Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Francis Tyers]

El 2019-04-12 19:06, Sushain Cherivirala escribió:

Okay, I've fixed and re-enabled HTTPS for apertium.org [2]. For
posterity:

1. Run pip --version, discover pip is 18 versions old. Uninstall pip
from package manager and install via get-pip.py.
2. Run virtualenv --version, discover virtualenv is N > 10 versions
old. Upgrade virtualenv using new pip.
3. Re-run certbot initial setup (works now!).
4. Verify crontab upgrade still works (it does).

Omitting the banging-head-against-wall between steps 1 and 2.

I also bumped the site up to v3.2.17 while I was at it, making live
the new(ish) Arabic and Galician translations!

SUSHAIN K. CHERIVIRALA



Thanks Sushain, we owe you N > 10 beers!

Fran


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Sushain Cherivirala]

Okay, I've fixed and re-enabled HTTPS for apertium.org. For posterity:

1. Run pip --version, discover pip is 18 versions old. Uninstall pip from
package manager and install via get-pip.py.
2. Run virtualenv --version, discover virtualenv is N > 10 versions old.
Upgrade virtualenv using new pip.
3. Re-run certbot initial setup (works now!).
4. Verify crontab upgrade still works (it does).

Omitting the banging-head-against-wall between steps 1 and 2.

I also bumped the site up to v3.2.17 while I was at it, making live the
new(ish) Arabic and Galician translations!

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*Sushain K. Cherivirala *
Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
(713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:20 AM Sushain Cherivirala 
wrote:

> Okay, took care of that. Things should work on http now until we can get
> certs working again.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:06 AM Sushain Cherivirala 
> wrote:
>
>> The new issue is simple. In config.conf, APY_URL is currently set to
>> https://www.apertium.org/apy.
>> Changing it to http://www.apertium.org/apy and running make will fix it.
>>
>> [image: Sushain Cherivirala]
>> *Sushain K. Cherivirala *
>> Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
>> Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
>> (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 7:23 AM Francis Tyers 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> El 2019-04-12 08:17, Sushain Cherivirala escribió:
>>> > Hi Mikel,
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted
>>> > with Fran a couple
>>> > days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
>>> > software doesn't work
>>> > well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't
>>> > have access to perform
>>> > any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version
>>> > of the software and
>>> > prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the
>>> > cert but also by default
>>> > updates the software).
>>> >
>>> > My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
>>> > redirects http to
>>> > https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO,
>>> > the preferable option
>>> > is just to redirect apertium.org [1]'s DNS entries to Tino's projectjj
>>> > server (already used by
>>> > beta.apertium.org [2]). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we
>>> > don't end up here
>>> > again since we'll have direct access.
>>> >
>>> > SUSHAIN K. CHERIVIRALA
>>> >
>>> > Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
>>> > Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
>>> >
>>> > (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name [3]
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Dear all,
>>> >>
>>> >> When trying to access apertium.org [1] from the Universitat
>>> >> d'Alacant,
>>> >> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a
>>> >> trusted
>>> >> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
>>> >>
>>> >> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself,
>>> >> does
>>> >> anyone know how to solve this?
>>> >>
>>>
>>> I tried acme.sh but it didn't work (see the IRC logs)
>>>
>>> I managed to turn off the SSL redirect, but translation is not
>>> working via the website. Although at least it now appears.
>>>
>>> Fran
>>>
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Sushain Cherivirala]

Okay, took care of that. Things should work on http now until we can get
certs working again.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:06 AM Sushain Cherivirala 
wrote:

> The new issue is simple. In config.conf, APY_URL is currently set to
> https://www.apertium.org/apy.
> Changing it to http://www.apertium.org/apy and running make will fix it.
>
> [image: Sushain Cherivirala]
> *Sushain K. Cherivirala *
> Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
> Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
> (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 7:23 AM Francis Tyers  wrote:
>
>> El 2019-04-12 08:17, Sushain Cherivirala escribió:
>> > Hi Mikel,
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted
>> > with Fran a couple
>> > days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
>> > software doesn't work
>> > well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't
>> > have access to perform
>> > any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version
>> > of the software and
>> > prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the
>> > cert but also by default
>> > updates the software).
>> >
>> > My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
>> > redirects http to
>> > https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO,
>> > the preferable option
>> > is just to redirect apertium.org [1]'s DNS entries to Tino's projectjj
>> > server (already used by
>> > beta.apertium.org [2]). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we
>> > don't end up here
>> > again since we'll have direct access.
>> >
>> > SUSHAIN K. CHERIVIRALA
>> >
>> > Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
>> > Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
>> >
>> > (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name [3]
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> When trying to access apertium.org [1] from the Universitat
>> >> d'Alacant,
>> >> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a
>> >> trusted
>> >> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
>> >>
>> >> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself,
>> >> does
>> >> anyone know how to solve this?
>> >>
>>
>> I tried acme.sh but it didn't work (see the IRC logs)
>>
>> I managed to turn off the SSL redirect, but translation is not
>> working via the website. Although at least it now appears.
>>
>> Fran
>>
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Sushain Cherivirala]

The new issue is simple. In config.conf, APY_URL is currently set to
https://www.apertium.org/apy.
Changing it to http://www.apertium.org/apy and running make will fix it.

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Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
(713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name


On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 7:23 AM Francis Tyers  wrote:

> El 2019-04-12 08:17, Sushain Cherivirala escribió:
> > Hi Mikel,
> >
> > Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted
> > with Fran a couple
> > days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
> > software doesn't work
> > well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't
> > have access to perform
> > any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version
> > of the software and
> > prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the
> > cert but also by default
> > updates the software).
> >
> > My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
> > redirects http to
> > https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO,
> > the preferable option
> > is just to redirect apertium.org [1]'s DNS entries to Tino's projectjj
> > server (already used by
> > beta.apertium.org [2]). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we
> > don't end up here
> > again since we'll have direct access.
> >
> > SUSHAIN K. CHERIVIRALA
> >
> > Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
> > Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
> >
> > (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name [3]
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> When trying to access apertium.org [1] from the Universitat
> >> d'Alacant,
> >> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a
> >> trusted
> >> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
> >>
> >> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself,
> >> does
> >> anyone know how to solve this?
> >>
>
> I tried acme.sh but it didn't work (see the IRC logs)
>
> I managed to turn off the SSL redirect, but translation is not
> working via the website. Although at least it now appears.
>
> Fran
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Francis Tyers]

El 2019-04-12 08:17, Sushain Cherivirala escribió:

Hi Mikel,

Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted
with Fran a couple
days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
software doesn't work
well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't
have access to perform
any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version
of the software and
prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the
cert but also by default
updates the software).

My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
redirects http to
https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO,
the preferable option
is just to redirect apertium.org [1]'s DNS entries to Tino's projectjj
server (already used by
beta.apertium.org [2]). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we
don't end up here
again since we'll have direct access.

SUSHAIN K. CHERIVIRALA

Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18

(713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name [3]

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada 
wrote:


Dear all,

When trying to access apertium.org [1] from the Universitat
d'Alacant,
browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a
trusted
site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a

security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself,
does
anyone know how to solve this?



I tried acme.sh but it didn't work (see the IRC logs)

I managed to turn off the SSL redirect, but translation is not
working via the website. Although at least it now appears.

Fran


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Francis Tyers]

El 2019-04-12 08:28, Mikel L. Forcada escribió:

Thanks Fran and Sushain.

I am not sure how I can help.

Migrating to another server, updating, and making everything work
sounds OK to me. I would just have to redirect the DNS when it's
ready. I think Apertium could pay for this job.

But we need something short term. Students are using apertium.org and
the apertium web service and they get errors when trying to translate
with their projects.

Remember that we do have an apertium server hosted by Bytemark.

Please let me know how to proceed at this end.

I can also ask my Department to see if I can make Apertium.org
accessible from outside.



I think the easiest and quickest solution would be to get Sushain and 
Tino

access to xixona (either via altea or directly).

I have been trying out a few different things just now but I have to
fly to Baltimore for the weekend today and will be fairly unavailable
while I am there.

I think we should also set up some kind of cloned backup or roundrobin
so we can do a "hotswap" in future cases like this.

Fran


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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[mansur]

Hello!

I don't know how old that Debian distro is, but in one of my projects I
have quite old CentOS 6 as a web-server. Instead of Certbot I use Acme.sh
there and it works fine. Maybe it will be of use here too? If you need any
help, please, let me know. Thank you.

With best wishes,
Mansur

Am Fr., 12. Apr. 2019 um 10:29 Uhr schrieb Mikel L. Forcada :

> Thanks Fran and Sushain.
>
> I am not sure how I can help.
>
> Migrating to another server, updating, and making everything work sounds
> OK to me. I would just have to redirect the DNS when it's ready. I think
> Apertium could pay for this job.
>
> But we need something short term. Students are using apertium.org and the
> apertium web service and they get errors when trying to translate with
> their projects.
>
> Remember that we do have an apertium server hosted by Bytemark.
>
> Please let me know how to proceed at this end.
>
> I can also ask my Department to see if I can make Apertium.org accessible
> from outside.
>
> Cheers
>
> Mikel
>
> El 12/4/19 a les 9:17, Sushain Cherivirala ha escrit:
>
> Hi Mikel,
>
> Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted with
> Fran a couple
> days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
> software doesn't work
> well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't have
> access to perform
> any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version of
> the software and
> prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the cert
> but also by default
> updates the software).
>
> My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
> redirects http to
> https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO, the
> preferable option
> is just to redirect apertium.org's DNS entries to Tino's projectjj server
> (already used by
> beta.apertium.org). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we don't
> end up here
> again since we'll have direct access.
>
> [image: Sushain Cherivirala]
> *Sushain K. Cherivirala *
> Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
> Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
> (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> When trying to access apertium.org from the Universitat d'Alacant,
>> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a trusted
>> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
>> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself, does
>> anyone know how to solve this?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> --
>>   Mikel L. Forcada (http://www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/)
>> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
>> Universitat d'Alacant
>> E-03071 Alacant, Spain
>> Phone: +34 96 590 9776
>> Fax: +34 96 590 9326
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Mikel L. Forcada]

Thanks Fran and Sushain.

I am not sure how I can help.

Migrating to another server, updating, and making everything work sounds 
OK to me. I would just have to redirect the DNS when it's ready. I think 
Apertium could pay for this job.


But we need something short term. Students are using apertium.org and 
the apertium web service and they get errors when trying to translate 
with their projects.


Remember that we do have an apertium server hosted by Bytemark.

Please let me know how to proceed at this end.

I can also ask my Department to see if I can make Apertium.org 
accessible from outside.


Cheers

Mikel

El 12/4/19 a les 9:17, Sushain Cherivirala ha escrit:

Hi Mikel,

Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted 
with Fran a couple
days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client 
software doesn't work
well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't 
have access to perform
any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version 
of the software and
prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the 
cert but also by default

updates the software).

My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that 
redirects http to
https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO, 
the preferable option
is just to redirect apertium.org 's DNS entries 
to Tino's projectjj server (already used by
beta.apertium.org ). Then, Fran, myself and 
others can make sure we don't end up here

again since we'll have direct access.

Sushain Cherivirala 
*Sushain K. Cherivirala *
Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
(713) 992-4043 |www.skc.name 



On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada > wrote:


Dear all,

When trying to access apertium.org  from the
Universitat d'Alacant,
browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a
trusted
site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself,
does
anyone know how to solve this?

Cheers

Mikel

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E-03071 Alacant, Spain
Phone: +34 96 590 9776
Fax: +34 96 590 9326



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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Joan Moratinos Jaume]

No sé si pot ajudar però jo tenia un problema amb un lloc meu que redirigia
a https. letsencrypt espera que un directori sigui accessible per renovar
el certificat. Aquí hi ha la part rellevant de la configuració:

RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTPS} !=on
*RewriteRule ^/.well-known/ - [L]*
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}$1 [R,QSA]



On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 at 09:17, Sushain Cherivirala  wrote:

> Hi Mikel,
>
> Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted with
> Fran a couple
> days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
> software doesn't work
> well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't have
> access to perform
> any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version of
> the software and
> prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the cert
> but also by default
> updates the software).
>
> My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
> redirects http to
> https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO, the
> preferable option
> is just to redirect apertium.org's DNS entries to Tino's projectjj server
> (already used by
> beta.apertium.org). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we don't
> end up here
> again since we'll have direct access.
>
> [image: Sushain Cherivirala]
> *Sushain K. Cherivirala *
> Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
> Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
> (713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> When trying to access apertium.org from the Universitat d'Alacant,
>> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a trusted
>> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
>> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself, does
>> anyone know how to solve this?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> --
>>   Mikel L. Forcada (http://www.dlsi.ua.es/~mlf/)
>> Departament de Llenguatges i Sistemes Informàtics
>> Universitat d'Alacant
>> E-03071 Alacant, Spain
>> Phone: +34 96 590 9776
>> Fax: +34 96 590 9326
>>
>>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Anthony J. Bentley]

Mikel L. Forcada writes:
> When trying to access apertium.org from the Universitat d'Alacant, 
> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a trusted 
> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a 
> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself, does 
> anyone know how to solve this?

The certificate expired. Nothing we users can do to fix that...

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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Sushain Cherivirala]

Hi Mikel,

Unfortunately, the certificate expired a couple weeks ago. I chatted with
Fran a couple
days ago and attempted to fix it. However, the Let's Encrypt client
software doesn't work
well with the old version of Debian installed on xixona and I don't have
access to perform
any detailed debugging or figure out how to install an older version of the
software and
prevent it from self-updating again (there's a cron that renews the cert
but also by default
updates the software).

My simple suggestion was to remove the line in the Apache config that
redirects http to
https, at least preventing the site from being entirely unusable. IMO, the
preferable option
is just to redirect apertium.org's DNS entries to Tino's projectjj server
(already used by
beta.apertium.org). Then, Fran, myself and others can make sure we don't
end up here
again since we'll have direct access.

[image: Sushain Cherivirala]
*Sushain K. Cherivirala *
Stanford University, M.S. in Computer Science '19
Carnegie Mellon University, B.S. in Computer Science '18
(713) 992-4043 | www.skc.name


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 11:56 PM Mikel L. Forcada  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> When trying to access apertium.org from the Universitat d'Alacant,
> browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a trusted
> site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
> security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself, does
> anyone know how to solve this?
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [Apertium-stuff] apertium.org certificate problems?

[Francis Tyers]

El 2019-04-12 07:37, Mikel L. Forcada escribió:

Dear all,

When trying to access apertium.org from the Universitat d'Alacant,
browsers suggest that you should not do it because it is not a trusted
site. Also, when using the Apertium web server from inside OmegaT, a
security error pops up. I don't know if I can do anything myself, does
anyone know how to solve this?

Cheers

Mikel


Hi Mikel,

The problem is on xixona, with a program called 'certbot', we have an
outdated version of something in python. I have tried to update it,
but as of yet have had no success.

A longer term solution is to move the hosting of apertium.org to
a server where other contributors (e.g. Sushain, Tino) have access to
be able to fix the issues and keep the machine up to date.

Fran


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