[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
I do not understand the tone of some of the comments on this simple question. Banned from awards for life? Seriously? It's a HOBBY. I think some people take this stuff way too seriously. To answer the original posters question, K8YSE has several recording of the sats on his website: http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html And as a backup recorder, if you have a cell phone, it has a record or memo option. Jim Adams - K0BAM Ridgway, Colorado ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
Yes I am serious Yes it is a hobby. But also there are achievement awards. That are to some not worth anything but to others they are worth a LOT, it shows their skills and effectiveness of THEIR STATION! And THEIR OPERATING ABILITIES, Not copying the information, and getting the info from a third source is cheating in the purest form. And taints the achievements the rest of us have made by making the contact with our station alone. Maybe I'm old skool on this, but to me unless you did everything yourself to make the contact, then you did not make the contact. Simple, Joe WB9SBD On 2/7/2011 2:59 PM, Jim Adams wrote: I do not understand the tone of some of the comments on this simple question. Banned from awards for life? Seriously? It's a HOBBY. I think some people take this stuff way too seriously. To answer the original posters question, K8YSE has several recording of the sats on his website: http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html And as a backup recorder, if you have a cell phone, it has a record or memo option. Jim Adams - K0BAM Ridgway, Colorado ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 13:59 -0700, Jim Adams wrote: I do not understand the tone of some of the comments on this simple question. Banned from awards for life? Seriously? It's a HOBBY. I think some people take this stuff way too seriously. This entire thread has been a great example of exactly what is wrong with not just the amsat community, but the hobby in general. Get back to talking to people and playing with technology. Every time you bring a competitive element into something, it all just goes to hell. Stop the dick-size contest, and start playing with radios. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
On 02/07/2011 04:23 PM, Joe wrote: Yes I am serious Yes it is a hobby. But also there are achievement awards. That are to some not worth anything but to others they are worth a LOT, it shows their skills and effectiveness of THEIR STATION! And THEIR OPERATING ABILITIES It does not show that. Awards are given to people who want them. Having 100 or 1000 grids confirmed, while admirable, does not make your skills any better then the person who has one or ten. There was a gentleman in the latest QST who uploaded his contacts into LoTW and found out he had a 5BDXCC, did getting that piece of paper change his skill level or effectiveness of his station? Nope. It's just some wall fodder. Also, quoting because Gordon hits the nail on the head: On 02/07/2011 04:39 PM, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: Get back to talking to people and playing with technology. Every time you bring a competitive element into something, it all just goes to hell. Stop the dick-size contest, and start playing with radios. DING DING DING! -- Ben Jackson - N1WBV - New Bedford, MA bbj at innismir.net - http://www.innismir.net/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
You can thank the ARRL for all the contest and awards chasing. They have done as much bad for the hobby as they have the good things thats my 2 cents worth and PLEASE NO RE comments WA4HFN - Original Message - From: Gordon JC Pearce gordon...@gjcp.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, February 7, 2011 3:39:50 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011 On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 13:59 -0700, Jim Adams wrote: I do not understand the tone of some of the comments on this simple question. Banned from awards for life? Seriously? It's a HOBBY. I think some people take this stuff way too seriously. This entire thread has been a great example of exactly what is wrong with not just the amsat community, but the hobby in general. Get back to talking to people and playing with technology. Every time you bring a competitive element into something, it all just goes to hell. Stop the dick-size contest, and start playing with radios. Gordon MM0YEQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
Mike, It was Walt, WP4T 73, Rick WA4NVM Hello to the group - My recorder battery died during a pass of AO-51 yesterday (2/5/2011) I think the pass was approximately 18:53 UTC - it was a mainly east coast pass. I made a contact with WP3T, I believe, which is why I rely so much on my recorder. Many of you know how bad I mess up calls so I may have the suffix of the call incorrect. I just failed to notice the battery was running low. If anyone may be able to help me out I would appreciate it... Thanks in advance and I hope everyone enjoys the 10 hours of Super Bowl Pre-Game... 73's, Michael, K4MOA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
Mike, I jumped on that one to quick. I just listened to my recording and you worked WP3PZ. Sorry about the error, Rick Hello to the group - My recorder battery died during a pass of AO-51 yesterday (2/5/2011) I think the pass was approximately 18:53 UTC - it was a mainly east coast pass. I made a contact with WP3T, I believe, which is why I rely so much on my recorder. Many of you know how bad I mess up calls so I may have the suffix of the call incorrect. I just failed to notice the battery was running low. If anyone may be able to help me out I would appreciate it... Thanks in advance and I hope everyone enjoys the 10 hours of Super Bowl Pre-Game... 73's, Michael, K4MOA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording? 2/5/2011
Now in My MIND this was not a valid QSO,, the information was NOT all done on the radio, never mind he had the call wrong. BUT even if he did work WP3T, he did not know he did it it took YOU and YOUR station to let him know it. so even if the call he thought he copied was right I would never ever think this as being a valid qso. now if the tape he made had worked fine and he later determined that he copied the call wrong it still even then is not a valid qso. even if he had the call right is a grey area to me that it was a valid qso. Joe WB9SBD The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 2/6/2011 1:09 PM, Rick - WA4NVM wrote: Mike, I jumped on that one to quick. I just listened to my recording and you worked WP3PZ. Sorry about the error, Rick Hello to the group - My recorder battery died during a pass of AO-51 yesterday (2/5/2011) I think the pass was approximately 18:53 UTC - it was a mainly east coast pass. I made a contact with WP3T, I believe, which is why I rely so much on my recorder. Many of you know how bad I mess up calls so I may have the suffix of the call incorrect. I just failed to notice the battery was running low. If anyone may be able to help me out I would appreciate it... Thanks in advance and I hope everyone enjoys the 10 hours of Super Bowl Pre-Game... 73's, Michael, K4MOA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
Hi Joe and Group, I would have to say that if Michael's (K4MOA) QSO was not confirmed based upon remembering the call sign, 95% of the QSOs in my log are not confirmed. Many of us use recorders because of the obvious reason - we have one hand to hold the Arrow, Elk or tripod, and the other hand is busy with an HT (or in my case, 2 HTs). There is no hand available to right call signs down. Another obvious reason behind the recorder is that most people cannot go outside and stand for a 15 minute pass, work __# of stations, and then go back inside and recall all the call signs, grid squares, RST reports, etc. If we could all recall all of the info like this, recorders would not be in use. If recorders were not being used, what would we do? You could either type it into the computer, or you could write it down on paper. This brings about the question of, why write it on paper? The bottom-line reason for writing it on paper is you don’t want to forget it, the same reason for a recorder. If you were going to remember it, why right it down? Even after taking a memory course a few months ago in college I can't go outside and remember everything. This sounds like a lot to ask of someone. Most passes are fast pace and crazy. You are not going to be able to remember every station you worked, especially if you are working from a boundary, etc. In my mind, a QSO is confirmed when the two operators have a successful relay of information between each other. Example: K4MOA this is WP3PZ, FK58 - WP3PZ, this is K4MOA, EM95, QSL? - QSL, 73To me, this is a confirmed QSO. When K4MOA goes inside, if he cannot remember the EXACT call of the station(s) he worked, that is not an issue of the QSO was not confirmed, it is an issue of K4MOA got a phone call right as he walked in the door and forgot the call sign of the station he worked. I know this sounds like a silly scenario, but it is reality. To me, a confirmed QSO happens at the mic, not when you are listening to a recording, or how good your memory is. I don't remember reading anything in the Tech or General books about you must remember every call sign for a QSO to be confirmed. Now, if you repeated the call back to the station incorrectly, then it is between you and your conscience; but if you could say his call back to him correctly, but just happened to forget it, I would still call this confirmed. If you have a base station and have the ability to sit at a desk and type it directly into a computer or write them down on a piece of paper, that is great, but most of the portable equipment ops are going to use a recorder. I apologize I am repeating the same things over and over. I would be interested to hear a few other's opinions on this. Maybe I am the one that has it backwards. 73! Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Joe Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:42 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 Now in My MIND this was not a valid QSO,, the information was NOT all done on the radio, never mind he had the call wrong. BUT even if he did work WP3T, he did not know he did it it took YOU and YOUR station to let him know it. so even if the call he thought he copied was right I would never ever think this as being a valid qso. now if the tape he made had worked fine and he later determined that he copied the call wrong it still even then is not a valid qso. even if he had the call right is a grey area to me that it was a valid qso. Joe WB9SBD The Original Rolling Ball Clock Idle Tyme Idle-Tyme.com http://www.idle-tyme.com On 2/6/2011 1:09 PM, Rick - WA4NVM wrote: Mike, I jumped on that one to quick. I just listened to my recording and you worked WP3PZ. Sorry about the error, Rick Hello to the group - My recorder battery died during a pass of AO-51 yesterday (2/5/2011) I think the pass was approximately 18:53 UTC - it was a mainly east coast pass. I made a contact with WP3T, I believe, which is why I rely so much on my recorder. Many of you know how bad I mess up calls so I may have the suffix of the call incorrect. I just failed to notice the battery was running low. If anyone may be able to help me out I would appreciate it... Thanks in advance and I hope everyone enjoys the 10 hours of Super Bowl Pre-Game... 73's, Michael, K4MOA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder, packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your shack, that's fine. The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can tell you the details. If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails, so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the rest of the world to be your log keeper. On 06-Feb-11 21:53, Zachary Beougher wrote: Hi Joe and Group, I would have to say that if Michael's (K4MOA) QSO was not confirmed based upon remembering the call sign, 95% of the QSOs in my log are not confirmed. Many of us use recorders ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
Excuse me for wading into this discussion. Especially since I have not been active for a couple years. But I did do some operating with a THD-7A + Arrow and with a FT-817 + Arrow and I can see no problem with the use of a audio recorder being used as a log (at least until one has time to transcribe it to a permanent log - whether paper or digital). I did do paper but it was not pretty and I did have trouble remembering callsigns to do that (right after the pass). In all ham radio, individual integrity is the bottom line for valid contacts. If you used the wrong call on the air the other station should not credit the QSO as valid. If you merely have a memory problem and the recording can provide backup to that...that seems reasonable. If your personal standards find this unacceptable, then don't, but...I think imposing that standard on others is questionable (on a practical level). If you are the awards log checker - well I can not tell you how to conduct your business. Afterall this is NOT moonbounce. You ask why I insert that? For one to count a moonbounce contact as legitimate one MUST do the following: 1-copy your own callsign plus copy the other station's callsign 2-Must copy your signal report from the other station 3-Must confirm that to the other station 4-get confirmation the other station has copied his signal report 5-and usually confirm that all exchanges are complete At minimum this is four transmissions by each station. Aren't you glad you don't have to live by eme (moonbounce rules)? ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW At 12:53 PM 2/6/2011, Zachary Beougher wrote: Hi Joe and Group, I would have to say that if Michael's (K4MOA) QSO was not confirmed based upon remembering the call sign, 95% of the QSOs in my log are not confirmed. Many of us use recorders because of the obvious reason - we have one hand to hold the Arrow, Elk or tripod, and the other hand is busy with an HT (or in my case, 2 HTs). There is no hand available to right call signs down. Another obvious reason behind the recorder is that most people cannot go outside and stand for a 15 minute pass, work __# of stations, and then go back inside and recall all the call signs, grid squares, RST reports, etc. If we could all recall all of the info like this, recorders would not be in use. If recorders were not being used, what would we do? You could either type it into the computer, or you could write it down on paper. This brings about the question of, why write it on paper? The bottom-line reason for writing it on paper is you donât want to forget it, the same reason for a recorder. If you were going to remember it, why right it down? Even after taking a memory course a few months ago in college I can't go outside and remember everything. This sounds like a lot to ask of someone. Most passes are fast pace and crazy. You are not going to be able to remember every station you worked, especially if you are working from a boundary, etc. In my mind, a QSO is confirmed when the two operators have a successful relay of information between each other. Example: K4MOA this is WP3PZ, FK58 - WP3PZ, this is K4MOA, EM95, QSL? - QSL, 73To me, this is a confirmed QSO. When K4MOA goes inside, if he cannot remember the EXACT call of the station(s) he worked, that is not an issue of the QSO was not confirmed, it is an issue of K4MOA got a phone call right as he walked in the door and forgot the call sign of the station he worked. I know this sounds like a silly scenario, but it is reality. To me, a confirmed QSO happens at the mic, not when you are listening to a recording, or how good your memory is. I don't remember reading anything in the Tech or General books about you must remember every call sign for a QSO to be confirmed. Now, if you repeated the call back to the station incorrectly, then it is between you and your conscience; but if you could say his call back to him correctly, but just happened to forget it, I would still call this confirmed. If you have a base station and have the ability to sit at a desk and type it directly into a computer or write them down on a piece of paper, that is great, but most of the portable equipment ops are going to use a recorder. I apologize I am repeating the same things over and over. I would be interested to hear a few other's opinions on this. Maybe I am the one that has it backwards. 73! Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Joe Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 2:42 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 Now in My MIND this was not a valid QSO,, the information was NOT all done on the radio, never mind he had the call wrong. BUT even if he did work WP3T, he did not know he did it it took YOU and YOUR station to let him know it. so even if the call he thought he copied was right I
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
At 01:14 PM 2/6/2011, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote: I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder, packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your shack, that's fine. The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can tell you the details. If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails, so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the rest of the world to be your log keeper. I agree with this! 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
Hi Ed and Nigel, I agree this is reasonable as well. I don’t see an issue with using someone else's recordings because your batteries died, as long as you heard the QSO, repeated the other station's call back, etc., as I said in my original email. If you aren't for sure if the station came back to your call or if he confirmed he heard you because you lost the bird or went behind a tree, then that's a different story. I also think it's good to have a little grace - we can't expect a first-timer to the sats to jump on and copy and repeat all call signs 100%. When I first started, all I said was a QSL, or copy that. I imagine I frustrated a few ops who were wondering who I was QSLing. ;-) 73, Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Edward R. Cole Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:24 PM To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 At 01:14 PM 2/6/2011, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote: I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder, packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your shack, that's fine. The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can tell you the details. If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails, so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the rest of the world to be your log keeper. I agree with this! 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
Wow, when did using someone elses station, be a valid qso for YOUR own station? Wow, I guess I can call every person i hear off the moon but can't copy and then just ask W5UN for a recording of all my contacts so they will be good contacts. Even tho I diddn't get any calls correct at MY station, I was able to correct all my mistakes by using a recording from HIS station, yeah that sounds valid for sure. I do not have any problems with recording your qso nd after the pass fill in the gaps with stuff ya forgot. or I'll even give ya a stretch stuff ya missed. But when it involves a third partys station then it is NOT a valid QSO. Joe WB9SBD Joe On 2/6/2011 4:51 PM, Zachary Beougher wrote: Hi Ed and Nigel, I agree this is reasonable as well. I don’t see an issue with using someone else's recordings because your batteries died, as long as you heard the QSO, repeated the other station's call back, etc., as I said in my original email. If you aren't for sure if the station came back to your call or if he confirmed he heard you because you lost the bird or went behind a tree, then that's a different story. I also think it's good to have a little grace - we can't expect a first-timer to the sats to jump on and copy and repeat all call signs 100%. When I first started, all I said was a QSL, or copy that. I imagine I frustrated a few ops who were wondering who I was QSLing. ;-) 73, Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Edward R. Cole Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:24 PM To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 At 01:14 PM 2/6/2011, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote: I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder, packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your shack, that's fine. The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can tell you the details. If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails, so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the rest of the world to be your log keeper. I agree with this! 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
Zack, Neither Nigel or I said that. Burden of proof of contact lies with the stations making the contact. Use of a recorder is OK (what I said), but relying on others to log your contact is not. The farthest one can stretch that is if the other station in the QSO confirms that you and they completed a contact. And that is not kosher under eme rules (as I have pointed out). But then is ordinary ham radio where the rules are more lenient. But for these contacts to count toward awards such as WAS or DXCC, or in a contest, you must enter your log. Asking others what they heard would be considered cheating. If you operate satellites for personal pleasure with no regard to awards, standings, etc. then it matters only to your own personal standard of operation. But be aware that others may not agree :-\ 73, Ed At 01:51 PM 2/6/2011, Zachary Beougher wrote: Hi Ed and Nigel, I agree this is reasonable as well. I donât see an issue with using someone else's recordings because your batteries died, as long as you heard the QSO, repeated the other station's call back, etc., as I said in my original email. If you aren't for sure if the station came back to your call or if he confirmed he heard you because you lost the bird or went behind a tree, then that's a different story. I also think it's good to have a little grace - we can't expect a first-timer to the sats to jump on and copy and repeat all call signs 100%. When I first started, all I said was a QSL, or copy that. I imagine I frustrated a few ops who were wondering who I was QSLing. ;-) 73, Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Edward R. Cole Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:24 PM To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 At 01:14 PM 2/6/2011, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote: I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder, packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your shack, that's fine. The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can tell you the details. If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails, so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the rest of the world to be your log keeper. I agree with this! 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011
Hi, Neither Nigel or I said that. Sorry I didn't clarify - I was referring to your opinion on the use of recorders in general. What has me a little confused right now is why some DO NOT think it is okay to use someone else's recording. In the case of a recorder failing because of dead batteries, you can't blame that on the op - his recorder died. There is nothing wrong with WHAT recording he uses. Why does K8YSE post all those recordings to his website? I understand what everyone says about not using someone else's recording because your receiving was bad, you went behind the tree or house, or something else that is dependent upon the operators station, and I agree. But a recorder going dead is no one's fault - its dead. Find another recording if possible and log it. I wouldn't consider using someone else's recording as they are logging it for you. I respect all of the opinions here - different opinions and ideas help develop the hobby. We need to keep in mind this is a HOBBY - hobbies are supposed to be enjoyable. There are definitely rules and regs that must be followed, but I don’t think it's worthwhile to get caught up in WHOSE recording you use, what antenna you use, how you say your call sign, etc., etc. Let's just enjoy the hobby! With that I am going to sign with you all on this discussion. 73! Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Edward R. Cole Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 7:06 PM To: Zachary Beougher ; Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 Zack, Neither Nigel or I said that. Burden of proof of contact lies with the stations making the contact. Use of a recorder is OK (what I said), but relying on others to log your contact is not. The farthest one can stretch that is if the other station in the QSO confirms that you and they completed a contact. And that is not kosher under eme rules (as I have pointed out). But then is ordinary ham radio where the rules are more lenient. But for these contacts to count toward awards such as WAS or DXCC, or in a contest, you must enter your log. Asking others what they heard would be considered cheating. If you operate satellites for personal pleasure with no regard to awards, standings, etc. then it matters only to your own personal standard of operation. But be aware that others may not agree :-\ 73, Ed At 01:51 PM 2/6/2011, Zachary Beougher wrote: Hi Ed and Nigel, I agree this is reasonable as well. I don’t see an issue with using someone else's recordings because your batteries died, as long as you heard the QSO, repeated the other station's call back, etc., as I said in my original email. If you aren't for sure if the station came back to your call or if he confirmed he heard you because you lost the bird or went behind a tree, then that's a different story. I also think it's good to have a little grace - we can't expect a first-timer to the sats to jump on and copy and repeat all call signs 100%. When I first started, all I said was a QSL, or copy that. I imagine I frustrated a few ops who were wondering who I was QSLing. ;-) 73, Zack KD8KSN -Original Message- From: Edward R. Cole Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 5:24 PM To: Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF ; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Recorder battery died - anyone have a recording?2/5/2011 At 01:14 PM 2/6/2011, Nigel Gunn G8IFF/W8IFF wrote: I don't think the issue is whether or not you use a recorder, packet/psk31/rtty ops are not penalised because they have a computer record of the contact by virtue of the technology used for that mode. If a voice recorder is part of your shack, that's fine. The issue is having to ask others if they heard your QSO and can tell you the details. If you chose technology to help you, fine. If your technology fails, so does the QSO. It's not acceptable to expect the rest of the world to be your log keeper. I agree with this! 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 144-1.4kw*, 432-100w*, 1296-testing*, 3400-winter? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == *temp not in service ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program
