Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.

2014-12-31 Thread timothy steele via Af
somthing newer then busybox linux had?

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What kernel was Mikrotik using 10 years ago?



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 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and
 AirGateways.

 last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work
  I think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final
 out fast as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after
 5.6 final is out its on beta6 right now..

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the
 longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it.
 Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but
 they dont have programmatic access to the device

 I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless
 product on the market these days supports it in some form or another.

 I could see hiding behind the well, it wont work with our proprietary
 wireless algorithm I can see that on the commercial side, but the home
 devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or
 gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti
 products.

 I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now

 On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 They'll say, We weren't aware anyone wanted that. That's what the
 vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done
 something.

 I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but
 auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice.



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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

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 *From: *Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers
 and AirGateways.


 Make that on all of the products.   Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’
 SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we
 use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed.

 What is so hard about this?   Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years
 ago.

 Mark

 On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 +1
 On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID
 for guests for example, is becoming a problem.  I had 3 people in the last
 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them.  Come on guys,
 we’ve been asking for this for 5 years.  It’s time.



 Rory Conaway
 Triad Wireless
 4226 S. 37th Street
 Phoenix, Az.  85040
 602-426-0542
 r...@triadwireless.net
 www.triadwireless.net



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Re: [AFMUG] hmmmm.....whats wrong with this ap eval?

2014-12-29 Thread timothy steele via Af
924mhz 1 has a different Becon version are you having sync issues? Also you are 
using 906 913 915 924 that's seems odd

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On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Range 0 feet?
 From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 9:13 PM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] h.whats wrong with this ap eval?
 You divided by color code zero and got a color code 57 somehow.
 On 12/29/2014 9:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote:
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   AP Selection Method used: Optimize for Throughput
   Current entry index: 0 Session Status: REGISTERED (via Primary Color Code 0)
   *
   Index: 0 Frequency: 906.00 MHz 
   ESN: 0a-00-3e-91-13-95 Region: United States
   Jitter: 5 Power Level: -67 dBm Beacon Count: 19 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0
   Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 3 Range: 54243 feet 
 MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0
   Session Count: 17 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 
 Rescan Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0
   NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0
   FrameNumber: 529 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 0 BeaconVersion: 0 
 SectorUserCount: 9
   NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3
   WhiteSched: 0 ICC: 0 Authentication: Disabled
   SM PPPoE: Supported 
   *
   Index: 1 Frequency: 913.00 MHz 
   ESN: 0a-00-3e-91-b5-51 Region: United States
   Jitter: 4 Power Level: -82 dBm Beacon Count: 12 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0
   Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 0 Range: 0 feet 
 MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0
   Session Count: 0 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan 
 Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0
   NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0
   FrameNumber: 1139 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 57 BeaconVersion: 0 
 SectorUserCount: 7
   NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3
   WhiteSched: 0 ICC: 0 Authentication: Disabled
   SM PPPoE: Supported 
   *
   Index: 2 Frequency: 924.00 MHz 
   ESN: 0a-00-3e-91-27-05 Region: United States
   Jitter: 5 Power Level: -84 dBm Beacon Count: 3 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0
   Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 3 Range: 0 feet 
 MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0
   Session Count: 0 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan 
 Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0
   NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0
   FrameNumber: 662 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 0 BeaconVersion: 1 
 SectorUserCount: 0
   NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3 
   SM PPPoE: Supported 
   *
   Index: 3 Frequency: 915.00 MHz 
   ESN: 0a-00-3e-90-23-93 Region: United States
   Jitter: 5 Power Level: -83 dBm Beacon Count: 11 BRcvW: 1 FECEn: 0
   Type: Multipoint Avail: 1 Age: 0 Lockout: 0 RegFail 0 Range: 0 feet 
 MaxRange: 25 miles TxBER: 1 EBcast: 0
   Session Count: 0 NoLUIDS: 0 OutOfRange: 0 AuthFail: 0 EncryptFail: 0 Rescan 
 Req: 0 SMLimitReached: 0
   NoVC's: 0 VCRsvFail: 0 VCActFail: 0
   FrameNumber: 1973 SectorID: 0 Color Code: 0 BeaconVersion: 0 
 SectorUserCount: 7
   NumULHalfSlots: 11 NumDLHalfSlots: 33 NumULContSlots: 3
   WhiteSched: 0 ICC: 0 Authentication: Disabled
   SM PPPoE: Supported 

[AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK

2014-12-26 Thread timothy steele via Af
Just ran into a ATT microcell that would not work with the SM in NAT mode 
routers WAN was on a DMZ IP anyone else run into this?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK

2014-12-26 Thread timothy steele via Af
Thanks guys


LAN IP on our SMs are 172.16.x.x not 192.168.x.x


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On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is LAN IP 192.168.100.x?
 From: timothy steele via Af 
 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:13 PM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: [AFMUG] Micro cell with NAT mode FSK
 Just ran into a ATT microcell that would not work with the SM in NAT mode 
 routers WAN was on a DMZ IP anyone else run into this? 
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

2014-12-26 Thread timothy steele via Af
I would see if you can find any use NETEQ's

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On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:26 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 This is a sample base report from the one at my house, I dont have a
 maintenance contract and its old hardware and locked in old firmware so
 little of it works for the reporting. but this is the default cloud report.
 Our contract customers who choose to maintain their maintenance agreements
 can do alot more, like AD integration, all that good stuff.
 We have done managed office firewalls with these, but normally we just try
 to get the customer under a managed services contract.
 We have dropped them in on a couple residential customers networks long
 enough to pull reports, but its a risk to have money at a residence that is
 already abusing the system
 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:17 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 yes, with the maintenance contract you can get as detailed as you want
 without you can only do the source/dest IP/port but not identification of
 the traffic type
 If you have it at a POP just create a policy (in and out) specific to the
 monitored customer and make sure those policies are logging all traffic.
 I believe the 60 series does not have internal storage, the higher series
 do. but you can send to syslog and one of the open source ones, i dont
 recall which, has fortigate specific reporting

 Its pretty slick, especially for office environments, the generic cloud
 reporting keeps customers happy

 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Does FortiOS provide detailed report on Internet usage?  Sorry
 for the question but I don’t have any experience with this system.



 Steve B.
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 Af
 *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 2:04 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report



 we are looking at putting 60d and 90d in as our site/POP routers. It will
 give us more visibility on the network. It does require a service contract
 for advanced features and reporting. There are a couple syslog servers I
 guess that can format the reports on these



 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 1:00 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 http://www.avfirewalls.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAq_SkBRC3jLvJ1IPt2eIBEiQASUZy1z9JetUR94rPQ3lbbwki727bo9hzSXDX33upLwc2LkEaAiBm8P8HAQ



 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Is there a low end unit that can do this?  Any Idea what price range?



 Steve B


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 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report



 A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what
 user is logged in and what theyre doing



 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock
 it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph.  It won’t tell them what is
 using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff
 off to see what is causing the usage.  Like oh, it went down when I shut
 off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet.  Or
 look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the
 Internet?  Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has
 been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging.



 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report



 Powercode does bits down to the minute.

 If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer
 a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show
 a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.  My
 thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
 for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
 debug mode.



 Steve B







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 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





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Re: [AFMUG] Omni + Ice

2014-12-23 Thread timothy steele via Af
Heat 
tape?http://www.heat-trace.co.uk/Products/Self-Regulating_Heaters/Freezstop_Micro_FSM


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On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I doubt it causes any signal reduction assuming you just apply a layer.
 Putting a pallet of material in front would be bad.
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 23, 2014 5:58 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  I'm using Never Wet on a couple of AirFiber24's.  I have tried sex wax on
 stinger antennas with no luck.
 The bag idea is good.  Any degraded performance I would notice?


 On 12/23/2014 4:51 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:

 Hefty garbage bag.

 Sex wax (surf board stuff)

 Might try that neverwet

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 23, 2014 5:49 PM, Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 It seems like a couple times over the winter we have ice that covers a
 side of our omni antennas.
 It's only a handful of customers that directly face the iced up side of
 the omni that have degraded signals.
 We usually only have an issue when rain slowly switches to ice and then
 snow.
 It will either take a tower climb or wait for warmer temps to melt said
 ice.
 What measures has anyone here on the list taken to prevent this condition?





Re: [AFMUG] ePMP SNMP Location

2014-12-21 Thread timothy steele via Af
Of not there these OID's might work for 
ePMPhttp://glr81.free.fr/pages/openwrt-snmp-oid.htm


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On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 There's a great SNMP website for all Cambium stuff.
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Dec 21, 2014 7:58 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Does the ePMP not expose the SNMP Location that Mikrotik and Ubiquiti (and
 my Linux servers) do? It's not showing up in my monitoring program
 (Observium).



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Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Plug

2014-12-11 Thread timothy steele via Af
Try Frys electronic 

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On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Mike, 
 I just wanted to let you know that I just heard back from my engineers on 
 this. Apparently the information that we have on file is incorrect the 
 correct measurement is actually 3.5mm x 1.35mm. I do apologize for the delay 
 in response. 
 Much Thanks, 
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 http://www.ics-il.com 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net 
 To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com 
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 9:37:29 AM 
 Subject: DC Power Plug 
 Does anyone know where I can find a standard 4.0 x 1.3mm 12 Volt power 
 port, preferably with a pigtail? It's for the screen trigger output on an 
 InFocus projector. That's what InFocus support said I needed to use and that 
 it's available in any local electronics store. Well, it's not at Radio Shack. 
 Google sure isn't being a lot of help either. 
 - 
 Mike Hammett 
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 http://www.ics-il.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT animation software

2014-11-26 Thread timothy steele via Af
These guys look really cheap probably your best bet.. 
http://www.fiverr.com/yuen1985/create-a-60-seconds-high-quality-explainer-video-in-hd





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On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Looking at a video to educate new customers, specifically about the 
 limitations of wireless routers.
 Right now I am checking out moovly.
 From: Ken Hohhof via Af 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:02 AM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT animation software
 You don’t ask for much, do you?  Easy, cheap, and I suppose you also want 
 good?
 Maybe contract out to Next Media Animation, the place that does the animated 
 news videos:
 https://www.youtube.com/user/tomonewsus
 Are you wanting to produce Flash animations, like for websites, or actual 
 videos like for Youtube?  I seem to remember there was some website that 
 would let you create animations of talking heads speaking your words, like 
 narration for an instructional video, I don’t remember the name of the 
 service though.
 From: Chuck McCown via Af 
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:27 AM
 To: af@afmug.com 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT animation software
 Looking for recommendations for animation software that does not have a steep 
 learning curve and hopefully is free or low cost.  

Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

2014-11-22 Thread timothy steele via Af
Only way to get sync to work on UBNT gear that I have found is the stuff 
bitlomat is working on

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On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We had an implementation of UBNT sync that was less than favorable.  3
 links in the same 90 degree plane...it helped slightly, reduced total
 throughput, channel management still had to be done, and true Cambium-style
 sync was never achieved.  It never worked in 2.4GHz IMO.
 Regards,
 Chuck
 On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 If you two kids don't stop fighting I swear to god I'm pulling over this
 car and slapping you with my ring hand.


 On Saturday, November 22, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Your cable and DSL is a lot slower and more expensive than it is here.
 The physics are easier to accomplish when you don't have to move as many
 bits through the air.



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 *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:13:19 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

 That's fine.

 We'll go back to running the same wisp that is taking both the cable co
 and clec's in-town customers and has been for the past 10 years... without
 sync.

  On 11/21/2014 06:39 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

 Those are very compelling, but not enough bits without bigger channels,
 which then need sync.



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 *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, November 21, 2014 7:19:14 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sync on UBNT Titanium

 Or you can swap it out with -AC and get 65Mbps on a 10MHz channel,
 realtime airview, and much better selectivity :P

 On 11/21/2014 03:10 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

 you can swap it all out with epmp


 On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  It may work, but it will tank your throughput.

  On 11/21/2014 01:32 PM, Jerry Richardson via Af wrote:

  Has anyone successfully implemented?

 �

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Re: [AFMUG] ubnt test2.cgi stress test?

2014-11-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
Your leaving a lot of info out..


What antenna are you using?

What radio are you using?

What speeds are you expecting to see 

What type of cable did you use

Did you test the BH

Did you test the cable on AP and BH

Did you test switch ports the AP and BH are plugged into?


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On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 #!/sbin/cgi
 ?
 include(lib/settings.inc);
 if ($action!=test) {
  if ($feature_poe_passthrough == 1) {
  if (!isset($poe_test)) {
  $poe_test=on;
  }
  }
  if (!isset($stress_test)) {
  $stress_test=on;
  }
 }
 if (!isset($poe_cnt)) {
  $poe_cnt=10;
 }
 if (!isset($stress_dur)) {
  $stress_dur=5;
 }
 POE related. There is no temp sensor in UBNT gear.
 On 11/18/2014 08:00 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
 anybody know what this does?
 I have an AP that has 6 clients, 5hz channels, decent links for all, 
 the AP is reachable fine, but the clients are all having throughput 
 problems and most of the time are inaccessible

 Im wondering if the AP hasnt gotten too cold so Ive been trying to 
 force it to heat up, running the builtin speedtest to the colocated AP

 browsing the /usr/www folder there is the test.cgi and the test2.cgi, 
 test2 lets you initiate a stress test, I dont know what that does, but 
 top shows the processor in heavy use. I assume this would generate heat.
 Does ubnt have any temp sensor?
 what does this stress test actually do?

 I do not want to climb up and replace this AP today, I left my heavy 
 pants at home


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 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
 you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
 means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
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[AFMUG] Hopland and Philo CA WISP?

2014-11-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
Comcast is posting on the UBNT forum looking to partner with a WISP in CA..

http://community.ubnt.com/t5/Business-Talk/Northern-California-WISP-needed/m-p/1106571#M41294

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Re: [AFMUG] Ap resetting after upgrading to 13.2

2014-11-16 Thread timothy steele via Af
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 0x00020050 0xc0a88c24
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 0x 0x
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 0x
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC : :Time Set
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:00 UTC :
 **System Startup**
 System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2 AP-DES
 Board Type : P12
 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-47-d3-a1
 No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2417.5 MHz -
 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 3
 FPGA Version : 082614
 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:19 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
 11/16/2014 : 05:19:45 UTC : :Time Set
 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:13 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 How are you getting Power to the AP? Now that it can pass WAY more data I
 wonder if it's taking more power then before? I have not seen that bug..
 Anyone else having that issue with 13.2?

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 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Negatory. All 13.2 Official.

 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:27 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Are there SM's with 13.2 beta on that AP?

 —
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 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 After upgrading this AP it's also resetting like crazy by itself...

  **System Startup**
 System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2 AP-DES
 Board Type : P12
 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-47-d3-a1
 No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2417.5 MHz -
 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 3
 FPGA Version : 082614
 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:23 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
 11/15/2014 : 18:05:01 UTC : :Time Set
 11/16/2014 : 00:04:16 UTC : :Idle task starved for 31

Re: [AFMUG] Ap resetting after upgrading to 13.2

2014-11-15 Thread timothy steele via Af
Are there SM's with 13.2 beta on that AP?

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 After upgrading this AP it's also resetting like crazy by itself...
 **System Startup**
 System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2 AP-DES
 Board Type : P12
 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-47-d3-a1
 No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2417.5 MHz -
 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 3
 FPGA Version : 082614
 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:23 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
 11/15/2014 : 18:05:01 UTC : :Time Set
 11/16/2014 : 00:04:16 UTC : :Idle task starved for 31 seconds.
 11/16/2014 : 00:04:16 UTC :
 CPU Utilization (Cur/Max): (33%/100%)
 Total Time : 1977618 us
 TASK TASK % RT Tot TASK Tot S T A C K Task PC
 NAME PRI RT MAX Cyc Preempt CtxSw (Sz/Cur%/Max%)OV Status Addr
 -
 SYNC 4 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/33%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 WDOG 5 ( 0%) 16 79 0 6 (12284/ 2%/11%) Ready 0x991c08
 LEDT 6 ( 0%) 71 147 0 6 (12284/ 2%/13%) Ready 0x800076c
 DIAG 10 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/15%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 trap 14 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/32%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 SESS 15 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/36%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 SOCK 16 ( 0%) 160 464 4 8 (12284/ 6%/29%) Suspend 0x800076c
 COMM 17 ( 0%) 674 674 0 1 (12284/ 2%/33%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 EAPR 18 ( 0%) 58 1110 0 20 (12284/ 3%/17%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 VLAN 20 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/12%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 APPT 22 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 ctic 23 ( 0%) 1967 9848 8 28 (12284/ 2%/17%) Ready 0x800076c
 Inet 24 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/24%) Suspend 0x800076c
 BDMT 27 ( 0%) 16 31 0 2 (12284/ 2%/12%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 BDQT 28 ( 0%) 1765 5252 0 20 (12284/ 2%/15%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 FECT 29 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 AUTH 31 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/11%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 SNMP 32 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/40%) Suspend 0x800076c
 teln 34 ( 0%) 28 111 0 4 (12284/ 6%/29%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL1 35 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL2 36 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL3 37 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL4 38 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 FTPs 39 ( 0%) 28 111 0 4 (12284/ 7%/31%) Suspend 0x800076c
 GPSO 42 ( 0%) 177 577 0 6 (12284/ 2%/28%) Ready 0x800076c
 GPSI 43 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendSem 0x800076c
 NTP 44 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/33%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 NTPS 45 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/11%) Suspend 0x800076c
 ROOT 46 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/40%) Suspend 0x800076c
 UPDT 48 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/16%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 HTTP 50 ( 0%) 29 114 0 4 (12284/ 7%/52%) Suspend 0x800076c
 PROX 51 (99%) 69800 1959100 52 52 (12284/ 7%/31%) Ready 0x800054c
 HTUN 52 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 7%/32%) Ready 0x800076c
 TFT0 53 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) PendQ 0x800076c
 nvrm 55 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 PING 56 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 LLDT 57 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/12%) Ready 0x800076c
 STAT 60 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 ( 8192/ 3%/17%) Ready 0x800076c
 IDLE 61 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 ( 8192/ 3%/17%) Ready 0x800054c
 PRI PC ID
 
 5 0800076c 0
 6 0800076c 1
 51 0800054c 2
 28 0800076c 3
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Re: [AFMUG] Ap resetting after upgrading to 13.2

2014-11-15 Thread timothy steele via Af
How are you getting Power to the AP? Now that it can pass WAY more data I 
wonder if it's taking more power then before? I have not seen that bug.. Anyone 
else having that issue with 13.2?

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On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Negatory. All 13.2 Official.
 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:27 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Are there SM's with 13.2 beta on that AP?

 —
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 On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 After upgrading this AP it's also resetting like crazy by itself...

  **System Startup**
 System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2 AP-DES
 Board Type : P12
 Device Setting : 2.4GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-47-d3-a1
 No valid accounts configured. Using default user account - 2417.5 MHz -
 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 3
 FPGA Version : 082614
 FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
 01/01/2011 : 00:00:23 UTC : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
 11/15/2014 : 18:05:01 UTC : :Time Set
 11/16/2014 : 00:04:16 UTC : :Idle task starved for 31 seconds.
 11/16/2014 : 00:04:16 UTC :
 CPU Utilization (Cur/Max): (33%/100%)
 Total Time : 1977618 us

 TASK TASK % RT Tot TASK Tot S T A C K Task PC
 NAME PRI RT MAX Cyc Preempt CtxSw (Sz/Cur%/Max%)OV Status Addr

 -
 SYNC 4 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/33%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 WDOG 5 ( 0%) 16 79 0 6 (12284/ 2%/11%) Ready 0x991c08
 LEDT 6 ( 0%) 71 147 0 6 (12284/ 2%/13%) Ready 0x800076c
 DIAG 10 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/15%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 trap 14 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/32%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 SESS 15 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/36%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 SOCK 16 ( 0%) 160 464 4 8 (12284/ 6%/29%) Suspend 0x800076c
 COMM 17 ( 0%) 674 674 0 1 (12284/ 2%/33%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 EAPR 18 ( 0%) 58 1110 0 20 (12284/ 3%/17%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 VLAN 20 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/12%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 APPT 22 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 ctic 23 ( 0%) 1967 9848 8 28 (12284/ 2%/17%) Ready 0x800076c
 Inet 24 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/24%) Suspend 0x800076c
 BDMT 27 ( 0%) 16 31 0 2 (12284/ 2%/12%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 BDQT 28 ( 0%) 1765 5252 0 20 (12284/ 2%/15%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 FECT 29 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 AUTH 31 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/11%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 SNMP 32 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/40%) Suspend 0x800076c
 teln 34 ( 0%) 28 111 0 4 (12284/ 6%/29%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL1 35 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL2 36 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL3 37 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 TEL4 38 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 FTPs 39 ( 0%) 28 111 0 4 (12284/ 7%/31%) Suspend 0x800076c
 GPSO 42 ( 0%) 177 577 0 6 (12284/ 2%/28%) Ready 0x800076c
 GPSI 43 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendSem 0x800076c
 NTP 44 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/33%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 NTPS 45 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 3%/11%) Suspend 0x800076c
 ROOT 46 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/40%) Suspend 0x800076c
 UPDT 48 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/16%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 HTTP 50 ( 0%) 29 114 0 4 (12284/ 7%/52%) Suspend 0x800076c
 PROX 51 (99%) 69800 1959100 52 52 (12284/ 7%/31%) Ready 0x800054c
 HTUN 52 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 7%/32%) Ready 0x800076c
 TFT0 53 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) PendQ 0x800076c
 nvrm 55 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 9%) PendEvFlgGrp 0x800076c
 PING 56 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/ 8%) Suspend 0x800076c
 LLDT 57 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 (12284/ 2%/12%) Ready 0x800076c
 STAT 60 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 ( 8192/ 3%/17%) Ready 0x800076c
 IDLE 61 ( 0%) 0 0 0 0 ( 8192/ 3%/17%) Ready 0x800054c
 PRI PC ID
 
 5 0800076c 0
 6 0800076c 1
 51 0800054c 2
 28 0800076c 3
 51 0800054c 4
 18 0800076c 5
 23 0800076c 6
 51 0800054c 7
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 50

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

2014-11-14 Thread timothy steele via Af
Think it was build 25 on the AP yeah it needs updated just wanted to be sure 
all the other installers out there knew I almost did not do the install

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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 What beta version is on the AP?  There was an issue with early beta release 
 and RF speedtest that was addressed in later (should have been 28 and onward) 
 beta loads.
 Please get your sector all up onto 13.2 official if you are on the beta, then 
 retry the scenario and if it still happens, please send me a CNUT capture of 
 the SM.
 Regards,
 -Aaron
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 4:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Cc: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official
 I think someone else already said this but 13.2 final on SM with beta on AP 
 the SM will reboot it self when you do a cap test this is the same bug I 
 reported on build 35
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 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af 
 af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 There was a decision made when we added 2.5 center channels that on upgrade 
 we wouldn’t automatically check the 2.5 centers unless the scan list was in a 
 default (all checked) state.  We didn’t want to add a ton of new scan options 
 on an upgrade which increased the scanning time.   When setting a unit that 
 is on a load that supports 2.5M centers to default, then all (including 2.5 
 centers) should be selected.
 We are still investigating, but likely this has something to do with what 
 Ryan was seeing when others weren’t seeing the same behavior.
 -Aaron
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
 Broadcasting) via Af
 Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 12:58 PM
 To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official
 I'm trying to remember.. did the 2.4 450 have 2.5 centers from day one? I 
 think the last time I got some new SMs in, they had either 12.0.x or 12.1.x 
 on them and none of the 2.5 centers were checked after updating to 13.x. So 
 maybe the safest approach from now on is to enable everything in the scan 
 list automatically during/after update? Then tell everyone in the release 
 notes about it. You'd be surprised at how many of us fully read the release 
 notes now. OK, at least I do.
 On 11/14/2014 11:28 AM, Rajesh Vijayakumar via Af wrote:
 Its good to get confirmation of multiple successful upgrades with 2.4 GHz.
 We have not been able to recreate the problem yet. The test team is trying a 
 number of combinations of upgrade/downgrade.
 --Rajesh Vijayakumar
 Cambium Networks
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af 
 af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 Any changes/improvements in the Rate Adapt?
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Bill Prince via Af 
 af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 As mentioned in another thread, we upgraded a bunch of PMP430 installations 
 last night.   Something that I wasn't expecting was an immediate improvement 
 in the SNR (typical example below).  This was pretty much across the board 
 excepting installations that already had really good SNR.
 Thanks Cambium!
 image001.png
 bp
 part-15@SkylineBroadbandService
 On 11/13/2014 5:12 AM, Matt Mangriotis via Af wrote:
 It is here!
 We released 13.2 this morning officially.  Come to our forum to discuss 
 anything about it.
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-2-Now-Avaialable/m-p/36254/thread-id/278
 Download the software from the usual place on our support site:
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
 Thanks to all of you that Beta tested this software with us, and helped to 
 make it stronger and better than ever.  Now that this is here, we’re hard at 
 work on delivering the next round of enhancements (code name 13.3 (pretty 
 original, huh?)) which are right around the corner.
 The momentum is building on the PMP 450 platform.
 Thanks again,
 Matt

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

2014-11-13 Thread timothy steele via Af
Sweet!

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Matt Mangriotis via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 It is here!
 We released 13.2 this morning officially.  Come to our forum to discuss 
 anything about it.
 http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/System-Release-13-2-Now-Avaialable/m-p/36254/thread-id/278
 Download the software from the usual place on our support site:
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/
 Thanks to all of you that Beta tested this software with us, and helped to 
 make it stronger and better than ever.  Now that this is here, we’re hard at 
 work on delivering the next round of enhancements (code name 13.3 (pretty 
 original, huh?)) which are right around the corner.
 The momentum is building on the PMP 450 platform.
 Thanks again,
 Matt

Re: [AFMUG] System Release 13.2 is Official

2014-11-13 Thread timothy steele via Af
 move the tabs in more convenient spots like you did in 13.2

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:

 I say do a quick spin of 13.1.3 (13.1.3.1?) for FSK to fix the 2.4 None 
 issue. Seems like the simplest solution.
 On 11/13/2014 4:56 PM, Matt via Af wrote:
 For the questions about 13.2 being for PMP100, the answer is no.  And I
 can’t comment quite yet on any possible upcoming releases for the PMP100.
 The main thing that comes to mind regarding 13.1.3 on PMP100 is the
 lack of being able to set carrier frequency to none on a disabled AP.
 Otherwise what would 13.2 really bring PMP100?  As recently as 6
 months ago I believe we purchased new FSK 2.4 SM's though.  We have
 MANY MANY in the field yet.

[AFMUG] Can anyone service this area?

2014-11-13 Thread timothy steele via Af
I'm told there are a bunch of million dollor homes in this area

 3771 edgewater way Louisville TN

I'm also told they are willing to pay anything for good service all they
can get right now is Satellite internet

if not  you can BH a link to a near by area let me know as there is
someone wanting me to consult/Help them get somthing going in there area if
there are no WISP's already in the area

Thanks,


Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 Issue (Removing frequency checkboxes)

2014-11-13 Thread timothy steele via Af
Yeah I noticed that same with 5Ghz looks like they unchecked the rarely used 
channels in SM with 13.2 programmer was probably thinking he was helping but 
lots are going to complain 

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Ryan Ray via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Just did a 200 group of SM's and the upgrade has removed frequencies that
 were previously checked. I followed the guide and did the SM's first and
 AP's last. Luckily the majority of these can see another AP but what the
 fuck...
 About half of these SM's were on 13.2(34) and the other half were on
 13.1.3...
 This is what it looks like after an update
 [image: Inline image 1]
 Pre update they were all
 [image: Inline image 2]
 URG

Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter

2014-11-13 Thread timothy steele via Af
I want to see UBNT  Cambium both announce that they are going to add a fiber 
port to their higher end radios 

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On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Yes, Fiber.
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter
 And Fiber Sterling?
 -Original Message-
 From: Jay Weekley via Af
 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:29 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter
 MDU deployment. Wired and wireless.
 Jason Petrillo via Af wrote:

 So that is what it takes to get your attention…


 As has been mentioned several times in the recent past we are working 
 on the Animal Farm 9 agenda.  We could really use some input from you 
 the participants in this process.  Currently I am counting on the 
 usual suspect to show their wares in a similar fashion to what they 
 have done in the past. Beyond that I would ask what would you like to learn 
 more about?
 Panel discussions?  How to meet girls? How to pick the perfect 
 emoticon to best capture mood and intonation?  I’m open to anything 
 and would be happy to chase down industry experts to enlighten us all.

 Thoughts?

 If you would rather not respond to the group with your suggestions 
 please feel free to contact me at ja...@cni.net mailto:ja...@cni.net 
 or 360.442.4414.

 Thanks,

 Jason Petrillo

 Last Mile Gear


[AFMUG] Cambium SM DMZ

2014-11-11 Thread timothy steele via Af
So.. we want to DMZ the first IP from the SM's NAT so the Router is DMZ'd
but when I set DMZ IP to .2 it gives a warrning conflict that it is in the
DHCP Pool.. am I doing somthing wrong or is it just a security warrning?

Thanks,


Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SM DMZ

2014-11-11 Thread timothy steele via Af
Thanks seems to be working...

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 That's the way we do it.  I wish it was the default, but the software in
 the SM gives you a warning that you can safely ignore.

 bp
 part-15@SkylineBroadbandService


 On 11/11/2014 7:03 AM, timothy steele via Af wrote:

 So.. we want to DMZ the first IP from the SM's NAT so the Router is DMZ'd
 but when I set DMZ IP to .2 it gives a warrning conflict that it is in the
 DHCP Pool.. am I doing somthing wrong or is it just a security warrning?

 Thanks,





[AFMUG] PMP450/100 NAT Performance

2014-11-10 Thread timothy steele via Af
how big of a performance hit are you guys seeing with the new 450 Beta with
SM's running in NAT Mode?

Also what performance hit are you seeing with PMP100 with NAT mode on?

Thanks,


Re: [AFMUG] PMP450/100 NAT Performance

2014-11-10 Thread timothy steele via Af
Thanks Sean!

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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Pmp100 doesn't have any NAT mode problem because the air interface doesn't
 do more than 10ish Mbps download.  The 430/450s had problems around 15mbps
 but I think 13.2 now gets NAT download speeds of 50ish Mbps or more.
 On Monday, November 10, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 how big of a performance hit are you guys seeing with the new 450 Beta
 with SM's running in NAT Mode?

 Also what performance hit are you seeing with PMP100 with NAT mode on?

 Thanks,


Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords

2014-11-10 Thread timothy steele via Af
The cross over cable just makes it idiot proof so you know power is being 
flipped just by looking at it but yes you can just flip the pins on 1 side

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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Power Cambium from a Microtik POE switch?
 Christopher Tyler via Af wrote:
 Switch outs.  Sometimes you visit a customer and change them from Cambium to 
 UBNT or vice-versa and they are not home so you have no access to the power 
 supply.  So with a crossover you just leave the old power supply and put up 
 the new radio.

 Bench testing radios, less clutter if you have a universal power supply.

 I'm sure there are other uses, these are but a few that come to mind.


[AFMUG] good fiber supply source?

2014-11-08 Thread timothy steele via Af
Found this link on a diffrent forum.. the rates really seem lower then
others?

http://www.comstarsupply.com/


Re: [AFMUG] AF5/24 errors

2014-11-06 Thread timothy steele via Af
Is there a bug with microtik switches?

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On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 5:59 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:

 Found this interesting. I have some AF24's on 2.0 and AF5's on 
 2.2-beta3. They work fine. If I do a Tools  Discovery, the MT ethernet 
 counters on both sides will increment FCS and Code errors. Same thing 
 happens if I run some pings between the radios (not router to router, 
 radio to radio). I'm guessing this because of the switching method the 
 AF's use (cut-through?).

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

2014-11-01 Thread timothy steele via Af
Bullet unless your talking about the smaller nanobeam

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On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What is the antenna/radio second from the left in the lineup picture under
 the Hardware Accelerated Performance section?  Right next to the Nanobeam.
 http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/
 On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Doesn't exist until proven otherwise.  ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
 https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
 https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
 https://twitter.com/ICSIL

 --
 *From: *Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Saturday, November 1, 2014 12:45:16 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Ubiquiti AC

 Has anyone heard of a timeline on the availability of ptmp AC in
 Ubiquiti's lineup?

 -Jason



Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta

2014-10-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
There still working on 1 bug only 1 company is seeing last I heard build 35 is 
the most stable firmware I've seen so I'm sure official will not be too much 
longer but probably faster if more would test build 35 on AP's to track down 
this 1 bug

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta

2014-10-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
Arron awesome to hear..

I have not tested this on build 35 but has the issue of the SM not showing a 
dropped link until a link capacity test due to there was no data flowing been 
addressed yet? If not can we get a sight survey mode that dose a continuas link 
capacity test at the same time showing you real time signal so we can properly 
install antenna's?




Thanks,




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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Build 35 took care of the AP Ethernet hangup, which was the main one being 
 worked during Wispapalooza.  There will be a Build 36 put on Open Beta 
 probably tomorrow in which we were able to fix for some of the old nagging 
 rare and random crashes that have been seen in previous releases.
 Our current plan is to release next week.
 Regards,
 -Aaron
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:50 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Cc: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 13.2(Build 35) Open Beta
 There still working on 1 bug only 1 company is seeing last I heard build 35 
 is the most stable firmware I've seen so I'm sure official will not be too 
 much longer but probably faster if more would test build 35 on AP's to track 
 down this 1 bug
 —
 Sent from Mailboxhttps://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
 On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Matt via Af 
 af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote:
 Are we going to get 13.2 official this week?

Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo

2014-10-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
IBM still in tech they are working on a new hard drive that is smaller then a 
SSD and will never die

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Very sad.  That's what happens sometimes when you turn the company over to 
 junior.  Now that IBM has sold off their hardware businesses, they aren't 
 even a technology company any longer.  
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber 
 Broadcasting) via Af
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:02 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
  
 Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name to Motorola 
 Solutions while selling off pieces.
 On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
   http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860
   �
   Rory Conaway
   Triad Wireless
   4226 S. 37th Street
   Phoenix, Az.� 85040
   602-426-0542
   r...@triadwireless.net
   www.triadwireless.net
   �
  

Re: [AFMUG] Punch down

2014-10-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
We need fiber on AP not a punch down

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Punch downs are only good for a relatively limited number of cycles (way 
 less than an RJ45).  So punch downs are good when you expect the 
 connection to be good for the duration (like usually years).  If you 
 expect to make/break the connection a few times, you would not use a 
 punch down.
 bp
 On 10/30/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
 Wear and tear?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

 
 *From: *Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:18:55 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Punch down

 F that.

 Wear and tear on CPEs.

 We don't use them, but many swear they will only let their installers 
 use EZ-RJ45. If that's the case, I wouldn't want those people punching 
 down radios.

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

 On 10/30/2014 01:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

 What do you guys think of punching down on radios, PoE, etc.? I
 saw a radio at WISPAPALOOZA that had you punch down the wires onto
 the radio's circuit board. Seems like it would cut down on any
 issues of the RJ45 coming undone. What pitfalls would there be?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL




Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo

2014-10-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
Nope YouTube it really cool stuff

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Sent from Mailbox

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 If you are talking about that stamp thing from several years ago, I thought 
 it was dead.
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:32 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Cc: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
  
 IBM still in tech they are working on a new hard drive that is smaller then a 
 SSD and will never die
 —
 Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox  
  
 On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
   Very sad.  That’s what happens sometimes when you turn the company over 
 to junior.  Now that IBM has sold off their hardware businesses, they aren’t 
 even a technology company any longer.  

   Rory

   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup 
 (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
   Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:02 PM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo

   Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name to 
 Motorola Solutions while selling off pieces.
   
   On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
   http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860
   �
   Rory Conaway
   Triad Wireless
   4226 S. 37th Street
   Phoenix, Az.� 85040
   602-426-0542
   r...@triadwireless.net
   www.triadwireless.net
   �

  

Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo

2014-10-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/04/ibm-wants-to-kill-the-hard-drive/

IBM wants to kill the hard drive it invented


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On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 They have been working on that for 10 years.  I think fusion will get here 
 faster.
  
 Rory
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:59 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Cc: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo
  
 Nope YouTube it really cool stuff
 —
 Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox  
  
 On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
   If you are talking about that stamp thing from several years ago, I 
 thought it was dead.

   Rory

   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via 
 Af
   Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:32 PM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Cc: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo

   IBM still in tech they are working on a new hard drive that is smaller 
 then a SSD and will never die
   
   —
   Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox  

   On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com 
 wrote:
   Very sad.  That’s what happens sometimes when you turn the 
 company over to junior.  Now that IBM has sold off their hardware businesses, 
 they aren’t even a technology company any longer.  

   Rory

   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George 
 Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
   Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 12:02 PM
   To: af@afmug.com
   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motorola just sold to Lenovo

   Yeah, Motorola Mobility. Old news. Motorola changed its name 
 to Motorola Solutions while selling off pieces.
   
   On 10/30/2014 1:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:
   
 http://news.lenovo.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1860
   �
   Rory Conaway
   Triad Wireless
   4226 S. 37th Street
   Phoenix, Az.� 85040
   602-426-0542
   r...@triadwireless.net
   www.triadwireless.net
   �


  

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method?

2014-10-29 Thread timothy steele via Af
Yes 450 only

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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:45 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is the focus ring a 450 only product? Epmp?
 On Oct 28, 2014 7:50 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  The old ones (with the screw in the back) needed some double-stick tape
 to hold them in place.  We found they wanted to twist or ride up like
 cheap undershorts.

 The new ones (without the screw) seem to fit pretty snuggly.  We still put
 some double stick (outdoor flavor) under the tab at the top.

 The ones we've re-visited seem to be staying on.

 bp

 On 10/28/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:

  Are you supposed to add some kind of adhesive to keep the focus ring
 from blowing off?



 *-Peter*




Re: [AFMUG] Idea's wanted for findmehighspeed

2014-10-29 Thread timothy steele via Af
Done.. whats next?

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Tim,



 Shoot me a e-mail and I can get you the logo etc for towercoverage.com.  J



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
 --

 *From: *timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com

 *Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com

 *Date: *Tue, 28 Oct 2014 01:50:47 +

 *To: *af@afmug.comaf@afmug.com

 *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com

 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Idea's wanted for findmehighspeed



 Findmehighspeed.com was getting a lot of hits for new sign-ups when it
 first started now it has slowed down I'm up for your idea's



 I would like to keep the service free



 connect users to as many WISP's in there area as possible



 1 idea would be to have the contact form send a email direct to this list

 that is up to paul if he wants that..





 What Direction would you like findmehighspeed.com to take?



 let me know..



 Thanks,



Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork

2014-10-29 Thread timothy steele via Af
going Digital is note that hard now days all you have to do is get youre
Techs Galaxy Note Phones with a PDF Editor app have them Sign the PDF have
tech email a copy to billing.. then billing can e-mail copy to customer or
mail with next bill..

not sure what about that needs a plan..

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Adobe is roughly $15/user/mth

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  Or check out open esignforms for free :)

 http://open.esignforms.com/



 On 10/29/2014 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

  I wonder how much the e-signing companies charge per document?

 VoIP Innovations and Lease Corp both use e-signing services and I like
 it.  Makes it seem very professional, even though basically you are just
 clicking to sign.  It’s nice to be able to use the link and go back later
 and see what you signed.  Kind of like Dropbox for contracts.


  *From:* Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork

   Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it.  The
 concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders.  Our
 agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages
 as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have
 an email of it.  Thanks again for the feedback.

 Thank you,
 Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
 Royell Communications, Inc.
 217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork

  we normally get ours signed ahead of time
 We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled
 out they rarely made it back to the shop
 We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures,
 even if its just a tablet upload as a file.

 I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed
 ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the
 terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation.

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting
 me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad.  He stood there killing time for
 154 minutes while I read the agreement.  Apparently they count on people
 not reading what they sign.  Also it seems like the time to get it signed
 was BEFORE he did the work.

 So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or
 provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the
 installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other
 than nitpicking your install work).  It's a waste of time to have your
 installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement.



 -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork


 So the going paperless is way easier than you think.

 Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer.
 Your contract is probably already in PDF form.  Create Information
 boxes and add a signature field.  This can be done with Acrobat reader
 I think.  They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail
 them in at the end of the day.  The installer can even e-mail a copy
 to the customer right there while they are still onsite.  (two things
 good about that.  You know you have the right e-mail address and the
 installer knows that the internet is working).

 If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them
 at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office.

 No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic
 forever they were not designed for that environment.  (cheaper in the
 long run to go paperless sooner than later)...

 Sincerely,

 Jason Pond

 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Quick poll question...  For those of you still using paper in the field
 for
 your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the
 vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend?  We
 use a
 basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the
 paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field.  However,
 they
 are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs.  I’ve
 even had
 them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a
 mustard
 packet inside them.  Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at
 this
 point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until
 then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field?

 Thank you,
 Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
 Royell Communications, Inc.
 217-965-3699 www.royell.net






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 All parts 

Re: [AFMUG] Experience with Sandvine and or other DPI network appliances

2014-10-28 Thread timothy steele via Af
Powercode/procera prob best optionNETEQ is a little more simple but dose a lot 
less




Pfsense with Ntop would be a free option but 99% more manual labor involved 


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On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:17 PM, Stu Thom via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We are a 1500 customer WISP that has been using Sandvine for the past
 year for DPI and traffic prioritization. This has allowed us to change
 to a different business model selling services instead of Mbps. These
 are our residential tiers:
 http://www.webformix.com/residential-services/
 This is our fairshare policy:
 http://www.webformix.com/fairshare-policy/
 While is a bit of a vague post, any thoughts? Is anyone else running
 DPI boxes? I have seen the name Procera come up on the list and we did
 speak with them a bit when looking around at this project.
 Migrating customers from Mbps to our new tiers has been a long road,
 but we have had very positive results internally and from our
 customers. A very small handful of cancellations. 2-3 maybe?

Re: [AFMUG] 450 bh trick?

2014-10-21 Thread timothy steele via Af
Try the 13.2 firmware? Spectrum scan looking good?

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 No they were 230s on there before and I did try to re-aim them both up and 
 down and side to side signal was a -59 in backhaul master evalbut it kept 
 saying BER rate and told it to rescan
 Sent from my iPhone
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:43, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 Dishes has 100 replaced with 450 and no re aim? Point dish up a few degrees 
 on each end
 
 —
 Sent from Mailbox
 
 
 On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 We have put up our first pair of backhaul 450 radios today 5.5 mile wink 
 signal before was a -51 on both ends dishes did not get repointed just 
 replace the radios 
 The radio see each other at a -59 signal but they will not connect up says 
 that the BER is too high 
 This is from a water tower to a 600 foot communications tower that is easy 
 line of sight from 40 feet lower on each end 
 Is there a special trick to making these radios connect? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT airview won't run

2014-10-21 Thread timothy steele via Af
I have not seen that issue but I use Firefox for UBNT stuff.. There where bug  
fixes for that in 5.6 beta5 I think you might try that

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Craig Baird via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Is Airview giving anyone else Java related grief?  I've got 5.5.10 on  
 the radio, and when trying to run Airview, it pops an Unable to  
 launch error.  I've googled for solutions, and so far nothing pans  
 out.  Using the latest Java 8.  In the past, it appears that the  
 solution to this problem was to drop Java security to medium.  Oracle  
 appears to have removed that option in recent versions.  Now you can  
 only select High or Very High.  However, you're supposed to be  
 able to accomplish the same thing by putting the URL into the  
 exception list.  I've done that, but to no avail.  I've also tried it  
 on a PC running Java 7 with the same results.
 Does anyone have a solution to this?
 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

2014-10-21 Thread timothy steele via Af
A POE powered fiber to POE media converter that gets its power and sync from a 
sync injector and has a weather proof enclosure 


There you go Forrest A product that you need at least 2 at every tower


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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:22 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 A microtik cloud router with sync injector  POE ports 
 —
 Sent from Mailbox
 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af
 af@afmug.com wrote:
 A 12 - 24 port switch that you can sync whatever or POE whatever, software 
 configurable.
 I would expect it to be expensive…
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
 Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2014 1:09 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
  
 Even a 12+4 would be great
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Cc: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
  
 A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
 that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites
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 On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  +1 to that. 
  
 
  From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
 [af@afmug.com]
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
  You know what I really need more than anything else?
  
  I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can 
 toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. 
 Maybe two models, an 8 device and a 16 device model (16/32 ports).
  
  Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make 
 that maybe 3 models.
  
  This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control 
 over each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and 
 that's pretty much it.
  Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
  SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
  It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages 
 out to the list. 
   
  With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is 
 time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
   
  We've got several products at various stages of completion, but 
 almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
 products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering 
 instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have 
 appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
 voltmeter/shunt input modules.
   
  So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products 
 PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly 
 looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your 
 tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these 
 product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to 
 throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of 
 PacketFlux fitting into.
   
  One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one 
 tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
 conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power 
 injection, fiber conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am 
 aware of that desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something 
 like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's 
 a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need 
 I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack 
 and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off 
 for us.
   
  So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a 
 couple and run with them.
   
  -forrest
   
   
   
   
   
  

[AFMUG] wireless installer app

2014-10-20 Thread timothy steele via Af
anyone using the wireless installer app by deliberant? I can't get it to
import my KMZ

https://www.deliberant.com/installer-app


[AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

2014-10-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on 
outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order 
fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket?
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Re: [AFMUG] DFS issues

2014-10-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
If your not near a radar do 4ft  vertical separation on 5.2's make sure they 
are not seeing anything UBNT running in 5,2

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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 We are starting to see a lot more DFS detections on 5.2 AP's.  We never used 
 to have this problem.  Recent upgrades to firmware seem to be making this a 
 more sensitive detection.  I have one tower tonight with 6 new FSK sectors 
 that are on abcabc layout.  The sectors in this layout have radar detection 
 on this tower at various times in the last 20 minutes on both sector c radios 
 and on the second sector B.  I am also seeing this happen on towers where we 
 have recently replaced connectorized AP's due to lightining damage where it 
 was not a problem before.  we are running 13.1.3 on all of these radios.  
 What are my options here.  I cant just stop using 5.2 for APs???
 Craig

Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

2014-10-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
Here is a link to the coax cable with power wires I'm taking about that I want  
done on fiber

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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on 
 outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order 
 fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket?
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Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

2014-10-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
Forgot to attach link..






http://m.grainger.com/mobile/product/CAROL-Coaxial-And-Power-Cable-1ATG8

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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:02 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on 
 outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order 
 fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket?
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Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

2014-10-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go 
down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry 


No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers




You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight





It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its 
power from the power wires




It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made


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On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price.
 On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
  I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra
 copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's
 possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its
 own jacket?

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Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?

2014-10-18 Thread timothy steele via Af
Got a fusion splicer so that would work way more pricey then I expected though

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On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 So I found out through my Commscope friend that only supplies ATT (lush
 job), he told me that they are all custom built to order, the price is
 typically about $5-8/ft depending on size of the copper wire or depending
 on the amount of fiber.  He told me that they don't usually sell it the way
 we would want it, unterminated, a big roll, etc.
 Regards,
 Chuck
 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are
 going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start
 seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable.


 On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price
 will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry

 No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers

 You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line
 of sight

 It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and
 get its power from the power wires

 It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be
 made

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 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price.

 On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

  I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra
 copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's
 possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its
 own jacket?

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[AFMUG] Google trying to open new frequency

2014-10-16 Thread timothy steele via Af
Google working with FCC to open new unused frequency for wifi link below..




http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/16/google-wireless-testing-application/
Google's plan for super-fast internet: tap unused airwaves

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Re: [AFMUG] ubnt air select

2014-10-14 Thread timothy steele via Af
5.5.10 opens the 5.1 band you might not need to hop if you upgrade firmware

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  s/SINCGARS

 ugh, no more emails for me today... throwing in the towel :/

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 10/14/2014 07:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

 It's not like a SCINGARS  hop/10ms or anything. You can try pushing it
 till around 15/1500, but the biggest problem is that clients who drop
 association for whatever reason will have problems reconnecting if given
 only a short window to authenticate and sync.

 I hop I was fairly clear in what I just said. It's early Vegas time and
 there were a lot of open bars and drinks exchanged last night...

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 10/14/2014 07:40 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:

 You've got your hop time and hello count.

 Hello needs to be roughly 1/100th of your hop count, but anything shorter
 than 30/3000 will often have issues. Yes, the radio will hop every
 period, ideally to the channels that aren't on the naughty list.

 Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
  On 10/14/2014 07:36 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

 5.5.8
 Im leery of a week old UBNT load. I put it on one backhaul and had an
 issue with it getting power from a toughswitch, but havent had a chance to
 see if it is one off or can be replicated.

  I dont care if I can define the hops or not, it shouldnt be hopping
 every single hopping period as far as I know, if theyre trying to mimic
 FHSS then the hopping sequence needs to be randomized and much much quicker

 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 Are you using 5.5.10? The frequency hope supposed to be user defined

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  On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:53 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com
 wrote:

 .
 i tried this a long time ago, it just hopped constantly

  so i figured after a couple years they must have gotten it to work, so
 I turned it on on a 5ghz backhaul and selected the default list.

  Its hopping like once every second, does it go through a series of
 hops before it stabilizes or is it still UBNT unicorn sausage?

  --
  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





  --
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925







Re: [AFMUG] Remote WiFi Management Solution

2014-10-13 Thread timothy steele via Af
What brand are your SM's? If ubnt Airgateway

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On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Christopher Hair via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Anyone out there offering a WiFi service with  management  to their
 subscriber base?  In the past we have just sold our subscribers a WiFi
 router only to end up providing free support for it later down the road. So
 as a test we started to offer a monthly WiFi service to see how it would be
 accepted and to our surprise the majority of our new subscribers are opting
 for the monthly service versus purchasing the router out right. 
  
 So now we are looking for a solution to easily provision and manage
 subscriber WiFi routers remotely. I had heard that ReadyNet offers such a
 product but have been unsuccessful in contacting their sales staff. Any
 suggestions or lessons learned that anyone could share would be greatly
 appreciated.
  
  
 
 .
 NTI
 Christopher Hair 
 NTInet Inc. 
 2033 St. Matthews Road
 Orangeburg, SC 29118
 V: 803.533-1660 Ext: 203
 M: 803.937.4953
 Web:  http://www.ntinet.com/ www.ntinet.com
 Email:  mailto:%20ch...@ntinet.com ch...@ntinet.com 
  

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build34) Beta Software is Now Available!‏‏

2014-10-09 Thread timothy steele via Af
Can you define heavy IP environment? Dose that only apply to routed mode or 
also IP's flowing over a bridge? 

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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 AF Users,
 13.2 (Build 34) is now available.
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/beta
 Please download it and let us know what you think.
 We expect this to be the LAST Open Beta version of 13.2.
 We are wrapping up this release and have a general question to the Open Beta 
 Users.
 For all the users that are using 13.2 (Build 30) and newer, please let me 
 know how many of these APs are in heavy IP traffic environments.
 Best,
 Cambium Jonathan

Re: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!

2014-10-08 Thread timothy steele via Af
If you turn Airmax off on your UBNT AP's you can slowly swap all CPE's to Epmp 
then change AP to Epmp that is what wifi mode is for

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On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 What is the perceived application for the SM operating in standard WiFi mode ?
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:09 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] New ePMP Beta Software 2.3-RC10 available!
 Folks,
 ePMP Beta software 2.3-RC10 is now available for download here: 
 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp
 System Release 2.3 adds the following features:
 * 5 MHz and 10 MHz channel bandwidth support
 o   Max number of subscribers is limited to 30 for 5MHz and 60 for 10 MHz
 * SM Wi-Fi mode support (Only 20 MHz and 40 MHz channel bandwidths)
 o   SM can operate in standard Wi-Fi mode
 * Broadcast Traffic Shaping (Limiting)
 o   Ability to limit the number of broadcast packets per second
 * Multicast VLAN and Prioritization
 o   Multicast VLAN support with prioritization
 o   Ability to leave/join multicast groups and limit number of multicast 
 groups to up to 5 groups
 o   Support for IGMPv3 snooping
 * CLI access via ssh (default credentials: admin/admin)
 * Option to set SM Max Tx power manually
 Please post any feedback on the ePMP Beta Forum!
 http://epmpbeta.community.cambiumnetworks.com/
 Thanks,
 Sriram

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

2014-10-06 Thread timothy steele via Af
I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:

 150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5.
 Each wire is rated at  .577 amps.  Ignoring other concerns, this means at
 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire.  If you are
 sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this
 means you only have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no
 margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for the return
 path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up
 a CAT5 cable and return it via ground.
 Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me.  A
 LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc
 Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs, and
 51W for four.  This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec.   I guess if
 you're returning on ground, you can also get 102W.
 Right now I'm focusing on the 50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more).
 -forrest
 On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
 use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.



 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

 What radio needs 150w?



 Gino A. Villarini
 President
 Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
 www.aeronetpr.com
 @aeronetpr



 From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:
 af@afmug.com
 Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:
 af@afmug.com
 Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
 To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:
 af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

 This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD
 on right now.

 The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when
 factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.
 150W gets very expensive quickly.

 As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.

 I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want
 to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is
 quite crowded.

 -forrest

 On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com
 mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

 Our infrastructure sites look like this:

 Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
 - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
 - PoE Injectors
 - Switch / Router

 PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.


 pipe dream
 I know this probably is not feasible but
 What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
 web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
 to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
 for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
 need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
 Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
 there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
 outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
 replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
 a din rail in a box.
 /pipe dream



 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000



 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

 It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
 out to the list.

 With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is
 time for me to decide which products will be next out the door
 at PacketFlux.

 We've got several products at various stages of completion,
 but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects
 - the type of products we complete just because they help fill
 out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue
 from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website
 recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
 voltmeter/shunt input modules.

 So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products
 PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm
 particularly looking for products which if they existed would
 go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every
 customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out
 there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas
 out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
 PacketFlux fitting 

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

2014-10-05 Thread timothy steele via Af
768k for video stream? I thought that would only do the lowest quality Netflix 
and that's talking 5 years ago

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On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 We had no choice after deploying the 450 and offering up a handful of 
 capacity for a competitive rate which basically put us at capacity in 
 less than 6 months with out the numbers we wanted to see. So, since we 
 had not raised rates in 10yrs we had no choice but to regroup and look 
 at how we compare to our local cable. Really we have the upper hand 
 because of what we do as a wireless
 industry. The whole hybrid solution is the key. Basically WIsps offer 
 fiber to  the home via fixed connections from a fiber carrier. Cable 
 isnt even close due to the party line affect. Cambium gives us a 
 scheduler that enables a VC per sub so we can imitate carrier class 
 connections for a much lower price than what a carrier would serve while 
 still making money doing it.
   So we can market a wonderful new buzz word called hybrid until it dies 
 we will roll with it but so far the response has been very positive for 
 the new price plans we now offer. Our 5x5 plan is a 5Mbs/5Mbs Down/Up 
 for $75.00 monthly.  We limit our basic which is 3x1 @ $50.00 to only 
 one video stream @ 768k per one device per account.
 On 10/4/2014 7:27 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
 i rarely have good to say about the way my boss runs things, but he is 
 a magician at the rate plan changes. we have never directly raise 
 prices, for the most part we have always either kept them the same 
  price or lowered the cost to stay where you are at. usually any rate 
 plan changes come with the option to get more for less, knowing full 
 well that they ultimately will move up a tier in the future because 
 they want more. since we quit directly selling the speed and moved to 
 consumption based pricing it gives a lot more leverage to make global 
 changes with a limited demand increase on the infrastructure. It costs 
 us alot less to offer more consumption than to offer more speed, and 
 everything is moving to consumption based anyway, whether you like it 
 or not. our absolute lowest tier is marketed as an email only plan 
 with a 5gb cap to throttled speed. but we actually moved it to 10gb 
 because there were too many hitting 6gb that would have needed to move 
 up a tier just to get an extra gb, easier to raise it for free, and we 
 still get about a 50% take rate to the next tier anyway.  things like 
 that are how we are able to raise prices without actually raising 
 prices. Because of it, even though we went through a negative customer 
 growth (i like that buzz word) our profits increased, and now that we 
 are on a positive customer growth trend, that profit increases quickly 
 which is why we just dropped over 100k buying up the available 320 
 market at the time (yeah, we were one of the ones that helped cause 
 that). I wish I could provide the specific details of the two major 
 rate changes in the last five years, because they were both pretty 
 ingenious, ultimately getting customers to thank you for raising their 
 prices, just by giving them ownership of the decision.

 On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, David Milholen via Af af@afmug.com 
 mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

 This is what we have done..


 On 10/4/2014 4:02 PM, Jon Langeler via Af wrote:
 Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to
 overhaul the network with faster options before charging more.
 But definitely charge more as opposed to going cheaper. Markets
 may vary...

 Jon


 On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com
 mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

 Very good input from all of you!

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
 Hohhof via Af
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

 Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the
 Internet after all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until
 it’s free, right?  We haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we
 are feeling some pressure to lower prices about 10%, I guess
 that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t have
 too much of that problem.

 JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.
 They do have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine
 print though.

 One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise
 you just look more expensive in a comparison. (And people do
 compare prices, even if the other guys can’t get them service.) 
 Another school of thought is, if you do a price increase, make
 it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  Although
 that never seems to stop the cable companies. Another school of
 thought is to make it look like 

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

2014-10-05 Thread timothy steele via Af
Somthing easy to make that gets asked for on the list I noticed would be a POE 
Y cable that would allow you to put 2 radios on a customers house/tower with 
only 1 cable going into the house

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On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power 
 supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, 
 router, power injection with fiber conversion.
 Seriously, I  would  think that if you adopted some of  features RMS has that 
 you do not have it could  help.  
 Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot ping 
 google for 15 minutes.  I dunno, just brainstorming a bit.  I personally 
 always want more telemetry,  more voltage inputs.  More isolation on the 
 voltage inputs.  
 Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff?  
 Competitor jammer.
 Pan tilt rifle remote.
 Active denial  transmitter.
 AP seeking missile launcher.
 From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
 Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM
 To: af 
 Subject: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
 It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. 
 With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
 decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
 We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
 them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
 complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
 expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on 
 the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
 voltmeter/shunt input modules.
 So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
 build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
 products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
 even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
 there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
 outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
 One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device 
 which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
 charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
 conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
 desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
 there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
 version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
 about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
 everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
 So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
 them.
 -forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

2014-10-05 Thread timothy steele via Af
No switching needed DIY would be to use 3 wire scotch locks on all wires at the 
top then you would have 2 ends at top and 1 end at bottom as I'm typing this 
I'm realizing the issues doing it that way but you can figure it out I'm sure..

—
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On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a 
 built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE.  
  
 We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.  It's 
 not pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is $200.
 Mark
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
 Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.


With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.


We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on 
the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
voltmeter/shunt input modules.


So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.


One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device 
which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.


So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.


-forrest






[AFMUG] Munin

2014-10-04 Thread timothy steele via Af
Guys on the UBNT forums have made a plugin for munin to monitor UBNT devices 
have any of you used munin?






http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airOS-Software-Configuration/Now-with-SSH-support-AirOS-plugin-for-Munin-monitoring/td-p/469169
—
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Re: [AFMUG] New PMP beta load 13.2 Build 30 available!

2014-09-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
? There is A beta out that has that? I'm confused now—
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:48 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:

 Build 30 has that.
 On 9/30/2014 3:23 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
 An upcoming release is supposed to have a pre-populated list of 
 channels, but you'll still be able to add the custom frequencies if 
 you need/want to.

 I don't recall which version is supposed to have that.


 Why do we have to enter custom frequencies for 365?

 Also 365 SM's seem to get stuck when doing a site survey it will link 
 at -75 then don't matter if you put the SM on ground signal won't 
 update until you do a capacity test

 Been liking the Mimo-A drop down support but it has a bug in it where 
 it will try and achieve higher modulation and then drop so there is 
 still more to do on your algorithm for that but have a very good start
 —
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 On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
 via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

 You broke my GPS stats. The 450AP I updated does not read the
 Motorola binary GPS data from the attached SyncPipe anymore. And
 there are other bugs, maybe just GUI/display issues though. I
 sent the info to Aaron, go beat him up for me. The GPS data issue
 needs to be fixed before I can update any more sectors.

 Other than that, I'm impressed with the RF performance w/ MIMO-A.
 It seems to have really helped with all the
 multipath/fading/ducting and sessions dropping we've been seeing
 at night. And throughput got a lot better in most cases.

 On 9/30/2014 1:49 PM, Jonathan Mandziara via Af wrote:

 Folks,

 �

 Does anyone have any 13.2 Beta feedback that they would like to
 share with the list?

 �

 Best,

 �

 Jonathan

 �

 *From:*Af
 [mailto:af-bounces+jonathan.mandziara=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com]
 *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Mandziara via Af
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:32 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New PMP beta load 13.2 Build 30 available!

 �

 Folks,

 �

 PMP Beta 13.2 Build 30 is also there for PMP430 and PTP230
 devices.� Please download it and let us know what you think.

 �

 Best,

 �

 Jonathan

 �

 *From:*Af
 [mailto:af-bounces+jonathan.mandziara=cambiumnetworks@afmug.com]
 *On Behalf Of *canopy01 via Af
 *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 11:38 AM
 *To:* Cambium Dist_List (af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com)
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] New PMP beta load 13.2 Build 30 available!

 �

 Folks,

 �

 PMP Beta load 13.2 Build 30 is now available for download and
 you can find it here:

 �

 https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450

 �

   * Improvements for MIMO-A
   o PMP450 APs  SMs will now default to MIMO-A control
 message mode
   o If you have an interop sector (containing 430 SMs), you
 may need to set this back to legacy SISO mode
   + Configuration - Radio - PMP 430 Interop Mode, set
 to SISO
   + This is only necessary if you have issues with
 existing PMP430�s reconnecting and should not be
 necessary in a majority of the cases.
   * Fix for missing None frequency option
   * Control Slots is now called Contention Slots
   * Addition of Color Code Priority column to the Session
 Status - Session tab
   o If Color Code Rescan option is enabled on the AP, and an
 SM is registered via a non-primary color code, there
 will be a countdown for each SM that will be rescanning
 due to this configuration.
   o If an SM is registered via Installation Color Code
 (ICC), this will also be noted on the Session Status -
 Device tab, Session column, next to In Session
   * Added number of VCs in use next to Subscriber Count on the
 AP's main page. �This number includes Broadcast and
 Multicast (if enabled) VCs.
   * Added support to NAT to handle fragments (to fix the
 FemtoCell issue)
   * Alignment tone fix
   * Various bug fixes

 �

 �

 Corey

 �

 �





Re: [AFMUG] PMP450

2014-09-30 Thread timothy steele via Af
Up tilt on SM side?—
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Steve Warden via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 Never looked… I shall try again!
  
 Regards
  
 Steve Warden
  
 Andrews Wireless
 671 Durham road 21
 Uxbridge
 L9P 1R4
  
 905 852 8896
  
 www.andrewswireless.net
  
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen via Af
 Sent: September-30-14 9:22 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450
  
 During a linktest, does the rate-adapt change from 1x?
  
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Steve Warden via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 Hi Guys,
  
 Just wondering if anybody has any suggestions with something I am seeing on 
 PMP5.4, I have two customers close to each other both have signals of 67db 
 (AP SM) both have great link tests but one is showing 8x8x and the other 
 8x1x, I have tried repointing the AP changing the tilt etc… no difference. 
 Both are line of sight no trees in the way, we even moved the SM on 8x1x to 
 the other side of the house and no change – even tried another SM.
  
 This is a replacement for an FSK5.4 and the signals were identical, just this 
 8x8x is perplexing me.
  
  
  
 Thanks
  
 Steve Warden
  
 Andrews Wireless
 671 Durham road 21
 Uxbridge
 L9P 1R4
  
 905 852 8896 tel:905%20852%208896 
  
 www.andrewswireless.net
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode

2014-09-26 Thread timothy steele via Af
6plus not a phone that's a tablet—
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On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:

 the old version looks great on an iphone 6+
 Sent from my iPhone
 Kurt Fankhauser
 Wavelinc Communications
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 http://www.wavelinc.com
 tel. 419-562-6405
 fax. 419-617-0110
 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 
 The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer 
 schedules?
 —
 Sent from Mailbox
 
 
 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
 You change your meds or something Steve?  
 
 First the props to the PTP650, now this.  Makes me think that someone has 
 you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place
 
 bp
 On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
 I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where 
 credit is due thing.
 
 They have done alot of work on this new version they have out.
 
 We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data 
 from our old version
 
 The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something 
 from 1982 anymore
 
 It seems responsive and intuitive
 
 The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have 
 to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for 
 something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year.
 
 I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually 
 reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc.
 
 Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those 
 days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but 
 it was mainly my dumb ass causing them.
 
 Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole 
 process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care 
 exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its 
 correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. 
 
 
 If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this 
 issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch 
 product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, 
 it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your 
 scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand
 
 handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option 
 with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice
 
 The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes 
 to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be.
 
 Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. 
 This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they 
 added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to 
 do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how 
 to implement - genius
 
 
 
 Buy powercode today while supplies last!!
 
 
 This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin
 
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 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
 parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you 
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do 
 not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
 

Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode

2014-09-25 Thread timothy steele via Af
The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer 
schedules?—
Sent from Mailbox

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

 You change your meds or something Steve?
 First the props to the PTP650, now this.  Makes me think that someone 
 has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place
 bp
 On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
 I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit 
 where credit is due thing.

 They have done alot of work on this new version they have out.

 We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data 
 from our old version

 The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like 
 something from 1982 anymore

 It seems responsive and intuitive

 The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to 
 have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file 
 for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year.

 I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on 
 actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc.

 Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of 
 those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple 
 issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them.

 Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The 
 whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or 
 care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming 
 its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody.


 If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you 
 (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top 
 notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just 
 implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter 
 morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont 
 get too out of hand

 handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real 
 option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual 
 customers... nice

 The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of 
 changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be.

 Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and 
 alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS 
 does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more 
 asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you 
 have to figure out how to implement - genius



 Buy powercode today while supplies last!!


 This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin

 -- 
 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if 
 you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all 
 means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925