subject:"\[AFMUG\] i am vetting windstream...."

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-09 Thread Dave


Bit pricey for me upwards of $5500 for a GigE fiber hand off.


On 01/06/2017 12:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they 
quote (unlike some other companies) and horror stories


- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how
much bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

- Original Message -
*From:* Fitzpatrick, George
*To:* jayful...@cyberbroadband.net
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
*Subject:* RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion

Good Morning Jay,

Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your
network costs or provide some network diversity.

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cid:image002.png@01D23119.CD5FD980

Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the
country, providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, *Dark
Fiber*, Wave and 10/40/100 GE services.

We are the 6^th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune
500, with about $6 billion in revenue.

Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over
5,000 wireless towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP
locations, 400 service ready 100GE POP locations nationwide

Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this
relevant or please let me know when we can have a quick
overview call, thanks.

*G**eorge**F**itzpatrick**::*windstream wholesale*  ::*
content , media, gaming & cloud providers
Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I
917-444-5933 <tel:%28917%29%20444-5933>(m)

| more info| interactive network map**

- Original Message -
*From:* James Howard <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
    To: <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps
–20 and the droplets did make a shattering sound when they
hit the ground.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM

    *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting
the air, sometimes explode in the air.

I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in
Minnesota. You could spit, and the spittle would make a
tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the ground.

bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

  


On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a
pan of hot water in the air and have it freeze before
hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee from Texas
that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It
has been a long time since I have done it.ï¿½

ï¿½

*From:*Travis Johnson

*Sent:*Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM

            *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-07 Thread Jaime Solorza

How mighty Lincoln of you.

On Jan 7, 2017 9:32 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We also had to walk 5 miles uphill through 2 feet of snow. Both ways.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 1/7/2017 8:31 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Who goes to school in that kind of weather?   Damn..
>
> On Jan 6, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Our science teacher in Minnesota (high school) had some pot metal balls
>> about the size of a hard ball. They came in two halves that were threaded.
>> He would fill them with water while still inside, then when it was about
>> -30 or so outside, we would take one up to the football field and set one
>> of the balls on a table in the middle of the field. We would all then
>> retreat to the sidelines.
>>
>> Took about 15 minutes or so before the balls would explode like little
>> hand grenades.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2017 9:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.ï¿½ Perhaps ï¿½20 and the
>> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>> ï¿½
>>
>> Colder.
>>
>> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
>>
>> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
>> sometimes explode in the air.
>>
>> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could
>> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit
>> the ground.
>>
>> ï¿½
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
>> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an
>> employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
>> needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time
>> since I have done it.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>> ï¿½
>> -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two
>> days.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
>> ï¿½
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> Good morning everyone.
>> ï¿½
>> I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so
>> happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream
>> this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we
>> considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a
>> second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen
>> windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½
>> I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very
>> well.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had
>> gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations
>> which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options -
>> I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this
>> changes dramatically every time we look at it.
>> ï¿½
>> Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years
>> ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in
>> Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this
>> may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE
>> circuit - i just don't know yet.
>> ï¿½
>> So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using
>> them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
>> ï¿½
>> I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to
>> your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual
>> snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48
>> hours starting about 3 pm :)
>> ï¿½
>> Happy Friday!
>> ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-07 Thread Josh Reynolds

At least Fairbanks hits 80 in the Summer. Homer is so mild in comparison.
Like a colder Seattle with less rain.

On Jan 6, 2017 9:44 PM, "D. Ryan Spott" <rsp...@ngc457.com> wrote:

> We used to do this at school in Fairbanks, AK. That and blow soap bubbles
> so they could freeze and shatter like glass.
>
> It was 90 here today, had to go to a movie to get out of the heat!
>
> ryan
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | communities
> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
> 425-939-0047 <(425)%20939-0047>
>
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:25, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the
> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
>
> Colder.
>
> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
>
> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
> sometimes explode in the air.
>
> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could
> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit
> the ground.
>
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an
> employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
> needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time
> since I have done it.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> ï¿½
> -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two
> days.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
> ï¿½
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Good morning everyone.
> ï¿½
> I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so
> happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream
> this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we
> considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a
> second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen
> windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½
> I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very
> well.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had
> gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations
> which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options -
> I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this
> changes dramatically every time we look at it.
> ï¿½
> Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years
> ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in
> Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this
> may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE
> circuit - i just don't know yet.
> ï¿½
> So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using
> them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
> ï¿½
> I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to
> your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual
> snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48
> hours starting about 3 pm :)
> ï¿½
> Happy Friday!
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-07 Thread Bill Prince


We also had to walk 5 miles uphill through 2 feet of snow. Both ways.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/7/2017 8:31 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Who goes to school in that kind of weather? Damn..

On Jan 6, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Our science teacher in Minnesota (high school) had some pot metal
balls about the size of a hard ball. They came in two halves that
were threaded. He would fill them with water while still inside,
then when it was about -30 or so outside, we would take one up to
the football field and set one of the balls on a table in the
middle of the field. We would all then retreat to the sidelines.

Took about 15 minutes or so before the balls would explode like
little hand grenades.

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 9:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.ï¿½ Perhaps ï¿½20
and the droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the
ground.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½

Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
sometimes explode in the air.

I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota.
You could spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as
the frozen bits hit the ground.

ï¿½

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot
water in the air and have it freeze before hitting the
ground.ï¿½ We have an employee from Texas that has never seen
this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be ï¿½15 or colder
for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have done
it.ï¿½
ï¿½
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the
last two days.

Travis


On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

-7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
ï¿½
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
ï¿½
Good morning everyone.
ï¿½
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my
current (not so happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an
unsolicited quote from windstream this morning that looked
pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we considering fiber to
the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second
look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen
windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in
the past.ï¿½ I've also read they did a lot of buying and may
not have integrated very well.ï¿½
ï¿½
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA
folks had gotten together with windstream folks and got a list
of tower lit locations which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are
also looking at several options - I'm just looking at price +
value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes
dramatically every time we look at it.
ï¿½
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a
few years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty
extensive network in Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity
in centurylink areas - so this may be a better option for us
than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't
know yet.
ï¿½
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is
anyone using them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
ï¿½
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to
reply to your comments until later this afternoon when
Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all
be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting about 3 pm :)
ï¿½
Happy Friday!
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-07 Thread Jaime Solorza

Who goes to school in that kind of weather?   Damn..

On Jan 6, 2017 10:32 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Our science teacher in Minnesota (high school) had some pot metal balls
> about the size of a hard ball. They came in two halves that were threaded.
> He would fill them with water while still inside, then when it was about
> -30 or so outside, we would take one up to the football field and set one
> of the balls on a table in the middle of the field. We would all then
> retreat to the sidelines.
>
> Took about 15 minutes or so before the balls would explode like little
> hand grenades.
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 9:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.ï¿½ Perhaps ï¿½20 and the
> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> ï¿½
>
> Colder.
>
> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
>
> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
> sometimes explode in the air.
>
> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could
> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit
> the ground.
>
> ï¿½
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an
> employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
> needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time
> since I have done it.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> ï¿½
> -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two
> days.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
> ï¿½
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Good morning everyone.
> ï¿½
> I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so
> happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream
> this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we
> considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a
> second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen
> windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½
> I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very
> well.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had
> gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations
> which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options -
> I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this
> changes dramatically every time we look at it.
> ï¿½
> Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years
> ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in
> Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this
> may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE
> circuit - i just don't know yet.
> ï¿½
> So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using
> them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
> ï¿½
> I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to
> your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual
> snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48
> hours starting about 3 pm :)
> ï¿½
> Happy Friday!
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread D. Ryan Spott

We used to do this at school in Fairbanks, AK. That and blow soap bubbles so 
they could freeze and shatter like glass. 

It was 90 here today, had to go to a movie to get out of the heat!

ryan

-- 
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:25, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the droplets 
> did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>  
> Colder.
> 
> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
> 
> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, sometimes 
> explode in the air.
> 
> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could 
> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the 
> ground.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
>> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in the 
>> air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee 
>> from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be 
>> ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have 
>> done it.ï¿½
>> ï¿½
>> From: Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>> ï¿½
>> -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two 
>> days.
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
>>> ï¿½
>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> Good morning everyone.
>>> ï¿½
>>> I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
>>> happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream 
>>> this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we 
>>> considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a 
>>> second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen 
>>> windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ 
>>> I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very 
>>> well.ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>>> Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had 
>>> gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations 
>>> which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options - 
>>> I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this 
>>> changes dramatically every time we look at it.
>>> ï¿½
>>> Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink  which a few 
>>> years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in 
>>> Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this 
>>> may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE 
>>> circuit - i just don't know yet.
>>> ï¿½
>>> So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using 
>>> them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
>>> ï¿½
>>> I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to 
>>> your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual 
>>> snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 
>>> hours starting about 3 pm :)
>>> ï¿½
>>> Happy Friday!
>>> ï¿½
>>> ï¿½
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Well - I can tell you it is not just windstream that does that lol
thanks for the info Lewis!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lewis Bergman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  You don't have to hit me off list for my 2 cents. Offerings are fine. 
Contracting and billing border on extortion. I had a two year contract with 
them that I cancelled. They continued to bill and I tried for months to get 
them to stop. They eventually sent me to a collections firm. I asked for 
contract copies and all they ever would send was a copy of the bill with a 
contract date printed on it 2 years in the future. When I asked to get a copy 
of contract I signed that either had that date or an auto renewal they would 
just resend the invoice. This even though I sent them recordings, certified 
letters, and email chains from their people accepting the cancellation.

  I have no idea if it still shows up on my businesses' credit but it doesn't 
much matter I guess. I haven't been turned down for anything. Maybe all the CC 
guys know them already and discount their reporting. Anyway, their billing 
sucks. They refuse to let you cancel. I would definitely read the part about 
cancellation. Maybe ask to have the contract signor on their part initial that 
section.
  Bastards.

  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

We just signed a contract with them. Their billing and sales practices are 
a bit shady. Hit me offline for more info. But their pricing was too good to 
turn down. 

On Jan 6, 2017 1:21 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:

  I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they quote 
(unlike some other companies) and horror stories

- Original Message - 
From: Josh Luthman 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much 
bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

  - Original Message - 
  From: Fitzpatrick, George 
  To: jayful...@cyberbroadband.net 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
  Subject: RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion

  Good Morning Jay, 

  Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network 
costs or provide some network diversity.   

  Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the 
country, providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, Dark Fiber, Wave and 
10/40/100 GE services.

  We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, 
with about $6 billion in revenue.

  Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 
wireless towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service 
ready 100GE POP locations nationwide

  Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this 
relevant or please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.

  George Fitzpatrick   ::  windstream wholesale   ::  content , media, 
gaming & cloud providers 
  Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933(m)

  | more info | interactive network map

- Original Message - 
From: James Howard 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller

Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com

        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: <af@afmug.com>

    Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the 
droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.  

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the g

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


hah.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 2:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


  But how do you feel Lewis?


  bp
  <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

  On 1/6/2017 12:51 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
  > You don't have to hit me off list for my 2 cents. Offerings are fine. 
  > Contracting and billing border on extortion. I had a two year contract 
  > with them that I cancelled. They continued to bill and I tried for 
  > months to get them to stop. They eventually sent me to a collections 
  > firm. I asked for contract copies and all they ever would send was a 
  > copy of the bill with a contract date printed on it 2 years in the 
  > future. When I asked to get a copy of contract I signed that either 
  > had that date or an auto renewal they would just resend the invoice. 
  > This even though I sent them recordings, certified letters, and email 
  > chains from their people accepting the cancellation.
  >
  > I have no idea if it still shows up on my businesses' credit but it 
  > doesn't much matter I guess. I haven't been turned down for anything. 
  > Maybe all the CC guys know them already and discount their reporting. 
  > Anyway, their billing sucks. They refuse to let you cancel. I would 
  > definitely read the part about cancellation. Maybe ask to have the 
  > contract signor on their part initial that section.
  > Bastards.

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Bill Prince


But how do you feel Lewis?


bp


On 1/6/2017 12:51 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
You don't have to hit me off list for my 2 cents. Offerings are fine. 
Contracting and billing border on extortion. I had a two year contract 
with them that I cancelled. They continued to bill and I tried for 
months to get them to stop. They eventually sent me to a collections 
firm. I asked for contract copies and all they ever would send was a 
copy of the bill with a contract date printed on it 2 years in the 
future. When I asked to get a copy of contract I signed that either 
had that date or an auto renewal they would just resend the invoice. 
This even though I sent them recordings, certified letters, and email 
chains from their people accepting the cancellation.


I have no idea if it still shows up on my businesses' credit but it 
doesn't much matter I guess. I haven't been turned down for anything. 
Maybe all the CC guys know them already and discount their reporting. 
Anyway, their billing sucks. They refuse to let you cancel. I would 
definitely read the part about cancellation. Maybe ask to have the 
contract signor on their part initial that section.

Bastards.

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Lewis Bergman

You don't have to hit me off list for my 2 cents. Offerings are fine.
Contracting and billing border on extortion. I had a two year contract with
them that I cancelled. They continued to bill and I tried for months to get
them to stop. They eventually sent me to a collections firm. I asked for
contract copies and all they ever would send was a copy of the bill with a
contract date printed on it 2 years in the future. When I asked to get a
copy of contract I signed that either had that date or an auto renewal they
would just resend the invoice. This even though I sent them recordings,
certified letters, and email chains from their people accepting the
cancellation.

I have no idea if it still shows up on my businesses' credit but it doesn't
much matter I guess. I haven't been turned down for anything. Maybe all the
CC guys know them already and discount their reporting. Anyway, their
billing sucks. They refuse to let you cancel. I would definitely read the
part about cancellation. Maybe ask to have the contract signor on their
part initial that section.
Bastards.

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:37 PM Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> We just signed a contract with them. Their billing and sales practices are
> a bit shady. Hit me offline for more info. But their pricing was too good
> to turn down.
>
> On Jan 6, 2017 1:21 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they quote
> (unlike some other companies) and horror stories
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much
> bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Fitzpatrick, George
> *To:* jayful...@cyberbroadband.net
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion
>
> Good Morning Jay,
>
>
>
> Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network costs
> or provide some network diversity.
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>
> [image: cid:image002.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>
> Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the country,
> providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, *Dark Fiber*, Wave and
> 10/40/100 GE services.
>
> We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, with
> about $6 billion in revenue.
>
> Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 wireless
> towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service ready
> 100GE POP locations nationwide
>
>
>
> Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this relevant or
> please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.
>
>
>
> *G**eorge** F**itzpatrick   **::*  windstream wholesale *  ::*  content ,
> media, gaming & cloud providers
> Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933
> <(917)%20444-5933>(m)
>
> | more info | interactive network map
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
> ----- Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: <af@afmug.com>
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM
>
> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the
> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
>
>
> Colder.
>
> At about -45

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Chris Fabien

We just signed a contract with them. Their billing and sales practices are
a bit shady. Hit me offline for more info. But their pricing was too good
to turn down.

On Jan 6, 2017 1:21 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
> I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they quote
> (unlike some other companies) and horror stories
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much
> bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Fitzpatrick, George
>> *To:* jayful...@cyberbroadband.net
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion
>>
>> Good Morning Jay,
>>
>>
>>
>> Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network costs
>> or provide some network diversity.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>>
>> [image: cid:image002.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>>
>> Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the country,
>> providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, *Dark Fiber*, Wave and
>> 10/40/100 GE services.
>>
>> We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, with
>> about $6 billion in revenue.
>>
>> Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 wireless
>> towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service ready
>> 100GE POP locations nationwide
>>
>>
>>
>> Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this relevant
>> or please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *G**eorge** F**itzpatrick   **::*  windstream wholesale *  ::*  content
>> , media, gaming & cloud providers
>> Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933
>> <(917)%20444-5933>(m)
>>
>> | more info | interactive network map
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>>
>> Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>> Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the
>> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>>
>>
>>
>> Colder.
>>
>> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
>>
>> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
>> sometimes explode in the air.
>>
>> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could
>> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit
>> the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
>> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an
>> employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
>>

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

100% depends on who you ask.  Also, it varies on location.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:21 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
> I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they quote
> (unlike some other companies) and horror stories
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much
> bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Fitzpatrick, George
>> *To:* jayful...@cyberbroadband.net
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion
>>
>> Good Morning Jay,
>>
>>
>>
>> Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network costs
>> or provide some network diversity.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>>
>> [image: cid:image002.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>>
>> Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the country,
>> providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, *Dark Fiber*, Wave and
>> 10/40/100 GE services.
>>
>> We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, with
>> about $6 billion in revenue.
>>
>> Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 wireless
>> towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service ready
>> 100GE POP locations nationwide
>>
>>
>>
>> Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this relevant
>> or please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> *G**eorge** F**itzpatrick   **::*  windstream wholesale *  ::*  content
>> , media, gaming & cloud providers
>> Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933
>> <(917)%20444-5933>(m)
>>
>> | more info | interactive network map
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....
>>
>> Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>>
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>> Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the
>> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>>
>>
>>
>> Colder.
>>
>> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
>>
>> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
>> sometimes explode in the air.
>>
>> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could
>> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit
>> the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
>> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an
>> employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
>> needed t

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

That's good to know...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Hammett 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  You can't overcommit a wavelength.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  -7 at my house this morning.  Snappy!

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
  Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  Good morning everyone.

  I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.  I got an unsolicited quote from windstream this 
morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.  As as we considering fiber to 
the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.  Glancing 
through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had problems 
delivering committed bandwidth in the past.  I've also read they did a lot of 
buying and may not have integrated very well.  

  Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had 
gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations 
which I think is pretty good.  We are also looking at several options - I'm 
just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.

  Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.  We may 
also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better option 
for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't know yet.

  So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.  Is anyone using them 
now and unhappy?  If so, why?

  I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)

  Happy Friday!

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 1/6/17 10:21, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they
quote (unlike some other companies) and horror stories




What are you asking for? A "10G wave" usually implies transport, not 
internet access. Some do one better than the other. Like I wouldn't 
consider buying "internet" from Zayo but I'd consider dark fiber or a wave.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Mike Hammett

You can't overcommit a wavelength. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream 




-7 at my house this morning. Snappy! 




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM 
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream 



Good morning everyone. 

I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up. I got an unsolicited quote from windstream this 
morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave. As as we considering fiber to 
the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look. Glancing 
through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had problems 
delivering committed bandwidth in the past. I've also read they did a lot of 
buying and may not have integrated very well. 

Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had gotten 
together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations which I 
think is pretty good. We are also looking at several options - I'm just looking 
at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes dramatically 
every time we look at it. 

Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama. We may 
also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better option 
for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't know yet. 

So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream. Is anyone using them now 
and unhappy? If so, why? 

I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :) 

Happy Friday!

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


I am wanting to know if they're reliable, if they deliver what they quote 
(unlike some other companies) and horror stories

  - Original Message - 
  From: Josh Luthman 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 12:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


  What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much 
bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.




  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
wrote:




- Original Message - 
From: Fitzpatrick, George 
To: jayful...@cyberbroadband.net 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion


Good Morning Jay, 



Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network costs or 
provide some network diversity.   







Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the country, 
providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, Dark Fiber, Wave and 10/40/100 GE 
services.

We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, with 
about $6 billion in revenue.

Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 wireless 
towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service ready 100GE 
POP locations nationwide



Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this relevant or 
please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.



George Fitzpatrick   ::  windstream wholesale   ::  content , media, gaming 
& cloud providers 
Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933(m)

| more info | interactive network map









  - Original Message - 
  From: James Howard 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


  Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream





  Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)



  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone



  - Reply message -
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
  Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM



  It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the 
droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.  



  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream



  Colder.

  At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

  At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, 
sometimes explode in the air.

  I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could 
spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the 
ground.



bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in 
the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee 
from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be 
ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have 
done it.ï¿½ 

ï¿½

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

ï¿½

-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last 
two days.

Travis



On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!

  ï¿½

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM

  To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 

          Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  ï¿½

  ï¿½

  Good morning everyone.

  ï¿½

  I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current 
(not so happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from 
windstream this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we 
considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a 
second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen 
windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've 
also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½ 

  ï¿½

  Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks 
had gotten together with windstrea

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Josh Luthman

What are you asking for exactly?  Give them your address and how much
bandwidth you want (1g or 10g) and get a price.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:00 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Fitzpatrick, George
> *To:* jayful...@cyberbroadband.net
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion
>
> Good Morning Jay,
>
>
>
> Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network costs
> or provide some network diversity.
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>
> [image: cid:image002.png@01D23119.CD5FD980]
>
> Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the country,
> providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, *Dark Fiber*, Wave and
> 10/40/100 GE services.
>
> We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, with
> about $6 billion in revenue.
>
> Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 wireless
> towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service ready
> 100GE POP locations nationwide
>
>
>
> Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this relevant or
> please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.
>
>
>
> *G**eorge** F**itzpatrick   **::*  windstream wholesale *  ::*  content ,
> media, gaming & cloud providers
> Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933
> <(917)%20444-5933>(m)
>
> | more info | interactive network map
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM
>
>
>
> It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the
> droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
>
>
> Colder.
>
> At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
>
> At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air,
> sometimes explode in the air.
>
> I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could
> spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit
> the ground.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an
> employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it
> needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time
> since I have done it.ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> ï¿½
>
> -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two
> days.
>
> Travis
>
> On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> ï¿½
>
> ï¿½
>
> Good morning everyone.
>
> ï¿½
>
> I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so
> happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream
> this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we
> considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a
> second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen
> windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

- Original Message - 
From: Fitzpatrick, George 
To: jayful...@cyberbroadband.net 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: Windstream Wholesale Wave Pricing Promotion

Good Morning Jay, 

Was hoping to speak to see if we could lower some of your network costs or 
provide some network diversity.   

Windstream Wholesale is expanding our fiber network across the country, 
providing Ethernet, IP Transit, DIA, MPLS, Dark Fiber, Wave and 10/40/100 GE 
services.

We are the 6th largest fiber provider in the country, Fortune 500, with about 
$6 billion in revenue.

Windstream has over 8,000 corporate locations on-net, over 5,000 wireless 
towers on-net, 1200 service ready 10GE POP locations, 400 service ready 100GE 
POP locations nationwide

Please direct me to the appropriate people who would find this relevant or 
please let me know when we can have a quick overview call, thanks.

George Fitzpatrick   ::  windstream wholesale   ::  content , media, gaming & 
cloud providers 
Account Director igeorge.fitzpatr...@windstream.com I 917-444-5933(m)

| more info | interactive network map

  - Original Message - 
  From: James Howard 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 11:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

  - Reply message -
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: <af@afmug.com>
  Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
  Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

  It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the droplets 
did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.  

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  Colder.

  At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

  At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, sometimes 
explode in the air.

  I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could 
spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the 
ground.

bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in the 
air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee from 
Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be ï¿½15 
or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have done 
it.ï¿½ 

ï¿½

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

ï¿½

-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two 
days.

Travis

On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!

  ï¿½

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM

  To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 

  Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

  ï¿½

  ï¿½

  Good morning everyone.

  ï¿½

  I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream 
this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we considering 
fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ 
Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had 
problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've also read they did 
a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½ 

  ï¿½

  Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had 
gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations 
which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options - I'm 
just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.

  ï¿½

  Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years 
ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.ï¿½ 
We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better 
option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't 
know yet.

  ï¿½

  So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using 
them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?

  ï¿½

  I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to 
your comments until later this afternoo

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread James Howard

Sure!  What was their pricing for the 10G Wave?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the droplets 
did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream


Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, sometimes 
explode in the air.

I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could spit, 
and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the ground.



bp

<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in the air 
and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee from Texas 
that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be ï¿½15 or 
colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have done it.ï¿½
ï¿½
From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two days.

Travis

On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
-7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
ï¿½
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> ; 
memb...@wispa.org<mailto:memb...@wispa.org>
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
ï¿½
Good morning everyone.
ï¿½
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream 
this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we considering 
fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ 
Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had 
problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've also read they did 
a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½
ï¿½
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had gotten 
together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations which I 
think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options - I'm just 
looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.
ï¿½
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.ï¿½ We 
may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better 
option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't 
know yet.
ï¿½
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using them 
now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
ï¿½
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)
ï¿½
Happy Friday!
ï¿½
ï¿½



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Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Does anyone want to Comment on Windstream? :)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
Date: Fri, Jan 6, 2017 11:25 AM

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the 
droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.  

From: Bill 
Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Colder.
At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground
At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, sometimes 
explode in the air.
I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could 
spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the 
ground.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in 
the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee 
from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be 
ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have 
done it.ï¿½ 

ï¿½

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
-12F 
at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two 
days.Travis
On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:

-7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!

ï¿½

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½

ï¿½
Good morning everyone.
ï¿½
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with 
my current (not so happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited 
quote from windstream this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig 
wave.ï¿½ As as we considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought 
I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, 
I've seen windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the 
past.ï¿½ I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated 
very well.ï¿½ 
ï¿½
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining 
several WISPA folks had gotten together with windstream folks and got a list 
of tower lit locations which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking 
at several options - I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - 
knowing all of this changes dramatically every time we look at 
it.
ï¿½
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink 
which a few years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive 
network in Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - 
so this may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE 
circuit - i just don't know yet.
ï¿½
So - please - let me know your thoughts on 
windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, 
why?
ï¿½
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a 
chance to reply to your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's 
semiannual snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes 
for 24-48 hours starting about 3 pm :)
ï¿½
Happy Friday!
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Bill Prince

Our science teacher in Minnesota (high school) had some pot metal balls 
about the size of a hard ball. They came in two halves that were 
threaded. He would fill them with water while still inside, then when it 
was about -30 or so outside, we would take one up to the football field 
and set one of the balls on a table in the middle of the field. We would 
all then retreat to the sidelines.


Took about 15 minutes or so before the balls would explode like little 
hand grenades.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 9:25 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps ï¿½20 and the 
droplets did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, 
sometimes explode in the air.


I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You 
could spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen 
bits hit the ground.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water 
in the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have 
an employee from Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I 
thought it needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has 
been a long time since I have done it.ï¿½

ï¿½
*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last 
two days.


Travis


On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

-7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
ï¿½
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
ï¿½
Good morning everyone.
ï¿½
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current 
(not so happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote 
from windstream this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig 
wave.ï¿½ As as we considering fiber to the home in the near future I 
thought I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list 
archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had problems 
delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've also read they 
did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½

ï¿½
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks 
had gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower 
lit locations which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking 
at several options - I'm just looking at price + value + our future 
needs - knowing all of this changes dramatically every time we look 
at it.

ï¿½
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few 
years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive 
network in Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink 
areas - so this may be a better option for us than trying to do some 
kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't know yet.

ï¿½
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone 
using them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?

ï¿½
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply 
to your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's 
semiannual snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in 
our homes for 24-48 hours starting about 3 pm :)

ï¿½
Happy Friday!
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread chuck

It was a bit warmer when I did it in Illinois.  Perhaps –20 and the droplets 
did make a shattering sound when they hit the ground.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, sometimes 
explode in the air.

I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could spit, 
and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit the ground.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in the 
air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.ï¿½ We have an employee from 
Texas that has never seen this.ï¿½ I told her I thought it needed to be ï¿½15 
or colder for that to happen.ï¿½ It has been a long time since I have done 
it.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  From: Travis Johnson 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
  ï¿½
  -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two 
days.

  Travis



  On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

-7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
ï¿½
From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
ï¿½
Good morning everyone.
ï¿½
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream 
this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we considering 
fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ 
Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had 
problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've also read they did 
a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½ 
ï¿½
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had 
gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations 
which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options - I'm 
just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.
ï¿½
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years 
ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.ï¿½ 
We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better 
option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't 
know yet.
ï¿½
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using 
them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
ï¿½
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to 
your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)
ï¿½
Happy Friday!
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Bill Prince


Colder.

At about -45 to -50 It will freeze before it hits the ground

At about -70 to -75 it will freeze shortly after hitting the air, 
sometimes explode in the air.


I tried this when I experienced -55 when I lived in Minnesota. You could 
spit, and the spittle would make a tinkling sound as the frozen bits hit 
the ground.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 1/6/2017 8:38 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water 
in the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.  We have an 
employee from Texas that has never seen this.  I told her I thought it 
needed to be ï¿½15 or colder for that to happen.  It has been a long 
time since I have done it.

*From:* Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last 
two days.


Travis


On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

-7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
ï¿½
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
ï¿½
ï¿½
Good morning everyone.
ï¿½
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current 
(not so happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote 
from windstream this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig 
wave.ï¿½ As as we considering fiber to the home in the near future I 
thought I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list 
archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had problems 
delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've also read they 
did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½

ï¿½
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks 
had gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit 
locations which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at 
several options - I'm just looking at price + value + our future 
needs - knowing all of this changes dramatically every time we look 
at it.

ï¿½
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few 
years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network 
in Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - 
so this may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of 
ATT ASE circuit - i just don't know yet.

ï¿½
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone 
using them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?

ï¿½
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply 
to your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual 
snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 
24-48 hours starting about 3 pm :)

ï¿½
Happy Friday!
ï¿½
ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Mathew Howard

Ha! it's nearly 2 degrees here!

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:38 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in
> the air and have it freeze before hitting the ground.  We have an employee
> from Texas that has never seen this.  I told her I thought it needed to be
> –15 or colder for that to happen.  It has been a long time since I have
> done it.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
>
> -12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two
> days.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
> ï¿½
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Good morning everyone.
> ï¿½
> I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so
> happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream
> this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we
> considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a
> second look.ï¿½ Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen
> windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½
> I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have integrated very
> well.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had
> gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations
> which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options -
> I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this
> changes dramatically every time we look at it.
> ï¿½
> Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years
> ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in
> Alabama.ï¿½ We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this
> may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE
> circuit - i just don't know yet.
> ï¿½
> So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using
> them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
> ï¿½
> I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to
> your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual
> snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48
> hours starting about 3 pm :)
> ï¿½
> Happy Friday!
> ï¿½
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread chuck

My wife was asking if it was cold enough to throw a pan of hot water in the air 
and have it freeze before hitting the ground.  We have an employee from Texas 
that has never seen this.  I told her I thought it needed to be –15 or colder 
for that to happen.  It has been a long time since I have done it.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last two days.

Travis



On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  -7 at my house this morning.ï¿½ Snappy!
  ï¿½
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
  To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
  Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
  ï¿½
  ï¿½
  Good morning everyone.
  ï¿½
  I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.ï¿½ I got an unsolicited quote from windstream 
this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.ï¿½ As as we considering 
fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.ï¿½ 
Glancing through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had 
problems delivering committed bandwidth in the past.ï¿½ I've also read they did 
a lot of buying and may not have integrated very well.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had 
gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations 
which I think is pretty good.ï¿½ We are also looking at several options - I'm 
just looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.
  ï¿½
  Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.ï¿½ We 
may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better 
option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't 
know yet.
  ï¿½
  So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.ï¿½ Is anyone using 
them now and unhappy?ï¿½ If so, why?
  ï¿½
  I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)
  ï¿½
  Happy Friday!
  ï¿½
  ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread Travis Johnson

-12F at my house this morning. School has been canceled here the last 
two days.


Travis


On 1/6/2017 9:22 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

-7 at my house this morning.  Snappy!
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org
*Subject:* [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream
Good morning everyone.
I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not 
so happy) provider is nearly up.  I got an unsolicited quote from 
windstream this morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave. As as 
we considering fiber to the home in the near future I thought I'd give 
this a second look.  Glancing through list archives and the web, I've 
seen windstream has had problems delivering committed bandwidth in the 
past.  I've also read they did a lot of buying and may not have 
integrated very well.
Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks 
had gotten together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit 
locations which I think is pretty good.  We are also looking at 
several options - I'm just looking at price + value + our future needs 
- knowing all of this changes dramatically every time we look at it.
Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few 
years ago purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network 
in Alabama.  We may also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so 
this may be a better option for us than trying to do some kind of ATT 
ASE circuit - i just don't know yet.
So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.  Is anyone 
using them now and unhappy?  If so, why?
I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply 
to your comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual 
snowmagedden event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 
24-48 hours starting about 3 pm :)

Happy Friday!

Re: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread chuck

-7 at my house this morning.  Snappy!

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] i am vetting windstream

Good morning everyone.

I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.  I got an unsolicited quote from windstream this 
morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.  As as we considering fiber to 
the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.  Glancing 
through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had problems 
delivering committed bandwidth in the past.  I've also read they did a lot of 
buying and may not have integrated very well.  

Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had gotten 
together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations which I 
think is pretty good.  We are also looking at several options - I'm just 
looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.

Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.  We may 
also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better option 
for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't know yet.

So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.  Is anyone using them 
now and unhappy?  If so, why?

I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)

Happy Friday!

[AFMUG] i am vetting windstream....

2017-01-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller


Good morning everyone.

I'm looking at upstream providers as the contract with my current (not so 
happy) provider is nearly up.  I got an unsolicited quote from windstream this 
morning that looked pretty good for 10 gig wave.  As as we considering fiber to 
the home in the near future I thought I'd give this a second look.  Glancing 
through list archives and the web, I've seen windstream has had problems 
delivering committed bandwidth in the past.  I've also read they did a lot of 
buying and may not have integrated very well.  

Recently I saw a post from Chuck Hogg explaining several WISPA folks had gotten 
together with windstream folks and got a list of tower lit locations which I 
think is pretty good.  We are also looking at several options - I'm just 
looking at price + value + our future needs - knowing all of this changes 
dramatically every time we look at it.

Finally I know windstream recently purchased earthlink which a few years ago 
purchased ITC Deltacom which had a pretty extensive network in Alabama.  We may 
also need connectivity in centurylink areas - so this may be a better option 
for us than trying to do some kind of ATT ASE circuit - i just don't know yet.

So - please - let me know your thoughts on windstream.  Is anyone using them 
now and unhappy?  If so, why?

I'm also headed out for a few hours so i won't get a chance to reply to your 
comments until later this afternoon when Alabama's semiannual snowmagedden 
event begins - so we'll all be trapped in our homes for 24-48 hours starting 
about 3 pm :)

Happy Friday!

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