Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-30 Thread Matt Jenkins via Af
I am using an RB2011 as a VPLS NID to provide 100meg DIA to a customer. 
It works great.


Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 05:56 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:
We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the 
termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment.

I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter.

On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote:

That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed 
hub site.  At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP 
management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

Base Price:
1yr Contract: $1980/mo
2yr Contract: $1870/mo
3yr Contract: $1760/mo

We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to 
make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to 
them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer.

Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. 
Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract.

You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How 
many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover 
future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes 
in the path?

Just some things to consider.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1
in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.

There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the
hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited.

bp
On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where
you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass
at that rate.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

-
---
*From: *Bill Prince via Afaf@afmug.com
*To: *Motorola IIIaf@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service
right now.

He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~
8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere
on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8
is out of the question.

I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on
how to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment
cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining
equipment cost over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain alternatives.


--
bp




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Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-30 Thread Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
You are the value alternative :-)

I would probably double the bill sign them to a new three year agreement,
and get some some $$ for installation.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  There might be another wireless provider that could get them hooked up,
 but I couldn't speculate who.  They have a very narrow window through their
 trees to a tiny section of the valley.

 The other option would be running fiber up from the valley.  Where they're
 at, it would be an approximate 15 mile fiber run.  How much is that?

 bp

 On 10/30/2014 12:12 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af wrote:

  What are their alternatives Bill?


 On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote:

  I am using an RB2011 as a VPLS NID to provide 100meg DIA to a customer.
 It works great.

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 10/29/2014 05:56 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

 We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the
 termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment.
 I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter.

 On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote:

 That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly
 back to a fiber fed hub site.  At the customer site, we install an APC
 1500 UPS (with SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed
 and monitored from NOC.

 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM
 To:af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

 Base Price:
 1yr Contract: $1980/mo
 2yr Contract: $1870/mo
 3yr Contract: $1760/mo

 We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving
 customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable.
 Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to
 get to the customer.

 Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big
 deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of
 contract.

 You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver
 that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough
 to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about
 upgrades to UPSes in the path?

 Just some things to consider.

 Matthew Jenkins
 SmarterBroadband
 m...@sbbinc.net
 530.272.4000

 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

 No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

 Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1
 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.

 There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the
 hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited.

 bp
 On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

 What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where
 you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass
 at that rate.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
 ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
 t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

 -
 ---
 *From: *Bill Prince via Afaf@afmug.com
 *To: *Motorola IIIaf@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

 We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service
 right now.

 He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~
 8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.
 The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere
 on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8
 is out of the question.

 I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on
 how to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment
 cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining
 equipment cost over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain
 alternatives.


 --
 bp



 --







Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-30 Thread Bill Prince via Af
No.  There is no good reason to run fiber through here.  It's not on the 
way to anywhere.


bp

On 10/30/2014 1:01 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

The LEC and MSO don't have fiber anywhere near there?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL


*From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, October 30, 2014 2:57:12 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

There might be another wireless provider that could get them hooked 
up, but I couldn't speculate who.  They have a very narrow window 
through their trees to a tiny section of the valley.


The other option would be running fiber up from the valley. Where 
they're at, it would be an approximate 15 mile fiber run.  How much is 
that?


bp
On 10/30/2014 12:12 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af wrote:

What are their alternatives Bill?


On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

I am using an RB2011 as a VPLS NID to provide 100meg DIA to a
customer. It works great.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 05:56 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote:

We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things
at the termination point we offer a lease or purchase for
the extended equipment.
I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead
of the latter.

On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote:

That pricing is similar to what we charge when using
PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed hub site.  At
the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with
SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully
managed and monitored from NOC.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Jenkins via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM
To:af@afmug.com mailto:to%3...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated
100x100 service.

Base Price:
1yr Contract: $1980/mo
2yr Contract: $1870/mo
3yr Contract: $1760/mo

We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end
up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA
services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to
add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to
get to the customer.

Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is
usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the
cost of the link spread over term of contract.

You also have to consider what it takes from your
backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your
upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover
future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What
about upgrades to UPSes in the path?

Just some things to consider.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

Only real competition at this site would be bonded
T1 lines. Qty 1 T1
in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.

There might be another Wireless provider that
could get through the
hole in the trees, but the number would be very,
very limited.

bp
On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100
megs for? That's where
you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming
you're not losing your ass
at that rate.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent

[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Bill Prince via Af

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now.

He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~ 
8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.  
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on 
a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out 
of the question.


I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how 
to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and 
then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost 
over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain alternatives.



--
bp



Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Keefe John via Af

$1500 - $2500 a month is a competitive range.


On 10/29/2014 1:57 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right 
now.


He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~ 
8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed 
link.  The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to 
interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so 
anything in 5.8 is out of the question.


I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on 
how to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost 
and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining 
equipment cost over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain 
alternatives.







Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Mike Hammett via Af
What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want 
to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com 
To: Motorola III af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. 

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. 

He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 
8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. 
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on 
a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out 
of the question. 

I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how 
to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and 
then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost 
over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. 


-- 
bp 




Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Bill Prince via Af

No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines.  Qty 1 T1 
in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.


There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole 
in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited.


bp

On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where 
you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at 
that rate.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL


*From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right 
now.


He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~
8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on
a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out
of the question.

I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how
to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and
then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost
over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain alternatives.


--
bp






Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Mike Hammett via Af
Well, okay, but in that general area. The only fiber network available at my 
house is the one I had brought to my house. However, I would still price out a 
service as Windstream, Comcast, Frontier, etc. would as they're in my area. 
None of them have fiber anywhere close to me, but they're in my market. 

You're in the greater SF area, so whatever that circuit costs in that area. 
Maybe you hit up a reseller to see a rough quote from the other operators for 
that area before you price yours. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:25:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. 


No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. 

Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this 
location would be ~~ $500 per month. 

There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the 
trees, but the number would be very, very limited. 

bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: 



What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want 
to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com 
To: Motorola III af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. 

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. 

He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 
8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. 
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on 
a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out 
of the question. 

I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how 
to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and 
then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost 
over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. 


-- 
bp 








Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Matt Jenkins via Af

Base Price:
1yr Contract: $1980/mo
2yr Contract: $1870/mo
3yr Contract: $1760/mo

We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving 
customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always 
negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the 
upgrades necessary to get to the customer.


Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big 
deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of 
contract.


You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver 
that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge 
enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What 
about upgrades to UPSes in the path?


Just some things to consider.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 
in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.


There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the 
hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited.


bp
On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where 
you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass 
at that rate.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL


*From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service 
right now.


He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~
8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on
a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out
of the question.

I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how
to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and
then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost
over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain alternatives.


--
bp








Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread Paul Stewart via Af
That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a 
fiber fed hub site.  At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with 
SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from 
NOC.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

Base Price:
1yr Contract: $1980/mo
2yr Contract: $1870/mo
3yr Contract: $1760/mo

We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 
20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we 
have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the 
customer.

Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. 
Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract.

You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How 
many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover 
future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes 
in the path?

Just some things to consider.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
 No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

 Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 
 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.

 There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the 
 hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited.

 bp
 On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
 What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where 
 you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass 
 at that rate.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
 ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
 t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

 -
 ---
 *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
 *To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

 We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service 
 right now.

 He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~
 8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.
 The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere 
 on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 
 is out of the question.

 I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on 
 how to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment 
 cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining 
 equipment cost over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain 
 alternatives.


 --
 bp







Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

2014-10-29 Thread David Milholen via Af
We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the 
termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment.

I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter.

On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote:

That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed 
hub site.  At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP 
management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

Base Price:
1yr Contract: $1980/mo
2yr Contract: $1870/mo
3yr Contract: $1760/mo

We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to 
make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to 
them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer.

Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. 
Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract.

You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How 
many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover 
future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes 
in the path?

Just some things to consider.

Matthew Jenkins
SmarterBroadband
m...@sbbinc.net
530.272.4000

On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

No Comcast here.  No ATT here. Others as well.

Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1
in this location would be ~~ $500 per month.

There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the
hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited.

bp
On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:

What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where
you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass
at that rate.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent
ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen
t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL

-
---
*From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
*To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.

We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service
right now.

He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service.  The link is ~~
8.5 miles.  Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link.
The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere
on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8
is out of the question.

I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on
how to price this.  Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment
cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining
equipment cost over 12 months.  However, I would like to entertain alternatives.


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