subject:"\[AFMUG\] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig"

Sorry but nothing is free…. just saying……


> On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Let me guess, BGP from a huge colo/dedicated server/CDN type network that has 
> a ridiculous amount of outbound traffic, 90:10 outbound traffic ratio...  The 
> only effect a residential last mile ISP can really have is beneficial for 
> many of that type of hosting operation, helping them even out their traffic 
> ratios with various peers.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net 
> <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:
> I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G 
> connection. FREE.
> 
> Transport is the real problem... LOL
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 
>>  
>> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>>  
>> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
>> pick them up at Delong.
>> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
>> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get 
>> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
>> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>>  
>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 
>>> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
>>> Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
>>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>>> 
>>> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
>>> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>
>>> 
>>> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
>>> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/>
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
>>> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
>>> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
>>> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>
>>> 
>> 
>>  
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Let me guess, BGP from a huge colo/dedicated server/CDN type network that
has a ridiculous amount of outbound traffic, 90:10 outbound traffic
ratio...  The only effect a residential last mile ISP can really have is
beneficial for many of that type of hosting operation, helping them even
out their traffic ratios with various peers.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G
> connection. FREE.
>
> Transport is the real problem... LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get
> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11,
> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond
> 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
>
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet
> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/
>
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
> http://tahoeix.org/
>
> --
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Eric Kuhnke

though it's still in a closet on the 20th floor :), but a closet with N+1
redundant cooling, power feeds, etc...  The new SIX core Arista that is
coming soon will be a sight to behold.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 9/11/16 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>>
>
>
> That's how they all start. SIX started as two people with a switch in a
> closet. Now it's more.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 9/12/16 09:06, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

I think if I had to do this I'd do multiple one gig pipes and route
certain pipes to certain subnets.
Break it up into smaller problems... ?



Nx1G with BGP load sharing is a viable option, it simply comes down to 
cost effectiveness. I wouldn't personally go the break up subnets route 
though.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I think if I had to do this I'd do multiple one gig pipes and route certain 
pipes to certain subnets.
Break it up into smaller problems... ?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Seth Mattinen 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

  On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  > I've got a port better than that.  ;-)
  >

  I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status 
  quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me 
  pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll 
  pass. It's been a long time coming.

  ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 9/12/16 4:09 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route
server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where
do you draw the line?  Using Netflix caches for example…..

The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will
benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks
already have them on-net.


The larger peers still get diversity and redundancy afforded by the IX, 
and the IX nodes still get a more diverse set of eyeballs than private 
ones. An IX will always have big providers, small providers, and even 
end user networks. One can, of course, go it alone and eschew all 
external resources.





Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s
members by bringing caches in.  For those members on an IXP that are
selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in
how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done
(at least for some transit providers, not all).



Akamai wants to be on exchanges and they have been known to proactively 
approach ones of all sizes to do so. The fact that an IX has those 
resources might be because those resources want to be there. CDNs don't 
usually want to be limited to someone's private network.


Now, if someone doesn't want Akamai on an IX because they have a private 
cache they use a selling point... Obviously I'm a proponent of access to 
resources. I could also be wrong and prices for "internet" will start to 
go up again.


Actually this reminds me: Cogent called me a while back looking to sell 
transit to me. One of their pitch points was the content they have on 
net to which I asked, why would I pay you for content I can get 
cheaper/free at an IX? Why would I buy transit from a single AS when I 
can buy (cheaper) transport to reach multiple ASes? I wouldn't unless I 
only knew how to "buy internet", which I suspect is the target market 
they're after. But when those questions come up on lists like this 
someone always chimes in and says hey, there's a better way. Of course 
Cogent and others with that model want me to buy from them on their 
terms, not be somewhere where there's options.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Definitely and didn’t mean to sound all “big boy” about this kind of stuff…  
IXP’s are an interesting beast as they want lots of smaller folks to connect to 
the larger folks so have to keep everyone happy.


> On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:21 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> 
> We were all small once. 
>  
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP 
> transit. It's a phase. 
>  
> Jared
>  
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server 
> or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw 
> the line?  Using Netflix caches for example…..   
>  
> The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit 
> from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them 
> on-net.
>  
> Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members 
> by bringing caches in.  For those members on an IXP that are selling IP 
> Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is 
> sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some 
> transit providers, not all).
>  
> I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for 
> where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first 
> thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited.  This 
> wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their 
> platform, stability, support etc.
>  
> It’s all about viewpoint of course …. 
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: 
> 
> Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
> each having their own.
>  
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/]
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> 
>  
> ----------------
> 
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
> Akamai clusters.
>   
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: 
> 
> I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.
> 
> https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829[https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829]
> 
> It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
> networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
>  
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/]
> [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL]
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> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> 
> So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
> 
>  
> 
> From: Roger Timmerman
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> 
> SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of 
> the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a 
> VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the 
> major data centers in Utah or even at their

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Mike Hammett

Transport is typically quite a bit cheaper than transit. I'm seeing 10G waves 
only 50% more expensive than 1G waves. The quotes I got for you were similar to 
that. 

You'd drop a router into the remote facility, connect at 1G or 10G to transit 
providers and an IX. Then you'd haul that back to your network at 10G. You 
don't get the world from an IX, but you do get (typically) Akamai, Google, 
Netflix, etc. which are 1/2 to 2/3 of your traffic. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:15:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


Ok, 
So if I understand you place a router to colo in IX for your ip space,correct? 
What about capacity into your network? If you still only have access to 1Gig 
pipes. 

Also, What is transport going to cost to increase those pipes to 10G so that 
you will have that added capacity into your network? 
I cant get any transport lower than 8K in my area. 



On 9/11/2016 3:58 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: 



Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper 
to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from 
Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once 
you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive 
upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your 
area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 





I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have 
you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do you 
upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same 
speed ? 
Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g 
bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since 
to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp 
sessions? 
I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when 
it's lighting the same glass? 





--

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Josh Reynolds

Windstream has 100G in Dallas from what I'm seeing.

On Sep 12, 2016 7:18 AM, "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> Exactly..
>
> If I could get windstream to do better on a 10G transport to dallas Id be
> good.
>
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 8:52 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
> I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G
> connection. FREE.
>
> Transport is the real problem... LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get
> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>
> -----Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11,
> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond
> 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
>
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet
> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/
>
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
> http://tahoeix.org/
>
> --
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread fiberrun

We were all small once. 
 
I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP 
transit. It's a phase. 
 
Jared
 

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or 
direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the 
line?  Using Netflix caches for example…..   
 
The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit 
from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them 
on-net.
 
Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by 
bringing caches in.  For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit 
services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is 
related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit 
providers, not all).
 
I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for 
where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first 
thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited.  This 
wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, 
stability, support etc.
 
It’s all about viewpoint of course …. 
 
Paul
 
 
 

On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: 

Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
each having their own.
 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/]
[https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL]
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From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
Akamai clusters.
  

On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: 

I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829[https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829]

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
 

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/]
[https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL]
Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/]
[https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix]
The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/]
[https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg]


 


From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
 

So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?

 

From: Roger Timmerman
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
 

SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of the 
peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS 
across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data 
centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber 
connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it 
outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 
 
Roger

 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  

 

From: Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
 
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread David Milholen


Exactly..

If I could get windstream to do better on a 10G transport to dallas Id 
be good.




On 9/11/2016 8:52 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G 
connection. FREE.


Transport is the real problem... LOL

Travis


On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I 
can pick them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect 
elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC 
and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.

I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 
11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.


Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the 
internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/


Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/


--
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/





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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread David Milholen


Ok,

So if I understand you place a router to colo in IX for your ip 
space,correct?


What about capacity into your network? If you still only have access to 
1Gig pipes.


Also, What is transport going to cost to increase those pipes to 10G so 
that you will have that added capacity into your network?


I cant get any transport lower than 8K in my area.


On 9/11/2016 3:58 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually 
it's cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free 
bandwidth from Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your 
upstream pipes. Plus once you're at the IX with a router/switch you 
could easily pick up an inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than 
paying for multiple big pipes back to your area. This is what we do. 
Saves a lot.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout > wrote:


I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of 
capacity, how have you guys handled this in the past for those that 
have been through this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't 
go down? Upgrade them both to the same speed ?


Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even 
with 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes 
before it makes since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done 
this? Just multiple bgp sessions?


I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g 
interface when it's lighting the same glass?




--

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread fiberrun

We were all small once.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP transit. It's a phase.

Jared

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example…..

The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net.

Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all).

I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, stability, support etc.

It’s all about viewpoint of course ….

Paul

On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters.

On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?

From: Roger Timmerman

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA.

Roger

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.

From: Cassidy B. Larson

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong.

SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.

I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/

--
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-12 Thread Mike Hammett

Usually it's done in concert with that CDN. 

IX: We want you at our IX. Here are the currently announced ASNs and prefixes. 
CDN: We see a peak of X gigabit/s. That justifies a caching node. Once we reach 
Y gigabit/s, we'll make that site on-net (assuming that CDN has a concept of 
on-net). 

The whole point of peering is transit bypass. I don't think anyone is overly 
concerned about the effects on networks selling transit when other networks 
bring their CDN to the IX. The back and forth in an establishment of an IX is 
getting big CDNs and eyeball ISPs to show up. Eventually with enough eyeballs, 
you're now interesting to local content. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:09:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or 
direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the 
line? Using Netflix caches for example….. 


The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit 
from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them 
on-net. 


Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by 
bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit 
services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is 
related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit 
providers, not all). 


I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for 
where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first 
thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This 
wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, 
stability, support etc. 


It’s all about viewpoint of course …. 


Paul 









On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
each having their own. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
Akamai clusters. 







On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. 

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 




So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? 




From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the 
peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS 
across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data 
centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber 
connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it 
outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 

Roger 


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or 
direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the 
line?  Using Netflix caches for example…..   

The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit 
from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them 
on-net.

Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by 
bringing caches in.  For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit 
services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is 
related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit 
providers, not all).

I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for 
where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first 
thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited.  This 
wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, 
stability, support etc.

It’s all about viewpoint of course …. 

Paul


 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
> each having their own.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
> Akamai clusters.
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.
> 
> https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829>
> 
> It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
> networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
>  
> From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of 
> the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a 
> VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the 
> major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a 
> UTOPIA Fiber connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several 
> connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across 
> UTOPIA. 
>  
> Roger
>  
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  
>  
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, Sept

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

There isn’t a lot of networks connected there … it’s nice though seeing an 
exchange popping in in areas like Salt Lake - didn’t know lil now that IXP 
existed :)

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.
> 
> https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829>
> 
> It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
> networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
>  
> From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of 
> the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a 
> VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the 
> major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a 
> UTOPIA Fiber connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several 
> connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across 
> UTOPIA. 
>  
> Roger
>  
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  
>  
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
> pick them up at Delong. 
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
> the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>  
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>  
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
> 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, 
> going beyond 1 gig 
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
> 
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet says 
> there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>
> 
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/>
> 
> -- 
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

if you think about it for a moment then one should realize that 

There is no such thing as IP Transit in the Core of the Internet..
It's all peering arrangements settlement free or paid

  All providers sell IP Transit, were basing there cost on 
 Cost of delivery + Market perception Markup.(i.e what that market will 
sustain).

  There is a very interesting thing going on 
 Market Perception markup is becoming closer to 0
 & Cost of deliver is also having a very interesting effect due to 
increase in demand.

  If you look at cost of routers to handle large amount of ip traffic you will 
see that they are very very expensive (going up)
  however if you look at the cost of switches and optics being used for L2 
transport, this is going down and down... 

   This is the reason why, when one goes to ask for IP transit pricing from 
some of the carrier, they come back with a hefty price tag..
   (cause you are paying for them to upgrade their hardware and pipes)
   If you ask them for l2 transport, then the quotes can be very reasonable. if 
they have upgraded that section of their network... otherwise you will again be 
paying for their upgrades.

   Now if you are able to latch-on to someone who has recently upgraded their 
route/section to a 100g transport, then getting pricing for 10g transport gets 
quoted out at a very different level.

pickup IP BW at a major datacenter is becoming less and less expensive, simply 
because these folks have already invested money in their large routing platform 
so every sale is pretty much an incremental sale, with the $ dropping to the 
bottom line (after sales & marketing expenses).

I am talking about competitive carriers and not the likes of ATT...

:)

Regards  

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:52:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

> Here is a repeat of my prediction/forecast/prophecy:
> 
> BW cost will do what long distance rates did.
> 
> Remember the word asymptote from math class?
> Or limits in calculus.  The trend is toward zero.
> It will be just the port charge you will pay in the not too distant future.
> 
> - and for some - the future is now...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> I've got a port better than that.  ;-)
>>
> 
> 
> I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status
> quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me
> pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll
> pass. It's been a long time coming.
> 
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

At least for Akamai and I believe Netflix as well the more eyeballs going to 
the caches, the more diverse the content available on the cache. The more 
networks using a cache, the more likely the content you want is on the cache. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:35:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

It’s cheaper for me to have ours on-net rather than on the IX. Also more 
redundant. I have our netflix cluster spread between two separate on-net 
facilities, so I don’t need a costly protected path to the IX. 







On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
each having their own. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
Akamai clusters. 







On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. 

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 




So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? 




From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the 
peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS 
across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data 
centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber 
connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it 
outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 

Roger 


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

It’s cheaper for me to have ours on-net rather than on the IX. Also more 
redundant. I have our netflix cluster spread between two separate on-net 
facilities, so I don’t need a costly protected path to the IX.


> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
> each having their own.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
> Akamai clusters.
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.
> 
> https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829>
> 
> It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
> networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
>  
> From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of 
> the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a 
> VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the 
> major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a 
> UTOPIA Fiber connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several 
> connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across 
> UTOPIA. 
>  
> Roger
>  
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  
>  
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
> pick them up at Delong. 
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
> the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>  
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>  
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
> 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

BW cost will do what long distance rates did.



I don't think I've ever personally paid for long distance.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than 
each having their own. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
Akamai clusters. 







On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. 

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 




So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? 




From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the 
peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS 
across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data 
centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber 
connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it 
outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 

Roger 


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and 
Akamai clusters.


> On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai.
> 
> https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829>
> 
> It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
> networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?
>  
> From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of 
> the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a 
> VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the 
> major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a 
> UTOPIA Fiber connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several 
> connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across 
> UTOPIA. 
>  
> Roger
>  
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  
>  
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
> pick them up at Delong. 
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
> the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>  
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>  
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
> 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, 
> going beyond 1 gig 
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
> 
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet says 
> there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>
> 
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/>
> 
> -- 
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. 

https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 

It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball 
networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 




So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? 




From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the 
peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS 
across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data 
centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber 
connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it 
outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 

Roger 


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 7:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

-.-





Well if you want DFZ prefixes to go with it, that's extra.

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop?

From: Roger Timmerman 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of the 
peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS 
across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data 
centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber 
connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it 
outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. 

Roger

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  

  From: Cassidy B. Larson 
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

  The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
pick them up at Delong. 
  SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.

  Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
  I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 
2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Like to get an IX in SLC.

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

-.- 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:00:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

On 9/11/16 6:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Where? I'd like some. ;-) 


I've got switch with 10G ports on a workbench you can plug in to for 
free. I guarantee the port will have 10G of bandwidth available on it at 
all times. 

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Roger Timmerman

SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber.  They (Xmission) kept track of
the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided
a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the
major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a
UTOPIA Fiber connection.  It has definitely grown over the years, and
several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides
across UTOPIA.

Roger

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get
> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11,
> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond
> 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
>
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet
> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/
>
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
> http://tahoeix.org/
>
> --
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 6:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Where? I'd like some.  ;-)



I've got switch with 10G ports on a workbench you can plug in to for 
free. I guarantee the port will have 10G of bandwidth available on it at 
all times.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Where? I'd like some. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:52:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G connection. 
FREE. 

Transport is the real problem... LOL 

Travis 



On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Travis Johnson

I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G 
connection. FREE.


Transport is the real problem... LOL

Travis


On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I 
can pick them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect 
elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and 
get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.

I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 
11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: 
[AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.


Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the 
internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/


Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/


--
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Bruce Robertson


Ah, Seth, I didn't realize this was yours.  I wish you /the best/ of luck!

On 09/11/2016 04:14 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 9/11/16 3:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote:

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
http://tahoeix.org/



2 years now. =)

The hardest part is education and outreach on why peering is good.

~Seth


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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Bruce Robertson

I wish them luck with the Reno/Tahoe IX.  I started one over a decade 
ago - well, it was no-settlement peering, not really an IX - and no one 
was interested.  They were all too busy being competitors rather than 
cooperators.


On 09/11/2016 03:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote:

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
http://tahoeix.org/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

They have been for almost a year and last I knew, it wasn't ready yet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:06:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

On 9/11/16 5:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: 
> You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone? 
> Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance? 
> It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again. 


Last I talked to them they said they are redesigning the program. 

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

For the IX. There was well more than enough. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:05:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone? 
Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance? 

It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again. 






On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


I met MS's justification, but they couldn't meet mine, at least not yet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? 
That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. 
They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. 

Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify 
sending me one. 







On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 





... 
(if I tell, she might not kiss me again) 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? 


On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 5:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone?
Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance?
It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again.



Last I talked to them they said they are redesigning the program.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone?
Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance?
It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again.


> On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> I met MS's justification, but they couldn't meet mine, at least not yet.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
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> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>>
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA?
> That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches.
> They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams.
> Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify 
> sending me one.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
> ...
> (if I tell, she might not kiss me again)
> 
> From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port?
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
> 
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
> 
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
> the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> 
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
> 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, 
> going beyond 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
> 
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet says 
> there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>
> 
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/>
> 
> --
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

We have a netflix caching server and it does help a ton.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA?  
That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. 
They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams.

Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify 
sending me one.

  On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  ...
  (if I tell, she might not kiss me again)

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

  Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port?

  On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
pick them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get 
on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

  On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Are these things physically located in a single data center?

  -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 
2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
  On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.

  Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

  Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/

  -- 
  Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
  Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
  for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
  http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I met MS's justification, but they couldn't meet mine, at least not yet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? 
That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. 
They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. 

Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify 
sending me one. 







On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 





... 
(if I tell, she might not kiss me again) 




From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? 


On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


Here is a repeat of my prediction/forecast/prophecy:

BW cost will do what long distance rates did.

Remember the word asymptote from math class?
Or limits in calculus.  The trend is toward zero.
It will be just the port charge you will pay in the not too distant future.

- and for some - the future is now...

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I've got a port better than that.  ;-)




I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status
quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me
pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll
pass. It's been a long time coming.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? 
That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. 
They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams.
Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify 
sending me one.



> On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> ...
> (if I tell, she might not kiss me again)
>  
> From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port?
>  
> On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 
>>  
>> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>>  
>> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
>> pick them up at Delong.
>> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
>> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get 
>> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
>> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>>  
>>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 
>>> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
>>> Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
>>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>>> 
>>> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
>>> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>
>>> 
>>> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
>>> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/>
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
>>> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
>>> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
>>> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>
>>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I've got a port better than that.  ;-)




I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status 
quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me 
pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll 
pass. It's been a long time coming.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I've got a port better than that. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:33:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? 


On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. 




From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. 

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA. 
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) 




On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Are these things physically located in a single data center? 

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 


Like to get an IX in SLC. 



Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

...
(if I tell, she might not kiss me again)

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port?

On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  

  From: Cassidy B. Larson 
  Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

  The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can 
pick them up at Delong. 
  SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.

  Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
  I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 
2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Like to get an IX in SLC.

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Seth from TahoeIX is on here. We've got an IX now and hope to have three or 
four more by the end of the year. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ivan Kohler" <ivan-af...@freeside.biz> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:38:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: 
> Like to get an IX in SLC. 

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet 
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ 

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/ 

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. 
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning 
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses 
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Josh Reynolds

Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port?

On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can
> pick them up at Delong.
> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get
> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
>
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11,
> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond
> 1 gig
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
>
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet
> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/
>
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
> http://tahoeix.org/
>
> --
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong. 
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.

Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

  On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Are these things physically located in a single data center?

  -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
  On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.

  Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet says 
there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

  Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/

  -- 
  Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
  Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
  for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
  http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Are these things physically located in a single data center?



That's how they all start. SIX started as two people with a switch in a 
closet. Now it's more.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


On 9/11/16 3:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote:

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe -
http://tahoeix.org/



2 years now. =)

The hardest part is education and outreach on why peering is good.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick 
them up at Delong.
SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere.
Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on 
the Equinix IX there… or even LA.
I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> Are these things physically located in a single data center?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 
> 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Like to get an IX in SLC.
> 
> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet says 
> there's SLIX - http://slix.net/
> 
> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
> http://tahoeix.org/
> 
> -- 
> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig


Are these things physically located in a single data center?

-Original Message- 
From: Ivan Kohler 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig 


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.


Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/


Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/


--
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Ivan Kohler

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.

Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX.  Indeed, the internet 
says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/

Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - 
http://tahoeix.org/

-- 
Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning
for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses
http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Looking for the free bandwidth spoken of from Netflix and Google.  

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

There’s an IX in SLC already, http://slix.net/. We peer on it.  No Netflix 
though. 
There is a SIX extension in SLC though. 

  On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

  O really...

  On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Like to get an IX in SLC.

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's 
cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from 
Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once 
you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive 
upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your 
area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, 
how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through 
this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to 
the same speed ?

  Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 
1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes 
since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp 
sessions?

  I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface 
when it's lighting the same glass?

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

There’s an IX in SLC already, http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>. We peer on 
it.  No Netflix though. 
There is a SIX extension in SLC though. 

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> 
> O really...
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com 
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>  
> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>  
> Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's 
> cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from 
> Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once 
> you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive 
> upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your 
> area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com 
> <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
> 
>> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how 
>> have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through 
>> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both 
>> to the same speed ?
>> 
>> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g 
>> bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes 
>> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple 
>> bgp sessions?
>> 
>> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface 
>> when it's lighting the same glass?
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Josh Reynolds

O really...

On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Like to get an IX in SLC.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
>
> Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's
> cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from
> Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus
> once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an
> inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big
> pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how
> have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through
> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them
> both to the same speed ?
>
> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with
> 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes
> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple
> bgp sessions?
>
> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface
> when it's lighting the same glass?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Josh Reynolds

Ouch

On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Erich Kaiser"  wrote:

> We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the
> last second ( 2 days before install).
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> The Fusion Network
> er...@gotfusion.net
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity,
>> how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through
>> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them
>> both to the same speed ?
>>
>> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with
>> 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes
>> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple
>> bgp sessions?
>>
>> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface
>> when it's lighting the same glass?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Erich Kaiser

We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the
last second ( 2 days before install).


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how
> have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through
> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them
> both to the same speed ?
>
> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with
> 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes
> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple
> bgp sessions?
>
> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface
> when it's lighting the same glass?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Like to get an IX in SLC.

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper 
to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from 
Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once 
you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive 
upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your 
area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how 
have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? 
Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the 
same speed ?

  Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g 
bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since 
to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp 
sessions?

  I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface 
when it's lighting the same glass?

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper 
to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from 
Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once 
you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive 
upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your 
area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how 
> have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? 
> Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the 
> same speed ?
> 
> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g 
> bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes 
> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp 
> sessions?
> 
> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface 
> when it's lighting the same glass?

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

2016-09-11 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

The reality is you need to upgrade to 10g ports.. the rest is just a tap dance 
on managing it (from all perspectives) until then, 

It all depends on the cost of upgrading to 10g... 

There is no such thing as standard pricing... 

Hit me off list and I may be able to offer additional more specific advice. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:46:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how 
> have
> you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do 
> you
> upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same
> speed ?

> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g
> bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since
> to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp
> sessions?

> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when
> it's lighting the same glass?

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig