Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Jon Lee]

It would make it even easier for me when people come over from Hughes Net.
Right now I just use their coax as a cable pull.

Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Like i said, it was a stupid idea.  I'm all on board the fiber train, but
> having had some rodent just eat through the fiber cable going to the top
> (on the tower side of the service loop), I was longing for something that I
> could just patch back together.
>
>
> On 3/29/2018 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to
> Ethernet cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up the
>> tower and not use anything conductive for data.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question
>>
>> Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
>> Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and
>> train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
>> units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data
>> just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the
>> power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
>> installation.
>> http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/
>> 22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0
>>
>> So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we
>> still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
>> installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using
>> coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate
>> a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
>> inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
>> cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
>> there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a
>> licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
>> UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to
>> deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower,
>> just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.
>>
>> Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
>> much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
>> 3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
>> Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for
>> at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
>> It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
>> products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the
>> tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters
>> and radios until you run out of power budget.
>>
>> It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.
>> Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
>> maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor
>> Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>
>


-- 
Jon Lee
Off-Grid Networks
c.928.793.2972

Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve

[Chuck Hogg]

You should use a nibbler...

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 11:12 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i took over the installers van while hes got broken bones, i have it
> pretty "organized"
> but the other day i had to do 7 ubnt with reflectors to epmp swaps, how
> does one organize that volume of dishes?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> No trick.  I just tuck them inside somewhere.
>>
>> I wish I had pics of my brother's Time Warner Cable van.  He was
>> impressively well organized.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/28/2018 10:44:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cable protector for Steve
>>
>> i have a pipe on the top of the van that holds 10 foot sticks so some PVC
>> conduit would work. On that note, any trick on keeping 8 or 6 foot sticks
>> as you cut them down in the pipe on top of the van without the other pipes
>> pushing them up?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I tripped over these pics when looking for the fiber demarc pic.
>>>
>>> Steve had asked last week about protecting cable from dogs. I do this
>>> for weed trimmers, but a longer piece ought to limit canine access as well.
>>>
>>> I cut the slot in the conduit so I can slip it over an already installed
>>> cable.  I did that one on the bumper with an angle grinder, but a table saw
>>> might be safer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[Chuck McCown]

So far, these guys have the best prices I have found.
https://ribbonfactory.com/store/category/34/1.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlc6up4CT2gIVx1t-Ch2tPwtEEAAYASAAEgKc1vD_BwE

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

I could use about 50,000 feet over the next year or so.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape


How much do you need?  We picked up a ton of it at auction awhile back.  
Shipping might be a bear though. 


On Mar 29, 2018, at 3:52 PM,   wrote:


  So, 5.5 cents per foot.  
  I will start comparing.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:51 PM
  To: Motorola III 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

  Should be able to get 2500# mule tape for about $55/1000 feet. I've seen it 
like that on amazon, but I bet you could beat that price on ebay.


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:

Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high.  

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Keefe John]

I wonder if that adds to the cost.

On March 29, 2018 3:55:34 PM CDT, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:
>I heard rumor that the next revision of Netonix switches will be
>standard 2.5 on all ports.
>
>Thank you,
>Brett A Mansfield
>
>> On Mar 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen 
>wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was
>going fiber above 1Gb/s
>> 
>> 
>> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen
>any switches in the wild yet.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] DSLAM choices for mdu

[Eric Kuhnke]

https://www.iol.unh.edu/testing/broadband/gfast

https://www.broadband-forum.org/implementation/interop-certification/gfast-certified-products

Robert at ISPtech is highly knowledgeable on the subject. His products are
based on the Sckipio chipset. He can explain in better detail the
difference in capabilities between DPU (distribution point units, formerly
known as DSLAM) based on the Sckipio chipset versus Broadcom chipsets. Some
of the larger manufacturers like Calix, Huawei, Nokia and others have
products based on both.



On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> you should be looking at G.Fast !
>
> http://isptech.net/
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:39:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DSLAM choices for mdu
>
> Netsys NV-2400H
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:26 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> My usual vendor Versatek has discontinued their 8 port VDSL DSLAM. I am
>> looking for something similar. Not opposed to 24 port as well.
>> What are you guys using out there?
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Still hear that pronounced two different wayseveryone here says it one 
way...yet the radio station over there says it another.

We are 20 minutes away...

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Cameron Crum" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Serverplus
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2018 2:37 PM

Oneonta, AL always got me.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:31 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
Chicago -- Chee-kaw-guh, which is apparently not too far off from the native 
pronunciation and means stinky land or something like that.



On 3/29/2018 1:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:


Shenando... not Shenando-ah, Pennsylvania



On 3/29/18 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation they'll 
correct you.

Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a German 
composer.







-- Original Message --

From: ch...@wbmfg.com

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus




How about Hurricane, Utah.



Her-a-kin



-Original Message- From: Layne Sisk

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus



I have 2 of them from Utah.



Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab

Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a



Layne Sisk

ServerPlus

801.426.8283, ext 102













-Original Message-

From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus



It's a real town in Alabama by the way.



Jay Weekley wrote:


Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?



CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Arab

Mobile

just to name a few...



   - Original Message -

   *From:* Josh Luthman 

   *To:* af@afmug.com 

   *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM

   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus



   Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of

   the woods (probably western third of the state)...



   It's Russia, not Russia.

   It's Piqua, not Piqua.

   It's Houston, not Houston.

   It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.





   Josh Luthman

   Office: 937-552-2340

   Direct: 937-552-2343

   1100 Wayne St

   Suite 1337

   Troy, OH 45373



   On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller

   mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>

wrote:



   I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not

   know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick

   me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not

   here...



   - Original Message -

   *From:* Lewis Bergman 

   *To:* af@afmug.com 

   *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM

   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus



   I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words

   you should run your open tech support.



   I don't think most people care. They are normally happy

   just to have someone speak English that they can

   understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can

   do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.



   On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds

   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ





   "IN-DE GO" :)



   On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes

   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:



   It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like

   a butchered version of the six fingered man.



   On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds

   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:




   That's how it's pronounced...



   Maybe a regional thing?



   On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"

   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:



   GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so

   hard.



   The company I used to work for was “Indigo

   Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.



   On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson

   mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:




   They are working well for us, and I have a

   horrible generic support DT, lol!



   I have had zero complaints from my customers

   so far this year, so I think they are doing

   well.



   The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear

   our company name pronounced five different

   ways, even though the DT instructs the

   proper pronunciation.



   

Re: [AFMUG] DSLAM choices for mdu

[Faisal Imtiaz]

you should be looking at G.Fast ! 

http://isptech.net/ 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:39:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSLAM choices for mdu

> Netsys NV-2400H

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:26 PM Sam Lambie < samtaos...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> My usual vendor Versatek has discontinued their 8 port VDSL DSLAM. I am 
>> looking
>> for something similar. Not opposed to 24 port as well.
>> What are you guys using out there?

>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Nate Burke]

Like i said, it was a stupid idea.  I'm all on board the fiber train, 
but having had some rodent just eat through the fiber cable going to the 
top (on the tower side of the service loop), I was longing for something 
that I could just patch back together.



On 3/29/2018 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to 
Ethernet cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.


Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:


If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power
up the tower and not use anything conductive for data.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
*To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel,
and
train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power
and data
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing
the
power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
installation.

http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0

So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why
are we
still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective,
using
coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to
terminate
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips. Cheap cheap
cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios. 
Obviously a
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine. Instead of
having to
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a
tower,
just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.

Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing. Docsis
version
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP
Clusters for
at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for
the
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding
splitters
and radios until you run out of power budget.

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure
why.
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So
vendor
Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Eric Kuhnke]

Just so noone is confused it was called NBaseT while it was still a
"pre-standard" and for marketing purposes...  Proper name is 802.3bz

http://www.nbaset.org/nbase-t-alliance-celebrates-approval-2-55g-ethernet-standard/


On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:14 PM, Harold Bledsoe 
wrote:

> There's some netgear and others too.  Nbase-T will be more prolific this
> year.
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like mikrotik claims to have copper sfp+ which negotiates to 2.5 as
>> well as 5 and 10.   S+RJ10.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
 I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
 fiber above 1Gb/s

>>>
>>>
>>> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
>>> switches in the wild yet.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] metal roof mount

[Rory Conaway]

We do too.  Home Depot sells them in various sizes with threads already built 
in.

rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] metal roof mount

I've always just used angle adapter clamps (the ones that screw in from both 
sides) and then bolted channel or a sled) to them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 29, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.perfect-10.tv/WebStore/ProductDetail.aspx?ID=8201

Has anybody used these? do they fasten pretty well?

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Mathew Howard]

Mikrotik does have one, but I don't think they're actually shipping yet.
There's also at least one other brand of sfp+ module.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 4:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Looks like mikrotik claims to have copper sfp+ which negotiates to 2.5 as
> well as 5 and 10.   S+RJ10.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
>>> fiber above 1Gb/s
>>>
>>
>>
>> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
>> switches in the wild yet.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Harold Bledsoe]

There's some netgear and others too.  Nbase-T will be more prolific this
year.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Looks like mikrotik claims to have copper sfp+ which negotiates to 2.5 as
> well as 5 and 10.   S+RJ10.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
>>> fiber above 1Gb/s
>>>
>>
>>
>> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
>> switches in the wild yet.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Looks like mikrotik claims to have copper sfp+ which negotiates to 2.5 as
well as 5 and 10.   S+RJ10.



On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
>> fiber above 1Gb/s
>>
>
>
> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
> switches in the wild yet.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] metal roof mount

[Carl Peterson]

I've always just used angle adapter clamps (the ones that screw in from both 
sides) and then bolted channel or a sled) to them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 4:57 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> https://www.perfect-10.tv/WebStore/ProductDetail.aspx?ID=8201
> 
> Has anybody used these? do they fasten pretty well?

[AFMUG] metal roof mount

[Steve Jones]

https://www.perfect-10.tv/WebStore/ProductDetail.aspx?ID=8201

Has anybody used these? do they fasten pretty well?

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Brett A Mansfield]

I heard rumor that the next revision of Netonix switches will be standard 2.5 
on all ports.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
>> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going fiber 
>> above 1Gb/s
> 
> 
> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any 
> switches in the wild yet.

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Eric Kuhnke]

Cisco has been shipping NBaseT switches that do it for a while now. Some of
their (very expensive) 802.11ac APs support it.

The proper standardized term now is 802.3bz which will autonegotiate for 5,
2.5 or 1 Gbps depending on the quality of the copper.



On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
>> fiber above 1Gb/s
>>
>
>
> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
> switches in the wild yet.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[chuck]

I could use about 50,000 feet over the next year or so.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape


How much do you need?  We picked up a ton of it at auction awhile back.  
Shipping might be a bear though. 


On Mar 29, 2018, at 3:52 PM,   wrote:


  So, 5.5 cents per foot.  
  I will start comparing.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:51 PM
  To: Motorola III 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

  Should be able to get 2500# mule tape for about $55/1000 feet. I've seen it 
like that on amazon, but I bet you could beat that price on ebay.


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:

Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[Steve Jones]

ebay - for all your stolen goods needs


On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> How much do you need?  We picked up a ton of it at auction awhile back.
> Shipping might be a bear though.
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
>
> So, 5.5 cents per foot.
> I will start comparing.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:51 PM
> *To:* Motorola III
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape
>
> Should be able to get 2500# mule tape for about $55/1000 feet. I've seen
> it like that on amazon, but I bet you could beat that price on ebay.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high.
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going 
fiber above 1Gb/s



2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any 
switches in the wild yet.

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Steve Jones]

With the things customers do with our ethernet, splicing with twist nuts,
plugging usb and telephone cords into router ports, etc, i would absolutly
not want sometging they could screw into their cable splitter and take out
their cable and probably our gear.
That being said, the alvarion fhss stuff was rg58 tnc and it was fast
installation

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 2:41 PM Dave  wrote:

> with Medusa and newer radio heads coming that need the high availability
> and capacity WHY NOT :)
>
> Already doing this on our towers but I am standing on my soap box about
> something new from cambium
> that has me with high hopes to integrate it into a nema enclosure just for
> this purpose.
>
>
>
> On 03/29/2018 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up the
> tower and not use anything conductive for data.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question
>
> Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
> Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and
> train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
> units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data
> just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the
> power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
> installation.
>
> http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0
>
> So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we
> still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
> installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using
> coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate
> a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
> inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
> cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
> there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a
> licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
> UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to
> deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower,
> just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.
>
> Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
> much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
> 3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
> Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for
> at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
> It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
> products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the
> tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters
> and radios until you run out of power budget.
>
> It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.
> Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
> maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor
> Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.
>
> Nate
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Josh Baird]

I wish it wasn't a thing..

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
> fiber above 1Gb/s
>
> This is a definite  maybe?
>
> Are there switches out there with this in the wild for testing?
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting
>> more popular on ac\ad chipsets?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Adam Moffett]

It's relatively new.  You can do 2.5G at 100m on Cat5e.  Get more life 
out of existing cables.



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 3/29/2018 4:22:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going 
fiber above 1Gb/s


This is a definite  maybe?

Are there switches out there with this in the wild for testing?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's 
getting more popular on ac\ad chipsets?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 








--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 

  
  

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going fiber
above 1Gb/s

This is a definite  maybe?

Are there switches out there with this in the wild for testing?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting
> more popular on ac\ad chipsets?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[Carl Peterson]

How much do you need?  We picked up a ton of it at auction awhile back.  
Shipping might be a bear though. 


> On Mar 29, 2018, at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> 
> So, 5.5 cents per foot. 
> I will start comparing. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:51 PM
> To: Motorola III
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape
>  
> Should be able to get 2500# mule tape for about $55/1000 feet. I've seen it 
> like that on amazon, but I bet you could beat that price on ebay.
>  
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>  
>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:
>> Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high. 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[chuck]

So, 5.5 cents per foot.  
I will start comparing.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:51 PM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

Should be able to get 2500# mule tape for about $55/1000 feet. I've seen it 
like that on amazon, but I bet you could beat that price on ebay.


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:

  Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[Bill Prince]

Should be able to get 2500# mule tape for about $55/1000 feet. I've seen it
like that on amazon, but I bet you could beat that price on ebay.

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:34 PM,  wrote:

> Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high.
>

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Dave]

with Medusa and newer radio heads coming that need the high availability 
and capacity WHY NOT :)


Already doing this on our towers but I am standing on my soap box about 
something new from cambium
that has me with high hopes to integrate it into a nema enclosure just 
for this purpose.




On 03/29/2018 12:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up 
the tower and not use anything conductive for data.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and
train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the
power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
installation.
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0

So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we
still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using
coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower,
just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.

Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for
at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters
and radios until you run out of power budget.

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor
Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

Nate



--

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Cameron Crum]

Oneonta, AL always got me.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:31 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Chicago -- Chee-kaw-guh, which is apparently not too far off from the
> native pronunciation and means stinky land or something like that.
>
>
> On 3/29/2018 1:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
>> Shenando... not Shenando-ah, Pennsylvania
>>
>> On 3/29/18 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation
>>> they'll correct you.
>>> Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a
>>> German composer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>>
>>> How about Hurricane, Utah.

 Her-a-kin

 -Original Message- From: Layne Sisk
 Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

 I have 2 of them from Utah.

 Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
 Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

 Layne Sisk
 ServerPlus
 801.426.8283, ext 102






 -Original Message-
 From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

 It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

 Jay Weekley wrote:

> Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?
>
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>> Arab
>> Mobile
>> just to name a few...
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Josh Luthman 
>>*To:* af@afmug.com 
>>*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>
>>Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
>>the woods (probably western third of the state)...
>>
>>It's Russia, not Russia.
>>It's Piqua, not Piqua.
>>It's Houston, not Houston.
>>It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.
>>
>>
>>Josh Luthman
>>Office: 937-552-2340
>>Direct: 937-552-2343
>>1100 Wayne St
>>Suite 1337
>>Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
>>know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
>>me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
>>here...
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Lewis Bergman 
>>*To:* af@afmug.com 
>>*Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>
>>I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
>>you should run your open tech support.
>>
>>I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
>>just to have someone speak English that they can
>>understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
>>do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
>>mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ
>> 
>>
>>"IN-DE GO" :)
>>
>>On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
>>a butchered version of the six fingered man.
>>
>>On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>That's how it's pronounced...
>>>
>>>Maybe a regional thing?
>>>
>>>On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
>>>hard.
>>>
>>>The company I used to work for was “Indigo
>>>Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.
>>>
>>>On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>They are working well for us, and I have a
horrible generic support DT, lol!
>>

[AFMUG] OT Mule Tape

[chuck]

Who has the best prices for Mule Tape?  Platt Electric seems a bit high.  

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Chris Fabien]

Install a wall jack so worst they need is a replacement patch cable.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 1:22 PM  wrote:

> We have tried 844G and gigapoints but residential customers think that
> little yellow wire does not need any special treatment.  One moved out and
> returned our 844g by cutting the fiber because they were not sure how to
> disconnect it.
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
>
> Chuck, I do like the outside onts better, like the 711, we still use them
> for all businesses and any residential that orders phone, but just internet
> residential we just use the 801g gigapoint and 844e routers.  Installs are
> faster and cheaper with the 801g, just have to run the fiber patch cord in,
> then run ethernet to where the router is, ie desk…  711 takes more work
> with power cable, battery backup  I wish we could make that jumper cheaper,
> but I have not found a better way to do it.  I am all ears.  Anyone have a
> good source for UniCam SC APC ends that don’t cost $17 a piece?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
>
>
> Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about $15
>
> So no $45 jumper.
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
>
>
> I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut
> and mangled etc.
>
> I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is
> similar to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble.
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
>
>
> Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from
> outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers.
> Expensive.  $45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve
> more labor.
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>
>
>
> Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the
> building, then cat5 inside.
>
>
>
> Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the
> outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and
> probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the
> splice closure through the exterior wall.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Harold Bledsoe]

You might be surprised actually.  2.5G was designed to work over CAT5e
cabling and has similar performance requirements to 1G.  Give it a whirl!
:-)

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not tested. Prob not.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting
> more popular on ac\ad chipsets?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Mathew Howard]

I have no interest in running coax up towers, but I do think that using
coax on the CPE side of things could be pretty nice. Everything exists to
make it work, it would just be a matter of a manufacturer integrating it
all into a radio... but I imagine it would add too much to the cost to make
it worthwhile.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to
> Ethernet cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up the
>> tower and not use anything conductive for data.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question
>>
>> Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
>> Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and
>> train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
>> units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data
>> just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the
>> power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
>> installation.
>> http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/
>> 22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0
>>
>> So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we
>> still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
>> installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using
>> coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate
>> a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
>> inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
>> cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
>> there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a
>> licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
>> UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to
>> deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower,
>> just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.
>>
>> Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
>> much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
>> 3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
>> Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for
>> at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
>> It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
>> products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the
>> tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters
>> and radios until you run out of power budget.
>>
>> It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.
>> Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
>> maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor
>> Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Jaime Solorza]

For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to Ethernet
cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up the
> tower and not use anything conductive for data.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question
>
> Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
> Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and
> train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
> units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data
> just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the
> power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
> installation.
>
> http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0
>
> So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we
> still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
> installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using
> coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate
> a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
> inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap
> cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
> there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a
> licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
> UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to
> deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower,
> just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.
>
> Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
> much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
> 3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
> Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for
> at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
> It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
> products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the
> tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters
> and radios until you run out of power budget.
>
> It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.
> Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
> maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor
> Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.
>
> Nate
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[George Skorup]

Chicago -- Chee-kaw-guh, which is apparently not too far off from the 
native pronunciation and means stinky land or something like that.


On 3/29/2018 1:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Shenando... not Shenando-ah, Pennsylvania

On 3/29/18 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation 
they'll correct you.
Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a 
German composer.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus


How about Hurricane, Utah.

Her-a-kin

-Original Message- From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I have 2 of them from Utah.

Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

Jay Weekley wrote:

Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Arab
Mobile
just to name a few...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Josh Luthman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
   the woods (probably western third of the state)...

   It's Russia, not Russia.
   It's Piqua, not Piqua.
   It's Houston, not Houston.
   It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.


   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373

   On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
   mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

   I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
   know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
   me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
   here...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Lewis Bergman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
   you should run your open tech support.

   I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
   just to have someone speak English that they can
   understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
   do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.

   On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> 
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ


   "IN-DE GO" :)

   On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
   a butchered version of the six fingered man.

   On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


   That's how it's pronounced...

   Maybe a regional thing?

   On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
   hard.

   The company I used to work for was “Indigo
   Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.

   On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
   mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


   They are working well for us, and I have a
   horrible generic support DT, lol!

   I have had zero complaints from my customers
   so far this year, so I think they are doing
   well.

   The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear
   our company name pronounced five different
   ways, even though the DT instructs the
   proper pronunciation.

   But it’s a made-up name so my customer are
   always confused on pronunciation themselves.

   *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
   *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would add that Layne’s service is only as
   good as the deci

Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this

[Jaime Solorza]

These are stainless... everything we use inside is stainless steel.

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 12:25 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Not sure if guage is the samethese sticks come in 20 ft. sections.
> The calibration system is not high pressure so we don't need the heavier
> stuff.  The operators connect their tanks to these faucets and release gas
> into sensors to test and calibrate levels for alarms methane, H2S,
> etc.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 12:17 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Would you be able to use steel brake lines for cars? They have that no
>> kink stuff available.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:07 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this
>>
>>
>>
>> For this? Nope...these are used to calibrate and test sensors from
>> outside clarifier.  It's all Sagelok stainless still stuff...all kinds of
>> corrosive gases along with toxic ones as well
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:
>>
>> But you used the wrong size LOL
>>
>>
>> On 3/28/2018 8:45 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > Installed tubing for gas sensors...we have to custom cut and bend
>> > around existing pipes...
>> >
>> > Jaime Solorza
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this

[Tim Reichhart]

there brake line that is NiCopp Nickel Copper Brake Lines that is easy to bend 
by hand and it dont rust.  But the stuff is expensive for 50 ft roll your 
looking almost 100 dollars. Yes I do work at auto zone part time when we sell 
brake line I try to sell that stuff much as I can.
 

-Original Message-
From: "Brian Webster" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 03/29/18 02:17
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this


Would you be able to use steel brake lines for cars? They have that no kink 
stuff available.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:07 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this

 

For this? Nope...these are used to calibrate and test sensors from outside 
clarifier.  It's all Sagelok stainless still stuff...all kinds of corrosive 
gases along with toxic ones as well

Jaime Solorza


 


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:


But you used the wrong size LOL


On 3/28/2018 8:45 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Installed tubing for gas sensors...we have to custom cut and bend
> around existing pipes...
>
> Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this

[Brian Webster]

Would you be able to use steel brake lines for cars? They have that no kink 
stuff available.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:07 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Getting gooder at this

 

For this? Nope...these are used to calibrate and test sensors from outside 
clarifier.  It's all Sagelok stainless still stuff...all kinds of corrosive 
gases along with toxic ones as well

Jaime Solorza

 

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Mitch Koep  wrote:

But you used the wrong size LOL


On 3/28/2018 8:45 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Installed tubing for gas sensors...we have to custom cut and bend
> around existing pipes...
>
> Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Matt Hoppes]

Shenando... not Shenando-ah, Pennsylvania

On 3/29/18 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation 
they'll correct you.
Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a 
German composer.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus


How about Hurricane, Utah.

Her-a-kin

-Original Message- From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I have 2 of them from Utah.

Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

Jay Weekley wrote:

Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Arab
Mobile
just to name a few...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Josh Luthman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
   the woods (probably western third of the state)...

   It's Russia, not Russia.
   It's Piqua, not Piqua.
   It's Houston, not Houston.
   It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.


   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373

   On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
   mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

   I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
   know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
   me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
   here...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Lewis Bergman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
   you should run your open tech support.

   I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
   just to have someone speak English that they can
   understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
   do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.

   On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ


   "IN-DE GO" :)

   On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
   a butchered version of the six fingered man.

   On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


   That's how it's pronounced...

   Maybe a regional thing?

   On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
   hard.

   The company I used to work for was “Indigo
   Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.

   On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
   mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


   They are working well for us, and I have a
   horrible generic support DT, lol!

   I have had zero complaints from my customers
   so far this year, so I think they are doing
   well.

   The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear
   our company name pronounced five different
   ways, even though the DT instructs the
   proper pronunciation.

   But it’s a made-up name so my customer are
   always confused on pronunciation themselves.

   *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
   *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would add that Layne’s service is only as
   good as the decision tree that you provide
   to him.  The more detailed DT, the better
   the service will be.

   *From:*Layne Sisk

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Adam Moffett]

Dubois Pennsylvania = Dew-Boys.  If you use the French pronunciation 
they'll correct you.
Beethoven Street in Binghamton, NY = Beet`-uh-ven.  Apparently not a 
German composer.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 1:56:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus


How about Hurricane, Utah.

Her-a-kin

-Original Message- From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I have 2 of them from Utah.

Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

Jay Weekley wrote:

Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Arab
Mobile
just to name a few...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Josh Luthman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
   the woods (probably western third of the state)...

   It's Russia, not Russia.
   It's Piqua, not Piqua.
   It's Houston, not Houston.
   It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.


   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373

   On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
   mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

   I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
   know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
   me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
   here...

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Lewis Bergman 
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
   you should run your open tech support.

   I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
   just to have someone speak English that they can
   understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
   do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.

   On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> 
wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ


   "IN-DE GO" :)

   On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
   a butchered version of the six fingered man.

   On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
   mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


   That's how it's pronounced...

   Maybe a regional thing?

   On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
   mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

   GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
   hard.

   The company I used to work for was “Indigo
   Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.

   On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
   mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


   They are working well for us, and I have a
   horrible generic support DT, lol!

   I have had zero complaints from my customers
   so far this year, so I think they are doing
   well.

   The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear
   our company name pronounced five different
   ways, even though the DT instructs the
   proper pronunciation.

   But it’s a made-up name so my customer are
   always confused on pronunciation themselves.

   *From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
   *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
   *To:* af@afmug.com 
   *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

   I would add that Layne’s service is only as
   good as the decision tree that you provide
   to him.  The more detailed DT, the better
   the service will be.

   *From:*Layne Sisk

   *Sent:*Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM

 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[chuck]

How about Hurricane, Utah.

Her-a-kin

-Original Message- 
From: Layne Sisk

Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I have 2 of them from Utah.

Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102






-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

Jay Weekley wrote:

Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

Arab
Mobile
just to name a few...

- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
the woods (probably western third of the state)...

It's Russia, not Russia.
It's Piqua, not Piqua.
It's Houston, not Houston.
It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:

I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
here...

- Original Message -
*From:* Lewis Bergman 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
you should run your open tech support.

I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
just to have someone speak English that they can
understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ


"IN-DE GO" :)

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
a butchered version of the six fingered man.

On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


That's how it's pronounced...

Maybe a regional thing?

On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
hard.

The company I used to work for was “Indigo
Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.

On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:


They are working well for us, and I have a
horrible generic support DT, lol!

I have had zero complaints from my customers
so far this year, so I think they are doing
well.

The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear
our company name pronounced five different
ways, even though the DT instructs the
proper pronunciation.

But it’s a made-up name so my customer are
always confused on pronunciation themselves.

*From:* Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would add that Layne’s service is only as
good as the decision tree that you provide
to him.  The more detailed DT, the better
the service will be.

*From:*Layne Sisk

*Sent:*Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

I would like to share some solid stats with
the 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Layne Sisk]

I have 2 of them from Utah.

Juab-  in Utah it is Jew-ab
Tooele- in Utah it is To-ill-a

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102




   

-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

It's a real town in Alabama by the way.

Jay Weekley wrote:
> Anyone want to guess how you pronounce Ewtah?
>
> CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>> Arab
>> Mobile
>> just to name a few...
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:17 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>
>> Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of
>> the woods (probably western third of the state)...
>>
>> It's Russia, not Russia.
>> It's Piqua, not Piqua.
>> It's Houston, not Houston.
>> It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not
>> know how to pronounce our community names it would 100% tick
>> me off and clue me into knowing whomever I'm talking to is not
>> here...
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>
>> I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words
>> you should run your open tech support.
>>
>> I don't think most people care. They are normally happy
>> just to have someone speak English that they can
>> understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I doubt you can
>> do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds
>> mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ
>> 
>>
>> "IN-DE GO" :)
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like
>> a butchered version of the six fingered man.
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds
>> > > wrote:
>>
>>> That's how it's pronounced...
>>>
>>> Maybe a regional thing?
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes"
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so
>>> hard.
>>>
>>> The company I used to work for was “Indigo
>>> Wireless”. They always say In Dee Go.
>>>
>>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
 They are working well for us, and I have a
 horrible generic support DT, lol!

 I have had zero complaints from my customers
 so far this year, so I think they are doing
 well.

 The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear
 our company name pronounced five different
 ways, even though the DT instructs the
 proper pronunciation.

 But it’s a made-up name so my customer are
 always confused on pronunciation themselves.

 *From:* Af >>> > *On Behalf Of
 *ch...@wbmfg.com 
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

 I would add that Layne’s service is only as
 good as the decision tree that you provide
 to him.  The more detailed DT, the better
 the service will be.

 *From:*Layne Sisk

 *Sent:*Sa

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[fiberrun]

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> Anyone have a good source for UniCam SC APC ends that don’t cost $17 a piece?
 
FYI, Fiberstore sells field installable SC/APC connectors for three bucks a 
pop. You can probably get them in bulk for about a buck each. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Mike Hammett]

If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power up the tower 
and not use anything conductive for data. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question 

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the 
Chicago metro. Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and 
train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now. These 
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data 
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter. Drawing the 
power off the DC Coax plant. Here's a picture of a typical 
installation. 
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0
 

So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we 
still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers. It seems from a 
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using 
coax would be the far better choice. Anyone can be taught to terminate 
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes. No Colors to remember. Any couplers are 
inherently waterproof. No loose plugs or broken clips. Cheap cheap 
cheap outdoor cable. Shielded cables by default. It just seems that 
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios. Obviously a 
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or 
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine. Instead of having to 
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower, 
just run up a larger coax to a splitter. No outdoor enclosure needed. 

Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too 
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing. Docsis version 
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync, 
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb. More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for 
at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison 
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax 
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the 
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters 
and radios until you run out of power budget. 

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why. 
Obviously there is something I'm missing. Docsis is a standard, but 
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax? So vendor 
Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it. 

Nate 

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[chuck]

We have tried 844G and gigapoints but residential customers think that little 
yellow wire does not need any special treatment.  One moved out and returned 
our 844g by cutting the fiber because they were not sure how to disconnect it.  

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Chuck, I do like the outside onts better, like the 711, we still use them for 
all businesses and any residential that orders phone, but just internet 
residential we just use the 801g gigapoint and 844e routers.  Installs are 
faster and cheaper with the 801g, just have to run the fiber patch cord in, 
then run ethernet to where the router is, ie desk…  711 takes more work with 
power cable, battery backup  I wish we could make that jumper cheaper, but I 
have not found a better way to do it.  I am all ears.  Anyone have a good 
source for UniCam SC APC ends that don’t cost $17 a piece?

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

 

Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about $15

So no $45 jumper.  

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

 

I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut and 
mangled etc.  

I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is similar 
to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble.  

 

From: Craig Schmaderer 

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

 

Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from 
outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers. Expensive.  
$45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve more labor. 

 




From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber 

 

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the 
building, then cat5 inside. 

 

Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the outdoor 
splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and probably armored 
since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the splice closure through 
the exterior wall.

 

Thanks.

 

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, I do like the outside onts better, like the 711, we still use them for 
all businesses and any residential that orders phone, but just internet 
residential we just use the 801g gigapoint and 844e routers.  Installs are 
faster and cheaper with the 801g, just have to run the fiber patch cord in, 
then run ethernet to where the router is, ie desk…  711 takes more work with 
power cable, battery backup  I wish we could make that jumper cheaper, but I 
have not found a better way to do it.  I am all ears.  Anyone have a good 
source for UniCam SC APC ends that don’t cost $17 a piece?

From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about $15
So no $45 jumper.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut and 
mangled etc.
I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is similar 
to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble.

From: Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from 
outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers. Expensive.  
$45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve more labor.


From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jason 
McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the 
building, then cat5 inside.

Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the outdoor 
splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and probably armored 
since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the splice closure through 
the exterior wall.

Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Eaton ConnectUPS-BD Web/SNMP Card

[Matt Hoppes]

Nope. And that is why I’m moving towards Eaton. 

There units and support are top notch. I’ve never had a bad experience with 
their phone support. 

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:25, Jeff Evans  wrote:
> 
> Matt, Have you tried Eaton support?  I just put in a support request but 
> don't hold much hope for a real response.
> 
>> On 3/29/2018 11:39 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> *following*
>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:16, Jeff Evans  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any one know of any tricks to reset the password on these cards?   I've 
>>> followed along in the manual but nothing seems to work,  I can access it 
>>> via serial and http but can't otherwise reset the credentials.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Eaton ConnectUPS-BD Web/SNMP Card

[Jeff Evans]

Matt, Have you tried Eaton support?  I just put in a support request but 
don't hold much hope for a real response.


On 3/29/2018 11:39 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

*following*


On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:16, Jeff Evans  wrote:

Any one know of any tricks to reset the password on these cards?   I've 
followed along in the manual but nothing seems to work,  I can access it via 
serial and http but can't otherwise reset the credentials.

Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

[Eric Muehleisen]

No. The guys wrap it with mastic and tape seal it. Heat shrink would look
much nicer however.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:37 AM,  wrote:

> RG6 is 75 ohm.  Not a huge VSWR problem, especially as it is a
> complimentary mismatch on each end.
> I don’t think I would have considered that.  Do you head shrink the RG6?
>
> *From:* Eric Muehleisen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 1:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>
> Our techs carry a spool of RG6 and have screw-on N-type connectors for
> doing LTE installs. I've run a few long GPS runs using RG59/6. The
> compression ends are much easier to crimp on than LMR IMO.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> I'd vote for N, but just because we have always used N connectors and
>> LMR-400 and have it in the warehouse.  Seems like overkill to pull LMR-400
>> for GPS and I'm sure there is an equivalent EZ connector and smaller cable
>> out there but I wouldn't want to tool and stock up for it to just put up
>> one GPS antenna.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every external 'commercial' GPS antenna that I've seen has a N connector
>>> on the bottom of it.   You can buy 'cheap chinese outdoor' GPS antennas
>>> with a long lead and a SMA connector on the end as wellbut I'm not sure
>>> I'd trust those.
>>>
>>> On the equipment end, there doesn't seem to be a standard.   I have gear
>>> with SMA, N, BNC and even F connectors for the GPS antenna.   The cambium
>>> CMM's (CMM4 and earlier) seem to use BNC's.   The LMG equipment uses N
>>> connectors.   One of my two GPSDO's uses a F connector, the other uses a
>>> SMA.   I have two symmetricam GPS distribution amplifiers which both have
>>> all N connectors.   I have a GPS re-radiator amplifier which uses SMA
>>> connectors.
>>>
>>> I think it's safe to expect the outside antenna to have a N connector on
>>> it, since you probably don't want the cheap chinese antennas since they
>>> seem to fail on a fairly regular basis (poor quality electronics inside
>>> them).   What you use on the inside probably can just be decided based on
>>> your mechanicals, not as per any standard.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 What does the CMM line of products use for an antenna?

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:59 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

 I have done N to SMA adapter on two jobs where antenna had N
 connectors.  But most of the GPS antennas install in vehicle for tracking
 or 4G LTE mobile NVRs have been SMA.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> But if you have to install an outdoor GPS antenna, are you OK with
> terminating an SMA on a cable for that?  Like RG58 or LMR195?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:49 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>
> SMA is what I use on GPS and even on GPS repeaters Installed in
> several manufacturing plants across border.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting?
>> What kind of RF connectors are prefered?
>>
>> I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that
>> someday).  It is rack mounted.
>> But we have to cable it to an outside antenna.  So, the installers
>> will most likely have to terminate the cable.
>> BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options.
>>
>> What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?
>>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707 <(410)%20637-3707>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Rory Conaway]

It would add more cost to a price sensitive product and require our techs to 
carry more equipment.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the Chicago 
metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and train station 
seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These units just hang on their 
aerial coax cable, and get their power and data just off a single RG-6 coax run 
off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a 
picture of a typical installation. 
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0

So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we still 
using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a installation, RF 
Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using coax would be the far 
better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  
No Colors to remember. Any couplers are inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs 
or broken clips.  Cheap cheap cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default. 
 It just seems that there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  
Obviously a licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 
or UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to 
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower, just run 
up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.

Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too much, or 
is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync, Docsis 
3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for at least a 
few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax products 
built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the tower base. Feed 
it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters and radios until you run 
out of power budget.

It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.  
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but maybe 
there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor Inter-op 
prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

Nate

[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

[Nate Burke]

Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the 
Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel, and 
train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These 
units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power and data 
just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing the 
power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical 
installation. 
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0


So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why are we 
still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a 
installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective, using 
coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to terminate 
a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are 
inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips.  Cheap cheap 
cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that 
there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios.  Obviously a 
licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or 
UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine.  Instead of having to 
deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a tower, 
just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.


Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too 
much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing.  Docsis version 
3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync, 
Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP Clusters for 
at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison  
It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax 
products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for the 
tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding splitters 
and radios until you run out of power budget.


It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure why.  
Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but 
maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So vendor 
Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] Eaton ConnectUPS-BD Web/SNMP Card

[Matt Hoppes]

*following*

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:16, Jeff Evans  wrote:
> 
> Any one know of any tricks to reset the password on these cards?   I've 
> followed along in the manual but nothing seems to work,  I can access it via 
> serial and http but can't otherwise reset the credentials.
> 
> Thanks
> 

[AFMUG] Eaton ConnectUPS-BD Web/SNMP Card

[Jeff Evans]

Any one know of any tricks to reset the password on these cards?   I've 
followed along in the manual but nothing seems to work,  I can access it 
via serial and http but can't otherwise reset the credentials.


Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

[Jaime Solorza]

Maybe he meant RG-8 or Belden 9913?

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 8:38 AM  wrote:

> RG6 is 75 ohm.  Not a huge VSWR problem, especially as it is a
> complimentary mismatch on each end.
> I don’t think I would have considered that.  Do you head shrink the RG6?
>
> *From:* Eric Muehleisen
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 1:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>
> Our techs carry a spool of RG6 and have screw-on N-type connectors for
> doing LTE installs. I've run a few long GPS runs using RG59/6. The
> compression ends are much easier to crimp on than LMR IMO.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> I'd vote for N, but just because we have always used N connectors and
>> LMR-400 and have it in the warehouse.  Seems like overkill to pull LMR-400
>> for GPS and I'm sure there is an equivalent EZ connector and smaller cable
>> out there but I wouldn't want to tool and stock up for it to just put up
>> one GPS antenna.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Every external 'commercial' GPS antenna that I've seen has a N connector
>>> on the bottom of it.   You can buy 'cheap chinese outdoor' GPS antennas
>>> with a long lead and a SMA connector on the end as wellbut I'm not sure
>>> I'd trust those.
>>>
>>> On the equipment end, there doesn't seem to be a standard.   I have gear
>>> with SMA, N, BNC and even F connectors for the GPS antenna.   The cambium
>>> CMM's (CMM4 and earlier) seem to use BNC's.   The LMG equipment uses N
>>> connectors.   One of my two GPSDO's uses a F connector, the other uses a
>>> SMA.   I have two symmetricam GPS distribution amplifiers which both have
>>> all N connectors.   I have a GPS re-radiator amplifier which uses SMA
>>> connectors.
>>>
>>> I think it's safe to expect the outside antenna to have a N connector on
>>> it, since you probably don't want the cheap chinese antennas since they
>>> seem to fail on a fairly regular basis (poor quality electronics inside
>>> them).   What you use on the inside probably can just be decided based on
>>> your mechanicals, not as per any standard.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 What does the CMM line of products use for an antenna?

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:59 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

 I have done N to SMA adapter on two jobs where antenna had N
 connectors.  But most of the GPS antennas install in vehicle for tracking
 or 4G LTE mobile NVRs have been SMA.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> But if you have to install an outdoor GPS antenna, are you OK with
> terminating an SMA on a cable for that?  Like RG58 or LMR195?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:49 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas
>
> SMA is what I use on GPS and even on GPS repeaters Installed in
> several manufacturing plants across border.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting?
>> What kind of RF connectors are prefered?
>>
>> I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that
>> someday).  It is rack mounted.
>> But we have to cable it to an outside antenna.  So, the installers
>> will most likely have to terminate the cable.
>> BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options.
>>
>> What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?
>>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> 
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707 <(410)%20637-3707>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

[chuck]

RG6 is 75 ohm.  Not a huge VSWR problem, especially as it is a complimentary 
mismatch on each end.  
I don’t think I would have considered that.  Do you head shrink the RG6?

From: Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

Our techs carry a spool of RG6 and have screw-on N-type connectors for doing 
LTE installs. I've run a few long GPS runs using RG59/6. The compression ends 
are much easier to crimp on than LMR IMO.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:10 PM, Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  I'd vote for N, but just because we have always used N connectors and LMR-400 
and have it in the warehouse.  Seems like overkill to pull LMR-400 for GPS and 
I'm sure there is an equivalent EZ connector and smaller cable out there but I 
wouldn't want to tool and stock up for it to just put up one GPS antenna.   

  On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

Every external 'commercial' GPS antenna that I've seen has a N connector on 
the bottom of it.   You can buy 'cheap chinese outdoor' GPS antennas with a 
long lead and a SMA connector on the end as wellbut I'm not sure I'd trust 
those. 

On the equipment end, there doesn't seem to be a standard.   I have gear 
with SMA, N, BNC and even F connectors for the GPS antenna.   The cambium CMM's 
(CMM4 and earlier) seem to use BNC's.   The LMG equipment uses N connectors.   
One of my two GPSDO's uses a F connector, the other uses a SMA.   I have two 
symmetricam GPS distribution amplifiers which both have all N connectors.   I 
have a GPS re-radiator amplifier which uses SMA connectors.  

I think it's safe to expect the outside antenna to have a N connector on 
it, since you probably don't want the cheap chinese antennas since they seem to 
fail on a fairly regular basis (poor quality electronics inside them).   What 
you use on the inside probably can just be decided based on your mechanicals, 
not as per any standard.   

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:32 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What does the CMM line of products use for an antenna?

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:59 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

  I have done N to SMA adapter on two jobs where antenna had N connectors.  
But most of the GPS antennas install in vehicle for tracking or 4G LTE mobile 
NVRs have been SMA.  


  Jaime Solorza

  On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:54 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

But if you have to install an outdoor GPS antenna, are you OK with 
terminating an SMA on a cable for that?  Like RG58 or LMR195?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 7:49 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

SMA is what I use on GPS and even on GPS repeaters Installed in several 
manufacturing plants across border.


Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 7:39 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting?
  What kind of RF connectors are prefered?

  I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that 
someday).  It is rack mounted.
  But we have to cable it to an outside antenna.  So, the installers 
will most likely have to terminate the cable.
  BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options.

  What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?




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Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Adam Moffett]

Corning would never give you a bad sandwich.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/29/2018 9:54:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber


I went to a unicam training session, they had good sandwiches

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 7:31 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
We have been using the FS armored jumpers.  Cheap and work well.  
Outer jacket is supposed to be UV resistant but we usually try to get 
that in the house from the enclosure rather than having it in the sun.


https://www.fs.com/products/41653.html

You can order them in any length you like.

Mark


On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:


This looks nice enough, I just would prefer to have my splice 
outdoors for testing/troubleshooting purposes.


Also, FWIW, I'm using the RB260GS units in outdoor boxes and have had 
very few failures.


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I think to terminate the drop cable you'd have to build up your 
250um or 900um with tubing, then use the connector for a 3mm 
jacketed cable.

.but maybe there's a better way that I don't know about.

What I've been doing is putting a cheap splice box inside the house 
and splicing the drop to a patch cord.  I'm open to better ideas.
I have wavered on putting an ONT outdoors.  I'd be limited to units 
that can survive the cold as opposed to a cheap switch or router.


<3dvu1y2h.png>

-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/28/2018 7:16:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Flat drop termination for $15?  That could be useful, any part 
numbers?


I'd probably just run it through the wall and mount the ONT to a 
floor joist when possible.


On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for 
about $15

So no $45 jumper.

From:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It 
gets cut and mangled etc.
I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if 
it is similar to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for 
trouble.


From:Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. 
Run from outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 
25 footers. Expensive.  $45. I have yet found a better solution 
that doesn’t involve more labor.



From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie 


Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side 
of the building, then cat5 inside.


Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from 
the outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV 
rated and probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run 
conduit from the splice closure through the exterior wall.


Thanks.

Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Steve Jones]

I went to a unicam training session, they had good sandwiches

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 7:31 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> We have been using the FS armored jumpers.  Cheap and work well.  Outer
> jacket is supposed to be UV resistant but we usually try to get that in the
> house from the enclosure rather than having it in the sun.
>
> https://www.fs.com/products/41653.html
>
> You can order them in any length you like.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> This looks nice enough, I just would prefer to have my splice outdoors for
> testing/troubleshooting purposes.
>
> Also, FWIW, I'm using the RB260GS units in outdoor boxes and have had very
> few failures.
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I think to terminate the drop cable you'd have to build up your 250um or
>> 900um with tubing, then use the connector for a 3mm jacketed cable.
>> .but maybe there's a better way that I don't know about.
>>
>> What I've been doing is putting a cheap splice box inside the house and
>> splicing the drop to a patch cord.  I'm open to better ideas.
>> I have wavered on putting an ONT outdoors.  I'd be limited to units that
>> can survive the cold as opposed to a cheap switch or router.
>>
>> <3dvu1y2h.png>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/28/2018 7:16:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>
>> Flat drop termination for $15?  That could be useful, any part numbers?
>>
>> I'd probably just run it through the wall and mount the ONT to a floor
>> joist when possible.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:14 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about
>>> $15
>>> So no $45 jumper.
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>>
>>> I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut
>>> and mangled etc.
>>> I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is
>>> similar to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble.
>>>
>>> *From:* Craig Schmaderer
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>>
>>> Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run
>>> from outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers.
>>> Expensive.  $45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve
>>> more labor.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>>
>>> Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of
>>> the building, then cat5 inside.
>>>
>>> Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the
>>> outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and
>>> probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the
>>> splice closure through the exterior wall.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Chuck McCown]

Not tested. Prob not.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting more 
> popular on ac\ad chipsets?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 

[AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

[Mike Hammett]

Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting more 
popular on ac\ad chipsets? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS?

[Mitch Koep]

Our APC 3000's are in water towers (5) ambient temp

-40 to -60 F and they have been up for 6 years.

We got them from UPS4less for about 600.00 each.

One I am replacing this month it has been in

our Water tower #1 since 2006 with no problems.

Mitch Koep


On 3/28/2018 10:24 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


We did as well. Love it they simply stop passing power though at all. 
So DEAD site.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS?

We’ve had upss  simply shut down below freezing which is totally not cool

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Mar 28, 2018, at 9:03 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


Yeah temperature compensation is an oft overlooked feature.

-- Original Message --

From: "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>>

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: 3/27/2018 7:13:57 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS?

How do they handle say 0 deg F?

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Mar 27, 2018, at 5:29 PM, SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:

OK first this UPS does NOT SNMP.

However that said the APC BG500 (APC Back-UPS Pro 500)
with Lithium Ion batteries is a nice little unit that
comes with built in ethernet.   It does have email
alerting which you could use to send Text alerts to your
phones.   We like them for micro sites.

Adam

*From:* Af [_mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com_] *On Behalf Of
*Justin Marshall
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:47 AM
*To:* _af@afmug.com_ 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheap consumer level SNMP capable UPS?

Hi,

Does anyone know of any cheap consumer level UPS’s that
can be monitored via SNMP over ethernet?

Something non-rack mountable and that doesn’t require
external batteries?

Everything I find wants to be monitored through USB with
proprietary programs like Powerchute, etc…

Thanks,

Justin

Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have been using the FS armored jumpers.  Cheap and work well.  Outer jacket 
is supposed to be UV resistant but we usually try to get that in the house from 
the enclosure rather than having it in the sun.

https://www.fs.com/products/41653.html

You can order them in any length you like.

Mark


> On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:28 AM, Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> 
> This looks nice enough, I just would prefer to have my splice outdoors for 
> testing/troubleshooting purposes. 
> 
> Also, FWIW, I'm using the RB260GS units in outdoor boxes and have had very 
> few failures.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> I think to terminate the drop cable you'd have to build up your 250um or 
> 900um with tubing, then use the connector for a 3mm jacketed cable.
> .but maybe there's a better way that I don't know about.
> 
> What I've been doing is putting a cheap splice box inside the house and 
> splicing the drop to a patch cord.  I'm open to better ideas.  
> I have wavered on putting an ONT outdoors.  I'd be limited to units that can 
> survive the cold as opposed to a cheap switch or router.
> 
> <3dvu1y2h.png>
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jason McKemie"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 3/28/2018 7:16:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
> 
>> Flat drop termination for $15?  That could be useful, any part numbers?
>> 
>> I'd probably just run it through the wall and mount the ONT to a floor joist 
>> when possible.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:14 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> Not only that, you can field terminate the drop with a unicam for about $15
>> So no $45 jumper. 
>>  
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 5:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>  
>> I just hate indoor ONTs.  People do not respect the fiber.  It gets cut and 
>> mangled etc. 
>> I guess if  you are nailing the ONT on the wall somewhere, but if it is 
>> similar to a modem on someone’s desk you are asking for trouble. 
>>  
>> From: Craig Schmaderer <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>  
>> Clearfield flexible fieldshield patch cables with removable end. Run from 
>> outside splice box to inside ont. Almost always use the 25 footers. 
>> Expensive.  $45. I have yet found a better solution that doesn’t involve 
>> more labor.
>>  
>> From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
>> Jason McKemie > >
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:10:56 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Indoor ONT fiber
>>  
>> Currently I just run a flat drop fiber to an enclosure on the side of the 
>> building, then cat5 inside.
>>  
>> Those of you doing indoor ONTs, what are you using for fiber from the 
>> outdoor splice closure to the ONT?  It would need to be UV rated and 
>> probably armored since I would prefer to not have to run conduit from the 
>> splice  closure through the exterior wall.
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
>> Jason
>> 
>