[AFMUG] SAF OMT Labels backward

[Steve Jones]

We finally got our first 2+0 deployed this weekend. LEAX-Arkivator OMT
label is backward on the polatity FYI. If you have these out, you might
check to make sure that youre not operating on the wrong polarity. the
stamp on the face is correct though

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[Stefan Englhardt]

Regardless what you do you have to test and hope.

 

We have a Lumina Link with builtin fiber. On one side a netonix-switch with a 
Mikrotik SFP had the problem that Lumina shows half-duplex and some errors. 
After upgrading Netonix this seems to be ok.

Upgrading the Lumina make the connection on the other side (KTI-Switch with 
LevelOne SFP) fail while the Netonix side still works. Links up but no data 
flow. Downgrading the Luminas made it working again.

 

So there are different kinds of incompatibility and they depend on used 
Firmware. Where possible I use good old Ethernet …

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Jones
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2017 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

 

we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module listed on 
the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them with the ccr1072?

 

I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether to do this 
in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with everything) or to do it in 
the router directly

 

Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik quirks with 
unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[George Skorup]

Is SAF vendor locking their SFP cages? If not, then you don't need to 
use their SFPs. But I guess from a support perspective, you'd probably 
want to use their SFP in their radios, so they can't blame the optic. 
But then they'll just blame the fiber or terminations or gear at the 
other end. It's always your fault, or someone else. Not saying that 
about SAF, just vendors in general.


If you're asking if you need the same module on the other side (in the 
MikroTik or whatever), no.


Here's the MikroTik branded equivalent if that's what you want: 
https://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-single-mode-ddm-sfp-transceiver.html


I've used over a hundred of these the past couple years with no 
failures. In MikroTik's and various switches. 
https://www.fs.com/products/29849.html They're cheap enough to have lots 
of spares.


I've done LACP on MikroTik just fine. It's in software, but I'd think 
that 1072 should be able to handle it. I don't see anything wrong going 
the switch route other than possibly buffer issues. If the switch can't 
handle the radios dumping their ethernet buffers, then you're not gonna 
have a good time. That's purely speculation on my part, but something 
you should keep in mind.


On 12/19/2017 9:11 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module 
listed on the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them 
with the ccr1072?


I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether 
to do this in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with 
everything) or to do it in the router directly


Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik 
quirks with unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

[AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[Steve Jones]

we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module
listed on the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them with
the ccr1072?

I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether to do
this in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with everything) or to
do it in the router directly

Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik quirks
with unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

Re: [AFMUG] SAF

[Colin Stanners]

SurplusWirelessGear
LastMileGear

really, all the gears

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 12:27 PM,  wrote:

> Who-all sells SAF?
>

[AFMUG] SAF

[chuck]

Who-all sells SAF?

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Steve Jones]

we just got two links in without the antennas yet. I guess we will find out
how well they work, these are super short los links. I like the one radio
design, I dont like the radio doesnt have a lanyard hook


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> We get between 360-480Mbps with 40MHz channels.  One of the dishes 4’
> wasn’t aligned properly so I’m down about 8 dBi from what it should be.
> Had it right day 1, then climbers went back up the next day and somebody
> moved the dish by accident to fix a tower peg issue.  Didn’t catch it until
> they were gone.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs
> Mimosa b11
>
>
>
> excluding fade related issues, what kind of throughput do you get at 50
> miles?
>
> I wish their linkplanner wasn't all buggy
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles.  Haven’t had a single
> issue with any of them.  On my 50 mile link under about 80% load capacity,
> I get 2-5ms.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 8:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs
> Mimosa b11
>
>
>
> Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
> whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps
>
>
>
> Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
> everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.
>
>
>
> Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
> though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
> We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
> weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
> of them sounds pretty good.
>
>
>
> I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
> 11ghz, nobody would quote us
>
>
>
> the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on
> the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called
>
>
>
> are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is
> nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Rory Conaway]

We get between 360-480Mbps with 40MHz channels.  One of the dishes 4’ wasn’t 
aligned properly so I’m down about 8 dBi from what it should be.  Had it right 
day 1, then climbers went back up the next day and somebody moved the dish by 
accident to fix a tower peg issue.  Didn’t catch it until they were gone.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

excluding fade related issues, what kind of throughput do you get at 50 miles?
I wish their linkplanner wasn't all buggy

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles.  Haven’t had a single issue 
with any of them.  On my 50 mile link under about 80% load capacity, I get 
2-5ms.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps

-Sean


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to 
whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps

Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers 
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.

Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more, though 
I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy. We already 
commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and weve been told 
its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all of them sounds 
pretty good.

I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into 11ghz, 
nobody would quote us

the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on the 
other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called

are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is nice, but 
I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Mathew Howard]

We had a lot of issues with our first B11 link, but after we eventually got
the original made in California flakey radios with newer made in China
ones, both our links have been working fine. You can get a full gig through
a B11 link, but they seem to me a lot less consistent tan a normal licensed
radio, so I'm not sure I'd plan on them doing much over 700mbps anyway.
Airfiber 11 really isn't a bad option, they'll probably get you 500-600mbps
and they're half the price of anything else.

On Jul 25, 2017 1:30 AM, "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles.  Haven’t had a single
> issue with any of them.  On my 50 mile link under about 80% load capacity,
> I get 2-5ms.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 8:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs
> Mimosa b11
>
>
>
> Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
> whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps
>
>
>
> Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
> everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.
>
>
>
> Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
> though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
> We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
> weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
> of them sounds pretty good.
>
>
>
> I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
> 11ghz, nobody would quote us
>
>
>
> the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on
> the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called
>
>
>
> are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is
> nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Gino A. Villarini]

What kind of channels you have available on this path? This would really define 
the performance you can get out of the B11, which is a hex radio and takes 2x 
the spectrum to deliver the same capacity as a fdx radio.

Have you thought of AF11x? We are getting good results with them.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Steve 
Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 10:57 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to 
whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps

Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers 
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.

Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more, though 
I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy. We already 
commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and weve been told 
its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all of them sounds 
pretty good.

I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into 11ghz, 
nobody would quote us

the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on the 
other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called

are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is nice, but 
I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Steve Jones]

excluding fade related issues, what kind of throughput do you get at 50
miles?
I wish their linkplanner wasn't all buggy

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles.  Haven’t had a single
> issue with any of them.  On my 50 mile link under about 80% load capacity,
> I get 2-5ms.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 8:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs
> Mimosa b11
>
>
>
> Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
> whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps
>
>
>
> Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
> everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.
>
>
>
> Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
> though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
> We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
> weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
> of them sounds pretty good.
>
>
>
> I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
> 11ghz, nobody would quote us
>
>
>
> the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on
> the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called
>
>
>
> are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is
> nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Rory Conaway]

I’ve got 3 11GHz Mimosa links up, one at 50 miles.  Haven’t had a single issue 
with any of them.  On my 50 mile link under about 80% load capacity, I get 
2-5ms.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps

-Sean


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to 
whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps

Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers 
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.

Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more, though 
I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy. We already 
commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and weve been told 
its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all of them sounds 
pretty good.

I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into 11ghz, 
nobody would quote us

the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on the 
other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called

are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is nice, but 
I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Sean Heskett]

Use the SAF integra and you'll get 948Mbps

-Sean


On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:57 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
> whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps
>
> Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
> everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.
>
> Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
> though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
> We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
> weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
> of them sounds pretty good.
>
> I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
> 11ghz, nobody would quote us
>
> the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on
> the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called
>
> are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is
> nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[George Skorup]

A traditional FDD link is always going to give you microsecond latency 
and full-duplex capacity. That's what I want in our network since we 
have bandwidth coming in from multiple directions at diverse sites.


On 7/24/2017 9:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 
to whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps


Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers 
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.


Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do 
more, though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little 
more buggy. We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on 
the network, and weve been told its all software defined do a single 
unit to spare for all of them sounds pretty good.


I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got 
into 11ghz, nobody would quote us


the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' 
on the other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called


are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is 
nice, but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them

[AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina link aggregation in 2+0 mode vs Mimosa b11

[Steve Jones]

We are looking at raising capacity on one of our major link from 366 to
whatever. SAF 2+0 says in the documentation we can go up to 732mbps

Mimosa, with the same antenna characteristics claims different numbers
everytime I look at the report. their path profile tool is junk.

Its a lot of radio sticking with SAF, and supposedly mimosa can do more,
though I suspect its like the ubnt of licensed links, a little more buggy.
We already commited to two mimosa 11ghz links elsewhere on the network, and
weve been told its all software defined do a single unit to spare for all
of them sounds pretty good.

I haven't actually priced cambium, mainly because when we first got into
11ghz, nobody would quote us

the link is just a little over 10 miles and has a 3' on one side, 4' on the
other, with whatever the SAF interface mount is called

are these mimosa radios worth their salt? theyre dirt cheap, which is nice,
but I'm not feeling a lot of joy so far with them

Re: [AFMUG] SAF lumina and mikrotik

[George Skorup]

I've had no issues with 6GHz Lumina's talking to CRS210's. But these are 
waveguide up the towers, so it's only about 3 feet of ethernet and 
direct power from a PacketFlux PDU, but there are GigE-APCs in between.


In fact, those radios have been running for 467 days without a single 
error on any port. The only issue I've had with them is ACM shifting 
around during fades and then one side or both will get stuck on a lower 
modulation. At least I figured out they don't need a reboot. Just a 
simple 'execute config' on the ACM settings will fix it.


On 7/13/2017 6:45 PM, Matt wrote:

How long is your cable run?  Been seeing similar issues with SAF to
Mikrotik CRS.  Removed some excess cable off one tower and helped.
Still have some errors though.  We have APC-GIGE arrestors in the loop
too.  I also have issues getting gigabit with PTP450, SyncInjector too
CRS when using APC-GIGE arrestors.  I guess that's an issue with
Canopy sync over power?  If we take the arrestor out they seem to hold
fine.  I imagine its a matter of adding all the parts together that
drags it down.


On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

is there any known issue with these things talking to each other. the two
luminas on a link drop to 100mb on the ethernet, I have a script somebody
gave me here to flap the mikrotik port and bring it back up to full gig.
They both have the transtector SS that came with them. I locked the mikrotik
to 1000 but it still flaps like the SAF occasionally tries to renegotiate
like the donald. Saf only shows 100 as an option to lock it

Re: [AFMUG] SAF lumina and mikrotik

[Matt]

How long is your cable run?  Been seeing similar issues with SAF to
Mikrotik CRS.  Removed some excess cable off one tower and helped.
Still have some errors though.  We have APC-GIGE arrestors in the loop
too.  I also have issues getting gigabit with PTP450, SyncInjector too
CRS when using APC-GIGE arrestors.  I guess that's an issue with
Canopy sync over power?  If we take the arrestor out they seem to hold
fine.  I imagine its a matter of adding all the parts together that
drags it down.


On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> is there any known issue with these things talking to each other. the two
> luminas on a link drop to 100mb on the ethernet, I have a script somebody
> gave me here to flap the mikrotik port and bring it back up to full gig.
> They both have the transtector SS that came with them. I locked the mikrotik
> to 1000 but it still flaps like the SAF occasionally tries to renegotiate
> like the donald. Saf only shows 100 as an option to lock it

Re: [AFMUG] SAF lumina and mikrotik

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Maybe try an FPoE? We've had numerous issues with older SAFs deciding to drop 
down to 100M on copper ports. I usually blame it on the person making crappy 
ends.. :)

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 17:00, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> is there any known issue with these things talking to each other. the two 
> luminas on a link drop to 100mb on the ethernet, I have a script somebody 
> gave me here to flap the mikrotik port and bring it back up to full gig. They 
> both have the transtector SS that came with them. I locked the mikrotik to 
> 1000 but it still flaps like the SAF occasionally tries to renegotiate like 
> the donald. Saf only shows 100 as an option to lock it

[AFMUG] SAF lumina and mikrotik

[Steve Jones]

is there any known issue with these things talking to each other. the two
luminas on a link drop to 100mb on the ethernet, I have a script somebody
gave me here to flap the mikrotik port and bring it back up to full gig.
They both have the transtector SS that came with them. I locked the
mikrotik to 1000 but it still flaps like the SAF occasionally tries to
renegotiate like the donald. Saf only shows 100 as an option to lock it

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina firmware

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Thank-you, I missed that.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina firmware

You have to have registered an account. Once you login there will be firmware 
download options available for each device in their support section.

On Feb 18, 2017, at 10:51, Andreas Wiatowski 
<andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>> wrote:
Hi All,

Doing some upgrades.  I have absolutely no idea where to find the SAF Lumina 
firmware.  Anyone have an archive they can share or a link?  Their website has 
nothing.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina firmware

[Cassidy B. Larson]

You have to have registered an account. Once you login there will be firmware 
download options available for each device in their support section. 


> On Feb 18, 2017, at 10:51, Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> Doing some upgrades.  I have absolutely no idea where to find the SAF Lumina 
> firmware.  Anyone have an archive they can share or a link?  Their website 
> has nothing.
>  
> Cheers,
> __
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
> 19 Sage Court
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
> +1.866.727.4138
>  

[AFMUG] SAF Lumina firmware

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Hi All,

Doing some upgrades.  I have absolutely no idea where to find the SAF Lumina 
firmware.  Anyone have an archive they can share or a link?  Their website has 
nothing.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Sam Lambie]

https://saftehnika.com/files/downloads/3982de02-6276-e211-bc32-0050569aa6cf/SAF_FreeMile_FODU_17-24_TD_EN_V%201%205.pdf

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Kerry  wrote:

> That's a good question, I went to their download section (where it's
> supposed to be) and tried to find it and it is NOT THERE!
>
>
>
> On 12/22/2016 3:00 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Ok dumb question. where does one get the firmware? SAF Site doesn't have
> it
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Thanks guys. I'll upgrade tomorrow morning and let you know what happens.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kerry  wrote:
>>
>>> I got a SAF newsletter today touting new firmware. Read it here
>>>
>>> http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4e62570a1e355fa4501c44a4
>>> a=8b5b302a36=26fe4b655f
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2016 12:10 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and 5 minute
>>> polling gets you 114Mbps.
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out (10/24/2016)
>>> and it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:
>>>
>>> - SNMP: All counters are 64bit
>>> - GENERAL: All counters are 64bit
>>>
>>> Only been four years since the last release :)
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running
 2.64.33.


 On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

> If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit
> counters.
>
> Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
>
> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
>> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
>> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
>> Aggravating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually
>>> at all.
>>> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Sam Lambie
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Kerry]

That's a good question, I went to their download section (where it's 
supposed to be) and tried to find it and it is NOT THERE!




On 12/22/2016 3:00 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Ok dumb question. where does one get the firmware? SAF Site doesn't 
have it


On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:


Thanks guys. I'll upgrade tomorrow morning and let you know what
happens.


On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kerry > wrote:

I got a SAF newsletter today touting new firmware. Read it here


http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4e62570a1e355fa4501c44a4a=8b5b302a36=26fe4b655f




On 12/22/2016 12:10 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and
5 minute polling gets you 114Mbps.

On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out
(10/24/2016) and it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:

- SNMP: All counters are 64bit
- GENERAL: All counters are 64bit

Only been four years since the last release :)

-c




On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie
> wrote:

Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not
so sure.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup
> wrote:

I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link
running 2.64.33.


On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s
will do 64 bit counters.

Freemiles, I’m doubtful.

On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt
> wrote:

We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs
and scripts doing SNMP.
With our SAF licensed links we had to update
from pulling stats every
5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters
rolling over.
Aggravating.




On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie
> wrote:

We can't seem to get a Freemile link to
report properly, or actually at all.
Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support
64 bit counters?
Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 





-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 









-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 




--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Cassidy B. Larson]

You have to be registered and login to see the firmware downloads. Just sign up 
and they should create you a login

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 13:00, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> Ok dumb question. where does one get the firmware? SAF Site doesn't have 
> it
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>> Thanks guys. I'll upgrade tomorrow morning and let you know what happens.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kerry  wrote:
>>> I got a SAF newsletter today touting new firmware. Read it here
>>> 
>>> http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4e62570a1e355fa4501c44a4a=8b5b302a36=26fe4b655f
>>> 
 On 12/22/2016 12:10 AM, George Skorup wrote:
 Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and 5 minute 
 polling gets you 114Mbps.
 
> On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
> Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out (10/24/2016) 
> and it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:
> 
> - SNMP: All counters are 64bit
> - GENERAL: All counters are 64bit
> 
> Only been four years since the last release :)
> 
> -c
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie   
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup  
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
 If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit 
 counters.
 
 Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
 
> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
> Aggravating.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  
>> wrote:
>> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually 
>> at all.
>> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -- 
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -- 
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Sam Lambie]

Ok dumb question. where does one get the firmware? SAF Site doesn't have
it

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Thanks guys. I'll upgrade tomorrow morning and let you know what happens.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kerry  wrote:
>
>> I got a SAF newsletter today touting new firmware. Read it here
>>
>> http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4e62570a1e355fa4501c44a4
>> a=8b5b302a36=26fe4b655f
>>
>> On 12/22/2016 12:10 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and 5 minute
>> polling gets you 114Mbps.
>>
>> On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>
>> Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out (10/24/2016)
>> and it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:
>>
>> - SNMP: All counters are 64bit
>> - GENERAL: All counters are 64bit
>>
>> Only been four years since the last release :)
>>
>> -c
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>>
 If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit
 counters.

 Freemiles, I’m doubtful.

 On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
> Aggravating.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie 
> wrote:
>
>> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually
>> at all.
>> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Sam Lambie]

Thanks guys. I'll upgrade tomorrow morning and let you know what happens.


On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Kerry  wrote:

> I got a SAF newsletter today touting new firmware. Read it here
>
> http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4e62570a1e355fa4501c44a4a=
> 8b5b302a36=26fe4b655f
>
> On 12/22/2016 12:10 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and 5 minute
> polling gets you 114Mbps.
>
> On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>
> Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out (10/24/2016) and
> it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:
>
> - SNMP: All counters are 64bit
> - GENERAL: All counters are 64bit
>
> Only been four years since the last release :)
>
> -c
>
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>
>>> If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.
>>>
>>> Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:

 We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
 With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
 Aggravating.




 On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:

> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually
> at all.
> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Kerry]

I got a SAF newsletter today touting new firmware. Read it here

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=4e62570a1e355fa4501c44a4a=8b5b302a36=26fe4b655f


On 12/22/2016 12:10 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and 5 minute 
polling gets you 114Mbps.


On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out 
(10/24/2016) and it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:


- SNMP: All counters are 64bit
- GENERAL: All counters are 64bit

Only been four years since the last release :)

-c



On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:


Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running
2.64.33.


On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64
bit counters.

Freemiles, I’m doubtful.

On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt
> wrote:

We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts
doing SNMP.
With our SAF licensed links we had to update from
pulling stats every
5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
Aggravating.




On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie
> wrote:

We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report
properly, or actually at all.
Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit
counters?
Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 





--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[George Skorup]

Isn't the Freemile a 100Mb radio though? 32-bit counters and 5 minute 
polling gets you 114Mbps.


On 12/21/2016 11:00 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out (10/24/2016) 
and it supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:


- SNMP: All counters are 64bit
- GENERAL: All counters are 64bit

Only been four years since the last release :)

-c



On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:


Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running
2.64.33.


On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64
bit counters.

Freemiles, I’m doubtful.

On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt
> wrote:

We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts
doing SNMP.
With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling
stats every
5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
Aggravating.




On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie
> wrote:

We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report
properly, or actually at all.
Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit
counters?
Thanks

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 





--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Actually looks like SAF Freemile v1.70.14 firmware is out (10/24/2016) and it 
supports 64-bit counters via SNMP:

- SNMP: All counters are 64bit
- GENERAL: All counters are 64bit

Only been four years since the last release :)

-c



> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
> If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.
> 
> Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
> 
> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  > wrote:
> 
> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
> Aggravating.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  > wrote:
> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at all.
> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
> Thanks
> 
> --
> --
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598  Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Cassidy B. Larson]

They’re easy. Just do the far side first like anything.


> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
>> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.
> 
> Hmm, running CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.63.45 and I know I had counter
> issues.  How scary is updating firmware on SAF?  Settings lost?
> 
> 
>>> If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.
>>> 
>>> Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
>>> 
 On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
 
 We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
 With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
 Aggravating.
 
 
 
 
 On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> 
> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at
> all.
> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
> Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[George Skorup]

I've never upgraded any. This is our only Lumina link and that's what 
they came with.


On 12/21/2016 3:46 PM, Matt wrote:

I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.

Hmm, running CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.63.45 and I know I had counter
issues.  How scary is updating firmware on SAF?  Settings lost?



If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.

Freemiles, I’m doubtful.


On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:

We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
Aggravating.




On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at
all.
Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Sam Lambie]

Yeah, Lumina and Intregra handle 64 bit fine. Freemile, not so sure.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:40 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.
>
>
> On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>
>> If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.
>>
>> Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
>>> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
>>> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
>>> Aggravating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at
 all.
 Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
 Thanks

 --
 --
 Sam Lambie
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 Office
 www.Taosnet.com

>>>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Matt]

> I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.

Hmm, running CFIP Lumina FODU - v2.63.45 and I know I had counter
issues.  How scary is updating firmware on SAF?  Settings lost?


>> If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.
>>
>> Freemiles, I’m doubtful.
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
>>> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
>>> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
>>> Aggravating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

 We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at
 all.
 Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
 Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[George Skorup]

I'm polling 64bit interface counters from a Lumina link running 2.64.33.

On 12/21/2016 3:36 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.

Freemiles, I’m doubtful.


On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:

We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
Aggravating.




On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at all.
Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
Thanks

--
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575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Cassidy B. Larson]

If I remember right recent firmwares on Lumina’s will do 64 bit counters.

Freemiles, I’m doubtful.

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
> With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
> 5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
> Aggravating.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at all.
>> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Matt]

We monitor about everything with MRTG graphs and scripts doing SNMP.
With our SAF licensed links we had to update from pulling stats every
5 minutes to every 1 minute due to counters rolling over.
Aggravating.




On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
> We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at all.
> Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
> Thanks
>
> --
> --
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

[AFMUG] SAF SNMP and 64 bit counters.

[Sam Lambie]

We can't seem to get a Freemile link to report properly, or actually at
all. Does anyone know if SAF Freemiles support 64 bit counters?
Thanks

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Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Stats

[Matt Corcoran]

We monitor them via SNMP so that we have graphs. We can see if the wind knocks 
one out of normal alignment, and watch the signal drop momentarily in heavy 
rainfall.
 

On 12/20/16, 5:23 PM, "Af on behalf of Matt"  wrote:

Is there any easy way on a SAF Lumina link to tell how long the RF
session has been up and how long the Ethernet session has been up?

[AFMUG] SAF Stats

[Matt]

Is there any easy way on a SAF Lumina link to tell how long the RF
session has been up and how long the Ethernet session has been up?

Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Daniel White]

Yep.  And from what I remember SOP is to replace the board with the power 
circuity rather than fix components.



Also $200+ of that is in shipping as well.  It is expensive to send radios back 
and forth from Latvia :-)



It is still cheaper than buying new radios.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 10:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



In their defense, they may also do a full parametric test and calibration of 
the radio.  May also use new gaskets when reassembling.



From: Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 10:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



I didn't like the repair cycle time but I thought the money was reasonable. 
Mine was fried by lightning and they repaired it. I think they three in a new 
board.



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:04 PM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net 
<mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

We can take a look at it for sure.  Most P problems are fixable, if that is 
what really is wrong with it



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:16 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



You just made Chuck M’s day.



From: Gino Villarini <mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:10 PM

To: Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



in our experience UBNT AF line is above UBNT... similar to Cambium



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com 
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched 
since they were installed. Some 5 years old.

On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any UBNT 
product

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com 
<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com> > wrote:

with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its har to 
pay those $900!



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Paul might be willing to take a look at it.



From: Daniel White <mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth it IMHO.



You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?



SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a bit too 
much




 
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Ken Hohhof]

In their defense, they may also do a full parametric test and calibration of 
the radio.  May also use new gaskets when reassembling.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

I didn't like the repair cycle time but I thought the money was reasonable. 
Mine was fried by lightning and they repaired it. I think they three in a new 
board.



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:04 PM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

  We can take a look at it for sure.  Most P problems are fixable, if that is 
what really is wrong with it



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:16 PM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?




  You just made Chuck M’s day.



  From: Gino Villarini 

  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:10 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



  in our experience UBNT AF line is above UBNT... similar to Cambium 



  On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched 
since they were installed. Some 5 years old.

On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any 
UBNT product

  On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. 
its har to pay those $900!



On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Paul might be willing to take a look at it.  



  From: Daniel White 

  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



  I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is 
worth it IMHO.



  You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.



  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
  To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



  Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?



  SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its 
a bit too much




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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Lewis Bergman]

I didn't like the repair cycle time but I thought the money was reasonable.
Mine was fried by lightning and they repaired it. I think they three in a
new board.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016, 10:04 PM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> We can take a look at it for sure.  Most P problems are fixable, if that
> is what really is wrong with it
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 4:16 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>
>
>
> You just made Chuck M’s day.
>
>
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:10 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>
>
>
> in our experience UBNT AF line is above UBNT... similar to Cambium
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched
> since they were installed. Some 5 years old.
>
> On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any
> UBNT product
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its
> har to pay those $900!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Paul might be willing to take a look at it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>
>
>
> I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth it
> IMHO.
>
>
>
> You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>
>
>
> Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?
>
>
>
> SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a bit
> too much
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Paul McCall]

We can take a look at it for sure.  Most P problems are fixable, if that is 
what really is wrong with it

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 4:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

You just made Chuck M’s day.

From: Gino Villarini<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

in our experience UBNT AF line is above UBNT... similar to Cambium

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched 
since they were installed. Some 5 years old.

On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any UBNT 
product

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its har to 
pay those $900!

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
Paul might be willing to take a look at it.

From: Daniel White<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth it IMHO.

You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?

SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a bit too 
much

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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[chuck]

You just made Chuck M’s day.

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:10 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

in our experience UBNT AF line is above UBNT... similar to Cambium 

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched 
since they were installed. Some 5 years old.


  On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any UBNT 
product

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:

  with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its 
har to pay those $900!

  On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Paul might be willing to take a look at it.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth 
it IMHO.



You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?



SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a 
bit too much


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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Gino Villarini]

in our experience UBNT AF line is above UBNT... similar to Cambium

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched
> since they were installed. Some 5 years old.
>
> On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any
>> UBNT product
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its
>>> har to pay those $900!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul might be willing to take a look at it.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth
>>>> it IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Daniel White
>>>>
>>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>>
>>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>>
>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>>
>>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a
>>>> bit too much
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Josh Reynolds]

I have alpha, beta, and release radios from them that haven't been touched
since they were installed. Some 5 years old.

On Sep 16, 2016 1:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any
> UBNT product
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its
>> har to pay those $900!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul might be willing to take a look at it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth
>>> it IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>
>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a
>>> bit too much
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Josh Baird]

Maybe not.. but AF-24's are pretty much set-and-forget if they are
installed properly.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:23 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any
> UBNT product
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its
>> har to pay those $900!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul might be willing to take a look at it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth
>>> it IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>
>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a
>>> bit too much
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I have a hard time believing youll get the SAF set and forget from any UBNT
product

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its
> har to pay those $900!
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul might be willing to take a look at it.
>>
>> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>
>>
>> I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth
>> it IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>
>> ConVergence Technologies
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?
>>
>>
>>
>> SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a
>> bit too much
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Gino Villarini]

with mimosa radios at $1400 and UBNT comming out with a $700 radio.. its
har to pay those $900!

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 2:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Paul might be willing to take a look at it.
>
> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>
>
> I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth it
> IMHO.
>
>
>
> You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?
>
>
>
> Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?
>
>
>
> SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a bit
> too much
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[chuck]

Paul might be willing to take a look at it.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth it IMHO.

 

You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

 

Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?

 

SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a bit too 
much


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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?

[Daniel White]

I’ll let SAF speak for itself, but what they do for that money is worth it IMHO.



You never know where the rabbit hole goes with ESD damage.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 8:34 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina Repairs?



Anyone know who offers out of warranty Lumina repairs?



SAF is charging us $900+ for ESD/Surge damaged radios... I think its a bit too 
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[AFMUG] SAF Integra Cacti template

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Gang,

I was wondering if anyone had a Cacti template for the SAF Integra backhaul.

Thanks,
Sean

[AFMUG] SAF Lumina SNMP

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Is there a way to leave SNMP open to 0.0.0.0/0 ? I can add multiple SNMP
hosts, but the source ip of the query could change
Defaultly they dont respond until you add snmp hosts
Our radios are all on non public IP space and im absolutely not concerned
about it if someone on our network figures out how to run a read only query

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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Well, SAF responded quickly to my query on this, I havent had a chance to
test it but since the path instead of radio to radio it would be radio1
router1 radio1 radio2 router2 radio2 I think the delay would be negligible

By default service packets are running only with 1 hop TTL limit, which is
radio - radio and these packets are running only on WAN ports,  in case
if your network topology can't be configured as standard design and
requires custom configuration approx. like this:

MNG (192.168.100.10) - ROUTER (192.168.100.1|192.168.205.1)- Lumina_local
(192.168.205.10)- Lumina_remote (192.168.200.11)- Router
(192.168.200.1|192.168.xxx.xxx) configuration should be done in such manner:

1) In command line (WEB GUI: Tools-Command line) enter: modem ipremote
off on both radios;

2) Go to IP Configuration page, specify IP addresses and gateways on both
radios, as required by network design. Specify IP address of remote unit in
Remote IP address field on both radios. Make sure that you have access to
both radios WEB GUI;

3) In command line enter net mngttl hop count on both radios.  To avoid
excess service packets in your network you need to enter the exact count of
hops from one side to other plus one (CFIP Lumina);

4) Test setup and save configuration on both radios;

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 4:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 well shit

 On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote:

 Yup, they talk to each other via IP. We ran into the same thing with our
 SAFs.. Kinda silly, I think.

 Vlad


 On 8/7/2015 3:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is
 displaying the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link that it
 is displaying, with the exception that the working one both radios are on
 the same subnet, this one they are on serarate /30. do the pull remote side
 data via ip, or am i missing something here

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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

well shit

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Vlad Sedov v...@atlasok.com wrote:

 Yup, they talk to each other via IP. We ran into the same thing with our
 SAFs.. Kinda silly, I think.

 Vlad


 On 8/7/2015 3:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

 Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is
 displaying the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link that it
 is displaying, with the exception that the working one both radios are on
 the same subnet, this one they are on serarate /30. do the pull remote side
 data via ip, or am i missing something here

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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

[Vlad Sedov]

Yup, they talk to each other via IP. We ran into the same thing with our 
SAFs.. Kinda silly, I think.


Vlad

On 8/7/2015 3:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is 
displaying the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link 
that it is displaying, with the exception that the working one both 
radios are on the same subnet, this one they are on serarate /30. do 
the pull remote side data via ip, or am i missing something here


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[AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is
displaying the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link that it
is displaying, with the exception that the working one both radios are on
the same subnet, this one they are on serarate /30. do the pull remote side
data via ip, or am i missing something here

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Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina not displaying remote side info

[Roland Houin]

I've seen it as well.
I have concluded that the radios each communicate with each other via ip.
if they are not on the same subnet you will have trouble until the network  is 
connected/routed.
I have noticed that (with the Integra W's were using) the management ports 
bridge traffic across the link.
be careful here, caused us no end of grief.
SAF seems suprised that we have an issue with out of band management ports 
bridging traffic across the link.

Roland

 Aligning a SAF link, its up, passing traffic, just neither side is displaying
the remote info, config is thesame as our other saf link that it is displaying,
with the exception that the working one both radios are on the same subnet,
this one they are on serarate /30. do the pull remote side data via ip, or am i
missing something here

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Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yeah, but nothing is enough for bank auditors, they want armed guards with
dod clearance escorting each data packet

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 What platform?



 Integra/Integra-S and PhoeniX-C has AES encryption you can purchase.



 Everything else… there isn’t a physical security layer like what you
 describe.  Narrow beamwidth parabolic antennas, proprietary radios, and the
 fac that the link would have to drop for another radio to register are
 security enough for most licensed installations.



 Thank you,



 Daniel White

 afmu...@gmail.com

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84: Twitter
 https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:22 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf link security question



 Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
 dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
 the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
 lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
 with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
 names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
 have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
 Craig.



 *Craig R. Schmaderer*

 *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

 *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

 *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*




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Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Daniel White]

What platform? 

 

Integra/Integra-S and PhoeniX-C has AES encryption you can purchase.

 

Everything else. there isn't a physical security layer like what you
describe.  Narrow beamwidth parabolic antennas, proprietary radios, and the
fac that the link would have to drop for another radio to register are
security enough for most licensed installations.

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

 mailto:afmu...@gmail.com afmu...@gmail.com

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 LinkedIn:
https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 1:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] saf link security question

 

Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the
link.   The radio linked right up but I can't seem to find a setting to lock
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn't an issue with
a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names
match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have
to match but they don't according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.

 

Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052

 



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Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Mathew Howard]

oh... of course, I should have realized that.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Inside titanium conduit with alarm wire.

 *From:* Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:28 PM
 *To:* af af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

 Of course if you're doing that, it would probably be slightly easier to
 just plug a cable into the target system... since you're on the tower
 covering it up anyway... but I realize that wouldn't be as fun :P

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target
 system radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link
 up.  You are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a
 movie I saw about 30 years ago.

 What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?

 *From:* Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf link security question


 Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
 dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
 the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
 lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
 with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
 names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
 have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
 Craig.



 *Craig R. Schmaderer*

 *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

 *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

 *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Mathew Howard]

Of course if you're doing that, it would probably be slightly easier to
just plug a cable into the target system... since you're on the tower
covering it up anyway... but I realize that wouldn't be as fun :P

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target system
 radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link up.
 You are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a movie I
 saw about 30 years ago.

 What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?

 *From:* Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf link security question


 Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
 dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
 the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
 lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
 with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
 names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
 have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
 Craig.



 *Craig R. Schmaderer*

 *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

 *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

 *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*

[AFMUG] saf link security question

[Craig Schmaderer]

Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb 
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the 
link.   The radio linked right up but I can't seem to find a setting to lock 
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn't an issue with a 
license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names match.  
On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have to match but 
they don't according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Josh Luthman]

Iirc there was a layer2 mechanism but it isn't obvious.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 4, 2015 3:21 PM, Craig Schmaderer cr...@skywaveconnect.com wrote:

 Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a
 dumb question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure
 the link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to
 lock the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue
 with a license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link
 names match.  On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might
 have to match but they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks,
 Craig.



 *Craig R. Schmaderer*

 *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*

 *Ph: 402-372-1975 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 402-372-1058*

 *Direct: 402-372-1052 402-372-1052*

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Chuck McCown]

Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target system 
radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link up.  You 
are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a movie I saw 
about 30 years ago.   

What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] saf link security question

Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb 
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the 
link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to lock 
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue with a 
license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names match.  
On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have to match but 
they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.

 

Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052

 

Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

[Chuck McCown]

Inside titanium conduit with alarm wire.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:28 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf link security question

Of course if you're doing that, it would probably be slightly easier to just 
plug a cable into the target system... since you're on the tower covering it up 
anyway... but I realize that wouldn't be as fun :P


On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Hmmm, go to far end, set up a radio to intercept.  Cover the target system 
radome with foil or a mylar space blanket and have your exploit link up.  You 
are in.  Sounds like mission impossible  or a scene from a movie I saw 
about 30 years ago.   

  What would you call this? “man at the end” exploit?

  From: Craig Schmaderer 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 1:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] saf link security question

  Installing my first link in the lab getting it ready.  This might be a dumb 
question, but is there a link key or password that you enter to secure the 
link.   The radio linked right up but I can’t seem to find a setting to lock 
the link to only those radios.  I realize this probably isn’t an issue with a 
license bridge.  On the cambium ptp800 you have to have the link names match.  
On the saf radio I thought the system name or site name might have to match but 
they don’t according to my testing.  Any help?  Thanks, Craig.



  Craig R. Schmaderer

  CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

  Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

  Direct: 402-372-1052

[AFMUG] SAF Lumina POE Injector

[Matt]

Have a SAF POE injector.  The 48 volt input voltage is good.  Have a
dim blinking green light that does not change even when you unplug
cat-5 going up to main unit.  Its been running for 6 months and I have
just not got this tower totally switched over too it yet and few days
ago I received an alarm on it.  Is this a sign the injector is bad?  I
have a spare POE injector just have not gotten back out there with it
yet.

Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

does weak FEC or strong FEC impact the workload on the radio any different?
This link was overengineered a bit for margin.
The manual only shows signal values to modulation unless im looking at the
wrong manual. It says I can hit the full 366 with a -62
Would it be pushing my luck to raise that ATPC to a loser value, lowering
the overall output power?

The default correction limit is 10, so Im assuming I would need to increase
that to the maximum -12, does this mean output power would not be able to
go any lower than 6?



On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

 extend the overall life of the radio head

 That's definitely nice to know!


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
 required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
 Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
 TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
 components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
 is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



 Hope that all helps!




 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84




 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so



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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Daniel White]

Yes.



Weak FEC allows for more data, Strong FEC gives you better RX sensitivity.  It 
is a trade off.  As ACM works though we only use Strong FEC.



I’d recommend using the default ATPC values, you do want some margin between it 
and the min RX level for the modulation you are engineered at.



***

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Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



does weak FEC or strong FEC impact the workload on the radio any different? 
This link was overengineered a bit for margin.

The manual only shows signal values to modulation unless im looking at the 
wrong manual. It says I can hit the full 366 with a -62

Would it be pushing my luck to raise that ATPC to a loser value, lowering the 
overall output power?



The default correction limit is 10, so Im assuming I would need to increase 
that to the maximum -12, does this mean output power would not be able to go 
any lower than 6?







On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com  wrote:

extend the overall life of the radio head

That's definitely nice to know!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe required 
MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.  Anyways your 
value is good.



ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the TX 
part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital 
components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it is 
implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



Hope that all helps!



***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



***



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went up. 
the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no degredation 
since we realigned it.

I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was -54 
and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55, TX 
power is now staying at 8.



I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned about, 
I dont know what is good or bad.



I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra 10db 
power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a chipset doing 
so




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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Josh Luthman]

A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in 802.11.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also theoretically reduces interference.



 ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 extend the overall life of the radio head

 That's definitely nice to know!




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
 required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
 Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
 TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
 components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
 is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



 Hope that all helps!



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so



 --

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 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Daniel White]

Also theoretically reduces interference.



ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.



***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
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***



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



extend the overall life of the radio head

That's definitely nice to know!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe required 
MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.  Anyways your 
value is good.



ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the TX 
part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital 
components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it is 
implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



Hope that all helps!



***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



***



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went up. 
the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no degredation 
since we realigned it.

I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was -54 
and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55, TX 
power is now staying at 8.



I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned about, 
I dont know what is good or bad.



I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra 10db 
power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a chipset doing 
so




--

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Daniel White]

I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today.  I’d guess 
LTE systems maybe do as well?



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in 802.11.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Also theoretically reduces interference.



ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.



***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



***



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



extend the overall life of the radio head

That's definitely nice to know!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com  wrote:

Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe required 
MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.  Anyways your 
value is good.



ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the TX 
part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital 
components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it is 
implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



Hope that all helps!



***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



***



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf 
Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went up. 
the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no degredation 
since we realigned it.

I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was -54 
and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55, TX 
power is now staying at 8.



I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned about, 
I dont know what is good or bad.



I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra 10db 
power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a chipset doing 
so




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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Josh Luthman]

But not the billion home routers or Ubnt devices.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 24, 2015 7:35 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today.  I’d
 guess LTE systems maybe do as well?



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:31 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in 802.11.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also theoretically reduces interference.



 ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 extend the overall life of the radio head

 That's definitely nice to know!




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
 required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
 Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
 TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
 components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
 is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



 Hope that all helps!



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so



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 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Josh Luthman]

Also EPMP has atpc. It does a great job.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 24, 2015 7:35 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today.  I’d
 guess LTE systems maybe do as well?



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:31 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in 802.11.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also theoretically reduces interference.



 ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 extend the overall life of the radio head

 That's definitely nice to know!




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
 required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
 Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
 TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
 components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
 is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



 Hope that all helps!



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so



 --

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 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Atpc rocks
On Jun 24, 2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

 Also EPMP has atpc. It does a great job.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 24, 2015 7:35 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today.  I’d
guess LTE systems maybe do as well?



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:31 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in
802.11.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also theoretically reduces interference.



 ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.




***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn




***



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 extend the overall life of the radio head

 That's definitely nice to know!




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to
the TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on
vital components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio
(assuming it is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio
head.



 Hope that all helps!




***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn




***



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy
/sarcasm
 Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we
went up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then,
no degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side
was -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target
50-55, TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be
concerned about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that
extra 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
chipset doing so



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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[George Skorup]

It's not ATPC, just SM uplink power control. Just like the old Trango 
5800/5830 SU power leveling, but that didn't run in the background every 
two minutes like Canopy does today. It's an absolute must on 
synchronized systems like Canopy and ePMP where you're running the same 
channel back to back. Close hot SMs will hurt the opposite sector's 
ability to hear its SMs. Notice they don't let you turn this off on the 
450, but you can set it to something stupid like -40. I set it at -57 
(-60 per pol) system wide and it seems to work well.


On 6/24/2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Also EPMP has atpc. It does a great job.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 24, 2015 7:35 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote:


I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today. 
I’d guess LTE systems maybe do as well?


Daniel White

(303) 746-3590 tel:%28303%29%20746-3590

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in
802.11.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

Also theoretically reduces interference.

ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.


***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84


***

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

extend the overall life of the radio head

That's definitely nice to know!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White
afmu...@gmail.com mailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)

The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual
that describe required MSE per modulation.  MSE is
something like SNR, but different. Anyways your value is good.

ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is
related to the TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX
power, the less stress on vital components.  I absolutely
recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it is
implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio
head.

Hope that all helps!


***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84


***

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of
alignment we went up. the target was -43 on the original
install and we met that then, no degredation since we
realigned it.

I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of
alignment one side was -54 and still at full modulataion,
so I turned it on with the target 50-55, TX power is now
staying at 8.

I wonder though if that stress value is something I should
be concerned about, I dont know what is good or bad.

I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can,
having that extra 10db power seems reasonable for fade

Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I don't like fcc mandates but if they were to make one that should be it
On Jun 24, 2015 10:26 PM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:

  It's not ATPC, just SM uplink power control. Just like the old Trango
 5800/5830 SU power leveling, but that didn't run in the background every
 two minutes like Canopy does today. It's an absolute must on synchronized
 systems like Canopy and ePMP where you're running the same channel back to
 back. Close hot SMs will hurt the opposite sector's ability to hear its
 SMs. Notice they don't let you turn this off on the 450, but you can set it
 to something stupid like -40. I set it at -57 (-60 per pol) system wide and
 it seems to work well.

 On 6/24/2015 6:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Also EPMP has atpc. It does a great job.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 24, 2015 7:35 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  I was under the impression Canopy (450, not EPMP) did that today.  I’d
 guess LTE systems maybe do as well?



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:31 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 A great idea. I'm one of those that think it should be required in 802.11.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 24, 2015 7:29 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Also theoretically reduces interference.



 ATPC even on unlicensed links is a good idea.




 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84




 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 1:35 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 extend the overall life of the radio head

 That's definitely nice to know!




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
 required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
 Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
 TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
 components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
 is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



 Hope that all helps!




 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 %2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84




 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so



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 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Josh Luthman]

extend the overall life of the radio head

That's definitely nice to know!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



 The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe
 required MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.
 Anyways your value is good.



 ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the
 TX part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital
 components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it
 is implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



 Hope that all helps!



 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84



 ***



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.

 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.



 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.



 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so



 --

 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.


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Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Josh Luthman]

They're good to something like 0.  Don't worry about over powering it,
especially with dishes and distance.  The only time I'd be concerned would
be having the radio heads back to back with nothing in between them.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:53 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went
 up. the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no
 degredation since we realigned it.
 I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was
 -54 and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55,
 TX power is now staying at 8.

 I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned
 about, I dont know what is good or bad.

 I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra
 10db power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a
 chipset doing so

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
 as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status

[Daniel White]

Okay so a little knowledge goes a long way :-)



The MSE value is fine.  There are charts in the manual that describe required 
MSE per modulation.  MSE is something like SNR, but different.  Anyways your 
value is good.



ATPC is a great tool.  Number one failure of any radio is related to the TX 
part of the radio… so the lower the TX power, the less stress on vital 
components.  I absolutely recommend ATPC, on any vendors radio (assuming it is 
implemented well) to extend the overall life of the radio head.



Hope that all helps!



***

Daniel White

SAF North America LLC

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 LinkedIn



***



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] saf 11ghz lumina status



this is just over a ten mile hop, it had gotten out of alignment we went up. 
the target was -43 on the original install and we met that then, no degredation 
since we realigned it.

I had never turned on ATPC, but when it was out of alignment one side was -54 
and still at full modulataion, so I turned it on with the target 50-55, TX 
power is now staying at 8.



I wonder though if that stress value is something I should be concerned about, 
I dont know what is good or bad.



I like keeping things neat on the rf side where I can, having that extra 10db 
power seems reasonable for fade, but I dont want to be cooking a chipset doing 
so




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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products will
 be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

 Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will dominate
 the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might go
 crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry Daniel!
 I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many great guys like
 you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the
 group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform you
 of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have
 truly enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the highest
 regards for the people I have worked with and the integrity they employ 
 in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment 
 products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my wings in a new environment 
 with
 new challenges.



 I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am
 exploring many options that are mostly still in the wireless broadband
 space.



 My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can
 personally reach out to me via e-mail at danieldeanwh...@gmail.com.



 SAF is investing significantly more resources in North America this
 year and I expect you will see a boost in their support for you and your
 business.  The entire SAF North America sales team can always be 
 contacted
 via e-mail at sale...@saftehnika.com or our technical support team
 is available by e-mail at techsupp...@saftehnika.com.



 I wish you and your company success and hope that we may cross paths
 again in the future.  I plan to still hang out here, although I may 
 lurk in
 the shadows for awhile.




 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com

 Skype: danieldwhite
 Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84




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Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Mathew Howard]

Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products will
 be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

 Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will dominate
 the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry Daniel!
 I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many great guys 
 like
 you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the
 group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform
 you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and 
 will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have
 truly enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the 
 highest
 regards for the people I have worked with and the integrity they 
 employ in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment 
 products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my wings in a new environment 
 with
 new challenges.



 I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am
 exploring many options that are mostly still in the wireless broadband
 space.



 My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can
 personally reach out to me via e-mail at danieldeanwh...@gmail.com.




 SAF is investing significantly more resources in North America this
 year and I expect you will see a boost in their support for you and 
 your
 business.  The entire SAF North America sales team can always be 
 contacted
 via e-mail at sale...@saftehnika.com or our technical support team
 is available by e-mail at techsupp...@saftehnika.com.



 I wish you and your company success and hope that we may cross
 paths again in the future.  I plan to still hang out here, although I 
 may
 lurk in the shadows for awhile.




 ***

 Daniel White

 SAF North America LLC

 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Jaime Solorza]

hey  that's a cool bumper sticker or t-shirt logo   ...I hereby patented it
  June 15, 2015 year of the contact..

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 When you have a time machine, it's easy to meet your deadlines...


 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 well if they worked for Jeb Bush they would be fired within a week like
 most on his staff. sas

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Maybe Simon and Daniel are going to work for Hilary ?



 /ducking at the poor topic commentary to come perhaps



 J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 11:46 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?



 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Oh, bad memory... bad memory...



 Yeah, love to do some selective editing



 *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com

 *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.

 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...

 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD



 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.



 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products will be
 disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as
 dominate though.



 *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will dominate the
 WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Ouray Colorada



 *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might go
 crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick
 - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry Daniel!  I
 hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many great guys like you
 as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the group
 about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform you of
 my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have truly
 enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the highest regards
 for the people I have worked with and the integrity they employ in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my wings in a new environment with
 new challenges.



 I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am
 exploring many options that are mostly still in the wireless broadband
 space.



 My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can personally
 reach out to me via e-mail at danieldeanwh

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Bill Prince]

That movie gave me a headache.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 11:19 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
I think we all need to watch the movie Primer on Netflix to better 
understand all of the trade offs regarding time travel. It is more 
complicated than it appears.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:


You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back
to now once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy
one, I have to assume it doesn't work... you might as well just
give up on it.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell
freeze over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown
ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Oh, bad memory... bad memory...
Yeah, love to do some selective editing
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation
Letter

Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at
the bar I'd like to go back and alter some mating
choices on.

On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this
time machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

yeah, dont go disrupting the space time
continuum, WISP market GOOD, time fabric BAD
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White
Resignation Letter

Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

“Disrupt”? Some manufacturers always
say their new products will be
disruptive, so apparently that’s a
good thing.  Bottom line same as
dominate though.
*From:* Simon Westlake
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel
White Resignation Letter
Why does it have to dominate? That's
such a harsh word!

On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:


Simon and Danny have to be creating
a new company that will dominate
the WISP market.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Ken Hohhof]

Kill Sarah Connor.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

  But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!


  On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now 
once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to assume 
it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

  On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Oh, bad memory... bad memory...  

  Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like 
to go back and alter some mating choices on.

  On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market 
GOOD, time fabric BAD

  On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products 
will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as 
dominate though.

  From: Simon Westlake 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!


  On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will 
dominate the WISP market.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

  Ouray Colorada

  From: Daniel White 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



  I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, 
I might go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



  Daniel White

  (303) 746-3590



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
Broadwick - Lists
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



  You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our 
industry Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
great guys like you as we can get!

  Jeff Broadwick

  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

  312-205-2519 Office

  574-220-7826 Cell

  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


  On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

The current thread onlist made me realize I had not 
notified the group about a major change for me personally.



It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email 
to inform you of my decision to pursue a different direction

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Lewis Bergman]

There is a youtube video that tries to explain living in the tenth
dimension to people like me. Seems as close to understanding what being God
is like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
Part one of two. If you start at the 5th dimension you could watch them in
any order you like and it would make no difference.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Would be interesting to be able to go back and kill certain individuals
 throughout history and observe the effect.

 But you would be creating a whole new timeline each time you did it.

 I guess that is like having many copies of the same thing on your hard
 disk.  How large is our hard disk?

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 12:25 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

   Kill Sarah Connor.

  *From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 1:06 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

 You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

 But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

 On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
 once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
 assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products
 will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
 same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

 Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will
 dominate the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry
 Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
 great
 guys like you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the
 group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform
 you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and 
 will be
 departing

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Cameron Crum]

Do you mean, what if you went back in time and changed something so that
you never would create the machine in the first place so that you could
have never gone back in time to change the original condition? Didn't you
already do that?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

  But what if I never create it in the first place?


 On 6/15/2015 1:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

 But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

 On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
 once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
 assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products
 will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
 same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will
 dominate the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry
 Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
 great
 guys like you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the
 group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform
 you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and 
 will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have
 truly enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the 
 highest
 regards for the people I have worked with and the integrity they 
 employ in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment 
 products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my wings in a new environment 
 with
 new challenges.



 I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am
 exploring many options that are mostly still in the wireless broadband
 space.



 My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can
 personally reach

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Chuck Macenski]

I think we all need to watch the movie Primer on Netflix to better
understand all of the trade offs regarding time travel. It is more
complicated than it appears.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

 But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

 On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
 once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
 assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products
 will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
 same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will
 dominate the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry
 Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
 great
 guys like you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the
 group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform
 you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and 
 will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have
 truly enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the 
 highest
 regards for the people I have worked with and the integrity they 
 employ in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment 
 products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my wings in a new environment 
 with
 new challenges.



 I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am
 exploring many options that are mostly still in the wireless broadband
 space.



 My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can
 personally reach out to me via e-mail at danieldeanwh...@gmail.com.




 SAF is investing significantly more resources in North America
 this year and I expect you will see a boost in their support

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Jaime Solorza]

Tesla rules..Edison drools

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:

 I think we all need to watch the movie Primer on Netflix to better
 understand all of the trade offs regarding time travel. It is more
 complicated than it appears.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

 But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

 On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
 once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
 assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like
 to go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products
 will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
 same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will
 dominate the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry
 Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
 great
 guys like you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified
 the group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform
 you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and 
 will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have
 truly enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the 
 highest
 regards for the people I have worked with and the integrity they 
 employ in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment 
 products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my wings in a new 
 environment with
 new challenges.



 I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am
 exploring many options that are mostly still in the wireless 
 broadband
 space.



 My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can
 personally reach out to me via e-mail

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Chuck McCown]

I remember trying to satisfy a EE professor that had asked a question: “What is 
real time”? this was in relationship to real time programs (as opposed to batch 
processing).  We discovered the question has no answer.  

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

I think we all need to watch the movie Primer on Netflix to better understand 
all of the trade offs regarding time travel. It is more complicated than it 
appears.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:

  You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!


On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now 
once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to assume 
it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.


  On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze 
over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

  Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

  On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Oh, bad memory... bad memory...  

Yeah, love to do some selective editing

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd 
like to go back and alter some mating choices on.

On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

  Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...

  On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market 
GOOD, time fabric BAD

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:

  There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Any besides Ubnt?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

“Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new 
products will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
same as dominate though.

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!


On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that 
will dominate the WISP market.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Ouray Colorada

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation 
Letter

Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who 
knows, I might go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



Daniel White

(303) 746-3590



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation 
Letter



You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our 
industry Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
great guys like you as we can get

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Simon Westlake]

No, I meant if I never finish it in the first place, I won't have it in 
the future to come back and change the original condition. But if I make 
it, and then go back in time to prevent myself from making it, can I use 
the time machine I used to travel back to prevent myself from making it 
to go back to the future?


On 6/15/2015 2:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
Do you mean, what if you went back in time and changed something so 
that you never would create the machine in the first place so that you 
could have never gone back in time to change the original condition? 
Didn't you already do that?


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com 
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:


But what if I never create it in the first place?


On 6/15/2015 1:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the
future!

On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one
back to now once you get it working? Since you we can't already
buy one, I have to assume it doesn't work... you might as well
just give up on it.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:

Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did
hell freeze over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown
ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Oh, bad memory... bad memory...
Yeah, love to do some selective editing
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White
Resignation Letter

Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at
the bar I'd like to go back and alter some mating
choices on.

On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this
time machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy
/sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

yeah, dont go disrupting the space time
continuum, WISP market GOOD, time fabric BAD
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel
White Resignation Letter

Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

“Disrupt”? Some manufacturers
always say their new products will
be disruptive, so apparently that’s
a good thing.  Bottom line same as
dominate though.
*From:* Simon Westlake
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com

*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel
White Resignation Letter
Why does it have to dominate

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Chuck McCown]

Would be interesting to be able to go back and kill certain individuals 
throughout history and observe the effect.  

But you would be creating a whole new timeline each time you did it.  

I guess that is like having many copies of the same thing on your hard disk.  
How large is our hard disk?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Kill Sarah Connor.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.


bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

  But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!


  On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now 
once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to assume 
it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

  On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Oh, bad memory... bad memory...  

  Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like 
to go back and alter some mating choices on.

  On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market 
GOOD, time fabric BAD

  On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

  “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products 
will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as 
dominate though.

  From: Simon Westlake 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!


  On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will 
dominate the WISP market.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

  Ouray Colorada

  From: Daniel White 
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



  I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, 
I might go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



  Daniel White

  (303) 746-3590



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff 
Broadwick - Lists
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



  You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our 
industry Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
great guys like you as we can get!

  Jeff Broadwick

  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

  312-205-2519 Office

  574-220-7826

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Simon Westlake]

But what if I never create it in the first place?

On 6/15/2015 1:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to 
now once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I 
have to assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:


Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell
freeze over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Oh, bad memory... bad memory...
Yeah, love to do some selective editing
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the
bar I'd like to go back and alter some mating choices on.

On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time
machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

yeah, dont go disrupting the space time
continuum, WISP market GOOD, time fabric BAD
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White
Resignation Letter

Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
wrote:

“Disrupt”? Some manufacturers always say
their new products will be disruptive,
so apparently that’s a good thing. 
Bottom line same as dominate though.

*From:* Simon Westlake
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White
Resignation Letter
Why does it have to dominate? That's
such a harsh word!

On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Simon and Danny have to be creating a
new company that will dominate the WISP
market.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck
McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Ouray Colorada
*From:* Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Mathew Howard]

Watch out for the lectroids from planet 10 in the 8th dimension...

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com
wrote:

 There is a youtube video that tries to explain living in the tenth
 dimension to people like me. Seems as close to understanding what being God
 is like.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
 Part one of two. If you start at the 5th dimension you could watch them in
 any order you like and it would make no difference.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Would be interesting to be able to go back and kill certain
 individuals throughout history and observe the effect.

 But you would be creating a whole new timeline each time you did it.

 I guess that is like having many copies of the same thing on your hard
 disk.  How large is our hard disk?

  *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
 *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 12:25 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

   Kill Sarah Connor.

  *From:* Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 1:06 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

 You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

 But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

 On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
 once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
 assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like
 to go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products
 will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
 same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

 Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will
 dominate the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry
 Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
 great
 guys like you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified
 the group about a major change for me personally

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Cameron Crum]

Nope. That's why I think you already did it.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

  No, I meant if I never finish it in the first place, I won't have it in
 the future to come back and change the original condition. But if I make
 it, and then go back in time to prevent myself from making it, can I use
 the time machine I used to travel back to prevent myself from making it to
 go back to the future?

 On 6/15/2015 2:06 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:

 Do you mean, what if you went back in time and changed something so that
 you never would create the machine in the first place so that you could
 have never gone back in time to change the original condition? Didn't you
 already do that?

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

  But what if I never create it in the first place?


 On 6/15/2015 1:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 You can always come back and feed key information to your past self.

 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


 On 6/15/2015 10:09 AM, Simon Westlake wrote:

 But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

 On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to now
 once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I have to
 assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

 Yeah, love to do some selective editing

  *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
  *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like
 to go back and alter some mating choices on.
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD

 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

   “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products
 will be disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line 
 same as
 dominate though.

  *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

  Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will
 dominate the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

   Ouray Colorada

  *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might
 go crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
 Broadwick - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry
 Daniel!  I hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many 
 great
 guys like you as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified
 the group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform
 you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and 
 will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have
 truly enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Paul McCall]

Maybe Simon and Daniel are going to work for Hilary ?

/ducking at the poor topic commentary to come perhaps

☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.commailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com 
wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!
On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Oh, bad memory... bad memory...

Yeah, love to do some selective editing

From: That One Guy /sarcasmmailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to go back 
and alter some mating choices on.
On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.commailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com 
wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...
On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD, time 
fabric BAD

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof 
af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com 
wrote:
“Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products will be 
disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as dominate 
though.

From: Simon Westlakemailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!
On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will dominate the WISP 
market.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown 
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Ouray Colorada

From: Daniel Whitemailto:afmu...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.

I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might go crazy and 
start a WISP somewhere :-)

Daniel White
(303) 746-3590

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry Daniel!  I hope you 
are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many great guys like you as we can get!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519tel:312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826tel:574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.commailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White 
afmu...@gmail.commailto:afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the group about a 
major change for me personally.

It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform you of my 
decision to pursue a different direction in my career and will be departing SAF 
Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have truly enjoyed working for 
SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the highest regards for the people I have 
worked with and the integrity they employ in producing some of the finest 
microwave radios and test equipment products in the world.  But it is time to 
spread my wings in a new environment with new challenges.

I’m not sure where my career will take me at this time, and I am exploring many 
options that are mostly still in the wireless broadband space.

My cell phone and Skype ID will remain the same, and you can personally reach 
out to me via e-mail at 
danieldeanwh...@gmail.commailto:danieldeanwh...@gmail.com.

SAF is investing significantly more resources in North America this year and I 
expect you will see a boost in their support for you and your business.  The 
entire SAF North America sales team can always be contacted via e-mail at 
sale...@saftehnika.commailto:sale

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Cameron Crum]

What you don't realize is that he already has the time machine. Then he can
set an arbitrary release date all the while changing all of history to
his advantage. Is what you think you know, really what you know? How do you
know?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:

 hey  that's a cool bumper sticker or t-shirt logo   ...I hereby patented
 it   June 15, 2015 year of the contact..

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

 When you have a time machine, it's easy to meet your deadlines...


 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

 well if they worked for Jeb Bush they would be fired within a week like
 most on his staff. sas

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Maybe Simon and Daniel are going to work for Hilary ?



 /ducking at the poor topic commentary to come perhaps



 J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2015 11:46 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze
 over?



 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

 On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Oh, bad memory... bad memory...



 Yeah, love to do some selective editing



 *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com

 *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to
 go back and alter some mating choices on.

 On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
 simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...

 On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD,
 time fabric BAD



 On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.



 *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Any besides Ubnt?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

 “Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products will be
 disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as
 dominate though.



 *From:* Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

 On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

 Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will dominate
 the WISP market.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Ouray Colorada



 *From:* Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com

 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



 I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might go
 crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



 Daniel White

 (303) 746-3590



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick
 - Lists
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



 You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry Daniel!  I
 hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many great guys like you
 as we can get!

 Jeff Broadwick

 ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

 312-205-2519 Office

 574-220-7826 Cell

 jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


 On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

  The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the
 group about a major change for me personally.



 It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform you of
 my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and will be
 departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have truly
 enjoyed working for SAF for the past 3 years, and hold the highest regards
 for the people I have worked with and the integrity they employ in
 producing some of the finest microwave radios and test equipment products
 in the world.  But it is time to spread my

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Ken Hohhof]

So once again, which one is Simon?



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 12:13 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

hey  that's a cool bumper sticker or t-shirt logo   ...I hereby patented it   
June 15, 2015 year of the contact..

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote:

  When you have a time machine, it's easy to meet your deadlines... 


  On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

well if they worked for Jeb Bush they would be fired within a week like 
most on his staff. sas


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:

  Maybe Simon and Daniel are going to work for Hilary ?  



  /ducking at the poor topic commentary to come perhaps



  J



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 11:46 AM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter


  Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell freeze over?



  On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

  Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

  On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Oh, bad memory... bad memory...  



  Yeah, love to do some selective editing



  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



  Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the bar I'd like to 
go back and alter some mating choices on.

  On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake 
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum, WISP market GOOD, 
time fabric BAD



On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:

“Disrupt”?  Some manufacturers always say their new products will be 
disruptive, so apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom line same as dominate 
though.



From: Simon Westlake 

Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



Why does it have to dominate? That's such a harsh word!

On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Simon and Danny have to be creating a new company that will dominate 
the WISP market.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Ouray Colorada



  From: Daniel White 

  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



  Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate the kind words.



  I’ll let everyone know when I land somewhere.  Who knows, I might go 
crazy and start a WISP somewhere :-)



  Daniel White

  (303) 746-3590



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - 
Lists
  Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 5:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter



  You've been a great advocate for both SAF and our industry Daniel!  I 
hope you are able to stay plugged in.  We need as many great guys like you as 
we can get!

  Jeff Broadwick

  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

  312-205-2519 Office

  574-220-7826 Cell

  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


  On Jun 13, 2015, at 7:27 AM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:

The current thread onlist made me realize I had not notified the 
group about a major change for me personally.



It is with mixed emotions that I am writing this email to inform 
you of my decision to pursue a different direction in my career and will be 
departing SAF Tehnika effective Tuesday, June 30th, 2015. I have truly enjoyed

Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

[Simon Westlake]

But if I don't keep working on it, it will never exist in the future!

On 6/15/2015 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Why do we have to wait until 2016? can't you just bring one back to 
now once you get it working? Since you we can't already buy one, I 
have to assume it doesn't work... you might as well just give up on it.


On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:46 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:


Holy jeeze!! simon gave a project feature timeline? did hell
freeze over?

On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:41 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Alright, carrier grade time machine coming 2016!

On Jun 14, 2015 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Oh, bad memory... bad memory...
Yeah, love to do some selective editing
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2015 6:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White Resignation Letter

Well, don't stop completely, Theres a few nights at the
bar I'd like to go back and alter some mating choices on.

On Jun 14, 2015 6:48 PM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

Whoops, I guess I better stop working on this time
machine then...

On Jun 14, 2015 6:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

yeah, dont go disrupting the space time continuum,
WISP market GOOD, time fabric BAD
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

There are Romulan and Klingon disruptors.
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 4:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White
Resignation Letter

Any besides Ubnt?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

“Disrupt”? Some manufacturers always say
their new products will be disruptive, so
apparently that’s a good thing.  Bottom
line same as dominate though.
*From:* Simon Westlake
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel White
Resignation Letter
Why does it have to dominate? That's such
a harsh word!

On 6/13/2015 9:51 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Simon and Danny have to be creating a new
company that will dominate the WISP market.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 13, 2015 10:38 AM, Chuck McCown
ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Ouray Colorada
*From:* Daniel White
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 8:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF: Daniel
White Resignation Letter

Thanks Jeff and Jaime.  Appreciate
the kind words.

I’ll let everyone know when I land
somewhere.  Who knows, I might go