[arr] Update : Bangalore - Rahman Fans Meet

2005-03-30 Thread Arun KB Ganesh

Hi All,

Out of the responses that we received lately, a few friends will not
be able to make it on 2nd for the meet, due to personal and official
reasons. Since we want the meet to have maximum participation, we have
decided to postpone the meet.

My sincere apologies to the friends who already planned it for 2nd.
Hope you understand.

So we have fixed it for :-

Date : April 10th - Sunday (No Ind-Pak match)
Time : 3 PM
Venue : Coffee World, Courtyard of Mota Arcade, Brigade Road, Bangalore

As April 10th being a Sunday, I hope this will enable everyone to
attend the meet.

My number is 98456-00209, will be active from Friday, Apr 1st.

Cheers,
Arun

-- Forwarded message --
From: Arun KB Ganesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:29:08 +
Subject: Reminder : Bangalore - Rahman Fans Meet
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com

Hi All,

Reg : Bangalore ARR Fans Meet

10 people have responded to me and Gopal till now.

Tentative Venue : Coffee World, Courtyard of Mota Arcade, Brigade Road
(Suggestions for a better place are welcome).
Tentative Date : April 1 & 2

April 1 might cause inconvenience to some people who might have to
stay back in office until late night. I am one of them.

Whoever wants to join us, are still welcome to send in their mails to
Gopal or myself.

My cell number is 98456 00209.

Whoever is interested to join us, please let us know latest by March
31st (the fans who have already responded, please ignore this)

Gopal ! Thanks for your help !

Take care All !!

Cheers,
Arun

-- Forwarded message --
From: Arun KB Ganesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:14:27 +
Subject: Bangalore : Rahman Fans Meet
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com

Hi,

Rahmanfans in Bangalore,

I am Arun, a Rahmanfan in Bangalore.

How about having a meeting of Rahmanfans here in Bangalore?  It would
be great to meet up, and maybe, we all can make this club a big one
before the Bangalore concert.

All those, who would be interested to join, please respond.
We will decide on date & venue after seeing the number of responses.

Cheers,
Arun


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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Pavana Kumar CM


Karthik,

.  Anjali.. Anjali.. in the
charanam has shades of Mandu... and this has also been
told by SPB in a programme (forget about me, as I am
just a drop in the ocean of carnatic music) on Kairali
called "Symphony" which comes every saturday night at
9:00PM.He told the strength of Rahman lies in the
usage of this Raga and that's why he told both the
songs in this file (Duet) are based on Raga Mandu..." 
Do you need more authoritative statement on this.

It's good that you are allowing me to express my
views because there's some truth in it which you only
are denying and people like Akil and Mr. Ahmed have
given some thought to it.  

I am sure people are going to realize one day or
the other and truth obviously cannot be suppressed.

Naan onnu Vidwan innu sollikkaleye... though my
knowledge of carnatic music is good, i cannot call
myself an expert.. and for your kind information and
whatever knowledge I have "margazhi poove..." song is
based on Hindolam RAGA (in hindustani it is called
Malkouns).  Why did he need to use that tune when
other  music directors have been using this RAGA in
different style (i mean in Hindustani and Carnatic)
and created beautiful tunes..

   

Pavana

--- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> You are a desperate fan of a drowning
> MD...right...anyway...my duty is to
> enlighten you with facts...
> 
> >>>I have learnt carnatic  classical music
> Thing is you should learn it even better when you
> put on facts...
> 
> Anjali..Anjali belongs to Raaga .."Behag" a
> Hindustani raaga...where is
> Mandu there? Do you know the song "Humko man ki
> shakthi dena" song from "do
> aakhen Baarah Haath"...its a famous film and the
> song is also based on
> Behag...AGAIN A MIS-FIRE..
> 
> >>>This is forum where one  can express his views
> 
> True ..that is why you are still expressing what you
> alone thing is a
> genuine opinion...HAs the moderator ever interfered
> in your blabbers...The
> moderator of your camp would have by now issued a
> fatwaif such an
> argument e vr even creeped in his group about his
> MD...We are no Talibans
> here...You are welcome to question...but remember
> for any thing there is a
> limit...when in rain if a jackal looses its colour
> of a tiger...then you
> know what will happen to it.
> 
> >>>nobody can deny it because it is so evident..
> Only to  you...Has anybody agreed to you...Gather
> few of your camp men who
> are in disguise here to come in support of you...In
> a country of such a
> large population (4500+ members) we can expects few
> black sheeps.
> 
> >>>but did he not copy the tune of  "kausalya
> supraja rama..."
> 
> This is the height of comedy ever...It is quite
> obvious that the tune is
> infact the suprabhathamwhy...because...The
> heroine in the film..gets
> introduced with that song in the morning...its a new
> day for her where she
> hopes to get free from her strict home..Dear
> Genius!!! don't you see the
> actual song is no where near the tune of
> suprabhatham...Thiru Carnatic
> Vidhwaan avargale...can you tell me in which raaga
> it is composed?
> 
> >>>If you don't agree with it so be it... the fact
> is he has lifted
> 
> A cat assume that the world is dark and everybody is
> blind because it has
> closed its eyesYou are in that CATegory.
> 
> Take a pill of Amlodac.to pacify your high blood
> pressure and a couple of
> tea spoon of Digene to control you acidity...Then
> come back to your desktop
> to reply again...Health is every importantARR
> hatred should not
> deteriorate one's heath.ARR himself is very
> particular about it.
> 
> Regards,
> Karthik
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy
> of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >  For your kind information I have learnt
> carnatic
> > classical music and don't try to teach me.  First
> of
> > all let me tell you one thing... Even Anjali
> Anjali...
> > and Kathale en Kathale song from Duet also is
> based on
> > Mandu only.  Then how come those songs are not
> similar
> > to Sowkkiyama song...  Please analyze completely
> > before you talk non-sense..  This is forum where
> one
> > can express his views and if somebody has copied
> we
> > need to agree... nobody can deny it because it is
> so
> > evident..
> >
> > I don't know whether ARR sat whole night to
> get
> > inspired or not... but did he not copy the tune of
> > "kausalya supraja rama..." from Suprabhatam in
> > "Margazhi Poove..." from movie "May madham"... So
> why
> > he has to copy that.. Because it is popular... In
> the
> > same way he would have copied/lifted these tunes
> > also.
> >
> > If you don't agree with it so be it... the
> fact is he has lifted
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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RE: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Ranjith K





the whole thing about 
suprabhatham is going a long way ...
i believe that ARR has used that piece to bring the mood of earlymorning in to 
the song ..
and if u want to know what 
is a copy, you listen to the songs/bgm of malayalam movie 
"valyettan"
they have tried to disguise 
suprabhatham but have failed miserably ...
if u listen to that you'll 
know what is a blatant copy ...
 
here in maargazhi poove, he 
had to use that tune .. its early morning and may be even the director might 
have asked for that ..
it jells well with the 
situation ..
 
regards
ranji

  -Original Message-From: Pavana Kumar CM 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:59 
  AMTo: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [arr] 
  Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama 
  song!!!Hi 
  Karthik, I am in the right place.  
  Probably you are in thewrong place.  You guys are spoiling the true 
  talent ofa person by telling each and every composition asbrilliant 
  and not knowing the true facts.  As I havealways been saying a good 
  fan is also a good critic.Pavana --- 
  Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Thanks 
  Ravi,> > I feel that Pavana is some one who lost his 
  caravan> and accidentally got> mingled with us> 
  > Pavana, I suggest that you better try to stick to> your flock 
  of people> because, it is quite obvious from your tone that you> 
  do not belong to us...I> am not saying this because I am pained  
  or not able> to refute you, I am> saying this because, if you 
  continue to put in such> baseless allegation and> that too on 
  technical issue which you obviously are> not SURE ABOUT, I am> 
  sure you will be kicked out by some of the hardcore> ARR fans here who 
  cannot> tolerate B*ll Sh*t  in this forum.> > Hope 
  you take this mail positivelybecause all> who have endeavored 
  to> prove ARR wrong have resulted in Negative> > 
  Regards,> Karthik> > - Original Message - 
  > From: "Ravi d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: 
  > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
  4:34 PM> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy> 
  of Sowkkiyama song!!!> > > >> > Many a time 
  I have come across ppl saying ARR has> copied or copies> > 
  when asked where they will not b able to recollect> which song. I 
  dont> > know how to appreciate them with, bcos without> 
  knowledge of music> > though they are able to remeber ragaas. 
  Pavan> seems to be much like> > that. even when karthik has 
  clarified so well, If> he cannot agree it> > is his 
  individual potential problem of not trying> to understand. But> 
  > rather try to be on limelight by making these kind> of 
  comments.> > pavan be clear just by one line or a bit U 
  cannot> declare it as a> > copy. If somebody say that the 
  beats of Anbe from> kadhal desam is a> > copy of Enigma it 
  can be agreed (not sure if it> was a loop that was> > been 
  used by Enigma troop and ARR as well. But> just hardly one> > 
  sentence I think according to u one must> reinvent raagas.> 
  > Now what is that u want to prove, ARR doesnt match> IR for SB. It 
  might> > be a total folly to compare. If u think IR is> 
  unmatched go listen to> > some of the old classics in Kannada by 
  GK> Venkatesh who is also the> > guru for IR. U may have to 
  take back thewords.> Bcos I still feel that> > IR was not 
  able to match GKV interms of his blend> in harmony or melody> 
  > at those ages. though IR got his own adv with> technology later 
  on.> >> >> >> > > > 
  > >   
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Re: [arr] Vande Matram

2005-03-30 Thread Ravi d

Hi bhargava,
One way to get the inf is to look through the inlay card of the CD or cassatte.
I think that can give more info than any.
This was the album produced in 1997 keeping in mind the 50 year
celebration of Indian Independance. ARR met his schoolmate Bharat bala
( he is a renowned name in creating public awarness kind of propaganda
in the media). So both like minded ppl meet and they went on to make
something which makes the listener some feeling of the Indian
independance and the struggle to obtain freedom.
talking abt the songs it is more clear in the inlay cards and the
music itself is self explanatory.

I hope i have put some efforts to answer u 

RAVI


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Re: [arr] ITFA

2005-03-30 Thread Mohana Ramachandran



Hi Sundar.The Astro not yet Plan for the ITFA 2005. But i think For IFF Our Legend will come.sundra ganesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
 Dear fans
 
Is it Rahman come for the itfa 2005 celebrate in malaysia ?
Please reply my message anyone know that..
 
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Re: [arr] Ab Tak 56 Deserves

2005-03-30 Thread Karthik S

This is what is called a fair comment...Great manju...

Pavana, this is what most of our members expect from each other, I guess.
There is nothing wrong in being objectiveYou are too subjective about
ARR...you have entirely wrong perception.

regards,
karthik

- Original Message - 
From: "manjunath m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 2:23 AM
Subject: [arr] Ab Tak 56 Deserves


>
>
> hi frnds,
>
> i might have angered many of u.
>
> we being ARR fans, i believe, appreciate any sincere
> work.  Ab Tak 56 is a brilliant piece of work .  Dont
> just look at Salim-Suleimaan's background score,
> consider Nana's towering performance, Shmit Amin's
> thoughtful direction.
>
> i have not seen Meenaxi, might be the score is
> unparalled as the songs are.
>
> i know Salim-Suleimaan have made some unprecedented
> comments on our Maestro, they have also lost their
> steam by giving a mediocre score to Kaal.
>
> As one of our frnd has rightly said in his previous
> mails
>
> "The lonely elephant walks majestically, and the bunch
> of dogs bark."
>
> Salim-Suleimaan have also joined the brigade of ARR
> haters along with Ismail Durbar&co.
>
> But when it comes to the background score of Ab Tak
> 56, their work really stands out.
>
> waiting for ur comments and feedback.
>
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[arr] ITFA

2005-03-30 Thread sundra ganesh



 
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Please reply my message anyone know that..
 
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Re: [arr] RE: SANGAMAM IS IT - BLATANT COPY....

2005-03-30 Thread Aravind a.m.

Mr. Pavana,

Read my mail properly... Suprabhatam tune is used
probably to bring in the early morning effect... if u
see the song, it is picturised in early morning, with
the fog and dew all over  ARR has used that tune
probably to bring in that beautiful mood. It cant be
termed as copy... No other music would signify that
mod as beautifully as that tune.

MR. Karthik was right... You do not belong here 
U come up with arguments which do not hold water but u
persist arguing Please stop this

Aravind

--- Pavana Kumar CM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Mr Aravind,
> 
> First of all try to control your laughter. 
> Alaipayuthe Kanna.. is different in the sense the
> whole song is used in full and also jels with the
> title of the movie.  But Margazhi Poove tune is
> different from that of Suprabhatam... So why he has
> to
> mix the Suprabhatam tune to it... He could have used
> some other  tune there... 
> 
> No music director in India has scored
> composition
> till now independently including IR.  Only the
> degree
> of originality varies (probably IR and ARR would be
> 80-90% and guys like Anu Malik, Anand Milind, Nadeem
> Shravan etc etc would be 10-20%) All of them have
> got
> their own inspirations, own style etc.  So it would
> be
> wrong to proclaim that Rahman is 100% original.
> 
> Pavana
> 
> --- "Aravind a.m." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Pavana,
> > 
> > 
> > "Suprabhatam" in Margazhi poove is a copy ???
> > I could not control my laughter when i read that
> >  
> > ARR has used that piece to bring the mood of early
> > morning in to the song (this is what I think)
> > At this rate, u would even say that ARR has copied
> 
> > Alaipayuthe kanna ...LOL
> > ARR is the most original music director in India.
> > Understand that...
> > 
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Re: [arr] Suprabhatam

2005-03-30 Thread Vinayakam Murugan


By the same logic, Is En Kadhale in Duet inspired by Anjali Anjali of
the same film because  the tune appears in between. :-)


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 06:43:57 -0800 (PST), AKil Suvarna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> hi all
> i am a silent observer in this group and die hard fan
> of ARR. Good to listen to all those powerful
> discussion. Last i heard jugalbandi between karthik
> and pavana regarding the ragaas.
> 
> Pavana proves his point very well by giving an example
> of May madham. karthik do you hav anything to say
> about this?
> 
> I admit that i dont have any knowledge about the
> raagas but i can very well say that the tune in may
> madham had been inspired by suprabhatam.
> 
> Peace. Play safe
> 
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[arr] nowrunning.com reviews Bose

2005-03-30 Thread Krishnan Raghavan




http://www.nowrunning.com/musicreviews/musicReview.asp?id=2988


'Bose - The Forgotten Hero' music is Intensely Patriotic
Dr. P. V. Vaidyanathan Mar 30

 
Produced by: Sahara One Motion Pictures
Directed by: Shyam Benegal
Music: A.R.Rahman
Lyrics: Javed Akthar

Films on national leaders and on India's freedom struggle have always 
got a special place in the audience's hearts, and it will be good to 
see how Bose: The Forgotten Hero unfolds. A.R.Rahman has composed 
music for all types and all genres of films, but his speciality seems 
to be the patriotic ones. One has only to think back to the last 
decade or so, and realise that Rehman, more than anyone else, has 
been involved with patriotic films and albums. Vande Mataram, Roja, 
The Legend of Bhagat Singh, Lagaan and Swades are just a few of his 
proud presentations. And now on to Bose, which is an intensively 
patriotic album, and has a total of 18 numbers, of which 7 are songs 
and the remaining 11 are various pieces of music called themes.



Azaadi is the first number in this album, sung by A. R. Rehman and 
Western Choir, Chennai. Like most of the other songs in the album, 
it's a song, which is used to unite the force and inspire confidence 
and courage into their minds and bodies. The background reverberates 
to the cries of Jai Hind, Jai Hind. ''Kal Thak Mein tanha tha, par ab 
hai saath mere lakhon ki dhadkan'', says the patriotic lyrics. It's a 
battle cry song by the INA, for freedom and Rehman has infused enough 
strength into the song, in his typical voice, which we heard last in 
Swades.

Kadam Kadam is the next song, which again is the marching song of the 
INA. Vijay Prakash and Mumbai Film Choir sing this song, the lyrics 
of which say push the armymen to fearlessly march forward, and 
disregard their own lives, for the country's sake, sing this song. 
Delhi is your ultimate aim, says the song, and is set in a format 
suitable for a marching army. Kadam Kadam eventually became a famous 
marching song, and is used even now by the armed forces.

Ekla Chalo, by Sonu Nigam and Nachiketa Chakravarthy, stars with the 
Bengali words, Ekla chalo (walk alone), and Sonu Nigam's voice echoes 
these words in Hindi. The background music is soft and soothing. The 
lyrics are beautiful and reinforce the feelings that this life is for 
the country, and even if one dies in the service of the nation, it's 
no big deal. Sonu uses his mellifluous voice to great effect, to 
bring out the flavour and sweetness of Bengal, from where Bose hails.

Hum Dilli Dilli Jayenge is the next on the list, sung by Mumbai Film 
Choir. Here too, the background music uses drums, to create the 
effect of a song sung while marching towards freedom. Hum Dilli Dilli 
Jayenge was also a cry of the INA in those days. The words speak of 
the army's full faith in Subash Chandra Bose, and the ever 
willingness to lay 
down their lives, at his behest, as the army marches towards the 
capital, Delhi.

Desh Ki Mitti by Sonu Nigam and Anuradha Sriram is a slow melodious 
number, about the greatness and flavour of the soil of the country, 
perhaps sung by Subash Chandra Bose, when he is elsewhere. Music is 
essentially on violins and tabla. The entire song describes the 
various seasons, the geography, and the other unique aspects of life 
in India. The song is semi-classical, and Anuradha croons in the 
background. This is one of those songs like Pankaj Udhas's Chitti 
Aayi Hai, which will move many an Indian (especially the NRI's) to 
tears.

Zikr, by A. R. Rehman, Rafi, Rakesh and Shankar Ali, is in the format 
of a Muslim prayer to the mighty Allah, slow and lilting. The song 
has a tune that touches your heart, and is accompanied by loud drums. 
The lyrics in Urdu are beautiful, and are a pleasure to hear. As the 
song alternates between a fast and slow pace, the listener is 
enthralled.

Ghoomparani is the next song, sung by Sanpa Mukherjee and 
Satyanarayana Mishra. Here too, like the earlier song Ekla Chalo, the 
song has a liberal sprinkling of Bengali words. The song is slow and 
is almost in the form of a lullaby. The accompaniments on the flute 
are beautiful, as the male voice sings in the background. This is 
followed by an instrumental piece called Durga Pooja.

The entire second half of the album is devoted to a variety of themes 
called Netaji's theme 1 and 2, Afghanistan theme 1 and 2, Hitler's 
theme, Emilie theme and U boat theme. These are short instrumental 
pieces, which perhaps are employed in the film, depending on the 
stage and situation of the film. There is also an orchestral version 
of the earlier number Kadam Kadam Barhayeja and Desh ki Mitti. The 
album ends with an orchestra version of the Indian National Anthem, 
Jana Gana Mana.

The entire album is created for a patriotic, period film, and is 
totally different from the regular film albums that one hears 
nowadays. It is always a difficult task to write songs that can cause 
one's patriotism to sur

Re: [arr] Suprabhatam

2005-03-30 Thread Karthik S


Akil,

Only the prelude and one part of an interlude is obvious Suprabhatham...See
my mail to Mr. Genius about why it is so..also the entire tune is in
different scale of a popular raaga which Mr. Genius will say what it is
Jugal bandhi is a concert where musicians play in tandem different music
cultures...what we are having is Guru shishya discuss...ironically...Mr.
Genius is the Guru who has leant Carnatic music...I am the sisya...who
unfortunately has to clarify all of Guru's misconception...You know I am
neither a musician nor have learnt Carnatic music in class...

reagrds,
karthik

- Original Message - 
From: "AKil Suvarna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:13 PM
Subject: [arr] Suprabhatam


>
>
> hi all
> i am a silent observer in this group and die hard fan
> of ARR. Good to listen to all those powerful
> discussion. Last i heard jugalbandi between karthik
> and pavana regarding the ragaas.
>
> Pavana proves his point very well by giving an example
> of May madham. karthik do you hav anything to say
> about this?
>
> I admit that i dont have any knowledge about the
> raagas but i can very well say that the tune in may
> madham had been inspired by suprabhatam.
>
> Peace. Play safe
>
> Akil Suvarna
>







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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Karthik S


You are a desperate fan of a drowning MD...right...anyway...my duty is to
enlighten you with facts...

>>>I have learnt carnatic  classical music
Thing is you should learn it even better when you put on facts...

Anjali..Anjali belongs to Raaga .."Behag" a Hindustani raaga...where is
Mandu there? Do you know the song "Humko man ki shakthi dena" song from "do
aakhen Baarah Haath"...its a famous film and the song is also based on
Behag...AGAIN A MIS-FIRE..

>>>This is forum where one  can express his views

True ..that is why you are still expressing what you alone thing is a
genuine opinion...HAs the moderator ever interfered in your blabbers...The
moderator of your camp would have by now issued a fatwaif such an
argument e vr even creeped in his group about his MD...We are no Talibans
here...You are welcome to question...but remember for any thing there is a
limit...when in rain if a jackal looses its colour of a tiger...then you
know what will happen to it.

>>>nobody can deny it because it is so evident..
Only to  you...Has anybody agreed to you...Gather few of your camp men who
are in disguise here to come in support of you...In a country of such a
large population (4500+ members) we can expects few black sheeps.

>>>but did he not copy the tune of  "kausalya supraja rama..."

This is the height of comedy ever...It is quite obvious that the tune is
infact the suprabhathamwhy...because...The heroine in the film..gets
introduced with that song in the morning...its a new day for her where she
hopes to get free from her strict home..Dear Genius!!! don't you see the
actual song is no where near the tune of suprabhatham...Thiru Carnatic
Vidhwaan avargale...can you tell me in which raaga it is composed?

>>>If you don't agree with it so be it... the fact is he has lifted

A cat assume that the world is dark and everybody is blind because it has
closed its eyesYou are in that CATegory.

Take a pill of Amlodac.to pacify your high blood pressure and a couple of
tea spoon of Digene to control you acidity...Then come back to your desktop
to reply again...Health is every importantARR hatred should not
deteriorate one's heath.ARR himself is very particular about it.

Regards,
Karthik



- Original Message - 
From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!


>
>
> Hi,
>
>  For your kind information I have learnt carnatic
> classical music and don't try to teach me.  First of
> all let me tell you one thing... Even Anjali Anjali...
> and Kathale en Kathale song from Duet also is based on
> Mandu only.  Then how come those songs are not similar
> to Sowkkiyama song...  Please analyze completely
> before you talk non-sense..  This is forum where one
> can express his views and if somebody has copied we
> need to agree... nobody can deny it because it is so
> evident..
>
> I don't know whether ARR sat whole night to get
> inspired or not... but did he not copy the tune of
> "kausalya supraja rama..." from Suprabhatam in
> "Margazhi Poove..." from movie "May madham"... So why
> he has to copy that.. Because it is popular... In the
> same way he would have copied/lifted these tunes
> also.
>
> If you don't agree with it so be it... the fact is he has lifted
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Re: [arr] RE: SANGAMAM IS IT - BLATANT COPY....

2005-03-30 Thread Pavana Kumar CM


Mr Aravind,

First of all try to control your laughter. 
Alaipayuthe Kanna.. is different in the sense the
whole song is used in full and also jels with the
title of the movie.  But Margazhi Poove tune is
different from that of Suprabhatam... So why he has to
mix the Suprabhatam tune to it... He could have used
some other  tune there... 

No music director in India has scored composition
till now independently including IR.  Only the degree
of originality varies (probably IR and ARR would be
80-90% and guys like Anu Malik, Anand Milind, Nadeem
Shravan etc etc would be 10-20%) All of them have got
their own inspirations, own style etc.  So it would be
wrong to proclaim that Rahman is 100% original.

Pavana

--- "Aravind a.m." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Pavana,
> 
> 
> "Suprabhatam" in Margazhi poove is a copy ???
> I could not control my laughter when i read that
>  
> ARR has used that piece to bring the mood of early
> morning in to the song (this is what I think)
> At this rate, u would even say that ARR has copied 
> Alaipayuthe kanna ...LOL
> ARR is the most original music director in India.
> Understand that...
> 
> Aravind
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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Pavana Kumar CM


Hi Karthik,

 I am in the right place.  Probably you are in the
wrong place.  You guys are spoiling the true talent of
a person by telling each and every composition as
brilliant and not knowing the true facts.  As I have
always been saying a good fan is also a good critic.

Pavana
 
--- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ravi,
> 
> I feel that Pavana is some one who lost his caravan
> and accidentally got
> mingled with us
> 
> Pavana, I suggest that you better try to stick to
> your flock of people
> because, it is quite obvious from your tone that you
> do not belong to us...I
> am not saying this because I am pained  or not able
> to refute you, I am
> saying this because, if you continue to put in such
> baseless allegation and
> that too on technical issue which you obviously are
> not SURE ABOUT, I am
> sure you will be kicked out by some of the hardcore
> ARR fans here who cannot
> tolerate B*ll Sh*t  in this forum.
> 
> Hope you take this mail positivelybecause all
> who have endeavored to
> prove ARR wrong have resulted in Negative
> 
> Regards,
> Karthik
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ravi d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy
> of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> 
> 
> >
> > Many a time I have come across ppl saying ARR has
> copied or copies
> > when asked where they will not b able to recollect
> which song. I dont
> > know how to appreciate them with, bcos without
> knowledge of music
> > though they are able to remeber ragaas. Pavan
> seems to be much like
> > that. even when karthik has clarified so well, If
> he cannot agree it
> > is his individual potential problem of not trying
> to understand. But
> > rather try to be on limelight by making these kind
> of comments.
> > pavan be clear just by one line or a bit U cannot
> declare it as a
> > copy. If somebody say that the beats of Anbe from
> kadhal desam is a
> > copy of Enigma it can be agreed (not sure if it
> was a loop that was
> > been used by Enigma troop and ARR as well. But
> just hardly one
> > sentence I think according to u one must
> reinvent raagas.
> > Now what is that u want to prove, ARR doesnt match
> IR for SB. It might
> > be a total folly to compare. If u think IR is
> unmatched go listen to
> > some of the old classics in Kannada by GK
> Venkatesh who is also the
> > guru for IR. U may have to take back thewords.
> Bcos I still feel that
> > IR was not able to match GKV interms of his blend
> in harmony or melody
> > at those ages. though IR got his own adv with
> technology later on.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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[arr] ARR nominated for Bollywood Awards

2005-03-30 Thread Gopal Srinivasan


Bollywood Awards 2005

Best Music

Pritam-Dhoom
Madan Mohan-Veer-Zaara
Jatin Lalit-Hum Tum
Anu Malik-Main Hoon Na
AR Rahman-Swades

The award ceremony will be held on April 30 in NYC

ARR has previously won this award thrice

Zee Gold Bollywood International Awards (2000) Best Music: Taal 
Zee Gold Bollywood International Awards (2002) Best Music: Lagaan 
Zee Gold Bollywood International Awards (2003) Best Music: Saathiya 

The same organizers used to host another set of awards for Bollywood music. ARR 
has won 2
awards here ( now discontinued)

Zee Gold Bollywood International Music Awards (2000) Best Music: Taal
Zee Gold Bollywood International Music Awards (2000) Best Song: Taal Se Taal 
Mila


(Zee Gold is no longer associated with these awards)

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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Mr. Ahmed


"kausalya supraja rama..." from Suprabhatam in
> "Margazhi Poove..." from movie "May madham"... 

Is this a copy? Is this a lift?  My god!!! What is he
talking???

No one would have used this in the flute piece like a
intro to Marghali poove song. What a composition!!


AF Ahmed.

--- Pavana Kumar CM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
>  For your kind information I have learnt
> carnatic
> classical music and don't try to teach me.  First of
> all let me tell you one thing... Even Anjali
> Anjali...
> and Kathale en Kathale song from Duet also is based
> on
> Mandu only.  Then how come those songs are not
> similar
> to Sowkkiyama song...  Please analyze completely
> before you talk non-sense..  This is forum where one
> can express his views and if somebody has copied we
> need to agree... nobody can deny it because it is so
> evident.. 
> 
> I don't know whether ARR sat whole night to get
> inspired or not... but did he not copy the tune of
> "kausalya supraja rama..." from Suprabhatam in
> "Margazhi Poove..." from movie "May madham"... So
> why
> he has to copy that.. Because it is popular... In
> the
> same way he would have copied/lifted these tunes
> also.
> 
> If you don't agree with it so be it... the fact
> is he has lifted
> 
> 
> --- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>(which I am not
> > > sure..) is exactly the same.
> > 
> > You aren't sure but still will shoot the
> > arrow...GreatI know from where
> > you actually belong...but leave it...you are
> always
> > welcome to argue (as
> > long as some thing is yielded at the end.)
> > 
> > >>>"Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO
> > DITTO > COPY OF "Vaanathil
> > meedu mayil aada kanden...".
> > 
> > That is the face of the raaga...How do you say
> that
> > one should sing
> > Mandu...tell me?...First of all...do you know what
> > is a raaga...to put it
> > simple...in lay mans term...its a Tune
> > templateYou need to improvise on
> > that but should not go out of the boundary of the
> > template...I think you are
> > imagining that ARR..wantedly sat thru all the
> night
> > listening to MS
> > Subbulakshmi's keerthanaa and then tried to fit it
> > exactly some where in the
> > middle of a song which obviously is in Mandu raaga
> > from the beginning...Sema
> > logic paa.
> > 
> > "En veettu thottathil " the pallavi is AGMARK
> > Senchurutti RaagamThe
> > reason why it was in its AGMARK form is and
> similar
> > to "naadha vindu " is
> > because, the heroine in the film is Brahmin and
> when
> > she sings for the first
> > time, its some how should go along with her
> nativity
> > and hence the song also
> > follows senchurutti "Naadha vindhu"...here is
> where
> > ARR genius sparkles..he
> > immediately changes it into Hamsadhwani in the
> > interlued and shankara
> > bharanam in the Charanam...indicating that it is a
> > deviation in the
> > heroine's mind and he dreams about her love
> > 
> > Don't just here what some Anti - Arr has to say to
> > you and come here and
> > vomit...do some Home work first before
> > accusingFIRST THINGBE SURE of
> > what you say.
> > 
> > Bye
> > Karthik
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant
> Copy
> > of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi Karthik,
> > >
> > > If you see the place where Nityashree sings
> > > "Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO
> > DITTO
> > > COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...". 
> > There
> > > is a lot of difference between inspiration and
> > lift.
> > > I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR
> > might
> > > have classical knowledge which I don't deny but
> > most
> > > of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED..
> > Another
> > > one which I remember is "En veettu
> thottathil..." 
> > If
> > > you listen to the original version (which I am
> not
> > > sure..) is exactly the same.
> > >
> > > Rgds,
> > > Pavana Kumar C.M
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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[arr] copied

2005-03-30 Thread bhargavbhatt


if anyone has heard dhoom title music,

i suppose it may be inspired from one of the Lakeer's song. I cant recall
the
words, but it is the tune where the heroine of the film is dancing with so
many
girls and playing the basketball.

ARR played the music so so fast but the dhoom- the copied music was rather
slower than
ARR's tune.

I am not sure, i admit. I have heard that song for only once.


About copying, i dont want to say anything abt rahman, he is best, he need
not to
copy anything. God plays music by his hands...so
soulful..

~regards,
bhargava


Message: 17
   Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:08:38 -
   From: "A.M.Aravind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Anu copied from Mr. Romeo


Hi Bharat,

That is a very good find... The flute piece by Anu Malik is exactly
the same as that of ARR's Thannerai piece.
While I was listening to Rabba, I found that the 2nd BGM (shenai) also
ressembles the Shenai BGM from Tauba Tauba (Vande Mataram).

In both the cases, Anu malik has taken the same notes and increased
the speed.

Bye
Aravind
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> HI arr_friends,
>
>  somedays back i was listening rabba mere rabba song from Anu malik`s
> Muze kuch kehna hai. In that song there is piece played on flute. I
found it good and i was surprised , how anu can make this kind of
stuff but after little time my belif became misbelif when i heard
"thaneerai" from Mr. Romeo. same musical piece is ther in this song
after approx. 2 min. whole piece is exactly copied by anuwhat
a copy cat this man  is?
> what do u think guys.?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Always keep smiling & keep listening 2 gr8 music of ARR
>
> Bharatbh_AR_at
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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread narendrenreddy



there is one thing u have to LEARN!!!..the difference between 
lifted/copy and inspired..for ur information all composition of 
ilayaraja and other MDs in india are based on raags..so not 100% of 
thier tunes are original..everything is based on a template tune...
its how they package them that shows thier originality...as such, 
accusing ARR of lifting a tune and that too for a similarity of 1 to 
3 words is UTTERLY ATROCIOUS...Many of ilayaraajas classical numbers 
have a lot of inspiration from popular carnatic keerthanas...and may 
i know why that is not a lift...if u still claim its a lift...then u 
should say all the MDs in india including ilayaraaja has been 
lifting tunes from keerthanas...

 this topic 

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> Hi,
> 
> This song is a direct lift by ARR from some
> popular carnatic tamil song.  I can't remember the
> song.  Both are in Mandu raaga... Actually his
> classical numbers have a lot of inspiration from
> popular carnatic keerthanas.
> 
> The song goes like "...mayilaada kanden... "  It
> is so evident especially when you hear the 1st
> charanam...  If somebody can give the name of the song
> it will be helpful 
> 
> Rgds,
> Pavana Kumar C.M
> 
> --- Srini Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Not to forget Sowkkiymaa Kanne by Nithyasree, which
> > is a great
> > classical fast number.
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 20:26:57 -0800 (PST), Shiva
> > Kumar
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> > >  
> > >  I c sumbudy refering Sindhu Bhairavi... that was
> > a
> > >  classic...
> > >  
> > >  How about Sangamam?
> > >  
> > >  It is the only movie in which ARR has not used
> > any
> > >  electronic instruments... just pure music... a
> > new
> > >  face of carnatic music... Shankar Mahadevan's
> > Varaha
> > >  Nadikarai is an evergreen song...
> > >  
> > >  and then there is one song Margali thingal...
> > which
> > >  has Janaki madam's melodious voice (who says no
> > one
> > >  can match Lata Mangeshkar)...
> > >  
> > >  Hariharan's Mazhi thuli sangamam song in the end
> > can
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> > was
> > >  also so touching in that song (hats off to
> > >  vairamuthu)...
> > >  
> > >  i dunno if there is any kind of music which ARR
> > has
> > >  not explored... i've listened the LOTR BGM which
> > was
> > >  posted in this site a few days back... it is
> > great...
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[arr] Ab Tak 56 Deserves

2005-03-30 Thread manjunath m


hi frnds,

i might have angered many of u.

we being ARR fans, i believe, appreciate any sincere
work.  Ab Tak 56 is a brilliant piece of work .  Dont
just look at Salim-Suleimaan's background score,
consider Nana's towering performance, Shmit Amin's
thoughtful direction. 

i have not seen Meenaxi, might be the score is
unparalled as the songs are.

i know Salim-Suleimaan have made some unprecedented
comments on our Maestro, they have also lost their
steam by giving a mediocre score to Kaal.

As one of our frnd has rightly said in his previous
mails

"The lonely elephant walks majestically, and the bunch
of dogs bark."

Salim-Suleimaan have also joined the brigade of ARR
haters along with Ismail Durbar&co.

But when it comes to the background score of Ab Tak
56, their work really stands out.

waiting for ur comments and feedback.

Manu






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[arr] Vande Matram

2005-03-30 Thread bhargavbhatt


Hi 

can anyone provide me with the details of vande matram album.?

i need the informaiton in details, if any one plz give.

~regards
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[arr] RE: SANGAMAM IS IT - BLATANT COPY....

2005-03-30 Thread Aravind a.m.


Pavana,


"Suprabhatam" in Margazhi poove is a copy ???
I could not control my laughter when i read that  
ARR has used that piece to bring the mood of early
morning in to the song (this is what I think)
At this rate, u would even say that ARR has copied 
Alaipayuthe kanna ...LOL
ARR is the most original music director in India.
Understand that...

Aravind

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Re: [arr] :: dESKTOP dECORATORS ::

2005-03-30 Thread Jithin


Truly great wallpapers.Gud job mate...
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Re: [arr] ARR has nothing to prove

2005-03-30 Thread appu john



you said it buddy.you are damn right.
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How could you miss Iruvar,Narumugaye from Iruvar is one of his all time best classical.To me Rahman has got nothing to prove. He has done everything, but he continues to explore music..thatz whatamazes me listening to each and every album of his...He continues toexplore new frontiers..which other MD dared to touch. he has neverallowed himself to settle on anything..I have no reservations in saying that He has done moreexperimentations than what all other Music composers in india havedone so far (that includes IR, but lets not take away the credits fromthem too.., but no one has covered such a vast spectrum as Rahman hasdone).You just need a sensitive ear to listen to the intricacies andimprovisations that he does in each and every album.From a person who rarely listen to music, i have now grown
 up to astate where i have started to have liking for all kinds and classes ofmusic. Rahman is the one who exposed to me all musical frontiersthrough his music..Though i try to listen to other music, nothing quenches and gives acomplete fullfilling feeling like Rahmans music. There is reallysomething fullfilling about each and every composition of his. I dontknow how many of you have felt that..you can always sense of voidnessin most compositions..something that is lacking..i never seen it with Rahman.-Kicha--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Srini Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Well, ARR cannot create classical songs by himself unless script> demands it and directors want him to do it that way. But, his> innumerable classical based numbers in different films are testimony> to his prowess in this department. Here is a partial list of albums> having classical based
 numbers:> 1. Paartaale Paravasam> 2. Padayappa> 3. Gentleman> 4. Duet> 5. Bombay> 6. Kaadal Virus> 7. Kaadalan> 8. Kandukondain Kandukondain> 9. Lagaan> 10. Minsara Kanavu> 11. Alai Paayudai> 12. Sangamam> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:44:40 -, stylegamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >  > >  > >  anyone remembers Sindhu Bhairavi?,,,i think this was one of the > >  greatest carnatic songs ever created in Indian music history..one fo > >  te most spiritual works of IR.the songs radiate that divine quality..> >  So far ARR hasnt attempted anything along these lines yet...Best bet > >  will be Yelelo but its taking forever to releaseExplore, Experience, Enjoy A.R.Rahman - The Man, The Music, The Magic.Only at arrahmanfans - The
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[arr] Fire Soundtrack needed..plzzz

2005-03-30 Thread sainath85



hey,

someone help me plzz... i need fire soundtrack...

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Re: [arr] DOES ANYONE HAVE THE SONG MAYA MACHINDRA FROM HINDUSTANI

2005-03-30 Thread appu john



hey tanya,go to coolgoose.com.you might find it there or you go to uyirvani.com/forum.goodluck
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[arr] Suprabhatam

2005-03-30 Thread AKil Suvarna


hi all 
i am a silent observer in this group and die hard fan
of ARR. Good to listen to all those powerful
discussion. Last i heard jugalbandi between karthik
and pavana regarding the ragaas.

Pavana proves his point very well by giving an example
of May madham. karthik do you hav anything to say
about this?

I admit that i dont have any knowledge about the
raagas but i can very well say that the tune in may
madham had been inspired by suprabhatam.

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Re: [arr] Wake up call - Chennai A.R.R. Fans

2005-03-30 Thread Vinod Raju




You can mail me at "vinodraju2k @ yahoo . com"

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 Vinod Raju wrote :
>
>Wake up Chennai ARR Fans,
>
>Lets take the meeting plan forward, and make it happen somewhere around mid April.
>
>Already 5 people have responded positively.
>
>Others please respond unicast to this mail.
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[arr] Wake up call - Chennai A.R.R. Fans

2005-03-30 Thread Vinod Raju




  
Wake up Chennai ARR Fans,

Lets take the meeting plan forward, and make it happen somewhere around mid April.

Already 5 people have responded positively.

Others please respond unicast to this mail.
You can also reach me at my cell no. 9840165866.

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Re: [arr] What does Rahman's music mean to you?

2005-03-30 Thread Jithin


Hi all,
  Rahman's music is everything for me...I have been
just a listener in this group till now...But I think
now i shud be active and this is a good topic to start
with...
All throught the turmoils and good happenings of my
life ARR has been with me..He is equal to GOD for me
just because he makes me happy at all times..
There is something heavenly in his music..And moreover
I like the human being in him...He is so down to earth
and i have never seen him criticizing any one..He
always stands on the earth...
Nothing affects his humbleness and his simplicity and
yet he delivers good music all times..There are so
many songs of his which a non arr fan wud not have
heard..they might have heard it once and left it..But
as we all know for the first time wen u hear HIS songs
,we dont feel gr8 attachment to that but it hooks you
once you give more ears to it and then it will remain
forever..
he has something hevenly in his voice
too.Vellaipookkal, tauba tauba,only you,yeh jo des hai
tera and all reveals that heavenliness.
he is just great...
No other MD can deliver such a wide variety of
music..be it IR or any one for that matter...






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> decade and not just 
> their music, but their personalties and philosphies
> are a huge part of who I 
> am now. To me they represent the very best of
> mankind as they have proven 
> that you can achieve the highest pinnacles of human
> achievement if you work 
> with total dedication to what you belieeve in, and
> yet still remain 
> selfless, humble, and committed to the betterment of
> not one's self, but of 
> mankind. I find it very fascinating that I have
> subconsciously chosen two 
> great men from the two countries that gave birth to
> western civilization 
> (Yanni is from Greece, for those of you who don't
> know) and eastern 
> civilization; that means I have the best of both
> worlds. :)
> 
> One comment Yanni made to an audience at the
> Interlochen Center for the Arts 
>   (school for budding young musicians and other
> artists) summed up why these 
> two are in a league of their own. I will briefly
> summeriza the essence of 
> what he said. "You should never write music thinking
> I'm sad now, so I am 
> going to write sad music, or I'm happy now, so I'm
> going to write happy 
> music," he said, "you should wait until you've
> overcome the emotion you are 
> going through and write about the learning proceess
> that took place while 
> you went through the emotion." That is the essence
> of the triumph of the 
> human spirit. Have you ever felt depressed after
> listening to ARR's or 
> Yanni's songs (for his fans in this group)? I have
> never felt that way. Even 
> the melancholic songs expresses love, and never
> hatred or anger. He said 
> that although rap (as we know it in America, for
> example) is a way of 
> expressing one's anger and that iss fine, but I
> don't think the world needs 
> that kind of music." That is the beauty of their
> music, you almost always 
> feel good listening and it makes you visualize the
> most beautiful things, 
> works out your imagination and takes you places.
> Isn't that what we all 
> should expect from any kind of music?
> 
> Hail ARR!
> 
> Regards,
> Dasun
> 
> 
> 
> >From: wasim akhtar
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> >To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [arr] What does Rahman's music mean
> to you?
> >Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:55:22 +0100 (BST)
> >
> >hi ajit
> >i think i hav the same emotional feelings about
> rahman,s music,,
> >i usualy think that there is something very
> spiritual in rahman,s music 
> and his tunes dont seems to be worldly made,,there
> is something wich feels 
> like heavenly.i was totally a child of 11 when i
> listen his first tune and u 
> can,never immagine that i was stunned on my way and
> i become crazy to listen 
> from that day there is some spiritual relation of
> mine with rahman ji and 
> his music,,may god always bless our rahman jii.
> >good bye
> >wasim,
> >pakistan
> >
> >Ajit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >In some hopes of generating more in depth
> discussions, I am putting
> >forth this topic.  First of all, let me clarify
> that I not a fan of
> >exaggerating or being too mellow dramatic. 
> Rahman's music touches
> >me in ways no other musician or artist ever has.
>  Why is that?
> >Beyond the surface brilliance of his music, what
> really is the
> >essence of his music that I connect with do
> deeply?
> >
> >I respect music in all forms.  Maybe I don't
> respect some of the
> 

RE: [arr] Will Benegal use all songs without cut in BOSE

2005-03-30 Thread Sunil VG


My guess is that Benegal will not be using the songs in full. Except maybe 
"Kadam kadam" or "Hum Dilli Dilli Jaayenge". I know most of us wouldn't be 
happy to see the songs fading in and out in parts. But that's the kind of 
film Bose is. I totally trust Benegal's judgement on that. I'm just glad 
that he decided to have a soundtrack released with this film! And what a gem 
it's turned out to be. Right now I'm falling in love with the subtle piano 
work in "Des ki mitti". Note the keys accompanying Sonu from 3:54 to 4:02. 
Sometimes its these simple touches that makes a composition so brilliant. 
ARR is just getting better and better...

>From: "pravindersheoran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
>To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [arr] Will Benegal use all songs without cut in BOSE
>Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:19:56 -
>
>
>
>hi guys
>the question is, "will shyam benegal use all the songs and without cut
>in the movie bose the forgotten hero"
>
>as i remember benegal's Zubeidaa, he did not use all the songs as it
>is.
>only one or two songs were full
>
>the question is that will this thing be repeated again
>
>it will be very unfortunate if it happens because each song of BOSE is
>a gem
>
>bye
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Pavana Kumar CM


Hi,

 For your kind information I have learnt carnatic
classical music and don't try to teach me.  First of
all let me tell you one thing... Even Anjali Anjali...
and Kathale en Kathale song from Duet also is based on
Mandu only.  Then how come those songs are not similar
to Sowkkiyama song...  Please analyze completely
before you talk non-sense..  This is forum where one
can express his views and if somebody has copied we
need to agree... nobody can deny it because it is so
evident.. 

I don't know whether ARR sat whole night to get
inspired or not... but did he not copy the tune of
"kausalya supraja rama..." from Suprabhatam in
"Margazhi Poove..." from movie "May madham"... So why
he has to copy that.. Because it is popular... In the
same way he would have copied/lifted these tunes
also.

If you don't agree with it so be it... the fact is he has lifted


--- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>(which I am not
> > sure..) is exactly the same.
> 
> You aren't sure but still will shoot the
> arrow...GreatI know from where
> you actually belong...but leave it...you are always
> welcome to argue (as
> long as some thing is yielded at the end.)
> 
> >>>"Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO
> DITTO > COPY OF "Vaanathil
> meedu mayil aada kanden...".
> 
> That is the face of the raaga...How do you say that
> one should sing
> Mandu...tell me?...First of all...do you know what
> is a raaga...to put it
> simple...in lay mans term...its a Tune
> templateYou need to improvise on
> that but should not go out of the boundary of the
> template...I think you are
> imagining that ARR..wantedly sat thru all the night
> listening to MS
> Subbulakshmi's keerthanaa and then tried to fit it
> exactly some where in the
> middle of a song which obviously is in Mandu raaga
> from the beginning...Sema
> logic paa.
> 
> "En veettu thottathil " the pallavi is AGMARK
> Senchurutti RaagamThe
> reason why it was in its AGMARK form is and similar
> to "naadha vindu " is
> because, the heroine in the film is Brahmin and when
> she sings for the first
> time, its some how should go along with her nativity
> and hence the song also
> follows senchurutti "Naadha vindhu"...here is where
> ARR genius sparkles..he
> immediately changes it into Hamsadhwani in the
> interlued and shankara
> bharanam in the Charanam...indicating that it is a
> deviation in the
> heroine's mind and he dreams about her love
> 
> Don't just here what some Anti - Arr has to say to
> you and come here and
> vomit...do some Home work first before
> accusingFIRST THINGBE SURE of
> what you say.
> 
> Bye
> Karthik
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy
> of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi Karthik,
> >
> > If you see the place where Nityashree sings
> > "Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO
> DITTO
> > COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...". 
> There
> > is a lot of difference between inspiration and
> lift.
> > I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR
> might
> > have classical knowledge which I don't deny but
> most
> > of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED..
> Another
> > one which I remember is "En veettu thottathil..." 
> If
> > you listen to the original version (which I am not
> > sure..) is exactly the same.
> >
> > Rgds,
> > Pavana Kumar C.M
> >
> 
> 
> 



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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Karthik S


Thanks Ravi,

I feel that Pavana is some one who lost his caravan and accidentally got
mingled with us

Pavana, I suggest that you better try to stick to your flock of people
because, it is quite obvious from your tone that you do not belong to us...I
am not saying this because I am pained  or not able to refute you, I am
saying this because, if you continue to put in such baseless allegation and
that too on technical issue which you obviously are not SURE ABOUT, I am
sure you will be kicked out by some of the hardcore ARR fans here who cannot
tolerate B*ll Sh*t  in this forum.

Hope you take this mail positivelybecause all who have endeavored to
prove ARR wrong have resulted in Negative

Regards,
Karthik

- Original Message - 
From: "Ravi d" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!


>
> Many a time I have come across ppl saying ARR has copied or copies
> when asked where they will not b able to recollect which song. I dont
> know how to appreciate them with, bcos without knowledge of music
> though they are able to remeber ragaas. Pavan seems to be much like
> that. even when karthik has clarified so well, If he cannot agree it
> is his individual potential problem of not trying to understand. But
> rather try to be on limelight by making these kind of comments.
> pavan be clear just by one line or a bit U cannot declare it as a
> copy. If somebody say that the beats of Anbe from kadhal desam is a
> copy of Enigma it can be agreed (not sure if it was a loop that was
> been used by Enigma troop and ARR as well. But just hardly one
> sentence I think according to u one must reinvent raagas.
> Now what is that u want to prove, ARR doesnt match IR for SB. It might
> be a total folly to compare. If u think IR is unmatched go listen to
> some of the old classics in Kannada by GK Venkatesh who is also the
> guru for IR. U may have to take back thewords. Bcos I still feel that
> IR was not able to match GKV interms of his blend in harmony or melody
> at those ages. though IR got his own adv with technology later on.
>
>
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[arr] ARR has nothing to prove

2005-03-30 Thread Krishna Raj Raja



How could you miss Iruvar,

Narumugaye from Iruvar is one of his all time best classical.

To me Rahman has got nothing to prove. 

He has done everything, but he continues to explore music..thatz what
amazes me listening to each and every album of his...He continues to
explore new frontiers..which other MD dared to touch. he has never
allowed himself to settle on anything..

I have no reservations in saying that He has done more
experimentations than what all other Music composers in india have
done so far (that includes IR, but lets not take away the credits from
them too.., but no one has covered such a vast spectrum as Rahman has
done).

You just need a sensitive ear to listen to the intricacies and
improvisations that he does in each and every album.

>From a person who rarely listen to music, i have now grown up to a
state where i have started to have liking for all kinds and classes of
music. Rahman is the one who exposed to me all musical frontiers
through his music..

Though i try to listen to other music, nothing quenches and gives a
complete fullfilling feeling like Rahmans music. There is really
something fullfilling about each and every composition of his. I dont
know how many of you have felt that..you can always sense of voidness
in most compositions..something that is lacking..

i never seen it with Rahman.

-Kicha


--- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Srini Iyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Well, ARR cannot create classical songs by himself unless script
> demands it and directors want him to do it that way. But, his
> innumerable classical based numbers in different films are testimony
> to his prowess in this department. Here is a partial list of albums
> having classical based numbers:
> 1. Paartaale Paravasam
> 2. Padayappa
> 3. Gentleman
> 4. Duet
> 5. Bombay
> 6. Kaadal Virus
> 7. Kaadalan
> 8. Kandukondain Kandukondain
> 9. Lagaan
> 10. Minsara Kanavu
> 11. Alai Paayudai
> 12. Sangamam
> 
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:44:40 -, stylegamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  
> >  
> >  anyone remembers Sindhu Bhairavi?,,,i think this was one of the 
> >  greatest carnatic songs ever created in Indian music history..one fo 
> >  te most spiritual works of IR.the songs radiate that divine quality..
> >  So far ARR hasnt attempted anything along these lines yet...Best bet 
> >  will be Yelelo but its taking forever to release








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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Pavana Kumar CM


Hi Anand,
  
Though RAGA doesn't belong to anybody, it is how U
use the RAGA matters.  Each classical legend as his
own unique style of using the RAGAs.  So if Saint
Thiagaraja can use a particular raga in a style then
it doesn't necessarily mean that other Muttuswamy
Dixitar has to use the RAGA in the same way. 
Basically as somebody pointed out it is just a
template.  So somebody uses the same template then it
is a LIFT.

Pavana 

--- Anand Bharathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Hi Pavana,
> 
>   I thought that music based on classical are meant
> to be inspired, not copied. Is anyone creating new
> classical music anymore? then it should not be
> called classical. You have to expand on what you
> mean by "heavily inspired". Please be more specific.
> And we should also remember that if someone sings a
> Saint Thyagaraja composition it doe'nt mean that he
> has copied the song. In a similar vein, if different
> lyrics are sung based on a classical composition
> even if it exactly resembles the original will not
> be a copy in my books. opinions might vary.
> - Original Message - 
> From: Pavana Kumar CM 
> To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant
> Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> 
> 
> Hi Karthik,
> 
> If you see the place where Nityashree sings
> "Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO
> DITTO
> COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...". 
> There
> is a lot of difference between inspiration and
> lift. 
> I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR
> might
> have classical knowledge which I don't deny but
> most
> of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED..
> Another
> one which I remember is "En veettu
> thottathil..."  If
> you listen to the original version (which I am
> not
> sure..) is exactly the same.
> 
> Rgds,
> Pavana Kumar C.M
> 
> --- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pavana,
> > 
> > I do not appreciate your enthusiasm...because
> it is
> > misdirected...the song
> > that you are referring to here is a famous MS
> > Subbulakshmi song called
> > "Vanaththil meedhu mayil aada kanden mayil
> kuil
> > aachudhadi"...The point is
> > both the songs are based in same raaga Mandu
> and
> > hence the resemblence...The
> > song I guess is written my Paapanasam sivan
> (correct
> > me if I am wrong)...It
> > is quite famous...How can you say ARR copied
> the
> > song when all he did is use
> > the raaga...If you remember seeing TV , there
> was a
> > program in Vijay TV(Old
> > Vijay) when this film was released and Actor
> Rehman
> > was going round the city
> > and meeting people gathering opinion about the
> film
> > and the music...In one
> > instance, he stopped in front of some 3 elders
> > (senior citizens) and asked
> > about the songs..They said that till then they
> had
> > only heard ARR with only
> > electronic sounds and vessel braking noise(one
> > person mentioned it in a
> > lighter vain)...but with sangamam, ARR gave
> some
> > pure classical song with
> > out  playing around Ragaas...They specifically
> > mentioned this nithyashree's
> > song and how it satisfied hardcore carnatic
> lovers
> > like them..
> > 
> > Just for clarification purpose let me bring in
> IR
> > (here just for
> > example)...many would have heard IR's classic
> called
> > Mogamul...there is a
> > song called "Sollaayo vai thirandhu" in raaga
> > Shanmuga priya..If you listen
> > to that it will be exactly like a replica of
> > "Vilayada idhu nerama" - a
> > famous carnatic song made popular my
> Maharajapuram
> > Santhaanam...I did not
> > see any body claiming it to be a copied
> stuff...ALL
> > we need it is a little
> > bit of common sense and understanding about
> > classical music and its
> > adaptation..Certain raagas can be improvised
> and
> > certain cannot be and hence
> > one has to play it as per the strictures.
> > 
> > Hope this clarifies..
> > 
> > regards,
> > Karthik
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Pavana Kumar CM"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT -
> Blatant Copy
> > of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This song is a direct lift by ARR from
> some
> > > popular carnatic tamil song.  I can't
> remember the
> > > song.  Both are in Mandu raaga... Actually
> his
> > > classical numbers have a lot of inspiration
> from
> > > popular carnatic keerthanas.
> > >
> > > The song goes like "...mayilaada
> kanden... " 
> > It
> > > is so evident especially when you hear th

Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Ravi d

Many a time I have come across ppl saying ARR has copied or copies
when asked where they will not b able to recollect which song. I dont
know how to appreciate them with, bcos without knowledge of music
though they are able to remeber ragaas. Pavan seems to be much like
that. even when karthik has clarified so well, If he cannot agree it
is his individual potential problem of not trying to understand. But
rather try to be on limelight by making these kind of comments.
pavan be clear just by one line or a bit U cannot declare it as a
copy. If somebody say that the beats of Anbe from kadhal desam is a
copy of Enigma it can be agreed (not sure if it was a loop that was
been used by Enigma troop and ARR as well. But just hardly one
sentence I think according to u one must reinvent raagas.
Now what is that u want to prove, ARR doesnt match IR for SB. It might
be a total folly to compare. If u think IR is unmatched go listen to
some of the old classics in Kannada by GK Venkatesh who is also the
guru for IR. U may have to take back thewords. Bcos I still feel that
IR was not able to match GKV interms of his blend in harmony or melody
at those ages. though IR got his own adv with technology later on.


On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 02:15:18 -0800 (PST), Pavana Kumar CM
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Karthik,
> 
> If you see the place where Nityashree sings
> "Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO DITTO
> COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...".  There
> is a lot of difference between inspiration and lift.
> I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR might
> have classical knowledge which I don't deny but most
> of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED.. Another
> one which I remember is "En veettu thottathil..."  If
> you listen to the original version (which I am not
> sure..) is exactly the same.
> 
> Rgds,
> Pavana Kumar C.M
> 
> --- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Pavana,
> >
> > I do not appreciate your enthusiasm...because it is
> > misdirected...the song
> > that you are referring to here is a famous MS
> > Subbulakshmi song called
> > "Vanaththil meedhu mayil aada kanden mayil kuil
> > aachudhadi"...The point is
> > both the songs are based in same raaga Mandu and
> > hence the resemblence...The
> > song I guess is written my Paapanasam sivan (correct
> > me if I am wrong)...It
> > is quite famous...How can you say ARR copied the
> > song when all he did is use
> > the raaga...If you remember seeing TV , there was a
> > program in Vijay TV(Old
> > Vijay) when this film was released and Actor Rehman
> > was going round the city
> > and meeting people gathering opinion about the film
> > and the music...In one
> > instance, he stopped in front of some 3 elders
> > (senior citizens) and asked
> > about the songs..They said that till then they had
> > only heard ARR with only
> > electronic sounds and vessel braking noise(one
> > person mentioned it in a
> > lighter vain)...but with sangamam, ARR gave some
> > pure classical song with
> > out  playing around Ragaas...They specifically
> > mentioned this nithyashree's
> > song and how it satisfied hardcore carnatic lovers
> > like them..
> >
> > Just for clarification purpose let me bring in IR
> > (here just for
> > example)...many would have heard IR's classic called
> > Mogamul...there is a
> > song called "Sollaayo vai thirandhu" in raaga
> > Shanmuga priya..If you listen
> > to that it will be exactly like a replica of
> > "Vilayada idhu nerama" - a
> > famous carnatic song made popular my Maharajapuram
> > Santhaanam...I did not
> > see any body claiming it to be a copied stuff...ALL
> > we need it is a little
> > bit of common sense and understanding about
> > classical music and its
> > adaptation..Certain raagas can be improvised and
> > certain cannot be and hence
> > one has to play it as per the strictures.
> >
> > Hope this clarifies..
> >
> > regards,
> > Karthik
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy
> > of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > This song is a direct lift by ARR from some
> > > popular carnatic tamil song.  I can't remember the
> > > song.  Both are in Mandu raaga... Actually his
> > > classical numbers have a lot of inspiration from
> > > popular carnatic keerthanas.
> > >
> > > The song goes like "...mayilaada kanden... "
> > It
> > > is so evident especially when you hear the 1st
> > > charanam...  If somebody can give the name of the
> > song
> > > it will be helpful
> > >
> > > Rgds,
> > > Pavana Kumar C.M
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: [arr] The Rising promos???

2005-03-30 Thread Arijit Debnath



Channel V is showing the promos of Bose with the Azadi song.
MTV is only showing that song.
 
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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Karthik S

>>>(which I am not
> sure..) is exactly the same.

You aren't sure but still will shoot the arrow...GreatI know from where
you actually belong...but leave it...you are always welcome to argue (as
long as some thing is yielded at the end.)

>>>"Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO DITTO > COPY OF "Vaanathil
meedu mayil aada kanden...".

That is the face of the raaga...How do you say that one should sing
Mandu...tell me?...First of all...do you know what is a raaga...to put it
simple...in lay mans term...its a Tune templateYou need to improvise on
that but should not go out of the boundary of the template...I think you are
imagining that ARR..wantedly sat thru all the night listening to MS
Subbulakshmi's keerthanaa and then tried to fit it exactly some where in the
middle of a song which obviously is in Mandu raaga from the beginning...Sema
logic paa.

"En veettu thottathil " the pallavi is AGMARK Senchurutti RaagamThe
reason why it was in its AGMARK form is and similar to "naadha vindu " is
because, the heroine in the film is Brahmin and when she sings for the first
time, its some how should go along with her nativity and hence the song also
follows senchurutti "Naadha vindhu"...here is where ARR genius sparkles..he
immediately changes it into Hamsadhwani in the interlued and shankara
bharanam in the Charanam...indicating that it is a deviation in the
heroine's mind and he dreams about her love

Don't just here what some Anti - Arr has to say to you and come here and
vomit...do some Home work first before accusingFIRST THINGBE SURE of
what you say.

Bye
Karthik


- Original Message - 
From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!


>
> Hi Karthik,
>
> If you see the place where Nityashree sings
> "Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO DITTO
> COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...".  There
> is a lot of difference between inspiration and lift.
> I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR might
> have classical knowledge which I don't deny but most
> of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED.. Another
> one which I remember is "En veettu thottathil..."  If
> you listen to the original version (which I am not
> sure..) is exactly the same.
>
> Rgds,
> Pavana Kumar C.M
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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Anand Bharathan






  Hi Pavana,
   
  I thought that music based on classical are meant to be 
  inspired, not copied. Is anyone creating new classical music anymore? then it 
  should not be called classical. You have to expand on what you mean by 
  "heavily inspired". Please be more specific. And we should also remember that 
  if someone sings a Saint Thyagaraja composition it doe'nt mean that he has 
  copied the song. In a similar vein, if different lyrics are sung based on 
  a classical composition even if it exactly resembles the original will not be 
  a copy in my books. opinions might vary.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Pavana Kumar CM 
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:15 
PM
Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - 
Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!
Hi Karthik,    If you see the 
place where Nityashree sings"Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is 
DITTO DITTOCOPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...".  
Thereis a lot of difference between inspiration and lift. I would 
NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR mighthave classical 
knowledge which I don't deny but mostof his classical songs are HEAVILY 
INSPIRED.. Anotherone which I remember is "En veettu 
thottathil..."  Ifyou listen to the original version (which I am 
notsure..) is exactly the same.Rgds,Pavana Kumar 
C.M--- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> 
Pavana,> > I do not appreciate your enthusiasm...because it 
is> misdirected...the song> that you are referring to here is 
a famous MS> Subbulakshmi song called> "Vanaththil meedhu 
mayil aada kanden mayil kuil> aachudhadi"...The point is> both 
the songs are based in same raaga Mandu and> hence the 
resemblence...The> song I guess is written my Paapanasam sivan 
(correct> me if I am wrong)...It> is quite famous...How can 
you say ARR copied the> song when all he did is use> the 
raaga...If you remember seeing TV , there was a> program in Vijay 
TV(Old> Vijay) when this film was released and Actor Rehman> 
was going round the city> and meeting people gathering opinion about 
the film> and the music...In one> instance, he stopped in 
front of some 3 elders> (senior citizens) and asked> about the 
songs..They said that till then they had> only heard ARR with 
only> electronic sounds and vessel braking noise(one> person 
mentioned it in a> lighter vain)...but with sangamam, ARR gave 
some> pure classical song with> out  playing around 
Ragaas...They specifically> mentioned this nithyashree's> song 
and how it satisfied hardcore carnatic lovers> like them..> 
> Just for clarification purpose let me bring in IR> (here 
just for> example)...many would have heard IR's classic 
called> Mogamul...there is a> song called "Sollaayo vai 
thirandhu" in raaga> Shanmuga priya..If you listen> to that it 
will be exactly like a replica of> "Vilayada idhu nerama" - a> 
famous carnatic song made popular my Maharajapuram> Santhaanam...I 
did not> see any body claiming it to be a copied stuff...ALL> 
we need it is a little> bit of common sense and understanding 
about> classical music and its> adaptation..Certain raagas can 
be improvised and> certain cannot be and hence> one has to 
play it as per the strictures.> > Hope this 
clarifies..> > regards,> Karthik> > - 
Original Message - > From: "Pavana Kumar CM" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 
10:07 AM> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant 
Copy> of Sowkkiyama song!!!> > > >> 
> Hi,> >> > This song is a 
direct lift by ARR from some> > popular carnatic tamil song.  
I can't remember the> > song.  Both are in Mandu raaga... 
Actually his> > classical numbers have a lot of inspiration 
from> > popular carnatic keerthanas.> >> 
> The song goes like "...mayilaada kanden... " 
> It> > is so evident especially when you hear the 
1st> > charanam...  If somebody can give the name of 
the> song> > it will be helpful> >> > 
Rgds,> > Pavana Kumar C.M> >> > > 
    
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Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!!

2005-03-30 Thread Pavana Kumar CM

Hi Karthik,

If you see the place where Nityashree sings
"Suriyan vanthu vaa enum pothu..." it is DITTO DITTO
COPY OF "Vaanathil meedu mayil aada kanden...".  There
is a lot of difference between inspiration and lift. 
I would NOT AGREE with you in this regard.  ARR might
have classical knowledge which I don't deny but most
of his classical songs are HEAVILY INSPIRED.. Another
one which I remember is "En veettu thottathil..."  If
you listen to the original version (which I am not
sure..) is exactly the same.

Rgds,
Pavana Kumar C.M

--- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pavana,
> 
> I do not appreciate your enthusiasm...because it is
> misdirected...the song
> that you are referring to here is a famous MS
> Subbulakshmi song called
> "Vanaththil meedhu mayil aada kanden mayil kuil
> aachudhadi"...The point is
> both the songs are based in same raaga Mandu and
> hence the resemblence...The
> song I guess is written my Paapanasam sivan (correct
> me if I am wrong)...It
> is quite famous...How can you say ARR copied the
> song when all he did is use
> the raaga...If you remember seeing TV , there was a
> program in Vijay TV(Old
> Vijay) when this film was released and Actor Rehman
> was going round the city
> and meeting people gathering opinion about the film
> and the music...In one
> instance, he stopped in front of some 3 elders
> (senior citizens) and asked
> about the songs..They said that till then they had
> only heard ARR with only
> electronic sounds and vessel braking noise(one
> person mentioned it in a
> lighter vain)...but with sangamam, ARR gave some
> pure classical song with
> out  playing around Ragaas...They specifically
> mentioned this nithyashree's
> song and how it satisfied hardcore carnatic lovers
> like them..
> 
> Just for clarification purpose let me bring in IR
> (here just for
> example)...many would have heard IR's classic called
> Mogamul...there is a
> song called "Sollaayo vai thirandhu" in raaga
> Shanmuga priya..If you listen
> to that it will be exactly like a replica of
> "Vilayada idhu nerama" - a
> famous carnatic song made popular my Maharajapuram
> Santhaanam...I did not
> see any body claiming it to be a copied stuff...ALL
> we need it is a little
> bit of common sense and understanding about
> classical music and its
> adaptation..Certain raagas can be improvised and
> certain cannot be and hence
> one has to play it as per the strictures.
> 
> Hope this clarifies..
> 
> regards,
> Karthik
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT - Blatant Copy
> of Sowkkiyama song!!!
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This song is a direct lift by ARR from some
> > popular carnatic tamil song.  I can't remember the
> > song.  Both are in Mandu raaga... Actually his
> > classical numbers have a lot of inspiration from
> > popular carnatic keerthanas.
> >
> > The song goes like "...mayilaada kanden... " 
> It
> > is so evident especially when you hear the 1st
> > charanam...  If somebody can give the name of the
> song
> > it will be helpful
> >
> > Rgds,
> > Pavana Kumar C.M
> >
> 
> 
> 



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[arr] Anthem

2005-03-30 Thread Krishna Kristam



http://www.indembassy-lisbon.org/uk/ind_cp_india.html

just go to the link and try to download the National Anthem from the link.
You shall be able to download the Anthem composed by our ARR. 

Its great that our ARR's version of National Anthem features in the site of
Indian Embassy..

Cheers,
KK


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[arr] Fwd: Reminder : Bangalore - Rahman Fans Meet

2005-03-30 Thread Arun KB Ganesh

Hi All,

I was away to my hometown, so had no access to mails.

Bangalore Meet - Finalised for April 2nd, Saturday.
Venue : Coffee World, Courtyard of Mota Arcade, Brigade Road
Time - 3 PM 

People who have already confirmed their participation, please respond
by mail and let me or Gopal know if the time is fine.

My phone number is not active at the moment, will be active in 2 days.

Any more fans interested to join, can still mail and inform Gopal or myself.

Cheers,
Arun



-- Forwarded message --
From: Arun KB Ganesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:29:08 +
Subject: Reminder : Bangalore - Rahman Fans Meet
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com


Hi All,

Reg : Bangalore ARR Fans Meet

10 people have responded to me and Gopal till now.

Tentative Venue : Coffee World, Courtyard of Mota Arcade, Brigade Road
(Suggestions for a better place are welcome).
Tentative Date : April 1 & 2

April 1 might cause inconvenience to some people who might have to
stay back in office until late night. I am one of them.

Whoever wants to join us, are still welcome to send in their mails to
Gopal or myself.

My cell number is 98456 00209.

Whoever is interested to join us, please let us know latest by March
31st (the fans who have already responded, please ignore this)

Gopal ! Thanks for your help !

Take care All !!

Cheers,
Arun

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From: Arun KB Ganesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:14:27 +
Subject: Bangalore : Rahman Fans Meet
To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com

Hi,

Rahmanfans in Bangalore,

I am Arun, a Rahmanfan in Bangalore.

How about having a meeting of Rahmanfans here in Bangalore?  It would
be great to meet up, and maybe, we all can make this club a big one
before the Bangalore concert.

All those, who would be interested to join, please respond.
We will decide on date & venue after seeing the number of responses.

Cheers,
Arun


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