Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On 9 May 2013 01:13, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: If such a proposal were to pass, I would gladly volunteer to serve as the officer. Additionally, I think we ought to start planning specific events for the vigintennial. Otherwise, I imagine I would email old players, telling them about the vigintennial, and asking if they want to be involved. Someone would probably respond with Sure, what do you want me to do? And to that question, I would have no answer. Therefore, I think we should try to start planning a series of games, celebrations, and events, some that could be played leading up to the event, and others that could be enacted around the event. Things I just pulled off the top of my head. Please offer additions: 1. An accelerated game of Nomic, starting from Agora's initial ruleset (possibly slightly modified if necessary), but made so that timelimits are extremely short. The game would have an immutable rule ending it within a week if it hadn't already, the winner being the player with the most points. Hopefully we would start this game one week before the vigintennial, with the winner being crowned on July 30th. 2. A creativity competition. Entrants would be tasked with creating, in any medium, a work which utilized as its subject matter Agora's 20 years of existence. 3. Agoran pub trivia. We would all meet on irc or something similar one night and have a pub trivia-esque contest on the history of Agora. 4. Some event which involves Peter Suber if we can get him on board. This could be as simple as asking him to comment on the progression of Agora, and specifically some of the current state of Agora. Even better would be if we could get him involved in some of our competitions or festivities. The winners of all of these events could be given patent titles, etc. T-minus thirteen days, roughly. Yally, are you still interested in organising some of this? The proposal to make these suggestions official failed quorum, but it can still be done informally with patent titles awarded after the birthday. -- Walker
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1. An accelerated game of Nomic, starting from Agora's initial ruleset (possibly slightly modified if necessary), but made so that timelimits are extremely short. The game would have an immutable rule ending it within a week if it hadn't already, the winner being the player with the most points. Hopefully we would start this game one week before the vigintennial, with the winner being crowned on July 30th. Well, my own experience with PBM suggests that anything faster than 24 hour cycles will really make continuous participation difficult for most people. Unless, that is, you go all the way to a live game, held in a single sitting (several hours from beginning to end, on IRC or something). Now, I myself, having been recently handed a mildly humiliating defeat in another PBM game, and having had yet another one put on hold for a bit, find that I can commit a regular timeslot every day until the end of the month, as would behoove, say, the Speaker of a 24h game. So, given that time is ticking and that nobody is jumping on this, I'm going to proceed in the spirit of the quote in R1727: I'm starting a 24h game on agora-business imminently. Once the game is over, if it pleases Agora, the Herald can award the winner a Patent Title or whatever is felt appropriate. Or, if there was not sufficient interest, or the game was in some other way unworthy of Agora's recognition, then it can simply be ignored (and if our presence on agora-business annoys the non-players, we can move). All aboard! -Dan
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 May 2013 01:13, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: If such a proposal were to pass, I would gladly volunteer to serve as the officer. Additionally, I think we ought to start planning specific events for the vigintennial. Otherwise, I imagine I would email old players, telling them about the vigintennial, and asking if they want to be involved. Someone would probably respond with Sure, what do you want me to do? And to that question, I would have no answer. Therefore, I think we should try to start planning a series of games, celebrations, and events, some that could be played leading up to the event, and others that could be enacted around the event. Things I just pulled off the top of my head. Please offer additions: 1. An accelerated game of Nomic, starting from Agora's initial ruleset (possibly slightly modified if necessary), but made so that timelimits are extremely short. The game would have an immutable rule ending it within a week if it hadn't already, the winner being the player with the most points. Hopefully we would start this game one week before the vigintennial, with the winner being crowned on July 30th. 2. A creativity competition. Entrants would be tasked with creating, in any medium, a work which utilized as its subject matter Agora's 20 years of existence. 3. Agoran pub trivia. We would all meet on irc or something similar one night and have a pub trivia-esque contest on the history of Agora. 4. Some event which involves Peter Suber if we can get him on board. This could be as simple as asking him to comment on the progression of Agora, and specifically some of the current state of Agora. Even better would be if we could get him involved in some of our competitions or festivities. The winners of all of these events could be given patent titles, etc. T-minus thirteen days, roughly. Yally, are you still interested in organising some of this? The proposal to make these suggestions official failed quorum, but it can still be done informally with patent titles awarded after the birthday. -- Walker I could, I suppose. I won't have a ton of time coming up, so I don't want to commit myself to too much. I encourage anyone to try to enact any festivities on the above list, or of eir own creation, as the Vigintennial quickly approaches. I also see no reason why some of these elements can't continue on past the 30th as well, continuing with their purpose of celebrating the Vigintennial. I'll start work on some of these items, and I'll send a message to the list as I accomplish things. I encourage others to do the same.
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
I just emailed Peter Suber, inviting him to our events and asking for any commentary he might have. I will forward any response I receive. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 May 2013 01:13, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: If such a proposal were to pass, I would gladly volunteer to serve as the officer. Additionally, I think we ought to start planning specific events for the vigintennial. Otherwise, I imagine I would email old players, telling them about the vigintennial, and asking if they want to be involved. Someone would probably respond with Sure, what do you want me to do? And to that question, I would have no answer. Therefore, I think we should try to start planning a series of games, celebrations, and events, some that could be played leading up to the event, and others that could be enacted around the event. Things I just pulled off the top of my head. Please offer additions: 1. An accelerated game of Nomic, starting from Agora's initial ruleset (possibly slightly modified if necessary), but made so that timelimits are extremely short. The game would have an immutable rule ending it within a week if it hadn't already, the winner being the player with the most points. Hopefully we would start this game one week before the vigintennial, with the winner being crowned on July 30th. 2. A creativity competition. Entrants would be tasked with creating, in any medium, a work which utilized as its subject matter Agora's 20 years of existence. 3. Agoran pub trivia. We would all meet on irc or something similar one night and have a pub trivia-esque contest on the history of Agora. 4. Some event which involves Peter Suber if we can get him on board. This could be as simple as asking him to comment on the progression of Agora, and specifically some of the current state of Agora. Even better would be if we could get him involved in some of our competitions or festivities. The winners of all of these events could be given patent titles, etc. T-minus thirteen days, roughly. Yally, are you still interested in organising some of this? The proposal to make these suggestions official failed quorum, but it can still be done informally with patent titles awarded after the birthday. -- Walker I could, I suppose. I won't have a ton of time coming up, so I don't want to commit myself to too much. I encourage anyone to try to enact any festivities on the above list, or of eir own creation, as the Vigintennial quickly approaches. I also see no reason why some of these elements can't continue on past the 30th as well, continuing with their purpose of celebrating the Vigintennial. I'll start work on some of these items, and I'll send a message to the list as I accomplish things. I encourage others to do the same.
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I just emailed Peter Suber, inviting him to our events and asking for any commentary he might have. I will forward any response I receive. Any others? Michael Norrish, some of the other initial players (perhaps other than Steve and David Nicol, who are Watchers)?
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
Within the next day or two, I'm going to try to email as many players listed in the Registrar's report as I can. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:15 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I just emailed Peter Suber, inviting him to our events and asking for any commentary he might have. I will forward any response I receive. Any others? Michael Norrish, some of the other initial players (perhaps other than Steve and David Nicol, who are Watchers)?
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On 9 May 2013 01:13, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Things I just pulled off the top of my head. Please offer additions: 1. An accelerated game of Nomic, starting from Agora's initial ruleset (possibly slightly modified if necessary), but made so that timelimits are extremely short. The game would have an immutable rule ending it within a week if it hadn't already, the winner being the player with the most points. Hopefully we would start this game one week before the vigintennial, with the winner being crowned on July 30th. How short are the time limits you're thinking of? A day? 12 hours? 1 hour? I like all of the ideas. Should there be a 'Vigintennial contests' rule or should these events happen outside of the Rules? If the latter, patent titles could be awarded via proposal. Or, I could just add The Comptroller SHALL arrange X and Y contests to my proto, describing X and Y in general terms. -- Walker
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 May 2013 19:43, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The Registrar's history section has contact information for nearly every player in Agora's history (not that it's necessarily all current). For those we don't have current history on, a little googling could probably turn this sort of thing up, especially if we know the player's real name. Bump. Proto: Agora's Twentieth Birthday shall be known as the Vigintennial. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is an office; its holder is responsible for organising the celebration of the Vigintennial. A player CAN, with two support, make a former player of Agora an Ancient; the Comptroller SHALL make a reasonable effort to invite each Ancient to contribute to and partake in the celebration of the Vigintennial. The Comptroller SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, submit a proposal regarding the Vigintennial and make a reasonable effort to ensure that it is distributed. The Comptroller SHALL be responsible, as part of eir weekly duties, for publicising the Vigintennial both to former players of Agora and to the general public, and for encouraging em to participate in its celebration. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is a patent title; in a timely fashion after the Vigintennial, the Herald SHALL award it to the holder of the office of the same name. Also, enact something similar to R2307. -- Walker If such a proposal were to pass, I would gladly volunteer to serve as the officer. Additionally, I think we ought to start planning specific events for the vigintennial. Otherwise, I imagine I would email old players, telling them about the vigintennial, and asking if they want to be involved. Someone would probably respond with Sure, what do you want me to do? And to that question, I would have no answer. Therefore, I think we should try to start planning a series of games, celebrations, and events, some that could be played leading up to the event, and others that could be enacted around the event. Things I just pulled off the top of my head. Please offer additions: 1. An accelerated game of Nomic, starting from Agora's initial ruleset (possibly slightly modified if necessary), but made so that timelimits are extremely short. The game would have an immutable rule ending it within a week if it hadn't already, the winner being the player with the most points. Hopefully we would start this game one week before the vigintennial, with the winner being crowned on July 30th. 2. A creativity competition. Entrants would be tasked with creating, in any medium, a work which utilized as its subject matter Agora's 20 years of existence. 3. Agoran pub trivia. We would all meet on irc or something similar one night and have a pub trivia-esque contest on the history of Agora. 4. Some event which involves Peter Suber if we can get him on board. This could be as simple as asking him to comment on the progression of Agora, and specifically some of the current state of Agora. Even better would be if we could get him involved in some of our competitions or festivities. The winners of all of these events could be given patent titles, etc.
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On 1 May 2013 19:43, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: The Registrar's history section has contact information for nearly every player in Agora's history (not that it's necessarily all current). For those we don't have current history on, a little googling could probably turn this sort of thing up, especially if we know the player's real name. Bump. Proto: Agora's Twentieth Birthday shall be known as the Vigintennial. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is an office; its holder is responsible for organising the celebration of the Vigintennial. A player CAN, with two support, make a former player of Agora an Ancient; the Comptroller SHALL make a reasonable effort to invite each Ancient to contribute to and partake in the celebration of the Vigintennial. The Comptroller SHALL, as part of eir weekly duties, submit a proposal regarding the Vigintennial and make a reasonable effort to ensure that it is distributed. The Comptroller SHALL be responsible, as part of eir weekly duties, for publicising the Vigintennial both to former players of Agora and to the general public, and for encouraging em to participate in its celebration. The Comptroller of the Lord Chamberlain's Office is a patent title; in a timely fashion after the Vigintennial, the Herald SHALL award it to the holder of the office of the same name. Also, enact something similar to R2307. -- Walker
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Charles Walker wrote: Agora's Twentieth Birthday shall be known as the Vigintennial. This is precisely what Contests are for. ...why'd we get rid of them again?
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Tue, 7 May 2013, Charles Walker wrote: On 7 May 2013, at 16:41, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Tue, 7 May 2013, Charles Walker wrote: Agora's Twentieth Birthday shall be known as the Vigintennial. This is precisely what Contests are for. ...why'd we get rid of them again? Like I've said, I support the return of contract law. In fact I'm working on a proto at the minute. The point is, we don't need complex charters for the basic let's run a sub-game based around an event and have it go away after a couple months thing. It was just one, not-controversial or hard- to adjudicate rule. -G.
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Like I've said, I support the return of contract law. In fact I'm working on a proto at the minute. The point is, we don't need complex charters for the basic let's run a sub-game based around an event and have it go away after a couple months thing. It was just one, not-controversial or hard- to adjudicate rule. -G. I proposed to repeal it because in 2.5 years it's been used successfully at most once, and at that rate you may as well just make the contest into a rule, which allows it to affect the rest of the gamestate as needed and, in practice, seems to force people to write higher quality charters (at least, compared to the language we used to see in contracts). *shrug*
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On 1 May 2013 05:20, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:08 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Did everyone not realize this was coming up, or just me? :) I invite any sort of publicity that might encourage Agora's current just-getting-out-of-a-slump. We should work on a new web presence, for one thing. Any volunteers? And a social media presence. See the competition at https://twitter.com/blognomic and https://www.facebook.com/blognomic A big +1 to the whole idea. Some ideas: - Comptroller of The Lord Chamberlain's Office to organise festivities - There should be events running right throughout June (also the month of my final exams, unfortunately) - A time to look back and forward - perhaps some historical notes from the Herald or any old timers we invite back, coupled with some thoughts on where Agora is going - A recruitment drive? - What makes us a community and not a nomic, at least from a Rules point of view, is R101. Any new rights? -- Walker
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On 1 May 2013 06:37, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: Idea: try to contact as many old-timers as possible (ideally through personal links, rather than just spamming the Observer list) and create some sort of monument with a bit of contribution from everyone. +1 Are there any current players with such links? -- Walker
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
Did everyone not realize this was coming up, or just me? :) I invite any sort of publicity that might encourage Agora's current just-getting-out-of-a-slump.
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:08 AM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: Did everyone not realize this was coming up, or just me? :) I invite any sort of publicity that might encourage Agora's current just-getting-out-of-a-slump. We should work on a new web presence, for one thing. Any volunteers?
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: As many of you are aware, in just two short months Agora will be celebrating the completion of its 20th year of existence, having been played continuously during that entire frame. As the world's longest-lived and wisest nomic, and indeed one of the longest-lived and wisest among all the communities of the world, Agora has established itself as duly deserving of recognition. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that Agora is perhaps the very longest-lived and very wisest community in the world. —Machiavelli
Re: DIS: On Agora's Vigintennial
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: As many of you are aware, in just two short months Agora will be celebrating the completion of its 20th year of existence, having been played continuously during that entire frame. As the world's longest-lived and wisest nomic, and indeed one of the longest-lived and wisest among all the communities of the world, Agora has established itself as duly deserving of recognition. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that Agora is perhaps the very longest-lived and very wisest community in the world. —Machiavelli Idea: try to contact as many old-timers as possible (ideally through personal links, rather than just spamming the Observer list) and create some sort of monument with a bit of contribution from everyone.
