Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-08 Thread Ken Hohhof via Af
I think like Barney Fife, you should only get one bullet, and you have to keep 
it in your pocket.

From: Mike Hammett via Af 
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Well agreed on that latter part.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "Cameron Crum via Af" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 9:17:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available


In TX they have to have a specific sign with specific wording otherwise it is 
invalid, although a business is treated much like a home. If they post a no 
weapons sign, it is probably in your best interest to either not carry inside 
or not patronize the business.  



On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

  Do you have to obey that sign? In Illinois you do, but in other states, they 
serve no legal purpose.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: "James Howard via Af" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 1:54:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available


  I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea typically.  
I just had a conversation with the night manager at the local grocery store 
when I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there more than I do) 
and they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store” on the doors.  I told 
him they’re basically announcing to criminals that there won’t be anyone in 
their store with a weapon to defend against a robbery, plus they make 
themselves liable for my safety by not allowing me to protect myself.  Anyway, 
his response was that if they’re robbed they’re supposed to hit the panic 
button and give the robbers anything they want.  I asked him what they do if 
the robber decides to start shooting people.  He says “wait for the police”.  
Nice…..



  I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines.  The fact that this 
police chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a gun, 
not doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with.  



  Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David 
Clarke.  He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this guy 
said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun control.  
He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t answer to or 
speak for the people.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available



  If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in 
Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is *awesome* btw). 
You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people.

  That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for trouble. It 
gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element of surprise. It 
also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to commit a crime.



josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a 
reason for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different 
thing.



Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.  Deer 
rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different thing...



And so on.  

50 shades of gray.  

No bright lines in my opinion.  



From: Josh Reynolds via Af 

Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available



There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my 
jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker.

I don't think I'd like that guy.



josh reynolds :: chief information officerspitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 
12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:

  So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.  
Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open 
carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal 
age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as well but 
this shows his regard for the law IMO.



  My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the 
streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then 
decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them.







  From: Af [mailto:af-b

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Hammett via Af
Well agreed on that latter part. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Cameron Crum via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 9:17:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 


In TX they have to have a specific sign with specific wording otherwise it is 
invalid, although a business is treated much like a home. If they post a no 
weapons sign, it is probably in your best interest to either not carry inside 
or not patronize the business. 






On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




Do you have to obey that sign? In Illinois you do, but in other states, they 
serve no legal purpose. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "James Howard via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 1:54:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 



I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea typically. I 
just had a conversation with the night manager at the local grocery store when 
I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there more than I do) and 
they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store” on the doors. I told him 
they’re basically announcing to criminals that there won’t be anyone in their 
store with a weapon to defend against a robbery, plus they make themselves 
liable for my safety by not allowing me to protect myself. Anyway, his response 
was that if they’re robbed they’re supposed to hit the panic button and give 
the robbers anything they want. I asked him what they do if the robber decides 
to start shooting people. He says “wait for the police”. Nice….. 

I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines. The fact that this police 
chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a gun, not 
doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with. 

Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David 
Clarke. He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this guy 
said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun control. 
He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t answer to or 
speak for the people. 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 


If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in 
Alaska there is concealed carry witho ut a license (which is *awesome* btw). 
You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people. 

That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for trouble. It 
gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element of surprise. It 
also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to commit a crime. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: 





It is all how you “carry” a weapon. Holstered weapons should not be a reason 
for a takedown. Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different thing. 



Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing. Deer 
rifle being use as a spotting scope around people is a different thing... 



And so on. 

50 shades of gray. 

No bright lines in my opinion. 






From: Josh Reynolds via Af 

Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 




There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my jeep, 
right next to a sergeant rank sticker. 

I don't think I'd like that guy. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: 


So now I was interested in who he is. I disagree about him being cool. Here’s a 
quote from him. Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open carry” law 
for years. It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal age and 
aren’t a felon). There are lots of other quotes from him as well but this shows 
his regard for the law IMO. 

My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of 
Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide 
whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them. 





From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 

We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin. I actually had to look up 
who he is. I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union 
but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom 

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-08 Thread Cameron Crum via Af
In TX they have to have a specific sign with specific wording otherwise it
is invalid, although a business is treated much like a home. If they post a
no weapons sign, it is probably in your best interest to either not carry
inside or not patronize the business.



On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Do you have to obey that sign? In Illinois you do, but in other states,
> they serve no legal purpose.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"James Howard via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 5, 2014 1:54:44 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
>
> I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea
> typically.  I just had a conversation with the night manager at the local
> grocery store when I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there
> more than I do) and they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store”
> on the doors.  I told him they’re basically announcing to criminals that
> there won’t be anyone in their store with a weapon to defend against a
> robbery, plus they make themselves liable for my safety by not allowing me
> to protect myself.  Anyway, his response was that if they’re robbed they’re
> supposed to hit the panic button and give the robbers anything they want.
> I asked him what they do if the robber decides to start shooting people.
> He says “wait for the police”.  Nice…..
>
>
>
> I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines.  The fact that this
> police chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a
> gun, not doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with.
>
>
>
> Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David
> Clarke.  He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this
> guy said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun
> control.  He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t
> answer to or speak for the people.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
>
>
>
> If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in
> Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is *awesome*
> btw). You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people.
>
> That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for
> trouble. It gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element
> of surprise. It also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to
> commit a crime.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>
> It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a
> reason for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a
> different thing.
>
>
>
> Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.
> Deer rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different
> thing...
>
>
>
> And so on.
>
> 50 shades of gray.
>
> No bright lines in my opinion.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
>
>
>
> There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my
> jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker.
>
> I don't think I'd like that guy.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
>
> So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.
> Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open
> carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of
> legal age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as
> well but this shows his regard for the law IMO.
>
>
>
> My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the
> streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and
> then decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible
> to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can
> bother them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *James Howard via Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Su

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread James Howard via Af
In Wisconsin the law says that if they have a sign like that you can be charged 
with trespassing if you bring a weapon in that building.  I’m fairly certain 
though that they still have to ask you to leave the first time and if you fail 
to leave or come back a second time that is when you can be charged with 
trespassing.  I’ve heard that the fine is $140.  I’ve heard some police 
departments believe they can confiscate legally licensed weapons at that point 
but it’s not what the law says.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 3:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Do you have to obey that sign? In Illinois you do, but in other states, they 
serve no legal purpose.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "James Howard via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 1:54:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea typically.  I 
just had a conversation with the night manager at the local grocery store when 
I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there more than I do) and 
they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store” on the doors.  I told him 
they’re basically announcing to criminals that there won’t be anyone in their 
store with a weapon to defend against a robbery, plus they make themselves 
liable for my safety by not allowing me to protect myself.  Anyway, his 
response was that if they’re robbed they’re supposed to hit the panic button 
and give the robbers anything they want.  I asked him what they do if the 
robber decides to start shooting people.  He says “wait for the police”.  
Nice…..

I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines.  The fact that this 
police chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a gun, 
not doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with.

Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David 
Clarke.  He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this guy 
said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun control.  
He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t answer to or 
speak for the people.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in 
Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is *awesome* btw). 
You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people.

That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for trouble. It 
gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element of surprise. It 
also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to commit a crime.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a reason 
for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different thing.

Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.  Deer 
rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different thing...

And so on.
50 shades of gray.
No bright lines in my opinion.

From: Josh Reynolds via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my jeep, 
right next to a sergeant rank sticker.

I don't think I'd like that guy.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.  
Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open 
carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal 
age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as well but 
this shows his regard for the law IMO.

My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of 
Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide 
whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

We never hear anything about hi

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread Mike Hammett via Af
Do you have to obey that sign? In Illinois you do, but in other states, they 
serve no legal purpose. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "James Howard via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 1:54:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 



I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea typically. I 
just had a conversation with the night manager at the local grocery store when 
I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there more than I do) and 
they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store” on the doors. I told him 
they’re basically announcing to criminals that there won’t be anyone in their 
store with a weapon to defend against a robbery, plus they make themselves 
liable for my safety by not allowing me to protect myself. Anyway, his response 
was that if they’re robbed they’re supposed to hit the panic button and give 
the robbers anything they want. I asked him what they do if the robber decides 
to start shooting people. He says “wait for the police”. Nice….. 

I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines. The fact that this police 
chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a gun, not 
doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with. 

Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David 
Clarke. He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this guy 
said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun control. 
He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t answer to or 
speak for the people. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 


If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in 
Alaska there is concealed carry witho ut a license (which is *awesome* btw). 
You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people. 

That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for trouble. It 
gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element of surprise. It 
also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to commit a crime. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: 





It is all how you “carry” a weapon. Holstered weapons should not be a reason 
for a takedown. Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different thing. 



Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing. Deer 
rifle being use as a spotting scope around people is a different thing... 



And so on. 

50 shades of gray. 

No bright lines in my opinion. 






From: Josh Reynolds via Af 

Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 




There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my jeep, 
right next to a sergeant rank sticker. 

I don't think I'd like that guy. 

josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com 
On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote: 


So now I was interested in who he is. I disagree about him being cool. Here’s a 
quote from him. Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open carry” law 
for years. It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal age and 
aren’t a felon). There are lots of other quotes from him as well but this shows 
his regard for the law IMO. 

My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of 
Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide 
whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them. 





From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 

We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin. I actually had to look up 
who he is. I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union 
but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom 
Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO). Oh…. He’s the one that was on his 
cell phone during a meeting. I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available 


Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn 



On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 


I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke. 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread Bill Prince via Af

That's just asking for trouble.  Big time.

--
bp


On 12/5/2014 11:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
Deer rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different 
thing...




Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread James Howard via Af
I agree and don’t personally think open carry is a very good idea typically.  I 
just had a conversation with the night manager at the local grocery store when 
I stopped in for something (my wife tends to stop there more than I do) and 
they had very prominent “no weapons allowed in store” on the doors.  I told him 
they’re basically announcing to criminals that there won’t be anyone in their 
store with a weapon to defend against a robbery, plus they make themselves 
liable for my safety by not allowing me to protect myself.  Anyway, his 
response was that if they’re robbed they’re supposed to hit the panic button 
and give the robbers anything they want.  I asked him what they do if the 
robber decides to start shooting people.  He says “wait for the police”.  
Nice…..

I agree with Chuck about there being no bright lines.  The fact that this 
police chief said that this was their policy if they see anyone carrying a gun, 
not doing anything illegal is what I have a problem with.

Josh you probably wouldn’t like him but you’d probably like Sheriff David 
Clarke.  He actually wrote a letter to congress apologizing for what this guy 
said when he testified before a congressional subcommittee about gun control.  
He pointed out that the police chief is appointed and doesn’t answer to or 
speak for the people.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

If you're going to carry (and I do), carry concealed as possible. Here in 
Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is *awesome* btw). 
You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people.

That said, walking around with a visable piece is just asking for trouble. It 
gives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element of surprise. It 
also can make you a target if somebody wants your weapon to commit a crime.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a reason 
for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different thing.

Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.  Deer 
rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different thing...

And so on.
50 shades of gray.
No bright lines in my opinion.

From: Josh Reynolds via Af<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my jeep, 
right next to a sergeant rank sticker.

I don't think I'd like that guy.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer

spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com<http://www.spitwspots.com>
On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:
So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.  
Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open 
carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal 
age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as well but 
this shows his regard for the law IMO.

My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of 
Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide 
whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had to look up 
who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union 
but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom 
Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO).  Oh…. He’s the one that was on his 
cell phone during a meeting.  I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af 
mailto:a

Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af
If you're going to carry (and I do), carryconcealed as possible. Here in 
Alaska there is concealed carry without a license (which is 
*awesome*btw). You'd be amazed at how much nicer it makes people.


That said,walking around with a visable piece is just asking for 
trouble. Itgives you quick access to the weapon, but removes the element 
of surprise. It alsocan make you a target if somebody wants your weapon 
to commit a crime.


josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/05/2014 10:23 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a 
reason for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a 
different thing.
Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.  
Deer rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different 
thing...

And so on.
50 shades of gray.
No bright lines in my opinion.
*From:* Josh Reynolds via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
There is a very prominent "come and takethem" sticker on the back of 
my jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker.


I don't think I'd like that guy.
josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots ::www.spitwspots.com
On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:


So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being 
cool.  Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve 
had an “open carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm 
(assuming you are of legal age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots 
of other quotes from him as well but this shows his regard for the 
law IMO.


My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the 
streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away 
and then decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s 
irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it 
openly no one can bother them.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard 
via Af

*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had 
to look up who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote 
from the police union but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett 
recently (being backed by Tom Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing 
IMO).  Oh…. He’s the one that was on his cell phone during a 
meeting.  I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy 
via Af

*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David 
Clarke.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] 
*On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af

*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


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enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking 
candidates to fill the following positions:


- Installation / Tower Technician
- Network Engineer
- Network Operations Manager

Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com 
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Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread Chuck McCown via Af
It is all how you “carry” a weapon.  Holstered weapons should not be a reason 
for a takedown.  Pulling it out and pointing it around is a different thing.

Deer rifle slung across your back during hunting season is one thing.  Deer 
rifle being use as a spotting scope around people  is a different thing...

And so on.  
50 shades of gray.  
No bright lines in my opinion.  

From: Josh Reynolds via Af 
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

There is a very prominent "come and take them" sticker on the back of my jeep, 
right next to a sergeant rank sticker.

I don't think I'd like that guy.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comOn 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af 
wrote:

  So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.  
Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open 
carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal 
age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as well but 
this shows his regard for the law IMO.

   

  My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets 
of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide 
whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them.

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

   

  We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had to look 
up who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police 
union but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by 
Tom Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO).  Oh…. He’s the one that was on 
his cell phone during a meeting.  I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee.

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

   

  Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

   

  On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af  wrote:

  I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke.  

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
  Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

   

  Milwaukee has a cool police chief

   

  On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

  Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the enterprise, 
education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking candidates to fill the 
following positions:

  - Installation / Tower Technician
  - Network Engineer
  - Network Operations Manager

  Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com.





   

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Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread Josh Reynolds via Af
There is a very prominent "come and takethem" sticker on the back of my 
jeep, right next to a sergeant rank sticker.


I don't think I'd like that guy.

josh reynolds :: chief information officer
spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com

On 12/05/2014 08:51 AM, James Howard via Af wrote:


So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being 
cool.  Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve 
had an “open carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm 
(assuming you are of legal age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of 
other quotes from him as well but this shows his regard for the law IMO.


My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the 
streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away 
and then decide whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s 
irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it 
openly no one can bother them.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard via Af
*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had to 
look up who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from 
the police union but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett 
recently (being backed by Tom Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing 
IMO).  Oh…. He’s the one that was on his cell phone during a meeting.  
I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af
*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David 
Clarke.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] 
*On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af

*Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the 
enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking 
candidates to fill the following positions:


- Installation / Tower Technician
- Network Engineer
- Network Operations Manager

Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com 
<mailto:j...@ethoplex.com>.




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2014-12-05 Thread James Howard via Af
So now I was interested in who he is.   I disagree about him being cool.  
Here’s a quote from him.  Keep in mind that in Wisconsin we’ve had an “open 
carry” law for years.  It’s legal to carry a firearm (assuming you are of legal 
age and aren’t a felon).  There are lots of other quotes from him as well but 
this shows his regard for the law IMO.

My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of 
Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide 
whether you have a right to carry it. . . . It’s irresponsible to send a 
message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had to look up 
who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union 
but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom 
Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO).  Oh…. He’s the one that was on his 
cell phone during a meeting.  I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the enterprise, 
education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking candidates to fill the 
following positions:

- Installation / Tower Technician
- Network Engineer
- Network Operations Manager

Interested candidates can email resumes to 
j...@ethoplex.com<mailto:j...@ethoplex.com>.



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Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread James Howard via Af
We never hear anything about him here in Wisconsin.  I actually had to look up 
who he is.  I see that he had a 100% no confidence vote from the police union 
but was backed by Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett recently (being backed by Tom 
Barrett isn’t necessarily a good thing IMO).  Oh…. He’s the one that was on his 
cell phone during a meeting.  I didn’t realize that was in Milwaukee.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

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- Installation / Tower Technician
- Network Engineer
- Network Operations Manager

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Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread That One Guy via Af
Hes cool too, but Im talking about Edward Flynn

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 11:19 AM, James Howard via Af  wrote:

> I’m guessing you’re thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David
> Clarke.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available
>
>
>
> Milwaukee has a cool police chief
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:
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> Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the
> enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking
> candidates to fill the following positions:
>
> - Installation / Tower Technician
> - Network Engineer
> - Network Operations Manager
>
> Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com.
>
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-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread That One Guy via Af
Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af  wrote:

> Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the
> enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking
> candidates to fill the following positions:
>
> - Installation / Tower Technician
> - Network Engineer
> - Network Operations Manager
>
> Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com.
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925


Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread James Howard via Af
I'm guessing you're thinking of the Milwaukee County Sheriff, David Clarke.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Positions Available

Milwaukee has a cool police chief

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Keefe John via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the enterprise, 
education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking candidates to fill the 
following positions:

- Installation / Tower Technician
- Network Engineer
- Network Operations Manager

Interested candidates can email resumes to 
j...@ethoplex.com<mailto:j...@ethoplex.com>.



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IBM maintenance manual, 1925

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[AFMUG] Positions Available

2014-12-05 Thread Keefe John via Af
Ethoplex, a Milwaukee-based fixed-wireless operator serving the 
enterprise, education, healthcare, and carrier markets, is seeking 
candidates to fill the following positions:


- Installation / Tower Technician
- Network Engineer
- Network Operations Manager

Interested candidates can email resumes to j...@ethoplex.com.