Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

No I mean just using it to raise cash.  More interesting than just collecting
a minimum wage, requires some effort at least.  That's why I suggested making
a higher-creation-rate version that couldn't be collected for a Win.  (I mean
a minimum wage is the ultimate "just sitting there").

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> Routinely buying Stamps low and selling high to eventually buy your win 
> doesn't 
> feel very interesting to me (but I'm doing it myself because it's just the 
> best 
> thing to do rn). It's just sitting and getting
> your loyalty card stamped and then getting rewarded for it.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
>   On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>   > This is the core of G.’s protest: there’s nothing to drive 
> transaction volume,
>   > so prices sink inexorably towards the lowest value they _can_ reach.
> 
>   Seeing the recent fluctuation, Stamp speculation seems like a nice ride 
> to jump
>   on, especially since if you buy a stamp low, you then want to spend 
> additional
>   shinies to drive the price up.  A monthly stamp is too low volume to 
> support
>   speculation, maybe make a different Series (a bond) with a faster 
> creation rate
>   (but no Win attached).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

Routinely buying Stamps low and selling high to eventually buy your win
doesn't feel very interesting to me (but I'm doing it myself because it's
just the best thing to do rn). It's just sitting and getting your loyalty
card stamped and then getting rewarded for it.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > This is the core of G.’s protest: there’s nothing to drive transaction
> volume,
> > so prices sink inexorably towards the lowest value they _can_ reach.
>
> Seeing the recent fluctuation, Stamp speculation seems like a nice ride to
> jump
> on, especially since if you buy a stamp low, you then want to spend
> additional
> shinies to drive the price up.  A monthly stamp is too low volume to
> support
> speculation, maybe make a different Series (a bond) with a faster creation
> rate
> (but no Win attached).
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> This is the core of G.’s protest: there’s nothing to drive transaction 
> volume, 
> so prices sink inexorably towards the lowest value they _can_ reach.

Seeing the recent fluctuation, Stamp speculation seems like a nice ride to jump
on, especially since if you buy a stamp low, you then want to spend additional 
shinies to drive the price up.  A monthly stamp is too low volume to support
speculation, maybe make a different Series (a bond) with a faster creation rate
(but no Win attached).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:49 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P
> 
> No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome 
> Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's just 
> too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in total, 
> imo. If we had more banknotes, it would be less of a problem. We should 
> adjust the floating value stuff a bit too with it though imo.

I tend to agree that the Welcome Packages are too large. More generally, I 
think the fixed prices need reconciling a bit to bring the immediate gameplay 
utility and the relative payoff into closer alignment, and the ratios between 
the various floating-price rewards and costs adjusted a bit in the same vein.

-o




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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Owen Jacobson]

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?

Look at the current situation.

We have, nominally, 1k shinies. As of the start of the week, over 90% of them 
were in the hands of players. During the week, even with a situation casting 
some doubt on the validity of sh.-denominated transactions, we moved 130 sh. 
around.

The effective transaction volume is dominated by small transactions, while most 
of the “circulating” shinies are in fact in stockpiles. (Yes, including mine. I 
owned around 10% of all Shinies at the start of the week, and PSS another 10%.) 
I’m not sure that adding more shinies would meaningfully cause much inflation 
in the actual prices, in the medium term, unless we did something to address 
stockpiling, but it _would_ cause the Floating Value to spike for a while, 
locking some (all, if we kicked the FV up to 3,000 at a stroke) players out of 
FV-limited actions for a while until enough shinies enter circulation.

This is the core of G.’s protest: there’s nothing to drive transaction volume, 
so prices sink inexorably towards the lowest value they _can_ reach. We’re 
demonstrably holding onto shinies until we’re sure we’re maximizing the utility 
of spending them. Therefore, kicking the FV up will make stockpiling worse 
without really doing anything to address liquidity.

I strongly suspect we need a basic revenue for all players for Shinies to 
remain effective and fun. This is a purely pragmatic stance, as I like seeing 
the game more active, and hoarding is the opposite of that. I suspect we also 
need a use-it-or-lose-it mechanic, so that large stockpiles don’t act as an 
effective trump card. (Who wants to bid against PSS or I on an Estate auction, 
as things stand?)

-o



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

If they were my friend, they would say Publius. In writing, they would write P. 
Scribonius.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 9:07 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
>> paste whenever I need it :P )
> 
> Actually I've been meaning to ask:  how would a fellow Roman back in the
> day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)?
> Would it be "Publius"?  Dunno much about how Roman family names work, but
> being classically correct is probably perferrable to using "PSS"...
> 
> -G.  (actually pronounced "Goethe", alt. "Gravity")
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

Likely much like we do today lol.

Roman grafitti is very funny and strikingly similar to us nowadays:
http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and
> copy/
> > paste whenever I need it :P )
>
> Actually I've been meaning to ask:  how would a fellow Roman back in the
> day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)?
> Would it be "Publius"?  Dunno much about how Roman family names work, but
> being classically correct is probably perferrable to using "PSS"...
>
> -G.  (actually pronounced "Goethe", alt. "Gravity")
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
> paste whenever I need it :P )

Actually I've been meaning to ask:  how would a fellow Roman back in the
day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)?
Would it be "Publius"?  Dunno much about how Roman family names work, but
being classically correct is probably perferrable to using "PSS"...

-G.  (actually pronounced "Goethe", alt. "Gravity")

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

I suppose it's better than "Josh". Don't overdo it, I guess, but it's not
like I can stop you.

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 20:58, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol)
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and
>> copy/
>> paste whenever I need it :P )
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> > Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration
>> back
>> > then, but couldn't find it.
>> >
>> > I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
>> > know where to find it :).
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
>> > > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it
>> when the
>> > > CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and
>> provide
>> > > a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is
>> "amatsukagitsune"
>> > > and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are
>> other
>> > > meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that
>> way).
>> > > I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence
>> flow
>> > > better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears
>> as I
>> > > sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no
>> more
>> > > mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
>> > > 天火狐
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol)

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
> paste whenever I need it :P )
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration
> back
> > then, but couldn't find it.
> >
> > I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
> > know where to find it :).
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
> > > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it
> when the
> > > CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and
> provide
> > > a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is
> "amatsukagitsune"
> > > and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are
> other
> > > meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that
> way).
> > > I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence
> flow
> > > better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears
> as I
> > > sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no
> more
> > > mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
> > > 天火狐
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

(also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
paste whenever I need it :P )

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: 
> Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back
> then, but couldn't find it.
> 
> I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
> know where to find it :).
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
> > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when 
> > the 
> > CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and provide
> > a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is 
> > "amatsukagitsune"
> > and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are other
> > meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that way). 
> > I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence flow
> > better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears as I
> > sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no more
> > mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
> > 天火狐

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back
then, but couldn't find it.

I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
know where to find it :).

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
> I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when the 
> CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and provide
> a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is 
> "amatsukagitsune"
> and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are other
> meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that way). 
> I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence flow
> better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears as I
> sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no more
> mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 20:26, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
>   天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of
>   the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"?
>   (I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation
>   IIRC).  I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go
>   copy and paste when referring to you.
> 
>   On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>   > yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.
>   >
>   > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   >  wrote:
>   > > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports 
> contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future.
>   > > 
>   > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>   > >>
>   > >> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
>   > >>
>   > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > >>  wrote:
>   > >>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
>   > >>> 
>   > >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   >  On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  
> wrote:
>   > 
>   >  Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
>   > 
>   >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T 
>  wrote:
>   >  I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not 
> what the header says.
>   > 
>   >  天火狐
>   > 
>   >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam 
>  wrote:
>   >  @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>   > 
>   >  I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your 
> Agency and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>   > 
>   >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
>  wrote:
>   > > Vote purchases/sells when
>   > 
>   >  Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>   > 
>   >  天火狐
>   > 
>   >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam 
>  wrote:
>   >  I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain 
> with though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>   > 
>   >  Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship 
> a lot, I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>   > 
>   > > Loan Bank when
>   > > AP brokers when
>   > > Vote purchase/sells when
>   > 
>   >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
>   >  This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>   >  
>   >  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   >  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>  wrote:
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and 
> privately
>   > > finance eir debt.
>   > >
>   > > Other ideas:
>   > > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a 
> good one,
>   > >   as part of the float calculations possibly.
>   > >
>   > > - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious 
> if the
>   > >   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when
the CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and
provide a preferred reading.

The preferred reading/transliteration is "amatsukagitsune" and translates
to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are other meanings
possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that way). I
suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence flow
better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears as I
sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no more
mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 20:26, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> 天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of
> the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"?
> (I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation
> IIRC).  I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go
> copy and paste when referring to you.
>
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> > yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> > > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports
> contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future.
> > > 
> > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> > 
> >  Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
> > 
> >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T 
> wrote:
> >  I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what
> the header says.
> > 
> >  天火狐
> > 
> >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >  @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> > 
> >  I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your
> Agency and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> > 
> >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
> wrote:
> > > Vote purchases/sells when
> > 
> >  Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> > 
> >  天火狐
> > 
> >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >  I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with
> though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> > 
> >  Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a
> lot, I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> > 
> > > Loan Bank when
> > > AP brokers when
> > > Vote purchase/sells when
> > 
> >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >  This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> >  
> >  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and
> privately
> > > finance eir debt.
> > >
> > > Other ideas:
> > > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good
> one,
> > >   as part of the float calculations possibly.
> > >
> > > - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if
> the
> > >   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some
> fraction
> > >   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much
> more
> > >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> > >>
> > >> -Aris
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam <
> cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> > >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> > >>> example.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>>  wrote:
> > 
> >  I 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of
the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"?
(I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation
IIRC).  I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go
copy and paste when referring to you.

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
> > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports 
> > contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future.
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >>
> >> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
> >>> 
> >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
>  Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  
>  wrote:
>  I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the 
>  header says.
> 
>  天火狐
> 
>  On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>  @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> 
>  I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency 
>  and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  
>  wrote:
> > Vote purchases/sells when
> 
>  Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> 
>  天火狐
> 
>  On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>  I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with 
>  though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> 
>  Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, 
>  I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> 
> > Loan Bank when
> > AP brokers when
> > Vote purchase/sells when
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>   wrote:
>  This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >   as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> > - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  
> >> wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the 
> >>> economy will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies 
> >>> available, for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. 
>  You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork 
>  of the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo 
>  for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum 
> > salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict 
> that and if they don’t they will in the future.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

 Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
 I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the 
 header says.

 天火狐

 On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
 @Josh we really need that corkboard.

 I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency 
 and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> Vote purchases/sells when

 Have you not seen my latest Agency?

 天火狐

 On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
 I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, 
 to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.

 Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, 
 I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.

> Loan Bank when
> AP brokers when
> Vote purchase/sells when

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
  wrote:
 This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
>
> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> finance eir debt.
>
> Other ideas:
> - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>   as part of the float calculations possibly.
>
> - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  
>> wrote:
>>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
>>> will
>>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies 
>>> available, for
>>> example.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  wrote:

 I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. 
 You
 can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork 
 of the
 ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
 comment.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join 
>> and
>> Leave Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> consent.
>>
>> A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>>
>> If a player has not sent a message to 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict 
that and if they don’t they will in the future.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
>>> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the 
>>> header says.
>>> 
>>> 天火狐
>>> 
>>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>>> 
>>> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
>>> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
 Vote purchases/sells when
>>> 
>>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>> 
>>> 天火狐
>>> 
>>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, 
>>> to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>> 
>>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
>>> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>> 
 Loan Bank when
 AP brokers when
 Vote purchase/sells when
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>>>  wrote:
>>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
 
 
 
 Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
 finance eir debt.
 
 Other ideas:
 - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
   as part of the float calculations possibly.
 
 - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
>> will
>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
>> for
>> example.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>>> the
>>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>> comment.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
 wrote:
 
 
 
 A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
 or other basic shiny supply is passed.
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> consent.
> 
> A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
> 
> If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>
>> Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
>> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header 
>> says.
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>>
>> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
>> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
>> > Vote purchases/sells when
>>
>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to 
>> start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>
>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
>> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>
>> >Loan Bank when
>> >AP brokers when
>> >Vote purchase/sells when
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>>  wrote:
>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>> > finance eir debt.
>> >
>> > Other ideas:
>> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
>> >
>> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> >>
>> >> -Aris
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
>> >>> will
>> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
>> >>> for
>> >>> example.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>>  the
>>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>  comment.
>>  
>>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>> >> Leave Agora
>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >>  consent.
>> >>
>> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >>
>> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header 
> says.
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> 
> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> > Vote purchases/sells when
> 
> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to 
> start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> 
> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> 
> >Loan Bank when
> >AP brokers when
> >Vote purchase/sells when
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
> >>> will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
> >>> for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>  the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:

> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the
> header says.
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
>> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>>
>> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency
>> and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Vote purchases/sells when
>>>
>>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>>
>>> 天火狐
>>>
>>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>>
 I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with
 though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.

 Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
 I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.

 >Loan Bank when
 >AP brokers when
 >Vote purchase/sells when

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and
> privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good
> one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if
> the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some
> fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much
> more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
> ideas. You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
> fork of the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a
> photo for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
> Join and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
> player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the
> last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

For me those are the same.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> 
> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header 
> says.
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> 
> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> > Vote purchases/sells when
> 
> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to 
> start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> 
> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> 
> >Loan Bank when
> >AP brokers when
> >Vote purchase/sells when
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
> >>> will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
> >>> for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>  the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the
header says.

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>
> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency
> and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
> wrote:
>
>> > Vote purchases/sells when
>>
>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with
>>> though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>>
>>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
>>> I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>>
>>> >Loan Bank when
>>> >AP brokers when
>>> >Vote purchase/sells when
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



 > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
 wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and
 privately
 > finance eir debt.
 >
 > Other ideas:
 >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good
 one,
 >as part of the float calculations possibly.
 >
 >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
 >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
 >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
 >
 > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
 >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much
 more
 >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
 >>
 >> -Aris
 >>
 >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
 wrote:
 >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
 economy will
 >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
 available, for
 >>> example.
 >>>
 >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 >>>  wrote:
 
  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
 ideas. You
  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
 fork of the
  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a
 photo for
  comment.
  
  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
 wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
 salary
 > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
 >
 > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
 >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
 >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
 Join and
 >> Leave Agora
 >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
 >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
 >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
 >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
 >>  consent.
 >>
 >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
 >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
 >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
 player
 >> +  for 30 days.
 >>
 >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
 >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
 >> }
 >> 
 >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 
 >>>
 >>


>>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

@Josh we really need that corkboard.

I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and
I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:

> > Vote purchases/sells when
>
> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though,
>> to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>
>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
>> I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>
>> >Loan Bank when
>> >AP brokers when
>> >Vote purchase/sells when
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>>> > finance eir debt.
>>> >
>>> > Other ideas:
>>> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>>> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
>>> >
>>> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>>> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>>> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>>> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>>> >>
>>> >> -Aris
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
>>> economy will
>>> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
>>> available, for
>>> >>> example.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> >>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
>>> ideas. You
>>>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
>>> fork of the
>>>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
>>> for
>>>  comment.
>>>  
>>>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>>> salary
>>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
>>> Join and
>>> >> Leave Agora
>>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>> >>  consent.
>>> >>
>>> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>> >> +  for 30 days.
>>> >>
>>> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>> >> }
>>> >> 
>>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

> Vote purchases/sells when

Have you not seen my latest Agency?

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though,
> to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>
> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
> I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>
> >Loan Bank when
> >AP brokers when
> >Vote purchase/sells when
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>> > finance eir debt.
>> >
>> > Other ideas:
>> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
>> >
>> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> >>
>> >> -Aris
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>> wrote:
>> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
>> economy will
>> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
>> available, for
>> >>> example.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
>> You
>>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
>> of the
>>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
>> for
>>  comment.
>>  
>>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>> salary
>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
>> and
>> >> Leave Agora
>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >>  consent.
>> >>
>> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >>
>> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though,
to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.

Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd
love to see people open businesses and make business myself.

>Loan Bank when
>AP brokers when
>Vote purchase/sells when

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
> You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
> of the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
> for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
> and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> finance eir debt.
> 
> Other ideas:
>  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>as part of the float calculations possibly.
> 
>  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> 
>> -Aris
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
>>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
>>> example.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  wrote:
 
 I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
 can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
 ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
 comment.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>> Leave Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>  consent.
>> 
>>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>> 
>>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 
>>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I like this a LOT.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:30 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give
> it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when
> you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration rules. New
> players get all their money from starting a goddamn business, or
> charity.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> >> finance eir debt.
> >>
> >> Other ideas:
> >>   - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >> as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >>
> >>   - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >> downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >> of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> > than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >> >
> >> > -Aris
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> >> > > economy will
> >> > > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> >> > > available, for
> >> > > example.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
> ideas.
> >> > >> You
> >> > >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
> fork
> >> > >> of the
> >> > >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> comment.
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> >> > >> > salary
> >> > >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> > >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> > >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
> Join
> >> > >> >> and
> >> > >> >> Leave Agora
> >> > >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> > >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> > >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> > >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >> > >> >>   consent.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by
> announcement.
> >> > >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> > >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
> player
> >> > >> >> +  for 30 days.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the
> last
> >> > >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> > >> >> }
> >> > >> >> 
> >> > >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> > >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give
it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when
you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration rules. New
players get all their money from starting a goddamn business, or
charity.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>> finance eir debt.
>>
>> Other ideas:
>>   - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>> as part of the float calculations possibly.
>>
>>   - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>> downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>> of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> > than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> >
>> > -Aris
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>> > wrote:
>> > > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
>> > > economy will
>> > > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
>> > > available, for
>> > > example.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
>> > >> You
>> > >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
>> > >> of the
>> > >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
>> > >> for
>> > >> comment.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>> > >> > salary
>> > >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> > >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> > >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> Leave Agora
>> > >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> > >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> > >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> > >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> > >> >>   consent.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> > >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> > >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> > >> >> +  for 30 days.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> > >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> > >> >> }
>> > >> >> 
>> > >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> > >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> finance eir debt.
>
> Other ideas:
>   - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> as part of the float calculations possibly.
>
>   - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> > than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> > > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> > > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> > > example.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
> You
> > >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
> of the
> > >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
> for
> > >> comment.
> > >> 
> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> > >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> > >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
> and
> > >> >> Leave Agora
> > >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> > >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> > >> >>   consent.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> > >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> > >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> > >> >> +  for 30 days.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> > >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> > >> >> }
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
finance eir debt.

Other ideas:  
  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
as part of the float calculations possibly.

  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
> > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
> > example.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
> >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
> >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
> >> comment.
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> >> >> Leave Agora
> >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >> >>   consent.
> >> >>
> >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> >> +  for 30 days.
> >> >>
> >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> >> }
> >> >> 
> >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Aris Merchant]

The reason Agora has a shiny crisis is that the number of existing
players weren't accounted for when deciding how much the Supply Level
should be. It really needed to be 2000, to give us more of a margin.
Oh well.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P
>
> No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome
> Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's
> just too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in
> total, imo. If we had more banknotes, it would be less of a problem. We
> should adjust the floating value stuff a bit too with it though imo.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>>
>> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy
>> > will
>> > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available,
>> > for
>> > example.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
>> >> You
>> >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of
>> >> the
>> >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>> >> comment.
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>> >> > salary
>> >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Leave Agora
>> >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >> >>   consent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> >> }
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

There's also the problem that it's actually desirable to keep Agora as bone
dry as possible, to manipulate the Floating Value.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:49 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency
> fund" of 100 or so now, and then whenever a new player joins increase
> agora's balance by that %.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having
> > less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two
> > people passing their assets back and forth.
> >
> >   in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution
> > pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts and schemes,
> > I think the only way to get around it is to tie it to expected income,
> > rather than holdings (e.g. Officers get less, having to resign offices
> > to get the reward is more of a deterrent).
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:
> >
> >> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0
> stamps and less than the current stamp value in shinies can
> >> and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at
> 00:00 on the first of the month.
> >>
> >> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>   A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> >>   or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >>
> >>   On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >>   > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >>   > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
> Join and Leave Agora
> >>   > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >>   > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >>   > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >>   > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>   >consent.
> >>   >
> >>   >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by
> announcement.
> >>   > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >>   > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
> player
> >>   > +  for 30 days.
> >>   >
> >>   >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the
> last
> >>   >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >>   > }
> >>   > 
> >>   > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>   > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P

No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome
Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's
just too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in
total, imo. If we had more banknotes, it would be less of a problem. We
should adjust the floating value stuff a bit too with it though imo.


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy
> will
> > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available,
> for
> > example.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
> >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of
> the
> >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
> >> comment.
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
> and
> >> >> Leave Agora
> >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >> >>   consent.
> >> >>
> >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> >> +  for 30 days.
> >> >>
> >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> >> }
> >> >> 
> >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency
fund" of 100 or so now, and then whenever a new player joins increase
agora's balance by that %.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having
> less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two
> people passing their assets back and forth.
>
>   in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution
> pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts and schemes,
> I think the only way to get around it is to tie it to expected income,
> rather than holdings (e.g. Officers get less, having to resign offices
> to get the reward is more of a deterrent).
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:
>
>> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps 
>> and less than the current stamp value in shinies can
>> and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 
>> on the first of the month.
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>   A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>>   or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>>
>>   On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>   > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>   > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join 
>> and Leave Agora
>>   > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>   > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>   > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>   > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   >consent.
>>   >
>>   >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>   > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>   > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>   > +  for 30 days.
>>   >
>>   >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>   > }
>>   > 
>>   > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>   > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >
>>
>>
>>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

How would you feel about it if nichdel’s changes were used?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it now.
> Also, see my comments on "Not So Cuddly Now" regarding my views about
> this style of proposal.
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
>> Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   consent.
>> 
>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>> 
>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having
less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two 
people passing their assets back and forth.

  in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution 
pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts and schemes,
I think the only way to get around it is to tie it to expected income,
rather than holdings (e.g. Officers get less, having to resign offices
to get the reward is more of a deterrent).

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:

> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps and 
> less than the current stamp value in shinies can
> and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on 
> the first of the month.
> 
> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
> 
> 
>   A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>   or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
>   On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>   > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>   > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join 
> and Leave Agora
>   > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>   > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>   > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>   > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>   >    consent.
>   >
>   >    A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>   > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>   > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>   > +  for 30 days.
>   >
>   >    If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>   >    month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>   > }
>   > 
>   > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

i mean agora is  broke and people cant get welcome packages. not like
inflation matters that much because price of things that people
actually buy is rulically fixed. ppl ain't exchanging w/ each other
much rn.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
>> example.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
>>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>> comment.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>>> >> Leave Agora
>>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>> >>   consent.
>>> >>
>>> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>> >> +  for 30 days.
>>> >>
>>> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>> >> }
>>> >> 
>>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>



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DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Aris Merchant]

P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it now.
Also, see my comments on "Not So Cuddly Now" regarding my views about
this style of proposal.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
> Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>consent.
>
>A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
>
>If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

My way will be automated in a variety of ways. If you would like to contribute, 
I can add you as a collaborator.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
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> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
>> example.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
>>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>> comment.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
 
 
 
 A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
 or other basic shiny supply is passed.
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>  consent.
> 
>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
> 
>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Aris Merchant]

Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
than that is a tad extreme, no?

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
> example.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>>
>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>> comment.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>> >> Leave Agora
>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >>   consent.
>> >>
>> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >>
>> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy
will destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
available, for example.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
> comment.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>   consent.
> >>
> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You can 
view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the 
ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for comment.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
>> Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   consent.
>> 
>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>> 
>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I like this idea, but how are things handled when Agora has too few shinies.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
> 
> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps and 
> less than the current stamp value in shinies can and may claim enough shinies 
> to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on the first of the month.
> 
> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
> 
> 
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and 
> > Leave Agora
> > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >consent.
> >
> >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> > +  for 30 days.
> >
> >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> > }
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Nicholas Evans]

Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps
and less than the current stamp value in shinies can and may claim enough
shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on the first of the
month.

On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:

>
>
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >consent.
> >
> >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> > +  for 30 days.
> >
> >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> > }
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
or other basic shiny supply is passed.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
> Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>consent.
> 
>A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
> 
>If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Nic Evans]

On 09/10/17 16:40, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this 
> and replacing it?
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com

I don't think it's necessary, the intent seems unambiguous to me.
They're more style suggestions than anything else.

>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
>>
>> WRT to this style of proposal:
>>
>>
>> On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and 
>>> Leave Agora
>>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>>   consent.
>> I'd remove all this part and possibly replace it with a quick blurb
>> stating "Amend RXXX: by adding the lines starting with + and removing
>> the lines starting with -". A simple wrapper script could do most of
>> that work, and it'd be more readable to people not familiar with diffs.
>>
>>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>> +  for 30 days.
>> This looks nice.
>>
>>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>> }
>> I'd also trim the context that diffs leave in.
>>
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>




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[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this 
and replacing it?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> 
> WRT to this style of proposal:
> 
> 
> On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
>> Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   consent.
> 
> I'd remove all this part and possibly replace it with a quick blurb
> stating "Amend RXXX: by adding the lines starting with + and removing
> the lines starting with -". A simple wrapper script could do most of
> that work, and it'd be more readable to people not familiar with diffs.
> 
>> 
>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
> 
> This looks nice.
> 
>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
> 
> I'd also trim the context that diffs leave in.
> 
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Nic Evans]

WRT to this style of proposal:


On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
> Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>consent.

I'd remove all this part and possibly replace it with a quick blurb
stating "Amend RXXX: by adding the lines starting with + and removing
the lines starting with -". A simple wrapper script could do most of
that work, and it'd be more readable to people not familiar with diffs.

>
>A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.

This looks nice.

>If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }

I'd also trim the context that diffs leave in.

> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>




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