[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from rim...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 16:39:45 + 2010 --- @murand, Haven't you heard? OO does not care about community requirements. LibreOffice is the way to go for community software. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from chadle...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 17:26:45 + 2010 --- @rimugu -- first off, I don't think the Issues reports is the proper venue for snide comments. Secondly, the so-called LibreOffice Community was a part of OpenOffice.org for the vast majority of the near- decade this has been requested, and has done just as little to make it a reality as anyone else. If they were so community minded - no issue with this much attention would have been on the to-do list for so long. Neither Oracle nor Sun ever prevented the community from fixing any bug it wanted to. They couldn't. Take your idiotic FUD elsewhere. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from rim...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 17:46:32 + 2010 --- @chadley78 First. You said it, They were part, that means the community is no longer part of OO. And that is undeniable. Second. Sun and now Oracle have stopped a lot of fixes, who in their right mind would devote time to this just to have it blocked? And the systematic blocking of patches is also undeniable. Have you heard of go-oo? And this is not FUD (no fear for users of having some other better suite, no uncertainty in a community driven suite, there is uncertainty in this corporate only supported suite, and doubt, well, a little reading can counter that in this case), it may not be relevant to the issue, but is true. OO no longer has community support, only corporate support. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from chadle...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 18:02:14 + 2010 --- @rimugu Yes, they *were* part because *they abandoned OOo* - note, the community didn't abandon OOo, the LibreOffice forkers - *they* (of their own free will) abandoned OpenOffice.org. Oracle didn't force them to leave. Again, it's impossible for them to do that. Oracle cannot stop people from helping others on the users list, from contributing code, from doing anything an open source community is supposed to do, but it's open source. By it's very nature, it resists centralized control. And, you still missed the major point, which was that the forkers had, what, 8 years, to work on this particular fix before Oracle had anything to do with OpenOffice.org. To blame Oracle for this bug not getting fixed for nearly a decade, when they were not even remotely involved during most of that time, makes no sense. So either you are an idiot who doesn't understand the nature of linear time - or you are a bald faced liar. Which is it? The fact is, this bug report has sat - untouched by *ANYONE* - community, Sun, Oracle, Google, Novell, LibreOffice Forkers, you, me - whoever - for over 8.5 years. I can't code. I can't afford to pay someone to write the code for me. I don't have the time to learn how to code. So, yes, I am as guilty as anyone else in not making this fix happen. But so are the LibreOffice Forkers. They are no more likely to fix this than Oracle, Sun, or Microsoft for that matter. When they actually do fix it, you come back here and let us know, ok? You know - when there is actually something *RELEVANT TO THIS BUG* to say. Otherwise, shut up. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from rim...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 18:15:30 + 2010 --- @chadley78 When they actually do fix it, you come back here and let us know, ok? Is that a bet? Oracle may be the new obstacle, but Sun prevented anything useful to be done in OO before that. And no the community does not have 8.5 years. Just because a project have that many years does not mean it get an automatic 8.5 year old community. Plus is much much less if we take the amount it took for part the community to give up on Sun and do go-oo, and even more for the rest of the community to give up on oracle and do LibreOffice. What is relevant for this bus is your defense of corporatate inactivity. Is relevant to know that there are other options out there, that have already incorporated fixes long rejected by OO. It is also relevant for this issue to know that what is left of the OO community (mostly people that does not know of LibreOffice yet) is fed up with the way the OO overlords ignore theirs users opinion. It is also relevant (although much less) that fixes long rejected by Sun and now oracle for other issues are being incorporated, but not here. A thus the possibility of someone finally committing to do this is much closer that ever was here. (because there won't be corporate overlords putting obstacles) Nothing wrong with corporate overlords, they have the right to do what they want with what they own, except being hypocrite and pretend they mean good to the community. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from chadle...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 18:40:57 + 2010 --- This is my last time feeding the troll... The OpenOffice.org Community is *OLDER* than 8.5 years. THIS BUG* is 8.5 years old. Ergo, (again, you don't understand the concept of time), the *COMMUNITY* has had 8.5 years to fix this bug, and has done jack squat about it. Those LibreOffice Forkers included. (The ones that were a part of the OpenOffice.org community before forking, of course.) There is no evidence that anyone, anywhere, ever submitted a fix for this bug, rejected or otherwise. If you want to take my words over to LibreOffice as a dare to fix this bug, so be it. I don't care who fixes it, or why, corporate greed, community spirit, righteous indignation towards me personally Whatever, just make it happen. I care about results, not politics. And until LibreOffice offers a better product than OpenOffice.org - I have no reason to switch. And until they fix this bug, they have no moral highground to stand on as it pertains to this particular bug. The ones that were a part of this community have just as much blame as anyone else, Sun and Oracle included. Note, I did not say more. I said just as much. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from chadle...@openoffice.org Fri Dec 17 18:41:06 + 2010 --- This is my last time feeding the troll... The OpenOffice.org Community is *OLDER* than 8.5 years. THIS BUG* is 8.5 years old. Ergo, (again, you don't understand the concept of time), the *COMMUNITY* has had 8.5 years to fix this bug, and has done jack squat about it. Those LibreOffice Forkers included. (The ones that were a part of the OpenOffice.org community before forking, of course.) There is no evidence that anyone, anywhere, ever submitted a fix for this bug, rejected or otherwise. If you want to take my words over to LibreOffice as a dare to fix this bug, so be it. I don't care who fixes it, or why, corporate greed, community spirit, righteous indignation towards me personally Whatever, just make it happen. I care about results, not politics. And until LibreOffice offers a better product than OpenOffice.org - I have no reason to switch. And until they fix this bug, they have no moral highground to stand on as it pertains to this particular bug. The ones that were a part of this community have just as much blame as anyone else, Sun and Oracle included. Note, I did not say more. I said just as much. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from mur...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 16 20:59:42 + 2010 --- Don't know what to add, It's obvious that a large number of users want the equivalent of Word's Normal feature to be made available and yet here it is (hard to believe - 8 years) later and its still being discussed. To steal an old phrase from Nike can we please Just Do It. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from mur...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 16 21:02:30 + 2010 --- Don't know what to add, It's obvious that a large number of users want the equivalent of Word's Normal feature to be made available and yet here it is (hard to believe - 8 years) later and its still being discussed. To steal an old phrase from Nike can we please Just Do It. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 This issue depends on issue 81480, which changed state: What|Old value |New value Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from cbra...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 6 14:21:25 + 2010 --- Whatever it takes, implement this capability and soon. The continued multi-year lack of a normal view / layout is appalling and shameful. As a result, I find OO unusable for much of the document work I do. And as others have written, it is really disgraceful that this hugely desired capability has been ignored for years ... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from e...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 7 05:16:33 + 2010 --- *** Issue 115953 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from urove...@openoffice.org Sat Oct 16 16:09:57 + 2010 --- I support this issue, because I think that the same problem is also valid for a hidden formatted text. What is your opinion? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from htgoe...@openoffice.org Mon Jul 12 18:38:06 + 2010 --- It's a shame this simple change has still not been implemented! The miss of this feature hinders me day after day. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from hamlet9...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 03:01:25 + 2010 --- I'm fairly certain at this point that OpenOffice is primarily funded by Microsoft to make sure that no open word processor that would actually be competitive with Microsoft Word ever gets a toehold in the public consciousness. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from chadle...@openoffice.org Fri Feb 19 05:07:16 + 2010 --- Eight Years?!?! This has been an issue FOR EIGHT YEARS? WTF. Now that Oracle has bought us out, can someone PLEASE get to work on this? OMG. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from c...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 17:47:23 + 2010 --- Hear, hear! While I appreciate the refactoring required for Normal mode, I second focomoso's call (Wed Apr 18 01:32:26 + 2007) for a body layout view that does nothing more than trim margins and padding from Print Layout. It looks like this idea is issue 103163. I think diverting a bit of effort from the main task would be worthwhile in this case. Body Layout view would be a way to sell OOo and convince potential users that the lack of Normal mode isn't going unnoticed. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from rie...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 22:04:48 + 2010 --- @cxw. What you are proposing resembles MS Word's Hide/show white space function. Implementation of this function was requested in 2005 (yes sir, 2005) by Sugna and again by me in 2007 and 2008. It can't be done. Or more accurately, the OOo techies do not give it the priority professional writers feel it needs to have. Your post is a sympathetic suggestion, but alas, it doesn't stand the slightest chance. You'll have to wait till all dependencies are fixed. As prirority is set at P3 and the target milestone at Later, I suggest you check this issue again in 2015. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from goranmari...@openoffice.org Tue Feb 16 22:11:17 + 2010 --- @riemer So soon? In that case, I guess I still might be on Office 2003 when this one is solved. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 6 14:52:41 + 2010 --- I'd like to support the adding this new feature to OOo. I miss it much because it is very useful for writing, reading and editing especially longer documents. This feature in e.g. Word (and others word processors) helps to move quickly and correctly in text. Margins and page breaks really obstruct any serious work. OOo deserves to have this good feature. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from t...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 6 14:53:27 + 2010 --- I'd like to support the adding this new feature to OOo. I miss it much because it is very useful for writing, reading and editing especially longer documents. This feature in e.g. Word (and others word processors) helps to move quickly and correctly in text. Margins and page breaks really obstruct any serious work. OOo deserves to have this good feature. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
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[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from hamlet9...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 31 01:02:13 + 2009 --- Happy New Year! ... man, OpenOffice still hasn't gotten out of beta by providing the most basic functionality found in every other word processor in the past two decades? Well, maybe next year, eh? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
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[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User gnasch changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'aschrage,focomoso,gnasch,|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi |jrahemipour,kpalagin,mba,m|pour,kpalagin,mba,moonfire |oonfire,pescetti,peterdoni|,pescetti,peterdonis,pmike |s,pmike,sbishop,toom,varlo|,sbishop,toom,varlokkur' |kkur' | - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 21 22:39:40 + 2009 --- strongly recommending ms word! - ms word has this feature since about a decade! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Mon Sep 21 22:41:50 + 2009 --- strongly recommending ms word - has this feature since about ten years - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from mdr...@openoffice.org Wed Sep 16 22:27:37 + 2009 --- This is the only feature preventing me from switching to OO. :( - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from cx...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 20 20:09:02 + 2009 --- I have recently switched over to Linux for my netbook OS, drawn by the open source ideology and the promise of an open source equivalent to Microsoft Word. While Open Office Writer does an admirable job in many ways, the lack of normal view is a fundamental, deal-breaking flaw. As others have already pointed out, being able to focus solely on the document at hand is crucial, particularly when dealing with longer formate creative work. Moreover, given the reality of netbook screen space, page breaks and top/bottom margins end up occupying a ridiculous amount of the available screen. Yes, you can scroll, but to do so effectively takes you out of the flow of the work. I was at first shocked that OpenOffice lacked such a basic and crucial functionality, but then again, not everyone writes hundred+ page documents on a regular basis. That said, I am excited that a forum exists to vote for its inclusion in future revisions. This is a great issue to vote for and, if fixed, a great fulfillment of the promise of open source. (That said, given it's been seven years, maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.) Please include normal view as a priority fix! Thanks. --- Additional comments from astronerd...@openoffice.org Sun Sep 6 22:39:39 + 2009 --- Seriously guys, how difficult is it to get one of the most BASIC features of a word processor included in your product? A normal view is how I have used word processors for YEARS and that's what I want to continue to use. Print view and Web view are fine for when I have a specific need to see how the product will look in those modes but when I'm working on a document, I don't need that. I need my normal view. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from mhmul...@openoffice.org Sun Sep 6 23:06:53 + 2009 --- This feature is very useful to work in a more logical way with the document. It is a mode which you only need to think about the text and its structure, without worrying so much about how it will look for the reader in a paper, a pdf or on the web. This could be done after the writing process and according the requisites of each specific way of view. So, everyone that agree with me, please vote in this issue or on those which this one depends on! Esse recurso é muito útil para trabalhar de uma forma mais lógica com o documento. É um modo que você só precisa pensar sobre o texto e sua estrutura, sem preocupar-se tanto sobre como ele irá aparecer para o leitor em um papel, um pdf ou na web. Isso poderia ser feito após o processo de escrita e de acordo com os requisitos de cada modo de visualização específica. Assim, todos que concordam comigo, por favor, vote nesta issue ou naquelas de que esta depende! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from cx...@openoffice.org Thu Aug 20 20:09:02 + 2009 --- I have recently switched over to Linux for my netbook OS, drawn by the open source ideology and the promise of an open source equivalent to Microsoft Word. While Open Office Writer does an admirable job in many ways, the lack of normal view is a fundamental, deal-breaking flaw. As others have already pointed out, being able to focus solely on the document at hand is crucial, particularly when dealing with longer formate creative work. Moreover, given the reality of netbook screen space, page breaks and top/bottom margins end up occupying a ridiculous amount of the available screen. Yes, you can scroll, but to do so effectively takes you out of the flow of the work. I was at first shocked that OpenOffice lacked such a basic and crucial functionality, but then again, not everyone writes hundred+ page documents on a regular basis. That said, I am excited that a forum exists to vote for its inclusion in future revisions. This is a great issue to vote for and, if fixed, a great fulfillment of the promise of open source. (That said, given it's been seven years, maybe I shouldn't hold my breath.) Please include normal view as a priority fix! Thanks. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from burakal...@openoffice.org Fri Jul 3 14:48:06 + 2009 --- I am very surprised this feature has not been added in the seven years that it has been known to be missing. For me personally, this is the #1 missing feature in Oo writer. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from zipliz...@openoffice.org Sun May 31 01:47:52 + 2009 --- This is the ONLY reason I'm using AbiWord over OpenOffice. Seriously the first thing I did when I opened OpenOffice for the first time was try to find how to turn on the 'normal' view. I can't work without it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User mba changed the following: What|Old value |New value IssuesThisDependsOn| |81480 Assigned to|requirements |mba --- Additional comments from m...@openoffice.org Fri May 29 13:10:02 + 2009 --- I have updated the dependencies to reflect the status quo of the work on the preconditions for this issue. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from varlok...@openoffice.org Thu Apr 23 17:25:27 + 2009 --- The space between pages is a deal-breaker for me; I would like to use OpenOffice on my EEE PC netbook, but there's just too much wasted space for such a tiny screen. I'm giving this one all the votes I can. Thanks - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User varlokkur changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi |pour,kpalagin,mba,moonfire|pour,kpalagin,mba,moonfire |,pescetti,peterdonis,pmike|,pescetti,peterdonis,pmike |,sbishop,toom'|,sbishop,toom,varlokkur' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from cjas...@openoffice.org Tue Mar 17 07:06:06 + 2009 --- This really really really needs to be fixed. I love this program but it's embarrassing that such a basic and sensible feature still has not been implemented. C'mon you guys! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from goranmari...@openoffice.org Sat Jan 31 16:34:24 + 2009 --- However, it seems that Word 2007 ruined the Normal view. OTOH, I dislike the ribbons immensely and I'm using 2007 only when I'm forced to, so maybe I'm missing something. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from kingsin...@openoffice.org Sat Jan 31 21:32:45 + 2009 --- I don't know how active wordperfect is at this point, but if memory serves, it also has a normal view. I'm a Mac user, and wouldn't even consider using Pages, because it lacks the normal view. I never thought of normal view as a power user feature. But maybe it is, because the people who seem to be most concerned about it are people who do extensive work in long or complex documents. The whole page metaphor is so pointless most of the time when you are doing text editing and writing (as opposed to layout and other formatting). It's just a distraction, an allusion to the typewriter or something. It's cute. It may work well for many people. But 25 years or more of normal view seems to indicate that that view works well for a lot of people also. I just can't understand why the user isn't given the option to have this view in OO. It's kind of a sad shame, and actually pretty damaging to the linux platform in general. This whole netbook phenomena is a huge opportunity for Linux. But for this deficiency in OO, I might well consider buying a Linux netbook. I already use Firefox and Thunderbird extensively. But I need a function office suite as well. The lack of normal view means that OO is not functional for my needs. So it'll likely be a win xp netbook for me. I bet a lot of other folks are in the same place on this. Alas. I don't want to learn to drive a car with a joystick where the steering wheel usually is. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Sat Jan 31 23:22:45 + 2009 --- Normal view as described in issue 4914: - Windows XP using ms word 97 (from 1997). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Sat Jan 31 07:03:47 + 2009 --- The one and only other word processor, except MS Word, who does offer normal view (wysiwyg) as described in Issue 4914, is Mellel. Pages (in iWork) does not. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from morostr...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 21 11:36:06 + 2009 --- I NEED normal view PLEASE - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from rie...@openoffice.org Wed Jan 21 12:43:38 + 2009 --- I have come to think Microsoft is behind this with a cunning strategy. They support a good and extended wordprocessor, so it is impossible for other development teams to compete against it. That way OOo eliminates all competition. Then they implement one or two serious flaws (no Normal View being the absolute deal-breaker), so OOo is no alternative to MS Word in the end. Everybody has to use Word again and Microsoft dominates the market with no competition whatsoever! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Thu Jan 1 23:58:12 + 2009 --- I had to test MS Word, because of issue 4914. Converting the MS Word file to Writer and trying to print, I found out, it prints in reverse order. For example page 777 instead of page 1, or page 1 instead of 777 (page 3 instead of page 775 and so forth). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from s...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 30 13:40:03 + 2008 --- Yes it would be convenient like in MS Word and the other word processors to be able to scroll by keyboard command (the keyboard arrows) from whole page to whole page like. Since this issue is around since 2002, I have given up hope it will ever be installed. Or maybe nobody knows whom to adress? Who (which non-anonymous person) would program a key command to scroll whole pages? I have no idea whom to adress and ask to do it. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from antige...@openoffice.org Sun Dec 21 13:21:54 + 2008 --- dgillham25 wrote:Under Web Layout, if I turned on the Nonprinting Characters, could there besome kind of symbol to show where page breaks are? If I had just that, I wouldbe happy. That ought to be quite easy to do, and would probably be satisfactory for at least half of us who can't use Oo as it now stands. I've done some programming with RichTextBox, and it's the easiest thing in the world to redraw dotted lines at page breaks with each repaint. Add to that caret position info on the status bar, and that should constitute an acceptable solution (short of the need to rewrite the entire code as appears to be explanation.) Web View, with visible page breaks. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from absolut...@openoffice.org Sun Dec 21 14:17:58 + 2008 --- 2antigenic - That would not do for me. I also need to see the line lenght and I don't wan't to work with small window to make the text readable and workable. Anyway web view should be what it was supposed to be - wisiwig text editor for making online documents. There is no point for page breakes at online documents. I think collabsible marigns (should not be that difficult to implement, because margin could be collapsed changing page style easisly anyway) would do for the most people until the proper normal view is developed. But after so many years of nothing I have to ask too, if there is some plan to seriously adress this issue. If not, I know It's time to change my working application. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from aaronlawre...@openoffice.org Sat Dec 20 13:02:31 + 2008 --- You can tell it is not a priority as it has not been addressed or even discussed for either version 2 or version 3. The developers also said it is very difficult and only preliminary work to prepare for it was being considered. It seems like one of those fundamental design issues that basically will never be addressed because it means reworking too much of the code. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from utsuse...@openoffice.org Thu Dec 18 18:30:12 + 2008 --- I'm glad to see so many other people pointing out how important this feature is. Any chance the actual programmers at OO might give us some clue as to when/if this might ever happen? I agree that if it just isn't a priority for you, it would be nice for us to know. If only so I can give up hope and see how well I do with abiword. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from goranmari...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 15:46:37 + 2008 --- Hello again. First of all, let me say that I truly appreciate the effort put into OO project by all the contributors. It is a lot of time and effort, and when you work on something for altruistic reasons, criticism can seem harsher than in case of commercial products. After all, one might say, how can we complain for something that is given as a gift? But if the gift promises a lot - and I guess we all perceive promises and, above all, marketing differently and we have high expectations for different reasons - it doesn't mean we won't be disappointed when it fails to fulfill them. Hence, IMHO, hamlet9000 reaction; I personally sympathise with you because to me this is the one feature that has stopped me from moving to OO on several occasions; from my perspective OO does not meet expectations, but I'd refrain from calling it crippleware or a joke: there aren't many large applications that don't have issues of some kind; we learned to live with some of them, others are nagging us even today. One of the reasons why I want OO to succeed is because I highly dislike MS's development philosophy that tries to cater to everyone, but at the expense of those who know more, and it bothers me to see something resembling at least parts of that attitude here. Let me elaborate. I know quite a few people who wouldn't even notice lack of this feature. However, they wouldn't really notice a lot of other features or characteristics as well, and they would be equally inefficient when using Wordpad, Writer and Word. I could go into concrete examples, but there'd be no point. On the other hand, I know only one person who actually uses word processors for heavy duty tasks or as her main tool who doesn't care that much about the draft view. So, in a way, Writer fits the MS way and it can replace Word for majority of people who are not heavy users. If that is the goal - as opposed to it being just part of the goal - then Writer fits the role, not necessarily by design, but it fits. But so long as that is the case, some of us will regard Word as the tool and Writer as its lightweight copy, in spite of all the other advantages it may have. Regarding copying from Word: I don't think there's anything wrong in borrowing something that work well. Rather, I think it's wrong not to copy a feature if the only motivation is to make Writer different. If Writer can offer Wordlike normal/draft view and feature extra customisation that would make it superior to the Word's view, all the better. @loucrazy You may consider this to be a small feature: I don't and I would use Wordpad before Writer because of this feature. The reason why I don't use Wordpad is because I use Word. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User thing changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi |pour,kpalagin,maccy,mba,mo|pour,kpalagin,maccy,mba,mo |onfire,pescetti,peterdonis|onfire,pescetti,peterdonis |,pmike,sbishop,thing,toom'|,pmike,sbishop,toom' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from postmor...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 17:13:28 + 2008 --- I second everything goranmarinic said in the latest post! I do also understand that implementing this feature is more complicated than many of us think it is but it would be helpful if it were eventually decided a) whether to implement this feature or not b) a clear roadmap for when it will be implemented if this is the plan If that were decided upon everyone would know where they were - those of us who want the feature would either wait for the version that will have it, accept Writer as it is or decide to stick with it nonetheless. It would also help making this thread more useful - currently it is dormant for a couple of months then someone asks for this feature, there is a short discussion and nothing happens until the next post asking for this feature. Even if the outcome were wontfix it would be helpful because then we at least know where we are! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from webne...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 18:09:35 + 2008 --- When I first tried out OO years ago, I would *never* have called this a show-stopper issue. I've been happily using OO for years, and it never has been an issue (the only real 'issue' I occassionally run into is word-oo or oo-word formatting issues... but that's to be expected IMO). However, I just tried to help my girlfriend make the move to OO. She is a very competent individual, has been computing for years, but it much more of an average user than I. The lack of Normal view has nearly lead to a huge argument. She can't necessarily articulate WHY it's so important to her, but apparently it is. Enough so that I think she's not going to switch. Keep in mind that she's not averse to change as a general rule. She's not going to just decide that because something is different it's bad. There is something *necessary* about the Normal view. I'm taking the time to make this vote for the Normal view, because in my opinion, what I have witnessed with her discomfort/unwillingness to switch, is indicative of a huge portion of the populace that needs to be supported for OO to get the penetration it should. I believe that *many* other 'issues' will drop off the radar if OO can get real market penetration (such as my formatting comment above). And I think that the Normal view will actually go a long way towards accomplishing that: - Getting someone to consider shifting away from a BEAST of an application suite they've been (in all probability) FORCED to learn, and have done so, potentially, many years ago is a pretty tough challenge. - Once they get the gumption to try it out, they're probably walking into it with a I don't know if I'll really like this, but I GUESS I can try it kind of attitude. - If they're greeted with something familiar/comfortable enough, they'll quickly get a sense of Hey! This isn't so bad. The skills I already have, apply here!. - If they're greeted with a (however minor) difference that is obvious and INSURMOUNTABLE, it will make them question whether or not they can learn the REALLY IMPORTANT differences. Ergo, they rapidly scurry back to that which is familiar. In short, I'm not really sure there there are real workflow/functional requirements surrounding the Normal view. There may be, but I'm definitely not the audience that needs that. Regardless, I believe there *is* a valid improvement on USER EXPERIENCE to be gained by its inclusion. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User maccy changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi |pour,kpalagin,maccy,mba,mo|pour,kpalagin,mba,moonfire |onfire,pescetti,peterdonis|,pescetti,peterdonis,pmike |,pmike,sbishop,toom' |,sbishop,toom' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from absolut...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 12:05:51 + 2008 --- Seems like discussion is turning flame... Well, at least something is happening. :-) @hamlet9000 Cool down. Wordpad doesn't have any advanced functions OOo Writer has. Actually only thing it has is Normal View, but Page View is missing there. So stop insulting other people. @sbishop Cool down. You probably don't need Normal View. Maybe you just not work with the documents long enough. This thread full of sane and intelligent post which explains why the Normal View is very essential feature. I use OpenOffice from version 1 and I can say that from my point of view no feature more imoprtant than this was implemented. Yes, many fancy feature was, but not this one for which I was really waiting for. Anybody who regulary works with long texts needs this feature very badly. Actually I don't find explanation about the early design choices credible. I'm beginning to feel that the problem comes from neglect of the developers. And this makes even more depressed... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from hamlet9...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 18:40:55 + 2008 --- @loucrazy: Due to the decision early on to use square wheels, it is now very difficult to implement tires on OpenCar. And then you wonder why I call OpenCar a joke. @absolution: OpenCar has a 5-disc CD changer and chrome rims on its square wheels. That's nice. But it still lacks the most basic functionality of a car. This isn't just an issue of Word has it and Writer doesn't (although when you're talking about basic functionality, that is an issue). This is an issue of every other word processor for the past 20+ years has this feature and Writer doesn't. @webnesto: Allow me to articulate what your girlfriend can't. The most basic functionality of any word processor is the ability to create text. Anyone responsible for actually creating large bodies of professional text can tell you that the page-level formatting of that text is completely irrelevant during its creation. Page View, therefore, offers no benefits during composition -- it is nothing but a large and significant distraction. In addition to being a distraction, it also poses a very real hindrance and obstacle by significantly disrupting the writer's work flow. Most experienced writers do not write in stream of consciousness -- they don't just babble out words. Instead, they're constantly aware of and checking back over what they have just written to see how the text is flowing. When you hit the end of a page in Page View, however, the flow of the text is artificially disrupted. On some screens and resolutions, you literally cannot see ANY of the text from the previous page. And even when you can still see some of it, your work palette is being routinely and senselessly disrupted. (This becomes particularly important during revision.) Imagine a paint program that, at regular intervals, changes the dimensions of the image you're working on or shifts the selected colors in your palette. It's not a perfect analogy -- but it's representative of the level of disruption OpenOffice poses to professional writers. So why can't we just use Web View, which lacks all meaningful formatting? Because while page-level formatting is nothing but a distraction, other formatting options may be useful and/or essential for a given project. As others have noted recently, for example, footnotes are particularly awkward and clumsy in OpenOffice. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from n...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 18:22:22 + 2008 --- I originally voted on this issue a long time ago, but given the flurry of recent activity, I thought I'd join in to show I'm still interested. In fact, I'm *more* interested than ever. I am currently working on a scholarly paper with some 50 footnotes, with several notes per page. Trying to edit across page borders with all the footnotes in the way makes writing much more difficult. Normal view avoids this problem by hiding the footnotes unless I want to see them. I just can't stress how jarring it is to compose across page boundaries. You lose a lot of context in that big gap between the bottom line of one page and the top line of the next (and believe me, you lose a lot more when footnotes intervene!). Please... can we get some indication that the development team is hearing these concerns, and will do something about them? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from sid...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 19:14:03 + 2008 --- I haven't commented in a few years because I can see there is no point. But given the activity generated these days i can't help but put my two cents in. IF YOU DON;T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM then you are not a writer. It would be like me wondering why you need to have a number pad on a computer, since i never use numbers if i can help it. I always have number block off, and as far as i'm concerned it can be eliminated completely. That doesn;t mean i would say others should do without it. My impression is that there are those who write and those who program, and for the most part they don;t overlap. People who do a lot of writing generally scan up and down the text, need to see what they wrote above and below, need footnotes, and SCROLL WITH THE ARROW KEYS. We generally do not use the mouse unless we absolutely have to. It wastes time. yes. i know it seems strange if you don;t do lots of writing. But it does. I do everything with keys, cancel word by word, jump paragraphs, highlight words, paragraphs, lines, change to bold, change to italic, everything. Scrolling with keys in ooo is like having a car with a steering wheel that once you turn it, will keep turning more and more on its own even when you stop! It's crazy. Programmers, no doubt, have other needs, and are just as smart as writers, only they work in a different way. I have no problem with that, we all have our way of thinking and if it weren;t for the geniuses that developed computers, i would be still waiting for weeks for my mail to get overseas and writing by hand with a desk covered in papers. But please, if you think there is no problem not to have a normal view, just remember, this may not be true for others. You certainly need special features that i would never have any use for at all. I don;t go around saying you're whining if you don;t get them and want them. But you are the guys who do the programming, so you get to get all your favorite and necessary features. We are helpless writers, and can only take the programs that are available, made by you programmers. Please try to realize that if you're doing a writing program, it;s the writers you have to please. Meanwhile, i will have to (with great anger and bitterness) stick to microsoft, hateful as it is, but i'm stuck with it. I was really enthusiastic about ooo. I really wanted it to work. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from rie...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 08:29:35 + 2008 --- They are working on it. However, I saw the specs and Normal View will not have margins. For the technical guys who made that up, it is a clever thing to do. For people like you and me, who do the actual (professional) writing, the lack of margins makes OOo Writer as useless as it is today. Worse still, it is like having a cigaret and no lighter. Maybe we should all vote for the function Hide upper and lower margins. That way we would get the screen that we need and that any other wordprocessor offers. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from absolut...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 13:21:07 + 2008 --- Right now I use dirty simply though not ideal workaround. I created page style Normal View Page which is simply the A4 minus the upper and bottom margin. When I'm in the writing stage I use this, then after I need to work with layout I switch back to standard A4 page or whatever I need. Yes, this is really far away from perfect but it's still better than nothing. I'm just wondering why developers are unwilling or uncapable to create just little bit more refined functionality than this. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from hamlet9...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 18:48:39 + 2008 --- I get e-mail whenever somebody comments on this issue. I think of it as my Has OpenOffice left beta yet? update. I'm joking, of course. But, on the other hand, here we are -- SEVEN YEARS LATER -- and OpenOffice is still a joke. (Your software can't even match the feature set of WordPad? You're a joke. Your software can't even match the feature set of WordPad but you claim on your webpage that OpenOffice.org 3 does everything you want your office software to do, the way you want it to? You're a liar. And you know you're a liar.) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from tomm...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 19:05:19 + 2008 --- @hamlet9000 i don't like your harsch criticism... despite this unsolved issue i'm one of those who still consider OOo a better program than MS Office. it seems your comments have nothing constructive in it... u r trying only to start a flame - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from absolut...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 19:23:16 + 2008 --- @hamlet9000 This criticism is really to hard. OOo has impressive feature set and developed quite well thorough the years. Kudos for developers. But the lack of the normal view makes using of Writer real pain for anybody who seriously works with the text, that's sure. I'm quite depressed by the fact this issue is not adressed, still has average priority and no mileston for the implementation signalled... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from zeroh...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 22:20:32 + 2008 --- @hamlet: While I share your frustration, those kind of comments don't help to speed up development. In fact, they usually just make matters worse. After all, who likes being called names when they've worked hard on something (though it may have some flaws). Having said that, I do agree that the lack of a Normal-type view, is a major strike against OOo's adoption. While I use it myself (out of support for open-source projects, and willing to put up with some pain), it's not something that I can seriously recommend to my co-workers or organization (all who use MS Word) until it's included. (That, and some remaining issues with notes (though must has improved on that score since version 2!).) I have a really hard time understanding why it's been so low on the priority list while other rather trivial matters have been implemented. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from eva...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 23:15:13 + 2008 --- @tommy27 Just because criticism is harsh doesn't mean it's undeserved. I consider OO Writer substantially inferior to Word mostly because of this issue, and an editor of last resort basically entirely because of it. (This includes preferring Word running in Wine.) I simply find the margins that you have to deal with rather distracting, and prefer to edit without them. (Disclaimer: I haven't tried OO3. I tried to get it set up on my work computer, but failed without root. It's possible it has the option to collapse top and bottom margins (like Word's page view has had for years), and this would go a long way towards alleviating my complaint. There are still a couple other outstanding issues that matter to me though.) @hamlet9000 That said, I agree with especially zerohalo: insults are not appropriate. Many of the OO developers are putting some of their spare time to help produce this for free; without them, it wouldn't be even where it is. They don't owe you anything, and you are out of place with your insults. I can name a couple dozen features I consider critical for a word processor to have that OO Writer has and Wordpad doesn't, and only one the other way, so that argument doesn't particularly stand up. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from hamlet9...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 04:31:12 + 2008 --- I'm sorry you guys got your feelings hurt because I said entirely truthful things. If you honestly feel insulted that OpenOffice can't match the basic features present in WordPad, then maybe it would be more productive to actually provide those basic features instead of feeling bad about people pointing out the cold, hard reality of the situation. And if you don't like being called a liar when you blatantly lie about the features your program offers, then don't lie about the features your program offers. Both of these are no-brainers. As for OpenOffice currently being a joke? Well, YMMV. But I'm still laughing. Some day, though, I'm sure Writer will stop being a half-crippled beta product. iabsolution wrote: This criticism is really to hard. OOo has impressive feature set and developed quite well thorough the years. Kudos for developers. /i IMO, you're talking about a car that doesn't have any tires. Sure, it may have leather seats and chrome rims and a 5-disc CD player and 3 separate DVD players and a GPS navigation system and OnStar and a diamond-studded steering wheel... ... but it still doesn't have any tires! - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from sbis...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 04:55:39 + 2008 --- Hi. Some of you may remember me from my 2004 comment. I do feel this is a major adoption blocker for a great many users. A great many users that you will never hear from because it is the first or one of the first things they notice. A great many users who are not going to progress beyond Firefox in migrating to Open Source solutions. This causes frustration, as many people want to use this software and want to evangelize it to their friends and peers, but cannot. They see no interest from the developers or drivers of the project - it isn't even on the road map. The idea that the mode that they spend 99+% of their time using is an afterthought and going to be difficult to retrofit does not inspire confidence. The idea that OOo has passed 1.0, 2.0 and 3.0 leaves them perplexed - they wonder why all the time has been spent on the paint job, tuning the engine and fitting a sunroof when the car still doesn't have a steering wheel. On the other hand, I work for a high profile Open Source company and the Open Office project is one of the pieces of technology that gave me a job. I live in SE Asia and am aware that there are *countries* in these parts using Open Office because it is superior in their localization. I know there is more to OOo than the word processor. I know the designers and developers haven't been idle. This doesn't make it less frustrating and somewhat embarrassing that my wife, a professional author, is still tapping away on an antique MS Word. The speed it took her to realize OOo just wasn't going to work for her despite the years of development and design would make an Open Source evangelist cry. She had never even thought about how critical this was to her until she saw a system without it. If you wanted to give her a use case, it would be I want to enter and edit large amounts of text without distractions. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from loucr...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 05:13:21 + 2008 --- Enough is enough! I'm really tired of all the silly comments being made on this issue. In 2004 I added my support for this issue, and I also voted for it. Now I am withdrawing my votes because, frankly, I am sick of a bunch of whiners who insist that everyone should only care about the only detail they can see. A Normal view is still something which would be very useful. Still, during all these years, many things which are really much more useful have been added. If you think that Wordpad is superior just because of one small feature (probably the only one it has), please go ahead and use it instead of OpenOffice.org. I suspect you might prefer Notepad, too. It has been repeatedly pointed out that due to early design choices it is now very difficult to add a normal view. Useless comments like I have read in recent days will do nothing to push the developer team to do some efforts in that direction. Of course, if yo feel that it's easy to add, feel free to submit the relevant code changes yourself :-) - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from dgillha...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 05:29:04 + 2008 --- It has been repeatedly pointed out that due to early design choices it is now very difficult to add a normal view. Would this compromise be workable? Under Web Layout, if I turned on the Nonprinting Characters, could there be some kind of symbol to show where page breaks are? If I had just that, I would be happy. I have been pleased with all the great improvements to Oo over the years, and would like to thank all those who are working hard to make it a great program, overall. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from tni...@openoffice.org Tue Dec 16 05:53:03 + 2008 --- Please fix this issue. It is one of the oldest, most voted, and still open. Please see the list of issues with votes greater than 162: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/buglist.cgi?field0-0-0=votestype0-0-0=greaterthanvalue0-0-0=162 There are not many with more importance. I am a professional writer and the reason I am still using Microsoft Word is the missing Normal and Outline modes of Open Office. Writing and organizing a long (novel length) text with OO Writer is currently a truly painful experience. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from goranmari...@openoffice.org Mon Dec 15 04:56:37 + 2008 --- I've tried switching to Writer on at least four occasions so far, each time forgetting why I didn't use it for more than a day and spending hours researching how to make it feel right. The lack of normal view is killing me even more than the Word 2007 and its UI which I'm forced to use at work. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Nov 22 16:17:48 + 2008 --- i gave my 2 votes to one of the oldest and most voted issues on this site. please, change target at least to 3.x... OOoLater is so vague... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 31 11:10:17 + 2008 --- *** Issue 83057 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. *** - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 27 18:45:09 + 2008 --- I'd really like to be able to use writer, but it's become a huge, unnecessary headache for me every time I try to. I'm a novelist, and it's massively frustrating to be forced to compose sentences and paragraphs continually broken up by large margins and footers/headers. It makes me lose the flow of the work. I can't understand why this issue hasn't been fixed yet, given that it appears it's been brought to their attention since 2002. How hard can this possibly be? Every other word processor I've ever seen (and I'm talking about twenty YEARS of word processors) has managed some sort of draft/normal view functionality. It seems just about as basic to me as word wrap. What gives? Could we at least get a firm target of when it might be implemented? OOo Later is not very promising. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User pescetti changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi |pour,kpalagin,maccy,mba,mo|pour,kpalagin,maccy,mba,mo |onfire,peterdonis,pmike,sb|onfire,pescetti,peterdonis |ishop,thing,toom' |,pmike,sbishop,thing,toom' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 27 20:23:26 + 2008 --- Sorry guys, I have to recall my previous optimistic post. The OOo team claim to be working on the main flaw in Writer and I believe them. Unfortunately, I also saw the specs of OOo 3.O RC and there is not the slightest hint Normal View will be implemented any time soon. The good news is that Google Docs now has a new feature that allows you to switch between Normal View and Page View (http://documents.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=95901hl=en). In this respect, Google's two-year old, browser-based word processor does better than OOo Writer. But then, so does any word processor... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 30 12:43:43 + 2008 --- @hamlet9000 As one of the most vocal critics on this subject, I think I have some good news for you. In the GullFOSS blog (http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/), there is an item in the ongoing projects called Writer: Refactoring – separate core from layout. This needs to be done before Normal View can be implemented. Currently, the core is bound to one layout at the time, meaning you cannot switch between layouts and/or screen renderings. Actually, the team is repairing a design flaw that is inherited from StarOffice. Once this is done, we are likely to see several more views (outline, hide upper/lower margins, etc.) in the same release. No idea why Mathias hasn't posted this activity on this mailinglist. No idea either when we will see any results. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Mar 30 05:13:33 + 2008 --- Checking back after six months, I see that OpenOffice remains crippleware unable to provide even the most basic functionality available on 20 year old word processors. This is not how you create a competitive or useful product. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 29 11:13:46 + 2008 --- @kalpesh99. They are already looking at it. Which after five years really is a major bread-through! The development team has a long to-do list. They (should) prioritise as follows: 1. Need-to-have for current users: serious bugs and safety issues. New essentials requirements, like a .docx filter. All top priority. 2. Need-to-have for candidate-users like you and me: people who would love to use OOo but cannot do so because Writer lacks basic features, such as normal view. 3. Nice-to-have for current users: bibliographical support, better ways to rotate pictures, etc. 4. Nice-to-have for candidate-users: irrelevant. Wether the team really prioritises like that, is for you to judge. See paragraph Development - past, present, future at the Writer page http://sw.openoffice.org. In defense of Matthias Bauer Co, I should add that he inherited some serious problems in Writer, especially the facts that part of the code is written in Java and that Writer uses fixed page templates. The latter problem also causes the absence of an outline feature. Solving this problem requires a drastic overhaul of the code. Unfortunately, this intended overhaul whiped a quick and dirty fix from the agenda. You and me, and tens of thousands of other user-candidates, would be helped enormously by an ugly fix at another programming level. The overhaul is technically the best thing to do, without any question. But skipping the quick and dirty fix is a colossal marketing blunder. I think this problem is keeping Matthias awake at night. If it doesn't, OOo Writer is doomed... Meanwhile, my Ubuntu installation is all set-up and ready. But I hardly boot it because there is no professional word processor for Linux. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 28 19:46:33 + 2008 --- This is such a simple thing and pending for a long time.. What's wrong with developers? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Feb 29 00:24:59 + 2008 --- I'm not the one who is against the OO. I evem wrote my thesis in Writer - and it was pain because of lack of normal view really. Finish normal view as soon as possible othewise we just cannot lost our time in that anymore. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Dec 24 06:42:07 + 2007 --- I have to concur with everyone else here. It literally blows my mind that OO has no normal/draft mode. I've been using a word processor in one form or another since around 1984. I can't think of a half decent word processor that lacks this feature. WP 5.1 was pretty different than Word 4.0 on the mac. But they both had draft modes, so it was relatively easy to jump from one to the other. Even jumping from Wordstar to another program wasn't too hard, because the metaphor of a continuous scroll of wrapping text remained the same. So let's be clear. This isn't a Microsoft specific feature. Call it anything you want. Just put it in there. I know this is only one feature. But it speaks at a very basic level to the entire writing environment. As others have said, this is the one feature above all others that keeps me from investing more than a few minutes into using OO. Could I get some basic writing done in OO if I had to do it? Probably. But would I choose to invest time really digging into it to see everything it can do? Not at this point. It would be pointless, because I would never work for any extended period in a program that doesn't have a normal/draft mode. I'm simply not going to draft a 30 page article or contract in page layout mode. It would be a truly annoying exercise. I don't pretend to understand every nuance of the software development process. But if there isn't some really specialized technical reason why this has not yet been implemented, I just can't understand how a project like this could be heading into version 3 still lacking this most basic of features. There is so much about the open source/free software model that is commendable. But it's things like this that underscore its problems and limitations. If I sound a little bitter, perhaps I am. I would love to dig a little deeper into the world of linux as a full-time computing environment. But without a usable word processor, I can't even begin to look at linux seriously. OO Writer seems the best candidate to be that word processor. But without normal/draft mode, it is simply not a usable word processor. It's like a car with a fancy, fuel injected engine, six speaker Dolby surround, and levers where the steering wheel should be. Maybe in time one could learn to steer with the levers, but why should one be forced to do that, when it seems like it would be so easy to give people a choice of interface. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 19 18:47:13 + 2007 --- Just realized this ain't a planned feature for 2.4 or 3.0 or even 3.x? Means we gotta wait indefinitely? - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Dec 19 20:08:20 + 2007 --- @ipporek. That's right. Normal view is not even scheduled for 3.0. Have you tried AbiWord? It is not as sophisticated as OOo Writer, but at least it has got all the basics right. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Nov 22 08:08:21 + 2007 --- The lack of this view option is precisely what's holding me back from using Writer. Really do hope it'd be added in soon. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 11 21:22:39 + 2007 --- LET US MAKE NORMAL VIEW OOo's #1 PROBLEM AND TOP PRIORITY The other day, I installed OOo on my new computer because I needed OOo Impress (which is free). I dutifully checked out a Draft View option or Hide Margins option in OOo Writer but it still wasn't there, of course. After five years, it doesn't have priority for OOo's development team. It does for me, however. I read the Wiki and now I know there won't be a solution for a very long time unless we -- discontent former OOo Writer users -- take action. The OOo team is implementing preconditions for different views/layouts. That is a nice excuse for not implementing the simple feature we need. If it is possible to Show/Hide text borders (in the View menu), it should also be possible to Show/Hide _margins_ (alas, not in the View menu). That is not a matter of a different layout, it is matter of simply hiding the margins on the screen. It may not be typical Draft View but everybody would be perfectly happy. It is not on the OOo team's agenda. So let us make their top priority. Waiting five years is enough. We have had it. Let us all visit the download and review sites. Let us rate OOo as low as possible. Add comment where possible, stating that OOo Writer lacks Normal View as well as Hide Margins which makes the program utterly useless for almost any purpose. Mobilize your friends and collegues. Ask them to do the same. Share the review sites you found with others, so they can rate OOo at that site, too. Don't forget to mail Ubuntu and Dell. They are trying to promote Unix for desktops which will be in vain if users are forced to use the OOo Writer crippleware. Let us all join to make Hide Margins OOo's #1 problem. And maybe, just maybe, they will schedule the fixing of this scam for December. Maybe even this year. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 11 21:38:20 + 2007 --- I would like to add that the OOo team is doing a great job, and that I think we are most likely to get this issue resolved if we keep the tone civilized. I severely doubt that the OOo team is looking for excuses as the previous commenter stated. The OOo team is doing a great job, and as potential users we should support them in that job, but just state what we are looking for in a sober manner. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Sep 11 22:01:05 + 2007 --- Thanks for your understanding. The previous commenter has disqualified himself sufficiently by the way he wrote and by showing that he doesn't have the slightest idea of how this (indeed important) feature has to be implemented. I wouldn't comment his trolling attempt at all but I feel the need to support your appreciative comment with some data and arguments. First I have to admit that we have a very unfortunate situation. In my humble opinion it can't be denied that OOo developers ignored some important features for far too long. But knowing this today does not give us the implementation immediately for all these missing features. We have 5,6 or more important missing features where each of them will take 2-3 months or more to be implemented. As the time until 3.0 Beta is limited we can't do all of them. This is a simple math that can't be overcome by comments like the ones of your two immediate predecessors. I'm very pleased that we are able to implement at least an improved notes functionality (BTW: this one is No. 1 in the list of votes!), the centered view (No.6), and hopefully the multiple page view (No.2 in the list). I would be glad to have the normal view (No.8) and the (IMHO even more important and also more requested) outline view for (No.4) 3.0 also but this is just impossible in the time remaining. Please consider that we also have to fix many bugs, implement a new docx filter etc. The preconditions I have written about aren't an excuse, they just describe what has to be done to get the feature implemented. And we are already working on them. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 User maccy changed the following: What|Old value |New value CC|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi|'aschrage,focomoso,jrahemi |pour,kpalagin,mba,moonfire|pour,kpalagin,maccy,mba,mo |,peterdonis,pmike,sbishop,|onfire,peterdonis,pmike,sb |toom' |ishop,toom' - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Sep 2 07:54:30 + 2007 --- mba wrote: I hope it gives you some understanding why such a feature is quite some work to do and what must be done in Writer before we could even start. While it does give some insight, I'm afraid it does little to alleviate meaningful concern. Every time I show OpenOffice to someone, their response upon learning that it lacks a Normal/Draft View is virtually identical: Yuck. Whenever I setup a new computer (like the one I'm working on now), I'll think to myself: Okay, let's install OpenOffice. And then I'll use it for a few days (like I've been doing with the current installation), and then I'll hit a point where my composition is being actively hindered by the lack of the Normal/Draft view. And I'll think to myself, Geez, this is ridiculous. There must be a fix for this by now. And I'll go poking around and discover that, no, there still isn't a fix. And, as far as anyone can tell, there will never be a fix for this egregious shortcoming in the program. Eventually I'll hit enough of these snags that I'll uninstall the crippleware which appears to be OpenOffice's perpetual fate and dig out the Microsoft Office discs. I have tried to convert dozens of people to OpenOffice. None of them have ever done so. And the dealbreaker every single time? The lack of a Normal/Draft View in Writer. To be clear: We have been waiting more than half a decade for this absolutely essential feature. The failure to provide it has turned OpenOffice into a joke. Unfortunately, it's not a particularly funny joke. One can only hope that, at some point, the development team will resolve to fix their program so that it's no longer a laughable excuse for a word processing program that's being outperformed by 20 year old software. I'll check back in around May 15, 2012. Although I'm not holding out much hope... - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 10:14:39 + 2007 --- This is a showstopper for me. Many people such as myself (and students, journalists, writers, researchers) use word processors for text editing and may work on the same text for months or years and, perhaps, switch to layout mode at the very end. We choose word processors on the basis of how productive we can be in a given word processor, and the lack of a normal view option immediately makes Writer very unattractive. To anybody reading this who does not not understand this issue because they don't use word processors for text editing: Doing word processing in print layout mode is just as bad as it would be doing programming in print layout mode. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 10:40:14 + 2007 --- I have been following this issue for a while and have observed no response to the emphatic and sincere pleas that stretch back four years. This may be a difficult change but is it not obvious that this is a widely desired and fundamental feature? I am prepared to wait patiently for a few more years, but I think we would all appreciate a reasoned response from the management as to why this pivotal usability issue is languishing. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 11:00:41 + 2007 --- So you overlooked my comment from february this year? See http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914#desc41 Please follow the link in that comment to read more about the matter. In addition to that I can tell that we have started to implement what I called the precondition for new layouts/views in Writer: there's ongoing work for enabling Writer to maintain more than one different layout at a time. When we can start to implement the Outliner View mainly depends on how many resources we will need to implement the OOXML import and the ODF 1.2 features, including improved support for bibliographic data (the latter is the missing feature in Writer that by far has the most votes for getting implemented!). - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 11:17:22 + 2007 --- Glad to see new contributions to the discussion, but concerned about how we convert this level of interest into a higher priority for this issue? We're all voting for this change already - what else can be done? I'm not clear how the prioritization of work is carried out by the OOo team: such forward plans as exist on the website (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Planned_Work) don't explicitly mention Normal View. Looking at that list of planned work, could we perhaps challenge some of the entries? For example, these three: - Better support for citations (probably using meta data and text fields) - Improved handling of sections and associated page styles - Page break special characters Are they really more important than Normal View? As an open project, shouldn't it be possible to read the team's rationale or justification for the items in this list? Another page (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer_Stuff_Under_Evaluation) does suggest that Normal View is at least on the Writer team's radar. From reading the Wiki article on Writer Views (link in a previous post), I think it will need to wait for the necessary refactoring to be done first (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOo_Writer_Refactoring). I vote that the refactoring is given a high priority. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 11:18:26 + 2007 --- Apologies, I did miss that. I am please to hear it is on the radar and considered important by the developers but it is registered against the 'later' milestone which in my experience means the opposite. Obviously I defer to the votes but I consider this far more fundamental than a bibliography feature. Word's bibliography feature feels important even though it is crap and I have not used it since university, where as the reason I do not use OOo at all day-to-day is the lack of a 'normal view'. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 12:03:29 + 2007 --- With all due respect, the comparison between the votes for improved support for bibliographic data (by far the most) and the votes for Normal View is a huge mistake. The bibiographic data requests come from OOo users. It is a nice-to-have feature for existing users. Noone will decide not to use OOo because it lacks bib-data support. The people asking for Normal View may be a minority but they are representing probably hundreds of thousands of people who simply cannot use OOo. The contributors to this list are just the ones who care to tell you why. Because the lack of Normal View is an absolute showstopper. That being said, I am glad to hear that Normal View is back on the radar. I would love to use OOo again. - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jul 17 12:35:09 + 2007 --- I'm not pleased by the later target also but the only alternative would be not determined. IMHO this would express the current state better but the official task handling states that not determined is not acceptable as it is treated like no target. So later is the default target for everything that is not yet planned to become integrated until the next major release date. It doesn't exclude that this might happen though. About the votes: I didn't want to say that bibliography is more important because it has more votes; on the contrary, the priority of issues is much more complicated, see http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/why_all_issues_are_equal - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4914 --- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Jun 21 07:29:25 + 2007 --- I have to agree. To have accumulated 91 votes, and for it to remain later after 5 years does show a lack of seriousness when it comes to user feedback. The situation is no better with issue 18829 or issue 2497 or issue 7998 or issue 1596. Surely there should be no 4-digit issue numbers still open by now? So what about issue 172? A priority 3 defect from the year 2000, still targetted at later - Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[sw-issues] [Issue 4914] normal view option needed
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