Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Bill Prince]

And when Chunk gets with Amy, watch out.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 6/16/2016 10:17 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
*From:* Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just 
to see what comes out.



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches
of midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and
small you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts
and just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on
equipment/fiber and
> go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to
each his
> own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You
can spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars
with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in
front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count 
up on the

>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be
on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com
<mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an
individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
dwelling
>>>> and
>>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about
90 homes.
>>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this
will be
>>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>>
>>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>> network?
>>>>
>>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting
method.
>>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>>
>>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a
canyon under
>>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>> sharing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Eric Kuhnke]

Clearfield has a nice small weatherproof pole mountable patch panel that
can be used for active E or gpon. It's circular in shape. Designed for use
with clearfield's 1 or 2 strand drop cables.
On Jun 16, 2016 9:48 AM, "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Clearfield is what we used.  I liked the fact that the fiber was pretty
> tough and could be manhandled without damage.  They have a great catalog
> for beginners like me.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
>> see what comes out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>
>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>> midspan
>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>>> are
>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>> just
>>> > run more.
>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>> and
>>> > go
>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>> > own.
>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>> spend
>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>> equipment
>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>> > already
>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>>> the
>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>> the
>>> >> pole?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>> fiber
>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>> homes.
>>> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>> >>>> network?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>> under
>>> >>>> dense tree canopy.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>> >>>> sharing.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Paul Stewart]

I really like the Clearfield stuff… seen it used in a lot of fiber builds in my 
previous job …. It’s solid, works, and you can tell they put a lot of thought 
into it …

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: June 16, 2016 1:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 

I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber virgin 
they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the issues i knew 
nothing about and did so without a large capital investment in equipment. 

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

 

From: Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to see 
what comes out. 

 

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com 
<mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >
wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
> go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
> own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com 
> <mailto:br...@pooh.com> > wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com 
>> <mailto:br...@pooh.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>>> and
>>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>>
>>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>> network?
>>>>
>>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>>
>>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>> sharing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Ken Hohhof]

I've been saving this cartoon for next time Steve gripes about his woman not 
making the sammiches.



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Are you not entertained?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:08 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

You'll be leaving the best place to see the rants of Steve Jones. Speaking
of, WTF Steve? Did you murder your coworkers and now have nothing to
entertain us with?

On 6/16/2016 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Just a joke =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
wrote:


And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >>
>> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman
>> >> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were
>> >>> abunch
>> >>> of
>> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

Are you not entertained?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:08 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
> You'll be leaving the best place to see the rants of Steve Jones. Speaking
> of, WTF Steve? Did you murder your coworkers and now have nothing to
> entertain us with?
>
> On 6/16/2016 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Just a joke =)
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>> > There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
>> >> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman
>> >> >> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were
>> >> >>> abunch
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >
>> >
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[George Skorup]

You'll be leaving the best place to see the rants of Steve Jones. 
Speaking of, WTF Steve? Did you murder your coworkers and now have 
nothing to entertain us with?


On 6/16/2016 1:00 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Just a joke =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net 
<mailto:r...@corp.coastside.net>> wrote:


And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
> There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi
<r...@corp.coastside.net <mailto:r...@corp.coastside.net>>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >>
>> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there
were abunch
>> >>> of
>> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Luthman]

Just a joke =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
wrote:

> And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Lewis Bergman
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
> >> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <
> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were
> abunch
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> lew hamming fruit.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

And miss out on this fun?  Hellz no



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>> >>
>> >> From: Lewis Bergman
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch
>> >>> of
>> >>> lew hamming fruit.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Luthman]

There's an unsubscribe link in the headers.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rob Genovesi <r...@corp.coastside.net>
wrote:

> I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
> >>
> >> From: Lewis Bergman
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> >>
> >>
> >> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch
> of
> >>> lew hamming fruit.
> >>>
> >>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

I am gaining all sorts of unexpected knowledge from this thread...


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>>
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>>
>> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
>>> lew hamming fruit.
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Low hanging fruit. But more like getting ass hammered maybe.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:34 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
>
> Damn. That was supposed to be self rape
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
>> lew hamming fruit.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
>>> virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
>>> issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
>>> in equipment.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just
>>>> to see what comes out.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>>
>>>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>>>
>>>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <
>>>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>>>> midspan
>>>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small
>>>>> you are
>>>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>>>> just
>>>>> > run more.
>>>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>>>> and
>>>>> > go
>>>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each
>>>>> his
>>>>> > own.
>>>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>>>> spend
>>>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>>>> equipment
>>>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>>>> > already
>>>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front
>>>>> of the
>>>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> pole?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Ken Hohhof]

Is hamming fruit like a Hamming code?

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Damn. That was supposed to be self rape



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of lew 
hamming fruit. 



  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber 
virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the issues i 
knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment in equipment. 



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

  I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

  I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to 
see what comes out. 



  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message-
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of 
midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small 
you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and 
just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber 
and
> go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
> own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can 
spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if 
equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front 
of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on 
the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on 
the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual 
fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each 
dwelling
>>>> and
>>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 
homes.
>>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will 
be
>>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>>
>>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>> network?
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Damn. That was supposed to be self rape

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
> lew hamming fruit.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
>> virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
>> issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
>> in equipment.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>>
>>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just
>>> to see what comes out.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>>
>>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <
>>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>>> midspan
>>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small
>>>> you are
>>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>>> just
>>>> > run more.
>>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>>> and
>>>> > go
>>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>>> > own.
>>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>>> spend
>>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>>> equipment
>>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>>> > already
>>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front
>>>> of the
>>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>>> the
>>>> >> pole?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on
>>>> the
>>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>>> fiber
>>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
>>>> dwelling
>>>> >>>> and
>>>> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>>> homes.
>>>> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will
>>>> be
>>>> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>> >>>> network?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>>> under
>>>> >>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>> >>>> sharing.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Wow. Not a single auto correct self tape on that and there were abunch of
lew hamming fruit.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:28 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
> virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
> issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
> in equipment.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>>
>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
>> see what comes out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>
>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>> midspan
>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>>> are
>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>> just
>>> > run more.
>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>> and
>>> > go
>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>> > own.
>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>> spend
>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>> equipment
>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>> > already
>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>>> the
>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>> the
>>> >> pole?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>> fiber
>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>> homes.
>>> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>> >>>> network?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>> under
>>> >>>> dense tree canopy.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>> >>>> sharing.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

I am not saying that clearfield was the cheapest or best. For a fiber
virgin they seemed to offer a good end to end solution that solved the
issues i knew nothing about and did so without a large capital investment
in equipment.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 12:17 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
>
> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
> see what comes out.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>
>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>> midspan
>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>> are
>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>> just
>> > run more.
>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
>> > go
>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>> > own.
>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>> spend
>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>> equipment
>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>> > already
>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>> the
>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> >> pole?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>> >>
>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>> >>>
>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>> homes.
>> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>> >>>> network?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>> >>>> dense tree canopy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>> >>>> sharing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ll have to remember that chunk is the expert.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to see 
what comes out. 



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  That Amy, she has some odd tastes

  -Original Message-
  From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

  "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

  Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

  On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
  > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
  > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
  > run more.
  > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
  > go
  > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
  > own.
  > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
  > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
  > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
  > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
  > already
  > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
  >
  > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
  >>
  >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
  >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
  >> pole?
  >>
  >>
  >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  >>
  >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
  >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
  >>
  >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
  >>
  >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
  >>>
  >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
  >>> outside the dwelling?
  >>>
  >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
  >>>> and
  >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
  >>>>
  >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
  >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
  >>>> To: af@afmug.com
  >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
  >>>>
  >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
  >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
  >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
  >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
  >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
  >>>>
  >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
  >>>>
  >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
  >>>> network?
  >>>>
  >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
  >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
  >>>>
  >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
  >>>> dense tree canopy.
  >>>>
  >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
  >>>> sharing.
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
  >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>
  >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
  >>
  >>
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don't have experience with pole attached stuff or GPON so I'm just 
speculating.

But it's probably close to the same labor cost to string a small count main 
line for GPON as it would to string a 96 or 144 count mainline for active.

The actual drop splice might be less time and maybe a bit less complicated for 
GPON?

You didn't ask about active, but that's all I know for sure.

The electronics for active are a transceiver for each house and a regular SFP 
switch(s) at the other end.

You could cover this project with a couple of planet 48 port SFP switches at 
about $1600 each.
Transceivers and boxes for the customer end maybe around $100-$200 each.

Pretty cheap, but can connect to several 10Gbps ports on the back of those 
switches and give up to 80 people a full 1Gbps simultaneously.
GPON/PON can't do that yet, but really no one uses it like that today anyway.

A couple of years from now? Maybe.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for distribution.  
It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be our first 
build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under dense 
tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Sterling Jacobson]

Sounds like an endorsement, the "Sterling Jacobson Method".

I approve.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a splice 
case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops would not be 
a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow shoe on one or 
both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.

It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows 
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it will 
give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do if you 
do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.

-Original Message-
From: Bruce Robertson
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber outside 
the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling 
> and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>
> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for 
> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be 
> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>
> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>
> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>
> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>
> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under 
> dense tree canopy.
>
> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>
>
> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

http://www.clearfieldconnection.com

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:48 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Clearfield is what we used.  I liked the fact that the fiber was pretty
> tough and could be manhandled without damage.  They have a great catalog
> for beginners like me.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
>> see what comes out.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>>
>>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>>> midspan
>>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>>> are
>>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>>> just
>>> > run more.
>>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber
>>> and
>>> > go
>>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>>> > own.
>>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>>> spend
>>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>>> equipment
>>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>>> > already
>>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>>> the
>>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on
>>> the
>>> >> pole?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
>>> fiber
>>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>>> homes.
>>> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>> >>>> network?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon
>>> under
>>> >>>> dense tree canopy.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>> >>>> sharing.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

Clearfield is what we used.  I liked the fact that the fiber was pretty
tough and could be manhandled without damage.  They have a great catalog
for beginners like me.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:46 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
> see what comes out.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>>
>> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of
>> midspan
>> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
>> are
>> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and
>> just
>> > run more.
>> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
>> > go
>> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
>> > own.
>> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
>> spend
>> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
>> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
>> equipment
>> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
>> > already
>> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
>> the
>> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> >> pole?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>> >>
>> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>> >>> outside the dwelling?
>> >>>
>> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90
>> homes.
>> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>> >>>> network?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>> >>>> dense tree canopy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>> >>>> sharing.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

I love my Samsung auto correct. I stopped reading it Beggs i send just to
see what comes out.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That Amy, she has some odd tastes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> "I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."
>
> Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
> > splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you
> are
> > just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
> > run more.
> > But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and
> > go
> > all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his
> > own.
> > It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can
> spend
> > as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> > equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if
> equipment
> > and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
> > already
> > have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> >>
> >> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of
> the
> >> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
> >> pole?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
> >> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
> >>
> >> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> >>
> >> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
> >>> outside the dwelling?
> >>>
> >>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
> >>>> and
> >>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
> >>>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
> >>>>
> >>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
> >>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
> >>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
> >>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
> >>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
> >>>>
> >>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
> >>>>
> >>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
> >>>> network?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
> >>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
> >>>>
> >>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
> >>>> dense tree canopy.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
> >>>> sharing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
> >>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> !DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

That Amy, she has some odd tastes

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
run more.
But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and 
go
all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his 
own.

It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you 
already

have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:


> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
pole?


On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.

With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:


Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:


Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling 
and

then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA









!DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Yes

From: Rob Genovesi 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

I had been thinking in terms of a entry every 2-4 homes (drop cables from entry 
directly to house on each side).  Seems excessive.


It does seem more managable if it's ~ 8 drops per entry.  The drop cable may 
run alongside the feeder cable for X feet until it splits off to go to the home?


-Rob



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Hours.  So you want to minimize the number of entries you do.  

  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:28 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

  That's what I was looking for, thanks.  How long does it typically take to 
insert that in the middle of a 144 count?  Looks like a job...


  On 06/16/2016 09:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Isn't that what these are for?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:

  > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

  Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the 
house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the pole? 



  On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the 
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.

With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:

  Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual 
fiber outside the dwelling?

  On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each 
dwelling and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 
homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON 
network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon 
under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any 
sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA












!DSPAM:2,5762d2d4185131830565217! 

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Most of the fiber vendors will do a pre-connectorized design for this stuff 
if you have a really accurate design with pole spacings measured down to the 
inch.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

You put enough slack on the snowshoes that you can get the splice case down
and into the splicing rig.  Many of them have a hatch in the ceiling.  An
old RV works great for this if you are starting out.  It will need a good
workbench with good lights and some power for the fusion machine.  AC and a
sound system is always appreciated.  Functional bathroom.

Somehow you will have to get the splice back up, normally you would use a
bucket truck, hopefully one with a splice body so the same rig can do both.
But you can work this stuff off of ladders if you have to.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a
splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops
would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow
shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.

It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it
will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do
if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.

-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



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Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

"I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass."

Best quote of the day. Thanks Lewis! :)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
> splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
> just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
> run more.
> But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and go
> all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his own.
> It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
> as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
> equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
> and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you already
> have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:
>>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
 then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

 -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

 We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
 The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
 distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
 Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
 our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

 A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

 - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
 network?

 - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
 Anyone have experience with Tap?

 - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
 dense tree canopy.

 I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
 sharing.


 Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA






>>>
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>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Rob Genovesi]

I had been thinking in terms of a entry every 2-4 homes (drop cables from
entry directly to house on each side).  Seems excessive.

It does seem more managable if it's ~ 8 drops per entry.  The drop cable
may run alongside the feeder cable for X feet until it splits off to go to
the home?

-Rob


On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Hours.  So you want to minimize the number of entries you do.
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> That's what I was looking for, thanks.  How long does it typically take to
> insert that in the middle of a 144 count?  Looks like a job...
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't that what these are for?
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>>> and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>>
>>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>> network?
>>>>
>>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>>
>>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>> sharing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

We just did a 512ct the other day :(

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Hours.  So you want to minimize the number of entries you do.
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> That's what I was looking for, thanks.  How long does it typically take to
> insert that in the middle of a 144 count?  Looks like a job...
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:24 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't that what these are for?
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>
>> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>>
>> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
>> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
>> pole?
>>
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
>> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>>
>> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>>> outside the dwelling?
>>>
>>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling
>>>> and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>>
>>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>>
>>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>>
>>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON
>>>> network?
>>>>
>>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>>
>>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any
>>>> sharing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

You put enough slack on the snowshoes that you can get the splice case down 
and into the splicing rig.  Many of them have a hatch in the ceiling.  An 
old RV works great for this if you are starting out.  It will need a good 
workbench with good lights and some power for the fusion machine.  AC and a 
sound system is always appreciated.  Functional bathroom.


Somehow you will have to get the splice back up, normally you would use a 
bucket truck, hopefully one with a splice body so the same rig can do both. 
But you can work this stuff off of ladders if you have to.


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a
splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops
would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow
shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.

It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it
will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do
if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.

-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



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Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Lewis Bergman]

I want Amy good at it but it was a passion in the ass. Bunches of midspan
splits seems to be a pita. I'd the place is small enough and small you are
just learning maybe do smaller fiber count so you have less cuts and just
run more.
But, chunk is the expert.  We opted to spend more on equipment/fiber and go
all tap so the maintenance wouldn't require splicing. But, to each his own.
It seems fiber isn't that much different than anything else. You can spend
as much as you want and to some extent you replace labor dollars with
equipment dollars and vice versa.  Then it becomes what route if equipment
and people you have and the incremental cost to do this job when you
already have all that.  e Didn't so we went tap.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016, 11:23 AM Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> > With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
>
> Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of the
> house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count  up on the
> pole?
>
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
> pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.
>
> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
> On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:
>
>> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
>> outside the dwelling?
>>
>> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
>>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>>
>>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>>
>>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>>
>>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>>>
>>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>>
>>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>>> dense tree canopy.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Jaime Solorza]

Love it when you guys talk fiber porn
On Jun 16, 2016 10:30 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a
> splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops
> would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow
> shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.
>
> It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also
> allows you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option
> as it will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really
> cheaper to do if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bruce Robertson
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>
> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
> outside the dwelling?
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>
>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>
>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>>
>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>
>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>> dense tree canopy.
>>
>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>>
>>
>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Every so often, you do what is called a "ring cut" or "mid entry" with a 
splice case.  Run drops forwards and back from the splice case.  8 drops 
would not be a bad number to feed from each entry point.  You have a snow 
shoe on one or both sides of the splice case to store you main cable slack.


It is easier than dealing with splitters out in the field and it also allows 
you to do full active if you want to.  And you do want that option as it 
will give you more capacity on each drop to sell and is really cheaper to do 
if you do it via the Sterling Jacobson method.


-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



!DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Bruce Robertson]

> With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

Right, I got that.  I'm talking mechanically on the pole, in front of 
the house.  How do you suck their one fiber out of the 144 count up on 
the pole?


On 06/16/2016 09:22 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the 
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.


With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.

On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson" > wrote:


Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual
fiber outside the dwelling?

On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each
dwelling and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.

-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about
90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this
will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small
GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting
method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a
canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for
any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900  • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon
Bay CA







!DSPAM:2,5762d245184159820018358! 

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Josh Reynolds]

On gpon via a splitter. 1 fiber in, multiple fibers out. Can be on the
pole, in a pedestal, or even in the ground in a hand hole.

With active, each strand has to run back to a switch somewhere.
On Jun 16, 2016 11:20 AM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber
> outside the dwelling?
>
> On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and
>> then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network
>>
>> We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
>> The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
>> distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
>> Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
>> our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.
>>
>> A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:
>>
>> - What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?
>>
>> - Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
>> Anyone have experience with Tap?
>>
>> - Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
>> dense tree canopy.
>>
>> I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.
>>
>>
>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Bruce Robertson]

Noob question - mechanically, how do you break out an individual fiber 
outside the dwelling?


On 06/16/2016 09:15 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling 
and then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- From: Rob Genovesi
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA



!DSPAM:2,5762d0b8181031678613189!

Re: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

[Chuck McCown]

Something that small, run 144 count fiber, home run to each dwelling and 
then choose active or PON back at your cabinet.


-Original Message- 
From: Rob Genovesi

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Building small GPON network

We're looking at our first fiber neighborhood project, about 90 homes.
The neighborhood will be fed via wireless and fiber used for
distribution.  It's 100% aerial in remote private neighborhood.
Currently in the research/feasibility stage, but I hope this will be
our first build and a good project to cut our teeth on.

A few questions, answer off-list if you prefer:

- What OLT/ONT have people been using and liked for a small GPON network?

- Reading about "Distributed Tap Architecture" vs Splitting method.
Anyone have experience with Tap?

- Armored or Dielectric?  100% aerial at the bottom of a canyon under
dense tree canopy.

I'm sure there will be more questions, thanks in advance for any sharing.


Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA