Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Mahendra Galani via Ai]

very well  put Sandeep.
At 12:06 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
Alas, the same male chauvinism, the same mindset 
of male domination continues. It is so regretful 
that people knowingly or unknowingly overlook 
the prevailing conditions that force females 
into subjugation. Everyone here is harping about 
the time lag of 2 years before the lady could 
muster courage to file a police complaint; guess 
no one has heard or read about daughters being 
sexually exploited by fathers for years or 
brothers raping or sexually harassing sisters 
for years, or even neighbors bullying and raping 
their neighboring girls or ladies for long 
durations. Why don't people understand that our 
society condemns only the females when such 
things come out no matter what the reality is, 
they finally come out and complain only when 
water is flowing over their heads and they would 
die anyway. This news report is very brief, so I 
wouldn't hazard any guesses but opining that the 
judge was mindless without having any solid 
proofs to convict this man to such a harsh 
sentence is not digestible. Try to put yourself 
in a female's shoes- a widow doesn't amount to a 
characterless woman; she had her set of adverse 
circumstances, she could have been repeatedly 
forced into having sexual relations with the 
man. Spare her a thought, please. On 7/27/17, 
Santosh Gandigude via Ai 
 wrote: > 
Aap logo ko to un dono ki bahut chinta hai. > > 
This discussions must be closed now. > > Why are 
all of you good peoples discussing with this bad 
case or issue? > > > > On 7/27/17, Anand G via 
Ai  
wrote: >> >> Can anyone of you suggest what is 
the best! >> >> -Original Message- >> 
From: Ai 
[mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] 
On Behalf Of >> Dinesh Kaushal via Ai >> Sent: 
27 July 2017 09:43 >> To: Share, empower &Enrich 
 >> Cc: 
Dinesh Kaushal  >> 
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in 
Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind 
banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind 
woman >> >> Can anyone of you suggest what 
concludes you to believe that this guy >> 
didn't >> force himself on her at the first 
instance? >> >> The basic premise seems that 
since it continued for 2 years, it was >> 
consensual. Don't we know that for women it is 
not easy to come out? So >> many >> forced 
instances would have been resolved with either 
promises of marriage >> or threat of shaming. Is 
that a real resolution? >> >> BTW, what makes us 
believe that it continued for 2 years? It's been 
2 >> years >> from now, and since how long case 
has been going on? >> >> Our society is not yet 
mature enough to understand both the points 
raised >> by >> George. I am quoting them for 
context. >> >>  >> 1. Even if a husband 
forces himself on his wife if the wife is not >> 
willing, >> in my understanding it amounts to 
rape. Strange as it may sound. >> >> 2. Even if 
two  adults are having regular sex for two years 
if the guy >> forces himself on the woman when 
she is not willing, it is rape. >> 
 >> >> Yes law may not know exact 
facts, but what makes us believe that we know >> 
all >> of them? We don't have enough time to 
look in to the full judgement, but >> we >> just 
want to decide based on a newspaper 
article. >> >> I can understand that as court is 
generally lenient towards women, men are >> 
afraid that they too could land in the similar 
situation even if they >> didn't >> force 
themselves. But in this case we are becoming a 
judge without knowing >> all the facts. >> >> 
Regarding disability point, see another 
snip: >> >>  >> Public prosecutor Arvind 
Sharma said that the convict tried to seek >> 
leniency >> from the court on account of his 
blindness. >>  >> >> So the convict 
himself tried to use the blindness card. >> >> 
-Original Message- >> From: Ai 
[mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] 
On Behalf Of >> bhawani shankar verma via Ai >> 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:26 AM >> To: 
Share, empower &Enrich 
 >> Cc: 
bhawani shankar verma  >> 
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in 
Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind 
banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind 
woman >> >> courts are not biased, our laws are 
biased. if a man wrongly forced to the >> legal 
matter against a female, specially family 
matters, domestic >> violence, >> or 
relationship matters, it is presumed that male 
is rakshas and the >> female >> is devi. >> turn 
this case 180 degree angle. and think whether a 
woman can siduce a >> man >> for sex or not. if 
it is, who would be the victim man or woman. 
there are >> many cases specially in corporate 
environment where the male employees are >> 
facing false charges and departmental enquiries 
of seduction. >> unfortunately, in IPC it is 
presumed that only man can seduce a woman. 
the >> laws are to be amended as per the rules 
of equality. can a male lodge an >> FIR >> 
against a female related to seduction? if it is 
so, please let me know the >> 

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[swati saxena via Ai]

Great thoughts Dinesh Ji and Sandeep! I respect your thoughts Mahendra
Ji! At least there are men who are viewing the topic with sensitivity
and in a broader context.

@ bhawani: Laws are not biased. Laws are supportive of relatively
vulnerable section of the society to enable them to be par with
others. Be it any act / law related to children, PWD, backward
classes, schedule tribes etc all are supportive of the subject for
which they are made. This cannot be termed as being biased. Because
this is the mandate of government to safeguard the interest of
vulnerable section. Handful instances of misuse of any law does not
mean that the law is flawed.

I just wonder why other females are not coming up with their thoughts
on the ongoing subject! :-)

Cheers
Swati Saxena

On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai  wrote:
> very well  put Sandeep.
> At 12:06 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
>>Alas, the same male chauvinism, the same mindset
>>of male domination continues. It is so regretful
>>that people knowingly or unknowingly overlook
>>the prevailing conditions that force females
>>into subjugation. Everyone here is harping about
>>the time lag of 2 years before the lady could
>>muster courage to file a police complaint; guess
>>no one has heard or read about daughters being
>>sexually exploited by fathers for years or
>>brothers raping or sexually harassing sisters
>>for years, or even neighbors bullying and raping
>>their neighboring girls or ladies for long
>>durations. Why don't people understand that our
>>society condemns only the females when such
>>things come out no matter what the reality is,
>>they finally come out and complain only when
>>water is flowing over their heads and they would
>>die anyway. This news report is very brief, so I
>>wouldn't hazard any guesses but opining that the
>>judge was mindless without having any solid
>>proofs to convict this man to such a harsh
>>sentence is not digestible. Try to put yourself
>>in a female's shoes- a widow doesn't amount to a
>>characterless woman; she had her set of adverse
>>circumstances, she could have been repeatedly
>>forced into having sexual relations with the
>>man. Spare her a thought, please. On 7/27/17,
>>Santosh Gandigude via Ai
>> wrote: >
>>Aap logo ko to un dono ki bahut chinta hai. > >
>>This discussions must be closed now. > > Why are
>>all of you good peoples discussing with this bad
>>case or issue? > > > > On 7/27/17, Anand G via
>>Ai 
>>wrote: >> >> Can anyone of you suggest what is
>>the best! >> >> -Original Message- >>
>>From: Ai
>>[mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in]
>>On Behalf Of >> Dinesh Kaushal via Ai >> Sent:
>>27 July 2017 09:43 >> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>> >> Cc:
>>Dinesh Kaushal  >>
>>Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in
>>Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind
>>banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind
>>woman >> >> Can anyone of you suggest what
>>concludes you to believe that this guy >>
>>didn't >> force himself on her at the first
>>instance? >> >> The basic premise seems that
>>since it continued for 2 years, it was >>
>>consensual. Don't we know that for women it is
>>not easy to come out? So >> many >> forced
>>instances would have been resolved with either
>>promises of marriage >> or threat of shaming. Is
>>that a real resolution? >> >> BTW, what makes us
>>believe that it continued for 2 years? It's been
>>2 >> years >> from now, and since how long case
>>has been going on? >> >> Our society is not yet
>>mature enough to understand both the points
>>raised >> by >> George. I am quoting them for
>>context. >> >>  >> 1. Even if a husband
>>forces himself on his wife if the wife is not >>
>>willing, >> in my understanding it amounts to
>>rape. Strange as it may sound. >> >> 2. Even if
>>two  adults are having regular sex for two years
>>if the guy >> forces himself on the woman when
>>she is not willing, it is rape. >>
>> >> >> Yes law may not know exact
>>facts, but what makes us believe that we know >>
>>all >> of them? We don't have enough time to
>>look in to the full judgement, but >> we >> just
>>want to decide based on a newspaper
>>article. >> >> I can understand that as court is
>>generally lenient towards women, men are >>
>>afraid that they too could land in the similar
>>situation even if they >> didn't >> force
>>themselves. But in this case we are becoming a
>>judge without knowing >> all the facts. >> >>
>>Regarding disability point, see another
>>snip: >> >>  >> Public prosecutor Arvind
>>Sharma said that the convict tried to seek >>
>>leniency >> from the court on account of his
>>blindness. >>  >> >> So the convict
>>himself tried to use the blindness card. >> >>
>>-Original Message- >> From: Ai
>>[mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in]
>>On Behalf Of >> bhawani shankar verma via Ai >>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:26 AM >> To:
>>Share, empower &Enrich
>> >> Cc:
>>bhawani shankar verma  >>
>>Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported i

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[muruganandan.k via Ai]

It is the basic ethic of a civilized community to standup firmly
against its member whenever he/she commits a wrongful deed or a crime.
If a disabled person commits a crime, be it against a disabled or
non-disabled individual, it is our duty to stand for justice for the
victim and maximum punishment for the criminal.
Being a disabled (blind) male, I am ashamed by what this criminal has
done to a helpless blind widow, and anyone voicing support to him only
add to the shame.
further, some members argue that consensus could have been there for
the sexual relationship to have taken place. Even if so, the consensus
has been definitely broken when the man deceived her by not keeping up
the promise of marriage.
Asking if laws exist for men to prosecute women for seduction is like
asking for a law for the non-disabled people to prosecute the disabled
in case they get harassed.
If we accept that disabled people have limited scope for draining
their sexual desires, we may have to accept many atrocities on the
same logic.

It is our duty to welcome the conviction and stand for the victim, not
the other way around.

On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai  wrote:
> very well  put Sandeep.
> At 12:06 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
>>Alas, the same male chauvinism, the same mindset
>>of male domination continues. It is so regretful
>>that people knowingly or unknowingly overlook
>>the prevailing conditions that force females
>>into subjugation. Everyone here is harping about
>>the time lag of 2 years before the lady could
>>muster courage to file a police complaint; guess
>>no one has heard or read about daughters being
>>sexually exploited by fathers for years or
>>brothers raping or sexually harassing sisters
>>for years, or even neighbors bullying and raping
>>their neighboring girls or ladies for long
>>durations. Why don't people understand that our
>>society condemns only the females when such
>>things come out no matter what the reality is,
>>they finally come out and complain only when
>>water is flowing over their heads and they would
>>die anyway. This news report is very brief, so I
>>wouldn't hazard any guesses but opining that the
>>judge was mindless without having any solid
>>proofs to convict this man to such a harsh
>>sentence is not digestible. Try to put yourself
>>in a female's shoes- a widow doesn't amount to a
>>characterless woman; she had her set of adverse
>>circumstances, she could have been repeatedly
>>forced into having sexual relations with the
>>man. Spare her a thought, please. On 7/27/17,
>>Santosh Gandigude via Ai
>> wrote: >
>>Aap logo ko to un dono ki bahut chinta hai. > >
>>This discussions must be closed now. > > Why are
>>all of you good peoples discussing with this bad
>>case or issue? > > > > On 7/27/17, Anand G via
>>Ai 
>>wrote: >> >> Can anyone of you suggest what is
>>the best! >> >> -Original Message- >>
>>From: Ai
>>[mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in]
>>On Behalf Of >> Dinesh Kaushal via Ai >> Sent:
>>27 July 2017 09:43 >> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>> >> Cc:
>>Dinesh Kaushal  >>
>>Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in
>>Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind
>>banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind
>>woman >> >> Can anyone of you suggest what
>>concludes you to believe that this guy >>
>>didn't >> force himself on her at the first
>>instance? >> >> The basic premise seems that
>>since it continued for 2 years, it was >>
>>consensual. Don't we know that for women it is
>>not easy to come out? So >> many >> forced
>>instances would have been resolved with either
>>promises of marriage >> or threat of shaming. Is
>>that a real resolution? >> >> BTW, what makes us
>>believe that it continued for 2 years? It's been
>>2 >> years >> from now, and since how long case
>>has been going on? >> >> Our society is not yet
>>mature enough to understand both the points
>>raised >> by >> George. I am quoting them for
>>context. >> >>  >> 1. Even if a husband
>>forces himself on his wife if the wife is not >>
>>willing, >> in my understanding it amounts to
>>rape. Strange as it may sound. >> >> 2. Even if
>>two  adults are having regular sex for two years
>>if the guy >> forces himself on the woman when
>>she is not willing, it is rape. >>
>> >> >> Yes law may not know exact
>>facts, but what makes us believe that we know >>
>>all >> of them? We don't have enough time to
>>look in to the full judgement, but >> we >> just
>>want to decide based on a newspaper
>>article. >> >> I can understand that as court is
>>generally lenient towards women, men are >>
>>afraid that they too could land in the similar
>>situation even if they >> didn't >> force
>>themselves. But in this case we are becoming a
>>judge without knowing >> all the facts. >> >>
>>Regarding disability point, see another
>>snip: >> >>  >> Public prosecutor Arvind
>>Sharma said that the convict tried to seek >>
>>leniency >> from the court on account of his
>>blindness. >>  >> >> So the convict
>>h

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[vivek doddamani via Ai]

I agree this person had taken her to guest house to meet an advocate
and then he raped her after coming out she could have immediately
complained to the guest house staff or to police, if the sex was not
occurred without her consent then why she did not screem or shout for
help,, here notice that the man was also blind & woman could have
easily escaped from him and called for help, here it is clearly
understood that sex was with full consent not rape by force.

On 7/26/17, swati saxena via Ai  wrote:
> So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
> form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?
>
> Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
> However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
> relationship.
>
> It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
> house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
> not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
> which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
> sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.
>
> Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
> then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
> first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
> a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
> this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
> consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
> will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
> be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.
>
> If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
> then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.
>
> I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
> welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
> guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
> yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
> whatever kind.
>
>
>
> On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai  wrote:
>> No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
>> person.
>> Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
>> specially
>> for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
>> sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give him
>> the maximum punishment.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
>> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
>> Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
>>> conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
>>> full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
>>> opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
>>> the matter under consideration.
>>>
>>> Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
>>> pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
>>> the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
>>> reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
>>> be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
>>> judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
>>> understanding of the matter.
>>>
>>> and I completely agree with Nupur here that we need to look at this
>>> from a general angle and not the differently abled angle. Our justice
>>> system is based on the principle of equality before law and equal
>>> protection for all and so taking into account such factors would be
>>> injustice to the person under consideration.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Sparsh Guptta
>>>
>>> On 7/26/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 Well put Swati,

 Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
 article.

 We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from such
 discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. How
 come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been unnecessarily
 biased against men?


 -Original Message-
 From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
 Of
 swati saxena via Ai
 Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
 To: Share, empower &Enrich 
 Cc: swati saxena 
 Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
 Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

 HI All,

 Directly quoting from the article below lines.
 "On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
 May 30, 2

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[prateek aggarwal via Ai]

Nowhere the article suggests that there has been any blackmailing
involved, and hence repeated sexual relationships between these two
individuals have been on the basis of consent, as per my belief. No
woman shall otherwise go repeatedly to the man for having sex if she
won't consent for it.
As some have interpreted, I'm not trying to defend man or put any
alligations on woman. The only thing I said that both partners have
been equally involved in sexual relationship in this case. Man has
promised her to get married but he did not fulfill his  promise. Can a
broken promise by man convert consentual sex into rape is what the
question is.
Having said that, Man should have fulfilled his promise of getting
married and there is no doubt about it. We, however do not know the
reason of his denial and the situations that may have occured, neither
do we know the promises made by woman that might also be broken in
this case.  She was employed in 2015 and she's not now, for instance.
Could this be a reason of denial? We don't know.
From the facts available at least in the said article, I continue to
have  the opinion that this is an example of miss using the law by
woman and a harsh, one-sided  decision taken by judge.
Interestingly, some members have given the arguement that women are
being sexually abused by fathers and brothers. That to me sounds like
comparing apple with orranges. Every situation is different and I
think its best to be talking on this context only, rather comparing
this with some other situations/circumstances.

Never the less, I think we've discussed enough on this topic and
voiced our opinion. Personally, I won't write further on this thereby.
Thank you all for coming forward and telling your opinion. One thing
to note  however is lesser participation of women on this thread,
which could certainly be more to help us getting a more comprehensive
understanding.


Regards,
Prateek agarwal.

On 7/27/17, vivek doddamani via Ai  wrote:
> I agree this person had taken her to guest house to meet an advocate
> and then he raped her after coming out she could have immediately
> complained to the guest house staff or to police, if the sex was not
> occurred without her consent then why she did not screem or shout for
> help,, here notice that the man was also blind & woman could have
> easily escaped from him and called for help, here it is clearly
> understood that sex was with full consent not rape by force.
>
> On 7/26/17, swati saxena via Ai  wrote:
>> So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
>> form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?
>>
>> Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
>> However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
>> relationship.
>>
>> It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
>> house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
>> not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
>> which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
>> sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.
>>
>> Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
>> then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
>> first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
>> a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
>> this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
>> consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
>> will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
>> be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.
>>
>> If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
>> then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.
>>
>> I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
>> welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
>> guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
>> yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
>> whatever kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
>>> person.
>>> Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
>>> specially
>>> for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
>>> sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give
>>> him
>>> the maximum punishment.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
>>> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
>>> Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>
>>>
 Dear friends,

 first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
 conclusions without knowing

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Rahul Kelapure via Ai]

Now I have an observation, supposing the man now agrees to marry the
woman in the matter, would the charge of rape be withdrawn? if yes,
then till yesterday an act becoming an act of grave injustice  would
become consensual sex again?
In that case, very harsh observations made by the judge be nothing?

Intresting!

On 7/27/17, vivek doddamani via Ai  wrote:
> I agree this person had taken her to guest house to meet an advocate
> and then he raped her after coming out she could have immediately
> complained to the guest house staff or to police, if the sex was not
> occurred without her consent then why she did not screem or shout for
> help,, here notice that the man was also blind & woman could have
> easily escaped from him and called for help, here it is clearly
> understood that sex was with full consent not rape by force.
>
> On 7/26/17, swati saxena via Ai  wrote:
>> So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
>> form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?
>>
>> Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
>> However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
>> relationship.
>>
>> It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
>> house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
>> not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
>> which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
>> sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.
>>
>> Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
>> then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
>> first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
>> a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
>> this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
>> consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
>> will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
>> be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.
>>
>> If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
>> then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.
>>
>> I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
>> welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
>> guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
>> yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
>> whatever kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
>>> person.
>>> Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
>>> specially
>>> for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
>>> sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give
>>> him
>>> the maximum punishment.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
>>> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
>>> Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>
>>>
 Dear friends,

 first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
 conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
 full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
 opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
 the matter under consideration.

 Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
 pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
 the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
 reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
 be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
 judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
 understanding of the matter.

 and I completely agree with Nupur here that we need to look at this
 from a general angle and not the differently abled angle. Our justice
 system is based on the principle of equality before law and equal
 protection for all and so taking into account such factors would be
 injustice to the person under consideration.

 Cheers

 Sparsh Guptta

 On 7/26/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai 
 wrote:
> Well put Swati,
>
> Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
> article.
>
> We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from
> such
> discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not.
> How
> come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been
> unnecessarily
> biased against men?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Mahendra Galani via Ai]

Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this punishment.
we may talk about number of years given,however 
to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.







At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
I agree this person had taken her to guest house 
to meet an advocate and then he raped her after 
coming out she could have immediately complained 
to the guest house staff or to police, if the 
sex was not occurred without her consent then 
why she did not screem or shout for help,, here 
notice that the man was also blind & woman could 
have easily escaped from him and called for 
help, here it is clearly understood that sex was 
with full consent not rape by force. On 7/26/17, 
swati saxena via Ai 
 wrote: > So 
according to some of the views, does this case 
does not demand any > form of punishment? Is the 
woman not a victim in any form? > > Absolutely, 
it should not be viewed from disability point of 
view. > However I not at all agree that it was a 
consensual sexual > relationship. > > It is 
clearly stated in the article that she was raped 
in the guest > house in the pretext of meeting 
an advocate. Is raping someone does > not call 
for punishment? If it is believed that this is 
something > which does not demand punishment of 
any form, then I question the > sensitivity and 
understanding of what does rape means for a 
women. > > Also even if it is consent (though I 
don't subscribe to this view), > then we also 
need to look what does consent means. If consent 
means > first victimizing someone, doing crime 
against them, above all showing > a rosy future, 
leaving no alternative for them (which all 
happened in > this case) and then asking for 
consent then I agree it was a > consensual 
sexual relationship. But if consent means an 
absolute free > will of a person, without any 
burden, any dependency then this may not > be a 
consensual sex but still demands punishment. > > 
If we go through the facts of the case, the 
victim was first raped and > then they entered 
into a relationship of whatever kind was it. > > 
I will reiterate my previous belief that the 
punishment is absolutely > welcome (though 
people may question quantum) for what happened 
in the > guest house. No rapist must be spared 
measured from what so ever > yardstick. Rapists 
must be given the harshest punishment demanded 
of > whatever kind. > > > > On 7/26/17, B. R. 
Nautial via Ai 
 wrote: >> 
No. I think, this harsh punishment would have 
not given to a normal >> person. >> Generally, 
in every society, there's a big sympathey for 
disabled, >> specially >> for visually impaired 
but if he is involve in such a bad incident, 
that >> sympathey takes a different way and in 
such cases, judiciary will give him >> the 
maximum punishment. >> - Original Message 
- >> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
 >> To: 
"Share, empower &Enrich" 
 >> Cc: 
"SPARSH GUPTA"  >> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM >> 
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in 
Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind 
banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind 
woman >> >> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> first off, 
I think it is very wrong on member's part to 
jump on >>> conclusions without knowing the full 
facts and without reading the >>> full judgement 
as that would be the proper source to understand 
the >>> opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of 
the facts and circumstances of >>> the matter 
under consideration. >>> >>> Although the way 
report in Hindustan Times is reported is 
pretty >>> pathetic to be honest. The author has 
not been prudent enough to put >>> the full 
facts in the open and left many blanks to be 
filled by the >>> reader themselves on whatever 
suits them the best. Therefore, it would >>> be 
a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact 
copy of the >>> judgement. And being a lawyer 
myself, I can say that with full >>> 
understanding of the matter. >>> >>> and I 
completely agree with Nupur here that we need to 
look at this >>> from a general angle and not 
the differently abled angle. Our justice >>> 
system is based on the principle of equality 
before law and equal >>> protection for all and 
so taking into account such factors would be >>> 
injustice to the person under 
consideration. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sparsh 
Guptta >>> >>> On 7/26/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai 
 >>> 
wrote:  Well put Swati,   Consent is 
absolutely important and many of us missed this 
point in the  article.   We may not 
know exact facts, so we need to restraint 
ourselves from such  discussions. It is 
court to decide whether consent was there or 
not. How  come we have just jumped on 
conclusion that court has been 
unnecessarily  biased against 
men?    -Original 
Message-  From: Ai 
[m

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Surinder via Ai]

The man obtained the woman's consent after promising to marry her but later 
on refused to keep his promise.Hence all this.
- Original Message - 
From: "prateek aggarwal via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "prateek aggarwal" 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman




Nowhere the article suggests that there has been any blackmailing
involved, and hence repeated sexual relationships between these two
individuals have been on the basis of consent, as per my belief. No
woman shall otherwise go repeatedly to the man for having sex if she
won't consent for it.
As some have interpreted, I'm not trying to defend man or put any
alligations on woman. The only thing I said that both partners have
been equally involved in sexual relationship in this case. Man has
promised her to get married but he did not fulfill his  promise. Can a
broken promise by man convert consentual sex into rape is what the
question is.
Having said that, Man should have fulfilled his promise of getting
married and there is no doubt about it. We, however do not know the
reason of his denial and the situations that may have occured, neither
do we know the promises made by woman that might also be broken in
this case.  She was employed in 2015 and she's not now, for instance.
Could this be a reason of denial? We don't know.
From the facts available at least in the said article, I continue to
have  the opinion that this is an example of miss using the law by
woman and a harsh, one-sided  decision taken by judge.
Interestingly, some members have given the arguement that women are
being sexually abused by fathers and brothers. That to me sounds like
comparing apple with orranges. Every situation is different and I
think its best to be talking on this context only, rather comparing
this with some other situations/circumstances.

Never the less, I think we've discussed enough on this topic and
voiced our opinion. Personally, I won't write further on this thereby.
Thank you all for coming forward and telling your opinion. One thing
to note  however is lesser participation of women on this thread,
which could certainly be more to help us getting a more comprehensive
understanding.


Regards,
Prateek agarwal.

On 7/27/17, vivek doddamani via Ai  
wrote:

I agree this person had taken her to guest house to meet an advocate
and then he raped her after coming out she could have immediately
complained to the guest house staff or to police, if the sex was not
occurred without her consent then why she did not screem or shout for
help,, here notice that the man was also blind & woman could have
easily escaped from him and called for help, here it is clearly
understood that sex was with full consent not rape by force.

On 7/26/17, swati saxena via Ai  
wrote:

So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?

Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
relationship.

It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.

Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.

If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.

I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
whatever kind.



On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai 
wrote:

No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
person.
Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
specially
for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give
him
the maximum punishment.
- Original Message -
From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai]

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[vivek doddamani via Ai]

anything it may be my suggestion is the convict should go to high court

On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai  wrote:
> Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
> we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
> it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
> and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this
> punishment.
> we may talk about number of years given,however
> to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
>>I agree this person had taken her to guest house
>>to meet an advocate and then he raped her after
>>coming out she could have immediately complained
>>to the guest house staff or to police, if the
>>sex was not occurred without her consent then
>>why she did not screem or shout for help,, here
>>notice that the man was also blind & woman could
>>have easily escaped from him and called for
>>help, here it is clearly understood that sex was
>>with full consent not rape by force. On 7/26/17,
>>swati saxena via Ai
>> wrote: > So
>>according to some of the views, does this case
>>does not demand any > form of punishment? Is the
>>woman not a victim in any form? > > Absolutely,
>>it should not be viewed from disability point of
>>view. > However I not at all agree that it was a
>>consensual sexual > relationship. > > It is
>>clearly stated in the article that she was raped
>>in the guest > house in the pretext of meeting
>>an advocate. Is raping someone does > not call
>>for punishment? If it is believed that this is
>>something > which does not demand punishment of
>>any form, then I question the > sensitivity and
>>understanding of what does rape means for a
>>women. > > Also even if it is consent (though I
>>don't subscribe to this view), > then we also
>>need to look what does consent means. If consent
>>means > first victimizing someone, doing crime
>>against them, above all showing > a rosy future,
>>leaving no alternative for them (which all
>>happened in > this case) and then asking for
>>consent then I agree it was a > consensual
>>sexual relationship. But if consent means an
>>absolute free > will of a person, without any
>>burden, any dependency then this may not > be a
>>consensual sex but still demands punishment. > >
>>If we go through the facts of the case, the
>>victim was first raped and > then they entered
>>into a relationship of whatever kind was it. > >
>>I will reiterate my previous belief that the
>>punishment is absolutely > welcome (though
>>people may question quantum) for what happened
>>in the > guest house. No rapist must be spared
>>measured from what so ever > yardstick. Rapists
>>must be given the harshest punishment demanded
>>of > whatever kind. > > > > On 7/26/17, B. R.
>>Nautial via Ai
>> wrote: >>
>>No. I think, this harsh punishment would have
>>not given to a normal >> person. >> Generally,
>>in every society, there's a big sympathey for
>>disabled, >> specially >> for visually impaired
>>but if he is involve in such a bad incident,
>>that >> sympathey takes a different way and in
>>such cases, judiciary will give him >> the
>>maximum punishment. >> - Original Message
>>- >> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai"
>> >> To:
>>"Share, empower &Enrich"
>> >> Cc:
>>"SPARSH GUPTA"  >>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM >>
>>Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in
>>Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind
>>banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind
>>woman >> >> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> first off,
>>I think it is very wrong on member's part to
>>jump on >>> conclusions without knowing the full
>>facts and without reading the >>> full judgement
>>as that would be the proper source to understand
>>the >>> opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of
>>the facts and circumstances of >>> the matter
>>under consideration. >>> >>> Although the way
>>report in Hindustan Times is reported is
>>pretty >>> pathetic to be honest. The author has
>>not been prudent enough to put >>> the full
>>facts in the open and left many blanks to be
>>filled by the >>> reader themselves on whatever
>>suits them the best. Therefore, it would >>> be
>>a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact
>>copy of the >>> judgement. And being a lawyer
>>myself, I can say that with full >>>
>>understanding of the matter. >>> >>> and I
>>completely agree with Nupur here that we need to
>>look at this >>> from a general angle and not
>>the differently abled angle. Our justice >>>
>>system is based on the principle of equality
>>before law and equal >>> protection for all and
>>so taking into account such factors would be >>>
>>injustice to the person under
>>consideration. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Sparsh
>>Guptta >>> >>> On 7/26/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
>> >>>
>>wrote:  Well put Swati,   Consent is
>>absolutely important and many of us missed this
>>point in the  article.   We may not
>>know exact facts, so we need to restraint
>>ourselves from such  discus

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again in the limelight.
The National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA), which is in the
process of chalking out guidelines for training the differently abled
on survival skills in times of natural disasters and other emergency
situations, has decided to seek the help of the Kerala State Disaster
Management Authority (SDMA) in preparing it.
Meanwhile, Kerala SDMA says it is gearing up to launch district-level
training programmes for the differently abled in the state. Around 200
such people from each district will be covered under this. “Yes, it’ a
proud moment for us. We were the first state to roll out a disaster
preparedness training programme for differently abled. We had also
released a handbook mentioning the training module and other related
information. It might be because of this that NDMA has asked us to
join the panel which will prepare a national-level guideline,” says
Joe John George, state project officer, UNDP project, SDMA. Source:
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Re: [Ai] Any information about accessibility of Jio Phone

[Mohit Gupta via Ai]

hi
is gio phone has keypad?

On 7/25/17, Sunil Sangtani. via Ai  wrote:
> yes, firefox OS use to have screen reader support,
> not as good as it should be,
> but yes there use to be one.
>
>
> On 7/24/17, Aravind R via Ai  wrote:
>> do we have any talking software for firefox operating system?> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2">
>> 
>>  
>> > href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail";
>> target="_blank">> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif";
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>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com
>>  
>>  
>> > height="1">
>>
>> On 7/24/17, Sunil Sangtani. via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> yes, the jio phone is using Kizon  os, and its the customized version
>>> of firefox operating system much like customized version of android.
>>> so Probably it must be accessible.
>>> but even though it is accessible, it would not  become our primary
>>> phone. it can help to the people who prefer keypad phones though.
>>>  On 7/22/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 Hi All,

 As most of you might know that Reliance has launched a really
 affordable
 phone. It seems that going forward most of Reliance Jio's plans would
 be
 available with the Jio Phone only.

 That brings us to whether persons with disabilities would be able to
 benefit
 from such low prices? In order that to happen these phones should be
 accessible. To answer that question, we need to know which operating
 system
 is being used in this phone. My initial search suggests that it might
 be
 using Mozilla's Firefox OS which luckily has accessibility features.
 But
 we
 need to get this tested and we need to intervene asap so that this
 phone
 is
 accessible.

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[PAULMUDDHA via Ai]

My question is whether the wido had sex with out monetory benefits each time 
they both met?
Or had sex only on the promise of a marriage in future?


-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:31 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: bhawani shankar verma
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: 
Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

right prateek, how can a consensus sex be converted to rape? if that widow was 
not agreed on her first encounter, why she did not go to police after first 
encounter? she was waiting far 2 years to trap that man? 
unfortunately, men have to suffer in india due to these gender biased laws.




-Original Message-
From: prateek aggarwal via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:51 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: prateek aggarwal
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual relationship by her 
will and continued going on repeated basis. How can this be even called rape is 
the question.
@Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the door of 
court and found a favorable judgement, but I believe that this can further 
de-motivate men to have sexual relationship with women, even if the women are 
consenting to do so.
Who would want to get into troubles like this,  even after having done sex with 
consent of the woman afterall.
The judgement would strengthen the opinion that blind women are not quite  
sexual being, which is already a prevalent  belief  in the society.
This is truly illogical and one-sided in my opinion.
Unfortunate.

Regards,
Prateek agarwal.

On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai  wrote:
> The surviver in the under discussion order is a widow; this fact and 
> her precarious circumstance may have led the judge to pronounce such a 
> harsh punishment. He however can approach the higher judiciary.  As a 
> silver lining, There are very few blind women who knock the door of 
> the courts when their bodily integrity is violated. This particular 
> order should deter blind men in particular to not take blind women for 
> granted and for a ride.
> On 7/26/17, Arjun Malhotra via Ai 
> wrote:
>> Wasn't there a Supreme Court Judgment recently on educated women and 
>> promise of marriage. Why not apply that yardstick in this case as 
>> well.
>>
>> On 7/26/17, Rahul Kelapure via Ai 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>> Agree with Prateek. Here I also see a strainge attitude of the Judge 
>>> to justify high punishment to the convict as the girl is blind and 
>>> he took advantage of her helplessness as she was blind.
>>>
>>> While techniclly it could be rape but how many would Court award 10 
>>> years riggerous jail for this kind of matter in so called normal 
>>> cases?
>>>
>>> I think, Judge has gone overboard while pronouncing the sentence.
>>>
>>> This is like two extreme sides of attitude for disabled where on one 
>>> hand they will have extremely symphethy or they will have abselute 
>>> indiference or hatred for disabled.
>>>
>>> If She was so clear that, she would want to have sex only after 
>>> marage then first marry and then do whatever. There are many matters 
>>> where everything is consensual but when things do not go as per the 
>>> expectation, slap with rape charges.
>>>
>>> Strainge.
>>>
>>> I am sure, this will not stand the scrutiny in the higher court. I 
>>> don't know how well the defence fought the matter.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
 While questioning court's decision is a crime itself in india, 
 isn't this unfair to punish man while the repeated sexual 
 relationships were established in mutual consensus of both the partners?
 As both of them had sex multiple times since 2015, how can this be 
 even called rape on the first place?
 Yes the news suggests that the man has  promised marriage and   on
 that pretext this sexual relationship was established, but things 
 may happen in the course of  2 years that may force a person to not 
 marry other. That does not definitely take the fact away that the 
 sex happened with the consent of girl.
 Promises like these are not documented here in india.
 Personally, I feel that the laws are sometimes being miss used by 
 females, like it has been in this context. This is unfortunate.

 Regards,
 Prateek agarwal.


 On 7/26/17, Ajay Minocha via Ai 
 
 wrote:
> A very welcome judgement!
>
> On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai 
> 
> wrote:
>> http://www.hindustantimes.com/gurgaon/gurgaon-blind-banker-gets-1
>> 0-year-jail-for-raping-blind-woman/story-xQAJGpWmso2ioCesDHV2UM.h
>> tml
>>
>> A Gurgaon district court on Monday awarded 10 

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[P. Subramani via Ai]

in the end, it seems all laws are gender-biased towards women  including 
section498A, a sighted person wouldn't have received this quantum of 
punishment, obviously women are taking undue advantage of such laws,  many 
courts have made observations about gender-biased laws,  this lower court's 
judgement should be challenged in the higher courts where obviously judges 
are much more learned, in most instances,  decisions are reversed in the 
higher courts, media always reports such wrong things perpetrated by the 
disabled persons, they neverever report brighter achievements of  our 
community

E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
Mob:  9738150192
Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
- Original Message - 
From: "vivek doddamani via Ai" 

To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: "vivek doddamani" 
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman




anything it may be my suggestion is the convict should go to high court

On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai  
wrote:

Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this
punishment.
we may talk about number of years given,however
to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.






At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:

I agree this person had taken her to guest house
to meet an advocate and then he raped her after
coming out she could have immediately complained
to the guest house staff or to police, if the
sex was not occurred without her consent then
why she did not screem or shout for help,, here
notice that the man was also blind & woman could
have easily escaped from him and called for
help, here it is clearly understood that sex was
with full consent not rape by force. On 7/26/17,
swati saxena via Ai
 wrote: > So
according to some of the views, does this case
does not demand any > form of punishment? Is the
woman not a victim in any form? > > Absolutely,
it should not be viewed from disability point of
view. > However I not at all agree that it was a
consensual sexual > relationship. > > It is
clearly stated in the article that she was raped
in the guest > house in the pretext of meeting
an advocate. Is raping someone does > not call
for punishment? If it is believed that this is
something > which does not demand punishment of
any form, then I question the > sensitivity and
understanding of what does rape means for a
women. > > Also even if it is consent (though I
don't subscribe to this view), > then we also
need to look what does consent means. If consent
means > first victimizing someone, doing crime
against them, above all showing > a rosy future,
leaving no alternative for them (which all
happened in > this case) and then asking for
consent then I agree it was a > consensual
sexual relationship. But if consent means an
absolute free > will of a person, without any
burden, any dependency then this may not > be a
consensual sex but still demands punishment. > >
If we go through the facts of the case, the
victim was first raped and > then they entered
into a relationship of whatever kind was it. > >
I will reiterate my previous belief that the
punishment is absolutely > welcome (though
people may question quantum) for what happened
in the > guest house. No rapist must be spared
measured from what so ever > yardstick. Rapists
must be given the harshest punishment demanded
of > whatever kind. > > > > On 7/26/17, B. R.
Nautial via Ai
 wrote: >>
No. I think, this harsh punishment would have
not given to a normal >> person. >> Generally,
in every society, there's a big sympathey for
disabled, >> specially >> for visually impaired
but if he is involve in such a bad incident,
that >> sympathey takes a different way and in
such cases, judiciary will give him >> the
maximum punishment. >> - Original Message
- >> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai"
 >> To:
"Share, empower &Enrich"
 >> Cc:
"SPARSH GUPTA"  >>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM >>
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in
Hindustan Times yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind
banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind
woman >> >> >>> Dear friends, >>> >>> first off,
I think it is very wrong on member's part to
jump on >>> conclusions without knowing the full
facts and without reading the >>> full judgement
as that would be the proper source to understand
the >>> opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of
the facts and circumstances of >>> the matter
under consideration. >>> >>> Although the way
report in Hindustan Times is reported is
pretty >>> pathetic to be honest. The author has
not been prudent enough to put >>> the full
facts in the open and left many blanks to be
filled by the >>> reader themselves on whatever
suits them the best. Therefore, it would >>> be
a unfruitful discussion till we 

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[akshun mahajan via Ai]

Hi all,
Well I spoke to some of very close friends to know the truth of this
story and I have found both male and female are equally responsible.
Things were fine until boy did not get job.
This is also true that he told female that he will get her job and get
married with her but after getting job boy started avoiding she as a
result of this lady went to court.
One thing is very sure that she was not raped. They were doing with
consent when this lady find that after getting job he is avoiding her
and she got frusted and starting threatening this boy, boy took also
lightly as a result of this he was awarded punishment.


On 7/27/17, P. Subramani via Ai  wrote:
> in the end, it seems all laws are gender-biased towards women  including
> section498A, a sighted person wouldn't have received this quantum of
> punishment, obviously women are taking undue advantage of such laws,  many
> courts have made observations about gender-biased laws,  this lower court's
> judgement should be challenged in the higher courts where obviously judges
> are much more learned, in most instances,  decisions are reversed in the
> higher courts, media always reports such wrong things perpetrated by the
> disabled persons, they neverever report brighter achievements of  our
> community
> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
> Mob:  9738150192
> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
> - Original Message -
> From: "vivek doddamani via Ai" 
> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
> Cc: "vivek doddamani" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>
>
>> anything it may be my suggestion is the convict should go to high court
>>
>> On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
>>> we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
>>> it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
>>> and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this
>>> punishment.
>>> we may talk about number of years given,however
>>> to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
I agree this person had taken her to guest house
to meet an advocate and then he raped her after
coming out she could have immediately complained
to the guest house staff or to police, if the
sex was not occurred without her consent then
why she did not screem or shout for help,, here
notice that the man was also blind & woman could
have easily escaped from him and called for
help, here it is clearly understood that sex was
with full consent not rape by force. On 7/26/17,
swati saxena via Ai
 wrote: > So
according to some of the views, does this case
does not demand any > form of punishment? Is the
woman not a victim in any form? > > Absolutely,
it should not be viewed from disability point of
view. > However I not at all agree that it was a
consensual sexual > relationship. > > It is
clearly stated in the article that she was raped
in the guest > house in the pretext of meeting
an advocate. Is raping someone does > not call
for punishment? If it is believed that this is
something > which does not demand punishment of
any form, then I question the > sensitivity and
understanding of what does rape means for a
women. > > Also even if it is consent (though I
don't subscribe to this view), > then we also
need to look what does consent means. If consent
means > first victimizing someone, doing crime
against them, above all showing > a rosy future,
leaving no alternative for them (which all
happened in > this case) and then asking for
consent then I agree it was a > consensual
sexual relationship. But if consent means an
absolute free > will of a person, without any
burden, any dependency then this may not > be a
consensual sex but still demands punishment. > >
If we go through the facts of the case, the
victim was first raped and > then they entered
into a relationship of whatever kind was it. > >
I will reiterate my previous belief that the
punishment is absolutely > welcome (though
people may question quantum) for what happened
in the > guest house. No rapist must be spared
measured from what so ever > yardstick. Rapists
must be given the harshest punishment demanded
of > whatever kind. > > > > On 7/26/17, B. R.
Nautial via Ai
 wrote: >>
No. I think, this harsh punishment would have
not given to a normal >> person. >> Generally,
in every society, there's a big sympathey for
disabled, >> specially >> for visually impaired
but if he is involve in such a bad incident,
that >> sympathey takes a different way and in
such cases, judiciary will give him >> the
maximum punishment. >>

Re: [Ai] Any information about accessibility of Jio Phone

[Aravind R via Ai]

i heard that it has key pad. we can memorise and do phone dialing like
operating old nokia basic phones. no talking softwares so we cannot
work in internet, do sms or whatsapp except few voice comments.

On 7/27/17, Mohit Gupta via Ai  wrote:
> hi
> is gio phone has keypad?
>
> On 7/25/17, Sunil Sangtani. via Ai 
> wrote:
>> yes, firefox OS use to have screen reader support,
>> not as good as it should be,
>> but yes there use to be one.
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/17, Aravind R via Ai  wrote:
>>> do we have any talking software for firefox operating system?>> id="DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2">
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >> href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail";
>>> target="_blank">>> src="https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif";
>>> alt="" width="46" height="29" style="width: 46px; height: 29px;"
>>> />
>>> Virus-free. >> href="https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail";
>>> target="_blank" style="color: #4453ea;">www.avast.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >> height="1">
>>>
>>> On 7/24/17, Sunil Sangtani. via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 yes, the jio phone is using Kizon  os, and its the customized version
 of firefox operating system much like customized version of android.
 so Probably it must be accessible.
 but even though it is accessible, it would not  become our primary
 phone. it can help to the people who prefer keypad phones though.
  On 7/22/17, Dinesh Kaushal via Ai 
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As most of you might know that Reliance has launched a really
> affordable
> phone. It seems that going forward most of Reliance Jio's plans would
> be
> available with the Jio Phone only.
>
> That brings us to whether persons with disabilities would be able to
> benefit
> from such low prices? In order that to happen these phones should be
> accessible. To answer that question, we need to know which operating
> system
> is being used in this phone. My initial search suggests that it might
> be
> using Mozilla's Firefox OS which luckily has accessibility features.
> But
> we
> need to get this tested and we need to intervene asap so that this
> phone
> is
> accessible.
>


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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Mahendra Galani via Ai]

well, i got this vidio on the subject,
how we men think and act.
please watch and forword to others.
may be we  feel pain  of women.

2017-07-27-VIDEO-0333.mp4
 
2017-07-27-VIDEO-0333.mp4



At 04:55 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
anything it may be my suggestion is the convict 
should go to high court On 7/27/17, Mahendra 
Galani via Ai 
 wrote: > 
Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do. > we 
men may never understand the Shame felt by 
women. > it takes enough currege to do it, 
specially for the disabled women, > and dont 
forget, court found argument good enough to 
handover this > punishment. > we may talk about 
number of years given,however > to comment more 
based on this artical, is for me 
dificult. > > > > > > > At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 
+0530, you wrote: >>I agree this person had 
taken her to guest house >>to meet an advocate 
and then he raped her after >>coming out she 
could have immediately complained >>to the guest 
house staff or to police, if the >>sex was not 
occurred without her consent then >>why she did 
not screem or shout for help,, here >>notice 
that the man was also blind & woman could >>have 
easily escaped from him and called for >>help, 
here it is clearly understood that sex 
was >>with full consent not rape by force. On 
7/26/17, >>swati saxena via 
Ai >> 
wrote: > So >>according to some of the views, 
does this case >>does not demand any > form of 
punishment? Is the >>woman not a victim in any 
form? > > Absolutely, >>it should not be viewed 
from disability point of >>view. > However I not 
at all agree that it was a >>consensual sexual > 
relationship. > > It is >>clearly stated in the 
article that she was raped >>in the guest > 
house in the pretext of meeting >>an advocate. 
Is raping someone does > not call >>for 
punishment? If it is believed that this 
is >>something > which does not demand 
punishment of >>any form, then I question the > 
sensitivity and >>understanding of what does 
rape means for a >>women. > > Also even if it is 
consent (though I >>don't subscribe to this 
view), > then we also >>need to look what does 
consent means. If consent >>means > first 
victimizing someone, doing crime >>against them, 
above all showing > a rosy future, >>leaving no 
alternative for them (which all >>happened in > 
this case) and then asking for >>consent then I 
agree it was a > consensual >>sexual 
relationship. But if consent means an >>absolute 
free > will of a person, without any >>burden, 
any dependency then this may not > be 
a >>consensual sex but still demands 
punishment. > > >>If we go through the facts of 
the case, the >>victim was first raped and > 
then they entered >>into a relationship of 
whatever kind was it. > > >>I will reiterate my 
previous belief that the >>punishment is 
absolutely > welcome (though >>people may 
question quantum) for what happened >>in the > 
guest house. No rapist must be spared >>measured 
from what so ever > yardstick. Rapists >>must be 
given the harshest punishment demanded >>of > 
whatever kind. > > > > On 7/26/17, B. 
R. >>Nautial via 
Ai >> 
wrote: >> >>No. I think, this harsh punishment 
would have >>not given to a normal >> person. >> 
Generally, >>in every society, there's a big 
sympathey for >>disabled, >> specially >> for 
visually impaired >>but if he is involve in such 
a bad incident, >>that >> sympathey takes a 
different way and in >>such cases, judiciary 
will give him >> the >>maximum punishment. >> 
- Original Message >>- >> From: "SPARSH 
GUPTA via 
Ai" >> >> 
To: >>"Share, empower 
&Enrich" >> > 
> Cc: >>"SPARSH GUPTA" 
 >> >>Sent: Wednesday, 
July 26, 2017 6:19 PM >> >>Subject: Re: [Ai] 
Abhishek Behl reported in >>Hindustan Times 
yesterday: >> Gurgaon: Blind >>banker gets 
10-year jail for raping blind >>woman >> >> >>> 
Dear friends, >>> >>> first off, >>I think it is 
very wrong on member's part to >>jump on >>> 
conclusions without knowing the full >>facts and 
without reading the >>> full judgement >>as that 
would be the proper source to 
understand >>the >>> opinion of the H'ble Judge 
in light of >>the facts and circumstances of >>> 
the matter >>under consideration. >>> >>> 
Although the way >>report in Hindustan Times is 
reported is >>pretty >>> pathetic to be honest. 
The author has >>not been prudent enough to 
put >>> the full >>facts in the open and left 
many blanks to be >>filled by the >>> reader 
themselves on whatever >>suits them the best. 
Therefore, it would >>> be >>a unfruitful 
discussion till we have the exact >>copy of 
the >>> judgement. And being a lawyer >>myself, 
I can say that with full >>> >>understanding of 
the matter. >>> >>> and I >>completely agree 
with Nupur here that we need to >>look at 
this >>> from a general angle and not >>the 
differently abled angle. Our 
justice >>> >>system is based on the principle 
of equality >>before law and equal >>> 
protection for all and >>so taking into account 
such factors would be >>> >>injustice to 

[Ai] Flexibility of smart cane attachment

[Alok Kaushik via Ai]

Hi Dipendra,

This is in continuation with your earlier mail regarding smart cane. I am 
writing this in a separate thread to avoid mixing up of content.

 

Smart cane attachment has been designed to fit on a particular type of cane. 
Many people, including myself, use Ambutech / RNIB cane. Those canes are much 
more sturdy. Even though I have smart cane attachment I am unable to use it 
with the cane that I would prefer to use.

 

How difficult / possible is it to make the physical design flexible enough to 
be compatible with most canes?It is  entirely about the physical design.

 

Thanks.

Alok

 

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Dinesh Kaushal via Ai]

This is a ridiculous argument

if he is punished, he also loses his govt job. instead of facing all
these troubles,  why didn't he just marry her instead?


Which sensibility suggests that you can rape someone and then promise to marry 
and all charges should be gone?

Are we living in some barbarius society with primitive laws?

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Prabhu Kota via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:17 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich 
Cc: Prabhu Kota 
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: 
Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
May 30, 2015, to a guest house
this words clearly shows that they know each other earlier only.
well, coming to point, lets assume that the accused have taken the
advantage of the lady's position of being blind and widow and used it
to his advantage.
he also cheated her to continue to quench his thirst of lust for several days,
so he should be definitely punished.
but one question stands unanswered,
if he is punished, he also looses his govt job. instead of facing all
these troubles,  why didn't he just marry her instead?
it is impossible to rape a  person in a  public place like lodge
without her co-operation. i  feel.
here we can assume that the lady realized his intention very late
after being locked inside the room and couldn't knew what to do.
kapoor may have managed  to  convince that he will marry her anyways
later and she may have made to surrender to sex with him.
he may have rejected to marry her later due to any reason which may
have enraged her to sue him.
the lawyers know how to manage the game later. and the story ends.
these are my understandings only.

On 26/07/2017, swati saxena via Ai  wrote:
> So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
> form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?
>
> Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
> However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
> relationship.
>
> It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
> house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
> not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
> which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
> sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.
>
> Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
> then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
> first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
> a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
> this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
> consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
> will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
> be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.
>
> If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
> then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.
>
> I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
> welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
> guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
> yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
> whatever kind.
>
>
>
> On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai  wrote:
>> No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
>> person.
>> Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
>> specially
>> for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
>> sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give him
>> the maximum punishment.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
>> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
>> Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>
>>> Dear friends,
>>>
>>> first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
>>> conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
>>> full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
>>> opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
>>> the matter under consideration.
>>>
>>> Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
>>> pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
>>> the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
>>> reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
>>> be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
>>> judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
>>> understanding of the matter.
>>>
>>>

[Ai] Fwd: Re: Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[mahesh09136 via Ai]

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 
George Abraham via Ai  Date: 26/07/2017  
5:15 pm  (GMT+05:30) To: "'Share, empower &Enrich'" 
 Cc: George Abraham 
 Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in 
Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping 
blind woman 
Just to make a small observation:

1. Even if a husband forces himself on his wife if the wife is not willing, in 
my understanding it amounts to rape. Strange as it may sound.

2. Even if two  adults are having regular sex for two years if the guy forces 
himself on the woman when she is not willing, it is rape.

Lawyers on the list could check this out!

George

-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
bhawani shankar verma via Ai
Sent: 26 July 2017 16:31
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: bhawani shankar verma
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: 
Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

right prateek, how can a consensus sex be converted to rape? if that widow 
was not agreed on her first encounter, why she did not go to police after 
first encounter? she was waiting far 2 years to trap that man? 
unfortunately, men have to suffer in india due to these gender biased laws.




-Original Message- 
From: prateek aggarwal via Ai
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:51 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: prateek aggarwal
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: 
Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual
relationship by her will and continued going on repeated basis. How
can this be even called rape is the question.
@Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the
door of court and found a favorable judgement, but I believe that this
can further de-motivate men to have sexual relationship with women,
even if the women are consenting to do so.
Who would want to get into troubles like this,  even after having done
sex with consent of the woman afterall.
The judgement would strengthen the opinion that blind women are not
quite  sexual being, which is already a prevalent  belief  in the
society.
This is truly illogical and one-sided in my opinion.
Unfortunate.

Regards,
Prateek agarwal.

On 7/26/17, avinash shahi via Ai  wrote:
> The surviver in the under discussion order is a widow; this fact and
> her precarious circumstance may have led the judge to pronounce such a
> harsh punishment. He however can approach the higher judiciary.  As a
> silver lining, There are very few blind women who knock the door of
> the courts when their bodily integrity is violated. This particular
> order should deter blind men in particular to not take blind women for
> granted and for a ride.
> On 7/26/17, Arjun Malhotra via Ai 
> wrote:
>> Wasn't there a Supreme Court Judgment recently on educated women and
>> promise of marriage. Why not apply that yardstick in this case as
>> well.
>>
>> On 7/26/17, Rahul Kelapure via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> Agree with Prateek. Here I also see a strainge attitude of the Judge
>>> to justify high punishment to the convict as the girl is blind and he
>>> took advantage of her helplessness as she was blind.
>>>
>>> While techniclly it could be rape but how many would Court award 10
>>> years riggerous jail for this kind of matter in so called normal
>>> cases?
>>>
>>> I think, Judge has gone overboard while pronouncing the sentence.
>>>
>>> This is like two extreme sides of attitude for disabled where on one
>>> hand they will have extremely symphethy or they will have abselute
>>> indiference or hatred for disabled.
>>>
>>> If She was so clear that, she would want to have sex only after marage
>>> then first marry and then do whatever. There are many matters where
>>> everything is consensual but when things do not go as per the
>>> expectation, slap with rape charges.
>>>
>>> Strainge.
>>>
>>> I am sure, this will not stand the scrutiny in the higher court. I
>>> don't know how well the defence fought the matter.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 While questioning court's decision is a crime itself in india, isn't
 this unfair to punish man while the repeated sexual relationships were
 established in mutual consensus of both the partners?
 As both of them had sex multiple times since 2015, how can this be
 even called rape on the first place?
 Yes the news suggests that the man has  promised marriage and   on
 that pretext this sexual relationship was established, but things may
 happen in the course of  2 years that may force a person to not marry
 other. That does not definitely take the fact away that the sex
 happened with the consent of girl.
 Promises like these are not documented here in india.
 Personally, I feel that the laws are sometimes being miss

[Ai] Fwd: Accessible software for mathematics.

[Office of Learning Support via Ai]

Hello,

Please check the trail mail and send us the details of the softwares you
have suggested for Shakul Raj Sonker.
Please share the costs involved as well as the duration for which these
softwares will be available, in addition to the other details.


Best,

Reena Gupta
Educational Therapist
Director, Office of Learning Support
Ashoka University



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-- Forwarded message --
From: Shakul Raj Sonker 
Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:48 AM
Subject: Fwd: [Ai] Accessible software for mathematics.
To: Office of Learning Support 
Cc: Aditya Sen 


Dear Office,
Please see the mail below and if possible please speak to them or
write to them about these software.
Thanks and Regards.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Ram Agarwal via Ai 
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 18:48:23 +0530
Subject: Re: [Ai] Accessible software for mathematics.
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
Cc: Ram Agarwal 

Dear Shakilraj,
For reading maths symbols on line Jaws V18 nows reads Math ML equations.
If you wish to scan printed books then you can select the Chatty Infty
software and save it as XHTML which is easily read with Jaws.
We can offer both these software at a very special discount so suggest you
may write to us.

In case you require any further information or assistance, please contact us
and we shall be glad to provide the same.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 3:39 PM
To: ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
Cc: Shakul Raj Sonker 
Subject: [Ai] Accessible software for mathematics.

Dear All,
I'm an undergraduate student of mathematics.
I face lots of difficulties in reading mathematical symbols/equations with
JAWS and NVDA, As we know that these softwares are not accessible with
mathematical symbols/equations.
I have also tried to convert my pdfs with aby fine reader but it did not
provide satisfactory result.
Can anyone suggest me a better software that can help me reading
mathematics?
Your help is highly appreciated.
Thanks and Regards.

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[swati saxena via Ai]

Rapes happen on the roads, in hotels etc. Nirbhaya is a classic example,
where rape happened in bus on an extremely busy road. Moreover going by
data and various researches / surveys indicate that mostly rapes are done
by people known to the victim.

On Jul 26, 2017 10:19 PM, "Prabhu Kota via Ai" <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

> On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
> May 30, 2015, to a guest house
> this words clearly shows that they know each other earlier only.
> well, coming to point, lets assume that the accused have taken the
> advantage of the lady's position of being blind and widow and used it
> to his advantage.
> he also cheated her to continue to quench his thirst of lust for several
> days,
> so he should be definitely punished.
> but one question stands unanswered,
> if he is punished, he also looses his govt job. instead of facing all
> these troubles,  why didn't he just marry her instead?
> it is impossible to rape a  person in a  public place like lodge
> without her co-operation. i  feel.
> here we can assume that the lady realized his intention very late
> after being locked inside the room and couldn't knew what to do.
> kapoor may have managed  to  convince that he will marry her anyways
> later and she may have made to surrender to sex with him.
> he may have rejected to marry her later due to any reason which may
> have enraged her to sue him.
> the lawyers know how to manage the game later. and the story ends.
> these are my understandings only.
>
> On 26/07/2017, swati saxena via Ai 
> wrote:
> > So according to some of the views, does this case does not demand any
> > form of punishment? Is the woman not a victim in any form?
> >
> > Absolutely, it should not be viewed from disability point of view.
> > However I not at all agree that it was a consensual sexual
> > relationship.
> >
> > It is clearly stated in the article that she was raped in the guest
> > house in the pretext of meeting an advocate. Is raping someone does
> > not call for punishment? If it is believed that this is something
> > which does not demand punishment of any form, then I question the
> > sensitivity and understanding of what does rape means for a women.
> >
> > Also even if it is consent (though I don't subscribe to this view),
> > then we also need to look what does consent means. If consent means
> > first victimizing someone, doing crime against them, above all showing
> > a rosy future, leaving no alternative for them (which all happened in
> > this case) and then asking for consent then I agree it was a
> > consensual sexual relationship. But if consent means an absolute free
> > will of a person, without any burden, any dependency then this may not
> > be a consensual sex but still demands punishment.
> >
> > If we go through the facts of the case, the victim was first raped and
> > then they entered into a relationship of whatever kind was it.
> >
> > I will reiterate my previous belief that the punishment is absolutely
> > welcome (though people may question quantum) for what happened in the
> > guest house. No rapist must be spared measured from what so ever
> > yardstick. Rapists must be given the harshest punishment demanded of
> > whatever kind.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/26/17, B. R. Nautial via Ai 
> wrote:
> >> No. I think, this harsh punishment would have not given to a normal
> >> person.
> >> Generally, in every society, there's a big sympathey for disabled,
> >> specially
> >> for visually impaired but if he is involve in such a bad incident, that
> >> sympathey takes a different way and in such cases, judiciary will give
> him
> >> the maximum punishment.
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "SPARSH GUPTA via Ai" 
> >> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
> >> Cc: "SPARSH GUPTA" 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
> >> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
> >>
> >>
> >>> Dear friends,
> >>>
> >>> first off, I think it is very wrong on member's part to jump on
> >>> conclusions without knowing the full facts and without reading the
> >>> full judgement as that would be the proper source to understand the
> >>> opinion of the H'ble Judge in light of the facts and circumstances of
> >>> the matter under consideration.
> >>>
> >>> Although the way report in Hindustan Times is reported is pretty
> >>> pathetic to be honest. The author has not been prudent enough to put
> >>> the full facts in the open and left many blanks to be filled by the
> >>> reader themselves on whatever suits them the best. Therefore, it would
> >>> be a unfruitful discussion till we have the exact copy of the
> >>> judgement. And being a lawyer myself, I can say that with full
> >>> understanding of the matter.
> >>>
> >>> and I completely agree with Nupur here that we need to look at this
> >>> from a general angle and not the differently abled angle. Our justic

Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.

[Nirmal Verma via Ai]

Yes it is for windows.

Nirmal

On 27 Jul 2017 10:33 p.m., "Asudani, Rajesh via Ai" <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

> Does VIET OCR work on windows?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] *On Behalf
> Of *Nirmal Verma via Ai
> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 6:51 AM
> *To:* Share, empower &Enrich
> *Cc:* Nirmal Verma; Prashanth MN
> *Subject:* Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.
>
>
>
> Dear All
>
>
>
> To use Tesseract you need a Global User Interface. For this you can
> download Viet OCR which i find good. After installing VietOcr, there in the
> software you will have the option to import more languages. You can select
> hindi and download hindi trained data. Thats it, you are ready to go. You
> can start using it immediately.
>
>
>
> Nirmal
>
>
>
> On 21 Jul 2017 00:04, "Prashanth MN via Ai"  inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
>
> At Mr. Nirmal. could you give more information about tesseract  based
> Hindi OCR?
>
> On 7/20/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai 
> wrote:
> > Rather than questioning the subject line lets see the solution. Lets find
> > out how we can install it under windows environment and take the work
> > forward.
> > Nice job sathyan. Congratulations.
> >
> > For readers information I would like to tell you that hindi OCR based on
> > tesseract is working great at the moment. Those interested can try it
> out.
> >
> > Nirmal
> >
> >
> > On 20 Jul 2017 18:56, "Kakarla Nageswaraiah via Ai" <
> > ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> > I don't find fault with his expression of the term 'sighted' in the
> > subject.  Maybe, he couldn't control his emotions like anxiety while
> > wishing to share his experiences with us.
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On 7/20/17, Akash Kakkar via Ai 
> wrote:
> >> Completely misleading title of the post. It also sounds a big hype
> >> creating and advertising post
> >>
> >> On 7/20/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Of course.
> >>> Such misleading headlines should not be used.
> >>> Besides, if it is a linux based tool, will most of us using windows be
> >>> able
> >>> to use it?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf
> >>> Of
> >>> Vidhya Y via Ai
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:36 PM
> >>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
> >>> Cc: Vidhya Y
> >>> Subject: Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.
> >>>
> >>> the line I have become sighted is miss leading.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/19/17, George Abraham via Ai 
> >>> wrote:
>  But what is this technology?
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On
> Behalf
>  Of
>  Sath Linux via Ai
>  Sent: 19 July 2017 19:32
>  To: ai
>  Cc: Sath Linux
>  Subject: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.
> 
>  Dear friends,
>  now I can read my printed books and I have the perfect access to any
>  library.I can read Malayalam, Hindi, English, Tamil, kannada and many
>  other languages. I for the first time brought a weekly purchased and
>  read it.a dream has become true. The most attractive  thing is that I
>  am not to spennd a single paise for it. Again, I have nobody to thank
>  for supporting in such a fasion.. an open source ocr engine has helped
>  me for it. It is revolutionary.
>  thanking you Sathyan.
> 
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Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.

[Nirmal Verma via Ai]

I may not be able to help you all with jaws but i can help you remotely
with team viewer.

Nirmal

On 25 Jul 2017 9:37 a.m., "Prashanth MN via Ai" <
ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:

> If you have already downloaded the respective language data, then, try
> to select the appropriate language by routing navigation Object to the
> mouse. If you are a JAWS user, try by using JAWS cursor.
>
> On 7/24/17, harshad solanki via Ai 
> wrote:
> > i am having issue when running ocr. viet ocr .net dialog please select
> > a language. but i don't find any language selection option. please
> > anybuddy guide with this?
> >
> > On 24/07/2017, Prashanth MN via Ai 
> > wrote:
> >> Thanks to Mr. Nirmal Varma. The viet OCR is working fairly  well for
> >> Kannada. It needs further development. I request Karnataka based NGOs
> >> and volunteers to train the language data.
> >>
> >> On 7/23/17, bilal ahmed via Ai 
> wrote:
> >>> hello to all
> >>> pleas gide me to download that
> >>>
> >>> On 7/22/17, suresh via Ai  wrote:
>  Hello List,
> 
>  Does it work with os window 7? If so, kindly send url to my email
>  id.
> 
>  With best regards,
> 
>  Suresh Kulkarni.
> 
>  kulkarni.sur...@gmail.com.
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On
> Behalf
>  Of
>  Santhosh Dhavane via Ai
>  Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:15 PM
>  To: Share, empower &Enrich
>  Cc: Santhosh Dhavane
>  Subject: Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.
> 
>  hello I am santhosh cansome buddy provide direct link? please to My
>  mail santhoshdhav...@gmail.com or you can suggest via mobile number
>  7406411382
> 
>  On 7/21/17, Prashanth MN via Ai 
>  wrote:
> > Thank you very much. I found Kannada language there and downloading
> > the same now. I'll update the results.
> >
> > On 7/21/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai 
> > wrote:
> >> There are so many languages available in tesseract. I dont know
> about
> >> the
> >> result of other indian  languages.
> >>
> >> Nirmal
> >>
> >> On 21 Jul 2017 7:05 a.m., "soloman s via Ai" <
> >> ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Nirmal sir,
> >>> Is  this applicable to all Indian Languages?
> >>> With warm regards
> >>> Solomon S
> >>> teachs...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> On 7/21/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai  inclusivehabitat.in>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Dear All
> >>> >
> >>> > To use Tesseract you need a Global User Interface. For this you
> can
> >>> > download Viet OCR which i find good. After installing VietOcr,
> >>> > there
> >>> > in
> >>> the
> >>> > software you will have the option to import more languages. You
> can
> >>> select
> >>> > hindi and download hindi trained data. Thats it, you are ready to
> >>> > go.
> >>> > You
> >>> > can start using it immediately.
> >>> >
> >>> > Nirmal
> >>> >
> >>> > On 21 Jul 2017 00:04, "Prashanth MN via Ai" <
> >>> > ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> At Mr. Nirmal. could you give more information about tesseract
> >>> >> based
> >>> >> Hindi OCR?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 7/20/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai
> >>> >> 
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > Rather than questioning the subject line lets see the
> solution.
> >>> >> > Lets
> >>> >> > find
> >>> >> > out how we can install it under windows environment and take
> the
> >>> >> > work
> >>> >> > forward.
> >>> >> > Nice job sathyan. Congratulations.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > For readers information I would like to tell you that hindi
> OCR
> >>> >> > based
> >>> >> > on
> >>> >> > tesseract is working great at the moment. Those interested can
> >>> >> > try
> >>> >> > it
> >>> >> out.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Nirmal
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On 20 Jul 2017 18:56, "Kakarla Nageswaraiah via Ai" <
> >>> >> > ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Dear all,
> >>> >> > I don't find fault with his expression of the term 'sighted'
> in
> >>> >> > the
> >>> >> > subject.  Maybe, he couldn't control his emotions like anxiety
> >>> >> > while
> >>> >> > wishing to share his experiences with us.
> >>> >> > Regards
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On 7/20/17, Akash Kakkar via Ai
> >>> >> > 
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >> Completely misleading title of the post. It also sounds a big
> >>> >> >> hype
> >>> >> >> creating and advertising post
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On 7/20/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai
> >>> >> >> 
> >>> >> >> wrote:
> >>> >> >>> Of course.
> >>> >> >>> Such misleading headlines should not be used.
> >>> >> >>> Besides, if it is a lin

Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.

[Asudani, Rajesh via Ai]

Does VIET OCR work on windows?


From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Nirmal Verma via Ai
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:51 AM
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: Nirmal Verma; Prashanth MN
Subject: Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.

Dear All

To use Tesseract you need a Global User Interface. For this you can download 
Viet OCR which i find good. After installing VietOcr, there in the software you 
will have the option to import more languages. You can select hindi and 
download hindi trained data. Thats it, you are ready to go. You can start using 
it immediately.

Nirmal

On 21 Jul 2017 00:04, "Prashanth MN via Ai" 
mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>> 
wrote:
At Mr. Nirmal. could you give more information about tesseract  based Hindi OCR?

On 7/20/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai 
mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>> 
wrote:
> Rather than questioning the subject line lets see the solution. Lets find
> out how we can install it under windows environment and take the work
> forward.
> Nice job sathyan. Congratulations.
>
> For readers information I would like to tell you that hindi OCR based on
> tesseract is working great at the moment. Those interested can try it out.
>
> Nirmal
>
>
> On 20 Jul 2017 18:56, "Kakarla Nageswaraiah via Ai" <
> ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
>  wrote:
>
> Dear all,
> I don't find fault with his expression of the term 'sighted' in the
> subject.  Maybe, he couldn't control his emotions like anxiety while
> wishing to share his experiences with us.
> Regards
>
>
> On 7/20/17, Akash Kakkar via Ai 
> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>>
>  wrote:
>> Completely misleading title of the post. It also sounds a big hype
>> creating and advertising post
>>
>> On 7/20/17, Asudani, Rajesh via Ai 
>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>>
>> wrote:
>>> Of course.
>>> Such misleading headlines should not be used.
>>> Besides, if it is a linux based tool, will most of us using windows be
>>> able
>>> to use it?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ai 
>>> [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in]
>>>  On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Vidhya Y via Ai
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 9:36 PM
>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>> Cc: Vidhya Y
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.
>>>
>>> the line I have become sighted is miss leading.
>>>
>>> On 7/19/17, George Abraham via Ai 
>>> mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>>
>>> wrote:
 But what is this technology?

 -Original Message-
 From: Ai 
 [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in]
  On Behalf
 Of
 Sath Linux via Ai
 Sent: 19 July 2017 19:32
 To: ai
 Cc: Sath Linux
 Subject: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.

 Dear friends,
 now I can read my printed books and I have the perfect access to any
 library.I can read Malayalam, Hindi, English, Tamil, kannada and many
 other languages. I for the first time brought a weekly purchased and
 read it.a dream has become true. The most attractive  thing is that I
 am not to spennd a single paise for it. Again, I have nobody to thank
 for supporting in such a fasion.. an open source ocr engine has helped
 me for it. It is revolutionary.
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Re: [Ai] Flexibility of smart cane attachment

[Dipendra Manocha via Ai]

The smart cane design is actually quite flexible. Till now there have been very 
few canes on which it had not been possible to fit into. If you are keen to 
have smart cane on your ambutech you can write to me away from the list and we 
can make it happen.

 

Of course, the rubber grip from the handle will need to be removed.

 

If people in the group also have other suggestions for the smart cane, the 
dialogue is on for smart cane version 2 to be designed.

 

If there is a wish list on what kind of enhancement is required to make your 
mobility more safe and comfortable, we are all ears for it.

 

We did not come up with support for Ambutech more widely as we were barred from 
making this solution available in high income countries due to few patent  
issues. Those are now resolved and this solution is now all set to cross 
several international  boundaries. To be able to do that we certainly will be 
putting this on several other types of canes including the Ambutech cane.

 

Thanks

Dipendra

 

 

 

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of Alok 
Kaushik via Ai
Sent: 25 July 2017 18:03
To: Ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
Cc: Alok Kaushik 
Subject: [Ai] Flexibility of smart cane attachment

 

Hi Dipendra,

This is in continuation with your earlier mail regarding smart cane. I am 
writing this in a separate thread to avoid mixing up of content.

 

Smart cane attachment has been designed to fit on a particular type of cane. 
Many people, including myself, use Ambutech / RNIB cane. Those canes are much 
more sturdy. Even though I have smart cane attachment I am unable to use it 
with the cane that I would prefer to use.

 

How difficult / possible is it to make the physical design flexible enough to 
be compatible with most canes?It is  entirely about the physical design.

 

Thanks.

Alok

 

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[Ai] Please change my subscription

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Dear Admin,

I am now receiving each list mail separately. Please change my subscription.

With kind regards,

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Re: [Ai] Fwd: Accessible software for mathematics.

[Aravind R via Ai]

dear ram agarwal sir, Kindly give the rates of that maths learning
tool with jaws software. we will plan to purchase for our local
library.

On 7/17/17, Office of Learning Support via Ai
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>
> Please check the trail mail and send us the details of the softwares you
> have suggested for Shakul Raj Sonker.
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>
>
> Best,
>
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> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 10:48 AM
> Subject: Fwd: [Ai] Accessible software for mathematics.
> To: Office of Learning Support 
> Cc: Aditya Sen 
>
>
> Dear Office,
> Please see the mail below and if possible please speak to them or
> write to them about these software.
> Thanks and Regards.
>
> -- Forwarded message --
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> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 18:48:23 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Accessible software for mathematics.
> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
> Cc: Ram Agarwal 
>
> Dear Shakilraj,
> For reading maths symbols on line Jaws V18 nows reads Math ML equations.
> If you wish to scan printed books then you can select the Chatty Infty
> software and save it as XHTML which is easily read with Jaws.
> We can offer both these software at a very special discount so suggest you
> may write to us.
>
> In case you require any further information or assistance, please contact
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>
> Dear All,
> I'm an undergraduate student of mathematics.
> I face lots of difficulties in reading mathematical symbols/equations with
> JAWS and NVDA, As we know that these softwares are not accessible with
> mathematical symbols/equations.
> I have also tried to convert my pdfs with aby fine reader but it did not
> provide satisfactory result.
> Can anyone suggest me a better software that can help me reading
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> Your help is highly appreciated.
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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Preeti Monga via Ai]

Who are we to sit around and pass judgement on what a lady is going through? 
None of us were in her bedroom or inside her! I think before we go around 
clogging inboxes with this most atrocious discussion,  we need to see what we 
are doing and thinking most of the time? 
I think we all want to just blame the lady for nothing, without knowing 
anything, and it is none of our  business to just go on discussing about some 
one  on such a subject! Please discuss something valuable instead!
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-Original Message-
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
akshun mahajan via Ai
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 20:49
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: akshun mahajan
Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: 
Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

Hi all,
Well I spoke to some of very close friends to know the truth of this
story and I have found both male and female are equally responsible.
Things were fine until boy did not get job.
This is also true that he told female that he will get her job and get
married with her but after getting job boy started avoiding she as a
result of this lady went to court.
One thing is very sure that she was not raped. They were doing with
consent when this lady find that after getting job he is avoiding her
and she got frusted and starting threatening this boy, boy took also
lightly as a result of this he was awarded punishment.


On 7/27/17, P. Subramani via Ai  wrote:
> in the end, it seems all laws are gender-biased towards women  including
> section498A, a sighted person wouldn't have received this quantum of
> punishment, obviously women are taking undue advantage of such laws,  many
> courts have made observations about gender-biased laws,  this lower court's
> judgement should be challenged in the higher courts where obviously judges
> are much more learned, in most instances,  decisions are reversed in the
> higher courts, media always reports such wrong things perpetrated by the
> disabled persons, they neverever report brighter achievements of  our
> community
> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
> Mob:  9738150192
> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
> - Original Message -
> From: "vivek doddamani via Ai" 
> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
> Cc: "vivek doddamani" 
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>
>
>> anything it may be my suggestion is the convict should go to high court
>>
>> On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
>>> we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
>>> it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
>>> and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this
>>> punishment.
>>> we may talk about number of years given,however
>>> to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
I agree this person had taken her to guest house
to meet an advocate and then he raped her after
coming out she could have immediately complained
to the guest house staff or to police, if the
sex was not occurred without her consent then
why she did not screem or shout for help,, here
notice that the man was also blind & woman could
have easily escaped from him and called for
help, here it is clearly understood that sex was
with full consent not rape by force. On 7/26/17,
swati saxena via Ai
 wrote: > So
according to some of the views, does this case
does not demand any > form of punishment? Is the
woman not a victim in any form? > > Absolutely,
it should not be viewed from disability point of
view. > However I not at all agree that it was a
consensual sexual > relationship. > > It is
clearly stated in the article that she was raped
in the guest > house in the pretext of meeting
an advocate. Is raping someone does > not call
for punishment? If it is believed that this is
something > which does not demand punishment of
any form, then I question the > sensitivity and
understanding of what does rape means for a
women. > > Also even if it is consent (though I
don't subscribe to this view), > then we also
need to look what does consent means. If consent
means > first victimizing someone, doing crime
against them, above all showing > a rosy future,
leaving no alternative for them (whic

Re: [Ai] Flexibility of smart cane attachment

[Alok Kaushik via Ai]

Hi Dipendra,

Thanks for your response. Good to know that  next design of smart cane will be 
compatible with Ambutech canes as well.

 

One functional enhancement  that I can think of right away is  to have a 
bluetooth  enabled miniature camera built in the smart cane. This  can then be 
paired with the smart phone. Apps like seeing AI can then be used to get visual 
information as well.

 

If there are any guidelines or constraints on what can or cannot be considered 
for the new design, please let us know. I  may send more  suggestions as the  
discussion progresses.

 

Thanks.

Alok

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of 
Dipendra Manocha via Ai
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:56 PM
To: 'Share, empower &Enrich'
Cc: Dipendra Manocha; 'Alok Kaushik'
Subject: Re: [Ai] Flexibility of smart cane attachment

 

The smart cane design is actually quite flexible. Till now there have been very 
few canes on which it had not been possible to fit into. If you are keen to 
have smart cane on your ambutech you can write to me away from the list and we 
can make it happen.

 

Of course, the rubber grip from the handle will need to be removed.

 

If people in the group also have other suggestions for the smart cane, the 
dialogue is on for smart cane version 2 to be designed.

 

If there is a wish list on what kind of enhancement is required to make your 
mobility more safe and comfortable, we are all ears for it.

 

We did not come up with support for Ambutech more widely as we were barred from 
making this solution available in high income countries due to few patent  
issues. Those are now resolved and this solution is now all set to cross 
several international  boundaries. To be able to do that we certainly will be 
putting this on several other types of canes including the Ambutech cane.

 

Thanks

Dipendra

 

 

 

 

From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of Alok 
Kaushik via Ai
Sent: 25 July 2017 18:03
To: Ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in
Cc: Alok Kaushik 
Subject: [Ai] Flexibility of smart cane attachment

 

Hi Dipendra,

This is in continuation with your earlier mail regarding smart cane. I am 
writing this in a separate thread to avoid mixing up of content.

 

Smart cane attachment has been designed to fit on a particular type of cane. 
Many people, including myself, use Ambutech / RNIB cane. Those canes are much 
more sturdy. Even though I have smart cane attachment I am unable to use it 
with the cane that I would prefer to use.

 

How difficult / possible is it to make the physical design flexible enough to 
be compatible with most canes?It is  entirely about the physical design.

 

Thanks.

Alok

 

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Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Namita Agarwal via Ai]

hi agree with Preeti
who knows the truth none of us, and contemplating with the facts, is of no use
the one who suffers in this is the eight year old child.
it is better the disabled keep a clean picture so that they do not
close doors for others.
maintain distance with opposite sex and if really interested have a
legal marriage and then go for it.

On 7/27/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
 wrote:
> courts are not biased, our laws are biased. if a man wrongly forced to the
> legal matter against a female, specially family matters, domestic violence,
> or relationship matters, it is presumed that male is rakshas and the female
> is devi.
> turn this case 180 degree angle. and think whether a woman can siduce a man
> for sex or not. if it is, who would be the victim man or woman. there are
> many cases specially in corporate environment where the male employees are
> facing false charges and departmental enquiries of seduction.
> unfortunately, in IPC it is presumed that only man can seduce a woman. the
> laws are to be amended as per the rules of equality. can a male lodge an FIR
> against a female related to seduction? if it is so, please let me know the
> relevant section of IPC.
> in my opinion, the word male and female should be replaced with a person and
> the word husband and wife should be replaced with a word "spouse"
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:52 PM
> To: Share, empower &Enrich
> Cc: Dinesh Kaushal
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>
> Well put Swati,
>
> Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
> article.
>
> We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from such
> discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. How
> come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been unnecessarily
> biased against men?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
> swati saxena via Ai
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
> To: Share, empower &Enrich 
> Cc: swati saxena 
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>
> HI All,
>
> Directly quoting from the article below lines.
> "On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage."
>
> It clearly states that the victim was raped by the convict first time
> on pretext of meeting an advocate. How can it be justified as having
> sexual relationship with the consent of the women? The lines further
> states that later he abused her promising marriage. The words "
> pretext of meeting an advocate" and "abuse" are enough evidences to
> impose rigorous" punishment on the convict.
>
> Subsequent sexual relationship could be on consent basis (facts in the
> article insufficient to conclude the consent part), however this does
> not in any case justify his act of raping the women for the first time
> in the guest house. The interpretation by members that at the first
> instance also it was on consent is wrong. I believe no matter whatever
> happened after that, this punishment is highly justified for what he
> did in the guest house. Future innocence (though no proof of that in
> the article) in any case, cannot justify the heinous crime in the
> first instance.
>
> Comments like “men have to suffer in India because of these gender
> biased laws” and “this would further de-motivate men to have sexual
> relationship with women even with their consent”are highly
> unfortunate. These statements try to show that men are highly
> vulnerable in the hands of women because of these laws which is not
> the case going by the rape statistics and innumerable crime against
> women in India. As such comments are coming from members I am forced
> to write that because of such grievous acts by men, females have to
> live in India under a highly controlled environment which acts as a
> roadblock for them in various scenarios during their whole life cycle.
>
> Cheers
> Swati Saxena
>
>
> On 7/26/17, vivek doddamani via Ai 
> wrote:
>> I agree with Prateek in sighted persons such cases occur but we have
>> never heard such a harsh punishment of 10 years, & in this case the
>> sexual relation had been between two person consent here we should use
>> the word cheating instead of rape,
>>
>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> The widow went in a guest house with the boy to have sexual
>>> relationship by her will and continued going on repeated basis. How
>>> can this be even called rape is the question.
>>> @Avinash, I agree that the silver lining is that women knocked the
>>> door of court and found a favorable judge

Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.

[Kakarla Nageswaraiah via Ai]

Dear Sir,
Please explain the 4th point in detail.  I am using NVDA but I don't
know about object navigation.
Thanks and regards.


On 7/25/17, Prashanth MN via Ai  wrote:
> About configuring Viet OCR for Indian Languages:
> 1. Download the appropriate version of the application and  install
> it. [The URL is given at the end]
> 2. Open the menu and go to Settings\Download Language Data.
> 3. Locate the desired language and tab once to get download button and
> activate it.
> After completion of download, restart the program.
> 4. Launch the application and select the language in the language
> combo box by MOOING NAVIGATE OBJECT TO THE MOUSE [if you are using
> NVDA[
> Hope, it is possible by JAWS curser as well.
> 5. Open the desired image or pdf document through open option.
> Note1: It may take a while to open completely and the title of the
> window will change into the document name.
> Note2: make sure the PDF document doesnt contain many pages.
> 6. Then go to menu\Commands and click on OCR or OCR All Pages, if the
> document contains more than 1 page.
> 7. After completion of OCR, go to menu\Save As and save the recognized
> text in UTF8 format.
> Here is the URL:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/vietocr/files/vietocr.net/4.3/
> With regards:
> Prashanth M N.
>
>
> On 7/25/17, Yogesh J via Ai  wrote:
>> hello prashanth  bro.
>> can you write step by step guide?
>>
>> On 7/24/17, Prashanth MN via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> If you have already downloaded the respective language data, then, try
>>> to select the appropriate language by routing navigation Object to the
>>> mouse. If you are a JAWS user, try by using JAWS cursor.
>>>
>>> On 7/24/17, harshad solanki via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 i am having issue when running ocr. viet ocr .net dialog please select
 a language. but i don't find any language selection option. please
 anybuddy guide with this?

 On 24/07/2017, Prashanth MN via Ai 
 wrote:
> Thanks to Mr. Nirmal Varma. The viet OCR is working fairly  well for
> Kannada. It needs further development. I request Karnataka based NGOs
> and volunteers to train the language data.
>
> On 7/23/17, bilal ahmed via Ai 
> wrote:
>> hello to all
>> pleas gide me to download that
>>
>> On 7/22/17, suresh via Ai  wrote:
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> Does it work with os window 7? If so, kindly send url to my email
>>> id.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>>
>>> Suresh Kulkarni.
>>>
>>> kulkarni.sur...@gmail.com.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Santhosh Dhavane via Ai
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:15 PM
>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>> Cc: Santhosh Dhavane
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] I have become sighted that too with no cost.
>>>
>>> hello I am santhosh cansome buddy provide direct link? please to My
>>> mail santhoshdhav...@gmail.com or you can suggest via mobile number
>>> 7406411382
>>>
>>> On 7/21/17, Prashanth MN via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 Thank you very much. I found Kannada language there and downloading
 the same now. I'll update the results.

 On 7/21/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai 
 wrote:
> There are so many languages available in tesseract. I dont know
> about
> the
> result of other indian  languages.
>
> Nirmal
>
> On 21 Jul 2017 7:05 a.m., "soloman s via Ai" <
> ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
>
>> Dear Nirmal sir,
>> Is  this applicable to all Indian Languages?
>> With warm regards
>> Solomon S
>> teachs...@gmail.com
>>
>> On 7/21/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai
>> 
>> wrote:
>> > Dear All
>> >
>> > To use Tesseract you need a Global User Interface. For this you
>> > can
>> > download Viet OCR which i find good. After installing VietOcr,
>> > there
>> > in
>> the
>> > software you will have the option to import more languages. You
>> > can
>> select
>> > hindi and download hindi trained data. Thats it, you are ready
>> > to
>> > go.
>> > You
>> > can start using it immediately.
>> >
>> > Nirmal
>> >
>> > On 21 Jul 2017 00:04, "Prashanth MN via Ai" <
>> > ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in> wrote:
>> >
>> >> At Mr. Nirmal. could you give more information about tesseract
>> >> based
>> >> Hindi OCR?
>> >>
>> >> On 7/20/17, Nirmal Verma via Ai
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Rather than questioning the subject line lets see the
>> >> > solution.
>> >> > Lets
>> >> > find
>> >> > out how we can install it 

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[Sandeep Singh via Ai]

That is taking it too far, I am afraid. Guess time to stop the discussion.

On 7/28/17, Namita Agarwal via Ai  wrote:
> hi agree with Preeti
> who knows the truth none of us, and contemplating with the facts, is of no
> use
> the one who suffers in this is the eight year old child.
> it is better the disabled keep a clean picture so that they do not
> close doors for others.
> maintain distance with opposite sex and if really interested have a
> legal marriage and then go for it.
>
> On 7/27/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
>  wrote:
>> courts are not biased, our laws are biased. if a man wrongly forced to the
>> legal matter against a female, specially family matters, domestic
>> violence,
>> or relationship matters, it is presumed that male is rakshas and the
>> female
>> is devi.
>> turn this case 180 degree angle. and think whether a woman can siduce a
>> man
>> for sex or not. if it is, who would be the victim man or woman. there are
>> many cases specially in corporate environment where the male employees are
>> facing false charges and departmental enquiries of seduction.
>> unfortunately, in IPC it is presumed that only man can seduce a woman. the
>> laws are to be amended as per the rules of equality. can a male lodge an
>> FIR
>> against a female related to seduction? if it is so, please let me know the
>> relevant section of IPC.
>> in my opinion, the word male and female should be replaced with a person
>> and
>> the word husband and wife should be replaced with a word "spouse"
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:52 PM
>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>> Cc: Dinesh Kaushal
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>> Well put Swati,
>>
>> Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
>> article.
>>
>> We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from such
>> discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. How
>> come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been unnecessarily
>> biased against men?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
>> swati saxena via Ai
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
>> To: Share, empower &Enrich 
>> Cc: swati saxena 
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>> HI All,
>>
>> Directly quoting from the article below lines.
>> "On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage."
>>
>> It clearly states that the victim was raped by the convict first time
>> on pretext of meeting an advocate. How can it be justified as having
>> sexual relationship with the consent of the women? The lines further
>> states that later he abused her promising marriage. The words "
>> pretext of meeting an advocate" and "abuse" are enough evidences to
>> impose rigorous" punishment on the convict.
>>
>> Subsequent sexual relationship could be on consent basis (facts in the
>> article insufficient to conclude the consent part), however this does
>> not in any case justify his act of raping the women for the first time
>> in the guest house. The interpretation by members that at the first
>> instance also it was on consent is wrong. I believe no matter whatever
>> happened after that, this punishment is highly justified for what he
>> did in the guest house. Future innocence (though no proof of that in
>> the article) in any case, cannot justify the heinous crime in the
>> first instance.
>>
>> Comments like “men have to suffer in India because of these gender
>> biased laws” and “this would further de-motivate men to have sexual
>> relationship with women even with their consent”are highly
>> unfortunate. These statements try to show that men are highly
>> vulnerable in the hands of women because of these laws which is not
>> the case going by the rape statistics and innumerable crime against
>> women in India. As such comments are coming from members I am forced
>> to write that because of such grievous acts by men, females have to
>> live in India under a highly controlled environment which acts as a
>> roadblock for them in various scenarios during their whole life cycle.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Swati Saxena
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/17, vivek doddamani via Ai 
>> wrote:
>>> I agree with Prateek in sighted persons such cases occur but we have
>>> never heard such a harsh punishment of 10 years, & in this case the
>>> sexual relation had been between two person consent here we should use
>>> the word cheating instead of rape,
>>>
>>> On 7/26/17, prateek aggarwal via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 The widow went in a guest house with the boy to ha

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[akshun mahajan via Ai]

I think instead of showing sympathy here Delhi based organizations and
activists must come forward and help this lady.

On 7/28/17, Sandeep Singh via Ai  wrote:
> That is taking it too far, I am afraid. Guess time to stop the discussion.
>
> On 7/28/17, Namita Agarwal via Ai 
> wrote:
>> hi agree with Preeti
>> who knows the truth none of us, and contemplating with the facts, is of no
>> use
>> the one who suffers in this is the eight year old child.
>> it is better the disabled keep a clean picture so that they do not
>> close doors for others.
>> maintain distance with opposite sex and if really interested have a
>> legal marriage and then go for it.
>>
>> On 7/27/17, bhawani shankar verma via Ai
>>  wrote:
>>> courts are not biased, our laws are biased. if a man wrongly forced to
>>> the
>>> legal matter against a female, specially family matters, domestic
>>> violence,
>>> or relationship matters, it is presumed that male is rakshas and the
>>> female
>>> is devi.
>>> turn this case 180 degree angle. and think whether a woman can siduce a
>>> man
>>> for sex or not. if it is, who would be the victim man or woman. there are
>>> many cases specially in corporate environment where the male employees
>>> are
>>> facing false charges and departmental enquiries of seduction.
>>> unfortunately, in IPC it is presumed that only man can seduce a woman.
>>> the
>>> laws are to be amended as per the rules of equality. can a male lodge an
>>> FIR
>>> against a female related to seduction? if it is so, please let me know
>>> the
>>> relevant section of IPC.
>>> in my opinion, the word male and female should be replaced with a person
>>> and
>>> the word husband and wife should be replaced with a word "spouse"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Dinesh Kaushal via Ai
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:52 PM
>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich
>>> Cc: Dinesh Kaushal
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>
>>> Well put Swati,
>>>
>>> Consent is absolutely important and many of us missed this point in the
>>> article.
>>>
>>> We may not know exact facts, so we need to restraint ourselves from such
>>> discussions. It is court to decide whether consent was there or not. How
>>> come we have just jumped on conclusion that court has been unnecessarily
>>> biased against men?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
>>> swati saxena via Ai
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:20 PM
>>> To: Share, empower &Enrich 
>>> Cc: swati saxena 
>>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>>
>>> HI All,
>>>
>>> Directly quoting from the article below lines.
>>> "On the pretext of meeting an advocate, Kapoor had taken the victim on
>>> May 30, 2015, to a guest house in Gurgaon and raped her there for the
>>> first time. He later continued to abuse her, promising marriage."
>>>
>>> It clearly states that the victim was raped by the convict first time
>>> on pretext of meeting an advocate. How can it be justified as having
>>> sexual relationship with the consent of the women? The lines further
>>> states that later he abused her promising marriage. The words "
>>> pretext of meeting an advocate" and "abuse" are enough evidences to
>>> impose rigorous" punishment on the convict.
>>>
>>> Subsequent sexual relationship could be on consent basis (facts in the
>>> article insufficient to conclude the consent part), however this does
>>> not in any case justify his act of raping the women for the first time
>>> in the guest house. The interpretation by members that at the first
>>> instance also it was on consent is wrong. I believe no matter whatever
>>> happened after that, this punishment is highly justified for what he
>>> did in the guest house. Future innocence (though no proof of that in
>>> the article) in any case, cannot justify the heinous crime in the
>>> first instance.
>>>
>>> Comments like “men have to suffer in India because of these gender
>>> biased laws” and “this would further de-motivate men to have sexual
>>> relationship with women even with their consent”are highly
>>> unfortunate. These statements try to show that men are highly
>>> vulnerable in the hands of women because of these laws which is not
>>> the case going by the rape statistics and innumerable crime against
>>> women in India. As such comments are coming from members I am forced
>>> to write that because of such grievous acts by men, females have to
>>> live in India under a highly controlled environment which acts as a
>>> roadblock for them in various scenarios during their whole life cycle.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Swati Saxena
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/26/17, vivek doddamani via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 I agree with Prateek in sighted persons such cases occur but we have
 never

Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday: Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman

[akshun mahajan via Ai]

I think instead of showing sympathy here Delhi based organizations and
activists must come forward and help this lady.

On 7/28/17, Preeti Monga  wrote:
> Who are we to sit around and pass judgement on what a lady is going through?
> None of us were in her bedroom or inside her! I think before we go around
> clogging inboxes with this most atrocious discussion,  we need to see what
> we are doing and thinking most of the time?
> I think we all want to just blame the lady for nothing, without knowing
> anything, and it is none of our  business to just go on discussing about
> some one  on such a subject! Please discuss something valuable instead!
> Preeti
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of
> akshun mahajan via Ai
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 20:49
> To: Share, empower &Enrich
> Cc: akshun mahajan
> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>
> Hi all,
> Well I spoke to some of very close friends to know the truth of this
> story and I have found both male and female are equally responsible.
> Things were fine until boy did not get job.
> This is also true that he told female that he will get her job and get
> married with her but after getting job boy started avoiding she as a
> result of this lady went to court.
> One thing is very sure that she was not raped. They were doing with
> consent when this lady find that after getting job he is avoiding her
> and she got frusted and starting threatening this boy, boy took also
> lightly as a result of this he was awarded punishment.
>
>
> On 7/27/17, P. Subramani via Ai  wrote:
>> in the end, it seems all laws are gender-biased towards women  including
>> section498A, a sighted person wouldn't have received this quantum of
>> punishment, obviously women are taking undue advantage of such laws,
>> many
>> courts have made observations about gender-biased laws,  this lower
>> court's
>> judgement should be challenged in the higher courts where obviously
>> judges
>> are much more learned, in most instances,  decisions are reversed in the
>> higher courts, media always reports such wrong things perpetrated by the
>> disabled persons, they neverever report brighter achievements of  our
>> community
>> E-Mail:  subramani6...@gmail.com
>> Mob:  9738150192
>> Facebook: facebook.com/subu.subramani.16
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "vivek doddamani via Ai" 
>> To: "Share, empower &Enrich" 
>> Cc: "vivek doddamani" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 4:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ai] Abhishek Behl reported in Hindustan Times yesterday:
>> Gurgaon: Blind banker gets 10-year jail for raping blind woman
>>
>>
>>> anything it may be my suggestion is the convict should go to high court
>>>
>>> On 7/27/17, Mahendra Galani via Ai 
>>> wrote:
 Vivek, it is very easy to say then to do.
 we men may never understand the Shame felt by women.
 it takes enough currege to do it, specially for the disabled women,
 and dont forget, court found argument good enough to handover this
 punishment.
 we may talk about number of years given,however
 to comment more based on this artical, is for me dificult.






 At 03:28 PM 7/27/2017 +0530, you wrote:
>I agree this person had taken her to guest house
>to meet an advocate and then he raped her after
>coming out she could have immediately complained
>to the guest house staff or to police, if the
>sex was not occurred without her consent then
>why she did not screem or shout for help,, here
>notice that the man was also blind & woman could
>have easily escaped from him and called for
>help, here it is clearly understood that sex was
>with full consent not rape by force. On 7/26/17,
>swati saxena via Ai
> wrote: > So
>according to some of the views, does this case
>does not demand any > form of punishment? Is the
>woman not a victim in any form? > > Absolutely,
>it should not be viewed from disability point of
>view. > However I not at all agree that it was a
>consensual sexual > relationship. > > It is
>clearly stated in the article that she was raped
>in the guest > house in the pretext of meeting
>an advocate. Is raping someone does > not call
>for punishment? If it is believed that this is
>something > which does not demand punishment of
>any form, then I question the > sensitivity and
>understanding of what does rape means for