Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

Track car is a road racing car, closed circuit.  Drag car would be the Dodge 
Demon.  At least the way I meant it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Head
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 9:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

This may have been said but define "track car" because nothing beats a Dodge 
Demon in the 1/4 mile.

On 3/8/2018 11:59 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jerry Head]

This may have been said but define "track car" because nothing beats a 
Dodge Demon in the 1/4 mile.


On 3/8/2018 11:59 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to 
buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.


It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the 
new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest 
track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 
million).


Travis


On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very 
nice race track nearby.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag 
though...
Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of 
these???

*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag 
though...
The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or 
later... LOL


Travis


On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is 
cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not 
much out there that can boast these specs) performance 
specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think 
the company would have been successful on its own, but that is the 
car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy
to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

Aero downforce

On 3/8/18 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
They're saying that as-is (with a 600+ mile range), the Roadster will be 
around 4000lbs, compared to the GT's 3300 and the Z06's 3500. It's not 
too hard to imagine a lower-range unit that is considerably lighter (the 
batteries alone are supposed to be close to 1800lbs). Point taken on the 
road car vs a track car, but that applies to all of these to some 
extent. And yes, the price is pretty absurd, the Z06 is much more 
reasonable.


  If Tesla had a 300 mile range version that was track-tuned it would be 
really hard to compete with I would think.


On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net 
<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:


0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking
about can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a
race track.  And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with
the entire car designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a
race car, it’s going to drive like crap on the street.  If you want
a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road track.  If you
want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla
roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat
it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when
prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s. 

__ __

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I
got hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla. 

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...

__ __

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is
going to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla
has a 0-60 of less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net
<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have
to buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or
the new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two
fastest track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche
918 ($1 million).

Travis



On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a
very nice race track nearby. 



*From:*Chuck McCown 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...



Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one
of these???



*From:*Travis Johnson 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
though...



The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or
later... LOL

Travis



On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car,
it is cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively
similar (not much out there that can boast these specs)
performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car
fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
on its own, but that is the car industry these days. 



On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the
wealthy to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com

<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster





__ __

__ __

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

My wife wanted one until she saw the price.  Electric is the future, but the 
battery weight has to come down to be an effective track car.  I’d also be 
curious how those motors handle running full out all the time.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 8:40 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

But all that only really matters if you're racing it... if somebody is just 
paying to go drive a cool car around in circles really fast, they aren't going 
to care that much about lap times - they're just going to want to drive the 
coolest car.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about can 
corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.  And they 
all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car designed for 1 
thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going to drive like crap 
on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road 
track.  If you want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The 
Tesla roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat it.  
Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when prepped, they are 
already hitting sub 9’s.

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got hives 
thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going to 
blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of less 
than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>> 
wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis
On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis
On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Mathew Howard]

But all that only really matters if you're racing it... if somebody is just
paying to go drive a cool car around in circles really fast, they aren't
going to care that much about lap times - they're just going to want to
drive the coolest car.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> 0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about
> can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.
> And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car
> designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going
> to drive like crap on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to
> drive like crap on a road track.  If you want a car that can do all 3,
> that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla roadster is built for the street first,
> road race cars will beat it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼
> mile when prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s.
>
>
>
> But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got
> hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going
> to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of
> less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
> This is more my style :)
> http://bollingermotors.com
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jason McKemie]

They're saying that as-is (with a 600+ mile range), the Roadster will be
around 4000lbs, compared to the GT's 3300 and the Z06's 3500. It's not too
hard to imagine a lower-range unit that is considerably lighter (the
batteries alone are supposed to be close to 1800lbs). Point taken on the
road car vs a track car, but that applies to all of these to some extent.
And yes, the price is pretty absurd, the Z06 is much more reasonable.

 If Tesla had a 300 mile range version that was track-tuned it would be
really hard to compete with I would think.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> 0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about
> can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.
> And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car
> designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going
> to drive like crap on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to
> drive like crap on a road track.  If you want a car that can do all 3,
> that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla roadster is built for the street first,
> road race cars will beat it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼
> mile when prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s.
>
>
>
> But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got
> hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going
> to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of
> less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
> This is more my style :)
> http://bollingermotors.com
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Bill Prince]

Good point. Teslas are heavy. With all the torque they have straight line
acceleration they can do. Probably not worth a crap on corners; I've never
heard what kind of cornering they can do, and 1.1 Gs would be a significant
hurdle. OTOH, all that weight is mostly under the floor, so their CG would
be very close to the ground.

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> 0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about
> can corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.
> And they all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car
> designed for 1 thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going
> to drive like crap on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to
> drive like crap on a road track.  If you want a car that can do all 3,
> that’s a compromise car.  The Tesla roadster is built for the street first,
> road race cars will beat it.  Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼
> mile when prepped, they are already hitting sub 9’s.
>
>
>
> But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got
> hives thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going
> to blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of
> less than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
> This is more my style :)
> http://bollingermotors.com
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

0-60 does not a track car make.  Most of these cars we are talking about can 
corner at about 1.1-1.2+gs.  That’s a big advantage on a race track.  And they 
all weight a lot less than the Tesla will with the entire car designed for 1 
thing, lower lap times.  If you want a race car, it’s going to drive like crap 
on the street.  If you want a drag car, it’s going to drive like crap on a road 
track.  If you want a car that can do all 3, that’s a compromise car.  The 
Tesla roadster is built for the street first, road race cars will beat it.  
Drag only cars like a Demon will beat it in ¼ mile when prepped, they are 
already hitting sub 9’s.

But seriously, how many of us are going to spend $250K on a car.  I got hives 
thinking of spending $80K on a street Tesla.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 3:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going to 
blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of less 
than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>> 
wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jason McKemie]

How is a $500k gt more economical than a $250k Tesla? The Tesla is going to
blow the doors off of the GT and the Corvette. The Tesla has a 0-60 of less
than 2 seconds and a top end of 250mph.

On Thursday, March 8, 2018, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
>> his businesses
>>
>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>
>>> This is more my style :)
>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>>> com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Darin Steffl]

I have a 2017 Camaro ZL1 with the 10-speed auto and this thing SCREAMS!!

Very fast, faster than every other car at Speedvegas when I was there.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> The ACR and GT350r are about as close to track cars as you can buy under
> $140K.  I think he meant the Ford GT though, not the 350r.  Even the new
> Camaro ZL1 1LE is a pretty hot track car.  Me, I’m going to have to live
> with my 240sx Lemons car.  This way when it gets wrecked on the track, it’s
> only $5K to replace it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Dodge Viper ACR smokes the GT350r (65k often with 40k markup, not sure
> where you see 500k) and Z06 road cars.  None of them are track cars.
>
>
>
> 918 is faster than the ACR on the track by a good 5 seconds.
>
>
>
> HPDE insurance isn't crazy expensive - a single day is $300 and if you
> bundle a handful of events it drops pretty steeply.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
> This is more my style :)
> http://bollingermotors.com
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Rory Conaway]

The ACR and GT350r are about as close to track cars as you can buy under $140K. 
 I think he meant the Ford GT though, not the 350r.  Even the new Camaro ZL1 
1LE is a pretty hot track car.  Me, I’m going to have to live with my 240sx 
Lemons car.  This way when it gets wrecked on the track, it’s only $5K to 
replace it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Dodge Viper ACR smokes the GT350r (65k often with 40k markup, not sure where 
you see 500k) and Z06 road cars.  None of them are track cars.

918 is faster than the ACR on the track by a good 5 seconds.

HPDE insurance isn't crazy expensive - a single day is $300 and if you bundle a 
handful of events it drops pretty steeply.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Travis Johnson 
<t...@ida.net<mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis

On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis

On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund his 
businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com%20%3cmailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>>
 wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Josh Luthman]

Dodge Viper ACR smokes the GT350r (65k often with 40k markup, not sure
where you see 500k) and Z06 road cars.  None of them are track cars.

918 is faster than the ACR on the track by a good 5 seconds.

HPDE insurance isn't crazy expensive - a single day is $300 and if you
bundle a handful of events it drops pretty steeply.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
>> his businesses
>>
>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>
>>> This is more my style :)
>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>>> com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Josh Luthman]

2020???  We're still waiting on general availability of the Model 3!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
>> his businesses
>>
>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>
>>> This is more my style :)
>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" >> com > wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Steve D]

I still believe the same could be said about the modern smart phone...

-Steve D

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is one major ding against the Model 3; too many things incorporated
> into that massive monitor, including things that would be much simpler with
> a simple switch or two (or three or four). Not sure how that passed any
> usability tests. I would have made it smaller, or tried to figure out how
> to blend it better.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I would buy one, except I don’t want a car with a freaking TV bolted to
>> the dashboard.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 12:19 PM
>> *To:* Motorola III
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>> though...
>>
>> I know it's easy to bash Elon; he's not my favorite human by any stretch.
>> However, if these latest delivery numbers are accurate, the Model 3 is
>> beginning to crush the rest of the electric car market.
>>
>> https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/05/tesla-model-3-wins-febr
>> uary-despite-production-woes-electric-car-sales-dim-usa/
>>
>> -bp
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But there is sumpin’ special about Tesla.
>>>
>>> I can go drive a GT out there any time I want to pay the fee on the day
>>> they do their training days.
>>> Can’t do that with Tesla... yet...
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:59 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>>> though...
>>>
>>> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to
>>> buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>>>
>>> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the
>>> new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track
>>> cars available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very
>>> nice race track nearby.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>>> though...
>>>
>>> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of
>>> these???
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>>> though...
>>>
>>> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or
>>> later... LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
>>> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
>>> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
>>> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
>>> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to
>>>> fund his businesses
>>>>
>>>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is more my style :)
>>>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>>>>> com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Carl Peterson]

I would guess this is aimed more at a generation that is more comfortable
controlling something with a smart screen then with a switch.  I've always
thought that peoples biggest mistake when evaluating TSLA is that they look
at it like a car company.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That is one major ding against the Model 3; too many things incorporated
> into that massive monitor, including things that would be much simpler with
> a simple switch or two (or three or four). Not sure how that passed any
> usability tests. I would have made it smaller, or tried to figure out how
> to blend it better.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I would buy one, except I don’t want a car with a freaking TV bolted to
>> the dashboard.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 12:19 PM
>> *To:* Motorola III
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>> though...
>>
>> I know it's easy to bash Elon; he's not my favorite human by any stretch.
>> However, if these latest delivery numbers are accurate, the Model 3 is
>> beginning to crush the rest of the electric car market.
>>
>> https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/05/tesla-model-3-wins-febr
>> uary-despite-production-woes-electric-car-sales-dim-usa/
>>
>> -bp
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But there is sumpin’ special about Tesla.
>>>
>>> I can go drive a GT out there any time I want to pay the fee on the day
>>> they do their training days.
>>> Can’t do that with Tesla... yet...
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:59 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>>> though...
>>>
>>> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to
>>> buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>>>
>>> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the
>>> new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track
>>> cars available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very
>>> nice race track nearby.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>>> though...
>>>
>>> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of
>>> these???
>>>
>>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>>> though...
>>>
>>> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or
>>> later... LOL
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
>>> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
>>> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
>>> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
>>> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to
>>>> fund his businesses
>>>>
>>>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is more my style :)
>>>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>>>>> com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Bill Prince]

That is one major ding against the Model 3; too many things incorporated
into that massive monitor, including things that would be much simpler with
a simple switch or two (or three or four). Not sure how that passed any
usability tests. I would have made it smaller, or tried to figure out how
to blend it better.

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bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I would buy one, except I don’t want a car with a freaking TV bolted to
> the dashboard.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 12:19 PM
> *To:* Motorola III
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
> I know it's easy to bash Elon; he's not my favorite human by any stretch.
> However, if these latest delivery numbers are accurate, the Model 3 is
> beginning to crush the rest of the electric car market.
>
> https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/05/tesla-model-3-wins-
> february-despite-production-woes-electric-car-sales-dim-usa/
>
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> But there is sumpin’ special about Tesla.
>>
>> I can go drive a GT out there any time I want to pay the fee on the day
>> they do their training days.
>> Can’t do that with Tesla... yet...
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>> though...
>>
>> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
>> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>>
>> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
>> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
>> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very
>> nice race track nearby.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>> though...
>>
>> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag
>> though...
>>
>> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
>> LOL
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
>> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
>> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
>> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
>> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
>>> his businesses
>>>
>>> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is more my style :)
>>>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>>>> com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Chuck McCown]

I would buy one, except I don’t want a car with a freaking TV bolted to the 
dashboard.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 12:19 PM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

I know it's easy to bash Elon; he's not my favorite human by any stretch. 
However, if these latest delivery numbers are accurate, the Model 3 is 
beginning to crush the rest of the electric car market.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/03/05/tesla-model-3-wins-february-despite-production-woes-electric-car-sales-dim-usa/


-bp


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  But there is sumpin’ special about Tesla.  

  I can go drive a GT out there any time I want to pay the fee on the day they 
do their training days.  
  Can’t do that with Tesla... yet...

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

  Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

  It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

  Travis



  On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice 
race track nearby.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... 
LOL

Travis



On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days. 

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to 
fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

  This is more my style :)
  http://bollingermotors.com

  On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:

  https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Chuck McCown]

But there is sumpin’ special about Tesla.  

I can go drive a GT out there any time I want to pay the fee on the day they do 
their training days.  
Can’t do that with Tesla... yet...

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy 
specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.

It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new 
Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars 
available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).

Travis



On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice 
race track nearby.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

  Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

  The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

  Travis



  On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days. 

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund 
his businesses

  On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Travis Johnson]

Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to 
buy specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.


It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the 
new Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest 
track cars available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).


Travis


On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very 
nice race track nearby.

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or 
later... LOL


Travis


On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is 
cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not 
much out there that can boast these specs) performance 
specifications. I've never been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think 
the company would have been successful on its own, but that is the 
car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy
to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

oh yeah, but still gonna be profitable for Elon, specially compared to 
other supercars


On 3/8/18 8:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out 
there that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never 
been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been 
successful on its own, but that is the car industry these days.


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert > wrote:


The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to
fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"

>> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Chuck McCown]

Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice race 
track nearby.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis



On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days. 

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund 
his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

  This is more my style :)
  http://bollingermotors.com

  On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

  https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Chuck McCown]

Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later... LOL

Travis



On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

  No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap 
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there that 
can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a big Tesla 
car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful on its own, but 
that is the car industry these days. 

  On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund 
his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

  This is more my style :)
  http://bollingermotors.com

  On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

  https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Travis Johnson]

The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or 
later... LOL


Travis


On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is 
cheap compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much 
out there that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've 
never been a big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have 
been successful on its own, but that is the car industry these days.


On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert > wrote:


The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy
to fund his businesses

On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"

>> wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Cameron Crum]

No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
on its own, but that is the car industry these days.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert  wrote:

> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
>> This is more my style :)
>> http://bollingermotors.com
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" > > wrote:
>>
>> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Robert]

The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund 
his businesses


On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:


https://www.tesla.com/roadster

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jon Lee]

This is more my style :)
http://bollingermotors.com

On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

https://www.tesla.com/roadster

[AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Jason McKemie]

https://www.tesla.com/roadster