Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Dave]

my in mind calculator was tired LOL


On 04/18/2018 01:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I think 4 X 15 is closer to 60...

;-)

bp


On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Dave wrote:
My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given 
time.

4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have 
no complaints



On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:


Hi,

�

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a 
church that usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.


�

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times 
for a given streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi 
users have full access to the other 105M.� What is the best way to 
go about this?


�

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to 
PCQ which would leave the remaining 15M available to the other 
device (e.g. if i moved the streaming device to a different subnet)?


I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I 
can't seem to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.� 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)


�

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, 
does anyone know of a good tutorial?


�

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

�

Thanks,

Justin



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Bill Prince]

I think 4 X 15 is closer to 60...

;-)

bp


On 4/18/2018 11:46 AM, Dave wrote:
My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given 
time.

4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have 
no complaints



On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:


Hi,

�

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a 
church that usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.


�

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times 
for a given streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi 
users have full access to the other 105M.� What is the best way to 
go about this?


�

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ 
which would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device 
(e.g. if i moved the streaming device to a different subnet)?


I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I 
can't seem to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.� 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)


�

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, 
does anyone know of a good tutorial?


�

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

�

Thanks,

Justin



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

Only 1 streaming device

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given time.
4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have no 
complaints

On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:
Hi,
�
I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.
�
I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.� What is the best way to go about this?
�
Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.� 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
�
Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?
�
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
�
Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Dave]

My question is how many streaming devices are there at any one given time.
4devices x15Mbs = 90Mbs
10Dx15M= 150M

PCC with Ques can do this for sure.
I use butch evans QOSbase3 for this at a couple Large hotels and have no 
complaints



On 04/18/2018 12:30 PM, Justin Marshall wrote:


Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.� This is for a church 
that usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.


I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times 
for a given streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi 
users have full access to the other 105M.� What is the best way to go 
about this?


Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ 
which would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device 
(e.g. if i moved the streaming device to a different subnet)?


I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I 
can't seem to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users. 
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)


Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?� If so, does 
anyone know of a good tutorial?


Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Justin



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
He skipped the mangle/queue tree part of the link below and is just
looking at simple queue w/PCQ (step 3).


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, Justin Marshall
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
If I use simple
queues, how could I go about giving the wifi users equal
access to the 105M?  If there are potentially 200+ users,
wouldn’t  I need to make the queues ~512k/512k, or am I
misunderstanding something?
 
 

  
From:
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X
bandwidth is available for a given device
  

 
There are
simple ways of getting this done, not using your queue
tree.  Simple queues are simple and basic. I would use
those.  Give me a call if you need further help though.

 

   
   
  Dennis Burgess,
Mikrotik Certified Trainer

  Author of "Learn
  RouterOS- Second Edition”
  
  Link
Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik &
  WISP Support Services
  
  Office: 314-735-0270 
  Website:
  http://www.linktechs.net
  
  Create Wireless
  Coverage’s with
  www.towercoverage.com
  

 

  
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com>
  On Behalf Of Justin Marshall
  Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth
  is available for a given device
  

 
Hi,
 
I have a customer with a 120M/120M
  connection.  This is for a church that usually has 100-250
  users on wifi at any given time.
 
I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M
  is available at all times for a given streaming device, but I
  also want to make sure any wifi users have full access to the
  other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?
 
Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish
  this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which would leave the remaining
  15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved the
  streaming device to a different subnet)?
  
I see an example on how to see a max limit
  for each PCQ user, but I can't seem to find any that set a max
  limit for all PCQ users.  (https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
 
Is there a better way to go about this?
  Marking packets?  If so, does anyone know of a good tutorial?
 
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Justin
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Yes, your example using the max-limit is right.

To let them all fight for it (essentially), you could only set the
max-limit, target=, and not use a PCQ, then it
would essentially let all the users share (mostly equally) the
available 105 Mbps. Setting a PCQ for each is probably the better
answer. It could feel sluggish for a bit for new connections if a
single user were using all of it, but you can set the per-connection
rate pretty high if you want to. At some point, you'll hit the 105
Mbps limit and it won't matter...


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
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On 4/18/18 12:02 PM, Justin Marshall
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Just to make
sure I understand correctly… (kind of going off the example
located at
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
 
Adding the
max-limit=105M/105M in step 3 would limit all users handled
by the PCQ to 105M?
e.g.
/queue simple
add max-limit=105M/105M
name=PCQ_Queue queue=PCQ_Upload/PCQ_Download
target=192.168.1.0/24

 
In step 2 of
that example I link, they show how to limit each user to
64k/32k.

/queue type add
name="PCQ_download" kind=pcq pcq-rate=64000
pcq-classifier=dst-address
/queue type add
name="PCQ_upload" kind=pcq pcq-rate=32000
pcq-classifier=src-address
 
Is there a way
to write that to allow them the full 105M if they were the
only user? (or ½ that if there are 2, 1/3 if 3, etc)  Just
not specify a pcq-rate?
 
Thanks
 

  
From:
Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X
    bandwidth is available for a given device
  

 
You can setup
  a PCQ for WiFi subnet as you described, but also set the
  max-limit for both down and up on the PCQ and it will
  distribute bandwidth among all IPs in the PCQ, limited to the
  per-IP rate in the PCQ and overall limited to the max-limit,
  which you'd set to 105 Mbps. Then if you still want to, you
  can have a simple queue for the streaming device (which would
  make it easy to see how much the streamer is actually using).
  
  You can also do all this with the queue tree, but will be more
  complicated.

  Jesse DuPont
  
Network
Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity
Broadband LLC
  Like us!
facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  
  


  On 4/18/18 11:30 AM, Justin
  Marshall wrote:


  Hi,
   
  I have a customer with a 120M/120M
connection.  This is for a church that usually has 100-250
users on wifi at any given time.
   
  I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M
is available at all times for a given streaming device, but
I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access to
the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?
   
  Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish
this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which would leave the
remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved
the streaming device to a different subnet)?

  I see an example on how to see a max
limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem to find any that
set a max limit for all PCQ users.  (https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
   
  Is there a better way to go about this?
Marking packets?  If so, does anyone know of a good
tutorial?
   
  Any suggestion would be appreciated.
   
  Thanks,
  Justin

 
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

If I use simple queues, how could I go about giving the wifi users equal access 
to the 105M?  If there are potentially 200+ users, wouldn't  I need to make the 
queues ~512k/512k, or am I misunderstanding something?


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

There are simple ways of getting this done, not using your queue tree.  Simple 
queues are simple and basic. I would use those.  Give me a call if you need 
further help though.



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>
Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Justin Marshall
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Dennis Burgess]

There are simple ways of getting this done, not using your queue tree.  Simple 
queues are simple and basic. I would use those.  Give me a call if you need 
further help though.



Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: 
http://www.linktechs.net
Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com

From: Af  On Behalf Of Justin Marshall
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Justin Marshall]

Just to make sure I understand correctly… (kind of going off the example 
located at https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Adding the max-limit=105M/105M in step 3 would limit all users handled by the 
PCQ to 105M?
e.g.
/queue simple
add max-limit=105M/105M name=PCQ_Queue queue=PCQ_Upload/PCQ_Download 
target=192.168.1.0/24

In step 2 of that example I link, they show how to limit each user to 64k/32k.
/queue type add name="PCQ_download" kind=pcq pcq-rate=64000 
pcq-classifier=dst-address
/queue type add name="PCQ_upload" kind=pcq pcq-rate=32000 
pcq-classifier=src-address

Is there a way to write that to allow them the full 105M if they were the only 
user? (or ½ that if there are 2, 1/3 if 3, etc)  Just not specify a pcq-rate?

Thanks

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given 
device

You can setup a PCQ for WiFi subnet as you described, but also set the 
max-limit for both down and up on the PCQ and it will distribute bandwidth 
among all IPs in the PCQ, limited to the per-IP rate in the PCQ and overall 
limited to the max-limit, which you'd set to 105 Mbps. Then if you still want 
to, you can have a simple queue for the streaming device (which would make it 
easy to see how much the streamer is actually using).

You can also do all this with the queue tree, but will be more complicated.
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net<mailto:jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net>
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
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On 4/18/18 11:30 AM, Justin Marshall wrote:
Hi,

I have a customer with a 120M/120M connection.  This is for a church that 
usually has 100-250 users on wifi at any given time.

I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M is available at all times for a given 
streaming device, but I also want to make sure any wifi users have full access 
to the other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?

Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which 
would leave the remaining 15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved 
the streaming device to a different subnet)?
I see an example on how to see a max limit for each PCQ user, but I can't seem 
to find any that set a max limit for all PCQ users.  
(https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)

Is there a better way to go about this? Marking packets?  If so, does anyone 
know of a good tutorial?

Any suggestion would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Justin

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik: Making usre X bandwidth is available for a given device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
You can setup a PCQ for WiFi subnet as you described, but also set
the max-limit for both down and up on the PCQ and it will distribute
bandwidth among all IPs in the PCQ, limited to the per-IP rate in
the PCQ and overall limited to the max-limit, which you'd set to 105
Mbps. Then if you still want to, you can have a simple queue for the
streaming device (which would make it easy to see how much the
streamer is actually using).

You can also do all this with the queue tree, but will be more
complicated.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 4/18/18 11:30 AM, Justin Marshall
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Hi,
 
I have a customer with a 120M/120M
  connection.  This is for a church that usually has 100-250
  users on wifi at any given time.
 
I need to make sure that at least 15M/15M
  is available at all times for a given streaming device, but I
  also want to make sure any wifi users have full access to the
  other 105M.  What is the best way to go about this?
 
Is there a way to use PCQ to accomplish
  this? Dedicate 105/105 to PCQ which would leave the remaining
  15M available to the other device (e.g. if i moved the
  streaming device to a different subnet)?
  
I see an example on how to see a max limit
  for each PCQ user, but I can't seem to find any that set a max
  limit for all PCQ users. 
  (https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ_Examples)
 
Is there a better way to go about this?
  Marking packets?  If so, does anyone know of a good tutorial?
 
Any suggestion would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Justin