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Pls anyone can take this to ARR . --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com wrote: From: Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:39 PM I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor am I interested in doing it. I believed (I still do) that this is a very valid point I was discussing on, else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while attending to my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital. Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period. Let me make my intentions very clear, yet again - I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I can't help it. I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on, since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to stop this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing this. I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which does not help serve the purpose of this discussion. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae wrote: Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks From: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on vocals which I think is not the case. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, compare the sound quality - they sound tight (if I call it in a studio language). I
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
There is no need to take it to him... he must be aware of all these... he must be reading all the hot discussions going on here On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM, riyaz ahamed riyaz_...@yahoo.com wrote: Pls anyone can take this to ARR . --- On *Mon, 9/14/09, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:39 PM I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor am I interested in doing it. I believed (I still do) that this is a *very* valid point I was discussing on, else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while attending to my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital. Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period. Let me make my intentions very clear, *yet again* - I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I can't help it. I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on, since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to stop this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing this. I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which does not help serve the purpose of this discussion. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.aehttp://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=an...@tmh.ae wrote: Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks *From:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com[mailto:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Arun KB Ganesh *Sent:* 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. comhttp://us.mc1107.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff
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are you sure? i wonder with his schedule will he read all these. but ya this is the REAL voice of the people right from the consumers. I wonder if he does read or is briefed. that wud be great. Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com From: Vithur vith...@gmail.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, 15 September, 2009 3:19:31 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed There is no need to take it to him... he must be aware of all these... he must be reading all the hot discussions going on here On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM, riyaz ahamed riyaz_...@yahoo. com wrote: Pls anyone can take this to ARR . --- On Mon, 9/14/09, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail. com wrote: From: Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail. com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 10:39 PM I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor am I interested in doing it. I believed (I still do) that this is a very valid point I was discussing on, else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while attending to my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital. Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period. Let me make my intentions very clear, yet again - I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I can't help it. I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on, since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to stop this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing this. I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which does not help serve the purpose of this discussion. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae wrote: Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks From:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
I am not a prophet to predict anyone's doom if things are not set right. Nor am I interested in doing it. I believed (I still do) that this is a *very* valid point I was discussing on, else I would not have made the time out to write my posts while attending to my unwell daughter admitted to the hospital. Having said that, the sound aspect has been something that has been haunting me for quite sometime, and with Blue, this HAD to be brought out, period. Let me make my intentions very clear, *yet again* - I love ARR.. and I dont want another music director's sound quality to be ahead of his. If that emotion of mine is making me sound like predicting his doom (even though that was not my intention, not in my wildest dreams), I can't help it. I didnt start this discussion to debate - be it with a person or with a group. Disagreements are bound to happen, I do accept them and I move on, since it is a person's opinion and I respect it. But, I do not intend to stop this discussion just because a person is not interested in discussing this. I had to write this coz people here started taking it too personally - which does not help serve the purpose of this discussion. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae wrote: Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks *From:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Arun KB Ganesh *Sent:* 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on vocals which I think is not the case. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, compare the sound quality - they sound *tight* (if I call it in a studio language). I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... : RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness
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On 9/13/2009 4:17 AM India Time, _ichord_ wrote: If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? This is subjective and whether you think it's pleasant or not, is up to you. I'm not contradicting myself. I don't sense any hiss at all. To me, it doesn't bother. Look man, you have your opinions and I have mine. You have your ears and I have mine. It just comes down to perception in this case. Let's leave this to rest. I really don't want to discuss this further. Everything is subjective for someone. Sun is stationary and it is earth that moves around that but still we all humans say sun is rising and sun is setting because that's what we see happening with our own eyes while we don't feel the movement of our own earth. Thus, when someone says something, it is always his personal opinion, whether he explicitly mentions this disclaimer or not. Still, if we believe that we are and claim to be behaving in a civilized manner, we have to listen and think over what others are saying, even if that is a minority of one. We should not just go on speaking endlessly same and same things. This is a list (any list is) of learned persons and is not an echo point where one can expect and demand that whatever you are saying will be echoed back by other persons. All this you have your opinions and I have mine. You have your ears and I have mine. is a very irresponsible sort of behavior, I feel. It is like shrugging away the responsibility for what one has written. One wrote something and when somebody else doesn't agree with that, the original writer saying that he doesn't bother about what others might say, is not a civilized way of communication. Here we are to interact. If we have just to express ourselves, we can do in the seclusion of our room . Here we are writing to a group of 15000 living humans and they read what we write and they get opinions about that. And when they reply, are we entitled to say that I don't care for what you thought on what I wrote. We have to be ready to discuss, explain, talk about what we wrote earlier. We are obliged to read the replies on our posts, we are bound to answer queries and acknowledge differences of opinion on our mails. Anyone not doing this is believing that here he has got a captive audience on which he can practice his writing skills and review skills and analysing skills without taking any responsibility of it. -- Rawat
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Arun, I don't post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person - a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss's music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks From: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com [mailto:arrahmanf...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on vocals which I think is not the case. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, compare the sound quality - they sound tight (if I call it in a studio language). I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... : RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness issue so how can loudness in BLUE be a problem from the music company's end? I feel it is not. As a musician singer myself, I really really trust my ears when it comes to sound quality. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, ichord purev...@yahoo.com wrote: There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can understand. Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. --- In arrahmanfans
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Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV From: Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM Subject: RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks From:arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfan s...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Arun KB Ganesh Sent: 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Note - Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of 'maybe a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing
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That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers in them than Blue. Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise*. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have issues with my ears. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo.com wrote: Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV -- *From:* Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his detractors into fans, so I feel (my personal opinion) this doomsday scenario is not warranted. thanks *From:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:arrahmanfan s...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Arun KB Ganesh *Sent:* 13 September, 2009 12:50 AM *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha Akbar esp Azeem O Shaan? What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue what albums were you unhappy with? I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being my favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example From: Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers in them than Blue. Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.Sound Wise. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have issues with my ears. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo. com wrote: Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV From: Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM Subject: RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album (as a result of his creativity), I would personally go for the latter because there is so much to discover in our boss’s music. Just my take. Am no technical expert like some of the others here. With every album and time, ARR is only seeming to go from strength to strength turning even his
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
Prasad, I had major issues with the following songs, Azaadi- Bose Jaage Hain- Guru In Lamhon Ke Daman mein- Jodha Akbar I loved SDM too ( international release). Azeem O Shaan was good too, so were JTYJN and Ada was as good. Ghajini was average with blue getting worse. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo.com wrote: I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha Akbar esp Azeem O Shaan? What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue what albums were you unhappy with? I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being my favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example -- *From:* Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers in them than Blue. Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have issues with my ears. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo. comsvspva...@yahoo.com wrote: Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV -- *From:* Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
yes gomzi. I agree. Even i voiced a similar opinion few days ago. But on second thought i think we should compare sound quality and loudness with productions made when the CD generation took off.In the sense, Dil Se and before the mix suited cassette distribution, as in cassettes sold more than CD. Post Taal i think CDs really started to take off and future mixes accommodated the dynamic range that CDs provided. In those days cassettes used to sound louder then CDs. And CDs clearer. Now everything is messy, CDs everywhere and each one competing to be with more Oomp. There could be a business reason for Blue sounding the way it ( which is good, not the rahman best). Its a all out commercial album sitting next to similar genre of films. Rahman brand can make it fly off initially, but if the thump is missing then DJs wont play it naturally without mixing or wont become a party playlist. So i am ok with it.If Chiggy Wiggy has to be played in nightclubs then it has to sound the way it does now. Loud!! But lookin at it purely from a production standpoint its simple 1. Great production 2. Cool music 3. Can sound better...loudness is not the answer. sorry folks some of you are irritated with me i know. Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com From: Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 13 September, 2009 9:10:30 PM Subject: Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers in them than Blue. Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.Sound Wise. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have issues with my ears. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo. com wrote: Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before.. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV From: Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM Subject: RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
Some interesting discussion this. I hope Gopal/Vijay summarize this inform AR to see if he has to say something about this (that is is ARR himself by some fluke has not read this chain already) -A On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:18 PM, wiredbeats wiredbe...@yahoo.co.in wrote: yes gomzi. I agree. Even i voiced a similar opinion few days ago. But on second thought i think we should compare sound quality and loudness with productions made when the CD generation took off. In the sense, Dil Se and before the mix suited cassette distribution, as in cassettes sold more than CD. Post Taal i think CDs really started to take off and future mixes accommodated the dynamic range that CDs provided. In those days cassettes used to sound louder then CDs. And CDs clearer. Now everything is messy, CDs everywhere and each one competing to be with more Oomp. There could be a business reason for Blue sounding the way it ( which is good, not the rahman best). Its a all out commercial album sitting next to similar genre of films. Rahman brand can make it fly off initially, but if the thump is missing then DJs wont play it naturally without mixing or wont become a party playlist. So i am ok with it.If Chiggy Wiggy has to be played in nightclubs then it has to sound the way it does now. Loud!! But lookin at it purely from a production standpoint its simple 1. Great production 2. Cool music 3. Can sound better...loudness is not the answer. sorry folks some of you are irritated with me i know. Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com http://www.wiredbeats.com/ -- *From:* Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, 13 September, 2009 9:10:30 PM *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers in them than Blue. Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have issues with my ears. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo. comsvspva...@yahoo.com wrote: Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV -- *From:* Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
All these issues abt Sound Quality would be answered soon.. I believe all future ARR releases would satisfy everyone here... ( Inshallah ) On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo.com wrote: I see where you are coming from. Just curious, were you happy with Jodha Akbar esp Azeem O Shaan? What recent album were you happy with wrt sound? Likewise other than Blue what albums were you unhappy with? I am pretty happy with all his albums beginning with JTYJN with SDM being my favorite from a sound perspective, the track Riots being a good example -- *From:* Gomzy™ gomtesh.upad...@gmail.com *To:* arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 10:40:30 AM *Subject:* Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed That is exactly what Arun and some of us are trying to say ! This is not the first time that ARR is using multi layers of orchestration. Take a Dil Se or Taal or WOHE. Why arent these soundtracks loud? I am sure these had more layers in them than Blue. Take the Dil Se song, and compare it with Aaj Dil Gustaka hai.* Sound Wise *. Please tell me if the audio clarity with each instrument distinctly audible is possible with aaj dil gustaka hai. Again sound quality wise.If yes, then i have issues with my ears. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Prasad Varma svspva...@yahoo. comsvspva...@yahoo.com wrote: Anand, You have hit the nail on the head when it comes to multi layering. I did refer to specific sections of the soundtrack that had fewer layers that sounded crystal clear in my earlier mail to highlight this point. I think there are a few members who do not like the 'busy' flavor of the album which is perfectly justified. Also for my untrained ear, it feels that AR moved away from the Treble rich digital sound of the 90s towards a more warm, bass friendly analogish sound in the 2000s. For example you do not hear the sound of En Swaasa Katrea or Kabhi Na Kabhi any more. There have been several posts on this forum lamenting that AR does not make music like he used to before. Now, a decade is a long time when it comes to technology, AR overhauled his studio equipment too and more importantly he always strives to innovate. Plus his programmers have been changing and they do contribute to the sound. Sometimes these changes may be to our personal preference aand sometimes they are not. I personally was not fully appreciative of his sound in the early 2000s including Yuva and right up to Rang De Basanti especially with his Rhythm section. It all changed for me with the vibrant and youthful guitar strumming of Kabhi Kabhi Aditi. From the promos of Blue, one gets an impression that they are positioning this film as a sophisticated and slick thriller. I think Blue spent a lot of time in Post production if one can borrow that phrase and the umpteen vocoder effects and distorted guitar sounds point in that direction. There are very few sections of the soundtrack (Yaar Mila Tha) that are not heavily made up and tweaked. Given the fact that this is AR's first release post academy awards and from his own rare liner notes about expectations, I'd find it extremely hard to imagine that AR would let shoddy and inferior recordings pass muster. If the sound is not likable that is another story... :-) :-) PV -- *From:* Anand Bharathan an...@tmh.ae *To:* arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:09:25 AM *Subject:* RE: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed Arun, I don’t post much but could not help here after noticing a slight unpleasantness in the tone of your mail. You are sounding as if ARR is doomed in the future if he does not take care of this sound aspect. I personally feel ARR is completely aware of what he and his team of sound engineers are doing because we know him to be that kind of person – a perfectionist to the core. And I think he has enormous clout with the production companies that all he has to do is just talk with them if he feels they are messing up with his music. I agree about the loudness (could be because of these so called loudness wars) and a lot of times where the orchestration is not clear but probably that is due to the massive amount of layering and the instrumentation he does than to do with any shortcomings on the part of his team or the mastering company. It is probably a nightmare for his sound engineers to highlight each and every instrument and the complex layering that he does in his music. I do agree with your observation about Dostana and Bacchna being clearer but that is probably due to the absence of any complex layering that you would find in a ARR song. Now given a choice between a straight forward album of other music MDs (which does not grow with every listening) or a slightly muddled up ARR album
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference between the 2 ?! The music may have intricate layering complicate complex chord progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it may be too late. ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way ahead of him in terms of *SOUND QUALITY (Mind you, I am NOT talking about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music the sounds used (again, not the sound quality). * I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com wrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different programmers engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been various programmers engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end result used to be tremendous. I don't know why the difference now. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can understand. Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference between the 2 ?! The music may have intricate layering complicate complex chord progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it may be too late. ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way ahead of him in terms of *SOUND QUALITY (Mind you, I am NOT talking about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music the sounds used (again, not the sound quality). * I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different programmers engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been various programmers engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end result used to be tremendous. I don't know why the difference now. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
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Yes iCHORD your way of putting things is valid. We are NOT complaining his composition/programing etc. We are only discussing the loudness which at times is effecting some portions of the tracks and in this album it is very evident. Somebody had issues with my explanation of 5.1/7.1 systems I mentioned them only because if a CD is sounding bad first check your settings. If its booming check your woofer position, mostly that is the bad apple. If your settings are fine and the CD still sounds only 'satisfactory' then its the CD material. Not the composer, not the engineer, not even the studio master. It is in most cases the music company that replicates. No one is complaining on the songs. They are super cool no doubt. Whatever, Blue theme does not sound as good say decoit duel from WOHE. That was quite a heavy compositon. Again good compositions/productions. Get the difference? Good discussion!! regards Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com From: ichord purev...@yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 12 September, 2009 6:25:00 PM Subject: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can understand. Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference between the 2 ?! The music may have intricate layering complicate complex chord progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it may be too late. ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way ahead of him in terms of *SOUND QUALITY (Mind you, I am NOT talking about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music the sounds used (again, not the sound quality). * I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different programmers engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been various programmers engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end result used to be tremendous. I don't know why the difference now. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD
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I agree with all you who say the sound quality is mediocre . But do we have to worry ? ? In Rolling Stone interview Rahman told to Bhardwaj Rangan : * At that time **(Roja)**, that sound was just mine. Now people are sharing that sound. So to do something is not just about a different sound anymore.** Also, during Roja, it was just stereo. “Now we need to think about 5.1, DTS, what comes out of this speaker, what comes out of that speaker – and still hold the song together. * * * * http://www.desipundit.com/baradwajrangan/2008/06/07/ar-rahman-the-rolling-stone-interview/ * That means since now everyone is sharing that sound we are feeling the sound is mediocre . Also since all are sharing that sound , there is no need to make extra effort on sounds because whatever happens the sound is going to be shared by everyone . Just my opinion . I hope the moderator posts this . On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 12:21 AM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com wrote: Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference between the 2 ?! The music may have intricate layering complicate complex chord progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it may be too late. ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way ahead of him in terms of *SOUND QUALITY (Mind you, I am NOT talking about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music the sounds used (again, not the sound quality). * I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.comwrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound* for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different programmers engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been various programmers engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end result used to be tremendous. I don't know why the difference now. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.comwrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
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*Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on vocals which I think is not the case. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, compare the sound quality - they sound *tight* (if I call it in a studio language). I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... : RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness issue so how can loudness in BLUE be a problem from the music company's end? I feel it is not. As a musician singer myself, I really really trust my ears when it comes to sound quality. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, ichord purev...@yahoo.com wrote: There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can understand. Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference between the 2 ?! The music may have intricate layering complicate complex chord progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it may be too late. ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way ahead of him in terms of *SOUND QUALITY (Mind you, I am NOT talking about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music the sounds used (again, not the sound quality). * I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? This is subjective and whether you think it's pleasant or not, is up to you. I'm not contradicting myself. I don't sense any hiss at all. To me, it doesn't bother. Look man, you have your opinions and I have mine. You have your ears and I have mine. It just comes down to perception in this case. Let's leave this to rest. I really don't want to discuss this further. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: *Note *- Dear ARR, If you are reading this - This mail is not intended to hurt you or your team. Nor is this any kind of advice.. it is a plea from a member of this group since 2000, I have reasons to say all these bluntly - I really wish you take note. You are the best judge when it comes to sound and to decide on the next steps if you see a problem. I am highlighting these so that these problems can be corrected, before it is too late. Sorry if I sound odd ! Sorry Chord, this discussion is back to Square 1. With all due respect - You are contradicting yourself when you acknowledge of '*maybe *a highly processed electronic sounds, esp vocals', is bothering me. If a highly processed vocals is making a song sound hissy, whats so pleasant in hearing it? In other words, what you said may be true - only if ARR's sound engineers are re-inventing themselves when working with him, trying out new stuff on vocals which I think is not the case. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. I had mentioned this point on another mail thread - About the sound quality of other MDs - give 'Dostana' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' a listen, compare the sound quality - they sound *tight* (if I call it in a studio language). I will still stand by my statement that as of today, ARR albums sound quality is not on par with other MDs .. to be precise, it all started with Rang De Basanti. Oh, by the way ... : RDB was not released by T-Series... It had a loudness issue Delhi-6 was by T-Series - it didnt have a loudness issue so how can loudness in BLUE be a problem from the music company's end? I feel it is not. As a musician singer myself, I really really trust my ears when it comes to sound quality. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, ichord purev...@... wrote: There are sound issues in this album at times due to loudness, which I concede, but that does not make the overall sound quality mediocre. And being able to discern complex layering of music tracks clearly is very relevant to the discussion of sound. What may be bothering you is the highly processed electronic sounds in this album, esp, in the vocals, which I can understand. Trust me, I understand the difference between sound and music and a discussion of one is relevant to the discussion of another, because without good sound quality, I and many others would not be able to enjoy the distinct and complex musical layers that he has gifted in this crafty album. I also disagree with you that AR's contemporaries are way of ahead of him in terms of sound quality. I listen to various CDs of different composers, and I find AR's albums to be as competent in terms of sound quality as theirs. Mean no disrespect to your opinions and hope we can continue to discuss and maybe even disagree without being disagreeable. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergusee@ wrote: Surprising - A discussion about the sound quality of this album, turned into a music review ??? Guess some people don't seem to understand the difference between the 2 ?! The music may have intricate layering complicate complex chord progressions etc etc ... , whatever be the case, the final sound quality of this album is *mediocre*. What matters is what the end-user gets to hear .. It may be the music company or it may be the studio master at fault - whoever it may be, things HAS to be set right at some point. If not now, it may be too late. ARR revolutionised sound of Indian music, but as of today, others are way ahead of him in terms of *SOUND QUALITY (Mind you, I am NOT talking about the music. ARR stands way ahead of others with respect to music the sounds used (again, not the sound quality). * I am willing to explain it again, if people dont understand. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergusee@ wrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
I don't hear one bit of clashing and the clarity is just fine for me. And I'm picky about these things! The difference between Blue and other ARR albums is that ARR has kicked up a notch with sound. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, dreamspringmelodies dreamspringmelod...@... wrote: Better mixing could have increased the clarity of individual layers and prevent the vocals from clashing with instrument sounds [frequencies]. Too much compression is an irritant to our ears. There is a different between blue and other albums of arr. Hope he stick on to the same people for mixing and mastering for future albums K. M. Ameer
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No one can replace Sridharji. Thats verymuch evident in Blue. On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 07:15:43 +0530 wrote Better mixing could have increased the clarity of individual layers and prevent the vocals from clashing with instrument sounds [frequencies]. Too much compression is an irritant to our ears. There is a different between blue and other albums of arr. Hope he stick on to the same people for mixing and mastering for future albums K. M. Ameer
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
I find, too much of music in each song and sometimes its jarring !!! generally i keep listening the album atleast 10-15 times in a loop. With BLUE i cant go past 2-3 times. sundar. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, dreamspringmelodies dreamspringmelod...@... wrote: Better mixing could have increased the clarity of individual layers and prevent the vocals from clashing with instrument sounds [frequencies]. Too much compression is an irritant to our ears. There is a different between blue and other albums of arr. Hope he stick on to the same people for mixing and mastering for future albums K. M. Ameer
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
I really find it hard to believe, im perplex about this audio quality issue. I have average audio systems , No BOSE or JBL / Harman Kardon.. but still im finding so much sound quality in BLUE cd... Cant find the reason for sudden reaction of some members. My guess is that Music distributors are playing tricks with us. I remember for D6 I got a package where the mirror was nothing but a carton coated with glossy paper. And now for BLUE the T-Series logo is BLUE and not the normal red. Niven --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, s_sundarr_2000 s_sundarr_2...@... wrote: I find, too much of music in each song and sometimes its jarring !!! generally i keep listening the album atleast 10-15 times in a loop. With BLUE i cant go past 2-3 times. sundar. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, dreamspringmelodies dreamspringmelodies@ wrote: Better mixing could have increased the clarity of individual layers and prevent the vocals from clashing with instrument sounds [frequencies]. Too much compression is an irritant to our ears. There is a different between blue and other albums of arr. Hope he stick on to the same people for mixing and mastering for future albums K. M. Ameer
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
*Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different programmers engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been various programmers engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end result used to be tremendous. I don't know why the difference now. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@gmail.com wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
Arun, I think your use of the word pathetic scared me, thus thinking AR would be hurt or offended if he read that. I understand you are interested in good discussion and that you never meant to sound offensive. Hope you can enjoy Blue's music despite what you feel as bad audio. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: *Clarification : ** * *After all the effort ARR has put in to create these songs, he (more than all of us put together) certainly would not want the sound quality to be mediocre. As a person who adores the person and his music, I felt it was my duty to post my thoughts in the group - if ARR reads this, I would be really glad.. so that he can look into the problems and fix the shortcomings. * **My intention was not to hurt ARR or his team by the below email. I never said the songs are not good, nor the sounds used in the song - I am in no way eligible to comment on that. Since I am so much used to an *ARR sound*for years, I could certainly feel the difference here. I was only feeling bad about the 'sound quality' the album Blue has. Like Gomz pointed out, it is true each song in this album has a different sound quality. Could be because each song are assigned to different programmers engineers. That being said, in the past too, there have been various programmers engineers who have worked on his songs - but the end result used to be tremendous. I don't know why the difference now. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
I don't know about you guys but I'm hearing a low clicking sound throughout the album. I do not have the original CD yet (it hasn't crossed the BLUE oceans to the States side yet). But the mp3's I have are of 320k quality, the sound is loud and vibrant. But before I could comment on the sound, I can't help but notice the clicking sound in the songs. The instruments are drowning the clicking, but it's there. Anybody else have this experience? I really really hope it's the ripper induced sound. I'm going to be really disappointed if it's there in the original CD. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
No CD is fine. But loud! Remixes I Originals I Opinions at http://www.wiredbeats.com From: kaissiom kaiss...@yahoo.com To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, 11 September, 2009 1:40:52 AM Subject: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed I don't know about you guys but I'm hearing a low clicking sound throughout the album. I do not have the original CD yet (it hasn't crossed the BLUE oceans to the States side yet). But the mp3's I have are of 320k quality, the sound is loud and vibrant. But before I could comment on the sound, I can't help but notice the clicking sound in the songs. The instruments are drowning the clicking, but it's there. Anybody else have this experience? I really really hope it's the ripper induced sound. I'm going to be really disappointed if it's there in the original CD. --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here. Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore
Re: [arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
Hey Wasim, In the net currently two types of Blue CD available (pirated)...one is 320k an the other 192k I think there are lots of problems in the 320k but 192k seems to be ripped off from original CD and sounding better I'm yet to get the original CD though... Arijit 2009/9/10 kaissiom kaiss...@yahoo.com I don't know about you guys but I'm hearing a low clicking sound throughout the album. I do not have the original CD yet (it hasn't crossed the BLUE oceans to the States side yet). But the mp3's I have are of 320k quality, the sound is loud and vibrant. But before I could comment on the sound, I can't help but notice the clicking sound in the songs. The instruments are drowning the clicking, but it's there. Anybody else have this experience? I really really hope it's the ripper induced sound. I'm going to be really disappointed if it's there in the original CD. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com, Arun KB Ganesh ergu...@... wrote: One of the reasons for me to appreciate AR's music *was* the superb quality his songs had - i am referring to the 'sound' quality. Off late, I have felt that his songs were lacking the clarity it had. One of the most beautiful songs in a major album this year had an error, which was pointed out in this forum was acknowledged by his team too (not in this forum). I am not sure if it is the Sound Engineers or the programmers. The 'sound' of Blue in the *CD* is, in fact, pathetic. It more sounds like a studio version (work in progress) - unclear vocals, boomy sounds for chiggy wiggy (which is muffling the instrument before Sonu starts singing). The vocals are extremely bad Not sure if it is a problem in the final mix/mastering or a problem @ T-Series. I am disturbed because of this trend, and more worried coz things are not being set right. With every album, I have hoped the sound would be 'better'. but it has never been. Is ARR not looking into the final product? I dont think so, 'coz the beauty of the sound is compromised on. And I am not in for a debate here.
[arr] Re: 'Blue' Sound/Audio Quality - Dissapointed
Better mixing could have increased the clarity of individual layers and prevent the vocals from clashing with instrument sounds [frequencies]. Too much compression is an irritant to our ears. There is a different between blue and other albums of arr. Hope he stick on to the same people for mixing and mastering for future albums K. M. Ameer
