Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8837-8848

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I vote AGAINST proposal 8841. I think not every social norm needs to be in
the rules and frankly it limits our ability to evolve new norms.

On Sun, 28 Aug 2022, 10:22 Kerim Aydin via agora-business, <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> I vote:
>
> On 8/20/2022 10:12 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:
> > 8838~   Murphy  1.0   Kickstarter
> PRESENT
>
> > 8839*   4st 3.0   Not so hard decision
> AGAINST
>
> > 8840*   Jason   3.0   Cleanliness security
> FOR
>
> > 8841*   Jason, Aspen, Gaelan3.0   Spivak Standardization Act v2
> AGAINST.  I was very much in favor of this and think it should be
> standard, but just now realized that encoding this  may "unofficially"
> sanction English as a preferred language, when it isn't currently.  Not
> sure if this is a problem per se, but I think it merits a little more
> discussion on that basis?
>
> > 8842~   Pilgore . . . [1]   2.0   Losing Focus
> FOR
>
> > 8843*   G., Jason, Murphy   4.0   Time B Safe
> FOR
>
> > 8844~   4st, Jason  2.0   Fix dreams
> PRESENT
>
> > 8845~   secretsnail 1.0   Onicers
> FOR
>
> > 8846~   secretsnail 1.0   The Cheepening
> PRESENT
>
> > 8847~   secretsnail, 4st2.0   Bird Powerup
> PRESENT
>
> > 8848~   4st 1.0   Goals
> FOR
>
>  -G.
>
>

Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer t-poses

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I object to the apathy intent

On Tue, 15 Mar 2022, 9:33 am Madrid via agora-business, <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> i vote FOR all pending proposals
>
> i support all currently pending intents
>
> i intend to declare apathy, specifying myself
>

Re: BUS: registration of duck

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

Duck isn't me either

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022, 4:46 am Mark Wieland via agora-business, <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I affirm, under penalty of No Faking, that this is not me.
>
> > On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Skull cat via agora-business <
> agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > I register. please call me duck
>
> --
> secretsnail

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: DEVICE AUCTION

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:16 PM Jason Cobb via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 2/9/22 01:15, Trigon via agora-business wrote:
> > El 09/02/2022 a las 06:13, Trigon escribió:
> >> El 09/02/2022 a las 06:12, Trigon via agora-official escribió:
> >>> I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, being authorized by Rule
> >>> 2654, do hereby initiate a Device Auction.
> >>>
> >>> The first lot is the device, as defined by 2655.
> >>>
> >>> The currency for this auction shall be the coin.
> >>>
> >>> The procedure for this auction shall be a Forward Auction, as
> >>> described by the Treasuror's Auction Regulations, which can be found
> >>> in the ACORN at the following link:
> >>>
> >>> <
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-November/015509.html>
>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> This message contains no game actions; I just wanted to give the thread
> >> a more fitting title.
> >>
> > I bid 5 coins.
> >
>
> I bid 100 coins.
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
>
>
I bid 300 coins
-- 
>From R. Lee

BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Arbitor] CFJ 3939 assiged to R. Lee

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I find this CFJ TRUE.

Rule 2665 reads as follows
' c) Select exactly one noun from the selected text, and replace

  each instance of that noun with "Device" (including grammatical
  variations, e.g. replacing "'s" with "Device's").'

This rule requires the Keeper of the Device to replace all instances
of a certain noun. The explanatory parenthetical notes that variations
of that noun must also be replaced. However the text outside the
explanatory/definitional parenthetical makes clear that only nouns can
be replaced and nowhere gives the power to replace adjectives or
verbs. Generally speaking, explanations or definitions don't
completely expand and replace the main text of the Rule. \

This interpretation is also supported by the best interests of the
game. The word 'device' has a clear plural form but it doesn't really
have a verb form. 'Devise' and 'device' are not listed as grammatical
forms of the same word in any dictionary. Furthermore, the adjectival
form of device is listed in some but not all online dictionaries as
being 'deviceful'.

Therefore the procedure at issue here which didn't change the word
'decided' succeeded. CFJ 3939 is TRUE.


On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 5:00 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> I temporarily deputise for the Arbitor to assign the below CFJ #3939 and
> assign it to R. Lee.
>
> CFJ Statement:  My attempt to cause rule 2655 to amend the rule "The
> Device" above succeeded.
>
> Called by: ais523
> Called on: 31 Dec 2021 03:06:46 +
> Assigned to: R. Lee (as of this message)
>
> Arguments and evidence in context below.
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Message-ID: <7f1491b065640f215724cb1e5c85f5b280367971.ca...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: BUS: (CFJ, @Rulekeepor) Re: OFF: [Mad Engineer] Intent to Invent
> To: agora-business@agoranomic.org
> Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 03:06:46 +
> From: ais523 via agora-business 
>
> On Sun, 2021-12-26 at 20:11 +, ais523 via agora-official wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-12-26 at 20:09 +, ais523 via agora-official wrote:
> > > The Device is on.
> > >
> > > I intend, with Agoran Consent, to cause rule 2655 to amend the rule
> > > "The Device" by appending the following as a list item to the "When the
> > > device is on:" list:
> > > {{{
> > > >   An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran Device by publishing a
> > > >   notice satisfying the following conditions:
> > > >
> > > >   1. The ballot is submitted during the voting period for the
> > > >  Device.
> > > >
> > > >   2. The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the
> > > >  initiation of the Device, a player.
> > > >
> > > >   3. The ballot clearly identifies the matter to be devised.
> > > >
> > > >   4. The ballot clearly identifies a valid vote, as determined by
> > > >  the voting method.
> > > >
> > > >   5. The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place
> > > >  the identified vote.
> > > >
> > > >   6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same Device.
> > > }}}
> > > [I realised just in time that I forgot to do this this week – luckily
> > > I'm still within the deadline. Going with Jason's suggestion. I'd
> > > normally add this sort of thing to the "off" list, but the text
> > > mentions "the initiation of the Device" which probably only makes sense
> > > while the Device is on.]
> > >
> > > Incidentally, I believe the "grammatical variations" rule requires me
> > > to replace "decided" with "devised", so I've done so above, but someone
> > > might want to CFJ on that. Just to be on the safe side with respect to
> > > SHALLs, I *also* intend, with Agoran Consent, to do the same thing
> > > except with "decided" rather than "devised".
> >
> > And just in case my formatting mistake above causes problems later: I
> > intend the same things, but without the email quotation markup between
> > the {{{ and }}} marks (as arguably that's being quoted too).
>
> With Agoran Consent, I do so (using the intent where the text does not
> contain quote marks and with "decided"). Falsifian and Jason supported;
> there were no objections. Disclaimer: this may fail if the correct
> wording is "devised" rather than "decided"; see the CFJ below.
>
> I believe I'm not required to resolve the intents that contain a
> formatting mistake, even though they have the required support, because
> the text is incorrect and thus I neither CAN nor SHALL resolve them –
> the procedure for creating those intents was not followed correctly.
>
> The intent without the formatting mistake, but with "devised", does not
> currently have Agoran Consent.
>
> CFJ: My attempt to cause rule 2655 to amend the rule "The Device" above
> succeeded.
>
> Evidence: This message, including the messages quoted within it.
>
> Arguments: Rule 2655(c) requires me to replace each instance of a
> chosen noun with "Device", "(including grammatical variations, e.g.
> replacing "'s" with 

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 421

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

COE : jumble is active not inactive

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 11:25 AM Trigon via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> 
>   FORBES FOUR HUNDRED TWENTY-ONE
>    or   
> TREASUROR'S WEEKLY REPORT
> 
>
> Reports available online at: 
>
> DATES OF PUBLICATION  (contains no data)
> 
>
> (all times and dates in UTC)
>
> Date of previous original report:  10 September 2021
> Date of first report this week:23 September 2021
>
>
> NOTES ON REPORT   (contains no data)
> 
>
> * This week's report is later than I anticipated. Sincerest apologies.
> * Find my report drafts on Discord or IRC.
> * As always, please check the general accuracy of this report.
>
>
> BUOYANCY (self-ratifies)
> 
>
> Total Buoyancy:64546
> Buoyancy Target:   75708
> Unit of Flotation: 26.
>
>
> ASSET BALANCES   (self-ratifies)
> 
>
> Player(+a)  cn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv
>   ==  ==                
>   ais[0]1053 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0
>   Aspen 7766 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0
>   ATMunn5607 0 0 0 0 3 2 4 2
>   banana [1] 768 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
>   Cuddlebeam2121 0 0 0 0 3 2 2 4
>   D. Wet1297 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
>   Falsifian  480 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
>   G.9439 1 1 0 1 0 0 5 0
>   Gaelan3072 1 1 2 1 0 0 0 0
>   Jason 7729 0 0 0 0 3 3 6 2
>   Murphy7415 1 1 1 2 0 0 0 0
>   nix   1567 0 0 0 0 4 3 1 2
>   omd   1509 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
>   Pat670 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
>   Telna 3322 1 2 0 1 0 0 1 0
>   Trigon   11400 2 1 1 1 1 0 0 0
>
> 0. ais523
> 1. cuddlybanana
>
> Player(-a)  cn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv
>   ==  ==                
>   Jumble 478 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   Nathan1001 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   seventeen  [0]1112 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
>   surprise   810 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> 0. seventeenMachine
>
>Contract(00) cn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv
>   ==  ==                
>   CB Locker  [0]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   D. Corp.   [1]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   DragonQE   [2]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   IBTWWBG[3]  50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   PlunderPS  [4] 109 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   Pooling[5]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   SEAMSTRESS [6]   0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> 0. Cuddlebeam's Locker
> 1. Dragon Corporation
> 2. Dragon Quickexchange
> 3. I Bet This Was Written By G.
> 4. Plunder Partnership
> 5. Obstructive Pooling
> 6. Signature Enthusiast Allows Modification of Signature Through
> Rigorous Exchanging of Signature Suggestions
>
>Contract(25) cn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv
>   ==  ==                
>   Press  [0]1087 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
> 0. Agoran Press
>
>   Entitycn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv
>   ==  ==                
>   Agora0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>   L Dept. 6786 1 2 1 1 0 0 0 0
>
>
> ASSET INDEX   (does not 

BUS: @treasuror @stinemason wieldibg

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I wield the concentration stone, giving me another legislative card.

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: CFJ 3924 Assigned to Cuddlebeam

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I too support

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 10:33 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> On 8/9/2021 4:45 AM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> > On Mon, 2021-08-09 at 13:31 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business
> > wrote:
> >>  Your attempt to simultaneously Flip, failed; because: CFJ 2086 (called
> 15
> >> Jul 2008): Message-based actions are always taken in some order, never
> >> precisely simultaneously, possibly unless otherwise stated.
> >>
> >> I Judge FALSE.
> >
> > I intend, with 2 support, to group-file a Motion to Reconsider this;
> > the statements that this makes about the judgement of CFJ 2086 are not
> > correct.
> >
> > CFJ 2086 found that game custom was that, if there are no other cues
> > about timing within the message, multiple actions taken in the same
> > message happen in the order in which they are written; and that the
> > rules are silent on the issue, so game custom is used as a rule 217
> > tiebreak. (It didn't mention the other rule 217 tests, but I think
> > those also point towards an "actions happen in sequence unless
> > otherwise stated" viewpoint; in addition to being game custom, this is
> > clearly in the best interests of the game, and is also supported by
> > common sense.)
> >
> > In this case, though, there are other cues about timing in the message
> > (it explicitly states it's trying to do two things simultaneously), so
> > the precedent of CFJ 2086 doesn't apply (both because it explicitly
> > stated it doesn't apply in this case, and because the reasoning that it
> > used doesn't hold up in the situation where the message outright says
> > otherwise).
> >
>
> I support.
>
> In addition to ais523's arguments, Rule 478/23 (in effect at the time of
> CFJ 2086), didn't contain the "unless otherwise stated" sentence.  That
> legislatively-inserted text (by P6785, adopted August 2011) is a key point
> in the caller's arguments for the current cfj. That text makes CFJ 2086
> out-of-date since the rule is no longer silent and the text of the rule
> now applies. Evidence:
>
> From Assessor's voting report (Aug 22 14:57:56 UTC 2010):
>
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2010-August/008019.html
> }{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{
>
> Proposal 6785 (Purple, AI=3.0, Interest=0) by coppro
>
> Attorney Adjustment
>
> Amend Rule 478 (Fora) by replacing
>A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent
>to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to
>be public.  A person "publishes" or "announces" something by
>sending a public message.
>
>Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed "by
>announcement", a person performs that action by unambiguously
>and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
>it.  Any action performed by sending a message is performed at
>the time date-stamped on that message.
> with
>A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent
>to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to
>be public.  A rule can also designate that a part of one public
>message is considered a public message in its own right. A person
>"publishes" or "announces" something by sending a public message,.
>
>Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed "by
>announcement", a person performs that action by unambiguously
>and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs
>it.  Any action performed by sending a message is performed at
>the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages
>(including sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in
>the message, unless otherwise specified.
>
>
> }{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{
>
>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Registrar] Weekly Report

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 3:24 PM Ned Strange via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I deputise for Registrar (office is vacant) & publish the below weekly
> report
>
> 
>  The Agoran Directory
> 
>
>
> Date of last report: 2021-07-04
> Date of this report: 2021-08-09
> (all times UTC)
>
> Archive of reports on the web: https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/
>
>
> Recent events
> =
> 16-Mar-21 23:17  cuddlybanana registers.
> 16-Mar-21 23:42  Aenet registers.
> 21-Mar-21 03:06  Jumble registers.
> 10-Apr-21 19:00  Aspen deactivates lucidiot with notice.
> 10-Apr-21 19:00  Aspen deactivates JTAC with notice.
> 10-Apr-21 19:00  Aspen deactivates Ubercrow with notice.
> 10-Apr-21 19:00  Aspen deactivates Noah with notice.
> 10-Apr-21 19:00  Aspen deactivates Slam_Joe_Jr_Supreme with notice.
> 17-Apr-21 05:18  seventeenMachine registers.
> 01-May-21 07:16  Nathan activates emself.
> 01-May-21 22:43  Aspen deregisters grok without 3 objections.
> 01-May-21 22:43  Aspen deregisters Shy Owl without 3 objections.
> 08-Jun-21 15:45  ais523 registers.
> 08-Jun-21 07:41  Aspen deactivates Aenet.
> 08-Jun-21 07:41  Aspen deactivates Jumble.
> 14-Jun-21 07:09  Telna registers.
> 20-Jun-21 02:17  surprise registers.
> 01-Jul-21 08:27  Aspen deregisters lucidiot.
> 01-Jul-21 08:27  Aspen deregisters JTAC.
> 01-Jul-21 08:27  Aspen deregisters Noah.
> 03-Jul-21 02:20  Mask registers.
> 06-Jul-21 04:20  Mask becomes inactive by announcement
> (time of last report)
> 27-Jul-21 14:29  D. Wet registers
>
> Players, activity, and registration dates
> =
>
> The following information from this section is self-ratifying:
> - The value of each instance of the Citizenship switch (implied by the
>   list of players).
> - The value of each instance of the Activity switch.
>
> There are 23 Players. The below is a list of all players.
>
> Player   Registered  Activity  Last Changed  Notes
> --   --      -
> omd  03 Feb 11   Active03 Feb 21
> Aspen13 Sep 16   Active03 Feb 21
> Gaelan   15 May 17   Active03 Feb 21
> G.   25 Aug 17   Active03 Feb 21
> Cuddlebeam   25 Aug 17   Active03 Feb 21
> Trigon   24 Sep 17   Active03 Feb 21
> Murphy   17 Dec 17   Active03 Feb 21
> ATMunn   11 Mar 18   Active03 Feb 21
> Falsifian13 Feb 19   Active03 Feb 21
> Jason02 Jun 19   Active03 Feb 21
> nix  18 Oct 19   Active03 Feb 21
> R. Lee   30 Jun 20   Active03 Feb 21
> Nathan   19 Aug 20   Active01 May 21
> cuddlybanana 16 Mar 21   Active16 Mar 21
> seventeenMachine 17 Apr 21   Active17 Apr 21 seventeen for
> short
> ais523   08 Jun 21   Active08 Jun 21
> Telna14 Jun 21   Active14 Jun 21
> surprise 20 Jun 21   Active20 Jun 21
> D. Wet   27 Jul 21   Active27 Jul 21
> Mask 03 Jul 21   Inactive  06 Jul 21
> Ubercrow 11 Jan 21   Inactive  10 Apr 21
> Slam_Joe_Jr_Supreme  19 Jan 21   Inactive  10 Apr 21 Joe for short
> Aenet16 Mar 21   Inactive  10 Jun 21
> Jumble   21 Mar 21   Inactive  10 Jun 21
>
>
> Contact information
> ===
>
> (Required by rule 2139.)
>
> Player   Contact
> --   ---
> omd  comexk at gmail.com [0]
> Aspenthoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com
> Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com
> G.   kerim at uw.edu
> Cuddlebeam   cuddlebeam at gmail.com
> Trigon   reuben.staley at gmail.com
> Murphy   murphy.agora at gmail.com
> ATMunn   iamingodsarmy at gmail.com
> Falsifianagora at falsifian.org
> Jasonjason.e.cobb at gmail.com
> nix  nixnull+agora at protonmail.co <
> http://protonmail.com/>
> m
> R. Lee   edwardostrange at gmail.com
> Nathan   nathans.agora.email at gmail.com
> Ubercrow unicationsmith2009 at gmail.com
> Slam_Joe_Jr_Supreme  arran.soule at gmail.com
> cuddlybanana rose.strong42 at gmail.com
> Aenetaidananthony14 at gmail.com
> Jumble   notajumbleofnumbers at gmail.com
> seventeenMa

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 429

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

>* (ASSUMPTION) The attempt to grant Falsifian a Victory Card in
   exchange for 1717cn succeeded.

COE this didn't happen (sorry, to avoid self-ratification)


-- 
>From R. Lee

BUS: [@Ministor] Focus

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I change my focus to justice (yes, my plan is absolutely to accumulate
justice cards so that I can summarily punish rule violators using the
Unofficial Injustice rule)

-- 
>From R. Lee

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Elections

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I become a candidate for ministor.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 8:40 AM Edward Murphy via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I initiate elections for Herald, Ministor, and Webmastor (all vacant).
>

BUS: Ribbon

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I award myself a platinum ribbon as speaker

BUS: Petition to the PM

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I petition the PM to appoint me speaker.

I intend with notice to deputise for PM to answer this petition and to
appoint myself speaker.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] decimation

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

Ah, I see the buoyancy issue. You wouldn't have time to flip the switch. I
retract the proposal decimation times 9. It should flip the switch itself
and also it should restart any auctions.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 2:15 PM Ned Strange  wrote:

> It is timed at the end of the month (as it says) as it says which avoids
> the bouyancy problem, and likely the auction problem.
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 2:13 PM Trigon via agora-discussion <
> agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2021 03:44, Ned Strange via agora-business wrote:
>> > There are too many coins. let's delete some. This will do nothing but u
>> > know aesthetics.
>> >
>> > I create and pend the following proposal by using a pendant
>> >
>> > Title: decimation times 9
>> > Ai 1
>> > Text
>> > Create a power 1 rule called "temporary inflation reduction" with the
>> text
>> > "At the end of the month this rule was adopted, each entity's coin
>> balance
>> > is divided by 10, rounded to the nearest whole number. This rule then
>> > automatically repeals itself."
>> >
>>
>> This neglects the buoyancy variables. They'll still be at their normal
>> values until the start of the next month. If this passes, this will be
>> the equivalent of 220 current coins per boatload. That will destabilize
>> everything.
>>
>> Furthermore, if there are any auctions going on when this passes, we
>> will all have bid far over what we intended. There isn't really an easy
>> way to counteract that if there are no special cases, other than to all
>> agree to bid using new values and potentially screw someone over who
>> isn't in on the plan. I'd prefer to give auction bids a special case if
>> we want to pass this.
>>
>> Also, I remember back when we were hashing out this system, we mentioned
>> including special cases for specific contracts whose values are
>> contingent on exact values in coins. Perhaps we should also discuss that
>> before this goes up for vote.
>>
>> --
>> Trigon
>>
>>   ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST
>>
>> I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
>> I LOVE SPAGHETTI
>> transfer Jason one coin
>> nch was here
>> I hereby
>> don't... trust... the dragon...
>> don't... trust... the dragon...
>> Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
>>
>

BUS: [proposal] decimation

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

There are too many coins. let's delete some. This will do nothing but u
know aesthetics.

I create and pend the following proposal by using a pendant

Title: decimation times 9
Ai 1
Text
Create a power 1 rule called "temporary inflation reduction" with the text
"At the end of the month this rule was adopted, each entity's coin balance
is divided by 10, rounded to the nearest whole number. This rule then
automatically repeals itself."

BUS: Re: [Deputy Herald] Champion

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I resign the office of herald (not intending to scam the tournament)

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, 11:10 AM Ned Strange  wrote:

> Having won the game by paradox this day, I deputise for the vacant office
> of herald and hereby proclaim that I have earned the patent title champion.
> I award it to myself.
>

BUS: I transcend logic

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I transcend logic winning by paradox.

Cfj 3828 is about the legality possibility or effectiveness of a change to
the game state (it was about the effectiveness of me getting 1 coin ). It
has been assigned paradoxical for 7 days.

BUS: Re: Lets See what happens [Proposal]

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I pend it using a pendant

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 5:05 PM Ned Strange  wrote:

> I create and pend the following proposal
> Text:
> [this proposal does nothing]
>
> --
> From R. Lee
>


-- 
>From R. Lee

BUS: Lets See what happens [Proposal]

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I create and pend the following proposal
Text:
[this proposal does nothing]

-- 
>From R. Lee

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] August Stone Auction

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I bid 800 on both

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 7:25 AM ATMunn via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 8/2/2021 17:02, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> > On 8/2/21 4:58 PM, Ned Strange via agora-business wrote:
> >> I bid 500 on both stones
> >
> >
> > I bid 510 on both.
> >
>
> I bid 600 coins on the Soul Stone.
>
> --
> ATMunn
> friendly neighborhood notary :)
>

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] August Stone Auction

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I bid 500 on both stones

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 6:24 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
> On 8/2/2021 1:20 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> > On 8/2/21 4:17 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> >> On 8/2/2021 1:14 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> >>> On 8/2/21 4:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>  Pursuant to Rule 2642, I initiate a stone auction with the following
>  lots: [Power Stone], [Soul Stone].
> >
> > I bid 325 on the Soul Stone.
> >
>
> I bid 401 on the Soul Stone.  -G.
>
>

Re: BUS: [@Treasuror] Self-grant

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

Me too

On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 5:21 AM ais523 via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I grant myself a Legislative Card.
>
> --
> ais523
>
>

BUS: @Treasuror @Stonemason

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I wield the concentration stone getting a legislative card

I combine my four legislative cards into 10 pendants (new total: 11)

-- 
>From R. Lee

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] Second Victory Auction of July 2021

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I bid 1500

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 12:30 PM Trigon via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 27/07/2021 14:29, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 12:56:16AM +, Trigon via agora-business
> wrote:
> >> On 23/07/2021 00:53, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 04:12:45PM +1000, Ned Strange via
> agora-business wrote:
> >>>> I bid 500 coins on victory and 1 coin on justice
> >>> I bid 700 Coins on the Victory Card.
> >>
> >> I bid 800 coins on the Victory Card and 50 coins on the Justice Card.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Trigon
> >
> > I bid  coins on the Victory Card.
> >
>
> I bid 1200 on it.
>
> --
> Trigon
>
>   ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST
>
> I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
> I LOVE SPAGHETTI
> transfer Jason one coin
> nch was here
> I hereby
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
>

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Rewards for Proposal 8595

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I also grant myself a red glitter (power 3 proposal)

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 1:03 PM Ned Strange via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I grant myself another legislative card. I now have 3
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 12:59 PM Jason Cobb via agora-official <
> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
> > For the adoption of Proposal 8595, I grant R. Lee 4-1=3 boatloads of
> coins.
> >
> > --
> > Jason Cobb
> >
> > Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason
> >
> >
>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Rewards for Proposal 8595

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I grant myself another legislative card. I now have 3

On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 12:59 PM Jason Cobb via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> For the adoption of Proposal 8595, I grant R. Lee 4-1=3 boatloads of coins.
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>
> Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason
>
>

Re: BUS: [Promise] Protection for Concentration

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I transfer 250 coins to trigon and cash this promise, protecting my
concentration stone
On Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 7:03 AM Trigon via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> I grant the following promise to R. Lee:
>
> =
>
> Cashing conditions: the bearer has transferred Trigon 250 coins in the
> same message as e cashes this promise.
>
> Trigon wields the Protection Stone specifying the Concentration Stone.
>
> =
>
> --
> Trigon
>
>   ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST
>
> I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
> I LOVE SPAGHETTI
> transfer Jason one coin
> nch was here
> I hereby
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
>

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] Second Victory Auction of July 2021

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I bid 500 coins on victory and 1 coin on justice

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 3:40 PM Trigon via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On 21/07/2021 05:37, Trigon via agora-official wrote:
> > I, Trigon, the Treasuror of Agora Nomic, being authorized by Rule 2629/0
> > and furthermore being required to do so at least once a month, do hereby
> > initiate a Victory Auction.
> >
> > The first lot is a new Victory Card.
> >
> > The second lot is the Justice Card owned by the Lost and Found
> Department.
> >
> > The currency for this auction shall be the coin.
> >
> > The procedure for this auction shall be a Selective-Bid Auction, as
> > described by the Treasuror's Auction Regulations, which can be found in
> > the ACORN at the following link:
> >
> > <
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-June/015061.html>
>
> >
> >
>
> I bid 400 coins on the Victory Card.
>
> --
> Trigon
>
>   ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST
>
> I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
> I LOVE SPAGHETTI
> transfer Jason one coin
> nch was here
> I hereby
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> don't... trust... the dragon...
> Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this
>

BUS: @Treasuror re: OFF: [Stonemason] July Stone Auction Resolution

[Ned Strange via agora-business]

I wield the concentration stone (gaining a legislative card)

On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 7:55 AM Jason Cobb via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> The July Stone auction has ended. It began at 16:07:51 on 2021-07-06 and
> the retrieval period started at 02:06:51 on 2021-07-15, four days after
> the final bid by R. Lee.
>
> There were three lots: [Sabotage Stone], [Concentration Stone],
> [Protection Stone].
>
> This auction was a selective-bid auction. The awardees are as follows:
>
> [Sabotage Stone]  -> Jason  for 130 coins
> [Concentration Stone] -> R. Lee for 620 coins
> [Protection Stone]-> Trigon for 200 coins
>
> I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed:
> {
> I destroy 130 of Jason's coins and cause the Sabotage Stone to be
> transferred to em.
> }
>
> I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed:
> {
> I destroy 620 of R. Lee's coins and cause the Concentration Stone to be
> transferred to em.
> }
>
> I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed:
> {
> I destroy 200 of Trigon's coins and cause the Protection Stone to be
> transferred to em.
> }
>
> Bid history:
>
> Date PlayerPreferred Lot  Amount (coins)
> ---    -  --
> 2021-07-06 16:10:13  Jason Sabotage   10
> 2021-07-06 16:10:13  Jason Concentration  10
> 2021-07-06 16:10:13  Jason Protection 10
> 2021-07-06 23:57:47  R. LeeConcentration 300
> 2021-07-07 00:46:37  Jason Concentration 301
> 2021-07-07 01:26:37  TrigonConcentration 400
> 2021-07-07 01:26:37  TrigonSabotage   20
> 2021-07-07 01:26:37  TrigonProtection 20
> 2021-07-07 01:38:33  R. LeeConcentration 400
> 2021-07-07 02:37:36  Jason Sabotage   30
> 2021-07-07 02:37:36  Jason Protection 30
> 2021-07-07 02:48:10  G.Protection 75
> 2021-07-07 02:59:54  Jason Protection 90
> 2021-07-08 01:12:14  Falsifian Sabotage   50
> 2021-07-08 14:39:55  G.Protection103
> 2021-07-08 15:24:19  Jason Protection105
> 2021-07-08 15:24:19  Jason Sabotage   60
> 2021-07-09 21:42:28  G.Protection110
> 2021-07-11 01:35:21  Jason Protection130
> 2021-07-12 01:39:53  TrigonProtection200
> 2021-07-12 01:39:53  TrigonConcentration 500
> 2021-07-12 01:53:55  R. LeeConcentration 550
> 2021-07-12 02:00:55  TrigonConcentration 600
> 2021-07-12 02:06:51  R. LeeConcentration 620
>
>

BUS: Testo Testerino

[Ned Strange]

Test

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8054-8057

[Ned Strange]

I vote FOR each listed proposal

On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 4:04 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I vote as follows:
>
>> ID Author(s)  AI   Title Pender
>> ---
>> 8053*  G., Aris   1.0  patch patch patch G. [1]
> FOR
>> 8054+  Aris, [2]  3.0  Minimalist Contracts v2   Aris
> FOR
>> 8055+  Aris, G.   3.0  Distributed Assets v3 Aris
> FOR
>> 8056+  Aris, G.   3.0  Deregulation Act v2   Aris
> FOR
>> 8057*  Corona 1.0  No quorum, no medal   Corona [1]
> FOR
>
> -Aris



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: DIS: [Promotor] Draft

[Ned Strange]

Oh I'm very sorry, yes. I missed that it was a draft. I retract my
proposal in the proposal pool

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> It's a draft, so I can do whatever I want. I'm simply requesting that you
> withdraw it, given that my proposal, which contains a fixed version of
> yours and lists you as a coauthor, will probably pass, and yours has
> several bugs in it, as previously mentioned, which would prevent it from
> ever passing. Formatting it would be pointless work, so I am requesting
> that you withdraw it, as a matter of courtesy. If you don't then I'll
> format it when I make this a real report.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 1:00 AM Ned Strange 
> wrote:
>
>> youre obligated to make a weekly proposal pool report, simply saying
>> that it contains a proposal you wish would be withdrawn doesn't count
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 5:35 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>> > Here's a draft. I have a bad feeling that I'm missing something, but
>> > there's been a ton of traffic and I'm rather busy, so hopefully
>> > someone can point it out. Also, a warning: I'll be out of state next
>> > week, and, while I can hopefully still devote some time to the game,
>> > will be commenting at a reduced rate and will likely be unable to
>> > publish a report.
>> >
>> > -Aris
>> > ---
>> >
>> > I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
>> > Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
>> > pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
>> > quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
>> > are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
>> > votes).
>> >
>> > ID Author(s)  AI   Title Pender
>> >
>> ---
>> > 8053*  G., Aris   1.0  patch patch patch G. [1]
>> > 8054+  Aris, [2]  3.0  Minimalist Contracts v2   Aris
>> > 8055+  Aris, G.   3.0  Distributed Assets v3 Aris
>> > 8056+  Aris, G.   3.0  Deregulation Act v2   Aris
>> >
>> > The Proposal Pool contains a proposal which V.J. Rada will hopefully
>> > withdraw soon, and no other proposals.
>> >
>> > [1] Ruberstamped official proposal
>> > [2] G., V.J. Rada
>> >
>> > Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>> > + : By publishing this report, I pay a paper to pend
>> > the marked proposal.
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8053
>> > Title: patch patch patch
>> > Adoption index: 1.0
>> > Author: G.
>> > Co-authors: Aris
>> >
>> >
>> > Amend the rule defining welcome packages by adding as a new item,
>> > appropriately numbered, at the end of the list "5 incense".
>> >
>> > Create 5 incense in the possession of each player who received a
>> > welcome package since April 28, 2018.
>> >
>> > //
>> > ID: 8054
>> > Title: Minimalist Contracts v2
>> > Adoption index: 3.0
>> > Author: Aris
>> > Co-authors: G., V.J. Rada
>> >
>> >
>> > Lines beginning with hashmarks ("#") and comments in square brackets
>> ("[]")
>> > have no effect on the behavior of this proposal. They are not part of
>> any rules
>> > created or amended herein, and may be considered for all game purposes to
>> > have been removed before its resolution.
>> >
>> > [This proposal saves allowing contracts to control or auction assets
>> until we
>> > decide to allow them to be persons, which is its own can of worms.]
>> >
>> > # 1 Repeal
>> >
>> > Destroy all contracts.
>> >
>> > Repeal rules 2524, 2526, 2520, 2525, 2522, 2523, 2521, 2527, and 2517, in
>> > that order.
>> >
>> > In rule 2545 "Auctions", delete the text "or contract"
>> >
>> > In rule 2547 "The Auctioneer", delete the text "or contracts",
>> > change the last comma in the last sentence of the second paragraph
>> > to a period, deleting the all parts of the sentence beyond it, and delete
>> > the last paragraph.
>> >
>> > In rule 2548 &qu

Re: BUS: [Cartographor] Land auctions for June week 4

[Ned Strange]

I bid 5 coins in each auction

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Reuben Staley  wrote:
> There are currently more public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
> existence than I care to count. 5 land units of my choice are put up for
> auction.
>
> For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer,
> and the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as such:
>
> AUCTION 1: the land unit at (-2, -1)
> AUCTION 2: the land unit at ( 0, -3)
> AUCTION 3: the land unit at (-4,  0)
> AUCTION 4: the land unit at (-5,  0)
> AUCTION 5: the land unit at (-6,  0)
>
> --
> Trigon



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie Auction (now under new rules!)

[Ned Strange]

I withdraw my previous bids and bid 2 coins

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Reuben Staley  wrote:
> Ttttpf
>
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 18:08 Reuben Staley  wrote:
>
>> I bid 1 coin
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 18:05 Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
>>
>> > I withdraw my previous bid and instead bid 1 coin.
>> >
>> > -twg
>> >
>> >
>> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> >
>> > On June 21, 2018 12:03 AM, Ned Strange  wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I bid 15 coins
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I bid 14 coins in the ongoing zombie auction.
>> > > >
>> > > > -twg
>> > > >
>> > > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> > > >
>> > > > On June 20, 2018 11:06 PM, Ned Strange edwardostra...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I bid 9 coins.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Kerim Aydin
>> ke...@u.washington.edu
>> > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > I initiate a zombie auction with the following lots. The ITEMS in
>> > each
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > lot is to have that player's master switch set to the auction
>> > winner.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The AUCTIONEER is Agora. The ANNOUNCER is myself (as Registrar).
>> > The
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > MINIMUM BID/CURRENCY is 1 Coin. The auction ends 7 days after
>> this
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > announcement, or 96 hours after the last bid change (whichever
>> > comes
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > first).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > -   LOTS (from highest to lowest winning bid):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kenyon, Ouri, o, Quazie
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Note CURRENT ZOMBIE MASTERS AND ZOMBIES CANNOT BID (much less
>> > competition!)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I've ordered the zombie lots based on the following excerpt from
>> > the
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > most-recent Treasuror's Report. It is not in any way guaranteed
>> to
>> > be
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > current (nor do I purport that it is a portion of a
>> > currently-accurate
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > report).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > +-++++---+++++++
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > |Entity |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs|
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > +-++++---+++++++
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > |Kenyon | 14| 37| 4| 6| 20| 3| 45| 9| 0| 11|
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > |Ouri | 0| 10| 0| 0| 0| 0| 24| 4| 0| 11|
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > |o | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > |Quazie | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > >
>> > > > > From V.J. Rada
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > From V.J. Rada
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie Auction (now under new rules!)

[Ned Strange]

I bid 15 coins

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> I bid 14 coins in the ongoing zombie auction.
>
> -twg
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On June 20, 2018 11:06 PM, Ned Strange  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I bid 9 coins.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:
>>
>> > I initiate a zombie auction with the following lots. The ITEMS in each
>> >
>> > lot is to have that player's master switch set to the auction winner.
>> >
>> > The AUCTIONEER is Agora. The ANNOUNCER is myself (as Registrar). The
>> >
>> > MINIMUM BID/CURRENCY is 1 Coin. The auction ends 7 days after this
>> >
>> > announcement, or 96 hours after the last bid change (whichever comes
>> >
>> > first).
>> >
>> > -   LOTS (from highest to lowest winning bid):
>> >
>> > Kenyon, Ouri, o, Quazie
>> >
>> >
>> > Note CURRENT ZOMBIE MASTERS AND ZOMBIES CANNOT BID (much less competition!)
>> >
>> > I've ordered the zombie lots based on the following excerpt from the
>> >
>> > most-recent Treasuror's Report. It is not in any way guaranteed to be
>> >
>> > current (nor do I purport that it is a portion of a currently-accurate
>> >
>> > report).
>> >
>> > > +-++++---+++++++
>> > >
>> > > |Entity |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs|
>> > >
>> > > +-++++---+++++++
>> > >
>> > > |Kenyon | 14| 37| 4| 6| 20| 3| 45| 9| 0| 11|
>> > >
>> > > |Ouri | 0| 10| 0| 0| 0| 0| 24| 4| 0| 11|
>> > >
>> > > |o | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
>> > >
>> > > |Quazie | 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0|
>>
>> --
>>
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: [Registrar] Zombie Auction (now under new rules!)

[Ned Strange]

I bid 9 coins.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I initiate a zombie auction with the following lots. The ITEMS in each
> lot is to have that player's master switch set to the auction winner.
> The AUCTIONEER is Agora. The ANNOUNCER is myself (as Registrar).  The
> MINIMUM BID/CURRENCY is 1 Coin.  The auction ends 7 days after this
> announcement, or 96 hours after the last bid change (whichever comes
> first).
>
> * LOTS (from highest to lowest winning bid):
>   Kenyon, Ouri, o, Quazie
>
>
> Note CURRENT ZOMBIE MASTERS AND ZOMBIES CANNOT BID (much less competition!)
>
> I've ordered the zombie lots based on the following excerpt from the
> most-recent Treasuror's Report. It is not in any way guaranteed to be
> current (nor do I purport that it is a portion of a currently-accurate
> report).
>
>> +-++++---+++++++
>> |Entity   |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs|
>> +-++++---+++++++
>> |Kenyon   |  14|  37|   4|  6|  20|   3|  45|   9|   0|  11|
>> |Ouri |   0|  10|   0|  0|   0|   0|  24|   4|   0|  11|
>> |o|   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> |Quazie   |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>
>
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: CFJ 3640 Judgement

[Ned Strange]

This is a judgement of CFJ 3640, the statement of which is "FAILED
QUORUM was awarded a Medal of Honor". In May 2018, an Agoran Decision
validly began to select either Aris or ATMunn as receiving a Medal of
Honor. The Decision did not reach quorum.

The language used in the Medal of Honor rule says that the outcome of
the Agoran Decision will be awarded a Medal of Honor. The outcome of
that Decision was unambiguously FAILED QUORUM. Therefore, the rule
unambiguously required a medal to be awarded to FAILED QUORUM.

However that's not the end of things. Medals of Honor are assets, in
fact currencies, which have restricted ownership. The rule Assets
operates at a higher power than Medals of Honor and bans assets being
owned by anything other than players, contracts and Agora. Therefore,
the Herald COULD NOT award a medal of honour here. However, the Herald
was _still_ obligated by the SHALL to do so. This is a rare example of
a SHALL and a CAN in contradiction.

FAILED QUORUM has no Medal of Honour, this CFJ is FALSE.

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Election update

[Ned Strange]

I vote [Rada, Aris, Corona] for the referee election and for twg in
the treasuror election

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:31 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I vote [Corona, Aris, V.J. Rada] in the referee election and [twg] in the
> Teasuror election.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM Corona  wrote:
>
>> I vote {Corona, V.J. Rada, Aris} in the Referee election and I vote {twg,
>> Corona, ATMunn} in the Treasuror election.
>>
>> I act on behalf of 天火狐 to cast the same votes in these two elections.
>>
>> ~Corona
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:
>>
>> > I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Referee
>> > election. The vote collector is the ADoP (me), the valid options are
>> > Aris and Corona and V.J. Rada and anyone else who becomes a candidate
>> > before voting ends, and the voting method is instant runoff. And I
>> > think quorum is 4 (due to 6 players voting on Proposal 8052).
>> >
>> > Rulekeepor election ends with no candidates.
>> >
>> > I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the Treasuror
>> > election. The vote collector is the ADoP, the valid options are
>> > ATMunn and Corona and twg and anyone else who becomes a candidate
>> > before voting ends, and the voting method is instant runoff. And I
>> > think quorum is 4.
>> >
>> >
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Cleanup Proposal Pledges

[Ned Strange]

I retract the above proposal.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Ned Strange  wrote:
> I create and pend with paper the following proposal
> Name: Pledges-b-gone
> AI: 1.7
> Text: Destroy all pledges made on or before 10 May 2018.
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Cleanup Proposal Pledges

[Ned Strange]

I create and pend with paper the following proposal
Name: Pledges-b-gone
AI: 1.7
Text: Destroy all pledges made on or before 10 May 2018.
-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Pledge handoff to Notary

[Ned Strange]

Without objection I intend to retract each pledge I own.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> The below pledge list from the June 3 Referee Report self-ratified prior
> to Proposal 8050 taking effect.  The pledge dates (date tracking now
> required by the Notary) don't self-ratify, but I did go back and confirm.
> Searching for 'pledge' in public archives back to March revealed no other
> recent pledges.  Pledges older than 60 days no longer require tracking.
>
> =the Referee, whose next report will be shorter=
>
>
> PLEDGES (self-ratifying list of assets)
>
> == Trigon - Created 01 Jun 2018 07:35:31
> I pledge to use as much integrity as is possible whenever I generate
> random numbers.
>
>
> == Corona - Created 27 May 2018 17:29:28
> I pledge to do all of the following in Blognomic's current dynasty:
>
> -always ahoy
> Gams
>
> -call hunts most of the time
> -not change derrick’s or Cuddlebeam’s position if they perform their duties
> adequately (scrubbing, joining hunts if healthy…)
> -scrub the decks whenever I
> am online and can do so
>
> -generally work toward the preservation of the ship and the lives of
> sailors, and maximizing profits
>
>
> == G. - Created 10 May 2018 15:39:57
> I pledge that I will not make any bids on behalf of zombies in the May
> 2018 zombie auction.
>
>
> ===(below pledges were created prior to 01 Apr 2018)===
>
> Quazie -
> I pledge to give 1 Shiny to the first person who can,
> correctly, with e-mail citations, explain what I did wrong on
> Jan 20th 2009 that has since led to me being a fugitive. For
> the explanation to be valid for this pledge, it should be fully
> self contained, I should not have to go look up past rules in
> order to understand the explanation (So please, include all
> source info in the explanation).
>
> V.J Rada -
> I pledge not to make any thread titles completely unrelated to
> the email's content, nor use any agency or other mechanism to
> attempt to gain control of any player at the exclusion of all
> other players.
>
> Gaelan (14 Sep 2017) -
> I pledge to, for at least the next month, vote AGAINST any
> proposal that amends rules by providing new text in full unless
> the text of the rule is nearly entirely changed.
>
> nichdel -
> I pledge to vote AGAINST on all proposals created or pended by
> Cuddle Beam.
>
> nichdel -
> I pledge to Object to all intentions by Cuddle Beam that I can
> object to.
>
> nichdel -
> I pledge to give a trust token and 5 shinies (as soon as
> possible) to any other player who also performs the above three
> pledges, except Cuddle Beam.
>
> nichdel -
> I pledge to not refer to 天火狐 as Josh or Josh T.
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
> I too pledge to not refer to 天火狐 as Josh or Josh T.
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
> I...pledge to fix the margins, if the issue is explained to me.
>
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus -
> I pledge to deputize for the rulekeepor on October 19, 2017, if it is
> still possible.
>
> Cuddlebeam -
> I pledge to hook people up in a reasonable amount of time, according
> to the message above, during what's left of the current month and
> November.
> [Referee's note: This pledge refers to the message listed
> athttps://www.mail-archive.com/agora
> business at agoranomic.org/msg30230.html]
>
> V.J. Rada -
> I pledge to give a win and a black ribbon to everyone who votes for
> "hopefully you guys all vote for this" if that passes.
>
> o - (Nov 7, '17)
> I pledge to pay 5 sh. to the first person to publicly identify the
> specific bug I fixed in the Surveyor’s report this week, provided
> their answer includes either the word, some synonym for the word, or
> some observation related to the word, whose sha256 hash is
> e2c2bf1fdea49d1d90f7e17ac158016862f213b42f88b760aee47f697205d83a, and
> that I will disclose the word as part of the reward if it is collected.
>
> o -
> I pledge to distribute the payment in a timely fashion if the CFJ
> finds that CuddleBeam’s payment did, in fact, occur.
> [Referee's note: e's referring to a payment made by Cuddlebeam in
> accordance with the rule "Poetry Duel Challenge Writ", which is the
> subject of a currently unnassigned CFJ. I would appreciate it if you
> guys created pledges with the context included in them.]
>
> Trigon -
> I pledge that if I do not win the election for Rulekeepor, I will put
> myself up as a candidate for this election.
> [Referee's note: E's referring to the Fearmongor election on 6 Nov 2017]
>
> V.J. Rada -
> I pledge to, weekly, if I am Referee, publish a document called
> "Pledges you should withdraw", listing pledges that have already been
> completed or are impossible.
>
> V.J. Rada -
> I pledge not to point any fingers
>
> Alexis -
> I pledge to transfer 5 shinies to the author of the first proposal that
> gives the Rulekeepor authority, under Cleanup Time, to additionally
> correct, at least: missing periods at the end of sentences, inconsistently
> spelled game terminology, and pronoun use 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Got some new toys.

[Ned Strange]

I call a CFJ with the statement "The four below actions are each
extremely silly, and none significantly harm my standing in the game".

None of them are remotely silly. Silly in an Agoran context is a
common-law term of art related to Silly proposals. Even if not, no
ordinary meaning of the word silly encompasses these game actions. And
also, even if losing two apples doesn't harm me, losing 3 stone, two
ore and 2 apples does. The actions must all be evaluated seperately,
so even if the first three actions work, the fourth should not.
Anyway, significantly should be interpreted as "not de minimis", and
any asset loss is more than a minimal effect on my standing in the
game.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:39 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> I become a party to the contract "Sillyness by contract".
>
> I act on behalf of V.J. Rada to perform the following actions: {
>
> Destroy 1 apple to move V.J. Rada to (0, -1).
>
> Destroy 1 apple to move V.J. Rada to (-1, -1).
>
> Transfer all liquid assets from the mine at (-1, -1) to V.J. Rada.
>
> Transfer 3 stone and 2 ore from V.J. Rada to Trigon.
>
> }
>
> This meets the requirement of being extremely silly because it is only 
> necessary due to a minor grammatical error on Trigon's part, and it meets the 
> requirement of not harming V.J. Rada's standing in the game significantly 
> because eir only loss from these actions is 2 apples (which ey already have 
> plenty of) and the right to transfer assets from a preserved facility before 
> next Friday (which ey already have enough assets not to have much need of).
>
> -twg
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On June 12, 2018 10:31 AM, Ned Strange  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> it doesn't, do it again
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 8:25 PM, Reuben Staley reuben.sta...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > Could you guys let me do one thing in this game without pointing out how I
>> >
>> > messed up?
>> >
>> > Okay, okay. Here's a flimsy argument for why this works:
>> >
>> > I could only possibly transfer items to myself from a facility on a land
>> >
>> > unit I'm on. Therefore, "that unit" should mean "the unit I'm on" since
>> >
>> > that's the only option for transferring. Therefore, the attempt succeeds.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 04:13 Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
>> >
>> > > On June 12, 2018 8:25 AM, Reuben Staley reuben.sta...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I destroy a coin to make (-2, -1) black and switch the alternating 
>> > > > type.
>> > > >
>> > > > I transfer the mine on that unit's resources to myself.
>> > >
>> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this fails, because (-2, -1)
>> > >
>> > > doesn't have a mine on it, and wasn't where you were standing anyway. I
>> > >
>> > > think you meant to reference the mine at (-1, -1), but I can't come up 
>> > > with
>> > >
>> > > a parsing where "that unit" refers to anything other than (-2, -1).
>> > >
>> > > -twg
>>
>> --
>>
>> From V.J. Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for June week 3

[Ned Strange]

I bid ten coins on auction four

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:18 PM, Corona  wrote:
> I bid 11 coins in auction 5.
>
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, Ned Strange  wrote:
>
>> I bid ten coins in auction 5
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Corona 
>> wrote:
>> > Oh and I bid 9 coins in auctions 2, 4 and 5 too.
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, Corona  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I bid 11 coins in auction 3 and I bid 9 coins in auction 1.
>> >>
>> >> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I withdraw my bid in auction 3. I bid 8 coins in auction 1.
>> >>>
>> >>> -twg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> >>>
>> >>> On June 12, 2018 7:53 AM, Ned Strange 
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I bid ten coins in auction 3
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > I bid 9 coins in auction 3.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > -twg
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On June 12, 2018 6:24 AM, Corona liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > I bid eight (8) coins in each auction.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > ~Corona
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:28 AM, Ned Strange
>> >>> edwardostra...@gmail.com
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > > > I bid six coins in each auction
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Kerim Aydin
>> >>> ke...@u.washington.edu
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > wrote:
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > I bid 5 coins in each auction.
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > I bid 3 coins in each auction
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin
>> >>> ke...@u.washington.edu
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > I bid 2 coins in each auction. -G.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > There are currently more public, unpreserved,
>> non-aether
>> >>> land units
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > in
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > existence than I feel like counting. 5 land units of my
>> >>> choice are
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > put up for
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > auction.
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > From this point on, I intend to prioritize land units
>> >>> closer to the
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > center
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > island over those on the rim since those are probably
>> >>> more useful.
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora
>> >>> is the
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > auctioneer, and
>> >>> > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as such:
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 1: the land unit at (+3, +1)
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 2: the land unit at (+3, -2)
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 3: the land unit at (+4, -1)
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 4: the land unit at (-2, 0)
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 5: the land unit at (-3, 0)
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > --
>> >>> > > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > > Trigon
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > --
>> >>> > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > From V.J. Rada
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > --
>> >>> > > > >
>> >>> > > > > From V.J. Rada
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> >
>> >>> > From V.J. Rada
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ~Corona
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~Corona
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>
>
> --
> ~Corona



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for June week 3

[Ned Strange]

I bid ten coins in auction 5

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:43 PM, Corona  wrote:
> Oh and I bid 9 coins in auctions 2, 4 and 5 too.
>
> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, Corona  wrote:
>
>> I bid 11 coins in auction 3 and I bid 9 coins in auction 1.
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 12, 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
>>
>>> I withdraw my bid in auction 3. I bid 8 coins in auction 1.
>>>
>>> -twg
>>>
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>>
>>> On June 12, 2018 7:53 AM, Ned Strange  wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I bid ten coins in auction 3
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > I bid 9 coins in auction 3.
>>> > >
>>> > > -twg
>>> > >
>>> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>> > >
>>> > > On June 12, 2018 6:24 AM, Corona liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > I bid eight (8) coins in each auction.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > ~Corona
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:28 AM, Ned Strange
>>> edwardostra...@gmail.com
>>> > > >
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > I bid six coins in each auction
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Kerim Aydin
>>> ke...@u.washington.edu
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > I bid 5 coins in each auction.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > I bid 3 coins in each auction
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin
>>> ke...@u.washington.edu
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > I bid 2 coins in each auction. -G.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > There are currently more public, unpreserved, non-aether
>>> land units
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > in
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > existence than I feel like counting. 5 land units of my
>>> choice are
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > put up for
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > auction.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > From this point on, I intend to prioritize land units
>>> closer to the
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > center
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > island over those on the rim since those are probably
>>> more useful.
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora
>>> is the
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > auctioneer, and
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as such:
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 1: the land unit at (+3, +1)
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 2: the land unit at (+3, -2)
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 3: the land unit at (+4, -1)
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 4: the land unit at (-2, 0)
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > AUCTION 5: the land unit at (-3, 0)
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > > Trigon
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > --
>>> > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > From V.J. Rada
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > --
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > From V.J. Rada
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> ~Corona
>>
>>
>
> --
> ~Corona



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for June week 3

[Ned Strange]

I bid ten coins in auction 3

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 5:46 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> I bid 9 coins in auction 3.
>
> -twg
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On June 12, 2018 6:24 AM, Corona  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I bid eight (8) coins in each auction.
>>
>> ~Corona
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 6:28 AM, Ned Strange edwardostra...@gmail.com
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I bid six coins in each auction
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I bid 5 coins in each auction.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I bid 3 coins in each auction
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu
>> > > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > I bid 2 coins in each auction. -G.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > There are currently more public, unpreserved, non-aether land units
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > in
>> > >
>> > > > > > existence than I feel like counting. 5 land units of my choice are
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > put up for
>> > >
>> > > > > > auction.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > From this point on, I intend to prioritize land units closer to the
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > center
>> > >
>> > > > > > island over those on the rim since those are probably more useful.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > auctioneer, and
>> > >
>> > > > > > the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as such:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > AUCTION 1: the land unit at (+3, +1)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > AUCTION 2: the land unit at (+3, -2)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > AUCTION 3: the land unit at (+4, -1)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > AUCTION 4: the land unit at (-2, 0)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > AUCTION 5: the land unit at (-3, 0)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Trigon
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > > From V.J. Rada
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > From V.J. Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for June week 3

[Ned Strange]

I bid six coins in each auction

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:26 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I bid 5 coins in each auction.
>
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>> I bid 3 coins in each auction
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I bid 2 coins in each auction.  -G.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>> >> There are currently more public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
>> >> existence than I feel like counting. 5 land units of my choice are put up 
>> >> for
>> >> auction.
>> >>
>> >> From this point on, I intend to prioritize land units closer to the center
>> >> island over those on the rim since those are probably more useful.
>> >>
>> >> For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the 
>> >> auctioneer, and
>> >> the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as such:
>> >>
>> >> AUCTION 1: the land unit at (+3, +1)
>> >> AUCTION 2: the land unit at (+3, -2)
>> >> AUCTION 3: the land unit at (+4, -1)
>> >> AUCTION 4: the land unit at (-2,  0)
>> >> AUCTION 5: the land unit at (-3,  0)
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Trigon
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for June week 3

[Ned Strange]

I bid 3 coins in each auction

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I bid 2 coins in each auction.  -G.
>
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>> There are currently more public, unpreserved, non-aether land units in
>> existence than I feel like counting. 5 land units of my choice are put up for
>> auction.
>>
>> From this point on, I intend to prioritize land units closer to the center
>> island over those on the rim since those are probably more useful.
>>
>> For the following 5 auctions, I am the announcer, Agora is the auctioneer, 
>> and
>> the minimum bid is 1 coin, and the lots are as such:
>>
>> AUCTION 1: the land unit at (+3, +1)
>> AUCTION 2: the land unit at (+3, -2)
>> AUCTION 3: the land unit at (+4, -1)
>> AUCTION 4: the land unit at (-2,  0)
>> AUCTION 5: the land unit at (-3,  0)
>>
>> --
>> Trigon
>>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Contract Competition: It's a subgame boiz!!!!!!

[Ned Strange]

Right this is my one attempt to revitalize the institution of Contracts.

I create the following Contract (spending a coin)

Title: Contract Competition Contract
Text:
Anyone may become a Party to this Contract by announcement.
Parties to this Contract SHOULD join, create and interact with a
variety of Contracts over the next 10 days.
V.J. Rada SHALL judge in a timely fashion after the next 10 days which
other party to this contract gave the best contribution to the world
of Contracts recently.
V.J. Rada SHALL give that party 20 coins in the same message as that judgement.
If nobody does anything interesting, parties to this Contract and
non-parties SHOULD vote to repeal Contracts ASAP.
-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

[Ned Strange]

If you have any interesting ideas for Contracts with me that are fun,
I will do them while they still exist.

In fact I create the following Contract (spending a coin)
Title: Sillyness by contract
Text:
This Contract holds Coins.
Anyone may become a party to this Contract, VJ Rada is a party to this Contract.
Anyone may act on behalf of any party to this Contract to perform any
action that is extremely silly and does not harm the party's standing
in the game significantly.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I oppose this, and object. I'm obviously biased, because I wrote the
> relevant system. If your problem with it is that it's over-complicated and
> badly implemented, I'd agree with you. That has a tendency to happen with
> any large game system I write. I get so buried in thinking about everything
> that could happen that I tend to make the system I'm building more
> complicated than it needs to be. It doesn't help, of course, that in Agora
> everything has a large amount of committee work in its design. People have
> a tendency to see even more problems that I didn't see, and fixing
> everything and addressing everyone's concerns always seems to lead to more
> bloat. So someone wants to reform and simplify this system, they have my
> full support and assistance. I can even try to write something up myself,
> if people enumerate the specific problems they have with the system,
> although I'm not sure I'm really the right person for the job.
>
> That all being said, I cannot support a repeal (or at any rate one without
> a replacement). Contracts need to be made simpler and more comfortable so
> that people actually use them. I'd like to know what problems people have
> with the current system, so that can be fixed. However, in deciding whether
> to repeal this, you have to understand my motivation for writing it in the
> first place. Contracts replaced a lot of dedicated systems for doing
> different things. Specifically, they replaced Organizations, which were
> even less usable, and Agencies, which only allowed acting on behalf. At the
> time, there was a serious proposal to allow people to write standalone
> backing documents. Contracts replaced all of that with one consolidated
> flexible system, the purpose of which was basically to allow people to add
> personal extensions to the ruleset. You can really do almost anything with
> them. I thought when I wrote this system that we needed a capability to
> allow people to create things for players without writing them into the
> ruleset, and I still think so today. Now, for some reason that I still have
> trouble understanding (I get that they're over complicated, but that
> doesn't directly make them unusable) people don't seem to do that with them
> much. However, I'm concerned about seeing a proliferation of subsystems
> and/or a lack of flexibility after their repeal. For that reason, I think
> that they should be reformed, not flat out repealed.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:34 PM Ned Strange 
> wrote:
>
>> Will this work? No. But I hate complicated systems that nobody uses.
>> And this one is incomprehensible and not what the game is really about
>> anymore. So I'm making the following point.
>>
>> I create and intend to Rubberstamp in my capcity as Notary without 3
>> objections the following proposal.
>>
>> Title: Getting rid of my own job
>> AI: 3
>> Text: Repeal rules 2524, 2526, 2520, 2525, 2522, 2523, 2521 and 2527.
>> From rule 2166 "Assets", delete the following text
>> "An asset or class of assets is private, rather than public, if its
>> backing document is a contract."
>> and delete the following text
>> "or (d) contract"
>> and delete the following text
>> " A contract's text can specify whether or not that contract is
>>
>>   willing to receive assets or a class of assets. Generally, a
>>   contract CANNOT be given assets it is unwilling to receive. If the
>>   contract is silent on the matter, or if its willingness is
>>   indeterminate or the subject of a inextricable conditional, the
>>   procedure to determine its willingness is as follows:
>>
>> 1. If the contract appears to anticipate being given assets,
>>other than for sustenance (e.g. by authorizing parties to
>>spend the contract's assets), then the contract is willing to
>>receive all assets.
>>
>> 2. Otherwise, it is unwilling to receive all assets.
>>
>>   The previous paragraph (including the list) notwithstanding, a
>>   contract CAN be given 1 unit of Agora’s official currency a month
>>   for its 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

[Ned Strange]

I retract the below proposal "Open Season II"

Go for it guys. But I'm still rubberstamping the repeal, without three
objections.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:22 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> Allow them to be backing documents too and you've got a heavily simplified
> version of the current contracts system. I think a heavily simplified
> version is what we need right now. I'll have a go at it, and then someone
> can edit me to make it less ridiculous.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:19 PM Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm really uncomfortable both citing CFJ#s in the Rules, and saying in
>> the Rules that agreements are interpreted "in the same fashion" as rules
>> because that implies all kinds of things (like they're part of the
>> rules, they can redefine things, how power/precedence works, etc).
>>
>> Here's some simple text I grabbed from the old days, just need to up
>> the Power and add that players can use it for act-on-behalf:
>>
>> Rule 1742/9 (Power=1.5)
>> Contracts
>>
>>Any group of two or more persons may make an agreement among
>>themselves with the intention that it be binding upon them and
>>be governed by the rules.  Such an agreement is known as a
>>contract.  A contract may be modified, including changing the
>>set of parties, by agreement between all parties.  A contract
>>may also terminate by agreement between all parties.  A contract
>>automatically terminates if the number of parties to it falls
>>below two.
>>
>>Parties to a contract governed by the rules SHALL act in
>>accordance with that contract.  This obligation is not impaired
>>by contradiction between the contract and any other contract, or
>>between the contract and the rules.
>>
>>[Add something about requiring explicit consent, and something
>>about explicit act-on-behalfs].
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>> > I retract the below proposal and create _the following_ proposal
>> >
>> > I create the following proposal
>> > Title: Open Season II
>> > AI: 2
>> > Text: Create a new power 2.0 rule named "Common-Law Agreements" with the
>> text
>> > "Persons may act on behalf of other persons who are players in any way
>> > the player unambiguously agrees to. cf CFJs 3474, 2397 and 1719. These
>> > agreements should be interpreted in the same fashion as Rules are
>> > under Rule 217."
>> >
>>
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

[Ned Strange]

I retract the below proposal and create _the following_ proposal

I create the following proposal
Title: Open Season II
AI: 2
Text: Create a new power 2.0 rule named "Common-Law Agreements" with the text
"Persons may act on behalf of other persons who are players in any way
the player unambiguously agrees to. cf CFJs 3474, 2397 and 1719. These
agreements should be interpreted in the same fashion as Rules are
under Rule 217."

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Ned Strange  wrote:
> There is "Allowing a person to act on behalf of another person is
> secured at power 2.0." in the rules. Which my proposed rule doesn't
> affect, actually. So I guess G. was ultimately correct.
>
> I create the following proposal
> Title: Open Season on Acting on Behalf
> AI: 2
> Text: Create a new rule named "Common-Law Agreements" with the text
> "Persons may act on behalf of other persons who are players in any way
> the player unambiguously agrees to. cf CFJs 3474, 2397 and 1719. These
> agreements should be interpreted in the same fashion as Rules are
> under Rule 217."
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> The contracts infrastructure does not forclose such an arraignment. I made
>> a ruling when the Agencies infrastructure was in place to the effect that
>> having an explicit way to do something didn't stop people from doing things
>> an earlier implicit way.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM Ned Strange 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have a CFJ claiming that Powers of Attorney agreements are valid as
>>> a matter of common law. Obviously all the Contracts infrastructure
>>> forecloses such an agreement because of all the specifications in it.
>>> But they would presumably work afterwards. See CFJs 3474 and 2397
>>> (judged by you) and 1719
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>>> >> Will this work? No. But I hate complicated systems that nobody uses.
>>> >> And this one is incomprehensible and not what the game is really about
>>> >> anymore. So I'm making the following point.
>>> >
>>> > I wholly agree with you.  But can we add in a very simple stub that
>>> > says something like "players can make agreements, and the agreements
>>> > can include act-on-behalf" or something equally simple to empower
>>> > that?
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Technically Notary] Rubberstamp Repeal

[Ned Strange]

There is "Allowing a person to act on behalf of another person is
secured at power 2.0." in the rules. Which my proposed rule doesn't
affect, actually. So I guess G. was ultimately correct.

I create the following proposal
Title: Open Season on Acting on Behalf
AI: 2
Text: Create a new rule named "Common-Law Agreements" with the text
"Persons may act on behalf of other persons who are players in any way
the player unambiguously agrees to. cf CFJs 3474, 2397 and 1719. These
agreements should be interpreted in the same fashion as Rules are
under Rule 217."

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> The contracts infrastructure does not forclose such an arraignment. I made
> a ruling when the Agencies infrastructure was in place to the effect that
> having an explicit way to do something didn't stop people from doing things
> an earlier implicit way.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM Ned Strange 
> wrote:
>
>> We have a CFJ claiming that Powers of Attorney agreements are valid as
>> a matter of common law. Obviously all the Contracts infrastructure
>> forecloses such an agreement because of all the specifications in it.
>> But they would presumably work afterwards. See CFJs 3474 and 2397
>> (judged by you) and 1719
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>> >> Will this work? No. But I hate complicated systems that nobody uses.
>> >> And this one is incomprehensible and not what the game is really about
>> >> anymore. So I'm making the following point.
>> >
>> > I wholly agree with you.  But can we add in a very simple stub that
>> > says something like "players can make agreements, and the agreements
>> > can include act-on-behalf" or something equally simple to empower
>> > that?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: [Proposal] Impartial Arbitration Restoration Repeal

[Ned Strange]

Now that all-purpose sweeping Impeachment is a thing, the unused writ of
IAR is now worthless. I create and pend the following proposal (with paper)

Title: IAR Repeal
Author: V.J. Rada
AI: 2.0
Text: Amend rule 2531 "Referee Accountability" by removing the text that
reads "

If the Referee attempts to levy three or more INEFFECTIVE fines in
  a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of
  Impartial Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position
  of Referee vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration
  Restoration is issued, the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the
  Referee within a timely fashion."

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

[Ned Strange]

I become a candidate for Referee

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> =Metareport=
> You can find an up-to-date version of this report at
> http://zenith.homelinux.net/adop/report.php
>
> Date of last report: 2018-06-05
> Date of this report: 2018-06-10
>
>
> MISCELLANEOUS INFO
>
> 
> Filled offices: 15/15 (100.00%)
> Total officers: 7
> Consolidation[1]: 2.14
> Late reports: 3/12 (25.00%)
> 
> [1] This is the number of filled offices divided by the number of
> officers. At 1, this means that all offices are filled by different
> players; if it reached the number of filled offices, that would mean
> that all offices are filled by one player.
>
>
> OFFICES
>
> Office Holder[1]  Since Last Election
> -
> ADoP   Murphy 2018-01-182018-01-18
> ArbitorMurphy 2018-01-282018-01-28
> Assessor   G. 2018-02-062018-02-27
> Cartographor   Trigon 2018-02-24(never)
> Herald Corona 2017-11-302017-11-30
> Notary VJ Rada2018-03-192018-03-19
> Prime Minister G. 2018-02-282018-03-19
> Promotor   Aris   2016-10-212017-09-21
> Referee   *G. 2018-04-08(ongoing)
> Registrar  G. 2018-02-062018-02-27
> Regkeepor  Aris   2017-07-062017-12-25
> Rulekeepor*G. 2018-06-06(ongoing)
> SpeakerTrigon 2018-04-292014-04-21
> Tailor ATMunn 2018-05-092018-05-09
> Treasuror *Corona 2018-05-03(ongoing)
> 
> [1] * = Interim office (vacant or holder not elected)
> [2] Vacant since this date
> [3] Currently imposed
>
>
> WEEKLY REPORTS
>
> Office ReportLast Published Late[1]
> 
> ADoP   Offices   2018-06-05[2]
> ArbitorJudicial matters  2018-06-10
> Cartographor   Land of Arcadia   2018-06-01
> Herald Matters of Honour 2018-05-23 !
> Notary Contracts 2018-05-31
> Promotor   Proposal pool 2018-06-06
> RefereeRule violations   2018-06-03
> Registrar  Players, Fora 2018-06-03
> Regkeepor  ACORN 2018-06-05
> Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2018-04-07 !!!
> Treasuror  Coins, other currencies   2018-06-10
> 
> [1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+
> [2] Not including this report
>
> MONTHLY REPORTS
>
> Office ReportLast Published Late
> 
> Herald Patent titles 2018-06-10
> Registrar  Player history2018-05-31
> Rulekeepor Full Logical Ruleset  2018-06-06
> Tailor Ribbons   2018-02-12 !!!
> 
>
>
> ELECTIONS
>
> Office Initiated   Phase   Candidates
> 
> Referee2018-06-10  Nominating  (none)
> Rulekeepor 2018-06-10  Nominating  (none)
> Treasuror  2018-06-10  Nominating  (none)
> 
>
> UPCOMING ELECTIONS[1]
>
> Office Days Until  Last Election
> 
> Promotor   00 Days 2017-09-21
> Herald 00 Days 2017-11-30
> Regkeepor  00 Days 2017-12-25
> ADoP   00 Days 2018-01-18
> Arbitor00 Days 2018-01-28
> 
> [1] Anyone can start an election (with 2 support and also becoming a
> candidate) 90 days after the previous one (or if it's interim and no
> election is ongoing). This section shows the 5 elected offices with the
> most time passed since the last election.
>
>
> ABBREVIATIONS
> -
> ACORNAgora Nomic Code of Regulations
> ADoP Associate Director of Personnel
> PSS  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
>
> RECENT EVENTS (all times UTC)
> 
> Thu, May 03 2018 (06:35:10) - Aris published the 

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8050-8051

[Ned Strange]

8050*  G. 1.7  Pledge Simply G.
FOR
8051*  G., Aris   3.0  Zombie Overhaul v1.0  G.
FOR

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 6.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s)  AI   Title Pender
> 
> ---
> 8050*  G. 1.7  Pledge Simply G.
> 8051*  G., Aris   3.0  Zombie Overhaul v1.0  G.
>
> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>
> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>
> //
> ID: 8050
> Title: Pledge Simply
> Adoption index: 1.7
> Author: G.
> Co-authors:
>
>
> [The Asset-nature of pledges is complicated and serves no purpose;
> if pledges are to be used for out-of-Agora agreements, the Agoran
> Consent constraint makes no sense as it's not a voting matter].
>
> Amend Rule 2450 (Pledges) to read in full:
>
>   If a Player makes a clear public pledge (syn. Oath) to perform
>   (or refrain from performing) certain actions, then breaking the
>   pledge within the pledge's time window is the Class N crime of
>   Oathbreaking, where N is 2 unless the pledge explicitly states
>   otherwise.  The time window of a pledge is 60 days, unless
>   the pledge explicitly states otherwise.
>
>   If breaking the pledge harms specific other parties, the Referee
>   SHOULD solicit the opinion of those parties in determining an
>   appropriate fine.
>
>   The Notary's Weekly Report includes a copy of all pledges that
>   are within their time window, and the dates the pledges were
>   made.
>
> All pledges that existed as assets the instant before this Proposal
> took effect are hereby made pledges under the current version of
> Rule 2450, with their creation dates equal to their date of creation
> as assets.
>
> //
> ID: 8051
> Title: Zombie Overhaul v1.0
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors: Aris
>
>
> [TODO:  Check proposals adopted since the last SLR for conflicts]
>
> Create the following Rule, Zombie Life Cycle, power=3:
>
>   Any player CAN, with Notice, flip the master switch of an active
>   player who has not made a public announcement in the past 60 days
>   to Agora.
>
>   Resale is a secured natural switch for zombies, tracked by the
>   Registrar, with a default value of 2. Whenever a zombie's master
>   switch is flipped to a player other than emself, eir resale value
>   is decreased by 1.
>
>   A zombie with a resale value of 0 CANNOT have eir master switch
>   flipped to a player other than emself, rules to the contrary
>   notwithstanding.
>
>   Any player CAN, with Notice:
> - If a zombie has been a zombie for the past 90 days and not had
>  Agora for a master during any of that time, flip the zombie's
>  master switch to Agora;
> - If a player is master to more than one zombie, flip the master
>  switch of one of that master's zombies to Agora;
> - Deregister a zombie whose master is Agora and who has a Resale
>  value of 0.
>
>   The Registrar SHALL track the date that each zombie last belonged
>   to Agora in eir weekly report.  The Registrar SHALL perform all
>   POSSIBLE actions in the preceding paragraph in a timely fashion
>   after first reporting their possibility via the facts in eir
>   weekly report.
>
>
> Amend Rule 2532 (Zombies) to read in full:
>
>   Master is a secured player switch with possible values of any
>   player, and Agora. Every player's default master is emself; rules
>   to the contrary notwithstanding, a player CAN always flip eir own
>   master to emself by announcement.
>
>   A player whose master is not emself is a zombie (syn. inactive);
>   all other players are active.  A zombie's master, if another
>   player, is allowed to act on behalf of the zombie (i.e. as the
>   zombie's agent), except a master CANNOT act on behalf of a zombie
>   to:
> - initiate, support, object to, or perform a dependent action;
> - act on behalf of that zombie's zombies;
> - bid in a zombie auction;
> - enter a contract, pledge, or other type of agreement;
> - deregister.
>
>   A zombie's master CAN flip that zombie's master switch to Agora by
>   announcement.
>
>   If a master causes a zombie to perform an ILLEGAL action, the
>   master commits the Class 4+N Crime of Masterminding (where N is
>   the class of the illegal action).
>
>   If a active player who was 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dice Rolls Generated: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 06:27:08 UTC

[Ned Strange]

I recuse.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 8:26 PM Edward Murphy  wrote:
>
>> Aris wrote:
>>
>> > I favor this case. I should have time starting next week
>> >>> Comment: If this dice rolls an odd number, I call for judgement on
>> >>> the statement "This is a CFJ".
>> >>>
>> >>>   5
>>
>> Bah, sorry, should have caught up on a-d first. Perhaps V.J. Rada will
>> agree to recuse emself and then I can assign it to you.
>>
>> VJ Rada, would you?
>
> -Aris
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Dice Rolls Generated: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 06:27:08 UTC

[Ned Strange]

That is, I recuse myself from the below-mentioned CFJ. Hate public action
specificity.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Ned Strange 
wrote:

> I recuse.
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Aris Merchant  gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 8:26 PM Edward Murphy  wrote:
>>
>>> Aris wrote:
>>>
>>> > I favor this case. I should have time starting next week
>>> >>> Comment: If this dice rolls an odd number, I call for judgement on
>>> >>> the statement "This is a CFJ".
>>> >>>
>>> >>>   5
>>>
>>> Bah, sorry, should have caught up on a-d first. Perhaps V.J. Rada will
>>> agree to recuse emself and then I can assign it to you.
>>>
>>> VJ Rada, would you?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Impeachment proceedings for Kenyon

[Ned Strange]

I support.

Probably doesn't satisfy the SHOULD but it's a SHOULD.

On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 5:38 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> I announce intent to impeach Kenyon as Rulekeepor, with 2 Agoran Consent.
> (removing em from office is nicer than continual blottings).
>
> First time this has been used, so here's the Proposal that created the
> impeachment rule for referemce in case there's some bug in it
> (proposal 8036 took effect on 28 April 2018):
>
> ID: 8036
> Title: Impeachment
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Enact a new power 2.0 rule, entitled "Impeachment", with the following
> text:
>
>A player CAN be expelled (impeached) from a specified elected office
> which
>e holds with 2 Agoran Consent. When a person is impeached from an
> office,
>an election is immediately opened for that office. Players SHOULD NOT
> use
>this method of removal unless the officer has abused the powers of eir
>office or otherwise shown emself unworthy the trust of Agora.
>
>
>
>


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: DIS: "Corn" vs "coin"

[Ned Strange]

I hate this game and create and pend the following proposal with paper.

Title: Let's not make game assets one letter different from each other
AI: 3
Text: Amend rule 2003 by replacing "substitute 1 coin for three or fewer
apples" with "substitute 1 corn for 3 or fewer apples".



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Reuben Staley 
wrote:

> That's definitely a mistake and breaks several things. Well, at least I can
> say that it wasn't me this time lol.
>
> On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 02:24 Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
>
> > Since we're talking about proposals that aren't in the SLR yet, I noticed
> > this in the Consolidated Patch (proposal 8041):
> >
> > > Amend Rule 2003, Actions in Arcadia, by changing the text "substitute 3
> > > apples for 1 corn" to read "substitute 1 coin for three or fewer
> apples"
> >
> > Was the change from "corn" to "coin" intentional or a typo? And if it was
> > intentional - what was the purpose? As far as I can see, it makes corn
> > useless.
> >
> > -twg
> >
>



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>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Ned Strange]

That is, I vote for Aris and have PSS also do so.

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:57 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Vote Aris
>
> On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 7:44 AM, C. V. <liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of Honour
> for
> > May 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {Aris, ATMunn}. The
> vote
> > collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-runoff. Quorum
> is
> > 6.
> >
> > ~Corona
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada
>



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>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald][Medal of Honour]

[Ned Strange]

Vote Aris

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 7:44 AM, C. V.  wrote:

> I initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal of Honour for
> May 2018. For this decision, the valid options are {Aris, ATMunn}. The vote
> collector is the Herald, and the voting method is instant-runoff. Quorum is
> 6.
>
> ~Corona
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Bee Gees - Stayin' Alive (1977)

[Ned Strange]

You're still a zombie until you unambiguously flip ur switch

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 3:41 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> OK, posting it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 7:35 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > In public, post this you must.
> >
> > On Thu, 17 May 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > > me no zombie wombie
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

[Ned Strange]

I poiint a finger at G. for not publishing a Registrar report last week.

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 4:42 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> 
> 
>  Registrar's Weekly Report
> 
> 
>
> Date of last report: 27 Apr 2018
> Date of this report: 04 May 2018
> (all times UTC)
>
> (इसका पता लगाएं, मेल क्लाइंट edition)
>
> Recent Events (recent events section not ratifying)
>   01-Apr-18 20:41:27   G. flips Publius Scribonius Scholasticus' master
>switch to Agora.
>   02-Apr-18 17:42:50   Zombie auction begins for pokes, o, Publius
>Scribonius Scholasticus, nichdel, Quazie
>   03-Apr-18 15:14:11   Ouri registers.  Welcome, Ouri!
>   09-Apr-18 17:42:50   Zombie auction ends.
>   09-Apr-18 17:55:58   omd pays auction price of 21 coins for the zombie
>pokes.
>   09-Apr-18 17:55:58   G. pays auction price of 21 coins for the zombie o.
>   09-Apr-18 17:55:58   Registrar flips pokes' master switch to omd.
>   09-Apr-18 17:55:58   Registrar flips o's master switch to G.
>   10-Apr-18 01:12:02   V.J. Rada pays auction price of 12 coins for the
>zombie Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
>   10-Apr-18 01:31:35   Registrar flips Publius Scribonius Scholasticus'
>master switch to V.J. Rada.
>   10-Apr-18 05:23:17   Corona pays auction price of 5 coins for the zombie
>Quazie.
>   10-Apr-18 05:36:54   Registrar flips Quazie's master switch to Corona.
>   10-Apr-18 13:28:06   ATMunn pays auction price of 10 coins for nichdel.
>   10-Apr-18 13:35:34   Registrar flips nichdel's master switch to ATMunn.
>   17-Apr-18 21:34:31   Trigon flips 天火狐's master switch to Agora.
>   17-Apr-18 21:34:31   Trigon flips Telnaior's master switch to Agora.
>
>   (time of last report)
>
>
> Players (19) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie)
>
>  Player   Contact
>  Registered
>  --   ---
>  --
>  Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep
> 16
>  Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May
> 17
>  G.   kerim at u.washington.edu   25 Aug
> 17
>  Cuddle Beam  cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug
> 17
>  Trigon   reuben.staley at gmail.com  24 Sep
> 17
>  Corona   liliumalbum.agora at gmail.com  17 Nov
> 17
>  Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   17 Dec
> 17
>  VJ Rada  edwardostrange at gmail.com 29 Dec
> 17
>  Kenyon   kprater3.14 at gmail.com27 Feb
> 18
>  ATMunn   iamingodsarmy at gmail.com  11 Mar
> 18
>  Ouri ouri.poupko at gmail.com03 Apr
> 18
>   z  omd  comexk at gmail.com [3] 03 Feb
> 11
>   z  oowen at grimoire.ca 12 Jul
> 16
>   z  Quazie   quazienomic at gmail.com15 Apr
> 17
>   z  P. Scholasticus [1]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[2] 16 Apr
> 17
>   z  nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun
> 17
>   z  pokespokes at botnoise.org   11 Dec
> 17
>   z  天火狐draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
>   z  Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au20 Oct
> 17
>
> [1] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [2] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
> googlemail.com
> [3] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
>
>
> Non-default Master Switches (Player:value, self-ratifying)
>
>  omd  : G.
>  Quazie   : Corona
>  nichdel  : ATMunn
>  o: G.
>  pokes: omd
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: V.J. Rada
>  Telnaior : Agora
>  天火狐: Agora
>
>
> Non-default Emotion Switches (Player:value, self-ratifying)
>
>  nichdel : Joyous
>  Alexis  : Melancholy
>  ATMunn  : Joyous (November 14, 2017)
>  PSS : Melancholy
>  G.  : Melancholy (November 17, 2017)
>  Trigon  : Melancholy
>  VJ Rada : Melancholy (November 17, 2017)
>
>
> Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)
>
>  Type Location  Typical use
>    ---
>  Public   agora-official at agoranomic.org  official reports
>  Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
>  Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
>  Discussion   irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic   discussion
>  Public   agora at listserver.tue.nl   

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8049

[Ned Strange]

I vote FOR (and use the zombie rule to have PSS do so).

I have PSS transfer all eir assets to me.

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [Apologies for any errors. I am buried in work right now.]
>
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s)  AI   Title Pender
> 
> ---
> 8049*  Trigon 2.6  be with you   Trigon
>
> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals:
>
> ID Author(s)AI Title
> 
> ---
> pp1Corona   1.0go, Go! v2
>
> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>
> //
> ID: 8049
> Title: be with you
> Adoption index: 2.6
> Author: Trigon
> Co-authors:
>
>
> For the following proposal, the syntax X -> Y is shorthand for "Replace
> X with Y in ascending numerical order.
>
> The Land of Arcadia -> The Galaxy of Arcadia
> Map -> Starmap
> Unit of Land, Land Unit -> Planet
> Units of Land, Land Units -> Planets
> Unit of T Land -> T Planet
> Units of T Land -> T Planets
> Land Type -> Planet Type
> Cartographor -> Astrocartographor
>
> If e is not already, make Trigon the Astrocartographor.
>
>
> //
> ID: pp1
> Title: go, Go! v2
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Corona
> Co-authors:
> Note: Text enclosed in square brackets is not part of the proposal.
>
>
> [This proposal implements a 3 coin, 2 apple reward for each captured
> stone, possibly livening up the board]
>
> Amend the rule 1998 "Land Topology" to read in full:
>
> Two Units of Land are Adjacent if they have the same Latitude, and their
> Longitudes differ by exactly one; or they have the same Longitude, and
> their Latitudes differ by exactly one.
>
> Land Unit A is said to be connected to Land Unit B if it is possible to
> reach B by moving only to adjacent Land Units of the same Land Type,
> starting from A.
>
> [Here I changed color to Land Type, as color is not defined. So far, it
> didn't break anything, as no LUs were to be changed into Aether]
>
> A set Land Units is said to be a Subgroup if all of these Land Units have
> the same Land Type are connected to each other.
>
> A Subgroup is said to be a Group if no set exists such that:
> 1) Its elements are all Land Units of that Subgroup and at least one Land
> Unit not an element of that Subgroup.
> 2) It is a Subgroup.
>
> [Group = a group of stones in Go]
>
> Amend the rule 2022 "Land Transfiguration" to read in full:
>
> [Changing it so that it happens automatically]
>
> At the end of the second Eastman week of each Agoran Month, the following
> happens in sequence:
>
>   1. Every Land Unit, with a preservation switch of False that is not
>  directly connected to a unit of Aether, or is not connected by its
>  own type to a unit of Aether, shall be transformed to Aether.
>
>  For every Land Unit that has its type changed to Aether by this
>  procedure, the player who most recently changed the Land Type of any
>  Land Unit such that it is an element of the Full Group of the
> transformed
>  Land Unit or adjacent to any of the Land Units of the Full Group of
> the
>  transformed Land Unit, among the players who aren't Cartographor,
> receives
>  3 coins and 2 apples.
>
>   2. Any entities whose locations are on land units so transformed
>  shall have their locations set to (0, 0).
>
>   3. If any land unit so transformed is not property of Agora, it
>  becomes property of Agora.
>
>   The Cartographor SHALL announce all of these changes in a timely manner.
>
> //
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] Court Gazette

[Ned Strange]

Put me down to judge. Obviously is a shortage of them (not to mention
players)

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> COURT GAZETTE (Arbitor's weekly report for 7 May 2018)
>
> Disclaimer: Informational only. No actions are contained in this report.
> Information in this report is not self-ratifying.
>
>
> Open cases (CFJs)
> -
> (none)
>
> (30 Apr 2018: V.J. Rada called a case, then withdrew it, implicitly
> identifying it by similarity to 3637)
>
> Highest numbered case: 3637
>
>
> Recently-delivered verdicts and implications
> 
> 3634 called 19 Apr 2018 by Aris, judged TRUE 30 Apr 2018 by V.J.
> Rada: Zombie owners can act on behalf of their zombies (at least to
> make them perform legal actions).
>
> 3635 called 19 Apr 2018 by Aris, judged FALSE 30 Apr 2018 by V.J.
> Rada: Zombie owners can't break the rules by making their zombies
> perform illegal actions, because such attempts are simply ineffective
> instead. No comment on whether the specific zombie action in question
> would be legal.
>
> 3637 called 30 Apr 2018 by G., judged FALSE 30 Apr 2018 by G. (assigned
> via Certiorari): "You can do X by paying Y" (without specifying a
> recipient) can't be done by paying anyone, because Rule 2166 (Assets)
> says that balance changes without a specified source/destination
> cause creation/destruction instead.
>
> 3636 called 29 Apr 2018 by V.J. Rada, judged TRUE 4 May 2018 by G.: "I
> vote _, I also have my zombie vote as I do" is reasonably clear.
>
>
> Day Court Judge Recent
> --
> Corona  3627, 3628
>[02/14 02/14]
> Murphy  3626, 3627, 3628
>[03/01 03/01 03/01]
> G.  3631, 3637, 3636
>[04/20 04/30 05/04]
> Gaelan  
>
> Weekend Court Judge Recent (generally gets half as many cases)
> --
> ATMunn  3633
>[04/29]
>
> (These are informal designations. Requests to join/leave a given court
> will be noted. Individual requests to be assigned a specific case will
> generally be honored, even for non-court judges.)
>
>


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8046-8048

[Ned Strange]

I change my vote and act on PSS's behalf (as my zombie) to change eir vote
on Crystals v2 to AGAINST.

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> 8046*  ATMunn 2.0  no more zombies   ATMunn
>>
> AGAINST
>
>> 8047*  G., Aris   3.0  Basic NerfG.
>>
> PRESENT
>
>> 8048*  Aris, Trigon   2.0  Crystals v2   Aris
>>
> PRESENT
>
>


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

[Ned Strange]

just kidding! I can't read!

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Important CoE: You have forgotten assets owned by Contracts
>
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:52 AM, Corona <liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I deputize for the Treasuror to post the following report. Please check
>> your actions and balances.
>>
>>
>>
>> +---++++---+++++++
>>
>> |Entity
>> |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs|
>>
>> +---++++---+++++++
>>
>> |ATMunn |  10|  35|   0|  0|  10|   0|  39|  10|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |Aris   |   5|  25|   7|  0|   5|   0|  77|   5|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |Corona |  24|  40|  21| 17|   9|  18|  89|  16|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |CuddleBeam |  11|  13|   9|  4|   8|   9|  40|   8|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |G. |  20|  90|  11|  0|  20|   0| 140|  29|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |Gaelan |  14|  23|   2|  6|   2|   0|  37|   8|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |Kenyon |  14|  32|   4|  6|  20|   3|  35|   7|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |Murphy |   5|  25|   4|  0|   8|   0|  60|   9|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |Publius Scribonius Scholasticus|   0|   5|   0|  0|   0|   0|  10|   2|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |Quazie |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |Telnaior   |   5|  25|   3|  0|   5|   0|  55|   9|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |Trigon |   3|  20|  11|  2|   4|  12|  28|   6|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |VJ Rada|  10|  45|   1|  0|  10|   0|  55|  15|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |nichdel|   0|   5|   0|  0|   0|   0|  10|   2|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |o  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |omd|   0|  10|   0|  0|   0|   0|  20|   4|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |Ouri   |   0|   5|   0|  0|   0|   0|  14|   2|
>> 0|   5|
>>
>> |pokes  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |天火狐  |   5|  25|   0|  0|   5|   0|  40|   9|   0|
>> 5|
>>
>> +---++++---+++++++
>>
>> |farm at 1,-1   |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |mine at -1,-1  |   3|   0|   0|  2|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |mine at 1,1|   3|   0|   0|  2|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |orchard at -1,1|   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |(Corona’s) mine at 0,2 |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |(Corona’s) refinery at 1,-2|   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |(Corona’s) orchard at 2,1  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |Finger Pointing Workaround |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   1|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> |Agora  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0| 174|   0|
>> 0|   0|
>>
>> +---++++---+++++++
>>
>>
>>
>> The following abbreviations are used in the table above:
>>
>> Ston = stone
>>
>> Appl = apples
>>
>> Lmbr = lumber
>>
>> Cotn = cotton
>>
>> Coin = coins
>>
>> Papr = papers
>>
>> Fabr = fabric
>>
>> Incs = incense
>>
>>
>>
>> Recent changes (most recent first, times in UTC, non-self-ratifying):
>>
>> [Thu May 3 16:32:22] Corona, via Quazie, looted (1,-1) (acquiring 18 corn &
>> 18 cotton), destroying 1 apple
>>
>> [Thu May 3 13:10:20] ATMunn transferred 1 coin to “Finger Pointing
>> Workaround” for upkeep
>>
>> [Wed May 2 06:16:07] Aris destroyed a paper to pend “Crystals v2”
>>
>> [Tue May 1 06:22:41] If eir scam was successful (FALSE), Corona would have
>> destroyed some stuff
>>
>> [Tue May 1 00:11:29] G. caused o to transfer all eir (liquid) assets to
>> emself, pokes to transfer all eir assets to omd
>>
>&g

BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] Forbes 500

[Ned Strange]

Important CoE: You have forgotten assets owned by Contracts

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 2:52 AM, Corona  wrote:
> I deputize for the Treasuror to post the following report. Please check
> your actions and balances.
>
>
>
> +---++++---+++++++
>
> |Entity
> |Ston|Appl|Corn|Ore|Lmbr|Cotn|Coin|Papr|Fabr|Incs|
>
> +---++++---+++++++
>
> |ATMunn |  10|  35|   0|  0|  10|   0|  39|  10|
> 0|   5|
>
> |Aris   |   5|  25|   7|  0|   5|   0|  77|   5|
> 0|   5|
>
> |Corona |  24|  40|  21| 17|   9|  18|  89|  16|
> 0|   5|
>
> |CuddleBeam |  11|  13|   9|  4|   8|   9|  40|   8|
> 0|   5|
>
> |G. |  20|  90|  11|  0|  20|   0| 140|  29|
> 0|   5|
>
> |Gaelan |  14|  23|   2|  6|   2|   0|  37|   8|
> 0|   5|
>
> |Kenyon |  14|  32|   4|  6|  20|   3|  35|   7|
> 0|   5|
>
> |Murphy |   5|  25|   4|  0|   8|   0|  60|   9|
> 0|   5|
>
> |Publius Scribonius Scholasticus|   0|   5|   0|  0|   0|   0|  10|   2|
> 0|   0|
>
> |Quazie |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |Telnaior   |   5|  25|   3|  0|   5|   0|  55|   9|
> 0|   0|
>
> |Trigon |   3|  20|  11|  2|   4|  12|  28|   6|
> 0|   5|
>
> |VJ Rada|  10|  45|   1|  0|  10|   0|  55|  15|
> 0|   5|
>
> |nichdel|   0|   5|   0|  0|   0|   0|  10|   2|
> 0|   0|
>
> |o  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |omd|   0|  10|   0|  0|   0|   0|  20|   4|
> 0|   0|
>
> |Ouri   |   0|   5|   0|  0|   0|   0|  14|   2|
> 0|   5|
>
> |pokes  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |天火狐  |   5|  25|   0|  0|   5|   0|  40|   9|   0|
> 5|
>
> +---++++---+++++++
>
> |farm at 1,-1   |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |mine at -1,-1  |   3|   0|   0|  2|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |mine at 1,1|   3|   0|   0|  2|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |orchard at -1,1|   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |(Corona’s) mine at 0,2 |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |(Corona’s) refinery at 1,-2|   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |(Corona’s) orchard at 2,1  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   0|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |Finger Pointing Workaround |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0|   1|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> |Agora  |   0|   0|   0|  0|   0|   0| 174|   0|
> 0|   0|
>
> +---++++---+++++++
>
>
>
> The following abbreviations are used in the table above:
>
> Ston = stone
>
> Appl = apples
>
> Lmbr = lumber
>
> Cotn = cotton
>
> Coin = coins
>
> Papr = papers
>
> Fabr = fabric
>
> Incs = incense
>
>
>
> Recent changes (most recent first, times in UTC, non-self-ratifying):
>
> [Thu May 3 16:32:22] Corona, via Quazie, looted (1,-1) (acquiring 18 corn &
> 18 cotton), destroying 1 apple
>
> [Thu May 3 13:10:20] ATMunn transferred 1 coin to “Finger Pointing
> Workaround” for upkeep
>
> [Wed May 2 06:16:07] Aris destroyed a paper to pend “Crystals v2”
>
> [Tue May 1 06:22:41] If eir scam was successful (FALSE), Corona would have
> destroyed some stuff
>
> [Tue May 1 00:11:29] G. caused o to transfer all eir (liquid) assets to
> emself, pokes to transfer all eir assets to omd
>
> [Sun Apr 01 00:00] new month begins (payday). Trigon’s farm is, sadly,
> destroyed due to em failing to pay upkeep
>
> [Mon Apr 30 21:50:05] Corona collected assets from eir facilities and paid
> upkeep for them (totalling 6 coins, 2 stones and 2 lumber, and destroying 3
> apples to move)
>
> [Mon Apr 30 06:45:43] Trigon looted (-1,1), using 1 corn to move
>
> [Mon Apr 30 00:25:19] ATMunn pended “no more zombies” with 1 paper
>
> [Mon Apr 30 00:00] new week begins (assets are produced in facilities)
>
> [Sun Apr 29 23:18:37] Trigon may have performed the below actions here,
> nobody CFJed it
>
> [Sun Apr 29 22:52:44] Trigon looted (0,-2) (acquiring 6 corn, 6 cotton) and
> attempted to loot the empty (1,1) and “if, after performing the enclosed
> actions, I would not have any upkeep costs to pay (FALSE): {I transfer 1
> lumber and 1 stone to Aris in order to pay my upkeep costs}”. 1 corn & 1
> apple were destroyed
>
> [Sun Apr 29 22:22:01] Corona attempted some more pointless asset to and fro
> with Quazie, then eir contingency plan kicked in, looting (1,1), moving to
> (2,1), building an 

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8046-8048

[Ned Strange]

I act on behalf of PSS to vote AGAINST the first two proposals listed
below and FOR the third. I also vote that way.

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 7.0 [1], the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s)  AI   Title Pender
> ---
> 8046*  ATMunn 2.0  no more zombies   ATMunn
> 8047*  G., Aris   3.0  Basic NerfG.
> 8048*  Aris, Trigon   2.0  Crystals v2   Aris
>
>
> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>
> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>
> [1] Quorum is provisional due to a disputed vote. It could be 6.0, although
> in the Promotor's opinion the listed result is more likely.
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>
> //
> ID: 8046
> Title: no more zombies
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: ATMunn
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Repeal rule 2532 "Zombies".
> Repeal rule 1885 "Zombie Auctions".
> Repeal rule 2554 "Zombiception".
>
> //
> ID: 8047
> Title: Basic Nerf
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors: Aris
>
>
> Enact a new power 3.0 rule, entitled "Zombie Restrictions", with the
> following text:
>
>   Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, a zombie who is being acted
>   on behalf of CANNOT initiate, support, object to, or perform a dependent
>   action.
>
> //
> ID: 8048
> Title: Crystals v2
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors: Trigon
>
>
> Amend Rule 2562, Facility Ranks, to read as follows:
>
>   Rank is a secured facility switch tracked by the Cartographor defaulting
>   to 1, with possible values of all positive integers.
>
>   A player CAN increase the rank of a facility that is at eir location by
>   exactly 1 by announcement by paying any upgrade costs of the facility for
>   that specific rank. A player CAN increase the rank of a facility at any
>   location by N by announcement by destroying N crystals in eir possession.
>
> Enact a new rule, entitled "Crystals" (Power = 2.0), with the following text
>
>   Crystals are a currency, with the Treasuror as their recordkeepor.
>   They may be owned by Agora, persons, and contracts. The following units
>   are defined:
>
>   - Bronze Crystal, 1 crystal
>   - Silver Crystal, 2 crystals
>   - Gold Crystal, 4 crystals
>   - Platinum Crystal, 8 crystals
>
> Amend the rule defining welcome packages by adding as a new item, 
> appropriately
> numbered, at the end of the list "1 Bronze Crystal".
>
> Amend Rule 2483, Economics, by changing the text "The following currencies are
> defined, and are tracked by the Treasuror." to read "The following currencies,
> known collectively as economic currencies, are defined, and are tracked by the
> Treasuror."
> Enact a new rule, "Crystal Rewards" (Power = 2.0), with the following text:
>
>   When a person wins the game, if e has not won in the preceding month, 1 
> Bronze
>   Crystal is created in eir possession.
>
>   A player CAN, by announcement, destroy a crystal in eir possession
>   to create 5 economic currencies of specified, possibly varying type.
>
> [I expect the above to be expanded in future.]
>
> Amend Rule 2003, Actions in Arcadia, by adding
>
>   "7. 1 crystal to move to any location which is not Aether."
> as a new item at the end of the numbered list.
>
>
> Enact a new rule, entitled "Crystal Auctions" (Power = 2.0), with the 
> following
> text:
>
>   At the beginning of each month, the Treasuror CAN and SHALL initiate an
>   auction. For this auction, the announcer is the Treasuror, the auctioneer is
>   Agora, the minimum bid is 1, and there is one lot, chosen as follows:
>
> - January: Gold Crystal
> - February: Silver Crystal
> - March: Silver Crystal
> - April: Gold Crystal
> - May: Silver Crystal
> - June: Silver Crystal
> - July: Platinum Crystal
> - August: Silver Crystal
> - September: Silver Crystal
> - October: Gold Crystal
> - November: Silver Crystal
> - December: Silver Crystal
>
>   When the winner of the auction pays eir bid, the auctioned crystal is
>   immediately created in eir possession.
>
> //



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Finger Pointing

[Ned Strange]

This is a 200 word apology for purposes of expunging that blot. I
still have more other blots which it is too late for me to expunge.
RIP.

Agoran Sillyness is a heavy responsibility. I took that responsibility
onto myself when I decided to become the Silly Person. However, I
clearly had no leg to stand on when decrying the lack of Silly
proposals, because I failed to pend one myself. I for one think that
Sillyness should be repealed, but however little regard we hold those
rules in, we must, of course, follow them anyway. Sillyness is a rule
that may have great value, even. It is because of people like me
failing to submit proposals that the rule is held in such low regard.
I am therefore ardently remorseful, shameful, etc. Only this apology
can rectify this clearly terrible situation. I suppose this apology
itself would have been much better had I attempted to make it in
concert with the Sillyness rules. I therefore offer the following
limerick.
There once was a man: V.J. Rada
He made Agora slightly harder
He failed to submit
Sillyness? Not one bit
Even though he took the job with great ardor
In conclusion, it is because of sods like me refusing to use perfectly
legitimate game mechanics that we feel the need to repeal them. Except
Regulations. I voted against them at the start, and it will be my
pleasure to vote against them again.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> oh, sorry.
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:21 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Shennanigans.  Due to the Treasuror not being a defined office (a bugfix for
>> that is in last week's proposal distribution).  It would have been nice
>> for Gaelan to report informally but oh well.
>>
>> The Assessor doesn't have a report does e, just vote reporting right?  What
>> info are you thinking about?
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Ned Strange wrote:
>>> I point my finger at the Treasuror for failing to publish eir weekly
>>> report since Apr 2
>>>
>>> Also I think the Assessor missed eirs? I would like my assets back etc.
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ re "pay"

[Ned Strange]

I retract my CFJ

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I CFJ on:  If the Rules say you CAN do something by paying assets, without
> specifying a destination for the payment, you CAN do it by transferring
> those assets to anyone.
>
> Arguments:
>
> Straightforward argument for TRUE:
> R2166 overrides common definitions by making "pay" a synonym for transfer:
>>  An asset generally CAN be transferred (syn. paid, given) by
>>  announcement by its owner to another entity, subject to
>>  modification by its backing document.
>
> Straightforward argument for FALSE:
> Payments without destination are error-trapped by this later clause in
> R2166:
>>   If a rule, proposal, or other
>>  competent authority attempts to increase or decrease the balance
>>  of an entity without specifying a source or destination, then the
>>  currency is created or destroyed as needed.
> so if "payment without destination" is a method in the rules for doing
> something, it happens via asset destruction only (not transfer).
>
>
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> This CFJ doen't answer the question.
>>
>> The question is:  If the Rule says you CAN do something by "paying" without
>> specifying a destination, can you do it by paying anyone?  (the important
>> thing is triggering the CAN that's tied to the action).
>>
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Corona wrote:
>> > also in the
>> > "
>> > doesn't THIS apply to "pay" without a destination?
>> > "
>> > thread
>> >
>> > ~Corona
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:34 AM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I call a CFJ with the statement "To "pay" assets is to transfer them to
>> > anyone"
>> > >
>> > > many arguments in the recent Setting up money-printing machine
>> > > discussion thread.
>> > > --
>> > > From V.J. Rada
>> >
>>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: CFJ re "pay"

[Ned Strange]

I call a CFJ with the statement "To "pay" assets is to transfer them to anyone"

many arguments in the recent Setting up money-printing machine
discussion thread.
-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Judgement in Two Linked CFJs.

[Ned Strange]

I deliver this judgement. This is for CFJs 3634 and 3635

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:28 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am called to judge the following CFJs, presenting two questions of
> statutory interpretation. The first CFJ has the statement " 'Rule
> 2532, "Zombies", enables zombie owners to act on behalf of their
> zombies.". The second CFJ has the statement "Corona has violated of
> Rule 2532, "Zombies", and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", by causing
> Quazie to violate Rule 2550 "Bidding". The first CFJ is TRUE. The
> second CFJ is FALSE.
>
> The first CFJ regards the phrase in Rule 2532 "Zombies" stating that
> "A zombie's master, if another player, is allowed to act on behalf of
> the zombie (i.e. as the zombie's agent) to perform LEGAL actions."
> Does this clause enable masters to act on behalf of their zombies when
> actions are legal (consequently dooming platonically illegal actions)?
> Or does this clause merely clarify that such acting is not prohibited
> by criminal law?
>
> I find where the term "allowed" is used in place of the terms of art
> MAY and CAN, it generally means both, barring significant context
> militating the other way. Agora acts differently than real life laws
> do. In Agora, some actions are treated as if they simply do not count.
> And some expose the actor to consequences. These actions are separated
> by the terms of art MAY and CAN, which in English tend to be synonyms
> in legal contexts. "Allowed" is not a term of art. It simply means, in
> ordinary English, that a certain action is permitted, and the speaker
> (here, the Rules) shall not impede it. In Agora, where we have two
> ways of disallowing actions, "allowed" encompasses both within its
> broad reach. If the term was meant to mean CAN, that is the word that
> should be used. The implications of this interpretation on Rule 2532
> are clear. Only LEGAL actions can be performed on behalf of Zombies.
> But if a rule of lower precedence would criminalize acting on behalf
> of a Zombie to perform otherwise LEGAL actions, such a rule would not
> stand. The statement of the first CFJ is TRUE.
>
> The second CFJ is easier to resolve, and does not require me to reach
> the underlying issue. There are two options advocated for. One is that
> Quazie's bid was legal, allowing Corona to act on behalf of Quazie in
> order to place the bid. The other argument is that Quazie's bid was
> ILLEGAL. If it was so, the bid never happened, and Corona's attempt to
> act on behalf of Quazie did nothing. In either case (and the CFJ's
> statement does not require me to reach the underlying issue), Corona
> violated neither of the referenced rules. The second CFJ is FALSE.
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Calling a CFJ

[Ned Strange]

I call a CFJ with the statement "If an Agoran Decision were now
initiated, the quorum would be 8".

The official Assessment recently published listed 9 voters on the most
recent proposal, which would make the quorum 7. However, I contended
that I used PSS to vote FOR that proposal. The language I used was "I
also have PSS vote as I do".The question is whether that language runs
afoul of rule 2466 which institutes a "requirement that the agent
must, in the message in which the action is performed, uniquely
identify the principal and that the action is being taken on behalf of
that person.

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Voting on Tailor

[Ned Strange]

Vote ATMunn

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:
> Per Rule 2154, I initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the
> Tailor election. The vote collector is the ADoP, the valid options are
> ATMunn and Corona and anyone else who becomes a candidate, and the
> voting method is instant runoff.
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: boo!

[Ned Strange]

I award myself a black ribbon

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 9:54 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I award myself a black ribbon.
>
>
> On behalf of omd, omd awards emself a black ribbon in order
> to satisfy eir scare debt (flpping eir boo lien switch to FALSE).
>
> On behalf of o, o awards emself a black ribbon in order
> to satisfy eir scare debt (flpping eir boo lien switch to FALSE).
>
> On behalf of omd, acting on behalf of pokes, pokes awards
> emself a black ribbon in order to satisfy eir scare debt
> (flpping eir boo lien switch to FALSE).
>
> [I believe these actions are scary in that they demonstrate the
> power of zombies reap the benefits of forced-through proposals].
>
>
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8033-8041

[Ned Strange]

and for the other proposals with em as well

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> CoE: I also voted against Blot Expansion with my zombie PSS
>
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt Proposals 8033-8041 as follows.
>>
>> Quorum is 3 for all of these proposals.
>>
>> co-author lists:
>> [1] Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>> [2] omd, pokes, o
>> [3] Medals of Honour Correction Act
>> [4] V.J. Rada
>> [5] Ørjan
>> [6] Trigon, G.
>>
>>> ID Author(s)AI   Title Pender
>>> ---
>>> 8033   Kenyon, [1]  2.0  Gray Land and the FountainKenyon
>> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, Quazie, Kenyon
>> AGAINST:
>> PRESENT:  V.J. Rada, ATMunn, 2xG.
>> FOR/AGAINST:  5/0
>> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8034   G.   2.0  Paydays Fix   Kenyon
>> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
>> AGAINST:
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST: 9/0
>> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8035   G., [2]  1.0  Nothing to worry aboutG.
>> FOR: Corona, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, 2xG., omd, o, pokes
>> AGAINST: Aris, Trigon, Kenyon
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST: 9/3
>> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8036   Aris 2.0  Impeachment   Aris
>> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
>> AGAINST: 2xG.
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST: 7/2
>> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8037   ATMunn   1.0  Medals of Honour Correction Act   ATMunn
>> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
>> AGAINST:
>> PRESENT:  2xG.
>> FOR/AGAINST:  7/0
>> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8038   V.J. Rada1.0  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.   Corona
>> FOR: 2xG.
>> AGAINST: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST:  2/7
>> RESULT:   REJECTED
>>
>>> 8039   Aris, [4]2.1  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy v2 Aris
>> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
>> AGAINST:
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST:  9/0
>> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8040   Aris, [5]3.0  Blot Expansion v3 Aris
>> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
>> AGAINST: V.J. Rada
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST: 8/1
>> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>>
>>> 8041   Aris, [6]2.0  Consolidated PatchAris
>> FOR:Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
>> AGAINST:
>> PRESENT:
>> FOR/AGAINST: 9/0
>> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>>
>>
>> TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
>>
>> //
>> ID: 8033
>> Title: Gray Land and the Fountain
>> Adoption index: 2.0
>> Author: Kenyon
>> Co-authors: Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>>
>>
>> Amend "Land Types" (Power=2.0):
>> Replace "whose values are "Black", "White", and "Aether"", with the
>> text "whose values are "Black", "White", "Gray", and "Aether""
>>
>> Create a new rule "Facility Categories", (Power=2.0):
>> A facility's Category is a switch whose possible values are
>> “Production”, “Processing”, “Monument”, and “Miscellaneous”.  An “x
>> facility”, where x is a Category, refers to a facility that has
>> Category switch set to x.
>>
>> Amend "Asset Generation with Facilities" (Power=2.0) to read the following:
>>   When an Production or Processing facility creates assets, the assets
>>   are added to the facility's possession. The rule that creates an
>>   Production or Processing facility CAN specify a carrying capacity for
>>   assets. If, at any time, the amount of an asset in the possession of an
>>   Production or Processing facility exceeds that asset's carrying
>>   capacity, an amount of that asset is destroyed until the amount of that
>>   asset in the possession of the facility is equal to its carrying
>>   capacity.
>>
>>   At the end of every Agoran Week, Agora creates a number of assets in a
&

BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8033-8041

[Ned Strange]

CoE: I also voted against Blot Expansion with my zombie PSS

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 9:52 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt Proposals 8033-8041 as follows.
>
> Quorum is 3 for all of these proposals.
>
> co-author lists:
> [1] Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
> [2] omd, pokes, o
> [3] Medals of Honour Correction Act
> [4] V.J. Rada
> [5] Ørjan
> [6] Trigon, G.
>
>> ID Author(s)AI   Title Pender
>> ---
>> 8033   Kenyon, [1]  2.0  Gray Land and the FountainKenyon
> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, Quazie, Kenyon
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT:  V.J. Rada, ATMunn, 2xG.
> FOR/AGAINST:  5/0
> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>
>> 8034   G.   2.0  Paydays Fix   Kenyon
> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST: 9/0
> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>
>> 8035   G., [2]  1.0  Nothing to worry aboutG.
> FOR: Corona, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, 2xG., omd, o, pokes
> AGAINST: Aris, Trigon, Kenyon
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST: 9/3
> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>
>> 8036   Aris 2.0  Impeachment   Aris
> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
> AGAINST: 2xG.
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST: 7/2
> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>
>> 8037   ATMunn   1.0  Medals of Honour Correction Act   ATMunn
> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT:  2xG.
> FOR/AGAINST:  7/0
> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>
>> 8038   V.J. Rada1.0  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.   Corona
> FOR: 2xG.
> AGAINST: Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST:  2/7
> RESULT:   REJECTED
>
>> 8039   Aris, [4]2.1  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy v2 Aris
> FOR:  Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST:  9/0
> RESULT:   ADOPTED
>
>> 8040   Aris, [5]3.0  Blot Expansion v3 Aris
> FOR: Aris, Corona, Trigon, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
> AGAINST: V.J. Rada
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST: 8/1
> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>
>> 8041   Aris, [6]2.0  Consolidated PatchAris
> FOR:Aris, Corona, Trigon, V.J. Rada, Quazie, ATMunn, Kenyon, 2xG.
> AGAINST:
> PRESENT:
> FOR/AGAINST: 9/0
> RESULT:  ADOPTED
>
>
> TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
>
> //
> ID: 8033
> Title: Gray Land and the Fountain
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: Kenyon
> Co-authors: Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>
>
> Amend "Land Types" (Power=2.0):
> Replace "whose values are "Black", "White", and "Aether"", with the
> text "whose values are "Black", "White", "Gray", and "Aether""
>
> Create a new rule "Facility Categories", (Power=2.0):
> A facility's Category is a switch whose possible values are
> “Production”, “Processing”, “Monument”, and “Miscellaneous”.  An “x
> facility”, where x is a Category, refers to a facility that has
> Category switch set to x.
>
> Amend "Asset Generation with Facilities" (Power=2.0) to read the following:
>   When an Production or Processing facility creates assets, the assets
>   are added to the facility's possession. The rule that creates an
>   Production or Processing facility CAN specify a carrying capacity for
>   assets. If, at any time, the amount of an asset in the possession of an
>   Production or Processing facility exceeds that asset's carrying
>   capacity, an amount of that asset is destroyed until the amount of that
>   asset in the possession of the facility is equal to its carrying
>   capacity.
>
>   At the end of every Agoran Week, Agora creates a number of assets in a
>   Production facility specified by the rule which creates the facility.
>
>   At the end of every Agoran Week, Agora destroys any refinable assets in
>   the possession of each Processing facility that that facility can
>   change into refined assets and replaces them with a corresponding
>   number of refined assets to be specified by the rule that creates the
>   facility.
>
>   A player can take a number of assets from an Production or Processing
>   facility's inventory by announcement if eir location is the same as
>   the facility's and the following criteria are met:
>1. if the facility is built on unconserved Public Land, none.
>2. if the facility is built on preserved Public Land and less than
>four days have passed since assets were created in the facility most
>recently, e must not have taken any assets from the inventory of
>another facility located on a preserved Land Unit within this Agoran
>week.
>3. if the facility is built on Communal Land, e must be a party to
>that contract and the text of the contract must permit em 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

[Ned Strange]

I intend to assign both CFJs referenced in this conversation to myself,
without 3 objections.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I intend to assign both CFJs referenced in conversation to myself,
> without 3 objections.
>
> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Aris Merchant
> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't think we want to waive platonism to that degree. However, it
>> would seem reasonable for you to issue a ruling on both now, and then
>> only formalize it once it actually gets assigned to you, given that
>> you've already gone through the waiting period once. Does anyone else
>> object to that arraignment? One possible alternative would be for you
>> (or someone else, I suppose) to deputize for Arbitor to fulfill some
>> old business and then assign yourself, which would have the advantage
>> that we'd have an Arbitor again.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> Excuse me, these are 2 CFJs. Would Agora see fit to interpret my
>>> actions as assigning both CFJs to myself?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I assign this CFJ to myself, being without objections.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I think you intended to assign a CFJ to yourself about 8 days ago, G.
>>>>> Should probably do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I intend to assign this CFJ to myself without 3 objections.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find Shenanigans.  Since the zombie act-on-behalf rule means
>>>>>> Corona CANNOT cause Quazie to perform illegal actions:
>>>>>>   -If the bid was illegal, it failed and no crime was commited;
>>>>>>   -If the bid was legal, no crime was committed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>>>>>> I point my finger at Corona for violations of Rule 2532, "Zombies",
>>>>>>> and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", committed by causing Quazie to
>>>>>>> violate Rule 2550, "Bidding". I CFJ, barring G., on the statement
>>>>>>> 'Rule 2532, "Zombies", enables zombie owners to act on behalf of their
>>>>>>> zombies.'  I CFJ, barring Corona, on the statement 'Corona has
>>>>>>> violated of Rule 2532, "Zombies", and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on
>>>>>>> Behalf", by causing Quazie to violate Rule 2550 "Bidding".'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [For reference, I don't really see how a violation could have been
>>>>>>> committed, but this is all rather unclear and I'd like to see what
>>>>>>> people think."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arguments:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Quazie bid in the auction, e committed a violation of Rule 2550,
>>>>>>> "Bidding", and in particular the provision that "A person SHALL NOT
>>>>>>> bid on an Auction if it would be impossible for em to pay that amount
>>>>>>> at the conclusion of the Auction." Quazie did not have any money at
>>>>>>> the time of the bid, and did not get any by the end of the auction. We
>>>>>>> clearly do not hold em culpable for this violation, given that we do
>>>>>>> not in general hold people responsible for violations they could not
>>>>>>> reasonably have avoided, but the violation remains nevertheless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Corona successfully caused Quazie to bid, e violated Rule 2466,
>>>>>>> "Acting on Behalf", and specifically the provision that "A person
>>>>>>> SHALL NOT act on behalf of another person if doing so causes the
>>>>>>> second person to violate the rules." What remains in question is
>>>>>>> whether or not Corona's action succeeded. There are three
>>>>>>> possibilities: it succeeded, it failed in this specific case, or it
>>>>>>>

BUS: Judgement in Two Linked CFJs.

[Ned Strange]

I am called to judge the following CFJs, presenting two questions of
statutory interpretation. The first CFJ has the statement " 'Rule
2532, "Zombies", enables zombie owners to act on behalf of their
zombies.". The second CFJ has the statement "Corona has violated of
Rule 2532, "Zombies", and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", by causing
Quazie to violate Rule 2550 "Bidding". The first CFJ is TRUE. The
second CFJ is FALSE.

The first CFJ regards the phrase in Rule 2532 "Zombies" stating that
"A zombie's master, if another player, is allowed to act on behalf of
the zombie (i.e. as the zombie's agent) to perform LEGAL actions."
Does this clause enable masters to act on behalf of their zombies when
actions are legal (consequently dooming platonically illegal actions)?
Or does this clause merely clarify that such acting is not prohibited
by criminal law?

I find where the term "allowed" is used in place of the terms of art
MAY and CAN, it generally means both, barring significant context
militating the other way. Agora acts differently than real life laws
do. In Agora, some actions are treated as if they simply do not count.
And some expose the actor to consequences. These actions are separated
by the terms of art MAY and CAN, which in English tend to be synonyms
in legal contexts. "Allowed" is not a term of art. It simply means, in
ordinary English, that a certain action is permitted, and the speaker
(here, the Rules) shall not impede it. In Agora, where we have two
ways of disallowing actions, "allowed" encompasses both within its
broad reach. If the term was meant to mean CAN, that is the word that
should be used. The implications of this interpretation on Rule 2532
are clear. Only LEGAL actions can be performed on behalf of Zombies.
But if a rule of lower precedence would criminalize acting on behalf
of a Zombie to perform otherwise LEGAL actions, such a rule would not
stand. The statement of the first CFJ is TRUE.

The second CFJ is easier to resolve, and does not require me to reach
the underlying issue. There are two options advocated for. One is that
Quazie's bid was legal, allowing Corona to act on behalf of Quazie in
order to place the bid. The other argument is that Quazie's bid was
ILLEGAL. If it was so, the bid never happened, and Corona's attempt to
act on behalf of Quazie did nothing. In either case (and the CFJ's
statement does not require me to reach the underlying issue), Corona
violated neither of the referenced rules. The second CFJ is FALSE.
-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

[Ned Strange]

I intend to assign both CFJs referenced in conversation to myself,
without 3 objections.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:24 PM, Aris Merchant
<thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think we want to waive platonism to that degree. However, it
> would seem reasonable for you to issue a ruling on both now, and then
> only formalize it once it actually gets assigned to you, given that
> you've already gone through the waiting period once. Does anyone else
> object to that arraignment? One possible alternative would be for you
> (or someone else, I suppose) to deputize for Arbitor to fulfill some
> old business and then assign yourself, which would have the advantage
> that we'd have an Arbitor again.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Excuse me, these are 2 CFJs. Would Agora see fit to interpret my
>> actions as assigning both CFJs to myself?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> I assign this CFJ to myself, being without objections.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I think you intended to assign a CFJ to yourself about 8 days ago, G.
>>>> Should probably do so.
>>>>
>>>> I intend to assign this CFJ to myself without 3 objections.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I find Shenanigans.  Since the zombie act-on-behalf rule means
>>>>> Corona CANNOT cause Quazie to perform illegal actions:
>>>>>   -If the bid was illegal, it failed and no crime was commited;
>>>>>   -If the bid was legal, no crime was committed.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>>>>> I point my finger at Corona for violations of Rule 2532, "Zombies",
>>>>>> and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", committed by causing Quazie to
>>>>>> violate Rule 2550, "Bidding". I CFJ, barring G., on the statement
>>>>>> 'Rule 2532, "Zombies", enables zombie owners to act on behalf of their
>>>>>> zombies.'  I CFJ, barring Corona, on the statement 'Corona has
>>>>>> violated of Rule 2532, "Zombies", and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on
>>>>>> Behalf", by causing Quazie to violate Rule 2550 "Bidding".'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [For reference, I don't really see how a violation could have been
>>>>>> committed, but this is all rather unclear and I'd like to see what
>>>>>> people think."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arguments:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Quazie bid in the auction, e committed a violation of Rule 2550,
>>>>>> "Bidding", and in particular the provision that "A person SHALL NOT
>>>>>> bid on an Auction if it would be impossible for em to pay that amount
>>>>>> at the conclusion of the Auction." Quazie did not have any money at
>>>>>> the time of the bid, and did not get any by the end of the auction. We
>>>>>> clearly do not hold em culpable for this violation, given that we do
>>>>>> not in general hold people responsible for violations they could not
>>>>>> reasonably have avoided, but the violation remains nevertheless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If Corona successfully caused Quazie to bid, e violated Rule 2466,
>>>>>> "Acting on Behalf", and specifically the provision that "A person
>>>>>> SHALL NOT act on behalf of another person if doing so causes the
>>>>>> second person to violate the rules." What remains in question is
>>>>>> whether or not Corona's action succeeded. There are three
>>>>>> possibilities: it succeeded, it failed in this specific case, or it
>>>>>> never works at all. I believe that it is one of the later two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The crucial question is one of interpreting Rule 2532, "Zombies".
>>>>>> which states that "A zombie's master, if another player, is allowed to
>>>>>> act on behalf of the zombie (i.e. as the zombie's agent) to perform
>>>>>> LEGAL actions." The phrase "allowed to" is ambiguous, it co

Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

[Ned Strange]

I assign this CFJ to myself, being without objections.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 6:33 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you intended to assign a CFJ to yourself about 8 days ago, G.
> Should probably do so.
>
> I intend to assign this CFJ to myself without 3 objections.
>
> On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I find Shenanigans.  Since the zombie act-on-behalf rule means
>> Corona CANNOT cause Quazie to perform illegal actions:
>>   -If the bid was illegal, it failed and no crime was commited;
>>   -If the bid was legal, no crime was committed.
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>> I point my finger at Corona for violations of Rule 2532, "Zombies",
>>> and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", committed by causing Quazie to
>>> violate Rule 2550, "Bidding". I CFJ, barring G., on the statement
>>> 'Rule 2532, "Zombies", enables zombie owners to act on behalf of their
>>> zombies.'  I CFJ, barring Corona, on the statement 'Corona has
>>> violated of Rule 2532, "Zombies", and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on
>>> Behalf", by causing Quazie to violate Rule 2550 "Bidding".'
>>>
>>> [For reference, I don't really see how a violation could have been
>>> committed, but this is all rather unclear and I'd like to see what
>>> people think."
>>>
>>> Arguments:
>>>
>>> If Quazie bid in the auction, e committed a violation of Rule 2550,
>>> "Bidding", and in particular the provision that "A person SHALL NOT
>>> bid on an Auction if it would be impossible for em to pay that amount
>>> at the conclusion of the Auction." Quazie did not have any money at
>>> the time of the bid, and did not get any by the end of the auction. We
>>> clearly do not hold em culpable for this violation, given that we do
>>> not in general hold people responsible for violations they could not
>>> reasonably have avoided, but the violation remains nevertheless.
>>>
>>> If Corona successfully caused Quazie to bid, e violated Rule 2466,
>>> "Acting on Behalf", and specifically the provision that "A person
>>> SHALL NOT act on behalf of another person if doing so causes the
>>> second person to violate the rules." What remains in question is
>>> whether or not Corona's action succeeded. There are three
>>> possibilities: it succeeded, it failed in this specific case, or it
>>> never works at all. I believe that it is one of the later two.
>>>
>>> The crucial question is one of interpreting Rule 2532, "Zombies".
>>> which states that "A zombie's master, if another player, is allowed to
>>> act on behalf of the zombie (i.e. as the zombie's agent) to perform
>>> LEGAL actions." The phrase "allowed to" is ambiguous, it could mean
>>> CAN or MAY, although I find it somewhat unlikely that it means both of
>>> them at once. If it means CAN, then the action failed because the
>>> action was ILLEGAL, and the affixed conditional resolves to false.
>>>
>>> I believe that the phrase probably means MAY. Granted, the Rule 217
>>> factors suggest that the phrase means CAN, but I don't think that they
>>> can overturn the presumption to the contrary in this case. I'm not
>>> saying that "allow' can never mean "enable', but reading "allowed to"
>>> to mean "able to" doesn't really sound right. For instance, seems
>>> reasonable for someone to say "I will allow you to open your mind",
>>> but (to my ears) it sounds ridiculous to say that "you are allowed to
>>> open your mind". I think the only reason there even appears to be
>>> ambiguity is because of preconceived notions of what the zombie rule
>>> means. Reading the text without judgement, the MAY reading is the
>>> obvious one. Under this reading, there is no provision anywhere that
>>> says that an owner CAN act on behalf of a zombie, so e can't.
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8042-8045

[Ned Strange]

I retract my proposal here listed.

I vote FOR proposals 8042 and 8043, and PRESENT on the others

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:00 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s)AI   Title Pender
> ---
> 8042*  G.   1.0  Agorans are Vulcans   Aris
> 8043*  G.   1.0  Officer patching  G.
> 8044*  Trigon   1.0  5 auctionsTrigon
> 8045*  Trigon, [1]  2.0  Q*Bert the Second Trigon
>
>
> The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals:
>
> ID Author(s)AI Title
> ---
> pp1V.J. Rada2.0Clearer & Better Zombies
>
> [1] G., Corona
>
> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>
> A proposal may be pended for 1 Paper.
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>
> //
> ID: 8042
> Title: Agorans are Vulcans
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Repeal Rule 1650 (Silliness).
> Repeal Rule 2514 (Emotions).
>
> //
> ID: 8043
> Title: Officer patching
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Amend Rule 2445 (How to Pend a Proposal) by appending the following
> paragraph:
>
>   The holder of an Office CAN Rubberstamp a proposal for that
>   specified office, without 3 objections, if no other proposal has
>   been rubberstamped for that office in the current Agoran month.
>   When rubberstamped, the proposal becomes an official proposal
>   associated with that office. Rubberstamping SHOULD only be used to
>   make rule or gamestate corrections associated with the duties of
>   that office.
>
> [A proposed compromise between the "allow without objection fix
> proposals" and the "pay for every proposal including bugfixes" camps]
>
> //
> ID: 8044
> Title: 5 auctions
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Trigon
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Amend rule 2004 "Land Auctions" by replacing the entire text with:
>
>   Every Agoran Week, if the number of Units of Private Land is less
>   than one half the total number of units of Land, a number of
>   Public, non-Aether, Preserved Land Units are chosen using the
>   following process:
>
>   1. If there exist more than 5 such units, the Cartographor SHALL
>  choose exactly 5 of them.
>
>   2. If there exist 5 or fewer such units, all are automatically
>  chosen.
>
>   For each land unit selected by the process described above, the
>   Cartographor CAN and SHALL initiate an auction with it as the only
>   lot. For this auction, the announcer is the Cartographor, the
>   auctioneer is Agora, and the minimum bid is 1 coin.
>
> //
> ID: 8045
> Title: Q*Bert the Second
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: Trigon
> Co-authors: G., Corona
>
>
> Amend rule 1995 "Land Types" by doing the following:
>
>   Replacing the first paragraph with:
>
> Each Unit of Land has a Land Type switch, tracked by the
> Cartographor. Possible values are:
>
> 1. Black
> 2. White
> 3. Gray
> 4. Aether (the default)
>
> Changes to Land Type switches are secured. To "change the type"
> of, or to "transform" a Unit of Land is to flip its Type switch. A
> “Unit of X” is a Unit of Land whose Land Type switch has the value
> X.
>
>   and replacing the first word of the final paragraph with "Alternating
>   Land Type".
>
> Re-enact rule 2046 (Power=1.0) "Q*Bert (tm)" [1]
>
> Rename rule 2046 to "Q*Bert"
>
> Amend rule 2046 by replacing its text, in its entirety, with:
>
>   Q*Bert is an entity which has a location. Q*Bert CAN be on a unit
>   of Aether.
>
>   Q*Bert has a color switch, tracked by the Cartographor, whose
>   possible values are all defined Land Type other than Aether or
>   Gray. The default value is Black. When Q*Bert moves to a Land
>   Unit, if the current type of the unit is not the same as Q*Bert's
>   color switch, Q*Bert changes that space's type to the value of eir
>   color switch.
>
>   Every week, the Cartographor CAN and SHALL move Q*Bert using the
>   following process:
>
>   1. If Q*Bert is on the same Land Unit as another entity, the
>  Cartographor SHALL select a Land Unit adjacent to Q*Bert's
>  current position and move em there.
>
>   2. Otherwise, the 

Re: BUS: Finger Pointing

[Ned Strange]

I also point my finger at myself for failing to pend a Silly Proposal last week.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I point my finger at the Treasuror for failing to publish eir weekly
> report since Apr 2
>
> Also I think the Assessor missed eirs? I would like my assets back etc.
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Finger Pointing

[Ned Strange]

I point my finger at the Treasuror for failing to publish eir weekly
report since Apr 2

Also I think the Assessor missed eirs? I would like my assets back etc.

-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Re: OFF: [Regkeepor] ACORN

[Ned Strange]

I repeal Regulation 1.1

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> The ACORN (Agora Nomic Code of Regulations)
>
> ==
> TITLE 0
> Contains no regulations, and is reserved for the use of the Regkeepor.
> --
>
> (empty)
>
>
> ==
> TITLE 1
> Used by the Notary to set limits on contract creation and amendment, and
> to exempt contracts from sustenance payments.
>
> --
> Regulation 1.1
> Contract Limits
> Parent rule(s): 2522 ("Contract Lifecycle", Power 2.5)
>
>
> The Contract Limit is 3.
>
> The Amendment Limit is ∞.
>
> History:
> Promulgated upon recommendation by o, 31 October 2017
>
> --



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: finger point

[Ned Strange]

i point my finger at myself for failing to publish the notary report last week
-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

[Ned Strange]

I do the same.

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 5:13 AM, Reuben Staley  wrote:
> I intend to retract my pledges without objection.
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 13:12 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Two things:
>>
>> -You need to announce this as intent unless there was an earlier intent
>> you announced.
>>
>> -Unfortunately, the way the Rule is written, "destroy" can mean either
>> to retract/withdraw or to call in.  You definitely don't want to call in.
>> (that's another of those bug fix needed for clarity).
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote:
>> > I destroy my pledges as well, without objection.
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 12:14 Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> 
>> > > The Police Blotter (Referee's Weekly Report)
>> > >
>> > >
>> 
>> > >
>> > > Date of last report: 13 Mar 2018
>> > > Date of this report: 22 Apr 2018
>> > > (all times UTC)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > BLOT HOLDINGS (asset record - self-ratifying)
>> > >
>> > > PersonBlots
>> > >   -
>> > > V.J. Rada1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > BLOT HISTORY (f=forgivable by R2557)
>> > >
>> > > PersonChange  Date  Reason
>> > >   --    ---
>> > > V.J. Rada  +1(f)  11 Apr 2018 12:01:44  Late Notary Report
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > FROM THE POLICE SCANNER (details of justice)
>> > >
>> > > From Aris (19 Apr 2018 07:04:56)
>> > >  I point my finger at Corona for violations of Rule 2532,
>> "Zombies",
>> > >  and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", committed by causing Quazie
>> to
>> > >  violate Rule 2550, "Bidding".
>> > > Referee Response (20 Apr 2018 05:38:13)
>> > >  I find Shenanigans.  Since the zombie act-on-behalf rule means
>> > >  Corona CANNOT cause Quazie to perform illegal actions:
>> > >-If the bid was illegal, it failed and no crime was commited;
>> > >-If the bid was legal, no crime was committed.
>> > >
>> > > From V.J. Rada (11 Apr 2018 06:08:15)
>> > >  I point my finger at G. for failing to attempt to deregister each
>> > >  inactive player. I suppose that because this isn't officially
>> related
>> > >  to the duties of the Referee, G must judge himself.
>> > > Referee Response (11 Apr 2018 12:00:51)
>> > >  Given that there has been no time in the recent past that I had
>> > > sufficient
>> > >  support to do the job in question within the time limit, my
>> initial
>> > >  attempt that failed was as good as any other attempt would have
>> been.
>> > >
>> > >  I find Shenanigans.
>> > >
>> > > From Aris (10 Apr 2018 06:51:12)
>> > > I point my finger at V.J. Rada for failing to publish the Notary's
>> > > weekly
>> > > report. In general I agreee with G.'s two week rule, but in this
>> case
>> > > the
>> > > person responsible failed to publish the report after being
>> elected to
>> > > the
>> > > office.
>> > > Referee Response (11 Apr 2018 12:01:44)
>> > > The facts are correct.  Cold Hand of Justice Imposed:
>> > >
>> > > 2 Blots is the base penalty.  I think a first offense of a missed
>> > > report
>> > > should start with the lowest penalty (lowest common infraction as a
>> > > baseline).  So I levy a fine of 1 blot on VJ Rada.
>> > >
>> > > This is forgivable, so does not take away salary for this month (no
>> > > words
>> > > specified for the apology).
>> > >
>> > > I'm not sure for future if the 2nd or 3rd missed report (14 or 21
>> days
>> > > of "no work") would be the threshold for unforgivable for the
>> purposes
>> > > of
>> > > losing a month's salary.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > RECENT PLEDGES
>> > >
>> > > G. (Made: 02-Apr-18 01:11:21.  Fulfilled:  10-Apr-2018 18:00:04)
>> > > As Registrar, I pledge to publish a tally of supporters/objectors for
>> each
>> > > below intent, at some time between 6 and 10 days after the below
>> intents
>> > > were made.  I pledge, that if the published ratios indicate sufficient
>> > > support to perform the actions and it is still otherwise POSSIBLE for
>> me to
>> > > do so, I will perform the actions in the same document.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > PLEDGES BEFORE March 15, 2018
>> > >
>> > > Quazie -
>> > > I pledge to give 1 Shiny to the first person who can,
>> > > correctly, with e-mail citations, explain what I did wrong on
>> > > Jan 20th 2009 that has since led to me being a fugitive. For
>> > > the explanation to be valid for this pledge, it should be fully
>> > > self contained, I should not have to go look up past rules in
>> > > order to understand the explanation (So please, include all
>> > > source info in the explanation).
>> > >
>> > > V.J Rada -
>> > > I pledge not to make any thread titles completely unrelated to
>> > 

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Regkeepor] ACORN [CFJ 3631 Judgement]

[Ned Strange]

(This is, oddly, a by announcement)

I repeal the Regulation exempting the contract "Order of the Occult
Hand" from sustenance payments.

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> CFJ Statement:   V.J. Rada (The current Notary) has the power to repeal
> Regulations promulgated by o. in hisofficial capacity as Notary.
>
>
> For future reference, I believe this case is CFJ 3631.
>
>
> I deliver the following judgement for this CFJ:
>
>
> We tend to think that, if an officer begins a "named process" that occurs
> over time (e.g. an Agoran Decision), that responsibility for finishing the
> process transfers to the new officer is the officer changes. However, this
> is not necessarily universal, and is in fact hard-coded in cases where it's
> true.  For example, for Agoran Decisions in R208:
>
>>  Each Agoran decision has exactly one vote collector, defaulting to
>>  the initiator of the decision. If the vote collector is defined by
>>  reference to a position (or, in the default case, if the initiator
>>  was so defined), then the vote collector is the current holder of
>>  that position.
>
> Or for dependent actions in R1728:
>> 2. The initiator was authorized to perform the action due to
>>holding a rule-defined position now held by the performer.
>
>
> It's reasonable to extend "hard-coding" to include situations where the
> responsibility is defined continuously, for example for land auctions in
> R2004:
>>   For this auction, the announcer is the Cartographor
>
> "is the Cartographer" is defined continuously (for any given moment), so
> the announcer switches to be aligned with the office.
>
> In the current case, we have two separate phrases to consider.  First,
> R2526:
>>  The Notary CAN, by regulation, exempt a contract from the
>>  preceding paragraph.
>
> And Rule 2493:
>>  A regulation allows an officer (known as the Promulgator) to
>>  exercise rule defined powers.
>
> Taken together, we can infer that the Notary is "known as" the Promulgator
> for this type of regulation. or simply that the Notary "is" the Promulgator
> for this type of regulation.  This is further bolstered by this text in
> R2493:
>>A regulation is in effect
>>  continuously from the time of its creation...
> suggesting that the properties of this regulation, such as its promulgator,
> are also evaluated continuously.
>
> This is sufficient hard-coding to say that the position of "promulgator"
> for this type of regulation is transferred with the office, and fortunately
> this matches both the intent of the rule text as well as what's best for
> the game (to keep duties aligned with the office).  I judge TRUE.
>
>
>



-- 
>From V.J. Rada

BUS: Proposal

[Ned Strange]

I create the following proposal.

Title: Clearer & Better Zombies
AI: 2.0
Text: In rule 2532, Zombies, replace the text "A zombie's master, if
another player, is allowed to act on behalf of the zombie (i.e. as the
zombie's agent) to perform LEGAL actions." with "A zombie's master, if
another player, CAN act on behalf of the zombie to perform actions"


-- 
>From V.J. Rada

Re: BUS: Zombie CFJs and Finger pointing

[Ned Strange]

I think you intended to assign a CFJ to yourself about 8 days ago, G.
Should probably do so.

I intend to assign this CFJ to myself without 3 objections.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I find Shenanigans.  Since the zombie act-on-behalf rule means
> Corona CANNOT cause Quazie to perform illegal actions:
>   -If the bid was illegal, it failed and no crime was commited;
>   -If the bid was legal, no crime was committed.
>
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> I point my finger at Corona for violations of Rule 2532, "Zombies",
>> and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on Behalf", committed by causing Quazie to
>> violate Rule 2550, "Bidding". I CFJ, barring G., on the statement
>> 'Rule 2532, "Zombies", enables zombie owners to act on behalf of their
>> zombies.'  I CFJ, barring Corona, on the statement 'Corona has
>> violated of Rule 2532, "Zombies", and/or Rule 2466, "Acting on
>> Behalf", by causing Quazie to violate Rule 2550 "Bidding".'
>>
>> [For reference, I don't really see how a violation could have been
>> committed, but this is all rather unclear and I'd like to see what
>> people think."
>>
>> Arguments:
>>
>> If Quazie bid in the auction, e committed a violation of Rule 2550,
>> "Bidding", and in particular the provision that "A person SHALL NOT
>> bid on an Auction if it would be impossible for em to pay that amount
>> at the conclusion of the Auction." Quazie did not have any money at
>> the time of the bid, and did not get any by the end of the auction. We
>> clearly do not hold em culpable for this violation, given that we do
>> not in general hold people responsible for violations they could not
>> reasonably have avoided, but the violation remains nevertheless.
>>
>> If Corona successfully caused Quazie to bid, e violated Rule 2466,
>> "Acting on Behalf", and specifically the provision that "A person
>> SHALL NOT act on behalf of another person if doing so causes the
>> second person to violate the rules." What remains in question is
>> whether or not Corona's action succeeded. There are three
>> possibilities: it succeeded, it failed in this specific case, or it
>> never works at all. I believe that it is one of the later two.
>>
>> The crucial question is one of interpreting Rule 2532, "Zombies".
>> which states that "A zombie's master, if another player, is allowed to
>> act on behalf of the zombie (i.e. as the zombie's agent) to perform
>> LEGAL actions." The phrase "allowed to" is ambiguous, it could mean
>> CAN or MAY, although I find it somewhat unlikely that it means both of
>> them at once. If it means CAN, then the action failed because the
>> action was ILLEGAL, and the affixed conditional resolves to false.
>>
>> I believe that the phrase probably means MAY. Granted, the Rule 217
>> factors suggest that the phrase means CAN, but I don't think that they
>> can overturn the presumption to the contrary in this case. I'm not
>> saying that "allow' can never mean "enable', but reading "allowed to"
>> to mean "able to" doesn't really sound right. For instance, seems
>> reasonable for someone to say "I will allow you to open your mind",
>> but (to my ears) it sounds ridiculous to say that "you are allowed to
>> open your mind". I think the only reason there even appears to be
>> ambiguity is because of preconceived notions of what the zombie rule
>> means. Reading the text without judgement, the MAY reading is the
>> obvious one. Under this reading, there is no provision anywhere that
>> says that an owner CAN act on behalf of a zombie, so e can't.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>



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BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8033-8041

[Ned Strange]

I vote as follows:
8033: PRESENT
8034: FOR
8035: FOR
8036: FOR
8037: FOR
8038: AGAINST, foiled by power
8039: Regrettably, FOR
8040: AGAINST. I think 5 blots+3 a month will be more than enough for
everybody to be blot-free, which means that there is no incentive to
buy temples (paper is the only resource, along with apples, that
really is useful but anyway). Also, as a nefarious criminal who was
once prohibited from all game actions against his consent, all
w/o-consent deregistrations are bad juju.
8041: FOR

I also have PSS vote as I do.

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I vote as follows:
> 8033: PRESENT
> 8034: FOR
> 8035: FOR
> 8036: FOR
> 8037: FOR
> 8038: AGAINST, foiled by power
> 8039: Regrettably, FOR
> 8040: AGAINST. I think 5 blots+3 a month will be more than enough for
> everybody to be blot-free, which means that there is no incentive to
> buy temples (paper is the only resource, along with apples, that
> really is useful but anyway). Also, as a nefarious criminal who was
> once prohibited from all game actions against his consent, all
> w/o-consent deregistrations are bad juju.
> 8041: FOR
>
> I also have PSS vote as I do.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Aris Merchant
> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
>> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
>> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
>> quorum is 3.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
>> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
>> votes).
>>
>> ID Author(s)AI   Title Pender
>> ---
>> 8033*  Kenyon, [1]  2.0  Gray Land and the FountainKenyon
>> 8034*  G.   2.0  Paydays Fix   Kenyon
>> 8035*  G., [2]  1.0  Nothing to worry aboutG.
>> 8036*  Aris 2.0  Impeachment   Aris
>> 8037*  ATMunn   1.0  Medals of Honour Correction Act   ATMunn
>> 8038*  V.J. Rada1.0  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.   Corona
>> 8039*  Aris, [4]2.1  V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy v2 Aris
>> 8040*  Aris, [5]3.0  Blot Expansion v3 Aris
>> 8041*  Aris, [6]2.0  Consolidated PatchAris
>>
>> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>>
>> [1] Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>> [2] omd, pokes, o
>> [3] Medals of Honour Correction Act
>> [4] V.J. Rada
>> [5] Ørjan
>> [6] Trigon, G.
>>
>> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>>
>> A proposal may be pended for 1 Paper.
>>
>> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>>
>> //
>> ID: 8033
>> Title: Gray Land and the Fountain
>> Adoption index: 2.0
>> Author: Kenyon
>> Co-authors: Aris, Cuddle Beam, Gaelan, Trigon
>>
>>
>> Amend "Land Types" (Power=2.0):
>> Replace "whose values are "Black", "White", and "Aether"", with the
>> text "whose values are "Black", "White", "Gray", and "Aether""
>>
>> Create a new rule "Facility Categories", (Power=2.0):
>> A facility's Category is a switch whose possible values are
>> “Production”, “Processing”, “Monument”, and “Miscellaneous”.  An “x
>> facility”, where x is a Category, refers to a facility that has
>> Category switch set to x.
>>
>> Amend "Asset Generation with Facilities" (Power=2.0) to read the following:
>>   When an Production or Processing facility creates assets, the assets
>>   are added to the facility's possession. The rule that creates an
>>   Production or Processing facility CAN specify a carrying capacity for
>>   assets. If, at any time, the amount of an asset in the possession of an
>>   Production or Processing facility exceeds that asset's carrying
>>   capacity, an amount of that asset is destroyed until the amount of that
>>   asset in the possession of the facility is equal to its carrying
>>   capacity.
>>
>>   At the end of every Agoran Week, Agora creates a number of assets in a
>>   Production facility specified by the rule which creates the facility.
>>
>>   At the end of every Agoran Week, Agora destroys any refinable assets in
>>   the possession of each Processing facility that that facility ca

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Ned Strange]

I create the following proposal (all should remember that I did
already spend a coin to make the contract)
Title: V.J. Rada Equitable Remedy.
Text: If the Contract "Hi!" does not exist, create in V.J. Rada's
possession assets equal to the assets in that Contract at the moment
before its destruction. If that Contract still exists, destroy it and
then create in V.J. Rada's possession assets equal to the assets in
that Contract at the moment before its destruction.

Then, transfer one paper and one coin from V.J. Rada to whoever pended
this proposal. Then, transfer one coin to any player that voted for
this proposal.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Corona <liliumalbum.ag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about amending "Hi" in such a way that everyone gets a coin and VJ Rada 
> gets the rest back? I wouldn't object to that.
>
> On 10:13, Apr 12, 2018, at 10:13, Aris Merchant 
> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Sigh. I tend to agree with you, actually. All of your assets is a bit
>>much.
>>That might be hard to recover from. However, it isn't terribly
>>equitable
>>for you to get off free after attempting a scam, even one that we've
>>sort
>>of encouraged with the Boo Lien system. Also, giving all of your assets
>>to
>>one contract is always a horrible idea. I'm curious what other think.
>>Maybe
>>you should get 1/2 or 3/4 or something of them back? Whatever it is,
>>we'd
>>need to come up with something that no one would object to, considering
>>that the contract can only be amended without objection (also always a
>>bad
>>idea not to provide a way to amend a contract).
>>
>>-Aris
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:09 AM Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I really do think that me losing all of my assets over this is
>>inequitable.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Ned Strange
>><edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange
>><edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> I object both for myself and PSS.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
>>> >> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim
>>your
>>> >>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2
>>Agoran
>>> >>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -Aris
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange
>><edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the
>>new
>>> >>>> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself
>>by
>>> >>>> announcement".
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <
>>> edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection.
>>The
>>> new
>>> >>>> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all
>>assets
>>> from
>>> >>>> > this contract by announcement".
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > --
>>> >>>> > From V.J. Rada
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> From V.J. Rada
>>> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> From V.J. Rada
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>



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BUS: Sillyness

[Ned Strange]

I designate myself the Silly Person

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Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Ned Strange]

That is, I object for myself and PSS to Aris's intent

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I object both for myself and PSS.
>
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
> <thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your
>> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran
>> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new
>>> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by
>>> announcement".
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new
>>> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from
>>> > this contract by announcement".
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > From V.J. Rada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J. Rada
>>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



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Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Ned Strange]

I object both for myself and PSS.

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:37 PM, Aris Merchant
<thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I object. There is no reason we should allow you to reclaim your
> assets from a badly designed scam contract. I intend, with 2 Agoran
> consent, to destroy the contract "Hi".
>
> -Aris
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 7:13 PM Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new
>> text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by
>> announcement".
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new
>> > text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from
>> > this contract by announcement".
>> >
>> > --
>> > From V.J. Rada
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J. Rada
>>



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Re: BUS: Contract Amendment

[Ned Strange]

I object and intend to amend "Hi!" without objection to have the new
text "VJ Rada can transfer all assets in this contract to emself by
announcement".

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ned Strange <edwardostra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new
> text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from
> this contract by announcement".
>
> --
> From V.J. Rada



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BUS: Contract Amendment

[Ned Strange]

I intend to amend the contract called "Hi", without objection. The new
text of that contract would state "VJ Rada can remove all assets from
this contract by announcement".

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BUS: Re: OFF: deputy-[Referee] Weekly Report

[Ned Strange]

Alert: As this report does not contain pledges, it is no report at
all. You are no referee but a mere IMPOSTOR

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:04 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> I deputize for the Referee to publish the following weekly report:
>
>  
>   Referee's Weekly Report
>  
>
>No one has any Blots.  No instances of blots currently exist.
>
>  -end of report--
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
>> I resign Referee. Gnomic is starting to get inertia with its initial
>> culture and history and I'd like to help it out (it's also why I've been
>> away lately, sorry).
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > As I mentioned several days ago, I plan in future to point fingers at
>> > officers who miss two successive weekly reports. Just to set a good
>> > standard going forward! (Others may still enforce a tougher standard
>> > if they wish, of course).
>> >
>> > When this week ends in ~28 hours, officers who would be blotted would
>> > be Corona (Herald's weekly) and CuddleBeam (Referee's weekly).
>> >
>> > (If I missed a report my apologies, I'll double-check before blotting).
>> >
>> > -G.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>



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