Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Daniel Swanson]

> Since the census was published a week ago, I believe it would normally be
time to actually send the ballots. However, since only 7 people are
running, should we add a few more days?

The election board is currently working on verifying Tino's census and we
will announce schedule-related information when we have it.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 6:10 PM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Since the census was published a week ago, I believe it would normally be
> time to actually send the ballots. However, since only 7 people are
> running, should we add a few more days?
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 02:29 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Sorry folks, I'd like to be in the committee.
>>
>> Dealing with COVID-19 has sucked a lot of my time.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> El 14/3/20 a les 0:23, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
>> > пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :
>> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen <
>> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
>> >>> To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
>> >>> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
>> >>> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
>> >>>
>> >>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>> >>> - Jonathan Washington
>> >>> - Francis Tyers
>> >>> - Tino Didriksen
>> >>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>> >>> - Tanmai Khanna
>> >>> - Xavi Ivars
>> >>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>> >>>
>> >>> These are standing for PMC President:
>> >>> - Francis Tyers
>> >>> - Tino Didriksen
>> >>>
>> >>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
>> >>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
>> >>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
>> >>> - Daniel Swanson
>> >>>
>> >>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7
>> members.
>> >>> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the
>> president -
>> >>> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid
>> needing
>> >>> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need
>> to
>> >>> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>> >>>
>> >>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19,
>> maybe we
>> >>> should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>> >>> everyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Tino Didriksen
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for
>> having each
>> >> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if
>> the actual
>> >> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them
>> decides to
>> >> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it
>> stupid.
>> >>
>> >> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find
>> that
>> >> very strange.
>> >>
>> >> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are
>> called to
>> >> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home
>> later
>> >> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at
>> home children
>> >> who don't go to school.
>> >>
>> >> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
>> >>
>> >> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils
>> and
>> >> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers
>> are
>> >> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them
>> some
>> >> work.
>> >>
>> >> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are
>> called to
>> >> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
>> >>
>> >> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day
>> for
>> >> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing
>> (certainly
>> >> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
>> >>
>> >> 

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Since the census was published a week ago, I believe it would normally be
time to actually send the ballots. However, since only 7 people are
running, should we add a few more days?

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 02:29 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Sorry folks, I'd like to be in the committee.
>
> Dealing with COVID-19 has sucked a lot of my time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 14/3/20 a les 0:23, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
> > пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :
> >>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen <
> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
> >>> To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
> >>> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> >>> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >>>
> >>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> >>> - Jonathan Washington
> >>> - Francis Tyers
> >>> - Tino Didriksen
> >>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> >>> - Tanmai Khanna
> >>> - Xavi Ivars
> >>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
> >>>
> >>> These are standing for PMC President:
> >>> - Francis Tyers
> >>> - Tino Didriksen
> >>>
> >>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
> >>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
> >>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> >>> - Daniel Swanson
> >>>
> >>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7
> members.
> >>> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the
> president -
> >>> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid
> needing
> >>> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need
> to
> >>> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
> >>>
> >>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19,
> maybe we
> >>> should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> >>> everyone.
> >>>
> >>> -- Tino Didriksen
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for
> having each
> >> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the
> actual
> >> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them
> decides to
> >> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it
> stupid.
> >>
> >> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find
> that
> >> very strange.
> >>
> >> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are
> called to
> >> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home
> later
> >> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home
> children
> >> who don't go to school.
> >>
> >> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
> >>
> >> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils
> and
> >> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers
> are
> >> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them
> some
> >> work.
> >>
> >> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are
> called to
> >> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
> >>
> >> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day
> for
> >> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing
> (certainly
> >> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
> >>
> >> For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing
> new.
> >>
> >> Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will
> mean
> >> receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.
> >>
> >> That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the
> working
> >> ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.
> >>
> >> And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free
> time.
> >>
> >> If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
> >> at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
> >> valuable reason to postp

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

Sorry folks, I'd like to be in the committee.

Dealing with COVID-19 has sucked a lot of my time.

Cheers

Mikel


El 14/3/20 a les 0:23, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:

пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen 

To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>

So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
- Jonathan Washington
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didriksen
- Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
- Tanmai Khanna
- Xavi Ivars
...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.

These are standing for PMC President:
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didriksen

These have volunteered for being the election board:
- Sevilay Bayatlı
- Hèctor Alòs i Font
- Daniel Swanson

If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.

Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe we
should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
everyone.

-- Tino Didriksen



Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for having each
of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the actual
PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them decides to
declare the results without running the election, I would not find it stupid.

But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find that
very strange.

In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are called to
stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home later
every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home children
who don't go to school.

Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.

In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils and
students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers are
called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them some
work.

For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are called to
stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.

So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day for
working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing (certainly
in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.

For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing new.

Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will mean
receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.

That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the working
ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.

And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free time.

If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
valuable reason to postpone this election. But we are very very far from
it, and in an Apertium PMC election, there are generally only around 30
persons voting.


I will attest that in my case, I have *less* free time in many ways.
Young children home from school adds much more in the way of
distractions and interruptions from work.  The second that any of us
start getting symptoms will make work even harder, of course.

--
Jonathan




Bernard Chardonneau (France)
Phone : [33] 9 72 36 32 90
GSM phone : [33] 7 69 46 16 31

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Jonathan Washington]

пт, 13 мар. 2020 г. в 17:43, Bernard Chardonneau :
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen 
> > 
> > To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >
> > So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> > - Jonathan Washington
> > - Francis Tyers
> > - Tino Didriksen
> > - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> > - Tanmai Khanna
> > - Xavi Ivars
> > ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
> >
> > These are standing for PMC President:
> > - Francis Tyers
> > - Tino Didriksen
> >
> > These have volunteered for being the election board:
> > - Sevilay Bayatlı
> > - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> > - Daniel Swanson
> >
> > If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> > And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> > in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
> > to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> > run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
> >
> > Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe we
> > should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> > everyone.
> >
> > -- Tino Didriksen
> >
> >
>
> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for having each
> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the actual
> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them decides to
> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it stupid.
>
> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find that
> very strange.
>
> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are called to
> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home later
> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home 
> children
> who don't go to school.
>
> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
>
> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils and
> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers are
> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them some
> work.
>
> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are called to
> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
>
> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day for
> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing (certainly
> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
>
> For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing new.
>
> Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will mean
> receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.
>
> That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the working
> ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.
>
> And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free time.
>
> If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
> at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
> valuable reason to postpone this election. But we are very very far from
> it, and in an Apertium PMC election, there are generally only around 30
> persons voting.
>

I will attest that in my case, I have *less* free time in many ways.
Young children home from school adds much more in the way of
distractions and interruptions from work.  The second that any of us
start getting symptoms will make work even harder, of course.

--
Jonathan


> 
> Bernard Chardonneau (France)
> Phone : [33] 9 72 36 32 90
> GSM phone : [33] 7 69 46 16 31
>
> An alternative Apertium translation website :
> http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org
>
> Multilingual websites for my free softwares :
> http://libremail.free.fr and http://libremail.tuxfamily.org
> http://cyloop.tuxfamily.org (mainly translated with Apertium)
>
> My general website (in french only)
> http://bech.free.fr
>
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tanmai Khanna]

Let’s have one final call on expressing interest for candidate participation. 
If there isn’t any, then we don’t even need elections and all this is moot. 
Assuming that Tino yields to Francis for the position of President.

Tanmai

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14-Mar-2020, at 03:18, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
> 
> 
> +1 on all points. However, if any Committers have covid or an immediate 
> family member with it, I do think we should postpone it.
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 14:43 Bernard Chardonneau  wrote:
>> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen 
>> > 
>> > To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
>> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
>> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
>> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
>> >
>> > So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>> > - Jonathan Washington
>> > - Francis Tyers
>> > - Tino Didriksen
>> > - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>> > - Tanmai Khanna
>> > - Xavi Ivars
>> > ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>> >
>> > These are standing for PMC President:
>> > - Francis Tyers
>> > - Tino Didriksen
>> >
>> > These have volunteered for being the election board:
>> > - Sevilay Bayatlı
>> > - Hèctor Alòs i Font
>> > - Daniel Swanson
>> >
>> > If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
>> > And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
>> > in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
>> > to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
>> > run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>> >
>> > Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe we
>> > should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>> > everyone.
>> >
>> > -- Tino Didriksen
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for having each
>> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the 
>> actual
>> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them decides to
>> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it stupid.
>> 
>> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find that
>> very strange.
>> 
>> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are called to
>> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home later
>> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home 
>> children
>> who don't go to school.
>> 
>> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
>> 
>> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils and
>> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers are
>> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them some
>> work.
>> 
>> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are called to
>> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
>> 
>> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day for
>> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing (certainly
>> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
>> 
>> For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing new.
>> 
>> Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will mean
>> receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.
>> 
>> That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the working
>> ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.
>> 
>> And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free time.
>> 
>> If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
>> at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
>> valuable reason to postpone this election. But we are very very far from
>> it, and in an Apertium PMC election, there are generally only around 30
>> persons voting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bernard Chardonneau (France)
>> Phone : [33] 9 72 36 32 90
>> GSM phone : [33] 7 69 46 16 31
>> 
>> An alternative Apertium translation website :
>> http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org
>> 
&g

Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

+1 on all points. However, if any Committers have covid or an immediate
family member with it, I do think we should postpone it.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 14:43 Bernard Chardonneau  wrote:

> > Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen <
> m...@tinodidriksen.com>
> > To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
> > Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> > Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
> >
> > So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> > - Jonathan Washington
> > - Francis Tyers
> > - Tino Didriksen
> > - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> > - Tanmai Khanna
> > - Xavi Ivars
> > ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
> >
> > These are standing for PMC President:
> > - Francis Tyers
> > - Tino Didriksen
> >
> > These have volunteered for being the election board:
> > - Sevilay Bayatlı
> > - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> > - Daniel Swanson
> >
> > If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> > And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> > in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid
> needing
> > to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> > run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
> >
> > Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
> we
> > should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> > everyone.
> >
> > -- Tino Didriksen
> >
> >
>
> Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for having
> each
> of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the
> actual
> PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them decides
> to
> declare the results without running the election, I would not find it
> stupid.
>
> But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find that
> very strange.
>
> In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are called
> to
> stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home later
> every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home
> children
> who don't go to school.
>
> Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.
>
> In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils and
> students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers are
> called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them some
> work.
>
> For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are called to
> stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.
>
> So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day for
> working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing
> (certainly
> in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.
>
> For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing
> new.
>
> Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will mean
> receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.
>
> That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the working
> ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.
>
> And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free time.
>
> If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
> at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
> valuable reason to postpone this election. But we are very very far from
> it, and in an Apertium PMC election, there are generally only around 30
> persons voting.
>
>
> 
> Bernard Chardonneau (France)
> Phone : [33] 9 72 36 32 90
> GSM phone : [33] 7 69 46 16 31
>
> An alternative Apertium translation website :
> http://apertiumtrad.tuxfamily.org
>
> Multilingual websites for my free softwares :
> http://libremail.free.fr and http://libremail.tuxfamily.org
> http://cyloop.tuxfamily.org (mainly translated with Apertium)
>
> My general website (in french only)
> http://bech.free.fr
>
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Bernard Chardonneau]

> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 22:20:41 +0100 > From: Tino Didriksen 
> 
> To: "[apertium-stuff]" 
> Reply-To: apertium-stuff@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.
> Pièce(s) jointes(s) probable(s)>
>
> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> - Jonathan Washington
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> - Tanmai Khanna
> - Xavi Ivars
> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>
> These are standing for PMC President:
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
>
> These have volunteered for being the election board:
> - Sevilay Bayatlı
> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> - Daniel Swanson
>
> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>
> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe we
> should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> everyone.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>

Well, if there is exactly the needed number of PMC candidates for having each
of them elected and only one volonteer for president, no problem if the actual
PMCs or the actual president or the election board or both of them decides to
declare the results without running the election, I would not find it stupid.

But using the pretext of the Covid-19 to postpone the election, I find that
very strange.

In different countries of the world, at least in Europe. People are called to
stay at home instead of moving somewhere to work and going back home later
every working day. For some ot them, the reason is just to keep at home children
who don't go to school.

Staying at home, gives free time that we don't have when working.

In France, from next Monday, from mother school to university, pupils and
students will have to stay at home, but in different schools teachers are
called th stay in contact with then, and to use internet to give them some
work.

For persons working in enterprises, when it is possible, they are called to
stay at home and to use a computer with Internet for working.

So, this illness may be an occasion for some people who move each day for
working or studing to stay at home and to go on working or studing (certainly
in a less intensive way) using a computer and Internet.

For a free software developer, using a computer and Internet is nothing new.

Participating to the PMC election, for people who just vote, that will mean
receiving 2 or 3 emails, and sending one email for voting.

That is not a big work and doing that when moving every day to the working
ou studing place or when staying at home will not change a lot.

And as I said earlier, having to stay at home may even give more free time.

If there was hundred of million peoples in the world ill due to covid-19
at the same time (5 % of the world population or more), that would be a
valuable reason to postpone this election. But we are very very far from
it, and in an Apertium PMC election, there are generally only around 30
persons voting.



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Multilingual websites for my free softwares :
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Also, a pseudonym seems to be ok, but would it be preferable to have a real
name?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:39 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the pandemic.
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:37 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but
>> it is time for the election board to control the list of electors you
>> created and establish a calendar. I agree, it can make sense to wait a few
>> weeks because of the pandemia. The problem is that probably the peak has
>> been reached in a few countries, but not for the vast majority of them. So
>> a couple of weeks seems good for e.g. China and Italy, but nobody knows
>> which will be the situation then in e.g. Spain, USA, Russia or India. At
>> least the last three would not have yet reached the peak. So, if we decide
>> to wait because of coronavirus, I don't think it'd be for two weeks, but, I
>> fear, it would be more probably for a couple of months...
>> Hèctor
>>
>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dv., 13 de
>> març 2020 a les 0:22:
>>
>>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>>> - Jonathan Washington
>>> - Francis Tyers
>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>>> - Tanmai Khanna
>>> - Xavi Ivars
>>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>>>
>>> These are standing for PMC President:
>>> - Francis Tyers
>>> - Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
>>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
>>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
>>> - Daniel Swanson
>>>
>>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7
>>> members. And then the election would be simply to determine who is the
>>> president - in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply
>>> avoid needing to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that
>>> we need to run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>>
 I'm also interested on running for the PMC.

 Should we try to establish some dates?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about the pandemic.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 21:37 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:

> Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but it
> is time for the election board to control the list of electors you created
> and establish a calendar. I agree, it can make sense to wait a few weeks
> because of the pandemia. The problem is that probably the peak has been
> reached in a few countries, but not for the vast majority of them. So a
> couple of weeks seems good for e.g. China and Italy, but nobody knows which
> will be the situation then in e.g. Spain, USA, Russia or India. At least
> the last three would not have yet reached the peak. So, if we decide to
> wait because of coronavirus, I don't think it'd be for two weeks, but, I
> fear, it would be more probably for a couple of months...
> Hèctor
>
> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dv., 13 de
> març 2020 a les 0:22:
>
>> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
>> - Jonathan Washington
>> - Francis Tyers
>> - Tino Didriksen
>> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
>> - Tanmai Khanna
>> - Xavi Ivars
>> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>>
>> These are standing for PMC President:
>> - Francis Tyers
>> - Tino Didriksen
>>
>> These have volunteered for being the election board:
>> - Sevilay Bayatlı
>> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
>> - Daniel Swanson
>>
>> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
>> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
>> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
>> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
>> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>>
>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>> everyone.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>>>
>>> Should we try to establish some dates?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Hèctor Alòs i Font]

Thank you very much, Tino, for the lists. I've been busy this week, but it
is time for the election board to control the list of electors you created
and establish a calendar. I agree, it can make sense to wait a few weeks
because of the pandemia. The problem is that probably the peak has been
reached in a few countries, but not for the vast majority of them. So a
couple of weeks seems good for e.g. China and Italy, but nobody knows which
will be the situation then in e.g. Spain, USA, Russia or India. At least
the last three would not have yet reached the peak. So, if we decide to
wait because of coronavirus, I don't think it'd be for two weeks, but, I
fear, it would be more probably for a couple of months...
Hèctor

Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dv., 13 de març
2020 a les 0:22:

> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> - Jonathan Washington
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> - Tanmai Khanna
> - Xavi Ivars
> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>
> These are standing for PMC President:
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
>
> These have volunteered for being the election board:
> - Sevilay Bayatlı
> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> - Daniel Swanson
>
> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>
> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> everyone.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>
>> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>>
>> Should we try to establish some dates?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Oh, okay, that makes sense.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:50 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> Many of us have kids or families who have been sent home, so there's a
> bunch of extra offline stuff and stress to suddenly spend energy on. Our
> countries or states have effectively been shut down for at least 2 weeks.
> Apertium can wait, if needed.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 22:38, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Since Apertium is all online, how would covid affect it?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22 Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>>> everyone.
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

Many of us have kids or families who have been sent home, so there's a
bunch of extra offline stuff and stress to suddenly spend energy on. Our
countries or states have effectively been shut down for at least 2 weeks.
Apertium can wait, if needed.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 22:38, Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Since Apertium is all online, how would covid affect it?
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22 Tino Didriksen  wrote:
>
>> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
>> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
>> everyone.
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Since Apertium is all online, how would covid affect it?

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 14:22 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
> - Jonathan Washington
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
> - Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
> - Tanmai Khanna
> - Xavi Ivars
> ...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.
>
> These are standing for PMC President:
> - Francis Tyers
> - Tino Didriksen
>
> These have volunteered for being the election board:
> - Sevilay Bayatlı
> - Hèctor Alòs i Font
> - Daniel Swanson
>
> If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
> And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
> in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
> to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
> run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.
>
> Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe
> we should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
> everyone.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:
>
>> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>>
>> Should we try to establish some dates?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

So far, these people have indicated they want to run for PMC members:
- Jonathan Washington
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didriksen
- Scoop Gracie (pseudonym)
- Tanmai Khanna
- Xavi Ivars
...with Mikel L. Forcada as a maybe.

These are standing for PMC President:
- Francis Tyers
- Tino Didriksen

These have volunteered for being the election board:
- Sevilay Bayatlı
- Hèctor Alòs i Font
- Daniel Swanson

If Mikel moves from maybe to certain, then we have the minimum 7 members.
And then the election would be simply to determine who is the president -
in which case, I would yield to Francis so that we can simply avoid needing
to run the election. If we get more than 7 candidates so that we need to
run the full election anyway, I'll contest the presidency.

Alternatively, given how the world is shutting down from Covid-19, maybe we
should just postpone the election until things have settled down for
everyone.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 11:22, Xavi Ivars  wrote:

> I'm also interested on running for the PMC.
>
> Should we try to establish some dates?
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Xavi Ivars]

I'm also interested on running for the PMC.

Should we try to establish some dates?

Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia ds., 7 de març
2020 a les 13:35:

> Turns out my output definitely needed checking. In my quest to sync
> outside-collaborators, I forgot to double-check the direct members.
>
> Using https://gist.github.com/jdennes/11404512#gistcomment-2734613 I've
> now exported https://github.com/orgs/apertium/people and added the ones
> who where missing and have visible emails to the list. Also added ayushjain.
>
> So,
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
> is now up to 316 names, of which 314 have emails.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 21:55, AJ  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
>> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Ayush Jain
>> IRC nick: ayushjain
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

Turns out my output definitely needed checking. In my quest to sync
outside-collaborators, I forgot to double-check the direct members.

Using https://gist.github.com/jdennes/11404512#gistcomment-2734613 I've now
exported https://github.com/orgs/apertium/people and added the ones who
where missing and have visible emails to the list. Also added ayushjain.

So,
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
is now up to 316 names, of which 314 have emails.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 21:55, AJ  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>
> Thank you
>
> Ayush Jain
> IRC nick: ayushjain
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

When I run, will I be allowed to vote (for myself)?

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 19:12 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> What repos do you do the most in? You'll need to ask for write access to
> at least one.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM AJ  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
>> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Ayush Jain
>> IRC nick: ayushjain
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>>
>>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>>> which 308 have emails.
>>>
>>> I have also merged everything into
>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

What repos do you do the most in? You'll need to ask for write access to at
least one.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 12:55 PM AJ  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I
> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>
> Thank you
>
> Ayush Jain
> IRC nick: ayushjain
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM Tino Didriksen 
> wrote:
>
>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>
>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>> which 308 have emails.
>>
>> I have also merged everything into
>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[AJ]

Hi

Can I be added to the list(spreadsheet) or know why can't I take part? I am
a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.

Thank you

Ayush Jain
IRC nick: ayushjain

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 5:35 PM Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>
> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
> which 308 have emails.
>
> I have also merged everything into
> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Also, is it okay to be on the PMC with a pseudonyn?

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
> election committee.
>
> Problem is that not everyone has access to
> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - only org admins
> do. So I went through that, and in the process merged other sources anyway.
>
> The few I did not include in the spreadsheet from
> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators are the ones who
> exclusively have access to https://github.com/apertium/courses-esudh -
> they're in authors.json section 20 with prefix _COURSE_ - but they don't
> have available emails or names anyway.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 16:50, Jonathan Washington <
> jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And since
>> - Tino's running for president, and
>> - taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
>> responsibility (I believe),
>>
>> The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>>
>> пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :
>>
>>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>>
>>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>>> which 308 have emails.
>>>
>>> I have also merged everything into
>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

I'd rather not give out my real name.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 09:47 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Also, is it okay to be on the PMC with a pseudonyn?
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 Tino Didriksen  wrote:
>
>> Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
>> election committee.
>>
>> Problem is that not everyone has access to
>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - only org admins
>> do. So I went through that, and in the process merged other sources anyway.
>>
>> The few I did not include in the spreadsheet from
>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators are the ones who
>> exclusively have access to https://github.com/apertium/courses-esudh -
>> they're in authors.json section 20 with prefix _COURSE_ - but they don't
>> have available emails or names anyway.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 16:50, Jonathan Washington <
>> jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And since
>>> - Tino's running for president, and
>>> - taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
>>> responsibility (I believe),
>>>
>>> The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :
>>>
 Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
 lists and thus may be eligible to vote:

 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA

 Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
 which 308 have emails.

 I have also merged everything into
 https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json

 -- Tino Didriksen

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

Absolutely - everyone should double-check my work, but especially the
election committee.

Problem is that not everyone has access to
https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - only org admins
do. So I went through that, and in the process merged other sources anyway.

The few I did not include in the spreadsheet from
https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators are the ones who
exclusively have access to https://github.com/apertium/courses-esudh -
they're in authors.json section 20 with prefix _COURSE_ - but they don't
have available emails or names anyway.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 16:50, Jonathan Washington <
jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And since
> - Tino's running for president, and
> - taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
> responsibility (I believe),
>
> The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.
>
> --
> Jonathan
>
> пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :
>
>> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
>> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>>
>> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
>> which 308 have emails.
>>
>> I have also merged everything into
>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Jonathan Washington]

And since
- Tino's running for president, and
- taking a census like this is technically the election committee's
responsibility (I believe),

The election committee should probably verify Tino's work.

--
Jonathan

пт, 6 мар. 2020 г. в 07:05, Tino Didriksen :

> Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our
> lists and thus may be eligible to vote:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA
>
> Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
> which 308 have emails.
>
> I have also merged everything into
> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

Combined list of everyone I can find that currently are on any of our lists
and thus may be eligible to vote:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ECL_8Lkfx4A66xpHhbOTn7ljKoDcLa0w7MdFZC7DOpA

Includes outside-collaborators and .mailmap. Comes out to 310 names, of
which 308 have emails.

I have also merged everything into
https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

You could at least be a backup member.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 10:19 Daniel Swanson 
wrote:

> If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do
> that.
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
>> that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
>> each.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain
>>> exactly what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I
>>> have no interest in standing for the PMC.
>>> Hèctor
>>>
>>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de
>>> març 2020 a les 12:07:
>>>
 Replied inline...

 On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie 
 wrote:

> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>

 Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of
 people who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the
 strict interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have
 never been strictly enforced or followed.

 It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
 realistic this time.

 As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
 https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because
 if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
 voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Daniel Swanson]

If another person is needed to help run the election, I could probably do
that.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 12:58 PM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
> that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
> each.
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font 
> wrote:
>
>> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly
>> what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no
>> interest in standing for the PMC.
>> Hèctor
>>
>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de
>> març 2020 a les 12:07:
>>
>>> Replied inline...
>>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>>
 Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.

>>>
>>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of
>>> people who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the
>>> strict interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have
>>> never been strictly enforced or followed.
>>>
>>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
>>> realistic this time.
>>>
>>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
>>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because
>>> if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
>>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tanmai Khanna]

Since it seems like there are enough people to help conduct the election, I’ll 
just put in my name for the candidacy formally.

Thanks
Tanmai 
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> On 05-Mar-2020, at 23:28, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
> 
> 
> We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose 
> that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for 
> each.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:
>> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly 
>> what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no 
>> interest in standing for the PMC.
>> Hèctor
>> 
>> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de març 
>> 2020 a les 12:07:
>>> Replied inline...
>>> 
 On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
 Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>>> 
>>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people 
>>> who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict 
>>> interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never 
>>> been strictly enforced or followed.
>>> 
>>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be 
>>> realistic this time.
>>> 
>>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in 
>>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if 
>>> we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30 
>>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.
>>> 
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

We now have three volunteers for the board and four candidates. I suppose
that's enough board members, although the bylaws say we need a backup for
each.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 02:18 Hèctor Alòs i Font  wrote:

> If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly
> what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no
> interest in standing for the PMC.
> Hèctor
>
> Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de
> març 2020 a les 12:07:
>
>> Replied inline...
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>
>>> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>>>
>>
>> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people
>> who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict
>> interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never
>> been strictly enforced or followed.
>>
>> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
>> realistic this time.
>>
>> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
>> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because
>> if we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
>> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Hèctor Alòs i Font]

If the work does not need a lot a time, and someone could explain exactly
what has to be done, I probably could help conduct the election. I have no
interest in standing for the PMC.
Hèctor

Missatge de Tino Didriksen  del dia dj., 5 de març
2020 a les 12:07:

> Replied inline...
>
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>>
>
> Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people
> who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict
> interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never
> been strictly enforced or followed.
>
> It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
> realistic this time.
>
> As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
> https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if
> we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
> voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

Replied inline...

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 at 04:52, Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.
>

Under the Bylaws, yes. But as Mikel wrote, "preferrably made up of people
who are not running for the election", so we're not going with the strict
interpretation of the Bylaws. Which makes sense, as the Bylaws have never
been strictly enforced or followed.

It would be ideal to have a separate election board, but it may not be
realistic this time.

As for voting eligibility, I'd say we should include everyone listed in
https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators - again because if
we strictly follow the Bylaws, we'd only have an eligible pool of ~30
voters. For standing eligibility, I'm less sure.

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Under the bylaws, it's one or the other.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:49 PM Tanmai Khanna 
wrote:

> I know it’s probably intuitive that people who help conduct the election
> wouldn’t be eligible to stand for elections, but since this is a relatively
> small group and the elections can be held with transparency, I was
> wondering if I could still apply to be a part of the PMC.
>
> I volunteered to help conduct it since it didn’t seem like we had anyone
> to conduct it but if other people are available and helping conduct it
> would make it so I cannot stand for elections, I’d rather stand to be a
> part of the PMC.
>
> Thanks
> Tanmai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 05-Mar-2020, at 09:07, Sevilay Bayatlı 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I help to run the election.
>
> Sevilay
>
> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 06:15 Tanmai Khanna,  wrote:
>
>> I volunteer to help conduct the election.
>>
>> Tanmai
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
>> eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
>>
>> A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen 
>> escreveu:
>>
>>> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
>>> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>>>
>>> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
>>> the PMC.
>>>
>>> For a census of those eligible to vote,
>>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>>> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
>>> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
>>> will serve with minimal editing.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>>
 Dear all,

 (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
 article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
 Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
 last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.

 (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with
 one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this
 board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election.
 I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and
 one of them led the process.

 (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
 about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
 last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
 who is more active to chair the PMC.

 (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium
 account(s), one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC
 to open a new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating
 the reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].

 All the best,

 Mikel


 [1]
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tanmai Khanna]

I know it’s probably intuitive that people who help conduct the election 
wouldn’t be eligible to stand for elections, but since this is a relatively 
small group and the elections can be held with transparency, I was wondering if 
I could still apply to be a part of the PMC.

I volunteered to help conduct it since it didn’t seem like we had anyone to 
conduct it but if other people are available and helping conduct it would make 
it so I cannot stand for elections, I’d rather stand to be a part of the PMC.

Thanks
Tanmai

Sent from my iPhone

> On 05-Mar-2020, at 09:07, Sevilay Bayatlı  wrote:
> 
> 
> I help to run the election.
> 
> Sevilay
> 
>> On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 06:15 Tanmai Khanna,  wrote:
>> I volunteer to help conduct the election.
>> 
>> Tanmai
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not 
>>> eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
>>> 
>>> A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen  
>>> escreveu:
 It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the 
 election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
 
 Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of 
 the PMC.
 
 For a census of those eligible to vote, 
 https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json 
 (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus 
 https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
  will serve with minimal editing.
 
 -- Tino Didriksen
 
 
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws], 
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management 
> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The 
> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
> 
> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with 
> one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this 
> board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the 
> election. I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered 
> to run it and one of them led the process.
> 
> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided 
> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the 
> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else 
> who is more active to chair the PMC.
> 
> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s), 
> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a 
> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the 
> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1]. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Mikel
> 
> 
> 
> [1] 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Sevilay Bayatlı]

I help to run the election.

Sevilay

On Thu, 5 Mar 2020, 06:15 Tanmai Khanna,  wrote:

> I volunteer to help conduct the election.
>
> Tanmai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo  wrote:
>
> 
> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
> eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
>
> A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen 
> escreveu:
>
>> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
>> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>>
>> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
>> the PMC.
>>
>> For a census of those eligible to vote,
>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
>> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
>> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
>> will serve with minimal editing.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
>>> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
>>> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
>>> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>>>
>>> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with
>>> one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this
>>> board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election.
>>> I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and
>>> one of them led the process.
>>>
>>> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
>>> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
>>> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
>>> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>>>
>>> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
>>> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
>>> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
>>> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Universitat d'Alacant
>>> E-03690 Sant Vicent del Raspeig
>>> Spain
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tanmai Khanna]

I volunteer to help conduct the election.

Tanmai

Sent from my iPhone

> On 05-Mar-2020, at 02:40, Diogo  wrote:
> 
> 
> I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not 
> eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic
> 
> A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen  escreveu:
>> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the 
>> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>> 
>> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of the 
>> PMC.
>> 
>> For a census of those eligible to vote, 
>> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json 
>> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus 
>> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
>>  will serve with minimal editing.
>> 
>> -- Tino Didriksen
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws], 
>>> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management 
>>> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The 
>>> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>>> 
>>> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with one 
>>> substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this board, 
>>> preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election. I would 
>>> appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and one of 
>>> them led the process.
>>> 
>>> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided 
>>> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the 
>>> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else 
>>> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>>> 
>>> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s), 
>>> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a 
>>> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the 
>>> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1]. 
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Mikel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] 
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
>>> Universitat d'Alacant
>>> E-03690 Sant Vicent del Raspeig
>>> Spain
>>> Office: +34 96 590 9776
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Diogo]

I must say the fact that the second list was generated by me, but I'm not
eligible to vote according to those lists is quite ironic

A quarta, 4/03/2020, 22:01, Tino Didriksen 
escreveu:

> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>
> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
> the PMC.
>
> For a census of those eligible to vote,
> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
> will serve with minimal editing.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
>> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
>> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
>> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>>
>> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with
>> one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this
>> board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election.
>> I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and
>> one of them led the process.
>>
>> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
>> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
>> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
>> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>>
>> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
>> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
>> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
>> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> --
>> Mikel L. Forcada  http://www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/
>> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
>> Universitat d'Alacant
>> E-03690 Sant Vicent del Raspeig
>> Spain
>> Office: +34 96 590 9776
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

I'm running.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 13:01 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
> election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.
>
> Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
> the PMC.
>
> For a census of those eligible to vote,
> https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
> (sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
> https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
> will serve with minimal editing.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
>> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
>> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
>> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>>
>> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with
>> one substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this
>> board, preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election.
>> I would appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and
>> one of them led the process.
>>
>> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
>> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
>> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
>> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>>
>> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
>> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
>> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
>> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> --
>> Mikel L. Forcada  http://www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/
>> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
>> Universitat d'Alacant
>> E-03690 Sant Vicent del Raspeig
>> Spain
>> Office: +34 96 590 9776
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

It's now been a week. From what I can see, nobody volunteered to run the
election, and we only have 3 who for sure want to be part of the PMC.

Everyone, please report in if you want to run the election or be part of
the PMC.

For a census of those eligible to vote,
https://github.com/apertium/apertium-packaging/blob/master/authors.json
(sections 1, 20, and 25) plus
https://github.com/apertium/family-visualizations/blob/master/scrapers/.mailmap
will serve with minimal editing.

-- Tino Didriksen


On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>
> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with one
> substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this board,
> preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election. I would
> appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and one of
> them led the process.
>
> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>
> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>
> All the best,
>
> Mikel
>
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>
> --
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> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
> Universitat d'Alacant
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Jonathan Washington]

I just invited you to have write access to the Apertium phenny repo :)

This is an important discussion, and one that's come up before, but it
won't be resolved in time for the election.  So, for now, the easiest
work-around is to make sure everyone who thinks and who other
contributors think should be a Commiter be granted official Commiter
status by being given write access to the appropriate repo(s).

Also, I think we should consider starting a separate
"apertium-committers" email list that's more for bureaucratic and
policy-related discussions like this and doesn't need to include
people who are just here for the language technology stuff and don't
care to be involved in policy discussions.

--
Jonathan

ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 13:11, Scoop Gracie :
>
> I have requested write access on IRC, but never got an answer.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:09 Juan Pablo  wrote:
>>
>> Rather than ammending the bylaws, wouldn't it be simpler that you (and any 
>> others that may feel sidelined) file a request to the PMC asking to be 
>> granted committer status? According to bylaw 11, this is what you need:
>>
>> Bylaw 11. Committer access is received by committing code and getting 
>> sponsorship by two existing Committers, a nominator and a seconder. Upon 
>> fulfillment of these conditions, a PMC member will give write access.
>>
>> Best,
>> Juan Pablo
>>
>> On 26/02/2020 18:09, Scoop Gracie wrote:
>>
>> May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>>
>> Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the project's 
>> technical management. Committers are developers who have write access to the 
>> project's source repositories, or who have contributed code to Apertium in 
>> any meaningful and significant way in the past six months. Committers may 
>> cast binding votes on any technical discussion regarding the project."
>> Amend Bylaw 23.G: "After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of 
>> Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board. Only 
>> Committers with email addresses known to the current PMC or the Election 
>> Board will be allowed to vote."
>>
>> This would include all PR contributors, as well as devs with write access. 
>> It would also ensure that only devs we can contact are included.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:04 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have 
>>> write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though 
>>> I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get 
>>> to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

 I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in which 
 casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs in a 
 sustained way, they should be named committers.

 Mikel


 El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:

 Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those 
 definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if 
 they have contributed significantly to Apertium.

 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
> without reference to SF.
>
> Mikel
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

I have requested write access on IRC, but never got an answer.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:09 Juan Pablo  wrote:

> Rather than ammending the bylaws, wouldn't it be simpler that you (and any
> others that may feel sidelined) file a request to the PMC asking to be
> granted committer status? According to bylaw 11, this is what you need:
>
> *Bylaw 11. Committer access is received by committing code and getting
> sponsorship by two existing Committers, a nominator and a seconder. Upon
> fulfillment of these conditions, a PMC member will give write access.*
>
> Best,
> Juan Pablo
>
> On 26/02/2020 18:09, Scoop Gracie wrote:
>
> May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>
> Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the
> project's technical management. Committers are developers who have write
> access to the project's source repositories, or who have contributed code
> to Apertium in any meaningful and significant way in the past six months.
> Committers may cast binding votes on any technical discussion regarding the
> project."
> Amend Bylaw 23.G: "After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census
> of Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board.
> Only Committers with email addresses known to the current PMC or the
> Election Board will be allowed to vote."
>
> This would include all PR contributors, as well as devs with write access.
> It would also ensure that only devs we can contact are included.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:04 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
>> write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
>> I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
>> to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in
>>> which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs
>>> in a sustained way, they should be named committers.
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>>
>>> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
>>> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
>>> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>>
 Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
 without reference to SF.

 Mikel

 El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
 > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
 > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Juan Pablo]

Rather than ammending the bylaws, wouldn't it be simpler that you (and 
any others that may feel sidelined) file a request to the PMC asking to 
be granted committer status? According to bylaw 11, this is what you need:

/
//Bylaw 11. Committer access is received by committing code and getting 
sponsorship by two existing Committers, a nominator and a seconder. Upon 
fulfillment of these conditions, a PMC member will give write access.//

/
Best,
Juan Pablo

On 26/02/2020 18:09, Scoop Gracie wrote:

May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?

Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the 
project's technical management. Committers are developers who have 
write access to the project's source repositories, or who have 
contributed code to Apertium in any meaningful and significant way in 
the past six months. Committers may cast binding votes on any 
technical discussion regarding the project."
Amend Bylaw 23.G: "After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive 
census of Committers with right to vote will be published by the 
Election Board. Only Committers with email addresses known to the 
current PMC or the Election Board will be allowed to vote."


This would include all PR contributors, as well as devs with write 
access. It would also ensure that only devs we can contact are included.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:04 AM Scoop Gracie > wrote:


Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not
have write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from
voting, even though I am just as much an Apertium developer as
many of the other devs (who get to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada mailto:m...@dlsi.ua.es>> wrote:

I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the
way in which casual developers contribute. If a developer
contributes through PRs in a sustained way, they should be
named committers.

Mikel


El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:

Because now, many contributions come through pull requests.
Those definitions exclude any contributors who do not have
write access, even if they have contributed significantly to
Apertium.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada
mailto:m...@dlsi.ua.es>> wrote:

Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source
repositories,
without reference to SF.

Mikel

El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't
developers who
> have submitted PRs be equally eligible?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

If it is fair, I'm fine with it, it just doesn't make sense to me.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:56 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> So it seems fair that an arbitrary (at least IMO) requirement is placed on
> voters?
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:55 Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
>> received it.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai  wrote:
>>
>>> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
 the by-laws don't specify clearly).

 Mikel

 El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
 > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

So it seems fair that an arbitrary (at least IMO) requirement is placed on
voters?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:55 Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
> received it.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai  wrote:
>
>> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
>>> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>> > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Okay, I have asked for write access on the phenny repo and have never
received it.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 09:33 Saurabh Rai  wrote:

> The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
>> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>> > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Saurabh Rai]

The ones who are new to the organisation doesn't get to vote this time?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if
> the by-laws don't specify clearly).
>
> Mikel
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> > May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

A by-laws change should be done by the assembly of committers (even if 
the by-laws don't specify clearly).


Mikel

El 26/2/20 a les 18:09, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:

May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

You should have gained access by now!

El 26/2/20 a les 18:04, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have 
write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even 
though I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other 
devs (who get to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada > wrote:


I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way
in which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes
through PRs in a sustained way, they should be named committers.

Mikel


El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:

Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write
access, even if they have contributed significantly to Apertium.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada mailto:m...@dlsi.ua.es>> wrote:

Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source
repositories,
without reference to SF.

Mikel

El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't
developers who
> have submitted PRs be equally eligible?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

Of course, a by-law cannot be ignored.

I still fail to see why this is unfair.

Mikel


El 26/2/20 a les 18:01, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
What I'm saying is, Bylaw 5 is still in effect, but is now unfair, due 
to the move to GitHub. I think we should either have a PMC vote before 
this election to revise Bylaw 5, or simply ignore it.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:59 AM Scoop Gracie > wrote:


At least to me, it seems unfair that some contributors should be
excluded.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:57 AM Scoop Gracie
mailto:scoopgra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Because now, many contributions come through pull requests.
Those definitions exclude any contributors who do not have
write access, even if they have contributed significantly to
Apertium.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada
mailto:m...@dlsi.ua.es>> wrote:

Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source
repositories,
without reference to SF.

Mikel

El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't
developers who
> have submitted PRs be equally eligible?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

May users without PMC or committer status propose a PMC vote?

Amend Bylaw 5: "The project's Committers are responsible for the project's
technical management. Committers are developers who have write access to
the project's source repositories, or who have contributed code to Apertium
in any meaningful and significant way in the past six months. Committers
may cast binding votes on any technical discussion regarding the project."
Amend Bylaw 23.G: "After 7 days to amend the census, a definitive census of
Committers with right to vote will be published by the Election Board. Only
Committers with email addresses known to the current PMC or the Election
Board will be allowed to vote."

This would include all PR contributors, as well as devs with write access.
It would also ensure that only devs we can contact are included.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:04 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
> write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
> I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
> to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in
>> which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs
>> in a sustained way, they should be named committers.
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>
>> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
>> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
>> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>>> without reference to SF.
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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Well, I consider myself a fairly active contributor, but I do not have
write access to any repo. Therefore, I am excluded from voting, even though
I am just as much an Apertium developer as many of the other devs (who get
to vote). IMHO, that seems unfair.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in which
> casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through PRs in a
> sustained way, they should be named committers.
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>
> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>> without reference to SF.
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

I might be wrong, but I understood that pull requests are the way in 
which casual developers contribute. If a developer contributes through 
PRs in a sustained way, they should be named committers.


Mikel


El 26/2/20 a les 17:57, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those 
definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, 
even if they have contributed significantly to Apertium.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada > wrote:


Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source
repositories,
without reference to SF.

Mikel

El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
> have submitted PRs be equally eligible?

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

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What I'm saying is, Bylaw 5 is still in effect, but is now unfair, due to
the move to GitHub. I think we should either have a PMC vote before this
election to revise Bylaw 5, or simply ignore it.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:59 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> At least to me, it seems unfair that some contributors should be excluded.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:57 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
>> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
>> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>>> without reference to SF.
>>>
>>> Mikel
>>>
>>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

At least to me, it seems unfair that some contributors should be excluded.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:57 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
> definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
> they have contributed significantly to Apertium.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
>> without reference to SF.
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
>> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
>> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>>
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Because now, many contributions come through pull requests. Those
definitions exclude any contributors who do not have write access, even if
they have contributed significantly to Apertium.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:55 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories,
> without reference to SF.
>
> Mikel
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
> > That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who
> > have submitted PRs be equally eligible?
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

Why is it SF-related? It talks about the project's source repositories, 
without reference to SF.


Mikel

El 26/2/20 a les 17:49, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:
That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who 
have submitted PRs be equally eligible?


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

So a PR is not sufficient?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:50 AM Jonathan Washington <
jonathan.n.washing...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreed, that seems pretty clear.  But that's not how it works in reality.
>
> That is, the primary maintainers of specific repositories give other
> people write access, not the PMC.  E.g., when I give someone access to a
> Turkic translation pair, it's not because I'm on the PMC, but because I'm a
> maintainer of that pair.  I think the by-laws should probably be revised to
> reflect a more realistic workflow.
>
> Also, PMC members can certainly be pinged to give access, but does it
> require a vote?  Does it require some research and/or checking with the
> repo's primary maintainers?  (PMC members are not usually aware of the
> social history of everyone seeking to contribute to any given language
> pair, for example.)
>
> --
> Jonathan
>
> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:25, Mikel L. Forcada :
>
>> I think this is well defined:
>>
>> "18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
>> […]
>> Giving access rights to new Committers.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>>
>> El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
>>
>> That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in
>> the bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
>> raises a few questions:
>>
>> - How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
>> - How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?
>>
>> These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.
>>
>> Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub
>> profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask it
>> in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with this,
>> though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for purposes
>> of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address should be known
>> to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if they do not either
>> have an email address posted on their GitHub profile or are a member of the
>> apertium-stuff mailing list."
>>
>> Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff mailing
>> list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  We could
>> potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain access though?
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan
>>
>> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie :
>>
>>> Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
>>> * All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
>>> ApertiumBot/begiak),
>>> * Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
>>> * Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
>>> Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on
>>> his/her GitHub profile.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Okay, so it sounds like I can run.

 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen 
 wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much
>> of a time commitment is this?
>>
>
> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13
> - that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>
> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
> comply with contract laws.
>
> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
> than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
> isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

That is an outdated, SF-based definition. Shouldn't developers who have
submitted PRs be equally eligible?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:25 AM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> I think this is well defined:
>
> "18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
> […]
> Giving access rights to new Committers.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
>
> That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in
> the bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
> raises a few questions:
>
> - How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
> - How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?
>
> These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.
>
> Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub
> profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask it
> in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with this,
> though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for purposes
> of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address should be known
> to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if they do not either
> have an email address posted on their GitHub profile or are a member of the
> apertium-stuff mailing list."
>
> Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff mailing
> list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  We could
> potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain access though?
>
> --
> Jonathan
>
> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie :
>
>> Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
>> * All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
>> ApertiumBot/begiak),
>> * Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
>> * Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
>> Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on
>> his/her GitHub profile.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
 wrote:

> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much
> of a time commitment is this?
>

 Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13
 - that would comply with various worldwide laws.

 But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
 comply with contract laws.

 As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
 than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
 isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.

 -- Tino Didriksen

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Jonathan Washington]

Agreed, that seems pretty clear.  But that's not how it works in reality.

That is, the primary maintainers of specific repositories give other people
write access, not the PMC.  E.g., when I give someone access to a Turkic
translation pair, it's not because I'm on the PMC, but because I'm a
maintainer of that pair.  I think the by-laws should probably be revised to
reflect a more realistic workflow.

Also, PMC members can certainly be pinged to give access, but does it
require a vote?  Does it require some research and/or checking with the
repo's primary maintainers?  (PMC members are not usually aware of the
social history of everyone seeking to contribute to any given language
pair, for example.)

--
Jonathan

ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:25, Mikel L. Forcada :

> I think this is well defined:
>
> "18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
> […]
> Giving access rights to new Committers.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mikel
>
>
> El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
>
> That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in
> the bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
> raises a few questions:
>
> - How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
> - How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?
>
> These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.
>
> Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub
> profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask it
> in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with this,
> though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for purposes
> of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address should be known
> to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if they do not either
> have an email address posted on their GitHub profile or are a member of the
> apertium-stuff mailing list."
>
> Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff mailing
> list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  We could
> potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain access though?
>
> --
> Jonathan
>
> ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie :
>
>> Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
>> * All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
>> ApertiumBot/begiak),
>> * Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
>> * Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
>> Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on
>> his/her GitHub profile.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
 wrote:

> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much
> of a time commitment is this?
>

 Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13
 - that would comply with various worldwide laws.

 But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
 comply with contract laws.

 As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
 than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
 isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.

 -- Tino Didriksen

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

I think this is well defined:

"18 The responsibilities of the Project Management Committee include
[…]
Giving access rights to new Committers.

Cheers

Mikel


El 26/2/20 a les 17:22, Jonathan Washington ha escrit:
That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status 
in the bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but 
it also raises a few questions:


- How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
- How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?

These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.

Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub 
profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask 
it in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with 
this, though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for 
purposes of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address 
should be known to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if 
they do not either have an email address posted on their GitHub 
profile or are a member of the apertium-stuff mailing list."


Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff 
mailing list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  
We could potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain 
access though?


--
Jonathan

ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie >:


Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
* All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
ApertiumBot/begiak),
* Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
* Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address
on his/her GitHub profile.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie
mailto:scoopgra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Okay, so it sounds like I can run.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen
mailto:m...@tinodidriksen.com>> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie
mailto:scoopgra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over
18? And, how much of a time commitment is this?


Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just
need to be 13 - that would comply with various worldwide laws.

But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+,
again to comply with contract laws.

As for time spent ... well, if previous years is
any indication, less than an hour per week on average.
Vast majority of time spent on Apertium isn't really spent
on PMC-specific matters.

-- Tino Didriksen

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

It is defined in the by-laws!

Article 5. "Committers are developers who have write access to the 
project's source repositories."


Article 4 says: "*A developer that makes sustained, welcomed 
contributions to the project may be invited to become a committer*, 
though the exact timing of such invitations depends on many factors"


Best,

Mikel



El 26/2/20 a les 17:02, Scoop Gracie ha escrit:

Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
* All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously, 
ApertiumBot/begiak),

* Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
* Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on 
his/her GitHub profile.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie > wrote:


Okay, so it sounds like I can run.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen mailto:m...@tinodidriksen.com>> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie
mailto:scoopgra...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18?
And, how much of a time commitment is this?


Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need
to be 13 - that would comply with various worldwide laws.

But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again
to comply with contract laws.

As for time spent ... well, if previous years is
any indication, less than an hour per week on average. Vast
majority of time spent on Apertium isn't really spent on
PMC-specific matters.

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Jonathan Washington]

That's a good start for a discussion about revising committer status in the
bylaws, and maybe for use of a definition for the election, but it also
raises a few questions:

- How do we decide who's a member of the GitHub org?
- How do we decide who has write access to an Apertium repo?

These are decided somewhat arbitrarily at this point.

Also, people decide not to include their email address on their GitHub
profile for various reasons (though often don't take the care the mask it
in their commit history).  I understand where you're going with this,
though—and I think it's better stated the other way around: "for purposes
of being contacted for voting, a committer's email address should be known
to the PMC; they cannot expect to receive a ballot if they do not either
have an email address posted on their GitHub profile or are a member of the
apertium-stuff mailing list."

Actually, though, admin access to the manage the apertium-stuff mailing
list has been lost, iirc, so that might be problematic too.  We could
potentially work something out with sourceforge to regain access though?

--
Jonathan

ср, 26 февр. 2020 г. в 11:03, Scoop Gracie :

> Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
> * All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
> ApertiumBot/begiak),
> * Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
> * Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
> Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on
> his/her GitHub profile.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much
 of a time commitment is this?

>>>
>>> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
>>> that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>>>
>>> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
>>> with contract laws.
>>>
>>> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
>>> than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
>>> isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>>>
>>> -- Tino Didriksen
>>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Also, may I suggest a definition of "committer"?
* All members of the Apertium GitHub org (except, obviously,
ApertiumBot/begiak),
* Anyone with write access to an Apertium repo,
* Anyone who has submitted and had merged a PR in the last 6 months
Anyone in any of the categories above must have an email address on his/her
GitHub profile.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 7:27 AM Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Okay, so it sounds like I can run.
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of
>>> a time commitment is this?
>>>
>>
>> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
>> that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>>
>> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
>> with contract laws.
>>
>> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less
>> than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium
>> isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>>
>> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Okay, so it sounds like I can run.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 05:26 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of
>> a time commitment is this?
>>
>
> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
> that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>
> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
> with contract laws.
>
> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less than
> an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium isn't
> really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Mikel L. Forcada]

Hi there,

I also agree with Tino.

Fran, thanks for coming forward.

Mikel


El 26/2/20 a les 14:49, Francis Tyers ha escrit:

I will put myself down for president this time, and +1 to Tino's points.

Fran

El 2020-02-26 13:36, Jonathan Washington escribió:

Thanks for calling the election, Mikel. It was pointed out on IRC
during GCI that it was time to run an election again, but everyone was
busy with GCI so it didn't receive more attention.

+1 to Tino's points.

I'll be running for PMC again, so I'll recuse myself from involvement
with the election board.

--
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On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 08:26 Tino Didriksen 
wrote:


On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
wrote:


Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how
much of a time commitment is this?


Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be
13 - that would comply with various worldwide laws.

But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
comply with contract laws.

As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication,
less than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent
on Apertium isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Francis Tyers]

I will put myself down for president this time, and +1 to Tino's points.

Fran

El 2020-02-26 13:36, Jonathan Washington escribió:

Thanks for calling the election, Mikel.  It was pointed out on IRC
during GCI that it was time to run an election again, but everyone was
busy with GCI so it didn't receive more attention.

+1 to Tino's points.

I'll be running for PMC again, so I'll recuse myself from involvement
with the election board.

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 08:26 Tino Didriksen 
wrote:


On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie 
wrote:


Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how
much of a time commitment is this?


Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be
13 - that would comply with various worldwide laws.

But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to
comply with contract laws.

As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication,
less than an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent
on Apertium isn't really spent on PMC-specific matters.

-- Tino Didriksen

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Jonathan Washington]

Thanks for calling the election, Mikel.  It was pointed out on IRC during
GCI that it was time to run an election again, but everyone was busy with
GCI so it didn't receive more attention.

+1 to Tino's points.

I'll be running for PMC again, so I'll recuse myself from involvement with
the election board.

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On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 08:26 Tino Didriksen  wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie  wrote:
>
>> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of
>> a time commitment is this?
>>
>
> Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
> that would comply with various worldwide laws.
>
> But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
> with contract laws.
>
> As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less than
> an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium isn't
> really spent on PMC-specific matters.
>
> -- Tino Didriksen
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 13:13, Scoop Gracie  wrote:

> Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of a
> time commitment is this?
>

Undefined. I would say that to be a PMC member, you just need to be 13 -
that would comply with various worldwide laws.

But, any power of the purse should be restricted to 18+, again to comply
with contract laws.

As for time spent ... well, if previous years is any indication, less than
an hour per week on average. Vast majority of time spent on Apertium isn't
really spent on PMC-specific matters.

-- Tino Didriksen
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Tino Didriksen]

Replied inline...

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 10:50, Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>

We're late, but I would say with good reason. Critically, who are the
"Assembly of Committers" now? Since we moved to Github, access has been
granted much looser and faster (which is a good thing), because we can
grant access to specific repos instead of the whole organization. But this
means the concept in the bylaws no longer holds.

We have 99 members (1 bot) of the Github organization
https://github.com/orgs/apertium/people and 31 contributors who aren't
direct members https://github.com/orgs/apertium/outside-collaborators

There also used to be a lot of people listed on
https://github.com/orgs/apertium/pending_members who never responded to the
invite after the conversion, but that list has been wiped it seems.

But, I guess for this election we can just decide responding to the census
counts in itself. This (and other things) must be fixed by the new PMC,
though.

(2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with one
> substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this board,
> preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election. I would
> appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and one of
> them led the process.
>
We can use https://heliosvoting.org/ to ensure even those running the
election can't see who votes for who - then we just need someone to do the
census and set up the election once candidates report in.

(3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>

In that case, I would like to run for president, with the express purpose
of initially shaking things up - overhaul the bylaws and ideally move to a
formal non-profit organization structure, and actually put in the work to
do those things.

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] Apertium elections coming up.

[Scoop Gracie]

Is there any requirement for PMC members to be over 18? And, how much of a
time commitment is this?

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 01:51 Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> (1) According to our by-laws  [http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Bylaws],
> article 8, "The Assembly of Committers elects the Project Management
> Committee of Apertium every two years or whenever a vacancy occurs". The
> last election occurred in December 2017. We are therefore late.
>
> (2) According to article 23a, "An Election Board of 3 committers (with one
> substitute each) will run the election.". We need to appoint this board,
> preferrably made up of people who are not running for the election. I would
> appreciate it very much if six committers volunteered to run it and one of
> them led the process.
>
> (3) I announce will not run for president this time (I haven't decided
> about running for a position in the PMC yet). My role in Apertium in the
> last year has been testimonial and I believe it is time for someone else
> who is more active to chair the PMC.
>
> (4) As I am the only one who is able to operate the Apertium account(s),
> one of the first things we would have to do is for the new PMC to open a
> new account to which I would transfer the balance after updating the
> reporting I keep, which is outdated by about 4 months [1].
>
> All the best,
>
> Mikel
>
>
> [1]
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bOBwjJF-lLGwYJtxiNLGtqa9LygQsiQ81tgVgDl4yU0/edit?usp=sharing
>
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