[AFMUG] OT: You think your hotel internet sucks?
Still in Accra, Ghana. I won't have full control over my own WAN connectivity until I'm in Sierra Leone. To my OpenVPN end point in Chicago: 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=328 ttl=44 time=35823.830 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=329 ttl=44 time=35670.255 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=330 ttl=44 time=36631.655 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=331 ttl=44 time=36991.921 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=332 ttl=44 time=38264.931 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=333 ttl=44 time=37747.913 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=334 ttl=44 time=37115.652 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=335 ttl=44 time=36670.680 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=336 ttl=44 time=35929.999 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=337 ttl=44 time=35625.236 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=338 ttl=44 time=34662.884 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=339 ttl=44 time=34074.305 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=340 ttl=44 time=33121.928 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=341 ttl=44 time=32353.936 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=345 ttl=44 time=28718.398 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=347 ttl=44 time=26997.230 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=354 ttl=44 time=20525.829 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=355 ttl=44 time=19915.944 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=356 ttl=44 time=19184.626 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=357 ttl=44 time=18757.754 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=364 ttl=44 time=7289.139 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=365 ttl=44 time=6797.058 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=366 ttl=44 time=6988.131 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=367 ttl=44 time=8027.773 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=368 ttl=44 time=9274.591 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=369 ttl=44 time=12193.188 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=370 ttl=44 time=15499.858 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=371 ttl=44 time=17101.477 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=372 ttl=44 time=17255.458 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=373 ttl=44 time=16704.022 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=374 ttl=44 time=16296.078 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=375 ttl=44 time=15979.370 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=376 ttl=44 time=15395.257 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=377 ttl=44 time=14846.662 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=378 ttl=44 time=14458.502 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=379 ttl=44 time=14213.088 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=380 ttl=44 time=15097.825 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=381 ttl=44 time=14506.442 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=382 ttl=44 time=14244.345 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=383 ttl=44 time=13698.292 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=384 ttl=44 time=12826.512 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=385 ttl=44 time=12255.279 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=386 ttl=44 time=11669.360 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=387 ttl=44 time=10953.765 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=388 ttl=44 time=10215.605 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=389 ttl=44 time=9903.748 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=390 ttl=44 time=9627.079 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=391 ttl=44 time=9441.339 ms 64 bytes from 192.210.233.55: icmp_seq=392 ttl=44 time=16774.935 ms
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
I really want to know how you can possibly screw up the http/https interface on a radio, to set basic parameters, in such a way that it consumes massive amounts of CPU on the client-side browser and only works with one browser... If even a super low budget company like TP-Link can make $22 802.11n SOHO routers that have acceptably usable http GUIs, why not Cambium? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I thought I was the only one. My field unit is old but I would assume it would work with an updated browser since every other radio does but ePMP was pretty much unusable. I finally reloaded my laptops OS and updates. Only Chrome will work with the ePMP interface. IE won't work at all and Mozilla give constant script errors. We have another tech that has the same issue with a newer laptop. Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
US CBP buys them for border surveillance, be prepared to spend $50k with a
contractor like L3 for something equal in capability to a 200mm DSLR.
On Dec 27, 2014 1:29 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Seriously?� That would require a serious zoom/telephoto lens to get
you any kind of decent resolution. I don't know anything off the top of my
head that would be useful at a half mile.
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On 12/26/2014 3:18 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
I�m thinking 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile would be fine.� Forget the IR
thing.� Not needed.� Good day time image is what people will want to
look at I think.
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*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af
*Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 5:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
�
What kind of distance are you talking about?� Critical issue if you
wanted IR, because there are serious limitations on how far you will get
decent video with IR (no greater than 100', and that might be a
stretch).� But the distance would dictate what kind of
magnification/lenses are required.
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On 12/26/2014 2:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven�t seen if
for a while.� A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his
commercial business park.� We might install and provide local bandwidth
for free if they buy the camera.� A little good will between us, them,
and the community. �So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how
much money are we talking to get something that doesn�t suck?
�
It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution.� Good low light would be
nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously.� I assume a small heater
is required to avoid condensation but I don�t know that.� Are these
available POE?
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PC
Blaze Broadband
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Re: [AFMUG] Gino - whose tower is this and what's on it?
Looks like a LEC tower by its size and likely age. On Dec 27, 2014 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/12/25/business/ dbpix-doral-1/dbpix-doral-1-blog480.jpg from article: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/unsolved-shooting- accentuates-problems-at-doral-one-of-puerto-ricos-biggest-lenders/?_r=0 Are those white things old cornucopias? ATT?
Re: [AFMUG] Gino - whose tower is this and what's on it?
PRTC? On Dec 27, 2014 9:24 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2014/12/25/business/ dbpix-doral-1/dbpix-doral-1-blog480.jpg from article: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/unsolved-shooting- accentuates-problems-at-doral-one-of-puerto-ricos-biggest-lenders/?_r=0 Are those white things old cornucopias? ATT?
Re: [AFMUG] Photos form Accra, Ghana
CPE end point, it is an airline office. But yes, there are a lot like this. You'd be surprised how cheap some things get with no OSHA and welder/steelworker salaries a tint fraction of the US. On Dec 26, 2014 7:20 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That perfectly good tower seems to only have one backhaul on it?!?! Time to fill it up Eric! Sean On Friday, December 26, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Attached JPGs
Re: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK
That's a pico cell, micro cells are what you might find carrier-operated in a shopping mall. On Dec 26, 2014 6:14 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just ran into a ATT microcell that would not work with the SM in NAT mode routers WAN was on a DMZ IP anyone else run into this? Thanks — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
Ntop is free. On Dec 26, 2014 6:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a low end unit that can do this? Any Idea what price range? Steve B -- *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what user is logged in and what theyre doing On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph. It won’t tell them what is using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff off to see what is causing the usage. Like oh, it went down when I shut off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet. Or look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the Internet? Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report Powercode does bits down to the minute. If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption. My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process for a limited period of time so details could be collected. A sort of debug mode. Steve B -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Aircams are not pan tilt zoom, he is searching for something more like an axis camera. $900+ On Dec 26, 2014 10:39 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What's wrong with using a Ubnt AirCam? http://inxwireless.com/rain/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven’t seen if for a while. A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his commercial business park. We might install and provide local bandwidth for free if they buy the camera. A little good will between us, them, and the community. So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much money are we talking to get something that doesn’t suck? It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution. Good low light would be nice but no IR illuminators needed, obviously. I assume a small heater is required to avoid condensation but I don’t know that. Are these available POE? PC Blaze Broadband
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik
Did you really just post a 5 megabyte, camera photo of a screen, rather than using a screenshot tool? On Dec 26, 2014 8:24 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Screen shot? On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ip-routes says everything is reachable On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default gateway. On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip gateway and DNS. When I go to new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get no route to host What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple
[AFMUG] West Africa Ebola response mission
Hello guys, Merry Christmas! I'm currently in Accra, Ghana working on getting a new visa for Sierra Leone. For the first quarter of this year I'm contracting with an international NGO which is providing WAN connectivity to other agencies responding to the Ebola crisis. We are using a mixture of satellite based and terrestrial PTP/PtMP technologies to accomplish the last mile access. Over the next few weeks you may see me posting photos from Freetown, Sierra Leone to the afmug list. If it becomes excessive please let me know. Communicating with you guys back in the US is a big stress relief for me. If anyone wants my direct contact info, please email and I will send back my iridium number and local SIM cards' numbers. REQUEST: If anyone knows a fearless EMT/Paramedic who wants to accompany a tower climbing team for multi month periods of time, in exchange for good financial compensation, please get in touch. No Ebola treatment unit entry required. To date, zero aid agency workers who do not have direct personal contact with Ebola patients have contracted the disease. Adventure and relatively low risk.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I refuse to use LinkedIn since the news that it randomly steals your entire iOS / Android contact list and auto spams everyone. Such BS. On Dec 25, 2014 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
WTF: World taekwondo Federation. On Dec 24, 2014 2:59 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Try working on it on the ground Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
Re: [AFMUG] FBI cyber careers
Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party??? On Dec 22, 2014 8:39 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Could be the career opportunity That One Guy Steve has been looking for. Make that Special Agent (Cyber) One Guy Steve. http://www.fbijobs.gov/cybercareers/ But see this article about FBI chief Comey wrestling with whether to hire pot smokers http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/12/fbi-campaigning-to-hire-skilled-technical-employees-over-the-next-month/ quoting: Earlier this year, the FBI chief lamented that the bureau was having a tough time hiring cyber security experts because of its no-marijuana policy. I have to hire a great work force to compete with those cyber criminals and some of those kids want to smoke weed on the way to the interview,” FBI Director James Comey told a New York City Bar Association meeting in May. Comey later backtracked from the comment, which many took as evidence of wanting to soften the policies. I am absolutely dead-set against using marijuana,” he clarified.
[AFMUG] Balting Networks selling AF5 for $850
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Yes, it's LTE.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Vince West via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I like the OnePlus One as well. Does this one have LTE? I wasn't sure
about that.
If you want too many choices to handle: ArsTechnica: The State of
Smartphones 2014
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/12/the-state-of-smartphones-in-2014-ars-technicas-ultimate-guide/
I have a Nexus 5 which, after the 5.0.1 update seems to have stopped it's
random reboot issues. Pure Android, none of the Samsung crap that I find
unnecessary.
I am also a fan of the Moto X and Moto G. For the price, they are amazing
phones. The LG G3 is also a beastly phone with little bloat that have a
nice sized screen.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
I have a OnePlus One. It's a 5.5 screen, weighs 160 grams. About the
same size as an iPhone 6+. It has an awesome battery life:
http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/08/oneplus-one-review/
No carrier crapware, no disabled features (tethering), unlocked, no
contract.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Not double. 3500 mah versus 3300 mah.
Screen is only slightly bigger (5 versus 4.7).
But I'm really happy with this phone. Don't anticipate switching until
it dies. It's a couple years old now, and it is stable, fast, and smooth.
I don't know about others claims of android crashing. Mine hasn't
crashed once in the two years that I've had it. It may have been an issue
with early versions of android, but I've only experienced jelly bean (+),
and it just keeps trucking.
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On 12/21/2014 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
Jump up to the Droid Maxx. Double the battery. Screen is a lot bigger,
though :/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 21, 2014 1:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
My Android fits in either front or back pocket. It's large with a ~~
5 (slightly less) screen. The kevlar back seems to make it very sturdy,
and I love the long battery life. DROID RAZR MAXX HD.
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On 12/21/2014 7:30 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
Mike,
The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at
wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in
a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone
in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
back pocket need some help.
On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
haha
This is the type I usually use.
http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
newer generation phones!
http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg
...or you could always go the holster route...
http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.
Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).
*shrugs*
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about
using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would
harass me mercilessly!
Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse
or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly
reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*From: *Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.
On Saturday, December 20, 2014
Re: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs
I wouldn't trust the really cheap ones but some of the middle of the road SSDs have surprisingly huge write endurance: http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What about arrays of lower cost consumer grade SSD's vs the more expensive enterprise drives or cards. The 'I' in RAID can stand for inexpensive. It can make sense to mirror two cheap drives on non-big data server applications. So the HD form factor for solid state storage is a good thing in this case. Two 60GB SATAIII drives for $45/ea is really cheap. $60 for 120GB. Wow. PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs So I've been impressed lately with the performance improvements to personal computers and I/O intensive servers like web and mail servers by replacing HDDs with SSDs. I'm convinced the emphasis on CPU and memory is often misplaced and the key is disk read/write performance. I think part of this is our use of computers has gone from computing oriented to data oriented. Big, big data. The one exception perhaps being games, but is that CPU intensive or GPU intensive? So I've noticed there are enterprise SSD cards that go in a PCI-E slot like Intel S3700, Huawei ES3000, Samsung SM1715. The performance numbers sound comparable to a very expensive RAID array of SAS drives. It does raise the question, why are we making SSDs look like HDDs including form factor and electrical interface, other than for the hot swap capability of SATA/SAS? Has anyone used these things? Are they automatically recognized by Windows and Linux as disk drives? Do you need to load special drives and jump through special hoops? Is there any point trying to do RAID with these, and can that even be done?
Re: [AFMUG] rooftop weight study?
1) Draw up an overhead plan view of all your gear you intend to put on the roof, using some basic CAD software, to scale. This can be done in Visio, even. Show the dimensions/footprints of each thing and annotate it with weight in kg. 2) Get a copy of the architectural/engineering plans to the building. 3) Provide both your plan and the building's structural plans to a professional engineer (wet stamp P.Eng), pay them to do a structural loading calculation for the roof beams, etc. On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Jon Langeler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We've been asked to provide a study of rooftop weight allowances in order to install a bunch of rooftop mounts. Has anyone else had to do this? Any info or good engineering firms to recommend? Jon Langeler j...@michwave.com
Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
In my experience MEF related products are very popular with oldschool PSTN operators and big cellular carrier, less so with ISPs that do 100% IP. You can sell an Ethernet tunnel over MPLS just as well. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is where the majority of large carriers are going: http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/carrier-ethernet-services If you are buying (or selling) services to any of the larger carriers you are likely seeing MEF standards in use - Ethernet Virtual Connections, NNI and UNI interfaces. There are a lot of really nice features in MEF that allow you to sell protocol independent Ethernet across your network or across multiple networks. Something like a point to point where Time Warner is one end and your customer is on the other end. Or a PMP type of arrangement where 2 customers are on Comcast, 3 are on ATT, and 4 are your wireless customers. To the customer it just appears as if the 9 sites are connected via an Ethernet switch and you don't care in the least what addressing or protocols they run. If you are selling to any of the cell carriers they expect MEF services and specifically Y.1731 performance monitoring. This allows you and your customers to prove that you are actually providing the bandwidth, latency, jitter, and uptime. MEF adds a great deal of monitoring and troubleshooting capability to the network. It allows you to monitor end to end and within your own network in order to identify both to you and your partners where a problem exists and who is responsible for it. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
NHK's 8K OTA test has a bitrate of something like 93 Mbps, that includes the FEC... http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/english/data/20140203.pdf On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
If 8K transmission will really need dual pol yagis on home rooftops for OTA, I predict a surge in 800 MHz dual pol yagi manufacturing On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They used Ultra-multilevel OFDM 2048QAM -AND- dual-polarized MIMO... damn. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:37:42 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K NHK's 8K OTA test has a bitrate of something like 93 Mbps, that includes the FEC... http://www.nhk.or.jp/strl/english/data/20140203.pdf On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. *From:* Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Some of the people who jumped the gun and bought 4K 30Hz displays are selling them now, they're pretty cheap... Not a bad choice if you want static chart monitoring and other things that don't move around a lot. Connect to a decent desktop PC with 2 x $175 video cards. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. *From:* Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via Af *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
If any person, as a physically fit adult male is afraid of the homeless people in Salt Lake City, I invite them to come with me on a night-time motor rickshaw ride and walk in Rawalpindi some time. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don’t think the Shiloh is more than 5 minutes away from the trolley system on Main Street or South Temple. If they are running at that hour. And most of the homeless folks are concentrated in a fairly small area that you would not be near. *From:* Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? TO the Shiloh, I meant. On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote: It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh. On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. *From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 !DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
Don't miss the Rahat Bakery: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Original-Rahat-Bakers-Est-1950/244212535591471 https://www.google.com/search?q=rahat+bakery+rawalpindinum=100source=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=0pyLVMSjF4XjoAT3pYGoDAved=0CAgQ_AUoAQbiw=1473bih=1004 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey, that sounds fun! -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Eric Kuhnke via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 5:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? If any person, as a physically fit adult male is afraid of the homeless people in Salt Lake City, I invite them to come with me on a night-time motor rickshaw ride and walk in Rawalpindi some time. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, chuck--- via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don’t think the Shiloh is more than 5 minutes away from the trolley system on Main Street or South Temple. If they are running at that hour. And most of the homeless folks are concentrated in a fairly small area that you would not be near. *From:* Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? TO the Shiloh, I meant. On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote: It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh. On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds? Is there still that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds? That seemed a bit shady. Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the Einsteins. Cops seems to like bagels at all hours. Probably because SLC doesn’t seem to have donuts. Mmmm, bagels. Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy. Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news. *From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot. Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly. But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you should be okay. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do shoot you, it won't cause any riots. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? other than the police shooting you, you should be good On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry about it. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 !DSPAM:2,548b42f9124793709378637!
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM *To:* Josh Luthman via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
The technology in a lot of the existing carrier grade FDD 60 GHz products is 7-8 years old. Newer chipsets will bring the cost down significantly. On Dec 11, 2014 6:40 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I wonder how the upcoming wigig chipsets will impact the 60 ghz ptp market Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:30 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Indeed it would. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:25:22 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. A 60 ghz solution using two 1000 mhz channels giving us 10 gbps full duplex throughput would be awesome. Keefe On 12/10/2014 11:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM *To:* Josh Luthman via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
In the Seattle/Vancouver area, five miles is nuts in 80 GHz, the most we do is about 4.0 to 5.0 km with +19 Tx power, 1000 MHz FDD channels, QPSK, and 60cm dishes. That's with a parallel 5 GHz path for OSPF failover. I could see five miles in maybe... Saudi Arabia? Timbuktu, Mali? Somewhere that would be categorized as ITU rain zone A. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If you can align a Bridgewave at 5 miles, you can align anything. That’s not even a science, it’s a combination of luck, careful breathing, the patience of Jobe, extensive use of Valium and alcohol, and throat lozenges for the hours of communication it will take. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke via Af *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough to align/ensure good performance. From a support perspective it would be very tough... On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know Ben as an official ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting setting up a PTP link. If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be easier to guarantee success. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some different options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on long links with AF5. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many other bands they could release equipment for. Maybe licensed? Hr... One can hope, right? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9
Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug
You want to google for barrel connector and the size, saying DC power plug won't match much. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Mike, I just wanted to let you know that I just heard back from my engineers on this. Apparently the information that we have on file is incorrect the correct measurement is actually 3.5mm x 1.35mm. I do apologize for the delay in response. Much Thanks, - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, November 16, 2014 9:37:29 AM *Subject: *DC Power Plug Does anyone know where I can find a standard 4.0 x 1.3mm 12 Volt power port, preferably with a pigtail? It's for the screen trigger output on an InFocus projector. That's what InFocus support said I needed to use and that it's available in any local electronics store. Well, it's not at Radio Shack. Google sure isn't being a lot of help either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] OT Scientists pick up strange signals that may point to dark matter’s existence | General News
SYN 50 years pass ACK On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: SPACE CONTROL TO EARTH http://www.betawired.com/scientists-pick-up-strange-signals-that-may-point-to-dark-matters-existence/1422255/ Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750
Why not use a low-wattage Core i3 Haswell? Much better selection of boards. $129 at Newegg. Has VT-x, etc. http://ark.intel.com/products/77486/Intel-Core-i3-4150-Processor-3M-Cache-3_50-GHz On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have been planning on standing up a couple of light duty Linux servers to upgrade our DNS and RADIUS and maybe even a CACTI upgrade later. Are these newer ATOM platforms and a couple of small SSD's up to these tasks? How does the D525 do? It appears the C2750 has been out for nearly a year but I'm are not finding too many products using them. Intel's chart makes it look like the C2550 (4 cores vs 8 cores) might be a more cost effective replacement to the D525. But there are even fewer C2550 motherboards out there and they are not significantly cheaper than the C2750 or even the D525. Are we just not looking in the right places or is this low-cost low-TDP server market just really small? PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I have several small Linux servers using Atom D525 processors for tasks like DNS and RADIUS, I even have one running Win7 that I use for PRTG and CNUT and RDP sessions. Put a couple 128 GB SSDs in them and with passive cooling and low TDP you have an almost indestructible little server. Going forward, I'm wondering if I should look at the newer C2750 version, it would seem to support more memory and storage, 4x as many cores, 2x as many threads, higher clock speed, more cache, supports ECC memory, but at a higher price and TDP, and the Ethernet NICs might not be as good as the 82574L chips on the motherboards I have been using. Also at that price point you could question the value compared to just using an i3 or E3 processor. And even if the D525 is an old design with limited cores, cache and memory addressing, it does the job, so the only reason to use the newer chips may be for future proofing. So has anyone done the analysis or actually deployed C2750 based servers?
Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750
If you really want redundancy for the lowest cost, and electrical consumption/heat is not a problem, buy a used HP or IBM 1U server off eBay with no drives. Add your own serial ata ssd raid-1 pair. Can't beat $450 for a system with ECC ram and dual hotswap power supplies. It won't be the fastest and latest CPU but it'll be more fault tolerant. On Dec 9, 2014 10:46 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Passmark is not everything. Most gamers for example care only about processor speed not cores or threads. Throwing dual socket 18 core Xeons at a game would accomplish nothing. On the other hand, something like BIND by default creates as many listener and worker threads as the processor can handle, and I suspect being able to handle many tasks in parallel in separate threads is important. So the 4-core 8-thread ATOM might perform better against the 2-core 4-thread i3 than Passmark would indicate. For a Windows server, the i3 would probably leave the ATOM in the dust. I think another question is whether you want a compact case with an external power supply, or a rackmount case with an internal power supply, depends on where it is going. Another consideration is common spare parts like fans and power supplies, since those are what typically fails. However a 200W power supply probably nullifies some of the low power consumption, although for me the main thing about low power consumption is passive cooling and reliability. Also do you care about features like ECC memory (probably hard to argue for unless you worry about solar flares) and IPMI (maybe more justifiable). -Original Message- From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 Yes, but Eric's i3 suggestion, in a Newegg combo kit is $222 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails. aspx?ItemList=Combo.171263 2) as an example. Add a $100 case and it is just a little more than half the price of this SM C2750. It doubles the TDP but for a CPU that scores 3.5 times better than the ATOM on the PassMark CPU score. This example is micro ATX but mini ITX boards are available. You have to really want low power to pay so much more for the ATOM. This might explain why the ATOM server market is so relaxed. PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 11:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I've been pretty happy with the D510/D525 even with the limited speed, cores, memory addressing and onboard cache. I like the low power consumption and passive heatsinks. What I'm looking at is Supermicro 5018A-TN4: http://gopcn.com/i-16556899-supermicro-1u-atom-5018a-tn4.html Not all that cheap, but it's a genuine server with ECC memory, IPMI, short depth rackmount, and with the 2.5 HDD bracket can easily hold two SSD's for a software RAID1 configuration. Set the fan at lowest speed and even if it fails it should not really be needed unless you have it in a hostile environment. Probably fine with 4MB RAM and 128GB storage, maybe more storage for RADIUS or CACTI. BIND does a good job of multithreading and will use however many cores you give it, not sure about RADIUS and CACTI. D525 has 2 cores and 4 threads, C2750 has 8 cores and 8 threads plus a somewhat higher clock speed, so I'm figuring 2- 3 times the performance? It's definitely more money though. -Original Message- From: Paul Conlin via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 We have been planning on standing up a couple of light duty Linux servers to upgrade our DNS and RADIUS and maybe even a CACTI upgrade later. Are these newer ATOM platforms and a couple of small SSD's up to these tasks? How does the D525 do? It appears the C2750 has been out for nearly a year but I'm are not finding too many products using them. Intel's chart makes it look like the C2550 (4 cores vs 8 cores) might be a more cost effective replacement to the D525. But there are even fewer C2550 motherboards out there and they are not significantly cheaper than the C2750 or even the D525. Are we just not looking in the right places or is this low-cost low-TDP server market just really small? PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 2:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750 I have several small Linux servers using Atom D525 processors for tasks like DNS and RADIUS, I even have one running Win7 that I use for PRTG and CNUT and RDP sessions. Put a couple 128 GB SSDs in them and with passive cooling and low TDP you have an almost indestructible little server. Going
Re: [AFMUG] Atom D525 vs C2750
The D525 is about four years old, at this point just about any atom will be significantly faster. If you look for the right motherboards (mini-ITX format) you'll find ones with Intel gigE chips onboard that are properly supported in any recent Linux kernel. On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have several small Linux servers using Atom D525 processors for tasks like DNS and RADIUS, I even have one running Win7 that I use for PRTG and CNUT and RDP sessions. Put a couple 128 GB SSDs in them and with passive cooling and low TDP you have an almost indestructible little server. Going forward, I'm wondering if I should look at the newer C2750 version, it would seem to support more memory and storage, 4x as many cores, 2x as many threads, higher clock speed, more cache, supports ECC memory, but at a higher price and TDP, and the Ethernet NICs might not be as good as the 82574L chips on the motherboards I have been using. Also at that price point you could question the value compared to just using an i3 or E3 processor. And even if the D525 is an old design with limited cores, cache and memory addressing, it does the job, so the only reason to use the newer chips may be for future proofing. So has anyone done the analysis or actually deployed C2750 based servers?
Re: [AFMUG] Showdown coming on Ethernet standard to serve faster Wi-Fi | PCWorld
Not a bad publicity stunt to temporarily set up a customer with a $1200 mikrotik router with SFP+ port, and a desktop PC with a 10GbE PCI-Express card... free advertising, eh. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That’s pretty cool. I’m ready to deliver 10Gbps SFP+ to the side of customer’s houses. But since it tranceives to copper, I was going to be limited. This would help, esp if a cheap transceiver is made between SFP+ and the new copper standard. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:08 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Showdown coming on Ethernet standard to serve faster Wi-Fi | PCWorld http://www.pcworld.com/article/2854692/showdown-coming-on-ethernet-standard-to-serve-faster-wifi.html Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] OT did you guys (and gals) see this?
https://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7259207/scientific-paper-scam
Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
Best Buy is advertising a Samsung 50 LED 1920x1080 TV at $199 each. I wouldn't mind getting six of those and wall mounting them, connecting them to a desktop PC showing all sorts of network monitoring stuff. Wall mounts for one-axis (tilt) from monoprice are relatively inexpensive, it's just a thick chunk of steel from China. I'm not going to stand in line for them, I don't care about it that much. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know a company that would actually go through the night before and up the price on everything (clothing store with tags on each item) and then have a huge discount sale for BF but the end result was the price was actually higher than before the sale. *From:* Matt Hardy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I worked retail in high school college, and every Black Friday, we'd put up some signs saying we were having deals, but everything was the same price. The lines from the cash registers would line up to the back of the store, people waiting in line to pay the same price they'd pay the week before or after. Never understood it ;) On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have another set of words for BF regarding those.. deals. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:00:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-) It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the BF deals. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It more that the big stores are technically in the red until that Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when they make all their profit for the year. Travis On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your business is bad and you should feel bad. And you won't see next year. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and negative numbers red. Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn black. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the black, at least thats what I was told. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”. Does anyone know what the actual history of the name is? I always thought it was a reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the black” financially for the year. Is it really a reference to the almost mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years? If so, that is racist. Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Black Friday... now that is just racist! From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I saw a comment somewhere last night... Early Black Friday sale, everything 100% off in Ferguson. From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Chuck McCown via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour A good looting is a perfect warm-up exercise for the holiday season. When we ran the Radio Shack, this was the time of the year for break ins and burglaries. One time they threw a large rock through the window and were in and out in 2 minutes. The next incident happened before we could even get the window fixed. Security cameras satisfied our curiosity as to what happened, but they never helped the cops catch anyone. From: That One Guy via Af
Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
You don't need much in the way of video cards or adapters... Get two relatively low-cost ($150) video cards that have dual DVI output, and HDMI output. First four monitors: Put these on the DVI ports ($4.50 each), run regular HDMI cables to the TVs' inputs: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bYF6jz3N1Y0/TX2NWF9j3uI/API/3f5ME0jBZVo/s200/HDMI%2Bconverter.jpg DVI and HDMI are electrically compatible, this is a passive pin adapter only. Last two monitors: Connect directly by HDMI cable. Easy. Assuming we don't care about DirectX/OpenGL 3D performance, any motherboard that can drive two PCI-Express x16 2.0 video cards will work, and two video cards such as these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125513 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Let me know when you find a video card to run them without a bunch of adapters cobbeled together. That's the part I'm hung up on now. Anyone know what the restaurants use to run those menu boards? On 11/25/2014 4:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Best Buy is advertising a Samsung 50 LED 1920x1080 TV at $199 each. I wouldn't mind getting six of those and wall mounting them, connecting them to a desktop PC showing all sorts of network monitoring stuff. Wall mounts for one-axis (tilt) from monoprice are relatively inexpensive, it's just a thick chunk of steel from China. I'm not going to stand in line for them, I don't care about it that much. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know a company that would actually go through the night before and up the price on everything (clothing store with tags on each item) and then have a huge discount sale for BF but the end result was the price was actually higher than before the sale. *From:* Matt Hardy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I worked retail in high school college, and every Black Friday, we'd put up some signs saying we were having deals, but everything was the same price. The lines from the cash registers would line up to the back of the store, people waiting in line to pay the same price they'd pay the week before or after. Never understood it ;) On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have another set of words for BF regarding those.. deals. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:00:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-) It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the BF deals. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It more that the big stores are technically in the red until that Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when they make all their profit for the year. Travis On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your business is bad and you should feel bad. And you won't see next year. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and negative numbers red. Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn black. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the black, at least thats what I was told. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”. Does anyone know what the actual history of the name is? I always thought it was a reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the black” financially for the year. Is it really a reference to the almost mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years? If so, that is racist. Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Black
Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/new-snowden-docs-gchqs-ties-to-telco-gave-spies-global-surveillance-reach/ all your submarine long haul DWDM system are belong to us On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com wrote: now going on topic #4 or 5? :) - Original Message - *From:* Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Let me know when you find a video card to run them without a bunch of adapters cobbeled together. That's the part I'm hung up on now. Anyone know what the restaurants use to run those menu boards? On 11/25/2014 4:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Best Buy is advertising a Samsung 50 LED 1920x1080 TV at $199 each. I wouldn't mind getting six of those and wall mounting them, connecting them to a desktop PC showing all sorts of network monitoring stuff. Wall mounts for one-axis (tilt) from monoprice are relatively inexpensive, it's just a thick chunk of steel from China. I'm not going to stand in line for them, I don't care about it that much. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know a company that would actually go through the night before and up the price on everything (clothing store with tags on each item) and then have a huge discount sale for BF but the end result was the price was actually higher than before the sale. *From:* Matt Hardy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I worked retail in high school college, and every Black Friday, we'd put up some signs saying we were having deals, but everything was the same price. The lines from the cash registers would line up to the back of the store, people waiting in line to pay the same price they'd pay the week before or after. Never understood it ;) On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have another set of words for BF regarding those.. deals. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:00:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-) It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the BF deals. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It more that the big stores are technically in the red until that Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when they make all their profit for the year. Travis On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your business is bad and you should feel bad. And you won't see next year. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and negative numbers red. Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn black. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the black, at least thats what I was told. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”. Does anyone know what the actual history of the name is? I always thought it was a reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the black” financially for the year. Is it really a reference to the almost mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years? If so, that is racist. Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Black Friday... now that is just racist! From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I saw a comment somewhere last night... Early Black Friday sale, everything 100% off
Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
http://reddit.com/r/talesfromretail On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I worked in retail from 1979 to 1988,,,made it up to Area Sales Manager at Joske's (high end Texas based chain) and we dreaded Black Friday so much it dampened Thanksgiving. NO ONE was off on Friday and like most of the Christmas Holiday season it brought out the best in shoppers.We went in early and got out lateno wonder we all drank heavily back then women's clothing and jewelry had the largest mark upseven with sales prices you still paid to muchelectronics had the lowest mark ups...only good note was the eye candy count was steady . Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Best Buy is advertising a Samsung 50 LED 1920x1080 TV at $199 each. I wouldn't mind getting six of those and wall mounting them, connecting them to a desktop PC showing all sorts of network monitoring stuff. Wall mounts for one-axis (tilt) from monoprice are relatively inexpensive, it's just a thick chunk of steel from China. I'm not going to stand in line for them, I don't care about it that much. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know a company that would actually go through the night before and up the price on everything (clothing store with tags on each item) and then have a huge discount sale for BF but the end result was the price was actually higher than before the sale. *From:* Matt Hardy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I worked retail in high school college, and every Black Friday, we'd put up some signs saying we were having deals, but everything was the same price. The lines from the cash registers would line up to the back of the store, people waiting in line to pay the same price they'd pay the week before or after. Never understood it ;) On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have another set of words for BF regarding those.. deals. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:00:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-) It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the BF deals. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It more that the big stores are technically in the red until that Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when they make all their profit for the year. Travis On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your business is bad and you should feel bad. And you won't see next year. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and negative numbers red. Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn black. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the black, at least thats what I was told. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”. Does anyone know what the actual history of the name is? I always thought it was a reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the black” financially for the year. Is it really a reference to the almost mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years? If so, that is racist. Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Black Friday... now that is just racist! From: Mathew Howard via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I saw a comment
Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour
synergy + raspbian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy_%28software%29 https://learn.adafruit.com/synergy-on-raspberry-pi/intro-what-is-synergy https://learn.adafruit.com/synergy-on-raspberry-pi/compiling-synergy-for-raspbian the only requirement is for all of the raspberry pi to be on the same layer 2 LAN subnet. I'm assuming you intend a setup with fullscreen firefox or chrome and a browser extension that automatically reloads tabs/cycles through tabs. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:53 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was planning to use a Raspberry-pi on each screen as they just need a web browser. However, I could not find a way to make remote access work to set them up and change web page etc. Still looking at it. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Let me know when you find a video card to run them without a bunch of adapters cobbeled together. That's the part I'm hung up on now. Anyone know what the restaurants use to run those menu boards? On 11/25/2014 4:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Best Buy is advertising a Samsung 50 LED 1920x1080 TV at $199 each. I wouldn't mind getting six of those and wall mounting them, connecting them to a desktop PC showing all sorts of network monitoring stuff. Wall mounts for one-axis (tilt) from monoprice are relatively inexpensive, it's just a thick chunk of steel from China. I'm not going to stand in line for them, I don't care about it that much. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I know a company that would actually go through the night before and up the price on everything (clothing store with tags on each item) and then have a huge discount sale for BF but the end result was the price was actually higher than before the sale. *From:* Matt Hardy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:43 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour I worked retail in high school college, and every Black Friday, we'd put up some signs saying we were having deals, but everything was the same price. The lines from the cash registers would line up to the back of the store, people waiting in line to pay the same price they'd pay the week before or after. Never understood it ;) On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have another set of words for BF regarding those.. deals. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Caleb Knauer via Af *af@afmug.com* *To: **af@afmug.com* *Sent: *Tuesday, November 25, 2014 1:00:56 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening here in an hour Man I guess I wasn't sticking my tongue into my cheek far enough ;-) It is kinda interesting the analysis and psychology that goes into the BF deals. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Travis Johnson via Af *af@afmug.com* wrote: It more that the big stores are technically in the red until that Friday... then from that Friday forward for the rest of the year is when they make all their profit for the year. Travis On 11/25/2014 11:15 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: If your books are in the red for every day other than that Friday, your business is bad and you should feel bad. And you won't see next year. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Josh Luthman via Af *af@afmug.com* wrote: Black because people doing the books make positive numbers black and negative numbers red. Black Friday is when the numbers on the books turn black. Josh Luthman Office: *937-552-2340* Direct: *937-552-2343* 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:44 PM, That One Guy via Af *af@afmug.com* wrote: thats supposedly the first day of the year a business will be in the black, at least thats what I was told. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:54 AM, James Howard via Af *af@afmug.com* wrote: It hasn’t been that many years since there were basically mobs at Walmart and other stores when they opened for “Black Friday”. Does anyone know what the actual history of the name is? I always thought it was a reference to the stores trying to increase sales enough to “get in the black” financially for the year. Is it really a reference to the almost mob atmosphere that has occurred over the years? If so, that is racist. Of course just because something is racist doesn’t mean it isn’t true. From: Af [mailto:*af-boun...@afmug.com*] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:40 AM To: *af@afmug.com* Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ot: may be some interesting listening
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
If your budget extends as far as an unrestricted-license version of the PTP650 in the 5.x GHz bands, you are in my opinion better served by going to a licensed part 101 type solution... The PTP650 is the same price or higher than some 11 GHz licensed band full-link products on the market today, when used with 3'/4' size antennas. Get something that will operate in a single polarity, 40 MHz or 60 MHz wide channel, 1024QAM with ACM+ATPC and you will have greater reliability and throughput vs. a PTP650. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: PTP 650 with Sync. On 11/24/2014 9:51 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Ptp 450 Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/ Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads
The existing 10GbE radios (Battelle, etc) aren't really complete products, they're dumb pipe things that translate laserto RF, don't do any FEC framing/deframing and are unaware of the BER of the data they're carrying. They don't speak layer 2 ethernet protocols like a typical 1 Gbps E-band radio. Such things are intended to be integrated into somebody else's 3rd party radio platform. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: *nods* a few months ago we discussed a few 70 - 110 GHz radios doing 10GigE. They were developed for military use and have been used as such, but lately have been converted into civilian use. One of then was like $147k per link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 10:51:41 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads http://pages.aoptix.com/rs/aoptixtechnologies/images/AOptix_Intellimax_MB2000_Datasheet.pdf http://thestack.com/aoptix-lasercomm-system-military-laser-radio-rollout-171114 80 GHz QPSK link + parallel FSO OOK laser? Claiming 10km five nines, I bet that's in ITU rain zone A (saudi arabian desert, etc). I wonder how it will stack up on real world performance in the Seattle area vs. a Bridgewave E-band link, 60cm dishes, +19 Tx power, QPSK modulation.
Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz
Let's avoid the practice of becoming dependent upon facebook for professional purposes... I'm not going to join a group. My facebook account is just about as privacy restricted as it's possible to be, and only exists for the purpose of communicating with technology-clueless family members who think Facebook = Front Page of the Internet. If we have the knowledge and technical capability to host our own photos on domain names and httpd fully under our control, why not do that? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Need to be logged in and wait for an admin to admit you to the group. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Link broke? Just takes me to a Facebook login screen. On 11/24/2014 11:05 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: http://on.fb.me/11Pp5lV - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz
Or if you're already logged in, just take the whole thing, screenshot it and upload the JPG to imgur. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At least when you rickroll someone, you provide a plausible reason why someone should follow the link. Wanting someone to log in with their credentials and then join a group, without a couple lines of what’s behind Door #1 - give me a break. Is this the modern equivalent of “open your mouth and close your eyes and you will get a big surprise”? Or “here take this pill, all the cool kids are doing it”? Even without the login requirement, I don’t follow obfuscated links without some explanation where the link will take me. If you’re going to post a link to the list, take a few seconds and describe what lies on the other side and why someone would want to click on the link, otherwise some will, but a lot will just delete and move on. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 12:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LOUD 5 Ghz It isn't Mike's content... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Let's avoid the practice of becoming dependent upon facebook for professional purposes... I'm not going to join a group. My facebook account is just about as privacy restricted as it's possible to be, and only exists for the purpose of communicating with technology-clueless family members who think Facebook = Front Page of the Internet. If we have the knowledge and technical capability to host our own photos on domain names and httpd fully under our control, why not do that? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Need to be logged in and wait for an admin to admit you to the group. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Link broke? Just takes me to a Facebook login screen. On 11/24/2014 11:05 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: http://on.fb.me/11Pp5lV - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
he's asking for a 12 mile link... if the goal is to maximize the clean, empty 5.x GHz spectrum for PtMP use by end user customers, an airfiber5 backhaul is ruled out. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not Zoidburg (airFiber)? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: i would go licensed gear from SAF (or your favorite licensed PTP vendor). we keep all the unlicensed bands available for PMP...we use licensed for PTP. the difference between a wifi backhaul and a licensed backhaul is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Ferrari F12berlinetta. they are both cars that drive on roads but that's about where the similarities end. same thing with backhauls. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
Any plans for a 3.5 or 3.65 GHz AirFiber, using a similar system to the AF5? With integrated antennas, it'd be pretty big, but I could see it being useful in some applications where an AF24 won't reach far enough (8-9km and 99.999% max modulation over one year). On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not Zoidburg (airFiber)? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: i would go licensed gear from SAF (or your favorite licensed PTP vendor). we keep all the unlicensed bands available for PMP...we use licensed for PTP. the difference between a wifi backhaul and a licensed backhaul is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Ferrari F12berlinetta. they are both cars that drive on roads but that's about where the similarities end. same thing with backhauls. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY (nominal, one way) 2 ms (PTP Mode), 6 ms (Flexible Frame Mode) , 17 ms (GPS Sync Mode)
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
I agree, I want an AF5 connectorized. From the perspective of ubnt engineering in Chicago, I bet a connectorized AF5 scares the hell out of them, because they're selling airfibers to enterprise/clueless customers that don't understand the technical properties of different types of PTP microwave dishes. If you could guarantee that a FDD, two dish AF5 setup was always installed with a pair of high quality, 70dB f/b ratio Jirous dishes or similar, it'd work great. When Bubba hooks up a connectorized AF5 to a random pair of noisy, low quality, unshielded PTP dishes, terrible things will happen. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Until they give me what I want (connectorized). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 3:32:48 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium he's asking for a 12 mile link... if the goal is to maximize the clean, empty 5.x GHz spectrum for PtMP use by end user customers, an airfiber5 backhaul is ruled out. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not Zoidburg (airFiber)? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: i would go licensed gear from SAF (or your favorite licensed PTP vendor). we keep all the unlicensed bands available for PMP...we use licensed for PTP. the difference between a wifi backhaul and a licensed backhaul is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Ferrari F12berlinetta. they are both cars that drive on roads but that's about where the similarities end. same thing with backhauls. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I need better consistency... at times the links do not perform as I expect and then I get customer complaints etc. I hate that. So, what would be the best solution that Cambium can recommend other than a ton of licensed links? Obviously, the gear I am using now is inexpensive. The PTP110 solution ... 2ms unsyncedcan it sync, now or tomorrow? Latency with sync? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force Hi, Please allow me to clarify. The Force 110 uses the Connectorized UnSync'd unit with the two 10/100 FE ports. The Force 110 PTP uses the Connectorized GPS Sync'd unit with the single GigE port that supports 802.3af PoE in addition to proprietary PoE. GPS capabilities will be disabled (but the radio can still use the on board GPS chip to track satellites and provide coordinates). The 2ms latency is achieved purely through software changes in Release 2.4 and will apply to both products. Reading this spec sheet. http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/files/PRODUCTS/ePMP/FORCE/Force%20110%20PTP_Oct2014.pdf LATENCY
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
If you were willing to hack apart an existing AF5, you could probably build waveguide from the hollow tubular center feed coming up from the PCB in the center of each of the two dishes, and run it to a waveguide-fed 5 GHz band dish... Such as a pair of 3' diameter Andrew/Commscope. Would probably require hacking of the end reflector of each integrated dish's feed and putting on a custom CNC machined, waveguide adapter. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a waveguide combiner\splitter? If they made both AFs connectorized, could you plumb them both into the same dish for the same path? Would obviously need a dish that accepted waveguide. No clue how the RF performance of a dish would be in both of those bands simultaneously. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 3:37:19 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium I agree, I want an AF5 connectorized. From the perspective of ubnt engineering in Chicago, I bet a connectorized AF5 scares the hell out of them, because they're selling airfibers to enterprise/clueless customers that don't understand the technical properties of different types of PTP microwave dishes. If you could guarantee that a FDD, two dish AF5 setup was always installed with a pair of high quality, 70dB f/b ratio Jirous dishes or similar, it'd work great. When Bubba hooks up a connectorized AF5 to a random pair of noisy, low quality, unshielded PTP dishes, terrible things will happen. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Until they give me what I want (connectorized). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, November 24, 2014 3:32:48 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium he's asking for a 12 mile link... if the goal is to maximize the clean, empty 5.x GHz spectrum for PtMP use by end user customers, an airfiber5 backhaul is ruled out. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Chuck Macenski via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why not Zoidburg (airFiber)? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: i would go licensed gear from SAF (or your favorite licensed PTP vendor). we keep all the unlicensed bands available for PMP...we use licensed for PTP. the difference between a wifi backhaul and a licensed backhaul is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Ferrari F12berlinetta. they are both cars that drive on roads but that's about where the similarities end. same thing with backhauls. 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium, Can you please make a suggestion as to what equipment that you recommend to us for this type of problem/solution? Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force For Cambium we have a very remote tower that feeds several other towers. Everything is OSPF but logically... Tower R (the main remote tower - a 190 ft. Rohn 25G with several anti-twist devices) is fed by... Tower A - 26 miles away - UBNT 3.65ghz Rocket M5 AND a Mikrotik RB912 5 Ghz This commercial tower (Tower A) has over 300Mbit of usable bandwidth and feeds about 75 to 85 Mbit to Tower A Tower B - 9 miles away - UBNT 5ghz Rocket M5 This tower (Tower B) is a 90 ft. Rohn 25G Tower R then feeds... Tower C - 12 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 50 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower D - 15 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower E - 17 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) Tower F - 14 miles away - Mikrotik RB912 - 5 GHz - 40 Mbit of usable bandwidth. (Rohn 25G 120 ft.) To get all this to work without Sync was quite a frequency juggling act. There are other towers in the area and towers C, D, E, F connect (chain) to each other on the back side and we use a couple 3.65Ghz UBNT radios on the backside links. The challenge... First of all, I need more BW to each tower, but mostly Tower C. And, I
Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads
Having recently been involved with a lot of 80 GHz based, rooftop-to-rooftop sites... I would not look forward to the rigging tag line arrangement needed to lift a 180 pound rectangular shaped thing up on a tower. It would be difficult enough to get onto the roof of many tall buildings where the roof is accessed by a relatively steep staircase. Nevermind the buildings that don't have stairs to their highest flat surface, and have a built in 12' to 14' steel ladder to reach the top. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you ask him how to mount a 180lb radio/laser on a tower? Or the 3ft wide by almost 3ft depth? Just seeing the demo units at trade shows makes me wonder :-) Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer via Af Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads Haha funny, had a call with them Friday and then afterwards made the same joke. Really cool sounding product with the auto alignment and live tracking features. Ain't cheap. Their sales guy was quite knowledgeable and also understanding of the product offering and market. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://pages.aoptix.com/rs/aoptixtechnologies/images/AOptix_Intellimax _MB2000_Datasheet.pdf http://thestack.com/aoptix-lasercomm-system-military-laser-radio-rollo ut-171114 80 GHz QPSK link + parallel FSO OOK laser? Claiming 10km five nines, I bet that's in ITU rain zone A (saudi arabian desert, etc). I wonder how it will stack up on real world performance in the Seattle area vs. a Bridgewave E-band link, 60cm dishes, +19 Tx power, QPSK modulation.
Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads
I also wonder why they didn't go for a full 60 cm reflector on the radio side of the unit, to increase the E-band link budget. Based on the diagrams in the PDF the actual parabolic reflector in the unit is somewhat smaller than a Radiowaves or MTI 60cm antenna tuned for 71-86GHz. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you ask him how to mount a 180lb radio/laser on a tower? Or the 3ft wide by almost 3ft depth? Just seeing the demo units at trade shows makes me wonder :-) Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer via Af Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radios with frickin' laser beams on their heads Haha funny, had a call with them Friday and then afterwards made the same joke. Really cool sounding product with the auto alignment and live tracking features. Ain't cheap. Their sales guy was quite knowledgeable and also understanding of the product offering and market. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://pages.aoptix.com/rs/aoptixtechnologies/images/AOptix_Intellimax _MB2000_Datasheet.pdf http://thestack.com/aoptix-lasercomm-system-military-laser-radio-rollo ut-171114 80 GHz QPSK link + parallel FSO OOK laser? Claiming 10km five nines, I bet that's in ITU rain zone A (saudi arabian desert, etc). I wonder how it will stack up on real world performance in the Seattle area vs. a Bridgewave E-band link, 60cm dishes, +19 Tx power, QPSK modulation.
Re: [AFMUG] For Cambium
Depends very much on how close to full utilization the links are (in Mbps). If you have a link drop to QPSK 1/2 during massive rain fades and only 40 Mbps of throughput, for a very short time, will that cause massive packet loss and customer problems? There's lots of good radios that can stay linked and maintain an OSPF router-to-router connection down to -83 or thereabouts but the data rates will truly suck.
Re: [AFMUG] Chuck: $/watt for solar panels
The shipping price for a pallet with five panels on it is pretty much the same as a cube-shaped pallet of 20 panels... Your $/watt goes up a lot on five panels when you consider a $250-300 shipping cost on top of the per unit cost. sunelec.com usually has good prices on 230 to 300W size panels. Less costly for off-grid applications, some with cosmetic grade B imperfections. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I kinda am/was. Mostly I just shop around online like everyone else. You normally have to take a truckload to get a good deal. I like to pay 60 cents per watt. 70 cents can be found frequently if you buy in quantity. You are looking for about 5 panels. You will probably have to pay 80 cents. -Original Message- From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Chuck: $/watt for solar panels Check, Aren't you a solar panel dealer now? Pricing out a 1200w panel system, not sure what would be considered a good price.
Re: [AFMUG] Network Monitoring in the 2010's
Emails from Cacti don't count - cacti is not an up/down monitoring system, it's a charting system... Any threshold alerting plugins that might be available are just a bonus. Use something like OpenNMS or Nagios. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What I really want is an integrated system that isn't stuck in the 90's. I want the customer to have an app on their phone that tells them when their network is having issues and why. I want it to also remind them to pay their bill and provide a lazy/easy way to do that. I want that same system to have an engineer app that tells us when nodes fail and why. So if a node goes down and it's important, it should show up on my phone and I can take action. One of those actions would be to message to outage impacted customers the ETA to fix etc. Emails from Cacti don't count.
Re: [AFMUG] Mark Cuban on Net Neutrality: The Government Will Fuck the Internet Up
considering that mark cuban's hero is Ayn Rand: https://www.google.ca/search?q=mark+cuban+ayn+randie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-achannel=sbgfe_rd=crei=NUhlVKGZJKibkgLHhoGgDA Juvenile philosophy. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/13/markcuban-on-net-neutrality-the-governme - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter
Provided it's an SFP port. Soldered onboard fiber ports are a bad idea, thankfully all of the clued-in part 101 radio manufacturers have moved to SFP. It literally costs only $16 per end for 1000BaseLX SFPs these days. LC-LC duplex UPC bulkhead couplers are cheap. Patch cables are cheap. If done carefully and superglued, crimp on type connectors have an acceptable loss when you are dealing with optics that can handle 10km and only using them at a 500m distance. The other nice thing about an SFP port is that it lets you temporarily connect a technician laptop direct to a radio's data payload port if necessary (1000BaseT SFP). On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:36 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I want to see UBNT Cambium both announce that they are going to add a fiber port to their higher end radios — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes, Fiber. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter And Fiber Sterling? -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley via Af Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter MDU deployment. Wired and wireless. Jason Petrillo via Af wrote: So that is what it takes to get your attention… As has been mentioned several times in the recent past we are working on the Animal Farm 9 agenda. We could really use some input from you the participants in this process. Currently I am counting on the usual suspect to show their wares in a similar fashion to what they have done in the past. Beyond that I would ask what would you like to learn more about? Panel discussions? How to meet girls? How to pick the perfect emoticon to best capture mood and intonation? I’m open to anything and would be happy to chase down industry experts to enlighten us all. Thoughts? If you would rather not respond to the group with your suggestions please feel free to contact me at ja...@cni.net mailto:ja...@cni.net or 360.442.4414. Thanks, Jason Petrillo Last Mile Gear
Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective 10Gb switch
If all you want is a great deal of layer-2-only, 24-port or 48-port SFP+ and a switch fabric, the Quanta switches which run Cumulus Linux (debian based) are a good option. There are about four different Taiwan-based manufacturers that build switches which run Cumulus. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Any recommendations for a cost effective 10Gb switch? We have a local Elementary/High school district wanting to upgrade all of their fiber links to 10Gb. The kicker I’ve found is this central location has 6 connections. I can find switches with 4 SFP+/XFP ports easily. It seems like you crack the magic ‘4’ number and the prices start jumping pretty quick. I’d like to avoid stacking switches if possible but cost may dictate doing so. So does anyone know of a switch with 6 SFP+/XFP ports that’s not going to make the administrator have a stroke on me? Thanks, Robert Haas
Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs
If you're on the west coast be careful about requesting safety meetings with construction crew, or you may get more than you bargained for. :-) On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Dan, We don’t have a project manager or foreman either. Yes, you are correct most guys SHOULD know the area. However, I quickly came to learn that most guys DON’T. For example, can most guys give the actual address to a tower or grain leg? I found out that NO they cannot. Hell, I am a WISP owner and can’t. Several years ago, I created a document that is transported in the service trucks. It contains the names of each tower, address, GPS data, equipment on tower, height and local hospital name, address and phone number. In the event of an accident, this data can be quickly referenced. We do have ‘safety meeting’ sheets that list person in charge, weather, safety concerns in area and on tower. We also have a signature sheet for each person on site to acknowledge the meeting took place and they are aware of document to reference in the event of an emergency. (I can admit this sheet is rarely used unless we bring a third party in to help…at which point I require it to protect myself) In terms of towers, again you are correct. Tower certification is a big PROBLEM in our industry. I had a sales representative from Crown tell me our industry lacked safety requirements and installation standards. I couldn’t really argue that point given what I have seen. *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs Tyson, Playing Devil’s advocate here. What do you discuss during the pre-climb safety meeting? It’s your network – and the average WISP network is regional (usually contained to one state). The guys you’re climbing with know where the closest hospitals are, what the capabilities of the local fire department is, what local fauna and flora to look out for, etc. etc. I guess its good prep to make sure that someone knows what the weather looks like today, and for the project manager (not that the average WISP seems to have a crew foreman on most climbs) to give out the tasks for the day. I never did one in my WISP days – because by the time we had rolled up to the site we all knew what to do to hit the ground running. On the cellular side, when you might visit a site once in your career at a company I see lots of value of the pre-climb meeting. Of course I didn’t get tower climbing certified until after I was done with my WISP days… which I hate to say is a problem for the industry in general. What you don’t know can certainly kill you in this line of work. In my integration days… was a whole different story. I’ve seen many integrators do them… but they are very uncommon in the WISP industry from my personal experience. I’d bet a group like Safety One could point you in the right direction to making an OSHA compliant plan for your WISP. Daniel White (303) 746-3590 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 6:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Written Safety Plan for WISPs For WISPs, you need to focus on the OSHA content related to construction. I require OHSA 10, at a minimum, for all employees now, including CPR CERT. Everyone in our industry should be doing a pre climb safety meeting as well but I have yet to see ANYONE do it. I'm not an expert here at all but that's what what I was taught from the cellular side. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We climb towers and are on roofs all day, which is why I asked. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 11/11/2014 02:15 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Yes, but for manufacturing, not the WISP. *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2014 2:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com ; WISPA General List
[AFMUG] Using cacti to chart Seattle traffic
Five screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/irFR2#0 These are fed by shell scripts/shell script data input method in Cacti. Using curl, awk, sed, grep.
Re: [AFMUG] Using cacti to chart Seattle traffic
I forgot to label the Y axis, it's minutes. data comes from here: http://www.wsdot.com/traffic/traveltimes/default.aspx?region=seattledirection=all On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 80% of a four hour window is exactly 27 mbps? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Five screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/irFR2#0 These are fed by shell scripts/shell script data input method in Cacti. Using curl, awk, sed, grep.
Re: [AFMUG] The One Time I like Trees
I think he's charting the radio's reported theoretical radio data rate, because the ubnt radios don't expose an OID for MCS1-MCS7 and MCS8-MCS15 On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: OMG!. Is the Blue the OutIF and the GREEN InIF ? That circuit looks FLAT LINED :) On 11/04/2014 10:00 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote: UBNT Modulation.� This is on a Near LOS Shot.� Can you tell when the leaves are on the trees and blocking out other interference?
Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
your samsung internet enabled fridge has been zero dayed and is now participating in a tor-controlled distributed dogecoin mining syndicate. On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd be happy to share in that job. My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot everything. Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in. Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug it back in. DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in. Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on. These are all true stories. The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless you reboot it regularly. When they are up, the things will all be participating in a botnet. finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is falling!?!? hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator! On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The apocalypse is coming! bp On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud. And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down? I can’t flush my toilet.” You think I’m joking? Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering with garage door openers? One of the suggested fixes is a garage door opener app on your smartphone. I assume that only works if your smarthouse has working Internet. Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the connection to the collective. I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless printer or using Chromecast to my TV. Yes, I know, Unifi should continue to operate without the controller once set up, but do some features stop working? Like handoff between APs? *From:* Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? Install a unifi server ? On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: UBNT UniFi...one SSID On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone make something with true roaming?
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
Because in an urban environment frequently the widest available clean channel you can find is a single 20 MHz of spectrum between two locations. All of the FDD-like features of the Mimosa radio are useless if one of the channels you want to use has a -82 noise floor. Very different use scenario for city vs. rural. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. - Original Message - *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance We’re starting the move to .ac with MT now. The 922UAGS-5HPacD has the same dimensions as the 911/411 Boards so we just replace boards. We get good results with Mars Antennas with housing for P2P. The SXT-Antennas are to weak for .ac. The 19db Mars Antennas give good CPE/short range PTP with a small footprint. We use these as Sector-Antennas where we have to cover small areas. The .ac firmware adaption is quite new but we see stable results in the 300-400 Mbit/s range for short links. The .ac boards have faster CPUs so they may increase 11n-Speeds/NAT Performance. The 922-Board has a SFP. Ethernetport has moved. Due to this the RFElements Stationbox XL do not fit. MT .ac does PTP and PTMP and is downward compatible to older boards with 11n/a. SXTs with .ac are not stable with the latest sw-release. So as always with MT you’ve to betatest HW/FW-combination to get it running smooth. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Rory Conaway via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 14:26 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Ya, I don’t’ think so. If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much know what works and what doesn’t. in reality, you use as few custom features as possible
Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
Relative to a Rocket M5AC PTP setup, or Mikrotik 802.11ac boards good quality dishes (Jirous 32dB high performance), it is more expensive. However, as a 256QAM radio when compared to a PTP600 or PTP650 connectorized, it's much less expensive. I guess the question cannot really be answered yet, since the people who are beta testing MIMOSA radios are still under NDA. When they're available to purchase we'll know how they perform in a fixed TDD channel vs. much less expensive competing radios. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I operate in suburban Chicago and touch at least 12 WISPs across my footprint. I've seen noise. One site has a -75 noise floor on my sectors (it actually even goes up to -50 once we go above 5850). I'd imagine doing anything other than their auto-everything will cripple your experience, especially the simultaneous DFS channels. Might as well get Mikrotik or Ubiquiti at that point. Might want to step up the dish size or quality. Check out Jirous dishes. They've given me some excellent SNR. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:01:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance Because in an urban environment frequently the widest available clean channel you can find is a single 20 MHz of spectrum between two locations. All of the FDD-like features of the Mimosa radio are useless if one of the channels you want to use has a -82 noise floor. Very different use scenario for city vs. rural. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why would you pull half of the spark plugs on a Ferrari? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:03:18 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I wonder how the performance of the Mimosa 256QAM product will compare in a 20 MHz wide, TDD channel when used with the same antennas, head-to-head against the Mikrotik board. In a scenario not using any of the special frequency auto selecting features of the Mimosa/Quantenna chipset. I have in mind a setup with a pair of the Jirous 32dB high performance type antennas with a metal enclosure on the rear. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The Sextant did not work for us at all. The QRT-5 has a quite good Antenna for it’s size. But you cant upgrade/repair them as they use special screws you cant open without damaging them. The Mars-Antennas have a metal housing so there is some shielding to the back. We don’t like the outdoor-pigtails/connectors as with the rocket / ePMP-Force / ePMP Sectors. Just one Ethernet leaving the housing to the bottom is the solution we see the least problems. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+ste=genias@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 24. September 2014 15:40 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I remember when they announced their new high gain CPE the Sextant... which was still smaller than the smallest CPE I used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Glen Waldrop via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:37:54 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance I can't get over the small gain MT uses. It also bugs me that the FCC seems to be all about massive amps and small antennas rather than the reverse. If it was actually about interference PTP shots with narrow beamwidth is preferred. I suppose it is too much to ask for those in our government that set the regulations to actually understand the tech they're regulating. I suppose it could be the manufacturers are going with big amps and small antennas, but it seems that would cost more. - Original Message - *From:* Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance The SXT antenna were always too weak. Give me 25 dBi or give me death. Well, okay, I don't feel that strongly. I just won't buy it if not. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Wireless headsets for office phone
the yealink SIP-T46G supports bluetooth headsets with a dongle. great SIP desk phone, it's just under $200. kind of expensive compared to a regular voip desk phone that suppots wired headsets, though (I just bought a SIP-T28P for $75). On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We've recently had requests for wireless headsets for office personnel to use on their desk phones so they don't have to pin a phone against their shoulder and type at the same time. Is anyone using something that they really like?
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
Baird should have the longer masts equivalent to the Rohn product in stock. I've experienced problems with actually getting Rohn FRM, JRM or BRM in a timely manner from the US distributors, who supposedly keep them in stock, while Baird sells directly. On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:26 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: so we ordered two BRM44510 Nobody had 10' masts in stock So we just ordered some 4 water pipe luckily my buddy told me these masts have fins and a plate welded to them, so we cancelled the pipe but we need to now find the masts again The Rohn PN is KY2065 according to the catalog, but the vendors we have checked with dont have them on hand anybody know of a non rapist vendor that would stock these? we are down to 53 days of a 60 day deadline On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What I'm saying is that with a little creativity, you can replicate many open frame non-penetrating type mounts with unistrut. Unistrut is like an adult's version of an erector set. bp On 10/30/2014 11:34 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I can put the pipe on the opposing side so the antenna sits above the ballast. Are you saying maybe build a unistrut arm to affix the stabilizer strut to on a tripod mount? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Not in my opinion. Having the mast in the center gives it the same stability from all win directions. If a big wind is coming from behind this might be more tippy. Besides, you only need to use one mast. You can also build almost anything you want out of unistrut. bp On 10/30/2014 11:10 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20%28Assembly%29.pdf Would this be a better solution than a single vertical so I have something to affix the strut to? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our wall mounting option for the 4' antenna is limited to the 25g we ran up the side, the antenna will actually be 75 feet up the wall from the first platform I dont think unless we installed a standing platform we would be able to adjust the antenna. I think Im calculating right, its going to take 500lbs ballast if I used a PRM4, but the lead time on those exceeds our timeline so Im looking at the sitepro tripods. We are kind of limited to the non penetrating solution because with that we dont have to have a mother may I in place A penetrating mount we will, and if a board member says structural analysis we are shut down on time. So we are limited to horizontal surface mounts We can get away with small concrete anchors, but we are talking 3/8 x 3 and I just dont see that that would be safe. Where would I look to find the penetrating mount anchoring requirements, I see ballast charts all over, but no anchoring specs. On another note, Ive never dealt with 4' antennas before, apparently this has a strut. How do I attach a strut if I only have the single vertical mast? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20%28Assembly%29.pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 %28410%29%20637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Better than 80 GHz On Oct 30, 2014 6:42 AM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Rain fade time Jaime Solorza On Oct 29, 2014 4:17 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just had a ISP Radio show on getting licensed 28 and 39 ghz point to multi point J That was today! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman? Cambridge VectaStar! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FTTA? I hate that crap, let's call it what it is - wireless, or more generically, high speed. Am I the only person who wants to smack this marketing department in the mouth? On Friday, October 24, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: the attached PDF is from summer 2011. 42 GHz 30 or 60 degree sector antenna. never found much traction in the market. the sectors in your photo look like they are hollow and feed directly onto a relatively narrow diameter waveguide. higher-res photo? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ehh... I can't find anything on their site that looks like that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 01:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
The Square POS application for iPad uses card-swipe and finger signatures. Seems good enough for VISA, Mastercard, the payment card industry as a whole. https://www.google.ca/search?q=square+ipad+registernum=100client=firefox-ahs=Xvzrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialchannel=sbsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=UoNRVKb4JMWwogSXoYKgBQved=0CAgQ_AUoAQbiw=1339bih=913 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/29/14, 10:41, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote: I�m going to second paperless. We just use google drive with a folder for open sales orders and a folder for completed sales orders. In the office, we just save new sales orders to the open folder. Tech opens them on an iPad mini, has the customer sign them, and saves them to completed. WAY easier then trying to track down paper and then file it. My signature on a screen with my finger looks nothing like my actual signature. Does anyone know how that difference holds up if challenged? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Colocation
don't mess around with the low end, the sort of customers who want $100/mo colocation for one server are more of a pain in the ass than they're worth. the hosting/colo business has very thin margins. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:16 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone made a successful try at offering colocation and would like to point out some details on Do's and don't's? Seems like a great way to build additional revenue off of completely unused upstream bandwidth ? Is it worth the hassle and DDoS?
Re: [AFMUG] you thought you had a bad day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh5oYmTURhc On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Depends a great deal on where you are and the maximum mm/hour rain rate expected. That's 4.18 km. I would do it with +19 Tx power radios, very stable mounts, 60cm dishes and very precise aiming. But only with a 5.x GHz link (Nanobeam M5-400 or similar) installed in parallel on a higher OSPF cost. It won't meet five nines unless you're in the desert. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:07 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: will e-band work @ 2.6 miles with 2ft antennas and full tx power? (i.e. not siklu?)? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Distance is 2.6 miles.. Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] private company Instant Messaging
run your own internal irc server in private IP space, set users up with shell accounts that can only run irssi. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 6:08 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody have suggestions on a good IM program to use for internal use? Not a fan of having any of the commercial ones being used by employees because its too tempting for them to use to talk with their friends. We have a No-IM policy and people respect that so looking for a good one I can just run internally for own quick communication Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
correct, two dishes total two OMT, one on each dish. the OMT is the T-shaped orthomode transducer that separates the H V wavelengths. the radio heads (two per dish) mount on the OMT. here's a random google image search I found in 5 seconds, some huawei radios on an OMT mounted on one dish. same idea. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1382080382/HUAWEI_OptiX_RTN_310_full_outdoor_OptiX.jpg On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean a total of two dishes and four radios, not per side, right? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 9:24:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
there may be a 24 GHz version of the SIAE 1024QAM radio that can offer similar performance, perhaps less expensive than the trango. Otherwise, same idea, but with SIAE 18 or 23 GHz part101 radios and dishes, two OMTs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: *nods* I just wanted to make sure they didn't have something else out I didn't know about. The Trango's max channel (at least at launch) is 60 MHz. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 9:31:27 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently correct, two dishes total two OMT, one on each dish. the OMT is the T-shaped orthomode transducer that separates the H V wavelengths. the radio heads (two per dish) mount on the OMT. here's a random google image search I found in 5 seconds, some huawei radios on an OMT mounted on one dish. same idea. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/1382080382/HUAWEI_OptiX_RTN_310_full_outdoor_OptiX.jpg On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You mean a total of two dishes and four radios, not per side, right? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 27, 2014 9:24:12 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently For 24 GHz, the Trango Stratalink24 will also work. Your pricing may vary depending on your relationship with Trango. It can operate in a two dish, two OMT, four radio head configuration for 1.5 Gbps full duplex (1024QAM, 100 MHz wide channel if I remember right). One link is 750 Mbps. Could save money on tower rent vs. a four dish, four radio head approach for H V, depending on your monthly costs. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One link is 1.6 miles with 1' dishes 18ghz The other is 4.5 miles with 3' dishes 18ghz For pricing check with one of the distributors or with Daniel white at SAF. They have a 23ghz version and I think now an unlicensed 24ghz version. On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey Sean, what distance do you get out of them? Size antennas? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: we just installed two SAF integra 2+0 links in 18Ghz. It's 2 radio pairs per link and they do their own link aggregation. you license two 60Mhz channels one V and one H. it's technically 948Mbps without compression (compression can get you the extra 52Mbps if you really want to split hairs) we love them and they are humming right along :-) On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] fiber signaling
Fiber interfaces at 10 Gbps and below at OOK (on/off keying), yes. 40 and 100 Gbps interfaces are frequently a form of CWDM (4 x 25 Gbps) or coherent modulated, QPSK, or 16QAM for example, this Cisco 100 Gbps linecard which uses a form of QPSK modulation. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/carrier-routing-system/datasheet_c78-478689_0629.html On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Something came up in fiber training that I attended recently that I found hard to believe. The instructor said that the signaling was simply on/off. I.E.: light on = 1 and light off = 0. I would have *assumed* they would use some sort of more advanced modulation than that. In fact, I'm sure I've read about creating an optical carrier wave and modulating it. Was the instructor correct? Is it just blinky blinky on/off and that's it? If so, then why the hell would they do that? Wouldn't they get another order of magnitude of capacity by applying a more advanced modulation scheme?
Re: [AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS
I have a 3'x3' piece of thick cardboard spray painted orange for this purpose. If you want to set up a temporary radio on battery power, one easy way to do it is with the Tycon DC-DC PoE injectors and a 12V 8Ah AGM battery. Battery should be $20 on eBay with shipping. Same model I buy to replace batteries in trays in 750VA through 1500VA size 2U rackmount UPS. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Adam Moffett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You could do a dummy link with cheap equipment. Set a tripod or non-pen mount without screwing it down. Power the equipment with batteries. If you want to use a telescope I think you're limited to whether or not you can see the target. If it's hard to pick out against the background, maybe you could hang an orange flag there. Tough one. I never am happy with what the computer spits out. I feel as though it never properly takes foliage into account. Honestly... if it looks close on the path software... there's not much that'll tell you for sure without just doing it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:26:59 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS Need to do a ptp shot but can't tell if I have clear LOS, any tricks with a telescope or something I can do without someone on the other side with a mirror or laser?
Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues
it's going to be really hard to do any meaningful diagnostics with a layer 2 switch on each end, not routers... you could be seeing a broadcast flood of some type. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Unfortunately there is no QoS and flow control is off on the switches L Dragonwave was contacted as well. No determination yet though. -Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:36 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues Backpressure from the switches in terms of flow-control can show as latency on dragonwave links. Disable any QOS features on the dragonwave if you are using them. Email dragonwave support *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues No routers between, just switches. -Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Conlin via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues Could the routers at each end be the limiting factor? What is their CPU utilization when the link is loaded? What happens to latency if you stress the link at 200 Mbps with a speed test? Those radios should be able to do close to 400 Mbps all day long with no latency. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joshua Heide via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues Yes it’s a horizon compact Bandwidth of the unit is 400mbs Bandwidth usage between 150-200mbs during peak hours. No QOS Yes during non-peak hours its sits at 1ms SNR35.00 dB From our prtg graphs this issues has started end of September and latency has gotten worse during peak times as we have deployed more 450 gear to that tower. I currently have HAAM enabled on the link and it stays at 256qam unless we have some bad weather. Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dragonwave latency issues So it's a Horizon Compact? What is the total bandwidth, and what percentage are you using? Have you set up any QOS? 180 ms sounds like a lot; especially when ours are typically less than 1 ms. -38 is right in the game. What are the other parameters besides signal level? bp On 10/22/2014 11:18 AM, Joshua Heide via Af wrote: We have a dragonwave that has latency issues that coincide with traffic peak times. As our traffic peaks so does that latency at 180ms. Any ideas that could cause this? Signal is -38 Current HAAM Mode hc50_364_256qam Thanks, Josh Heide Velociter Wireless (office) 209-838-1221 (fax) 209-838-1800 www.velociter.net
Re: [AFMUG] Non-Penetrating Roof Mount 10-20 feet talkk
two sections of Rohn 25G and the base Rohn makes for it? On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hey guys, What is your recommendation for a non-penetrating mount for the 10-20 foot range that can support 2-3 sectors in the 10-20 foot range and a few 16 dishes down around 6 feet? Up to 10 feet we could use Rigid or IMC conduit but this probably makes more sense to use small tower (Rohn) sections? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Non-Penetrating Roof Mount 10-20 feet talkk
If you can drill into the roof there is a 45G mount for use with guyed applications (NOT self supporting!), it's about $350. Can put four or five 10' sections of 45G on top of a building with appropriate guying, assuming the roof weight loading in the center of the tower is ok in pounds/sqft. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And another option I found in the handy-dandy Rohn catalog I picked up last week: http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-ballast-roof-mount On 10/23/2014 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: pretty much any regular non penetrating mount is going to have a max height of 10', taller than that would have to be custom fabricated. https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless/by-mount-type/Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mounts-%28NPRM%29?mtid=2 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Another possibility: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=46 Non-pen tripod. On 10/23/2014 4:31 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, What is your recommendation for a non-penetrating mount for the 10-20 foot range that can support 2-3 sectors in the 10-20 foot range and a few 16 dishes down around 6 feet? Up to 10 feet we could use Rigid or IMC conduit but this probably makes more sense to use small tower (Rohn) sections? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions?
What's wrong with xen, on a beefy, redundant platform? on a properly configured dom0, it can't be beat... do both PVM and HVM virtualization on the same system. totally free, GPL licensed. My preferred dom0 is a debian amd64 based system. Most of amazon's back-end runs on xen. There are ISPs much larger than any WISP out there running nearly 100% of their back-end on xen. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you look at VMWare's partner program? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:53:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? I've been going down this road for months trying to convince the boss that we need to do something different. Most of the problem is, the WISP software packages don't fit our overall business. So I'm still shopping, and there's nothing that all of us in the management group agree on, but we're gonna do something.. soon.. because. On the hardware front, I was pricing out VMware licensing for the configuration I want, and there was just no way that was gonna happen. The hardware came out to only about 1/4 of the overall cost.. that tells you how much the VMware licensing would be. But there's plenty of open-source virtualization projects out there like Proxmox, *stack this, *cloud that, none of which do what I want. So I've settled on getting a demo setup of oVirt running on a couple CentOS boxes and see where it takes me. On 10/21/2014 10:02 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: So I'm embarrassed to say that after over 5 years I still don't have a automated billing system and with the recent data breaches the labor to keep updating customers cards is finally pushing me to do something, I've been leaning towards Plat for a long time because of the cost and popularity and the fact that my mikrotik core router can easily integrate The problem is I'm a server N00B and have no clue where to start on that, I was thinking that someone might have a simple but reliable/redundant solution. I was looking at a single vsphere host running windows for plat and linux for radius cpanel for the web module but I need to hire a consultant to get that done right, then the reliability concerns/backup etc come in and by the time the consultant was done planning my system we went from 1 box to 4, 1 main server with all of the above services + 1 dns, a second backup box that would have all of the guests from box #1 backed up for a almost instant fail over should box #1 die, then a 3rd box for vCenter and lastly a NAS to backup everything to, at another site on the network in case of fire/theft,etc. This sounds like a totally awesome setup but will end up costing me 10k by the time I get some decent hardware, software licenses, hypervisor consulting and Plat setup consulting... I wish they had a simple hosted solution... Arg. Anyone have some other idea on how I can get up and running without spending a fortune but still have some type of disaster recovery should the box melt down? I really hate to spend the high monthly $ on something like Visp, swift fox, etc Any guidance is greatly appreciated TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions?
openVZ is much more like a freebsd jail, all the guests have to run the same kernel as the host. with a xen PVM you can run any kernel you want, as long as it's recent. in HVM mode (using QEMU for full emulation, with VT-x, etc) you can run guest OSes totally different from the host OS. I have a cacti install that is CentOS 6 amd64 running inside a Debian-testing amd64 host. fault tolerance, you can use the underlying filesystems of the LVM containers to keep a virtual guest disk cloned for hot standby to a second totally identical hardware platform. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Never been a Xen fan, don't know why. I was OpenVZ back in the day and now I'm VMWare. VMWare is certainly easy to install and manage. Does Xen have something comparable to VMWare's Fault Tolerant mode where host failure doesn't result in the guest going down? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:33:44 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? What's wrong with xen, on a beefy, redundant platform? on a properly configured dom0, it can't be beat... do both PVM and HVM virtualization on the same system. totally free, GPL licensed. My preferred dom0 is a debian amd64 based system. Most of amazon's back-end runs on xen. There are ISPs much larger than any WISP out there running nearly 100% of their back-end on xen. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you look at VMWare's partner program? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:53:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? I've been going down this road for months trying to convince the boss that we need to do something different. Most of the problem is, the WISP software packages don't fit our overall business. So I'm still shopping, and there's nothing that all of us in the management group agree on, but we're gonna do something.. soon.. because. On the hardware front, I was pricing out VMware licensing for the configuration I want, and there was just no way that was gonna happen. The hardware came out to only about 1/4 of the overall cost.. that tells you how much the VMware licensing would be. But there's plenty of open-source virtualization projects out there like Proxmox, *stack this, *cloud that, none of which do what I want. So I've settled on getting a demo setup of oVirt running on a couple CentOS boxes and see where it takes me. On 10/21/2014 10:02 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: So I'm embarrassed to say that after over 5 years I still don't have a automated billing system and with the recent data breaches the labor to keep updating customers cards is finally pushing me to do something, I've been leaning towards Plat for a long time because of the cost and popularity and the fact that my mikrotik core router can easily integrate The problem is I'm a server N00B and have no clue where to start on that, I was thinking that someone might have a simple but reliable/redundant solution. I was looking at a single vsphere host running windows for plat and linux for radius cpanel for the web module but I need to hire a consultant to get that done right, then the reliability concerns/backup etc come in and by the time the consultant was done planning my system we went from 1 box to 4, 1 main server with all of the above services + 1 dns, a second backup box that would have all of the guests from box #1 backed up for a almost instant fail over should box #1 die, then a 3rd box for vCenter and lastly a NAS to backup everything to, at another site on the network in case of fire/theft,etc. This sounds like a totally awesome setup but will end up costing me 10k by the time I get some decent hardware, software licenses, hypervisor consulting and Plat setup consulting... I wish they had a simple hosted solution... Arg. Anyone have some other idea on how I can get up and running without spending a fortune but still have some type of disaster recovery should the box melt down? I really hate to spend the high monthly $ on something like Visp, swift fox, etc Any guidance is greatly appreciated TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions?
https://code.google.com/p/ganeti/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganeti On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Never been a Xen fan, don't know why. I was OpenVZ back in the day and now I'm VMWare. VMWare is certainly easy to install and manage. Does Xen have something comparable to VMWare's Fault Tolerant mode where host failure doesn't result in the guest going down? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 7:33:44 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? What's wrong with xen, on a beefy, redundant platform? on a properly configured dom0, it can't be beat... do both PVM and HVM virtualization on the same system. totally free, GPL licensed. My preferred dom0 is a debian amd64 based system. Most of amazon's back-end runs on xen. There are ISPs much larger than any WISP out there running nearly 100% of their back-end on xen. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you look at VMWare's partner program? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:53:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? I've been going down this road for months trying to convince the boss that we need to do something different. Most of the problem is, the WISP software packages don't fit our overall business. So I'm still shopping, and there's nothing that all of us in the management group agree on, but we're gonna do something.. soon.. because. On the hardware front, I was pricing out VMware licensing for the configuration I want, and there was just no way that was gonna happen. The hardware came out to only about 1/4 of the overall cost.. that tells you how much the VMware licensing would be. But there's plenty of open-source virtualization projects out there like Proxmox, *stack this, *cloud that, none of which do what I want. So I've settled on getting a demo setup of oVirt running on a couple CentOS boxes and see where it takes me. On 10/21/2014 10:02 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: So I'm embarrassed to say that after over 5 years I still don't have a automated billing system and with the recent data breaches the labor to keep updating customers cards is finally pushing me to do something, I've been leaning towards Plat for a long time because of the cost and popularity and the fact that my mikrotik core router can easily integrate The problem is I'm a server N00B and have no clue where to start on that, I was thinking that someone might have a simple but reliable/redundant solution. I was looking at a single vsphere host running windows for plat and linux for radius cpanel for the web module but I need to hire a consultant to get that done right, then the reliability concerns/backup etc come in and by the time the consultant was done planning my system we went from 1 box to 4, 1 main server with all of the above services + 1 dns, a second backup box that would have all of the guests from box #1 backed up for a almost instant fail over should box #1 die, then a 3rd box for vCenter and lastly a NAS to backup everything to, at another site on the network in case of fire/theft,etc. This sounds like a totally awesome setup but will end up costing me 10k by the time I get some decent hardware, software licenses, hypervisor consulting and Plat setup consulting... I wish they had a simple hosted solution... Arg. Anyone have some other idea on how I can get up and running without spending a fortune but still have some type of disaster recovery should the box melt down? I really hate to spend the high monthly $ on something like Visp, swift fox, etc Any guidance is greatly appreciated TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa pipe dream?
I, too, will believe it when I see it. I just want to set up a basic PTP link between two 3' size dishes, between two Cisco routers with gigE interfaces, run iperf across it, and watch the RTG + cacti charts. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:28 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yes. They made a wishlist and made promises out of it. As this is all not implemented by now they cant even know if all of this will work like they want it to work. They may see (like others) that there are some limitations in the chipset, they may loose financing, they my loose developers …. As a user of PMP320, Purewave, UBNT, Mikrotik, Cambium, Radwin, … I see a lot of promises which does not come true. I see Mikrotik making things worse which each ROS release, ePMP still generates false Radar Detects, Radwin behave bad with interference and did not deliver 40MHz Channels in my Band, UBNT cant deliver GPS, … I believe equipment will evolve and 802.11ac will give us better products but I do not believe in promises. Mimosa has to deliver and then we’ll all see. I google all day for „mimosa b5 iperf“ and there is nothing than press statements. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *TJ Trout via Af *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2014 09:00 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* [AFMUG] Mimosa pipe dream? I was thinking about Mimosa, and I can't think of anything else they could promise that we would want, except maybe Golden Unicorns for Steve, seems like their promises are so far fetched that it might all be smoke and mirrors? Any thoughts?
Re: [AFMUG] MTU on PTP650?
For something as expensive as the PTP650 I would be really surprised if it couldn't handle 9000 byte MTU + extra MPLS header bytes for a carrier network. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I finally found it. Page 165 of the manual: Max Ethernet frame size 9600 bytes Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/21/2014 11:26 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: Does anyone know where in the documentation it shows the MTU of the PTP650?
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT airview won't run
What browser and operating system? On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Craig Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is Airview giving anyone else Java related grief? I've got 5.5.10 on the radio, and when trying to run Airview, it pops an Unable to launch error. I've googled for solutions, and so far nothing pans out. Using the latest Java 8. In the past, it appears that the solution to this problem was to drop Java security to medium. Oracle appears to have removed that option in recent versions. Now you can only select High or Very High. However, you're supposed to be able to accomplish the same thing by putting the URL into the exception list. I've done that, but to no avail. I've also tried it on a PC running Java 7 with the same results. Does anyone have a solution to this? Craig
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT airview won't run
It's pretty quick to make a VirtualBox VM (xubuntu or whatever) with security-lowered Java, just for the purpose of running AirView and other silly things. Definitely a bad idea to lower Java security system-wide on your main workstation. I have a stripped down VM with a 4GB virtual disk here that consists of basically nothing more than an basic Debian install, XFCE4 desktop, Firefox, Chrome, and the latest sun JRE. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The correct way to fix it in 7 was to add the URL to the exceptions list, not lower security. Never lower security system-wide especially for Java. I don't have 8, so I'm not sure if that still works. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Craig Baird via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:36:37 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] UBNT airview won't run Is Airview giving anyone else Java related grief? I've got 5.5.10 on the radio, and when trying to run Airview, it pops an Unable to launch error. I've googled for solutions, and so far nothing pans out. Using the latest Java 8. In the past, it appears that the solution to this problem was to drop Java security to medium. Oracle appears to have removed that option in recent versions. Now you can only select High or Very High. However, you're supposed to be able to accomplish the same thing by putting the URL into the exception list. I've done that, but to no avail. I've also tried it on a PC running Java 7 with the same results. Does anyone have a solution to this? Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements?
not so much for users, but for installers, if you have your own locally hosted copy of speedtest mini: https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/speed-test-nerds On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm certainly not opposed to a self-hosted speedtest if you can find a good one. I may implement whatever this thread determines. However, none of the speedtest servers in my area do a particularly terrible job. Several WISPs run them around here as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:32:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? I'm not sure why this diverted to upstream providers over a viable self-hosted speedtest? Regardless if your upstream sucks or not, you cannot control the bandwidth availability (or reliability) of some anonymous speed test server you yourself do not control. -Tim -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest replacements? On 10/21/14, 16:19, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: 1) You are responsible if your upstream sucks. Why wouldn't you be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3rdfI28s0
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
9/125 G.652.D or G.657.A1 type, singlemode loose tube single jacket non armored, non-gel cable to an upper junction box Upper junction box containing multiple small splice enclosures same size as this: https://avalanche.tessco.com/productimages/250x250/1273609.jpg Shown with the wrong connectors, it can take a standard oval shaped Corning CCH panel. Usually used with 6 x duplex SC/UPC (12 total strands) or 12 x duplex LC/UPC (24 total strands). On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a tower I'd do armored, loose buffer tube, dry (no gel). I use single mode, mainly because my FTTH network is single mode and it simplifies the supplies I need to keep in stock. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We’re going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? Any information is helpful. Regards, Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] Fiber recommentations
here's a better photo: http://csmedia.corning.com/opcomm/images/foh/wall-mount%20hardware/sph-12otr-1259h_a_zoom.jpg or with LC for 24 strands: http://csmedia.corning.com/opcomm/images/dsl/sph-240tr-24a9h_a_zoom.jpg On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke eric.kuh...@gmail.com wrote: 9/125 G.652.D or G.657.A1 type, singlemode loose tube single jacket non armored, non-gel cable to an upper junction box Upper junction box containing multiple small splice enclosures same size as this: https://avalanche.tessco.com/productimages/250x250/1273609.jpg Shown with the wrong connectors, it can take a standard oval shaped Corning CCH panel. Usually used with 6 x duplex SC/UPC (12 total strands) or 12 x duplex LC/UPC (24 total strands). On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On a tower I'd do armored, loose buffer tube, dry (no gel). I use single mode, mainly because my FTTH network is single mode and it simplifies the supplies I need to keep in stock. On Thursday, October 16, 2014, Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We’re going to need to deploy a fiber connection from a new collo to where we are mounting our equipment on the tower. Picking a specific fiber is new to me, I was wondering what you guys recommend using when you need to deploy fiber up a tower? Are you using single or multi mode? What do you recommend that has worked for you and can withstand an outdoor environment? Any information is helpful. Regards, Timothy McNabb Network Administrator Velociter Wireless, Inc (209)838-1221 x107
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Detect wireless fade and automatically route traffic to the most efficient path. You can't do that with mpls-te right, you want radios that will do link state propagation to the router for that, which most carrier grade FDD backhauls will do. When a link fades below a certain threshold, turn off the interface so that from the perspective of two routers operating an OSPF /30 between two gigE interfaces, it looks like a cut cable. Thereby causing traffic to take another path. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 10:31 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Detect wireless fade and automatically route traffic to the most efficient path. You can't do that with mpls-te, and you can't get as low as a latency as these things have even with fastpath. That's the shame of it, had they finished it it would have been a great product, although they used the wrong base technology. It should have been built on SBP or TRILL to allow for the traditional mesh design, instead of ITU G.3082v2 which requires rings. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 08:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Solution in search of a problem. What did it claim to do that you can't do with a properly designed OSPF + BGP + MPLS (and VRF) capable network? Then again, I don't use Mikrotik routers, I use power hungry Cisco or Juniper gear so I don't have to deal with Mikrotik's wonky implementation of BGP and MPLS. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going �to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? � -Tim � *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes � We�ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, we�re looking to implement � but I�m running into the silliest of issues. I can�t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan �pops�), then Ethernet to a second computer. � I�ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. � This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we can�t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. � Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Yes, 5 on one site, but aimed in different directions. Do you have two af24 pairs in parallel, FDD, each using the full 200 MHz, linking two sites on exactly the same azimuth and elevation? On Oct 13, 2014 11:58 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's incorrect. You have link 1 on one set of freqs, then on link 2 you swap the TX/RX freqs. We have a site with 5 AF24s on it currently. No problems. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/13/2014 05:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1 Gig both ways? You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them 1.0Gbps with redundancy. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] How to deal with constant customer internet saturation.
care to post an (anonymized) cacti chart for a customer? I'm curious what kind of usage patterns we are talking about here. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So it's becoming a reoccurring nightmare for me. I get a customer calling in saying their internet is slow. It ends up being their upstream or downstream or both are totally maxed out for hours on end. Unfortunately, my responsibility does not stop there. We have been going the route of installing Mikrotik's in the customer home, which helps us identify the problem. But what do we do from there? I feel like the overall bandwidth isnt the ENTIRE problem. With more intelligent usage, more people can use it simultaneously. Of course, giving them more speed would help, but I feel like it's a bandaid around the big picture, which is the fact that nothing plays nice with anything else. Are there any mikrotik guru's here that could figure something out that we could preload on all these mikrotik routers that would help minimize this issue? In my mind, I feel like the solution lies in the prioritization of each connection, without putting a hard limit on any one device. I just can't seem to figure out the proper implementation. Are any of you seeing this reoccurring nightmare?
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers
For outbound SIP trunks: Voxbeam is reliable. voip.ms doesn't have the best rates, but has SIP servers all over North America, likely within 30ms latency of your location no matter where you are. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm looking for a backup termination provider to VoIP Innovations, so that if VI has an issue, customers can still make outbound calls. I know there are Thousands out there, Just looking for good/bad/ugly experiences with any of them. Or if you're really happy with one. I'm hitting my VI minimums just in inbound calling, so I could route all outbound traffic through a different provider if they require monthly minimums. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register
FSO is a huge pain in the ass and unreliable at 500 to 600 meters. The Bridgewave GE60 and GE60X, similar products, work very well at 500-650 meters (in a Seattle or Vancouver rain zone) and are actually five nine reliable statistically over a year. There are a lot of upcoming 60 GHz products which will be fantastic for rooftop-to-rooftop shots in dense urban cores. I'm talking about places where trenching new fiber costs $300 a foot, it could easily cost $180,000 to $300,000 to link two buildings, but you can do a 1 Gbps shot for well under $10k. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Oh, at that distance might as well use FSO. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 13, 2014 8:32:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register 60Ghz attenuates a lot by moisture. All vendors I talk to dont recommend more than 500m = 1/3 mile. *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mike Hammett via Af *Gesendet:* Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:27 *An:* af@afmug.com *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register I can't wait. By short you mean like up to a mile? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, October 13, 2014 8:16:47 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register 60 Ghz band ist good for up to 500m ptp. There are products from silku, athena, sub10 Based on a 802.11ad chipsets this band might give dirt cheap short gigabit links. This is the only 802.11ad chipset I know of: http://wilocity.com/products/chipsets *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Jaime Solorza via Af *Gesendet:* Montag, 13. Oktober 2014 15:02 *An:* Animal Farm *Betreff:* [AFMUG] Samsung: 4.6 GIGABIT WiFi, suck in a movie in SECONDS • The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/10/13/samsung_promises_46_gbps_wifi_maybe_next_year/ Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] customer needs to upload lots of files ... best way?
cron job and rsync. On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 3:13 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have started to do a LOT of this. My new hobby is a radio station which we launched back in April. I am always recording and editing files and sending them back and forth and i've found RDP is the best way to do this since both local and remote are running windows 7. It does work effectively and honestly, i don't think it's any different than FTP. I am on a cable connection at home and the radio station is colocated at our Cyber office, so it's on our fiber there. FYI. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com *To:* af@afmug.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] customer needs to upload lots of files ... best way? He needs a multi-threaded FTP client. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/12/2014 08:05 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I have a customer who keeps asking for more upload speed because it takes too long to upload a bunch of files to his server at a datacenter.� He thinks this should not cost a lot because he is just bursting, unfortunately what he wants would require a dedicated link from the tower to his house.� He will upload around 100 files when he finishes a project and it takes about 20 minutes, apparently that's a problem.� What I see when he is uploading is about 50% duty cycle, apparently a file uploads, then dead time, then another file.� So I'm thinking he first needs to improve how efficiently he uses his Internet connection. He says he is using drag and drop in Windows 7.� I assume this means he is using Remote Desktop and using drag and drop within the RDP session from his local drive to a drive on the remote server. Would I be right that RDP drag and drop is not an efficient way to transfer lots of files?� (I've never done that myself.)� What would be the best way? Personally, I would just use FTP, maybe create a tar archive first, but he is using Windows.� If he needs security, it seems there are choices like SFTP, FTPS, SCP.� If HIPAA level security is not required, vanilla FTP would avoid the encryption overhead.� I found an article on how to set the number of concurrent connections in Filezilla to something like 10, would that keep the link 100% utilized?� My other FTP client is WS_FTP, I don't know if it can do concurrent file transfers.
Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with AC based system
Price for ptp connectorized unit vs Mimosa? Actual ship date? On Oct 13, 2014 3:09 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
No you can't, in 750Mbps mode an af24 link takes all available 24 GHz bandwidth in both polarities. Will not work in parallel ptp between the same two sites. Will work if one af24 is aimed off-azimuth at least 10 degrees at another third site. On Oct 13, 2014 4:48 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1 Gig both ways? You **could** theoretically use two AF24’s and a Mikrotik router to bond the connections. This would give them 1.0Gbps with redundancy. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile? What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
