BUS: [proposal] Generic welcome package fix
I submit the following proposal (I'll figure out how to get it pended
later):
Title: Generic welcome package fix
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason
Coauthors:
{
Amend Rule 2499 by deleting the sentence beginning "A player CANNOT" and
by replacing the final paragraph with the following:
{
When a player receives a Welcome Package, if e has not received one in
the past 30 days, then e earns 10 coins and one of each type of Card
defined in the rules.
}
[This makes protects against all possible infinite welcome package scams
that involve one person receiving infinite welcome packages. With this
change, a person can get infinite welcome packages, but only the first
one in each 30 day period will actually grant any rewards (which likely
makes most scams not worth the hassle).]
}
--
Jason Cobb
Re: BUS: Registration
On 2020-07-20 9:46 p.m., Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: I hereby register as a player. I hereby change my name to G. Welcome to Agora. Are you a robot? -- Falsifian
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Contract-Specific Contracts
I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via signature) to be Trigon: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044216.html I point the finger at Greg, for violating No Faking by claiming (via signature) to be Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-July/044227.html There is a clear implication of identity when using a signature. This is a direct lie in at least 1 of these situations (from immediate evidence, likely both). Further, each instance shows a clear intent to mislead Agora as to this person's identity. On Discord, after the first message above, Trigon got asked if e was running a fake but forgot to change eir signature. So this misleading announcement was pernicious enough to result in direct accusations of criminal behavior on a (most likely?) innocent person. -G.
Re: BUS: [Proposal] Contract-Specific Contracts
I submit the following proposal, "Agoran Bit-streaming", AI-2:
{
[ACT]
Amend the rule "Holidays" by deleting "Agoran Week" from
the list of the Week-long Events.
[S]
Amend the rule "Contracts", except to include "Agoran Contracts",
then by appending the following
{
Amend the rule "Contracts" by appending the following
{
Amend the rule "Fee-based Actions" by inserting the following
{
Amend the rule "Fee-based Actions" by replacing all instances
of "Agoran" with "Agoran Contracts".
{
Amend the rule "Fee-based Actions" by replacing all instances
of "Agoran" with "Agoran Contracts".
}
}
}
}
}
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@arbitor Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration
CFJ:after greg registered, there was one more player than there was before. On Tue., 21 Jul. 2020, 8:55 am Jason Cobb via agora-discussion, < agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/20/20 6:49 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > 3. Giving benefit of the doubt, I'll assume that this is an innocent > > person who wants to be known by eir first initial and didn't know G. was > > in use. So, welcome to Agora, G(reg)! I award G(reg) a Welcome Package. > > > E did also sign eir message with "Trigon"... > > -- > Jason Cobb > >
Re: BUS: Registration
On 7/20/2020 3:27 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote: > Its not me or any person i knlw of either. I propose referring to this > player as greg due to the existing player G. Comments: 1. Ain't me. 2. It's clearly a different nickname, giving the punctuation. I am G. and e is G. To be clearer, E is G and I am G.. 3. Giving benefit of the doubt, I'll assume that this is an innocent person who wants to be known by eir first initial and didn't know G. was in use. So, welcome to Agora, G(reg)! I award G(reg) a Welcome Package. 4. Assuming you're a new arrival, we generally honor a person's chosen nickname, but choosing a nickname isn't an official part of the rules, so if it's really confusing (e.g. overlap with a previous nickname) we'd probably find some consensus on a practical way to distinguish it, or suggest alternatives (I don't think Greg is taken, for example!) Best and welcome, the OG G.
Re: BUS: Registration
Its not me or any person i knlw of either. I propose referring to this player as greg due to the existing player G. On Tue., 21 Jul. 2020, 8:12 am ATMunn via agora-business, < agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/20/2020 6:06 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: > > On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 18:01 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > >> On 7/20/20 5:50 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > >>> On 7/20/20 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > I hereby register as a player. > > I hereby change my name to G. > > >>> > >>> I point my finger at the player who sent the above message for > >>> knowingly making an INEFFECTIVE attempt to register. > >> > >> Oh, and I affirm that this isn't me (because I feel like some people > >> will be suspicious given my recent anonymous shenanigans). > > > > It isn't me either. (If it were, the message would have caused me to > > register, so this message would be Faking.) Registering anonymously is > > the sort of thing I might do, but trying to cause confusion with an > > existing player isn't. > > > > For what it's worth, I suspect it's a new player rather than someone > > who's previously been active on the lists, but this is just a guess and > > might well be wrong. > > > > I'll jump on the "it's not me because this is a public message and it > would violate No Faking if proven false" train. > > For clarity: it's not me because this is a public message and it would > violate No Faking if proven false. > > -- > ATMunn > friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :) >
Re: BUS: [Bertrand Russell] Re: [Power-5]
On 7/20/20 6:12 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal to the now-vacant office of > Speaker: > > Amend Rule 2124 by replacing " I win the game." with "I > win the game." > Just in case this somehow counts as a petition, I respond with the following: "No." -- Jason Cobb
BUS: [Bertrand Russell] Re: [Power-5]
I submit the following proposal to the now-vacant office of Speaker: Amend Rule 2124 by replacing " I win the game." with "I win the game." -- Thomas
Re: BUS: Registration
On 7/20/2020 6:06 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote: On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 18:01 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: On 7/20/20 5:50 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 7/20/20 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: I hereby register as a player. I hereby change my name to G. I point my finger at the player who sent the above message for knowingly making an INEFFECTIVE attempt to register. Oh, and I affirm that this isn't me (because I feel like some people will be suspicious given my recent anonymous shenanigans). It isn't me either. (If it were, the message would have caused me to register, so this message would be Faking.) Registering anonymously is the sort of thing I might do, but trying to cause confusion with an existing player isn't. For what it's worth, I suspect it's a new player rather than someone who's previously been active on the lists, but this is just a guess and might well be wrong. I'll jump on the "it's not me because this is a public message and it would violate No Faking if proven false" train. For clarity: it's not me because this is a public message and it would violate No Faking if proven false. -- ATMunn friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)
Re: BUS: Registration
On Mon, 2020-07-20 at 18:01 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote: > On 7/20/20 5:50 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > On 7/20/20 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > > > I hereby register as a player. > > > > > > I hereby change my name to G. > > > > > > > I point my finger at the player who sent the above message for > > knowingly making an INEFFECTIVE attempt to register. > > Oh, and I affirm that this isn't me (because I feel like some people > will be suspicious given my recent anonymous shenanigans). It isn't me either. (If it were, the message would have caused me to register, so this message would be Faking.) Registering anonymously is the sort of thing I might do, but trying to cause confusion with an existing player isn't. For what it's worth, I suspect it's a new player rather than someone who's previously been active on the lists, but this is just a guess and might well be wrong. -- ais523
Re: BUS: Registration
On 7/20/20 5:50 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 7/20/20 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: >> I hereby register as a player. >> >> I hereby change my name to G. >> > I point my finger at the player who sent the above message for knowingly > making an INEFFECTIVE attempt to register. > Oh, and I affirm that this isn't me (because I feel like some people will be suspicious given my recent anonymous shenanigans). -- Jason Cobb
Re: BUS: Registration
On 2020-07-20 15:46, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: I hereby register as a player. I hereby change my name to G. Sending this to a-b so that No Faking applies. I did not send this message. -- Trigon I LOVE SPAGHETTI transfer Jason one coin nch was here I hereby don't... trust... the dragon... don't... trust... the dragon... Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
Re: BUS: Registration
On 7/20/20 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote: > I hereby register as a player. > > I hereby change my name to G. > I point my finger at the player who sent the above message for knowingly making an INEFFECTIVE attempt to register. -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Registration
I hereby register as a player. I hereby change my name to G. -- Trigon
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8477
On 7/19/2020 4:48 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > --- > 8477e^ Jason1.0 More officer cards I vote FOR on behalf of myself, and also on behalf of twg. -G.
BUS: [Proposal][@Notary] Competitive Finger Pointing v2
I withdraw Competitive Finger Pointing. I forgot that the rules don't
really support Class 0 Crimes. Here's a version that adds a new thing
for them: warnings. If someone committed a Class 0 Crime, e can be given
a Warning.
I pledge to, until the end of this calendar month, either pend or
withdraw all proposals I submit within 48 hours of submitting them.
I submit the following proposal:
{
Title: Competitive Finger Pointing v2
AI: 1.7
Author: nix
Coauthors: Aris, PSS, ATMunn
Amend R2478, "Vigilante Justice" by adding to the beginning of the
list:
- Issuing a Warning to the perp, as described elsewhere;
and by adding after the list items:
Initiating a Finger Pointing found to be Shenanigans is ILLEGAL
and the Class 0+N Crime of Unjustified Gesticulation, where N is
the number of times e has previously committed the crime in the
current Agoran Week.
and by adding, to the very end of the rule:
The player who initiated the most Finger Pointings that resulted
in a Warning, Indictment, or Cold Hand of Justice in the previous
Agoran Week CAN once grant emself a Justice Card by announcement.
Amend R2557 "Sentencing Guidelines" by adding to the end:
When the rules authorize an investigator to issue a Warning for a
violation, e CAN do so by announcement if the violation is
described by the rules as a "Class N Crime" where N is 0 or an
expression that evaluates to 0.
[There is no ruleset support for class 0 crimes right now. So this
version adds support by introducing a new thing the investigator can do
called a Warning.]
}
--
nix
Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8477
ID Author(s)AITitle --- 8477e^ Jason1.0 More officer cards I vote AGAINST. I think my fellow officers are getting enough cards for the time being. -- Falsifian
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8477
I vote FOR Proposal 8477.
On 7/19/2020 7:48 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote:
PROMOTOR'S REPORT AS OF RIGHT NOW
I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating a referendum on it,
and removing it from the proposal pool. For this decision, the vote collector
is the Assessor, the quorum is 8, the voting method is AI-majority, and the
valid options are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are
conditional votes).
ID Author(s)AITitle
---
8477e^ Jason1.0 More officer cards
The proposal pool contains the following proposals:
Author(s)AITitle
---
Murphy, R. Lee 3.0 Simpler ribbon switches
Murphy, CB 3.0 Clarify asset ownership
Legend: * : Democratic proposal.
# : Ordinary proposal, unset chamber.
e : Economy ministry proposal.
f : Efficiency ministry proposal.
j : Justice ministry proposal.
l : Legislation ministry proposal.
p : Participation ministry proposal.
^ : Sponsored proposal.
The full text of the aforementioned proposal(s) is included below. Where
the information shown below differs from the information shown above,
the information shown above shall control.
//
ID: 8477
Title: More officer cards
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Jason
Co-authors:
Amend Rule 2624 (Card Administration) by replacing the final paragraph
(including the list) with the following:
{
The officeholder of an office CAN by announcement grant another player a
specified type of card, specifying that office, under the following
conditions:
* e has not done so in reference to that office in the current Agoran month,
* that office's interests includes the card's associated ministry,
* the player receiving the card does not hold an office with the card's
associated ministry in its interests, and
* the player receiving the card is not a zombie.
}
//
Title: Simpler ribbon switches
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Murphy
Co-authors: R. Lee
Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing this text:
Ribbon Ownership is a secured person switch, tracked by the
Tailor in eir monthly report, whose values are the subsets of
the set of types of Ribbon, defaulting to the empty set. If the
rules are amended to change the types of Ribbon, if a player's
Ribbon Ownership is subsequently illegal, then it is updated by
removing all nonexistent types rather than resetting the entire
value to default.
To "award a person a " is to add that type of Ribbon
to that person's Ribbon Ownership. A person "owns a "
if that type of Ribbon is an element of eir Ribbon Ownership.
with this text:
For each type of Ribbon, Ribbon Ownership is a secured
negative boolean person switch, tracked by the Tailor in eir
monthly report.
To "award a person a " is to flip that person's
Ribbon Ownership to True. A person "owns a " if eir Ribbon Ownership is True.
and by replacing this text:
While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person can Raise a
Banner by announcement. This causes that person to win the game.
That person's Ribbon Ownership becomes the empty set.
with this text:
While a person owns all types of Ribbon, that person can Raise a
Banner by announcement. This causes that person to win the game.
When a person wins this way, for each type of Ribbon, that
person's Ribbon Ownership is flipped to False.
For each type of Ribbon, for each person whose Ribbon Ownership prior to
the adoption of this proposal included that type, flip eir
Ribbon Ownership to True.
//
Title: Clarify asset ownership
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Murphy
Co-authors: CuddleBeam
Amend Rule 2576 (Ownership) to read:
Each asset has exactly one owner.
If ownership of an asset is restricted to a class of entities,
then that asset CANNOT be gained by or transferred to an entity
outside that class. By default, ownership of an asset is
restricted to Agora, players, and contracts, but an asset's
backing document may modify this.
If an asset's owner would otherwise be nonexistent, indeterminate,
or invalid, then it is owned by the Lost and Found Department (if
possible) or destroyed (otherwise), subject to modification by its
backing document. Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the Lost
and Found Department can own assets of every type. Assets owned by
the Lost and Found Department can be transferred or destroyed by
any player without objection.
//
--
ATMunn
fri
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8477
On 7/19/20 7:48 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8477e^ Jason1.0 More officer cards I vote FOR. -- Jason Cobb
BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8477
On 7/19/20 6:48 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > ID Author(s)AITitle > --- > 8477e^ Jason1.0 More officer cards FOR -- nix Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate
Re: BUS: [proposal] (another) talismans fix [attn. Promotor]
On 7/20/20 11:36 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> I submit the following proposal and petition the Promotor to attempt to
> pend it with 2 support:
>
> Title: another talismans fix
>
> Adoption index: 3.0
>
> Author: Jason
>
> Coauthors: nch
>
>
> {
>
> Amend Rule 2574 by replacing the list item beginning "If a player
> possesses more than one" with the following:
>
> {
>
> - If a player possess more than one talisman for persons other than
> emself, specify and transfer one of those talismans to Agora;
>
> }
>
> }
>
I withdraw the above proposal.
I submit the following proposal:
Title: another talismans fix
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason
Coauthors: nch, G.
{
Amend Rule 2574 by replacing the list item beginning "If a player
possesses more than one" with the following:
{
- If a player possess more than one talisman for persons other than
emself, specify and transfer one of those talismans to Agora;
}
For each ongoing auction in which a lot is a talisman that no longer
belongs to Agora: withdraw all bids in it, terminate it, destroy it, and
revoke all obligations and authorizations associated with it.
}
--
Jason Cobb
BUS: [Proposal] Competitive Finger Pointing
I submit the following proposal, and I pledge to either pend or withdraw
it within the next 48 hours:
{
Title: Competitive Finger Pointing
AI: 1.7
Author: nix
Coauthors: Aris, PSS, ATMunn
Amend R2478, "Vigilante Justice" by adding after the list items:
Initiating a Finger Pointing found to be Shenanigans is the class
0+N crime of Unjustified Gesticulation, where N is the number
of times e has previously committed the crime in the current Agoran
Week.
and by adding, to the very end of the rule:
The player who initiated the most Finger Pointings that resulted
in an Indictment or Cold Hand of Justice in the previous Agoran
Week CAN once grant emself a Justice Card by announcement.
[This is more or less functionally the same as a previous version. The
main notable difference is that I replaced "previous 7 days" with Agoran
Weeks. I just think this is easier to figure out without requiring
someone to track it. ]
}
--
nix
Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate
BUS: [proposal] (another) talismans fix [attn. Promotor]
I submit the following proposal and petition the Promotor to attempt to
pend it with 2 support:
Title: another talismans fix
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Jason
Coauthors: nch
{
Amend Rule 2574 by replacing the list item beginning "If a player
possesses more than one" with the following:
{
- If a player possess more than one talisman for persons other than
emself, specify and transfer one of those talismans to Agora;
}
}
--
Jason Cobb
BUS: Talisman Revocation
As G. has more than one talisman: * I intend with notice to transfer G's talisman from G. to Agora. * I intend with notice to transfer twg's talisman from G. to Agora. -- nix Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate
BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [dicelog] Dice Rolls For Content of Barrels
I did send it to agora official, maybe I misspelled it. Anyway I pledge that the dicelog was the first one I made and not manipulated On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:33 AM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 7/20/20 9:25 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote: > > It's worth noting that I never got the actual dicelog email, only your > > reply to it. > > It also didn't show up in the archives. Not a big deal here because the > dicelog message R. Lee quoted has a verification code attached, but > maybe something for the distributor to look at. > > -- > nix > Prime Minister, Webmastor, Platonic Pirate > > -- >From R. Lee
