[AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all
of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites,
or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas
exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
with them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

Our infrastructure sites look like this:

Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
-> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
-> PoE Injectors
-> Switch / Router

PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.



I know this probably is not feasible but
What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit 
port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp 
function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of 
device. This device would be software configurable for power type and 
has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 
150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to 
support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also 
supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC 
Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't 
mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box.





Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to 
the list.


With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for 
me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.


We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost 
all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
products we complete just because they help fill out our product 
offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple 
of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 
Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.


So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux 
could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly 
looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of 
your tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know 
these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel 
free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you 
think of PacketFlux fitting into.


One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower 
device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, 
power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and 
clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house 
toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it 
a reality.  If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a 
specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of 
a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a 
tower site is still quite a ways off for us.


So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and 
run with them.


-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Gino Villarini via Af]

The ctm2 covers most of this

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!


> On Oct 5, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
> 
> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
> 
> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
> -> PoE Injectors
> -> Switch / Router
> 
> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
> 
> 
> 
> I know this probably is not feasible but
> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit 
> port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function 
> built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This 
> device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch 
> functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and 
> Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If 
> there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I 
> wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE 
> injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
> 
>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.
>> 
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
>> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>> 
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all 
>> of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
>> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on 
>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>> 
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
>> build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for 
>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
>> even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist 
>> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which 
>> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>> 
>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device 
>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
>> conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
>> desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to 
>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it 
>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>> 
>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run 
>> with them.
>> 
>> -forrest
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[TJ Trout via Af]

I would really like to see a installation device that has a LCD and speaker
and headphone jack, has it's own internal lithium battery with poe output
AND lan port for a laptop, can speak SNMP or http or whatever with Ubiquiti
and Canopy/Epmp and allows you to do basic configuration in the field and
also has stored config files for fast SM programming, once programmed it
acts like an alignment tool with LCD that's sun viewable and also audio out
of the speaker... Does multiple POE outputs either by setting or
automatically.

I would also like to see a RJ45 lock in device that allows us to lock patch
cables into the POE/Router/Computer, etc to keep customers from unplugging
Ethernet cables and mixing them up! I know this is already out on the
market but $5 each is crazy.







On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:

> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>
> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
> -> PoE Injectors
> -> Switch / Router
>
> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>
>
> 
> I know this probably is not feasible but
> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit
> port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp
> function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of
> device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has
> apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per
> port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from
> 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out
> to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal
> is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a
> din rail in a box.
> 
>
>
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
>
> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>> list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>> to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products
>> we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>> could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for
>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites,
>> or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas
>> exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>> which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>> into.
>>
>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>> conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>> desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>>
>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
>> with them.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

Let's talk about the first one, which I agree would be cool.

My gut feeling is that by the time I priced this correctly - meaning to
have a fairly high likelihood of recovering R&D and production costs we'd
be in the neighborhood of around $500.  If we limited the functionality to
just some sort of alignment readout without all of the programming, then I
might guess more around $250.

Is this worth $250 or $500?   How would you handle updates?  Free?  Cost
for each new platform?

The microwave alignment tool we did was the equivalent of putting our toe
into this market.  Our experience there makes me wonder if this is a market
which actually has any meaningful, ongoing, revenue stream.   I really
would like to sell tools, but I'm going to need some convincing (which is
what I'm trying to ask for here).

We've done about 3-4 prototype designs in house for various pieces of what
you are talking about.   Some worked better than others.  Heck, we
displayed one at the first Animal Farm.   But none have made it to market
just because of the high front-end costs.  I suspect that this is also what
is keeping several of the prototypes which have been displayed at various
times from becoming a product as well.

So convince me.

In relation to the other item...  have you considered clipping the tab?

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:51 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> I would really like to see a installation device that has a LCD and
> speaker and headphone jack, has it's own internal lithium battery with poe
> output AND lan port for a laptop, can speak SNMP or http or whatever with
> Ubiquiti and Canopy/Epmp and allows you to do basic configuration in the
> field and also has stored config files for fast SM programming, once
> programmed it acts like an alignment tool with LCD that's sun viewable and
> also audio out of the speaker... Does multiple POE outputs either by
> setting or automatically.
>
> I would also like to see a RJ45 lock in device that allows us to lock
> patch cables into the POE/Router/Computer, etc to keep customers from
> unplugging Ethernet cables and mixing them up! I know this is already out
> on the market but $5 each is crazy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>
>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>
>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>> -> PoE Injectors
>> -> Switch / Router
>>
>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>
>>
>> 
>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit
>> port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp
>> function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of
>> device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has
>> apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per
>> port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from
>> 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out
>> to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal
>> is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a
>> din rail in a box.
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net
>> 530.272.4000
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>
>>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>>> to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>>
>>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products
>>> we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
>>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>>
>>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>>> could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for
>>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites,
>>> or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas
>>> exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>>> which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>>> into.
>>>
>>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>>> conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>>> desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
>>> there are many hurdles left to make it a realit

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Aw cool, the 2-relay/3-switch module! That complements the 
3-shunt/3-volt module perfectly for the Traco DC-UPS setup.


I always prefer to have medium and larger site's power, PoE and 
switch/router equipment modular. Just easier to replace a failed 
component than the entire thing. But for remote/repeater/micro-POP 
sites, it would be nice to have an all-in-one kind of thing. We're doing 
a lot of this: 450SM backhaul, four 900 sectors and a LOS omni (2.4 or 
5GHz FSK, UBNT or maybe ePMP later). So built-in timing, ethernet switch 
and battery/DC-UPS in a single unit would be cool.


Also would be nice to have an 8-port SyncInjector that can be 
rack-mounted or wall/surface mounted.


On 10/5/2014 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to 
the list.


With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for 
me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.


We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost 
all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
products we complete just because they help fill out our product 
offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple 
of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 
Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.


So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux 
could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly 
looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of 
your tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know 
these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel 
free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you 
think of PacketFlux fitting into.


One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower 
device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, 
power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and 
clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house 
toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it 
a reality.  If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a 
specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of 
a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a 
tower site is still quite a ways off for us.


So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and 
run with them.


-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Chuck McCown via Af]

How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power 
supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, 
power injection with fiber conversion.

Seriously, I  would  think that if you adopted some of  features RMS has that 
you do not have it could  help.  

Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot ping 
google for 15 minutes.  I dunno, just brainstorming a bit.  I personally always 
want more telemetry,  more voltage inputs.  More isolation on the voltage 
inputs.  

Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff?  

Competitor jammer.
Pan tilt rifle remote.
Active denial  transmitter.
AP seeking missile launcher.

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. 

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete 
just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot 
of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website recently 
- I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[timothy steele via Af]

Somthing easy to make that gets asked for on the list I noticed would be a POE 
Y cable that would allow you to put 2 radios on a customers house/tower with 
only 1 cable going into the house

—
Sent from Mailbox

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

> How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power 
> supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, 
> router, power injection with fiber conversion.
> Seriously, I  would  think that if you adopted some of  features RMS has that 
> you do not have it could  help.  
> Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot ping 
> google for 15 minutes.  I dunno, just brainstorming a bit.  I personally 
> always want more telemetry,  more voltage inputs.  More isolation on the 
> voltage inputs.  
> Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff?  
> Competitor jammer.
> Pan tilt rifle remote.
> Active denial  transmitter.
> AP seeking missile launcher.
> From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM
> To: af 
> Subject: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. 
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
> them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on 
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
> even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
> there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
> outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device 
> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
> about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
> everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
> them.
> -forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

Hmm.. your first suggestion sounds oddly familar.

Some of the next two are in the works.  Nothing ready to announce in this
public of forum.   But think tower-side control.  And more i/o types.

The last four... well, now those would be popular, wouldn't they?

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac
> power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet
> switch, router, power injection with fiber conversion.
>
> Seriously, I  would  think that if you adopted some of  features RMS has
> that you do not have it could  help.
>
> Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot
> ping google for 15 minutes.  I dunno, just brainstorming a bit.  I
> personally always want more telemetry,  more voltage inputs.  More
> isolation on the voltage inputs.
>
> Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff?
>
> Competitor jammer.
> Pan tilt rifle remote.
> Active denial  transmitter.
> AP seeking missile launcher.
>
>  *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>
>  It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
> list.
>
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to
> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all
> of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
> could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking
> for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
> ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw
> ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
> PacketFlux fitting into.
>
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
> with them.
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Forrest,

That item at the bottom of your list -- Netonix is working on something 
like that as well, after their shed/top-tower product.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to 
the list.


With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for 
me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.


We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost 
all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
products we complete just because they help fill out our product 
offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple 
of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 
Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.


So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux 
could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly 
looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of 
your tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know 
these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel 
free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you 
think of PacketFlux fitting into.


One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower 
device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, 
power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and 
clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house 
toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it 
a reality.  If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a 
specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of 
a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a 
tower site is still quite a ways off for us.


So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and 
run with them.


-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

How would this work?   You mean something like a 3 port ethernet switch?
I.E. for a radio and a AP?

Trying to understand the use and logic here...

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM, timothy steele via Af  wrote:

> Somthing easy to make that gets asked for on the list I noticed would be a
> POE Y cable that would allow you to put 2 radios on a customers house/tower
> with only 1 cable going into the house
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>
>>  How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac
>> power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet
>> switch, router, power injection with fiber conversion.
>>
>> Seriously, I  would  think that if you adopted some of  features RMS has
>> that you do not have it could  help.
>>
>> Perhaps a watchdog feature the cycles the power to the AP if it cannot
>> ping google for 15 minutes.  I dunno, just brainstorming a bit.  I
>> personally always want more telemetry,  more voltage inputs.  More
>> isolation on the voltage inputs.
>>
>> Solar charge controller built into some of your other stuff?
>>
>> Competitor jammer.
>> Pan tilt rifle remote.
>> Active denial  transmitter.
>> AP seeking missile launcher.
>>
>>  *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
>>  *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 2:19 PM
>>  *To:* af 
>>  *Subject:* [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>
>>  It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>> list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>> to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products
>> we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>> could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking
>> for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
>> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
>> ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw
>> ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
>> PacketFlux fitting into.
>>
>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>>
>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
>> with them.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D on
right now.

The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when
factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.
 150W gets very expensive quickly.

As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.

I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want
to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is
quite crowded.

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:

> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>
> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
> -> PoE Injectors
> -> Switch / Router
>
> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>
>
> 
> I know this probably is not feasible but
> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit
> port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp
> function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of
> device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has
> apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per
> port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from
> 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out
> to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal
> is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a
> din rail in a box.
> 
>
>
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
>
> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>> list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>> to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products
>> we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>> could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for
>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites,
>> or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas
>> exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>> which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>> into.
>>
>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>> conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>> desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>>
>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
>> with them.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a built 
in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE.   

We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.  It's not 
pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200.

Mark

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af"  wrote:

>It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.
>
>
>With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
>decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
>
>We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
>them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
>complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
>expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the 
>website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt 
>input modules.
>
>
>So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
>build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
>products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
>even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
>there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
>outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>
>
>One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
>includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
>charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
>conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
>desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
>there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
>version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
>about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
>everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
>
>So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
>them.
>
>
>-forrest
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[timothy steele via Af]

No switching needed DIY would be to use 3 wire scotch locks on all wires at the 
top then you would have 2 ends at top and 1 end at bottom as I'm typing this 
I'm realizing the issues doing it that way but you can figure it out I'm sure..

—
Sent from Mailbox

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
wrote:

> I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a 
> built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE.  
>  
> We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.  It's 
> not pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200.
> Mark
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af"  wrote:
>>It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.
>>
>>
>>With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
>>decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>
>>
>>We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
>>them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
>>complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
>>expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on 
>>the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
>>voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>>
>>So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
>>build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
>>products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
>>even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
>>there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
>>outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>>
>>
>>One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device 
>>which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
>>charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
>>conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
>>desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
>>there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
>>version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
>>about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
>>everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>>
>>
>>So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
>>them.
>>
>>
>>-forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

The problem is that 10/100+Passive PoE needs all 8 wires, typically - 2
pairs for data + 2 pairs for power.  So simple splitting isn't going to get
you very far.

You could probably put an adapter both ends and do some sort of 10/100+PoE
on 2 pair and convert it back to 4 pair.   But then you're limited at
10/100, no gigabit.   Not sure this is what people would want with everyone
moving to gigabit.

-forrest



On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:28 PM, timothy steele via Af  wrote:

> No switching needed DIY would be to use 3 wire scotch locks on all wires
> at the top then you would have 2 ends at top and 1 end at bottom as I'm
> typing this I'm realizing the issues doing it that way but you can figure
> it out I'm sure..
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with
>> a built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim
>> CPE.
>>
>> We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.
>> It's not pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>
>>
>> "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>> list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>> to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products
>> we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>> could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking
>> for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
>> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
>> ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw
>> ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
>> PacketFlux fitting into.
>>
>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>>
>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
>> with them.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

This might be doable.  My main concern is where to set the cost so that
(quantity sold) * (price per unit) > (cost to develop and manufacture said
quantity).  Or if that condition is even achievable.

Are you envisioning the audio to come from the radio ... I.E. on canopy
plug into that second alignment port?

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:

> I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a
> built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim
> CPE.
>
> We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.
> It's not pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200.
>
> Mark
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>
>
> "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af"  wrote:
>
> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
> list.
>
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to
> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all
> of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
> could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking
> for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
> ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw
> ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
> PacketFlux fitting into.
>
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
> with them.
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Gino Villarini via Af]

What radio needs 150w?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D on 
right now.

The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when 
factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.  150W 
gets very expensive quickly.

As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.

I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be 
different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is quite 
crowded.

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Our infrastructure sites look like this:

Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
-> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
-> PoE Injectors
-> Switch / Router

PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.



I know this probably is not feasible but
What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). 
Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built 
in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device 
would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch 
functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and 
Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If 
there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I 
wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE 
injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box.




Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net<mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
530.272.4000


On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete 
just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot 
of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website recently 
- I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products 
which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better 
at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out there, and 
I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the 
narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. 
There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many 
hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified version of this 
which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the 
idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a 
tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Hungry ones? :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/05/2014 03:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

What radio needs 150w?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of 
R&D on right now.


The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do 
when factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit 
harder.  150W gets very expensive quickly.


As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.

I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I 
want to be different in the right ways.   The power 
injection/switching space is quite crowded.


-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Our infrastructure sites look like this:

Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
-> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
-> PoE Injectors
-> Switch / Router

PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.



I know this probably is not feasible but
What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
a din rail in a box.




Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
530.272.4000 


On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is
time for me to decide which products will be next out the door
at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion,
but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects
- the type of products we complete just because they help fill
out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue
from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website
recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products
PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm
particularly looking for products which if they existed would
go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every
customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas
out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one
tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply,
dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet
switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've
heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire.
There's work being done in-house toward something like that,
but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If
there's a simplified version of this which would fit a
specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the
idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off
for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a
couple and run with them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

There are some licensed ones out there which approach that.  But generally
they're not powered via PoE.

The highest I can point to quickly is in the <80W category for single radio
configurations.  I swear I've seen one at 110W, but most of the licensed
units I'm looking at quickly are around 80W.

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

>   What radio needs 150w?
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>
>   This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of
> R&D on right now.
>
>  The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do
> when factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit
> harder.  150W gets very expensive quickly.
>
>  As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>
>  I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I
> want to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching
> space is quite crowded.
>
>  -forrest
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>
>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>
>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>> -> PoE Injectors
>> -> Switch / Router
>>
>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>
>>
>> 
>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit
>> port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp
>> function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of
>> device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has
>> apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per
>> port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from
>> 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out
>> to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal
>> is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a
>> din rail in a box.
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net
>> 530.272.4000
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>
>>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>>> to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>>
>>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products
>>> we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
>>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>>
>>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>>> could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for
>>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites,
>>> or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas
>>> exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>>> which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>>> into.
>>>
>>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>>> conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>>> desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
>>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
>>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
>>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
>>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>>>
>>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
>>> with them.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Matt Jenkins via Af]

Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we 
use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.




Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

What radio needs 150w?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of 
R&D on right now.


The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do 
when factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit 
harder.  150W gets very expensive quickly.


As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.

I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I 
want to be different in the right ways.   The power 
injection/switching space is quite crowded.


-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Our infrastructure sites look like this:

Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
-> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
-> PoE Injectors
-> Switch / Router

PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.



I know this probably is not feasible but
What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
a din rail in a box.




Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
530.272.4000 


On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is
time for me to decide which products will be next out the door
at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion,
but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects
- the type of products we complete just because they help fill
out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue
from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website
recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products
PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm
particularly looking for products which if they existed would
go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every
customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas
out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of
PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one
tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply,
dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet
switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've
heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire.
There's work being done in-house toward something like that,
but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If
there's a simplified version of this which would fit a
specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the
idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off
for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a
couple and run with them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[TJ Trout via Af]

Forrest,

If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and
maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it
would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume
thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $50 each
update for much enhanced functionality...

Yes we are clipping the tab now.


On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:

> Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
> use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.
>
>
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>
>> What radio needs 150w?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>
>> This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D
>> on right now.
>>
>> The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when
>> factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.
>> 150W gets very expensive quickly.
>>
>> As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>>
>> I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want
>> to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is
>> quite crowded.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>
>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>> -> PoE Injectors
>> -> Switch / Router
>>
>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>
>>
>> 
>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
>> gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
>> web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
>> to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
>> for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
>> need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
>> Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
>> there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
>> outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
>> replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
>> a din rail in a box.
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
>> 530.272.4000 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
>> out to the list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is
>> time for me to decide which products will be next out the door
>> at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion,
>> but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects
>> - the type of products we complete just because they help fill
>> out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue
>> from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website
>> recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products
>> PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm
>> particularly looking for products which if they existed would
>> go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every
>> customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out
>> there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to thr

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[TJ Trout via Af]

I would be interested in a device that's wall mount or tower mount that's a
3 or 4 port poe powered, poe pass thru ethernet switch, bonus for
selectable polarity output. Double bonus for gigabit!



On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and
> maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it
> would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume
> thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $50 each
> update for much enhanced functionality...
>
> Yes we are clipping the tab now.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>
>> Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
>> use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net
>> 530.272.4000
>>
>> On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>>
>>> What radio needs 150w?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >> af@afmug.com>>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >> af@afmug.com>>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >> af@afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>>
>>> This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D
>>> on right now.
>>>
>>> The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do
>>> when factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit
>>> harder.  150W gets very expensive quickly.
>>>
>>> As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>>>
>>> I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I
>>> want to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching
>>> space is quite crowded.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>>
>>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>>> -> PoE Injectors
>>> -> Switch / Router
>>>
>>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
>>> gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
>>> web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
>>> to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
>>> for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
>>> need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
>>> Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
>>> there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
>>> outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
>>> replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
>>> a din rail in a box.
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Jenkins
>>> SmarterBroadband
>>> m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
>>> 530.272.4000 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
>>> out to the list.
>>>
>>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is
>>> time for me to decide which products will be next out the door
>>> at PacketFlux.
>>>
>>> We've got several products at various stages of completion,
>>> but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects
>>> - the type of products we complete just because they help fill
>>> out our 

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5.

Each wire is rated at  .577 amps.  Ignoring other concerns, this means at
48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire.  If you are
sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this
means you only have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no
margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for the return
path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up
a CAT5 cable and return it via ground.

Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me.  A
LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc

Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs, and
51W for four.  This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec.   I guess if
you're returning on ground, you can also get 102W.

Right now I'm focusing on the <50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more).

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:

> Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
> use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.
>
>
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>
>> What radio needs 150w?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>> From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" > af@afmug.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>
>> This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D
>> on right now.
>>
>> The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when
>> factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.
>> 150W gets very expensive quickly.
>>
>> As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>>
>> I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want
>> to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is
>> quite crowded.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>
>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>> -> PoE Injectors
>> -> Switch / Router
>>
>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>
>>
>> 
>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
>> gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
>> web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
>> to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
>> for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
>> need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
>> Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
>> there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
>> outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
>> replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
>> a din rail in a box.
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
>> 530.272.4000 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
>> out to the list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is
>> time for me to decide which products will be next out the door
>> at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion,
>> but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects
>> - the type of products we complete just because they help fill
>> out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue
>> from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website
>> recently - I.

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

Are you talking about powering multiple radios from one PoE feed below, or
multiple CPE's powering one radio?

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> I would be interested in a device that's wall mount or tower mount that's
> a 3 or 4 port poe powered, poe pass thru ethernet switch, bonus for
> selectable polarity output. Double bonus for gigabit!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Forrest,
>>
>> If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and
>> maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it
>> would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume
>> thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $50 each
>> update for much enhanced functionality...
>>
>> Yes we are clipping the tab now.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
>>> use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Jenkins
>>> SmarterBroadband
>>> m...@sbbinc.net
>>> 530.272.4000
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>> What radio needs 150w?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> President
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >>> af@afmug.com>>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >>> af@afmug.com>>
>>>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >>> af@afmug.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>>>
>>>> This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of
>>>> R&D on right now.
>>>>
>>>> The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do
>>>> when factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit
>>>> harder.  150W gets very expensive quickly.
>>>>
>>>> As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>>>>
>>>> I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I
>>>> want to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching
>>>> space is quite crowded.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>>>
>>>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>>>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>>>> -> PoE Injectors
>>>> -> Switch / Router
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>>>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
>>>> gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
>>>> web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
>>>> to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
>>>> for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
>>>> need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
>>>> Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
>>>> there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
>>>> outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
>>>> replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
>>>> a din rail in a box.
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthew Jenkins
>>>> SmarterBroadband
>>>> m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
>>>> 530.272.4000 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[timothy steele via Af]

I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
 wrote:

> 150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5.
> Each wire is rated at  .577 amps.  Ignoring other concerns, this means at
> 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire.  If you are
> sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this
> means you only have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no
> margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for the return
> path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up
> a CAT5 cable and return it via ground.
> Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me.  A
> LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc
> Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs, and
> 51W for four.  This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec.   I guess if
> you're returning on ground, you can also get 102W.
> Right now I'm focusing on the <50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more).
> -forrest
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>> Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
>> use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matthew Jenkins
>> SmarterBroadband
>> m...@sbbinc.net
>> 530.272.4000
>>
>> On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>>
>>> What radio needs 150w?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> President
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>> @aeronetpr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >> af@afmug.com>>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >> af@afmug.com>>
>>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >> af@afmug.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>>
>>> This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D
>>> on right now.
>>>
>>> The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when
>>> factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.
>>> 150W gets very expensive quickly.
>>>
>>> As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>>>
>>> I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want
>>> to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is
>>> quite crowded.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af >> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>>
>>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>>> -> PoE Injectors
>>> -> Switch / Router
>>>
>>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
>>> gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
>>> web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
>>> to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
>>> for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
>>> need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
>>> Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If
>>> there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC
>>> outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to
>>> replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on
>>> a din rail in a box.
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Jenkins
>>> SmarterBroadband
>>> m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
>>> 530.272.4000 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>>
>>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages
>>> out to the list.
>>>
>>> With

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af]

Ok.  Got it.  I've also at one time or another thought that it would be
neat to do it the other way for MTU settings.  One radio on the roof,
plugged into an ethernet switch and the whole thing powered from PoE from
each tenant where only one tenant needed to have their poe plugged in to
power on the whole device.

-forrest

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:44 AM, timothy steele via Af  wrote:

> I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af <
> af@afmug.com> wrote:
>
>> 150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5.
>>
>> Each wire is rated at  .577 amps.  Ignoring other concerns, this means at
>> 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire.  If you are
>> sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this
>> means you only have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no
>> margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for the return
>> path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up
>> a CAT5 cable and return it via ground.
>>
>> Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me.  A
>> LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc
>>
>> Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs,
>> and 51W for four.  This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec.   I guess if
>> you're returning on ground, you can also get 102W.
>>
>> Right now I'm focusing on the <50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more).
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we
>>> use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Jenkins
>>> SmarterBroadband
>>> m...@sbbinc.net
>>> 530.272.4000
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>>  What radio needs 150w?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> President
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> www.aeronetpr.com
>>>> @aeronetpr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >>> af@afmug.com>>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >>> af@afmug.com>>
>>>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" >>> af@afmug.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>>>
>>>> This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of
>>>> R&D on right now.
>>>>
>>>> The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do
>>>> when factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit
>>>> harder.  150W gets very expensive quickly.
>>>>
>>>> As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.
>>>>
>>>> I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I
>>>> want to be different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching
>>>> space is quite crowded.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af >>> <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Our infrastructure sites look like this:
>>>>
>>>> Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
>>>> -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
>>>> -> PoE Injectors
>>>> -> Switch / Router
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> I know this probably is not feasible but
>>>> What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
>>>> gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
>>>> web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
>>>> to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
>>>> for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
>>>> need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed 

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

That would be cool

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/05/2014 10:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
Ok.  Got it.  I've also at one time or another thought that it would 
be neat to do it the other way for MTU settings.  One radio on the 
roof, plugged into an ethernet switch and the whole thing powered from 
PoE from each tenant where only one tenant needed to have their poe 
plugged in to power on the whole device.


-forrest

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:44 AM, timothy steele via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops

—
Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>


On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5.

Each wire is rated at  .577 amps.  Ignoring other concerns,
this means at 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of
margin, per wire.  If you are sending the power up on two
pairs, and returning it on the other two, this means you only
have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no
margin).To do over 100W you have to use something else for
the return path, say the tower or a ground wire - in which
case you could send 200W up a CAT5 cable and return it via ground.

Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it
scares me.  A LOT of voltage drop, challenges in injection
methods, etc

Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on
two pairs, and 51W for four.  This also corresponds to the
802.3at spec.   I guess if you're returning on ground, you can
also get 102W.

Right now I'm focusing on the <50W category (ok, maybe a
smidgen more).

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE.
Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around
120ish.



Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
530.272.4000 

On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

What radio needs 150w?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>"
mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>"
mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>"
mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending
a fair bit of R&D on right now.

The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very
expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC
conversion.  20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder. 150W
gets very expensive quickly.

As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e.
pick/choose.

I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the
space, in that I want to be different in the right
ways.   The power injection/switching space is quite
crowded.

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote:

Our infrastructure sites look like this:

Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
-> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
-> PoE Injectors
-> Switch / Router

PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.



I know this probably is not feasible but

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Gino Villarini via Af]

You can currently do that via a tyconpower poe switch



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Organization: SPITwSPOTS
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, October 6, 2014 at 2:54 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

That would be cool

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/05/2014 10:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
Ok.  Got it.  I've also at one time or another thought that it would be neat to 
do it the other way for MTU settings.  One radio on the roof, plugged into an 
ethernet switch and the whole thing powered from PoE from each tenant where 
only one tenant needed to have their poe plugged in to power on the whole 
device.

-forrest

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:44 AM, timothy steele via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops

—
Sent from Mailbox<https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>



On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5.

Each wire is rated at  .577 amps.  Ignoring other concerns, this means at 48V, 
you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire.  If you are sending the 
power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this means you only 
have about 100W total you can do via CAT5 (110W with no margin).To do over 
100W you have to use something else for the return path, say the tower or a 
ground wire - in which case you could send 200W up a CAT5 cable and return it 
via ground.

Personally once you get that much power in a CAT5 cable it scares me.  A LOT of 
voltage drop, challenges in injection methods, etc

Most ethernet magnetics top out at about 25.5W for power on two pairs, and 51W 
for four.  This also corresponds to the 802.3at spec.   I guess if you're 
returning on ground, you can also get 102W.

Right now I'm focusing on the <50W category (ok, maybe a smidgen more).

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use 
draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish.



Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net<mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>
530.272.4000

On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
What radio needs 150w?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com<http://www.aeronetpr.com>
@aeronetpr



From: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>" mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>" mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>" mailto:af@afmug.com> 
<mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D on 
right now.

The challenge comes cost.   150watt per port is very expensive to do when 
factoring in the DC-DC conversion.   20W is  easy.  50W is a bit harder.  150W 
gets very expensive quickly.

As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose.

I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be 
different in the right ways.   The power injection/switching space is quite 
crowded.

-forrest

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>> 
wrote:

Our infrastructure sites look like this:

Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel
-> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules
-> PoE Injectors
-> Switch / Router

PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch.



I know this probably is not feasible but
What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24
gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has
web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC
to each type of device. This device would be software configurable
for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would
need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link
Radios. It would need to support from 12vd

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Christopher Tyler via Af]

A version with more port density for the SyncInjectors.  Eight ports would be 
nice.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 3:19:32 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all
of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites,
or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas
exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
with them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Christopher Tyler via Af]

Would anyone be willing to buy something like this in a kit form?  I was 
looking to do this as well and the volume wasn't there.  It's not like a 
stinger or a sitemonitor where you need one at each location.  You only need 
one per installer max, so it will either be overly expensive or very limited in 
scope.

I'm willing to put my existing PCB on line under the open hardware license for 
anyone to use and alter to suit their needs, if everyone put their enhancements 
on as well, then in fairly short order, we could have a very nice tool 
available at a very reasonable price and without too much R&D cost upfront or a 
need for a single vendor/mfgr to worry about ROI.

You would just need someone with some soldering experience to put them 
together.  Maybe a few enterprising individuals could assemble some boards and 
sell them at a slight premium.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Mark Radabaugh via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2014 6:15:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a built 
in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE.   

We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.  It's not 
pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200.

Mark

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

"Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af"  wrote:

>It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.
>
>
>With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
>decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
>
>We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
>them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
>complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
>expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the 
>website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt 
>input modules.
>
>
>So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
>build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
>products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
>even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
>there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
>outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>
>
>One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
>includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
>charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
>conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
>desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
>there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
>version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
>about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
>everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
>
>So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
>them.
>
>
>-forrest
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Matt via Af]

Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge protection.


On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via
Af  wrote:
> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
> list.
>
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to
> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all
> of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could
> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or
> even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist
> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which
> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
> with them.
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Paul McCall via Af]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge protection.


On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af 
 wrote:
> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to 
> the list.
>
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for 
> me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost 
> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
> products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering 
> instead of
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could
> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower 
> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas 
> exist
> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which
> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
>
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower 
> device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power 
> injection, fiber
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a 
> simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, 
> need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into 
> your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a 
> ways off for us.
>
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and 
> run with them.
>
> -forrest
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Gino Villarini via Af]

ctm2?



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  
@aeronetpr






On 10/6/14, 12:05 PM, "Paul McCall via Af"  wrote:

>+1
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:21 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>
>Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge
>protection.
>
>
>On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
> wrote:
>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to
>> the list.
>>
>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for
>> me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>
>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of
>> products we complete just because they help fill out our product
>>offering instead of
>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared
>>on
>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>
>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>>could
>> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
>> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
>>ideas exist
>> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>>which
>> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>>into.
>>
>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower
>> device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc
>> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power
>>injection, fiber
>> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that,
>>but
>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a
>> simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread,
>> need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into
>> your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still
>>quite a ways off for us.
>>
>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and
>> run with them.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Baird via Af]

I wish the CTM2 didn't carry such a hefty price tag.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

> ctm2?
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/6/14, 12:05 PM, "Paul McCall via Af"  wrote:
>
> >+1
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
> >Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:21 AM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
> >
> >Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge
> >protection.
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
> > wrote:
> >> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to
> >> the list.
> >>
> >> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for
> >> me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
> >>
> >> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
> >> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of
> >> products we complete just because they help fill out our product
> >>offering instead of
> >> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared
> >>on
> >> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
> >> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
> >>
> >> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
> >>could
> >> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
> >> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
> >> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
> >>ideas exist
> >> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
> >>which
> >> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
> >>into.
> >>
> >> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower
> >> device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc
> >> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power
> >>injection, fiber
> >> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
> >> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that,
> >>but
> >> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a
> >> simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread,
> >> need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into
> >> your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still
> >>quite a ways off for us.
> >>
> >> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and
> >> run with them.
> >>
> >> -forrest
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Adam Moffett via Af]

Or 12 port?  Anything more than 4.

Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge protection.


On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via
Af  wrote:

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all
of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on
the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist
out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which
are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
with them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Baird via Af]

+1.  I would also like to see a more "refined" and usable web interface for
the SiteMonitor line of products.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

>
> Or 12 port?  Anything more than 4.
>
>  Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge
>> protection.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via
>> Af  wrote:
>>
>>> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the
>>> list.
>>>
>>> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me
>>> to
>>> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>>
>>> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>>> all
>>> of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we
>>> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of
>>> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared
>>> on
>>> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>>
>>> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>>> could
>>> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
>>> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
>>> sites, or
>>> even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist
>>> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>>> which
>>> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>>> into.
>>>
>>> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device
>>> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery
>>> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber
>>> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that
>>> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that,
>>> but
>>> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a
>>> simplified
>>> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
>>> hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it
>>> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for
>>> us.
>>>
>>> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run
>>> with them.
>>>
>>> -forrest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Matt via Af]

We currently put in a DIN rail rack mount.

http://www.startech.com/Server-Management/Racks/Adjustable-Rack-Mount-DIN-Rail-Kit-with-Top-Hat-Mini-G-Rails~ADJDINKIT

Then add SynInjectors to it.  Would be so much nicer if PacketFlux
made an 'affordable' 1u 16-24 port injector though.  A daisy chain for
power input would be great too.  Would allow less downtime when adding
injectors.  I would really like to see the daisy chain on current 4
port injectors.  Another annoying bit is once in a while I plug in a
new 450 AP on long cat5 run.  Trips the port in syncinjector.  Must
power cycle entire syncinjector to bring back one port.




On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Josh Baird via Af  wrote:
> I wish the CTM2 didn't carry such a hefty price tag.
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>>
>> ctm2?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/14, 12:05 PM, "Paul McCall via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> >+1
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
>> >Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 11:21 AM
>> >To: af@afmug.com
>> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>> >
>> >Rack mount 24 port sync over power injector.  Possibly with surge
>> >protection.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
>> > wrote:
>> >> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to
>> >> the list.
>> >>
>> >> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for
>> >> me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>> >>
>> >> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost
>> >> all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of
>> >> products we complete just because they help fill out our product
>> >>offering instead of
>> >> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared
>> >>on
>> >> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the
>> >> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>> >>
>> >> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux
>> >>could
>> >> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for
>> >> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower
>> >> sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product
>> >>ideas exist
>> >> out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out
>> >>which
>> >> are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting
>> >>into.
>> >>
>> >> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower
>> >> device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc
>> >> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power
>> >>injection, fiber
>> >> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of
>> >> that
>> >> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that,
>> >>but
>> >> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a
>> >> simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread,
>> >> need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into
>> >> your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still
>> >>quite a ways off for us.
>> >>
>> >> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and
>> >> run with them.
>> >>
>> >> -forrest
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can 
toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. 
Maybe two models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model(16/32 ports).


Also will want a rack-mount version with 24devices (48 ports), so make 
that maybe 3 models.


This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control 
over each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and 
that's pretty much it.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to 
the list.


With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for 
me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.


We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost 
all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
products we complete just because they help fill out our product 
offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple 
of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 
Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.


So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux 
could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly 
looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of 
your tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know 
these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel 
free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you 
think of PacketFlux fitting into.


One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower 
device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, 
power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and 
clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house 
toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it 
a reality.  If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a 
specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of 
a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a 
tower site is still quite a ways off for us.


So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and 
run with them.


-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Mathew Howard via Af]

+1 to that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can toggle 
between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe two 
models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).

Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make that 
maybe 3 models.

This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control over 
each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's pretty 
much it.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete 
just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot 
of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website recently 
- I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[timothy steele via Af]

A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites

—
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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:

> +1 to that.
> 
> From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
> [af@afmug.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
> You know what I really need more than anything else?
> I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can toggle 
> between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe two 
> models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).
> Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make that 
> maybe 3 models.
> This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control over 
> each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's 
> pretty much it.
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
> On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
> It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.
> With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
> decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
> We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
> them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we 
> complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of 
> expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on 
> the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
> So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
> build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
> products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
> even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
> there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
> outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.
> One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device 
> which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
> charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
> conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
> desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
> there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
> version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
> about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
> everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
> So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
> them.
> -forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Cept not everybody needs sync injectors.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/06/2014 05:36 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote:
A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for 
BH's that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites


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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


+1 to that.

*From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via
Af [af@afmug.com]
*Sent:* Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I
can toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A
per-port. Maybe two models, an "8 device" and a "16 device"
model(16/32 ports).

Also will want a rack-mount version with 24devices (48 ports), so
make that maybe 3 models.

This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full
control over each device. It should be able to send syslog
messages/traps, and that's pretty much it.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com <http://www.spitwspots.com>

On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out
to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time
for me to decide which products will be next out the door at
PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but
almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the
type of products we complete just because they help fill out our
product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.
  A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E.
a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products
PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm
particularly looking for products which if they existed would go
at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every
customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out there,
and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which
are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux
fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower
device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc
conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router,
power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud
and clear and am aware of that desire.   There's work being done
in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles
left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified version of
this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to
hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack
and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a
ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple
and run with them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Paul McCall via Af]

Even a 12+4 would be great

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
+1 to that.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can toggle 
between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe two 
models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).

Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make that 
maybe 3 models.

This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control over 
each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's pretty 
much it.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list.

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to 
decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of 
them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete 
just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot 
of revenue from them.   A couple of these have appeared on the website recently 
- I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules.

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could 
build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly looking for 
products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or 
even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas exist out 
there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out which are 
outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which 
includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery 
charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with 
them.

-forrest

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af]

A 12 - 24 port switch that you can sync whatever or POE whatever, software 
configurable.

I would expect it to be expensive…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2014 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

 

Even a 12+4 would be great

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

 

A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites


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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:

+1 to that. 





From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
[af@afmug.com]
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

You know what I really need more than anything else?

I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can 
toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe 
two models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).

Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make 
that maybe 3 models.

This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control 
over each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's 
pretty much it.

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com

On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages 
out to the list. 

 

With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is 
time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.

 

We've got several products at various stages of completion, but 
almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering 
instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have 
appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
voltmeter/shunt input modules.

 

So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products 
PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly 
looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower 
sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product ideas 
exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas out 
which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into.

 

One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one 
tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, 
battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber 
conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that 
desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but 
there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's a simplified 
version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear 
about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles 
everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.

 

So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a 
couple and run with them.

 

-forrest

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[timothy steele via Af]

A microtik cloud router with sync injector & POE ports 

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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af
 wrote:

> A 12 - 24 port switch that you can sync whatever or POE whatever, software 
> configurable.
> I would expect it to be expensive…
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2014 1:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>  
> Even a 12+4 would be great
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Cc: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>  
> A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
> that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites
> —
> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>  
>  
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>   +1 to that. 
>   
> 
>   From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
> [af@afmug.com]
>   Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>   You know what I really need more than anything else?
>   
>   I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can 
> toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. Maybe 
> two models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).
>   
>   Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make 
> that maybe 3 models.
>   
>   This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control 
> over each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and that's 
> pretty much it.
>   Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>   SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>   On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>   It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages 
> out to the list. 
>
>   With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is 
> time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>
>   We've got several products at various stages of completion, but 
> almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
> products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering 
> instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have 
> appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>
>   So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products 
> PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly 
> looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your 
> tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these product 
> ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to throw ideas 
> out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux 
> fitting into.
>
>   One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one 
> tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power 
> injection, fiber conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am 
> aware of that desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something 
> like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's 
> a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd 
> love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it 
> handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us.
>
>   So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a 
> couple and run with them.
>
>   -forrest
>
>
>
>
>
>  

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

[timothy steele via Af]

A POE powered fiber to POE media converter that gets its power and sync from a 
sync injector and has a weather proof enclosure 


There you go Forrest A product that you need at least 2 at every tower


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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:22 PM, timothy steele via Af 
wrote:

> A microtik cloud router with sync injector & POE ports 
> —
> Sent from Mailbox
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) via Af
>  wrote:
>> A 12 - 24 port switch that you can sync whatever or POE whatever, software 
>> configurable.
>> I would expect it to be expensive…
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2014 1:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>  
>> Even a 12+4 would be great
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele via Af
>> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 9:36 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Cc: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>  
>> A sync injecter with 28 ports 24 sync injected ports + 4 POE ports for BH's 
>> that would keep things much cleaner at tower sites
>> —
>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>  
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>>  +1 to that. 
>>  
>> ____________
>>  From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> [af@afmug.com]
>>  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 7:59 PM
>>  To: af@afmug.com
>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
>>  You know what I really need more than anything else?
>>  
>>  I need a DC-terminal POE pass-through for 8-16 devices, where I can 
>> toggle between UBNT 24v passive poe, 48-56v, and maybe 56V 1A per-port. 
>> Maybe two models, an "8 device" and a "16 device" model (16/32 ports).
>>  
>>  Also will want a rack-mount version with 24 devices (48 ports), so make 
>> that maybe 3 models.
>>  
>>  This way I can use whatever switch I want, yet still have full control 
>> over each device. It should be able to send syslog messages/traps, and 
>> that's pretty much it.
>>  Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>>  SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>  On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote:
>>  It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages 
>> out to the list. 
>>   
>>  With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is 
>> time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux.
>>   
>>  We've got several products at various stages of completion, but 
>> almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of 
>> products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering 
>> instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them.   A couple of these have 
>> appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the 
>> voltmeter/shunt input modules.
>>   
>>  So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products 
>> PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP.   I'm particularly 
>> looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your 
>> tower sites, or even better at every customer location.  I know these 
>> product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them.   Feel free to 
>> throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of 
>> PacketFlux fitting into.
>>   
>>  One final note  - there is always a query for an all-in-one 
>> tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc 
>> conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power 
>> injection, fiber conversion, etc..   I've heard those loud and clear and am 
>> aware of that desire.   There's work being done in-house toward something 
>> like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality.  If there's 
>> a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need 
>> I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack 
>> and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off 
>> for us.
>>   
>>  So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a 
>> couple and run with them.
>>   
>>  -forrest
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>   
>>