Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-30 Thread Peter Kranz 
If you are crafty you can always just use HTB, or the various HTB wrappers.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-30 Thread Paul Stewart 
Think of them like a switch …. optical external bypass systems used to protect 
against failure etc...


> On Nov 29, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Are these spliced into your network like a router, or a switch?  The ability 
> to bypass them leads me to believe they are like a L2 switch.
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 3:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>  
> Yes you can, they also support tons of queueing methods, including fq_codel.
>  
> On Nov 24, 2016 2:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine 
>> or Saisei, etc.) use?
>>  
>> I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
>> queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
>> implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.
>>  
>> I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
>> bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
>> misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
>> unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  
>> The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce 
>> much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion 
>> avoidance until the packet drop rate hits about 45%. <>
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>  
>> Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening 
>> now I’m told
>>  
>>  
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator >> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Procera was/is for sale!
>>>  
>>> Ouch ….
>>>  
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ 
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ>
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>>  
>>> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically 
>>> a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled 
>>> environment, the temperature range is pretty narrow.
>>>  
>>> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the 
>>> temperature specs they want.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>>  
>>> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
>>> features
>>>  
>>>  
>>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
>>>> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box 
>>>> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of 
>>>> signature updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>>>>  
>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator >>> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>>>> Kurt,
>>>>> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to 
>>>>> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an 
>>>>> increasing number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates 
>>>>> %#@?! for one.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-29 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Ours sat between edge router and core switching

On Nov 29, 2016 9:25 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Are these spliced into your network like a router, or a switch?  The
> ability to bypass them leads me to believe they are like a L2 switch.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, November 25, 2016 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Yes you can, they also support tons of queueing methods, including
> fq_codel.
>
>
>
> On Nov 24, 2016 2:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or
> Sandvine or Saisei, etc.) use?
>
>
>
> I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable
> queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could
> implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.
>
>
>
> I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the
> bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these
> misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion
> indication unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating
> buffer fill.  The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers
> don’t introduce much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement
> congestion avoidance until the packet drop rate hits about 45%.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening
> now I’m told
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Procera was/is for sale!
>
>
>
> Ouch ….
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s
> basically a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled
> environment, the temperature range is pretty narrow.
>
>
>
> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the
> temperature specs they want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and
> features
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple
> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box
> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature
> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to
> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing
> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give
> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which
> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like
> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where
> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
> with the Procera.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
> time that I was going to look into:
>
>
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
>
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
>
>
> *Steve B.*
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-29 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Are these spliced into your network like a router, or a switch?  The ability to 
bypass them leads me to believe they are like a L2 switch.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Yes you can, they also support tons of queueing methods, including fq_codel.

 

On Nov 24, 2016 2:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine or 
Saisei, etc.) use?

 

I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.

 

I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  The 
rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce much 
delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance until 
the packet drop rate hits about 45%.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

 

Procera was/is for sale!

 

Ouch ….

 

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-28 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
I too am using Cambium burst/sustain setting in the SM for traffic shaping
and I am finding that the CDN's do not handle that at all for slowing down
traffic. If you have SM set to 3mbps on sustain speed CDN will try to
delivery 6Mbps and the SM will basically go into limp mode and barely pass
traffic and latency spikes through roof and customer experience is
extreamly slow internet. I have to shape with another appliance ahead of
the SM to keep customer experience happy.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Dave  wrote:

> We currently have our Cambium subscribers do all of the package QOS
> assignments to allow for a burst/stream config.
> My issue is I am not sure the best way to distribute access to each user
> except via a layer2 bridge with some vlans for better segmentation.
> We do route everything but when it comes to consolidation at the edge for
> the customer its nothing more than a bridge. I have heard that ppoe
> would be a better option to take. I am not sure of this due to all the
> concentrators that may be needed and issues with that as well.
> We simply do layer 2 and use the horizon isolation for each port and vlans
> where needed and tell the APs to block all subscriber destined upstream
> chatter.
>
> Video is becoming more and more an issue with any wireless network.
>
>
> On 11/23/2016 12:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give
> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which
> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like
> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where
> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
> with the Procera.
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
>> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look
>> at Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
>> time that I was going to look into:
>>
>>
>>
>> Saisei
>>
>> NetEqualizer
>>
>> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>>
>> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>>
>> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>>
>> *Exinda*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Steve B.*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-28 Thread Dave 
We currently have our Cambium subscribers do all of the package QOS 
assignments to allow for a burst/stream config.
My issue is I am not sure the best way to distribute access to each user 
except via a layer2 bridge with some vlans for better segmentation.
We do route everything but when it comes to consolidation at the edge 
for the customer its nothing more than a bridge. I have heard that ppoe
would be a better option to take. I am not sure of this due to all the 
concentrators that may be needed and issues with that as well.
We simply do layer 2 and use the horizon isolation for each port and 
vlans where needed and tell the APs to block all subscriber destined 
upstream chatter.


Video is becoming more and more an issue with any wireless network.


On 11/23/2016 12:44 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like 
give someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple 
queues which is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on 
an application like only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like 
that then that's where things start to get expensive. I am using the 
Procera myself for that and although I havn't tried any of the other 
brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:


We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a
look at Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have
assembled over time that I was going to look into:

Saisei

NetEqualizer

/Packeteer (Bluecoat)/

/NetEnforcer (Allot)/

/Network Composer (Cymphonix)/

/Exinda/

//

/Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?/

//

/Steve B./




--

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-25 Thread Josh Reynolds 
Yes you can, they also support tons of queueing methods, including fq_codel.

On Nov 24, 2016 2:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or
> Sandvine or Saisei, etc.) use?
>
>
>
> I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable
> queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could
> implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.
>
>
>
> I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the
> bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these
> misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion
> indication unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating
> buffer fill.  The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers
> don’t introduce much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement
> congestion avoidance until the packet drop rate hits about 45%.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening
> now I’m told
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Procera was/is for sale!
>
>
>
> Ouch ….
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s
> basically a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled
> environment, the temperature range is pretty narrow.
>
>
>
> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the
> temperature specs they want.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and
> features
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple
> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box
> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature
> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to
> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing
> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give
> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which
> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like
> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where
> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
> with the Procera.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
> time that I was going to look into:
>
>
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
>
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
>
>
> *Steve B.*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-25 Thread Ken Hohhof 
>From that webpage, I’m not sure if that’s the problem or the solution.  I 
>guess I’ll have to register and read the whitepaper / watch the webinar.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Ken,

 

For Sandvine, I think the issue you are getting at is solved by this:

 

https://www.sandvine.com/solutions/traffic-optimization/tcp-acceleration.html

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine or 
Saisei, etc.) use?

 

I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.

 

I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  The 
rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce much 
delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance until 
the packet drop rate hits about 45%.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

 

Procera was/is for sale!

 

Ouch ….

 

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packet

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-25 Thread Daniel White 
Ken,



For Sandvine, I think the issue you are getting at is solved by this:



https://www.sandvine.com/solutions/traffic-optimization/tcp-acceleration.html



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine or 
Saisei, etc.) use?



I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.



I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  The 
rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce much 
delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance until 
the packet drop rate hits about 45%.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told





On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:



Procera was/is for sale!



Ouch ….



 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ



From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.



Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.





From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features





On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:



OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.



On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.



Steve



From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.



On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:



Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda



Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?



Steve B.





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Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-24 Thread Paul Stewart 
Procera does shaping quite well …. something I would though suggest discussing 
with them in depth to better understand re specific use cases.  


> On Nov 24, 2016, at 3:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine 
> or Saisei, etc.) use?
>  
> I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
> queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
> implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.
>  
> I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
> bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
> misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
> unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  
> The rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce 
> much delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance 
> until the packet drop rate hits about 45%. <>
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>  
> Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
> I’m told
>  
>  
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator > <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> Procera was/is for sale!
>>  
>> Ouch ….
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ>
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>  
>> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically 
>> a rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, 
>> the temperature range is pretty narrow.
>>  
>> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the 
>> temperature specs they want.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>  
>> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
>> features
>>  
>>  
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
>>> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box 
>>> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature 
>>> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator >> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>>> Kurt,
>>>> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to 
>>>> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an 
>>>> increasing number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! 
>>>> for one.
>>>>  
>>>> Steve
>>>>  
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>>>  
>>>> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
>>>> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues 
>>>> which is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an 
>>>> application like only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that 
>>>> then that's where things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera 
>>>> myself for that and although I havn't tried any of the other brands you 
>>>> mention I am very happy with the Procera.
>>>>  
>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator >>> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>>> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
>>>> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over 
>>>> time that I was going to look into:
>>>>  
>>>> Saisei
>>>> NetEqualizer
>>>> Packeteer (Bluecoat)
>>>> NetEnforcer (Allot)
>>>> Network Composer (Cymphonix)
>>>> Exinda
>>>>  
>>>> Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?
>>>>  
>>>> Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Does anyone know what queuing method (and buffer size) Procera (or Sandvine or 
Saisei, etc.) use?

 

I remember asking Procera at a show 1-2 years ago if they had programmable 
queue depth and the answer seemed to be no.  I was thinking they could 
implement traffic shaping rather than policing, but it didn’t sound like it.

 

I ask for 2 reasons.  The downstream network wouldn’t need to handle the 
bursts, since they would be smoothed out.  And I suspect some of these 
misbehaving CDN servers are ignoring packet drops as a congestion indication 
unless accompanied by increased round trip latency indicating buffer fill.  The 
rate limiting methods we use currently on our routers don’t introduce much 
delay, and some of the CDNs don’t seem to implement congestion avoidance until 
the packet drop rate hits about 45%.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 6:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

 

Procera was/is for sale!

 

Ouch ….

 

 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ> 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [ <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser < 
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto: <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To:  <mailto:af@afmug.com> af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator < 
<mailto:wirel...@htn.net> wirel...@htn.net> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Paul Stewart 
Was just an option that was recommended at that timeframe…. not happening now 
I’m told


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Wireless Administrator  wrote:
> 
> Procera was/is for sale!
>  
> Ouch ….
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ>
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>  
> One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
> rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, 
> the temperature range is pretty narrow. <>
>  
> Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the 
> temperature specs they want.
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>  
> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
> features
>  
>  
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
>> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box 
>> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature 
>> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>>  
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator > <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>> Kurt,
>>> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to 
>>> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing 
>>> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
>>>  
>>> Steve
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>>  
>>> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
>>> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which 
>>> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like 
>>> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where 
>>> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and 
>>> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy 
>>> with the Procera.
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator >> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
>>> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over 
>>> time that I was going to look into:
>>>  
>>> Saisei
>>> NetEqualizer
>>> Packeteer (Bluecoat)
>>> NetEnforcer (Allot)
>>> Network Composer (Cymphonix)
>>> Exinda
>>>  
>>> Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?
>>>  
>>> Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Wireless Administrator 
Procera was/is for sale!

 

Ouch ….

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X-e1TJBzzQ

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Simon Westlake 
I think it may make sense for more people than you think once it's 
announced. It's not all finalized yet, but there are some significant 
advantages to this model that I think will be very interesting to ISPs 
in general.


On 11/23/2016 1:41 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Oh really … that’s interesting.  For us it wouldn’t make sense but for 
a lot of WISP’s it would actually make complete sense….


thanks for that clarification …

On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Simon Westlake <mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:


They actually do have a per-subscriber model now with their 
virtualized product. I'm working with Procera on some configurations 
for this for the WISP market right. Feel free to reach out to me 
directly if anyone is interested in learning more.


On 11/23/2016 12:52 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput 
and features



On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a 
couple dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing 
upfront. My box which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the 
first year of signature updates and it is like $2500 annually after 
that.


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator 
mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:


Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers
but want to do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports
are showing an increasing number of things getting out of
control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.


Steve


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance


Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client
(like give someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik
and simple queues which is very in-expensive. If you want to do
some shaping on an application like only streaming or Windows
Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start to
get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I
am very happy with the Procera.


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator
mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have
had a look at Procera so far.  I have a list of
vendors/products a have assembled over time that I was going to
look into:


Saisei

NetEqualizer

/Packeteer (Bluecoat)/

/NetEnforcer (Allot)/

/Network Composer (Cymphonix)/

/Exinda/

//

/Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?/

//

/Steve B./








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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email:simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software




--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Daniel White 
Should also be based on ingress points.  Each ingress point will require 
another appliance for many solutions.  Many ISP’s have upstream connections at 
multiple locations.



The solution we have worked with Sandvine on, pricing is based on:



-  Points of ingress

-  Support level required (i.e., do you want 24x7 NOC support or 8-5 
M-F support)… there is also options for custom policies to be written by us (we 
will have standard templates to work from)

-  Hardware already at your ingress points (if you need to add a server 
or purchase a NIC card that fails open for instance)

-  Price per sub

-  Additional features if desired (the base package will include most 
of the Sandvine features appropriate for most environments)



The objective was to eliminate the upfront cost and give a simple per month 
price.  That way, no hardware to ever have to expire, etc.



I’m by no means the expert on the solution in our company, but if anyone wants 
more information hit me up offlist.  We are rolling out our first customers 
now, although there are many larger WISP’s that invested in the controller 
based solution that might be able to offer their thoughts on it.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



We use Platypus and I’ve been talking to Procera directly.  Pricing seems to be 
based on the hardware platform and Link Speed.



Steve



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



If you want a Procera box Powercode is their distributor into the WISP market 
and when I used mine they had a 30 day trial where you could use it before you 
bought it and they said they never had anyone send one back.



On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

There’s one I missed …



Thanks,

Steve



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



Sandvine would be the other big player.

On 11/23/2016 12:33 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

We�re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.� I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

�

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

�

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

�

Steve B.

�



--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Phone: (702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software





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Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Daniel White 
Steve,



If you want to contact me offlist, ConVergence has developed in conjunction 
with Sandvine a virtual offering so you don’t have to buy a specific appliance. 
 It is a monthly fee vs. a large CAPEX cost upfront and monthly definition 
updates.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance



As someone already mentioned, Sandvine too …



I have used some of these options and consider Procera to be the best featured 
for a lot of use scenarios.  Just be sure to have your check book handy as it’s 
going to hurt - and when dealing with them please ensure that the sizing is 
realistic (ie. marketing vs real world)…. I find in our deployments that we 
oversize quite often to meet expectations and we utilize all of their products 
at scale today.



Paul







On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:



We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:



Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda



Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?



Steve B.





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Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Paul Stewart 
Oh really … that’s interesting.  For us it wouldn’t make sense but for a lot of 
WISP’s it would actually make complete sense….

thanks for that clarification …

> On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:
> 
> They actually do have a per-subscriber model now with their virtualized 
> product. I'm working with Procera on some configurations for this for the 
> WISP market right. Feel free to reach out to me directly if anyone is 
> interested in learning more.
> 
> On 11/23/2016 12:52 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
>> features
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
>>> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box 
>>> which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature 
>>> updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator >> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>> Kurt,
>>> 
>>> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to 
>>> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing 
>>> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
>>> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which 
>>> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like 
>>> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where 
>>> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and 
>>> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy 
>>> with the Procera.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator >> <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
>>> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over 
>>> time that I was going to look into:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Saisei
>>> 
>>> NetEqualizer
>>> 
>>> Packeteer (Bluecoat)
>>> 
>>> NetEnforcer (Allot)
>>> 
>>> Network Composer (Cymphonix)
>>> 
>>> Exinda
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Steve B.
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
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> The future of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software <https://sonar.software/>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Simon Westlake 
They actually do have a per-subscriber model now with their virtualized 
product. I'm working with Procera on some configurations for this for 
the WISP market right. Feel free to reach out to me directly if anyone 
is interested in learning more.


On 11/23/2016 12:52 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput 
and features



On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a 
couple dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing 
upfront. My box which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the 
first year of signature updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.


On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator 
mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:


Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but
want to do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are
showing an increasing number of things getting out of control. 
Windows updates %#@?! for one.


Steve

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client
(like give someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik
and simple queues which is very in-expensive. If you want to do
some shaping on an application like only streaming or Windows
Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start to get
expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I
havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
with the Procera.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator
mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had
a look at Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a
have assembled over time that I was going to look into:

Saisei

NetEqualizer

/Packeteer (Bluecoat)/

/NetEnforcer (Allot)/

/Network Composer (Cymphonix)/

/Exinda/

//

/Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?/

//

/Steve B./






--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Ken Hohhof 
One other thing, the specs on the Procera hardware (I assume it’s basically a 
rackmount server) require a datacenter or at least controlled environment, the 
temperature range is pretty narrow.

 

Even some towers where we have shelter space, I can’t guarantee the temperature 
specs they want.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features

 

 

On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
and it is like $2500 annually after that.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator mailto:wirel...@htn.net> > wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Wireless Administrator 
We use Platypus and I’ve been talking to Procera directly.  Pricing seems to be 
based on the hardware platform and Link Speed.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

If you want a Procera box Powercode is their distributor into the WISP market 
and when I used mine they had a 30 day trial where you could use it before you 
bought it and they said they never had anyone send one back.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

There’s one I missed …

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Sandvine would be the other big player.

On 11/23/2016 12:33 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

We�re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.� I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

�

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

�

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

�

Steve B.

�

 

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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247  
---
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
If you want a Procera box Powercode is their distributor into the WISP
market and when I used mine they had a 30 day trial where you could use it
before you bought it and they said they never had anyone send one back.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> There’s one I missed …
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Sandvine would be the other big player.
>
> On 11/23/2016 12:33 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
>
> We�re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look
> at Procera so far.� I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled
> over time that I was going to look into:
>
> �
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
> *�*
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
> *�*
>
> *Steve B.*
>
> �
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake
>
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>
> Email: simon@sonar.software
>
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>
> ---
>
> Sonar Software Inc
>
> The future of ISP billing and OSS
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Paul Stewart 
Procera isn’t licensed per user .. it’s licensed based on throughput and 
features


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple 
> dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box which 
> can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature updates 
> and it is like $2500 annually after that.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator  <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
> Kurt,
> 
> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
> shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing 
> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
> 
>  
> 
> Steve
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
> 
>  
> 
> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which 
> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like 
> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where 
> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and 
> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy 
> with the Procera.
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator  <mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
> 
> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
> that I was going to look into:
> 
>  
> 
> Saisei
> 
> NetEqualizer
> 
> Packeteer (Bluecoat)
> 
> NetEnforcer (Allot)
> 
> Network Composer (Cymphonix)
> 
> Exinda
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?
> 
>  
> 
> Steve B.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
OK, I think Procera and Sandvine both have a per user cost (maybe a couple
dollars per user) and Procera has a cost for purchasing upfront. My box
which can do a gig of traffic cost $18,000 with the first year of signature
updates and it is like $2500 annually after that.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> Kurt,
>
> We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to
> do shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing
> number of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance
>
>
>
> Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give
> someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which
> is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like
> only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where
> things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
> although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
> with the Procera.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
> wrote:
>
> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
> time that I was going to look into:
>
>
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
>
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
>
>
> *Steve B.*
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Wireless Administrator 
There’s one I missed …

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Sandvine would be the other big player.

On 11/23/2016 12:33 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

We�re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
Procera so far.� I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
time that I was going to look into:

�

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

�

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

�

Steve B.

�





-- 
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Paul Stewart 
As someone already mentioned, Sandvine too …

I have used some of these options and consider Procera to be the best featured 
for a lot of use scenarios.  Just be sure to have your check book handy as it’s 
going to hurt - and when dealing with them please ensure that the sizing is 
realistic (ie. marketing vs real world)…. I find in our deployments that we 
oversize quite often to meet expectations and we utilize all of their products 
at scale today.

Paul



> On Nov 23, 2016, at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator  wrote:
> 
> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
> that I was going to look into:
>  
> Saisei
> NetEqualizer
> Packeteer (Bluecoat)
> NetEnforcer (Allot)
> Network Composer (Cymphonix)
> Exinda
>  
> Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?
>  
> Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Wireless Administrator 
Kurt,

We use PPPoE/Radius to set basic Queues on the Access Servers but want to do 
shaping at an application level.  Ntop reports are showing an increasing number 
of things getting out of control.  Windows updates %#@?! for one.

 

Steve

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

 

Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give 
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which is 
very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like only 
streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where things start 
to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and although I havn't 
tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy with the Procera.

 

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator  
wrote:

We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at 
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over time 
that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Simon Westlake 

Sandvine would be the other big player.

On 11/23/2016 12:33 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:


We�re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a 
look at Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have 
assembled over time that I was going to look into:


Saisei

NetEqualizer

/Packeteer (Bluecoat)/

/NetEnforcer (Allot)/

/Network Composer (Cymphonix)/

/Exinda/

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/Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?/

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/Steve B./



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Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm 
we had a netenforcer some time back, price get high with high capacity, but
it was awesome back then when p2p killed our alvarion gear we were able to
control it, all java suck interface, but that was like 5 or 6 years ago, i
bet its more elegant now

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
> time that I was going to look into:
>
>
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
>
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
>
>
> *Steve B.*
>
>
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Kurt Fankhauser 
Are you are just looking to shape general traffic to a client (like give
someone a 1.5Mbps plan) then you could use Mikrotik and simple queues which
is very in-expensive. If you want to do some shaping on an application like
only streaming or Windows Updates and stuff like that then that's where
things start to get expensive. I am using the Procera myself for that and
although I havn't tried any of the other brands you mention I am very happy
with the Procera.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> We’re in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
> Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
> time that I was going to look into:
>
>
>
> Saisei
>
> NetEqualizer
>
> *Packeteer (Bluecoat)*
>
> *NetEnforcer (Allot)*
>
> *Network Composer (Cymphonix)*
>
> *Exinda*
>
>
>
> *Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?*
>
>
>
> *Steve B.*
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Traffic Shaping Appliance

2016-11-23 Thread Wireless Administrator 
We're in the market for a traffic shaping appliance and have had a look at
Procera so far.  I have a list of vendors/products a have assembled over
time that I was going to look into:

 

Saisei

NetEqualizer

Packeteer (Bluecoat)

NetEnforcer (Allot)

Network Composer (Cymphonix)

Exinda

 

Anyone care to share experiences on this subject?

 

Steve B.