Re: [AFMUG] 217-222MHz observation...

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Great suggestion !  What uses 220 mhz now ?

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From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] 217-222MHz observation...
Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2017 9:04 PM

Cambium had a webinar on 220MHz showcasing their new licensed SCADA line of 
radios (220, 400, 700 and 900MHz) for utilities, ITS, rail, etc. applications.  
Noticed some electric companies are starting to use 220 MHz for metersmight 
help some of you guys to research this and present to your utilities which are 
trashing your 900MHz.  Just an idea. 

[AFMUG] 217-222MHz observation...

[Jaime Solorza]

Cambium had a webinar on 220MHz showcasing their new licensed SCADA line of
radios (220, 400, 700 and 900MHz) for utilities, ITS, rail, etc.
applications.  Noticed some electric companies are starting to use 220 MHz
for metersmight help some of you guys to research this and present to
your utilities which are trashing your 900MHz.  Just an idea.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Brett A Mansfield]

Oh no, admin password should be very strong. But I am just barely playing with 
this for the first time and I didn’t know they made it so you can change the 
requirements. I’m quite impressed with sonar so far. It looks like it will take 
a very long time to setup because of how many features there are. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Oh, for the customers.  That is a different kettle of pickles.  I agree, 
> customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion. 
> I thought you were talking about your admin password. 
>  
> From: Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
>  
> I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of 
> customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into 
> their account because the password requirements are too strict and they 
> forgot their password again. 
>  
> Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements?
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
>> 
>> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 
>> 12 character requirement. 
>> 
>> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when 
>> I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new 
>> stuff. 
>> 
>> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed 
>> the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, for the customers.  That is a different kettle of pickles.  I agree, 
customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion.  
I thought you were talking about your admin password.  

From: Brett A Mansfield 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of 
customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into 
their account because the password requirements are too strict and they forgot 
their password again.  

Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements?


Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield

On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


  Absolutely not.




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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

  Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 
12 character requirement. 

  When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when 
I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new stuff. 

  I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed 
the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.

  Thank you,
  Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Brett A Mansfield]

I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of 
customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into 
their account because the password requirements are too strict and they forgot 
their password again. 

Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Absolutely not.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
> 
> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 
> 12 character requirement. 
> 
> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when 
> I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new 
> stuff. 
> 
> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed 
> the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Brett A Mansfield]

So, I found a page that is perfect for this. I can change the password 
requirements. Glad to see they didn’t make me use long passwords. The 
80-somethings will thank you for this. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
> 
> I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of 
> customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get into 
> their account because the password requirements are too strict and they 
> forgot their password again. 
> 
> Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements?
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
>> 
>> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 
>> 12 character requirement. 
>> 
>> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when 
>> I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new 
>> stuff. 
>> 
>> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed 
>> the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Chuck McCown]

Actually that sounds kinda short for the environment we are in.
And I don't use passwords except for trivial things.
Important things are pass phrases.  They are much easier to remember and 
orders of magnitude more secure.


-Original Message- 
From: Brett A Mansfield

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 
12 character requirement.


When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when 
I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new 
stuff.


I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed 
the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield 

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Bill Prince]

Problem is, it's in the cloud. So you might be jeopardizing more than 
just your stuff.



bp


On 10/25/2017 5:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:

Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 12 
character requirement.

When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when I’m 
paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new stuff.

I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed the 
password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Mike Hammett]

Absolutely not. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict? 

Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 12 
character requirement. 

When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when I’m 
paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new stuff. 

I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed the 
password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel. 

Thank you, 
Brett A Mansfield 

[AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

[Brett A Mansfield]

Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too strict? 12 
character requirement. 

When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want when I’m 
paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples new stuff. 

I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even passed the 
password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to cancel.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[chuck]

Yeah, I call ‘em coyote snacks, much to the consternation of my wife.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:52 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

We have them out in our back field often.  They apparently took down a full 
grown white-tail deer this summer just across my property line.  My neighbor 
said that there were at least 10 of them out there making racket around his 
house a few nights in a row.  The deer was laying near his driveway and they 
had nothing left but a ribcage after 3 days.

 

We haven’t ever actually seen them from our house though.  They seem to eat all 
the kittens that the neighbor’s mostly wild cats produce though.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

 

I have never successfully hit a coyote. Shot at a few but they always see 
me long before I see them it seems.
Used to be a $50 bounty on them in Oregon when I was a kid, so I had an 
incentive.

Growing up in a very rural area that was serenated by what sounded like 
dozens of coyotes many nights (they say a few can sound like a whole bunch) 
I never heard of a single incident of a coyote harming a human. I am sure 
they would snack on a kid that out alone but I never heard of it happening.

So I smile when I hear people being afraid of coyotes.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Coyotes will also lay an ambush where a group runs prey into waiting
pack.. That happened to a customer's pit bull...

On 10/25/2017 01:18 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
> work as a group. Several will chase the deer for a while,
> then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
> The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
> it down. Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
> cut they just wait it out.
>
> About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
> is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...
> 






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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[James Howard]

We have them out in our back field often.  They apparently took down a full 
grown white-tail deer this summer just across my property line.  My neighbor 
said that there were at least 10 of them out there making racket around his 
house a few nights in a row.  The deer was laying near his driveway and they 
had nothing left but a ribcage after 3 days.

We haven't ever actually seen them from our house though.  They seem to eat all 
the kittens that the neighbor's mostly wild cats produce though.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

I have never successfully hit a coyote. Shot at a few but they always see
me long before I see them it seems.
Used to be a $50 bounty on them in Oregon when I was a kid, so I had an
incentive.

Growing up in a very rural area that was serenated by what sounded like
dozens of coyotes many nights (they say a few can sound like a whole bunch)
I never heard of a single incident of a coyote harming a human. I am sure
they would snack on a kid that out alone but I never heard of it happening.

So I smile when I hear people being afraid of coyotes.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Coyotes will also lay an ambush where a group runs prey into waiting
pack.. That happened to a customer's pit bull...

On 10/25/2017 01:18 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
> work as a group. Several will chase the deer for a while,
> then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
> The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
> it down. Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
> cut they just wait it out.
>
> About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
> is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...
>


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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Bill Prince]

There was an incident a few years ago not far from here where a child 
was "stalked" by a coyote. I don't think the child was harmed, but it 
was a close call. They later determined the coyote had worms or 
something, and was starving.


We hear them all the time outside our house. Sometimes from multiple 
directions.


bp


On 10/25/2017 2:31 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I have never successfully hit a coyote.  Shot at a few but they always 
see me long before I see them it seems.
Used to be a $50 bounty on them in Oregon when I was a kid, so I had 
an incentive.


Growing up in a very rural area that was serenated by what sounded 
like dozens of coyotes many nights (they say a few can sound like a 
whole bunch) I never heard of a single incident of a coyote harming a 
human.  I am sure they would snack on a kid that out alone but  I 
never heard of it happening.


So I smile when I hear people being afraid of coyotes.

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[chuck]

I have never successfully hit a coyote.  Shot at a few but they always see 
me long before I see them it seems.
Used to be a $50 bounty on them in Oregon when I was a kid, so I had an 
incentive.


Growing up in a very rural area that was serenated by what sounded like 
dozens of coyotes many nights (they say a few can sound like a whole bunch) 
I never heard of a single incident of a coyote harming a human.  I am sure 
they would snack on a kid that out alone but  I never heard of it happening.


So I smile when I hear people being afraid of coyotes.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Coyotes will also lay an ambush where a group runs prey into waiting
pack..   That happened to a customer's pit bull...

On 10/25/2017 01:18 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
work as a group.  Several will chase the deer for a while,
then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
it down.  Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
cut they just wait it out.

  About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Robert Andrews]

Coyotes will also lay an ambush where a group runs prey into waiting 
pack..   That happened to a customer's pit bull...


On 10/25/2017 01:18 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
work as a group.  Several will chase the deer for a while,
then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
it down.  Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
cut they just wait it out.

  About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[James Howard]

If Wile E had just had a team he might have actually caught the Roadrunner.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
work as a group. Several will chase the deer for a while,
then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
it down. Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
cut they just wait it out.

About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Wed October 25 2017 15:08, Bill Prince wrote:
> I would think it would take more than 3 coyotes to nail a mule deer.
> Although mule deer aren't particularly bright; they often run "just over
> the next rise", then stop because they can't see the danger anymore.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/25/2017 12:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Speaking of hunting, I saw three coyotes chasing a good size mule deer
> > as I approached McKrittick canyon cutoff Monday about 7 am on my way
> > to Orla,Texas.  Deer was way ahead of them.   wonder if they caught it..


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Re: [AFMUG] microcell on a large scale.

[Jaime Solorza]

Off the Air boosters are what you need.   Cobham Wireless and others make
them.disclaimer:  (not really legal)  I installed a SureCall Fusion BDA
with antenna on 25 ft mast next to Ubiquiti radio and Hikvision camera on a
hill by water tank near Marfa,Texas.   Ran 100 ft. of Heliax cable to floor
mounted tripod secured by rocks with antenna pointed into valley where
ranch houses and offices are located at this hunting ranch.works in
most areas down there.   the trick is antenna separation.   you must have a
strong enough  signal to amplify for it to work.
I have six of these deployed for Tristate Electric and Sonic Ranch Studios.
http://cobhamwireless.com/product/cellular-off-air-repeaters/digi-mini-4/

at hunting ranch and construction sites
https://www.surecall.com/signal-booster/home-office/FUSION5X/

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915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> I have a project where we were asked to put in a large wifi hotspot and
> provide the 100meg backbone to carry it in the middle of nowhere USA.
>
>
>
> I went the meeting with an 80 foot tower construction bid and a plan for a
> football field size hotspot. They wanted to have wifi calling and work on
> their laptops inside the trucks parked near it.
>
>
>
> About 5 minutes into the meeting that changed to then wanting to have
> cellular coverage in a much larger area. Perhaps a square mile.  I know
> large sporting arenas do cellular boosting and so do warehouses and so on.
> Wondering if anyone has any experience or recommendations on manufactures
> to look at.
>
>
>
> Right now we would still do a tower construction to get bandwidth into the
> site and it could be used to provide the wifi hotpot still but they would
> like cellular to work without needing wifi calling.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any feedback you can provide.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Larry Smith]

Most likely take more than 3, but what coyotes do is
work as a group.  Several will chase the deer for a while,
then the other group catches up and the first group rests.
The deer gets no rest though and eventually they just wear
it down.  Once they can break a leg or get a good neck
cut they just wait it out.

 About the only thing I will waste a good deer hunt on
is a coyote, shoot them every chance I get...

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

On Wed October 25 2017 15:08, Bill Prince wrote:
> I would think it would take more than 3 coyotes to nail a mule deer.
> Although mule deer aren't particularly bright; they often run "just over
> the next rise", then stop because they can't see the danger anymore.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/25/2017 12:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Speaking of hunting, I saw three coyotes chasing a good size mule deer
> > as I approached McKrittick canyon cutoff Monday about 7 am on my way
> > to Orla,Texas.  Deer was way ahead of them.   wonder if they caught it..

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Bill Prince]

I would think it would take more than 3 coyotes to nail a mule deer. 
Although mule deer aren't particularly bright; they often run "just over 
the next rise", then stop because they can't see the danger anymore.



bp


On 10/25/2017 12:51 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of hunting, I saw three coyotes chasing a good size mule deer 
as I approached McKrittick canyon cutoff Monday about 7 am on my way 
to Orla,Texas.  Deer was way ahead of them.   wonder if they caught it..

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Jaime Solorza]

Speaking of hunting, I saw three coyotes chasing a good size mule deer as I
approached McKrittick canyon cutoff Monday about 7 am on my way to
Orla,Texas.  Deer was way ahead of them.   wonder if they caught it..

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 8:32 AM, James Howard  wrote:

> Getting close to hunting season here.  Are we talking “sign” such as
> animal excrement that a hunter would look for?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick -
> Lists
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:50 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future
>
>
>
> Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I
> wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> CTIconnect
>
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>
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Doesn’t look good
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David Milholen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future
>
>
>
> Seems we will be left in the cold!
>
> https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/
> ?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-
> EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_
> af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777
>
>
>
> Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?
>
> theres nothing to see under the hood LOL
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Mike Hammett]

The whole thing is a "movement", but at least it's going in the right 
direction. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:06:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future 



sounds like some movement - kind of like trying to move a planet with an 
underpowered tractor beam 
but, nevertheless, there is movement! 

hail wispa! hail wispa! hip hip hooray.hip hipok 




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To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future 


The insider view… 


Yesterday had a significantly better outcome than was expected due to a lot of 
work by WISPA. If you read the original proposed NPRM versus the released NPRM 
there are significant and substantial changes. Commissioner Clyburn only voted 
to release the NPRM because of the changes we were able to get. The original 
proposal had everything as PEA’s and 10 year terms. The PEA idea is still 
floated in the NPRM but it’s not the default now. The 10 year term is still the 
default but they at least ask questions about other options. 


Remember that this is only a NPRM, and this starts the comment and reply 
comment periods. The commission has to work through this process before the 
vote to actually enact the changes happens - which will probably be sometime in 
February. Now that the NPRM is out we can start applying political pressure in 
addition to working the FCC comment process. 


There is still a lot of work to do but we have a lot of allies in this fight, 
and it’s nowhere near over yet. 


Pay close attention, but no need to panic. Please hold off on proposing 
‘compromise’ positions on the NPRM for now - we want to see what level of 
support we have for the original rules from outside organizations. 


Mark 


Mark Radabaugh 
WISPA FCC Committee Chair 
fcc_ch...@wispa.org 
419-261-5996 




On Oct 25, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I read the proposed changesbut it was awhile ago. 


One thing I was never clear on was whether we could still use channels that 
aren't licensed or aren't deployed in our area. Under this proposed rule, if 
the SAS knows that nobody has used a channel in our area, then could we use it? 






-- Original Message -- 
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" < jeffl...@att.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/25/2017 8:49:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future 




Actually, yesterday was full of good signs. Still very early though. I wouldn’t 
get too high or too low right now. 


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect 

312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 






Doesn’t look good 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of David Milholen 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM 
To: Animal Farm < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future 

Seems we will be left in the cold! 
https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777
 

Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp? 
theres nothing to see under the hood LOL 


-- 
 

Re: [AFMUG] SIC code?

[SmarterBroadband]

Hmmm   I went for 517312.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 8:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] SIC code?

 

Hi,

 

What sic code we should be using?

 

Is it this?

NAICS Code 517919 - All Other Telecommunications

If not that what else?

 

Thanks,

Tushar

 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

sounds like some movement - kind of like trying to move a planet with an 
underpowered tractor beam
but, nevertheless, there is movement!

hail wispa!  hail wispa!  hip hip hooray.hip hipok


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future


  The insider view…


  Yesterday had a significantly better outcome than was expected due to a lot 
of work by WISPA.If you read the original proposed NPRM versus the released 
NPRM there are significant and substantial changes.   Commissioner Clyburn only 
voted to release the NPRM because of the changes we were able to get.  The 
original proposal had everything as PEA’s and 10 year terms.   The PEA idea is 
still floated in the NPRM but it’s not the default now.  The 10 year term is 
still the default but they at least ask questions about other options.


  Remember that this is only a NPRM, and this starts the comment and reply 
comment periods.  The commission has to work through this process before the 
vote to actually enact the changes happens - which will probably be sometime in 
February.  Now that the NPRM is out we can start applying political pressure in 
addition to working the FCC comment process.


  There is still a lot of work to do but we have a lot of allies in this fight, 
and it’s nowhere near over yet.


  Pay close attention, but no need to panic.   Please hold off on proposing 
‘compromise’ positions on the NPRM for now - we want to see what level of 
support we have for the original rules from outside organizations.


  Mark


  Mark Radabaugh
  WISPA FCC Committee Chair
  fcc_ch...@wispa.org
  419-261-5996


On Oct 25, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:


I read the proposed changesbut it was awhile ago.


One thing I was never clear on was whether we could still use channels that 
aren't licensed or aren't deployed in our area.  Under this proposed rule, if 
the SAS knows that nobody has used a channel in our area, then could we use it? 






-- Original Message --
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/25/2017 8:49:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future


  Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I 
wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.


  Jeff Broadwick
  CTIconnect

  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

  On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:


Doesn’t look good



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future



Seems we will be left in the cold!


https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777



Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL



-- 

[AFMUG] microcell on a large scale.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I have a project where we were asked to put in a large wifi hotspot and
provide the 100meg backbone to carry it in the middle of nowhere USA. 

 

I went the meeting with an 80 foot tower construction bid and a plan for a
football field size hotspot. They wanted to have wifi calling and work on
their laptops inside the trucks parked near it.

 

About 5 minutes into the meeting that changed to then wanting to have
cellular coverage in a much larger area. Perhaps a square mile.  I know
large sporting arenas do cellular boosting and so do warehouses and so on.
Wondering if anyone has any experience or recommendations on manufactures to
look at. 

 

Right now we would still do a tower construction to get bandwidth into the
site and it could be used to provide the wifi hotpot still but they would
like cellular to work without needing wifi calling.

 

Thanks for any feedback you can provide.

 

Brandon

 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Mark Radabaugh]

The insider view…

Yesterday had a significantly better outcome than was expected due to a lot of 
work by WISPA.If you read the original proposed NPRM versus the released 
NPRM there are significant and substantial changes.   Commissioner Clyburn only 
voted to release the NPRM because of the changes we were able to get.  The 
original proposal had everything as PEA’s and 10 year terms.   The PEA idea is 
still floated in the NPRM but it’s not the default now.  The 10 year term is 
still the default but they at least ask questions about other options.

Remember that this is only a NPRM, and this starts the comment and reply 
comment periods.  The commission has to work through this process before the 
vote to actually enact the changes happens - which will probably be sometime in 
February.  Now that the NPRM is out we can start applying political pressure in 
addition to working the FCC comment process.

There is still a lot of work to do but we have a lot of allies in this fight, 
and it’s nowhere near over yet.

Pay close attention, but no need to panic.   Please hold off on proposing 
‘compromise’ positions on the NPRM for now - we want to see what level of 
support we have for the original rules from outside organizations.

Mark

Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I read the proposed changesbut it was awhile ago.
> 
> One thing I was never clear on was whether we could still use channels that 
> aren't licensed or aren't deployed in our area.  Under this proposed rule, if 
> the SAS knows that nobody has used a channel in our area, then could we use 
> it? 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 10/25/2017 8:49:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future
> 
>> Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I 
>> wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Doesn’t look good
>>>   <>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of David Milholen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm >
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future
>>>  
>>> Seems we will be left in the cold!
>>> 
>>> https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?
>>> 
>>> theres nothing to see under the hood LOL
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Adam Moffett]

I read the proposed changesbut it was awhile ago.

One thing I was never clear on was whether we could still use channels 
that aren't licensed or aren't deployed in our area.  Under this 
proposed rule, if the SAS knows that nobody has used a channel in our 
area, then could we use it?




-- Original Message --
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/25/2017 8:49:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  
I wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.


Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:


Doesn’t look good



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future



Seems we will be left in the cold!

https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777



Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL



--

Re: [AFMUG] LPTV experience

[Chuck McCown]

I used to run a bunch of translators which are also licensed as LPTV.  My 
experience is solely technical.  I think I filed a license renewal once.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] LPTV experience

Anyone here have experience operating a Low Power TV station?  Either practical 
or legal experience?

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[James Howard]

Getting close to hunting season here.  Are we talking “sign” such as animal 
excrement that a hunter would look for?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I 
wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Doesn’t look good

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future


Seems we will be left in the cold!

https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777



Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL


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Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?

[Josh Luthman]

Streakwave does have them on order though.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 25, 2017 3:01 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> Your such a tease 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 5:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?
>
>
>
> Sorry, I missed the "pro" part.  It doesn't look like they have that one.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> I think Streakwave has some.
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Anybody know of stock on these, or are looking to sell some of your own
> you don’t use?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I 
wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> Doesn’t look good
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future
>  
> Seems we will be left in the cold!
> 
> https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777
> 
>  
> 
> Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?
> 
> theres nothing to see under the hood LOL
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Paul McCall]

Doesn’t look good

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future


Seems we will be left in the cold!

https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777



Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL


--
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[AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[David Milholen]

Seems we will be left in the cold!

https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777


Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?

theres nothing to see under the hood LOL


--

[AFMUG] LPTV experience

[Paul McCall]

Anyone here have experience operating a Low Power TV station?  Either practical 
or legal experience?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?

[Paul McCall]

Your such a tease 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 5:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik powerbox pro for sale ?

Sorry, I missed the "pro" part.  It doesn't look like they have that one.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Jason McKemie 
> 
wrote:
I think Streakwave has some.

[https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]

Virus-free. 
www.avast.com


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Anybody know of stock on these, or are looking to sell some of your own you 
don’t use?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie 
Highway
Vero Beach, FL 
32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com