Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On 9/11/16 17:49, Bruce Robertson wrote: I wish them luck with the Reno/Tahoe IX. I started one over a decade ago - well, it was no-settlement peering, not really an IX - and no one was interested. They were all too busy being competitors rather than cooperators. It's still that way for some of them, but there are a few who are forward looking. Which is an improvement from the past. One non-participant had a list of demands based on how they're better and deserve elevated status compared to other peers. It was unique of them. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Sure it is. Like free advice. Worth every penny. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 8:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Sorry but nothing is free…. just saying…… On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: Let me guess, BGP from a huge colo/dedicated server/CDN type network that has a ridiculous amount of outbound traffic, 90:10 outbound traffic ratio... The only effect a residential last mile ISP can really have is beneficial for many of that type of hosting operation, helping them even out their traffic ratios with various peers. On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G connection. FREE. Transport is the real problem... LOL Travis On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Sorry but nothing is free…. just saying…… > On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Let me guess, BGP from a huge colo/dedicated server/CDN type network that has > a ridiculous amount of outbound traffic, 90:10 outbound traffic ratio... The > only effect a residential last mile ISP can really have is beneficial for > many of that type of hosting operation, helping them even out their traffic > ratios with various peers. > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net > <mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote: > I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G > connection. FREE. > > Transport is the real problem... LOL > > Travis > > > On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. >> >> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig >> >> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can >> pick them up at Delong. >> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. >> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get >> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. >> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) >> >>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Are these things physically located in a single data center? >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, >>> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Upstream, going beyond 1 gig >>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> Like to get an IX in SLC. >>> >>> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet >>> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/> >>> >>> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - >>> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/> >>> >>> -- >>> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. >>> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning >>> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses >>> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/> >>> >> >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Let me guess, BGP from a huge colo/dedicated server/CDN type network that has a ridiculous amount of outbound traffic, 90:10 outbound traffic ratio... The only effect a residential last mile ISP can really have is beneficial for many of that type of hosting operation, helping them even out their traffic ratios with various peers. On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote: > I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G > connection. FREE. > > Transport is the real problem... LOL > > Travis > > > On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get > on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, > 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond > 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet > says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ > > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
though it's still in a closet on the 20th floor :), but a closet with N+1 redundant cooling, power feeds, etc... The new SIX core Arista that is coming soon will be a sight to behold. On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Seth Mattinenwrote: > On 9/11/16 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Are these things physically located in a single data center? >> > > > That's how they all start. SIX started as two people with a switch in a > closet. Now it's more. > > ~Seth >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On 9/12/16 09:06, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: I think if I had to do this I'd do multiple one gig pipes and route certain pipes to certain subnets. Break it up into smaller problems... ? Nx1G with BGP load sharing is a viable option, it simply comes down to cost effectiveness. I wouldn't personally go the break up subnets route though. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
I think if I had to do this I'd do multiple one gig pipes and route certain pipes to certain subnets. Break it up into smaller problems... ? - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > I've got a port better than that. ;-) > I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll pass. It's been a long time coming. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
On 9/12/16 4:09 AM, Paul Stewart wrote: I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example….. The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net. The larger peers still get diversity and redundancy afforded by the IX, and the IX nodes still get a more diverse set of eyeballs than private ones. An IX will always have big providers, small providers, and even end user networks. One can, of course, go it alone and eschew all external resources. Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all). Akamai wants to be on exchanges and they have been known to proactively approach ones of all sizes to do so. The fact that an IX has those resources might be because those resources want to be there. CDNs don't usually want to be limited to someone's private network. Now, if someone doesn't want Akamai on an IX because they have a private cache they use a selling point... Obviously I'm a proponent of access to resources. I could also be wrong and prices for "internet" will start to go up again. Actually this reminds me: Cogent called me a while back looking to sell transit to me. One of their pitch points was the content they have on net to which I asked, why would I pay you for content I can get cheaper/free at an IX? Why would I buy transit from a single AS when I can buy (cheaper) transport to reach multiple ASes? I wouldn't unless I only knew how to "buy internet", which I suspect is the target market they're after. But when those questions come up on lists like this someone always chimes in and says hey, there's a better way. Of course Cogent and others with that model want me to buy from them on their terms, not be somewhere where there's options. ~Seth
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Definitely and didn’t mean to sound all “big boy” about this kind of stuff… IXP’s are an interesting beast as they want lots of smaller folks to connect to the larger folks so have to keep everyone happy. > On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:21 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > > We were all small once. > > I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP > transit. It's a phase. > > Jared > > > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM > From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server > or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw > the line? Using Netflix caches for example….. > > The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit > from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them > on-net. > > Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members > by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP > Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is > sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some > transit providers, not all). > > I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for > where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first > thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This > wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their > platform, stability, support etc. > > It’s all about viewpoint of course …. > > Paul > > > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than > each having their own. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] > Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] > The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] > > > > ---------------- > > From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and > Akamai clusters. > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. > > https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829[https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829] > > It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball > networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] > Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] > The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] > [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] > > > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > > So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? > > > > From: Roger Timmerman > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > > SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of > the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a > VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the > major data centers in Utah or even at their
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Transport is typically quite a bit cheaper than transit. I'm seeing 10G waves only 50% more expensive than 1G waves. The quotes I got for you were similar to that. You'd drop a router into the remote facility, connect at 1G or 10G to transit providers and an IX. Then you'd haul that back to your network at 10G. You don't get the world from an IX, but you do get (typically) Akamai, Google, Netflix, etc. which are 1/2 to 2/3 of your traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 7:15:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Ok, So if I understand you place a router to colo in IX for your ip space,correct? What about capacity into your network? If you still only have access to 1Gig pipes. Also, What is transport going to cost to increase those pipes to 10G so that you will have that added capacity into your network? I cant get any transport lower than 8K in my area. On 9/11/2016 3:58 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same speed ? Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp sessions? I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when it's lighting the same glass? --
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Windstream has 100G in Dallas from what I'm seeing. On Sep 12, 2016 7:18 AM, "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > Exactly.. > > If I could get windstream to do better on a 10G transport to dallas Id be > good. > > > > On 9/11/2016 8:52 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > > I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G > connection. FREE. > > Transport is the real problem... LOL > > Travis > > > On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get > on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -----Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, > 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond > 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet > says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ > > > > > > -- >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
We were all small once. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP transit. It's a phase. Jared Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example….. The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net. Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all). I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, stability, support etc. It’s all about viewpoint of course …. Paul On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters. On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829[https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829] It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :)
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Exactly.. If I could get windstream to do better on a 10G transport to dallas Id be good. On 9/11/2016 8:52 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G connection. FREE. Transport is the real problem... LOL Travis On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ --
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Ok, So if I understand you place a router to colo in IX for your ip space,correct? What about capacity into your network? If you still only have access to 1Gig pipes. Also, What is transport going to cost to increase those pipes to 10G so that you will have that added capacity into your network? I cant get any transport lower than 8K in my area. On 9/11/2016 3:58 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout> wrote: I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same speed ? Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp sessions? I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when it's lighting the same glass? --
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We were all small once. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has had illusions of grandeur of selling IP transit. It's a phase. Jared Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example….. The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net. Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all). I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, stability, support etc. It’s all about viewpoint of course …. Paul On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters. On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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Usually it's done in concert with that CDN. IX: We want you at our IX. Here are the currently announced ASNs and prefixes. CDN: We see a peak of X gigabit/s. That justifies a caching node. Once we reach Y gigabit/s, we'll make that site on-net (assuming that CDN has a concept of on-net). The whole point of peering is transit bypass. I don't think anyone is overly concerned about the effects on networks selling transit when other networks bring their CDN to the IX. The back and forth in an establishment of an IX is getting big CDNs and eyeball ISPs to show up. Eventually with enough eyeballs, you're now interesting to local content. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 6:09:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example….. The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net. Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all). I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, stability, support etc. It’s all about viewpoint of course …. Paul On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters. On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an
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I’m not a fan of any IXP putting caches into their network via route server or direct peering… first off “putting one” isn’t enough and where do you draw the line? Using Netflix caches for example….. The other challenge is that as the IXP grows, the only folks who will benefit from it are the smaller peers anyways as the larger folks already have them on-net. Also - now the IXP is taking away possible revenue from some of it’s members by bringing caches in. For those members on an IXP that are selling IP Transit services, I can tell you that a heavy factor now in how transit is sold is related to how much on-net caching is being done (at least for some transit providers, not all). I was in contact with a small IXP about 6 months ago as I was preparing for where we were going to expand into this upcoming fiscal year and the first thing they told me is “and we have an Akamai cache here!” all excited. This wasn’t an attractive feature for me - I was more interested in their platform, stability, support etc. It’s all about viewpoint of course …. Paul > On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than > each having their own. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and > Akamai clusters. > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > > I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. > > https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829> > > It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball > networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? > > From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of > the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a > VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the > major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a > UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several > connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across > UTOPIA. > > Roger > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > Sent: Sunday, Sept
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There isn’t a lot of networks connected there … it’s nice though seeing an exchange popping in in areas like Salt Lake - didn’t know lil now that IXP existed :) > On Sep 11, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. > > https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829> > > It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball > networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? > > From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of > the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a > VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the > major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a > UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several > connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across > UTOPIA. > > Roger > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on > the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 > 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, > going beyond 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says > there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/> > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/> > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>
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if you think about it for a moment then one should realize that There is no such thing as IP Transit in the Core of the Internet.. It's all peering arrangements settlement free or paid All providers sell IP Transit, were basing there cost on Cost of delivery + Market perception Markup.(i.e what that market will sustain). There is a very interesting thing going on Market Perception markup is becoming closer to 0 & Cost of deliver is also having a very interesting effect due to increase in demand. If you look at cost of routers to handle large amount of ip traffic you will see that they are very very expensive (going up) however if you look at the cost of switches and optics being used for L2 transport, this is going down and down... This is the reason why, when one goes to ask for IP transit pricing from some of the carrier, they come back with a hefty price tag.. (cause you are paying for them to upgrade their hardware and pipes) If you ask them for l2 transport, then the quotes can be very reasonable. if they have upgraded that section of their network... otherwise you will again be paying for their upgrades. Now if you are able to latch-on to someone who has recently upgraded their route/section to a 100g transport, then getting pricing for 10g transport gets quoted out at a very different level. pickup IP BW at a major datacenter is becoming less and less expensive, simply because these folks have already invested money in their large routing platform so every sale is pretty much an incremental sale, with the $ dropping to the bottom line (after sales & marketing expenses). I am talking about competitive carriers and not the likes of ATT... :) Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:52:00 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > Here is a repeat of my prediction/forecast/prophecy: > > BW cost will do what long distance rates did. > > Remember the word asymptote from math class? > Or limits in calculus. The trend is toward zero. > It will be just the port charge you will pay in the not too distant future. > > - and for some - the future is now... > > -Original Message- > From: Seth Mattinen > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:48 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> I've got a port better than that. ;-) >> > > > I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status > quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me > pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll > pass. It's been a long time coming. > > ~Seth
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At least for Akamai and I believe Netflix as well the more eyeballs going to the caches, the more diverse the content available on the cache. The more networks using a cache, the more likely the content you want is on the cache. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:35:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig It’s cheaper for me to have ours on-net rather than on the IX. Also more redundant. I have our netflix cluster spread between two separate on-net facilities, so I don’t need a costly protected path to the IX. On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters. On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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It’s cheaper for me to have ours on-net rather than on the IX. Also more redundant. I have our netflix cluster spread between two separate on-net facilities, so I don’t need a costly protected path to the IX. > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:25 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than > each having their own. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and > Akamai clusters. > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net > <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: > > I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. > > https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829> > > It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball > networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? > > From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of > the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a > VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the > major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a > UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several > connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across > UTOPIA. > > Roger > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on > the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 > 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [A
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On 9/11/16 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: BW cost will do what long distance rates did. I don't think I've ever personally paid for long distance. ~Seth
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Which doesn't make sense. Put one on the IX and everyone benefits more than each having their own. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:23:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters. On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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I know three of the eyeball networks there already have their own Netflix and Akamai clusters. > On Sep 11, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. > > https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 <https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829> > > It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball > networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? > > From: Roger Timmerman <mailto:timmer...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of > the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a > VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the > major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a > UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several > connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across > UTOPIA. > > Roger > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on > the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 > 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, > going beyond 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says > there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/> > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/> > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>
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I'm surprised SLIX doesn't have Akamai. https://www.peeringdb.com/ix/829 It doesn't surprise me that Netflix isn't there. There isn't a lot of eyeball networks. Then again, maybe I don't appreciate the scale of those networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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On 9/11/16 7:06 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: -.- Well if you want DFZ prefixes to go with it, that's extra.
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So ideally you would want to interconnect at your shop? From: Roger Timmerman Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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-.- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 9:00:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On 9/11/16 6:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Where? I'd like some. ;-) I've got switch with 10G ports on a workbench you can plug in to for free. I guarantee the port will have 10G of bandwidth available on it at all times. ~Seth
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SLIX started with Xmission and UTOPIA Fiber. They (Xmission) kept track of the peering relationships and provided the IP subnet, UTOPIA Fiber provided a VPLS across its network so that anyone could connect to it at any of the major data centers in Utah or even at their place of business if it had a UTOPIA Fiber connection. It has definitely grown over the years, and several connect to it outside of UTOPIA, but I think most of it still rides across UTOPIA. Roger On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get > on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, > 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond > 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet > says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ > > >
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On 9/11/16 6:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Where? I'd like some. ;-) I've got switch with 10G ports on a workbench you can plug in to for free. I guarantee the port will have 10G of bandwidth available on it at all times. ~Seth
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Where? I'd like some. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 8:52:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G connection. FREE. Transport is the real problem... LOL Travis On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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I can get completely FREE bandwidth in Chicago. $0 for up to a 10G connection. FREE. Transport is the real problem... LOL Travis On 9/11/2016 5:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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Ah, Seth, I didn't realize this was yours. I wish you /the best/ of luck! On 09/11/2016 04:14 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 9/11/16 3:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote: Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ 2 years now. =) The hardest part is education and outreach on why peering is good. ~Seth !DSPAM:2,57d5e54a100332028212402!
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I wish them luck with the Reno/Tahoe IX. I started one over a decade ago - well, it was no-settlement peering, not really an IX - and no one was interested. They were all too busy being competitors rather than cooperators. On 09/11/2016 03:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote: On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/
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They have been for almost a year and last I knew, it wasn't ready yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Seth Mattinen" <se...@rollernet.us> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:06:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On 9/11/16 5:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: > You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone? > Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance? > It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again. Last I talked to them they said they are redesigning the program. ~Seth
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For the IX. There was well more than enough. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:05:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone? Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance? It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again. On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I met MS's justification, but they couldn't meet mine, at least not yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" < c...@infowest.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify sending me one. On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: ... (if I tell, she might not kiss me again) From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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On 9/11/16 5:05 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote: You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone? Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance? It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again. Last I talked to them they said they are redesigning the program. ~Seth
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You have 1Gbps minimum of MS traffic alone? Or have they lowered their minimum requirements for deploying an appliance? It’s been a year or so.. maybe I need to hit them up again. > On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I met MS's justification, but they couldn't meet mine, at least not yet. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? > That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. > They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. > Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify > sending me one. > > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > ... > (if I tell, she might not kiss me again) > > From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? > > On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on > the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 > 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, > going beyond 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says > there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/> > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/> > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/>
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We have a netflix caching server and it does help a ton. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify sending me one. On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: ... (if I tell, she might not kiss me again) From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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I met MS's justification, but they couldn't meet mine, at least not yet. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:50:15 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify sending me one. On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: ... (if I tell, she might not kiss me again) From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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Here is a repeat of my prediction/forecast/prophecy: BW cost will do what long distance rates did. Remember the word asymptote from math class? Or limits in calculus. The trend is toward zero. It will be just the port charge you will pay in the not too distant future. - and for some - the future is now... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've got a port better than that. ;-) I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll pass. It's been a long time coming. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Is this killer price only to SLC or can you get it to San Jose/LA? That’s where you’ll probably want to be.. or get some Netflix/Google caches. They help me save a ton on transport/upstreams. Microsoft has caches too, but I’m not at the level “yet” for them to justify sending me one. > On Sep 11, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > ... > (if I tell, she might not kiss me again) > > From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? > > On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >> I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. >> >> From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig >> >> The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can >> pick them up at Delong. >> SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. >> Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get >> on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. >> I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) >> >>> On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Are these things physically located in a single data center? >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, >>> 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>> Upstream, going beyond 1 gig >>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> Like to get an IX in SLC. >>> >>> Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet >>> says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/> >>> >>> Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - >>> http://tahoeix.org/ <http://tahoeix.org/> >>> >>> -- >>> Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. >>> Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning >>> for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses >>> http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ <http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/> >>> >> >>
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On 9/11/16 4:43 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I've got a port better than that. ;-) I'm ecstatic to see cents per Mbps pricing considering what the status quo where I am likes to charge. The cable co wouldn't even give me pricing on a 10G unless I'd pre-commit to 5 years - thanks but I'll pass. It's been a long time coming. ~Seth
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I've got a port better than that. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 6:33:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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... (if I tell, she might not kiss me again) From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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Seth from TahoeIX is on here. We've got an IX now and hope to have three or four more by the end of the year. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ivan Kohler" <ivan-af...@freeside.biz> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:38:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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Are you paying less than 0.20/Mbps on a 10G port? On Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. > > *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can > pick them up at Delong. > SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. > Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get > on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. > I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, > 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond > 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet > says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ > > >
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I seriously doubt you can beat the price I pay. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 5:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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On 9/11/16 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Are these things physically located in a single data center? That's how they all start. SIX started as two people with a switch in a closet. Now it's more. ~Seth
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On 9/11/16 3:38 PM, Ivan Kohler wrote: Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ 2 years now. =) The hardest part is education and outreach on why peering is good. ~Seth
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The SIX extension Xmission/DCIP run. Not sure where they’re at, but I can pick them up at Delong. SLIX we connect to at Delong St.. but I know others interconnect elsewhere. Honestly, it’s not too expensive to get a 10G to San Jose from SLC and get on the Equinix IX there… or even LA. I got plenty of capacity I can sell ya if you’re interested? :) > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Are these things physically located in a single data center? > > -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 > 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: >> Like to get an IX in SLC. > > Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says > there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ > > Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - > http://tahoeix.org/ > > -- > Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. > Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning > for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses > http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/ >
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Are these things physically located in a single data center? -Original Message- From: Ivan Kohler Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
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On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 09:07:20PM +, Chuck McCown wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. Given SLC's size I'd expect there's already an IX. Indeed, the internet says there's SLIX - http://slix.net/ Recently I was surprised to find there a new IX here in Reno/Tahoe - http://tahoeix.org/ -- Ivan Kohler, President and Head Geek, Freeside Internet Services, Inc. Open-source billing, ticketing and provisioning for ISPs, VoIP providers and online businesses http://www.freeside.biz/freeside/
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Looking for the free bandwidth spoken of from Netflix and Google. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig There’s an IX in SLC already, http://slix.net/. We peer on it. No Netflix though. There is a SIX extension in SLC though. On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: O really... On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Like to get an IX in SLC. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same speed ? Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp sessions? I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when it's lighting the same glass?
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
There’s an IX in SLC already, http://slix.net/ <http://slix.net/>. We peer on it. No Netflix though. There is a SIX extension in SLC though. > On Sep 11, 2016, at 4:11 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > O really... > > > On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > From: Cassidy B. Larson <mailto:c...@infowest.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's > cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from > Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once > you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive > upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your > area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com > <mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: > >> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how >> have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through >> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both >> to the same speed ? >> >> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g >> bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes >> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple >> bgp sessions? >> >> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface >> when it's lighting the same glass? >>
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
O really... On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Like to get an IX in SLC. > > *From:* Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > > Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's > cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from > Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus > once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an > inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big > pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how > have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through > this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them > both to the same speed ? > > Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with > 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes > since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple > bgp sessions? > > I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface > when it's lighting the same glass? > >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Ouch On Sep 11, 2016 4:07 PM, "Erich Kaiser"wrote: > We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the > last second ( 2 days before install). > > > Erich Kaiser > The Fusion Network > er...@gotfusion.net > Office: 630-621-4804 > Cell: 630-777-9291 > > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > >> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, >> how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through >> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them >> both to the same speed ? >> >> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with >> 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes >> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple >> bgp sessions? >> >> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface >> when it's lighting the same glass? >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the last second ( 2 days before install). Erich Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, TJ Troutwrote: > I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how > have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through > this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them > both to the same speed ? > > Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with > 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes > since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple > bgp sessions? > > I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface > when it's lighting the same glass? >
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Like to get an IX in SLC. From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same speed ? Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp sessions? I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when it's lighting the same glass?
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Do you have a connection to the closest internet exchange? Usually it's cheaper to get a 10G pipe to the exchange and pick up free bandwidth from Netflix/Google/Akamai/etc rather then upgrade your upstream pipes. Plus once you're at the IX with a router/switch you could easily pick up an inexpensive upstream carrier there rather than paying for multiple big pipes back to your area. This is what we do. Saves a lot. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2016, at 14:46, TJ Troutwrote: > > I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how > have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? > Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the > same speed ? > > Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g > bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes > since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp > sessions? > > I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface > when it's lighting the same glass?
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
The reality is you need to upgrade to 10g ports.. the rest is just a tap dance on managing it (from all perspectives) until then, It all depends on the cost of upgrading to 10g... There is no such thing as standard pricing... Hit me off list and I may be able to offer additional more specific advice. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "TJ Trout"> To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 4:46:05 PM > Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig > I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how > have > you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do > you > upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same > speed ? > Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g > bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since > to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp > sessions? > I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when > it's lighting the same glass?
Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig
Do you have the option of a third provider? From: TJ Trout Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them both to the same speed ? Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple bgp sessions? I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface when it's lighting the same glass?