Re: 2008 User World

[Rick Cook]

Well, that would keep people IN the conference.  Houston weather would be a
repeat of  Orlando.  Only possibly hotter.

Rick

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Sanford, Claire <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I vote for Houston.  Sure I won't be able to get away from home, but it is
> where BMC lives and I am sure I would be able to attend.
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) on behalf of Kelly
> Deaver
> Sent: Fri 9/26/2008 7:12 AM
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>
>
> **
> If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest they do
> what my boss did years ago
> for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I planned to
> attend. I had to bring back
> a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of what each
> vendor in the expo did
> and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell if I'd
> have just copied some stuff
> from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to him)
>
> BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no promises
> but I feel your pain.
>
> Kelly Deaver
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Re: 2008 User World

[Sanford, Claire]

I vote for Houston.  Sure I won't be able to get away from home, but it is 
where BMC lives and I am sure I would be able to attend.  
 
 



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Sent: Fri 9/26/2008 7:12 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest they do what 
my boss did years ago
for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I planned to 
attend. I had to bring back 
a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of what each 
vendor in the expo did 
and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell if I'd have 
just copied some stuff 
from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to him)
 
BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no promises but 
I feel your pain.
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the 
official opinion of BMC)
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Re: 2008 User World

[strauss]

Serious stuff here - I hope BMC is reading it.

When I told my boss that UserWorld may be in Las Vegas next year, he observed 
that the hotel and airfare costs are usually lower there, which is why so many 
other IT conferences that we send people to are also located there.  Hey, he 
could probably send more of us (or he might go with us again) if it's cheaper, 
but the conference fees can still be a killer.  It made a difference last year 
when the university moved accounting for conference costs from the M&O budget 
to the travel budget without moving any $$$ to match. Suddenly the cost of the 
conference fee became a big issue. Matt's comments below are very interesting 
in that light.

Christopher Strauss, Ph.D.
Call Tracking Administration Manager
University of North Texas Computing & IT Center
http://itsm.unt.edu/

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Carey Matthew Black
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:50 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

All,

If we (customers) are trying to "watch the bottom line" then why not
use the User Group conference as a "loss leader"? Total price ( ROI )
is always a consideration for a smart company. ( I think both
companies, BMC and the customer, can win on a conference.)


BMC could do something like:

Give every attendee _one_ "free" AR System Fixed (or maybe optional
Float) license. (NOTE: To be added to your current support contract
and all normal renewal fees applied at your next renewal.) With maybe
a cap of "N" per year per "Support Contract"/"Customer Company".
Or...
If BMC wants to push a given product (Example: Non-AR System), then
give away "1 year free use license" to all attendees. (Returnable at
no cost, at any time during the first year, but you have to purchase
it at the end of the year if you want to keep using it.)
Or...
Lower the customer cost to attend the conference and make the price of
the hotel room much greater than the "cover charge at the door" for
the conference.

Those are all tried and true "loss leader" marketing techniques.
For software companies the cost of generating a license is very low.
(It is just data. It could also likely be done with the existing PO
process if a special "BMCUW2008" PO number was introduced for the
customer who attended. It could all be "self service" to generate the
key just like they purchased the product.) BMC might even be able to
get a "advertising" write off for the market purchase value of the
license in their taxes as a business expense too. Sure they do not get
the initial purchase cash from the license. (and does BMC really need
the short term cash flow?) However, they increase the customers
support cost every year after that. ( The customer may not take the
"free" stuff and it is a wash for BMC. No cost to BMC, No cost to the
customer.)

The more BMC can show _value_ to the customers that do choose to
attend, then the better the customers feel about sending a
representative (or 10) each year. If the cost of (travel + hotel) >
("free stuff they bring back") then the decision is defiantly one
sided and based on an evaluation of "is it really worth it to us this
year?". If you can flip that equality in the other direction (AKA:
expenses for convention "less than" value of the stuff they bring
back) then the decision becomes a no brainier for a company. They in
effect "save money" by sending someone. :) If the "cost" to BMC also
produces a longer term customer who has a slightly higher "year over
year" bill, then I think we have a real win-win. If the conference
experience also produces a more loyal, better informed, activist for
the product(s) then BMC has a real world win that is not measurable,
nor can it be purchased. The effect of an excited and engaged customer
base can be measured, and IMHO, is what made Remedy as strong of a
company as it was.

I will also throw in that if the swag from the conference is a BMC
license, then there is no "08 Miami" branded swag that you get stuck
with in the closet, if something happens like the hotel deciding that
they can not open on time for your event. :) I wonder how many
backpacks or tee shirts, or what ever the gift bag was going to be
this year were already made up and "non-refundable". Or even how many
staff hours were spent trying to figure out and agree on the object
and it's design too.


Yes, location effects customer expenses, but so does time of year.
Time of the year at the location, and in the customer/product business
life cycles too. ( Which was part of why Oct 08 did not make as much
sense as say Feb 09. With respect to ARS 7.5 release.) Personally, I
do not care if the User Group is 

Re: 2008 User World

[Robert Molenda]

Well stated (as usual)

Here is "my idea" to add to your list of "Value Add" and reducing cost /
investment...

Why does BMC/Remedy charge for the "2 days of education" prior to the
conference? I know that my companies have paid for the "Whats new in 5x" (or
6x or 7x and to be 7.5x) or "Best practices in CMDB" - these are half-day
classes in where you already need to "know your stuff" to keep up with the
discussion...

Look - we already BOUGHT the product and are trying to USE it. Give this to
us as a "Value add" - The company simply pays for 2 additional nights of
hotel and "poof" you get this value add training that you can do your
"School Report" on... (Provided you have a valid support agreement)

Like Kelly - I've never been "requested" (told) that I have to do the "Trip
Report" however as you might imagine am "Excited to spread the news" so to
say to my team(s) about - hey look at this - or do it this way because of
X...
In all honesty - the "value" of the conferences has been diminishing over
the last few years - same ole same ole so to say... how many times have you
attended a session just to have it a "Sales Pitch" for something?

I attend the conferences more for these following reasons - which add VALUE
to myself personally and my company
1). Pre-conference sessions - this is real education - not marketing
2). Vendor area - while this is a "sales area" it does show products with
"hands on touch" such as Panacea, NewScale,kenetic, AeroPrise, etc - this is
stuff that "you can use" and you leave asking yourself "geez how did I live
without this"...
3). Evening with Engineering - who could ask for more? - would be good to
have these twice a year! (or more! once a quarter - one afternoon - cheap
!!)
4). Social Networking - putting the "Face to the email", getting the "Real
world I did this"...
5). Social Networking - Just getting to know other ARS'ers - building
resource connections - adding more connections

I agree that if anyone's company considered the "Location" instead of the
"Conference Value" they are barking up the wrong tree. As you mentioned
"middle of the corn field" PROVIDED INTERNET ACCESS would be okay - we are
"never" away from work are we? conference sessions for 6 hours  2 or 3 hours
in the sales room - then online to catch up on emails / tickets / etc...

Vancouver (although I was not able to attend) was the first "Iternational
NAFTA User World" - Why not Mexico? There are TONS of Remedy Customers in
MX! How about Mexico City? Puerto Vallarta? Acapulco? all three of these
locations are easily accessable with direct flights from US AND CANADA...
Costs? Very Inexpensive! (Definately less than Miami Beach!)

 The same "Concerns" could be stated about Vegas and San Francisco and
Baltimore - This is purely a "Employee Trust" issue - are they going to the
conference to "Play" or to "Learn"...  Unfortunately everyone has been
burned by the "bad apple" that has caused this to be a concern for
management... It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to show (via a trip report, demo
CD, etc) that they returned WITH VALUE and just not a hang-over :)

The above is IMHO - take it for what it's worth - your ROI might vary
Robert Molenda


On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Carey Matthew Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> All,
>
> If we (customers) are trying to "watch the bottom line" then why not
> use the User Group conference as a "loss leader"? Total price ( ROI )
> is always a consideration for a smart company. ( I think both
> companies, BMC and the customer, can win on a conference.)
>
>
> BMC could do something like:
>
> Give every attendee _one_ "free" AR System Fixed (or maybe optional
> Float) license. (NOTE: To be added to your current support contract
> and all normal renewal fees applied at your next renewal.) With maybe
> a cap of "N" per year per "Support Contract"/"Customer Company".
>Or...
> If BMC wants to push a given product (Example: Non-AR System), then
> give away "1 year free use license" to all attendees. (Returnable at
> no cost, at any time during the first year, but you have to purchase
> it at the end of the year if you want to keep using it.)
>Or...
> Lower the customer cost to attend the conference and make the price of
> the hotel room much greater than the "cover charge at the door" for
> the conference.
>
>Those are all tried and true "loss leader" marketing techniques.
> For software companies the cost of generating a license is very low.
> (It is just data. It could also likely be done with the existing PO
> process if a special "BMCUW2008" PO number was introduced for the
> customer who attended. It could all be "self service" to generate the
> key just like they purchased the product.) BMC might even be able to
> get a "advertising" write off for the market purchase value of the
> license in their taxes as a business expense too. Sure they do not get
> the initial purchase cash from the license. (and does BMC really need
> the short term cash flow?) However, they

Re: 2008 User World

[Opela, Gary L CTR USAF AFMC 72 CS/SCBAH]

Andrew, those trees are called daughters. They don't actually grow the
money of the leaves, rather you have to make a mulch out of $20 bills,
then apply it weekly to the base of the tree. Eventually, the tree takes
up the money, and produces leaves of love.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Hicox
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:35 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
Huntsville, AL.

We have rockets, BBQ and a mountain.
I also hear we have trees that grow money-leaves, though I've yet to
cultivate one myself

-Andy

On Sep 26, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Shellman, David wrote:


It's not our direct bosses.

Our company is tightening it's spending as a direct result of
economic forecasts. The State of Pennsylvania is also taking similar
steps. I'm sure that there are others that are also others looking at
similar steps.

GMC, Ford, and Chrysler continued to build SUV's like there was
no tomorrow. Suddenly the price of fuel goes up and now they can't give
them away. Plants are closing. Folks are defaulting on mortgages. Banks
are closing. Loans are becoming harder to get.


Now upper management says "Hmm do I send Dave to Vegas or I lay
off 40 people. Next week we may need to lay off another 600. Dave can
pass on Vegas."

All I'm saying is that in tough economic times is a tougher sell
than going to Baltimore or San Francisco or Houston or even Boston. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)




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To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Fri Sep 26 10:56:54 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 


** 
I kinda agree.  Especially since I know that Kelly's a
hardworking, honest person whose demeanor doesn't scream "flake".  I
think maybe the boss was covering himself in case HIS boss asked for
some justification for sending someone to Vegas.

Rick


On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Pierson, Shawn
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This isn't directly specifically at Kelly, but at
everyone who is in that type of situation.

 


I would be offended if my boss didn't trust me enough to
be professional and do my job.  I don't think I would want to work for
someone that didn't trust me enough to be able to go to Las Vegas for a
conference and attend sessions and learn things.  While your approach
may work, it doesn't address the core issue of peoples' employers not
believing that their people would do the right thing.  That is a sign of
a bad business relationship.

 


Shawn Pierson

 


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Deaver
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:13 AM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 


** 

If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place)
suggest they do what my boss did years ago

for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of
sessions I planned to attend. I had to bring back 

a complete trip report about what I learned plus a
description of what each vendor in the expo did 

and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he
could tell if I'd have just copied some stuff 

from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had
to provide to him)

 


BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to
Management... no promises but I feel your pain.

 


Kelly Deaver

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: 2008 User World

[Andrew Hicox]

Huntsville, AL.

We have rockets, BBQ and a mountain.
I also hear we have trees that grow money-leaves, though I've yet to  
cultivate one myself


-Andy

On Sep 26, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Shellman, David wrote:


It's not our direct bosses.

Our company is tightening it's spending as a direct result of  
economic forecasts. The State of Pennsylvania is also taking similar  
steps. I'm sure that there are others that are also others looking  
at similar steps.


GMC, Ford, and Chrysler continued to build SUV's like there was no  
tomorrow. Suddenly the price of fuel goes up and now they can't give  
them away. Plants are closing. Folks are defaulting on mortgages.  
Banks are closing. Loans are becoming harder to get.


Now upper management says "Hmm do I send Dave to Vegas or I lay off  
40 people. Next week we may need to lay off another 600. Dave can  
pass on Vegas."


All I'm saying is that in tough economic times is a tougher sell  
than going to Baltimore or San Francisco or Houston or even Boston.

Dave
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Wireless)


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Fri Sep 26 10:56:54 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

**
I kinda agree.  Especially since I know that Kelly's a hardworking,  
honest person whose demeanor doesn't scream "flake".  I think maybe  
the boss was covering himself in case HIS boss asked for some  
justification for sending someone to Vegas.


Rick

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Pierson, Shawn  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This isn't directly specifically at Kelly, but at everyone who is in  
that type of situation.



I would be offended if my boss didn't trust me enough to be  
professional and do my job.  I don't think I would want to work for  
someone that didn't trust me enough to be able to go to Las Vegas  
for a conference and attend sessions and learn things.  While your  
approach may work, it doesn't address the core issue of peoples'  
employers not believing that their people would do the right thing.   
That is a sign of a bad business relationship.



Shawn Pierson


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
] On Behalf Of Kelly Deaver

Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:13 AM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


**

If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest  
they do what my boss did years ago


for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I  
planned to attend. I had to bring back


a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of  
what each vendor in the expo did


and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell  
if I'd have just copied some stuff


from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to  
him)



BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no  
promises but I feel your pain.



Kelly Deaver

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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and not the official opinion of BMC)


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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

It's not our direct bosses.

Our company is tightening it's spending as a direct result of economic 
forecasts. The State of Pennsylvania is also taking similar steps. I'm sure 
that there are others that are also others looking at similar steps.

GMC, Ford, and Chrysler continued to build SUV's like there was no tomorrow. 
Suddenly the price of fuel goes up and now they can't give them away. Plants 
are closing. Folks are defaulting on mortgages. Banks are closing. Loans are 
becoming harder to get.

Now upper management says "Hmm do I send Dave to Vegas or I lay off 40 people. 
Next week we may need to lay off another 600. Dave can pass on Vegas."

All I'm saying is that in tough economic times is a tougher sell than going to 
Baltimore or San Francisco or Houston or even Boston. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Fri Sep 26 10:56:54 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 


** 
I kinda agree.  Especially since I know that Kelly's a hardworking, honest 
person whose demeanor doesn't scream "flake".  I think maybe the boss was 
covering himself in case HIS boss asked for some justification for sending 
someone to Vegas.

Rick


On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Pierson, Shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This isn't directly specifically at Kelly, but at everyone who is in 
that type of situation.

 

I would be offended if my boss didn't trust me enough to be 
professional and do my job.  I don't think I would want to work for someone 
that didn't trust me enough to be able to go to Las Vegas for a conference and 
attend sessions and learn things.  While your approach may work, it doesn't 
address the core issue of peoples' employers not believing that their people 
would do the right thing.  That is a sign of a bad business relationship.

 

Shawn Pierson

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Deaver
    Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:13 AM

To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 

** 

If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest they 
do what my boss did years ago

for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I planned 
to attend. I had to bring back 

a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of what 
each vendor in the expo did 

and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell if 
I'd have just copied some stuff 

from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to 
him)

 

BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no 
promises but I feel your pain.

 

Kelly Deaver

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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not the official opinion of BMC)

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Re: 2008 User World

[Rick Cook]

I kinda agree.  Especially since I know that Kelly's a hardworking, honest
person whose demeanor doesn't scream "flake".  I think maybe the boss was
covering himself in case HIS boss asked for some justification for sending
someone to Vegas.

Rick

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:02 AM, Pierson, Shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  This isn't directly specifically at Kelly, but at everyone who is in that
> type of situation.
>
>
>
> I would be offended if my boss didn't trust me enough to be professional
> and do my job.  I don't think I would want to work for someone that didn't
> trust me enough to be able to go to Las Vegas for a conference and attend
> sessions and learn things.  While your approach may work, it doesn't address
> the core issue of peoples' employers not believing that their people would
> do the right thing.  That is a sign of a bad business relationship.
>
>
>
> Shawn Pierson
>
>
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelly Deaver
> *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2008 7:13 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
>
>
> **
>
> If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest they do
> what my boss did years ago
>
> for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I planned to
> attend. I had to bring back
>
> a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of what each
> vendor in the expo did
>
> and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell if I'd
> have just copied some stuff
>
> from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to him)
>
>
>
> BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no promises
> but I feel your pain.
>
>
>
> Kelly Deaver
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not
> the official opinion of BMC)
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Pierson, Shawn]

This isn’t directly specifically at Kelly, but at everyone who is in that type 
of situation.

I would be offended if my boss didn’t trust me enough to be professional and do 
my job.  I don’t think I would want to work for someone that didn’t trust me 
enough to be able to go to Las Vegas for a conference and attend sessions and 
learn things.  While your approach may work, it doesn’t address the core issue 
of peoples’ employers not believing that their people would do the right thing. 
 That is a sign of a bad business relationship.

Shawn Pierson

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Kelly Deaver
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:13 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

**
If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest they do what 
my boss did years ago
for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I planned to 
attend. I had to bring back
a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of what each 
vendor in the expo did
and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell if I'd have 
just copied some stuff
from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to him)

BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no promises but 
I feel your pain.

Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Pascale Boyer]

Gary, I did too  ;o)

And, IMHO the best crab cake and soup was in Ocean City, MD

Pascale Boyer
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Oh, I went to remedy classes near Baltimore. Did anyone else go there
and get the crab cakes with a certain unnamed instructor?

Gary

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
The best cream of crab soup is in Maryland.  Had it at several venues
and no place else compares to it.  Good grief, now I want to go to
Baltimore!
 
Susan


2008/9/25 Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


 ** 

 Baltimore, MD.

 

 Inner Harbor

 National Aquarium

 Fort McHenry

 Fells Point

 Little Italy

 Gettysburg is an hour away

 World Class Restaurants everywhere

 Art Museums

 Annapolis is under an hour away

 Washington DC is an hour away

 Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs

 Chesapeake Bay

 Chesapeake Bay Oysters

 Philadelphia is an hour and a half away

 Camden Yards

 

 There are several hotels near the Convention Center. 
There is
light rail from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from
downtown.

 

 Gordon M. Frank

 Lockheed Martin

 

 



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 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
 
     Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 

 

 I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far 
from
Baltimore, MD.. I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things
to do there after hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA.
What else is Baltimore known for?
 
 Joe

 

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 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
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 ** 

 How about Baltimore , MD ?

 

 www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

 BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the
convention center can handle most conferences.

 

 I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

 Gordon M. Frank

 Lockheed Martin

 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Kelly Deaver]

**
If your boss bulks at Vegas (assuming that is the place) suggest they do what my boss did years ago
for a show in Las Vegas. He had me pick my list of sessions I planned to attend. I had to bring back 
a complete trip report about what I learned plus a description of what each vendor in the expo did 
and how it related/or not to our company. Believe me he could tell if I'd have just copied some stuff 
from the slides and the show booklet (which I also had to provide to him)
 
BTW, I'm sending some of your choice comments to Management... no promises but I feel your pain.
 
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Re: 2008 User World

[Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)]

Just to wet your appetite more, how about:

Crab Cakes

Cream of Crab soup

Maryland Crab Soup

Fried Oysters

Soft Shell Crab Sandwiches

Clipper City Beer (Their Winter Storm Ale was voted Best International
Pale Ale at 2008 World Beer Cup)

 

Did I mention Fells Point - http://www.fellspoint.us/

Inner Harbor - http://baltimore.org/about-baltimore/inner-harbor

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:46 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 

** 

The best cream of crab soup is in Maryland.  Had it at several venues
and no place else compares to it.  Good grief, now I want to go to
Baltimore!

 

Susan

2008/9/25 Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

** 

Baltimore, MD.

 

Inner Harbor

National Aquarium

Fort McHenry

Fells Point

Little Italy

Gettysburg is an hour away

World Class Restaurants everywhere

Art Museums

Annapolis is under an hour away

Washington DC is an hour away

Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs

Chesapeake Bay

Chesapeake Bay Oysters

Philadelphia is an hour and a half away

Camden Yards

 

There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is light rail
from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from downtown.

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza 


Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 

I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore,
MD.. I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there
after hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else
is Baltimore known for?

Joe

 

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To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 

How about Baltimore , MD ?

 

www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention
center can handle most conferences.

 

I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Carey Matthew Black]

All,

If we (customers) are trying to "watch the bottom line" then why not
use the User Group conference as a "loss leader"? Total price ( ROI )
is always a consideration for a smart company. ( I think both
companies, BMC and the customer, can win on a conference.)


BMC could do something like:

Give every attendee _one_ "free" AR System Fixed (or maybe optional
Float) license. (NOTE: To be added to your current support contract
and all normal renewal fees applied at your next renewal.) With maybe
a cap of "N" per year per "Support Contract"/"Customer Company".
Or...
If BMC wants to push a given product (Example: Non-AR System), then
give away "1 year free use license" to all attendees. (Returnable at
no cost, at any time during the first year, but you have to purchase
it at the end of the year if you want to keep using it.)
Or...
Lower the customer cost to attend the conference and make the price of
the hotel room much greater than the "cover charge at the door" for
the conference.

Those are all tried and true "loss leader" marketing techniques.
For software companies the cost of generating a license is very low.
(It is just data. It could also likely be done with the existing PO
process if a special "BMCUW2008" PO number was introduced for the
customer who attended. It could all be "self service" to generate the
key just like they purchased the product.) BMC might even be able to
get a "advertising" write off for the market purchase value of the
license in their taxes as a business expense too. Sure they do not get
the initial purchase cash from the license. (and does BMC really need
the short term cash flow?) However, they increase the customers
support cost every year after that. ( The customer may not take the
"free" stuff and it is a wash for BMC. No cost to BMC, No cost to the
customer.)

The more BMC can show _value_ to the customers that do choose to
attend, then the better the customers feel about sending a
representative (or 10) each year. If the cost of (travel + hotel) >
("free stuff they bring back") then the decision is defiantly one
sided and based on an evaluation of "is it really worth it to us this
year?". If you can flip that equality in the other direction (AKA:
expenses for convention "less than" value of the stuff they bring
back) then the decision becomes a no brainier for a company. They in
effect "save money" by sending someone. :) If the "cost" to BMC also
produces a longer term customer who has a slightly higher "year over
year" bill, then I think we have a real win-win. If the conference
experience also produces a more loyal, better informed, activist for
the product(s) then BMC has a real world win that is not measurable,
nor can it be purchased. The effect of an excited and engaged customer
base can be measured, and IMHO, is what made Remedy as strong of a
company as it was.

I will also throw in that if the swag from the conference is a BMC
license, then there is no "08 Miami" branded swag that you get stuck
with in the closet, if something happens like the hotel deciding that
they can not open on time for your event. :) I wonder how many
backpacks or tee shirts, or what ever the gift bag was going to be
this year were already made up and "non-refundable". Or even how many
staff hours were spent trying to figure out and agree on the object
and it's design too.


Yes, location effects customer expenses, but so does time of year.
Time of the year at the location, and in the customer/product business
life cycles too. ( Which was part of why Oct 08 did not make as much
sense as say Feb 09. With respect to ARS 7.5 release.) Personally, I
do not care if the User Group is in the middle of a corn field. (As
long as there is a reasonable hotel near by and my laptop can get a
WI-FI signal. :) ) I know that I go for the content not the location.

If the conference is worth attending for the content/value then
the attendees should have no problem avoiding being distracted by the
"shiny location" that happens to be outside the bounds of the
conference. If employers really find that there employee's are
skipping out on work to go play then there sounds like some
disciplinary actions are needed to me. (But that sounds like is an
internal personal issue to me.)

I do think the most cost effective "place" for everyone is a
virtual place. ( Not a trivial technical task, but maybe possible
too.) You just loose something when you do not get to interact
directly, in real time, with 1000's of other "fans"(AKA: fanatics).
Meeting in the real world does have real value and it also has real
costs. However, if the infrastructure for a mass meeting exists then
it can also be leveraged for things like Alpha/Beta/Gama testing
groups, tech support escalation calls, etc.. during the rest of the
year too. Note: I am not advocating the discontinuation of yearly face
to face meetings. But rather it might be an opportunity to meet more
than once a year mass meetings too.

As 

Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

I never miss out on Hardees whenever I'm there as their roast beef sandwich 
with mushrooms and cheddar cheese  has been my favourite for many many years 
now.. And MD and VA are the only places on the East Coast that I have seen a 
Hardees at.. Got to try their crabs the next time I'm there as I've heard so 
much about it but never tried it.. Lenny Warren did mention that at a training 
course when I was there but didn't find the shack he mentioned on my GPS..

Joe


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From: Susan Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:46:21 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
The best cream of crab soup is in Maryland.  Had it at several venues and no 
place else compares to it.  Good grief, now I want to go to Baltimore!
 
Susan


2008/9/25 Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

** 
Baltimore, MD.
 
InnerHarbor
National Aquarium
FortMcHenry
Fells Point
Little Italy
Gettysburgis an hour away
World Class Restaurants everywhere
Art Museums
Annapolisis under an hour away
WashingtonDCis an hour away
MarylandSteamed Blue Crabs
Chesapeake Bay
Chesapeake BayOysters
Philadelphiais an hour and a half away
Camden Yards
 
There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is light rail from 
the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from downtown.
 
Gordon M. Frank
Lockheed Martin
 


 
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On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza 

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

Subject: Re: 2008 User World 
 
I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD.. I'm 
not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours 
except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is Baltimore known 
for?

Joe
 
- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
How about Baltimore , MD ?
 
www.Baltimore.org
 
BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center can 
handle most conferences.
 
I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!
 
Gordon M. Frank
Lockheed Martin



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Re: 2008 User World

[Wheeler, Dylan]

You all really want to make me pay for skipping lunch today don't you?
:)
Although Vegas would be nice, it would be easier to justify a trip to
somewhere like Baltimore.

- 

Dylan Wheeler
Production Control Analyst Principal 
IT Operations 
Downey Savings & Loan Association, F.A. 
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Subject: Re: 2008 User World


Oh, I went to remedy classes near Baltimore. Did anyone else go there
and get the crab cakes with a certain unnamed instructor?

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:46 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
The best cream of crab soup is in Maryland.  Had it at several venues
and no place else compares to it.  Good grief, now I want to go to
Baltimore!
 
Susan


2008/9/25 Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


** 

Baltimore, MD.

 

Inner Harbor

National Aquarium

Fort McHenry

Fells Point

Little Italy

Gettysburg is an hour away

World Class Restaurants everywhere

Art Museums

Annapolis is under an hour away

Washington DC is an hour away

Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs

Chesapeake Bay

Chesapeake Bay Oysters

Philadelphia is an hour and a half away

Camden Yards

 

There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is
light rail from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from
downtown.

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza 

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

    Subject: Re: 2008 User World



 

I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from
Baltimore, MD.. I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things
to do there after hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA.
What else is Baltimore known for?

Joe

 

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From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 

How about Baltimore , MD ?

 

www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the
convention center can handle most conferences.

 

I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Opela, Gary L CTR USAF AFMC 72 CS/SCBAH]

Oh, I went to remedy classes near Baltimore. Did anyone else go there
and get the crab cakes with a certain unnamed instructor?

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:46 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
The best cream of crab soup is in Maryland.  Had it at several venues
and no place else compares to it.  Good grief, now I want to go to
Baltimore!
 
Susan


2008/9/25 Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


** 

Baltimore, MD.

 

Inner Harbor

National Aquarium

Fort McHenry

Fells Point

Little Italy

Gettysburg is an hour away

World Class Restaurants everywhere

Art Museums

Annapolis is under an hour away

Washington DC is an hour away

Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs

Chesapeake Bay

Chesapeake Bay Oysters

Philadelphia is an hour and a half away

Camden Yards

 

There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is
light rail from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from
downtown.

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza 

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

Subject: Re: 2008 User World



 

I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from
Baltimore, MD.. I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things
to do there after hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA.
What else is Baltimore known for?

Joe

 

- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 

How about Baltimore , MD ?

 

www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the
convention center can handle most conferences.

 

I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Susan Palmer]

The best cream of crab soup is in Maryland.  Had it at several venues and no
place else compares to it.  Good grief, now I want to go to Baltimore!

Susan

2008/9/25 Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> **
>
> Baltimore, MD.
>
>
>
> Inner Harbor
>
> National Aquarium
>
> Fort McHenry
>
> Fells Point
>
> Little Italy
>
> Gettysburg is an hour away
>
> World Class Restaurants everywhere
>
> Art Museums
>
> Annapolis is under an hour away
>
> Washington DC is an hour away
>
> Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs
>
> Chesapeake Bay
>
> Chesapeake Bay Oysters
>
> Philadelphia is an hour and a half away
>
> Camden Yards
>
>
>
> There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is light rail
> from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from downtown.
>
>
>
> Gordon M. Frank
>
> Lockheed Martin
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joe DeSouza
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
>
>
> I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD..
> I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after
> hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is
> Baltimore known for?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>
> **
>
> How about Baltimore , MD ?
>
>
>
> www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/>
>
>
>
> BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center
> can handle most conferences.
>
>
>
> I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!
>
>
>
> Gordon M. Frank
>
> Lockheed Martin
>
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

When I worked with BearingPoint, my schedule with them was onsite Monday 
through Thursday leaving the Friday to work from home, so a couple of times I 
didn't go back home as I had worked overtime thus claiming a Friday off and 
since the weekend got longer I had time to do these things.. One of such a 
weekend I had was a 4th of July weekend where I got to visit the Washington DC 
memorial and got to photograph and see the fireworks there too..

I'm a little more of an outdoor persons and hotel rooms are not quite the place 
I rest after getting back from work.. scouting around a little - never hurts..

Joe


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From: Susan Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:32:26 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
I can't figure out when you all have time to visit anything.  My schedule is 
usually packed from 8am until 10pm at least.  I do generally go a day or two 
early to visit the area if I want.  If you find Baltimore lacking Washington DC 
is so close and it has endless things to do.
 
Susan


2008/9/25 Joe DeSouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

** 
I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD.. I'm 
not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours 
except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is Baltimore known 
for?

Joe 


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From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
How about Baltimore , MD ?
 
www.Baltimore.org
 
BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center can 
handle most conferences.
 
I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!
 
Gordon M. Frank
Lockheed Martin



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Re: 2008 User World

[Grooms, Frederick W]

I was waiting for you to say that :)



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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: 2008 User World


Since it's my city, I'm pretty sure I can get everyone a discount
Friend of the owner as it were!
 
*wink*
 
Warren Baltimore

 
On 9/25/08, Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Baltimore, MD.

 

Inner Harbor

National Aquarium

Fort McHenry

Fells Point

Little Italy

Gettysburg is an hour away

World Class Restaurants everywhere

Art Museums

Annapolis is under an hour away

Washington DC is an hour away

Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs

Chesapeake Bay

Chesapeake Bay Oysters

Philadelphia is an hour and a half away

Camden Yards

 

There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is
light rail from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from
downtown.

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin





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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
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    Subject: Re: 2008 User World

I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from
Baltimore, MD.. I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things
to do there after hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA.
What else is Baltimore known for?

Joe

- Original Message 
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Subject: Re: 2008 User World



How about Baltimore , MD ?

www.Baltimore.org

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the
convention center can handle most conferences.

I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

Gordon M. Frank

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Re: 2008 User World

[Warren Baltimore]

Since it's my city, I'm pretty sure I can get everyone a discount
Friend of the owner as it were!

*wink*

Warren Baltimore


On 9/25/08, Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> **
>
> Baltimore, MD.
>
>
>
> Inner Harbor
>
> National Aquarium
>
> Fort McHenry
>
> Fells Point
>
> Little Italy
>
> Gettysburg is an hour away
>
> World Class Restaurants everywhere
>
> Art Museums
>
> Annapolis is under an hour away
>
> Washington DC is an hour away
>
> Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs
>
> Chesapeake Bay
>
> Chesapeake Bay Oysters
>
> Philadelphia is an hour and a half away
>
> Camden Yards
>
>
>
> There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is light rail
> from the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from downtown.
>
>
>
> Gordon M. Frank
>
> Lockheed Martin
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Joe DeSouza
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
>
>
> I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD..
> I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after
> hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is
> Baltimore known for?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>
> **
>
> How about Baltimore , MD ?
>
>
>
> www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/>
>
>
>
> BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center
> can handle most conferences.
>
>
>
> I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!
>
>
>
> Gordon M. Frank
>
> Lockheed Martin
>
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Susan Palmer]

I can't figure out when you all have time to visit anything.  My schedule is
usually packed from 8am until 10pm at least.  I do generally go a day or two
early to visit the area if I want.  If you find Baltimore lacking Washington
DC is so close and it has endless things to do.

Susan

2008/9/25 Joe DeSouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> ** I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore,
> MD.. I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there
> after hours except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is
> Baltimore known for?
>
> Joe
>  - Original Message 
> From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>
> **
>
> How about Baltimore , MD ?
>
>
>
> www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/>
>
>
>
> BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center
> can handle most conferences.
>
>
>
> I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!
>
>
>
> Gordon M. Frank
>
> Lockheed Martin
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

Another thing I like about MD - driving there is an absolute pleasure.. So far 
the best roads that I have seen among many of the States in America that I have 
been to..

So if you love sight seeing, driving across MD can be an absolute pleasure.. 
Watch out for unmarked cop cars in Mustangs and Dodge Chargers though - I 
learnt that the hard way around.. I actually tried to road race one thinking it 
was 'just another car' trying to road race :-)

Joe


- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:02:13 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

**  
Baltimore, MD.
 
InnerHarbor
National Aquarium
FortMcHenry
Fells Point
Little Italy
Gettysburgis an hour away
World Class Restaurants everywhere
Art Museums
Annapolisis under an hour away
WashingtonDCis an
hour away
MarylandSteamed Blue Crabs
Chesapeake Bay
Chesapeake BayOysters
Philadelphiais an hour and a half away
Camden Yards
 
There are several hotels near the
Convention Center. There is light rail from the airport, but the airport is
only 5-10 miles from downtown.
 
Gordon M. Frank
Lockheed Martin
 


 
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DeSouza
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008
1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World
 
I've worked around in Greenbelt , MD that's not too far from Baltimore , MD. .
I'm not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours
except a trip to the Air and Space  Museum in VA. What else
is Baltimore 
known for?

Joe
 
- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
How about Baltimore , MD 
?
 
www.Baltimore.org
 
BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the
country and the convention center can handle most conferences.
 
I’d love to introduce you all to a steamed
blue crab!
 
Gordon M. Frank
Lockheed Martin




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Re: 2008 User World

[Pascale Boyer]

Talk about a small town!!  lol

Warren our dollar being worth 0.96 US makes coming here cheaper for you 
guys!
A room at 100$ CDN comes to 96$ US ...

Pascale Boyer
Analyste Expert Remedy
Vidéotron Technologie Inc
Développement produits affaires & service corporatifs
800, de la Gauchetière, Ouest
niveau 1, local 1130
Montréal, (Québec)  H5K 1K6
Tél.: (514) 380-7841
Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



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** 
Bonjour Pascale!
 
Your right about everyone of your points, and it would be a lovely venue. 
The only problem is "and our $$ is back at being lower than the US ... ". 
That makes it a more expensive proposition for all us destitute yanks down 
south!
 
It's funny, I remember in my youth spending time in a little logging town 
in Quebec - The Rapides des Joachim.  We called it the "Swisha".  Great 
bargood times, good times.  I bet the hotel in the Swisha would love 
to have us.  Course I don't think they could take more then 30 
peoplethat might be an issue.
 
Warren

 
On 9/25/08, Pascale Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
** 
KK my turn to try to sell my location 

What about beautiful Montreal, Quebec, Canada? 
We have great food, great convention centers and our $$ is back at being 
lower than the US ... 
And yes, we all speak English here too  :o) 

Pascale Boyer
Analyste Expert Remedy
Vidéotron Technologie Inc
Développement produits affaires & service corporatifs
800, de la Gauchetière, Ouest
niveau 1, local 1130
Montréal, (Québec)  H5K 1K6
Tél.: (514) 380-7841
Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Warren Baltimore]

ooops, just reread that statementgood thing im not and economist!  I
agree with Pascale on all points!  Montreal would be perfect!

Warren


On 9/25/08, Warren Baltimore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Bonjour Pascale!
>
> Your right about everyone of your points, and it would be a lovely venue.
> The only problem is "and our $$ is back at being lower than the US ... ".
> That makes it a more expensive proposition for all us destitute yanks down
> south!
>
> It's funny, I remember in my youth spending time in a little logging town
> in Quebec - The Rapides des Joachim.  We called it the "Swisha".  Great
> bargood times, good times.  I bet the hotel in the Swisha would love to
> have us.  Course I don't think they could take more then 30 peoplethat
> might be an issue.
>
> Warren
>
>
>  On 9/25/08, Pascale Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> **
>> KK my turn to try to sell my location
>>
>> What about beautiful Montreal, Quebec, Canada?
>> We have great food, great convention centers and our $$ is back at being
>> lower than the US ...
>> And yes, we all speak English here too  :o)
>>
>> Pascale Boyer
>> Analyste Expert Remedy
>> Vidéotron Technologie Inc
>> Développement produits affaires & service corporatifs
>> 800, de la Gauchetière, Ouest
>> niveau 1, local 1130
>> Montréal, (Québec)  H5K 1K6
>> Tél.: (514) 380-7841
>> Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
>
>
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> 206-920-8249
>



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Re: 2008 User World

[Warren Baltimore]

Bonjour Pascale!

Your right about everyone of your points, and it would be a lovely venue.
The only problem is "and our $$ is back at being lower than the US ... ".
That makes it a more expensive proposition for all us destitute yanks down
south!

It's funny, I remember in my youth spending time in a little logging town in
Quebec - The Rapides des Joachim.  We called it the "Swisha".  Great
bargood times, good times.  I bet the hotel in the Swisha would love to
have us.  Course I don't think they could take more then 30 peoplethat
might be an issue.

Warren


On 9/25/08, Pascale Boyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> **
> KK my turn to try to sell my location
>
> What about beautiful Montreal, Quebec, Canada?
> We have great food, great convention centers and our $$ is back at being
> lower than the US ...
> And yes, we all speak English here too  :o)
>
> Pascale Boyer
> Analyste Expert Remedy
> Vidéotron Technologie Inc
> Développement produits affaires & service corporatifs
> 800, de la Gauchetière, Ouest
> niveau 1, local 1130
> Montréal, (Québec)  H5K 1K6
> Tél.: (514) 380-7841
> Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: 2008 User World

[Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)]

Baltimore, MD.

 

Inner Harbor

National Aquarium

Fort McHenry

Fells Point

Little Italy

Gettysburg is an hour away

World Class Restaurants everywhere

Art Museums

Annapolis is under an hour away

Washington DC is an hour away

Maryland Steamed Blue Crabs

Chesapeake Bay

Chesapeake Bay Oysters

Philadelphia is an hour and a half away

Camden Yards

 

There are several hotels near the Convention Center. There is light rail from 
the airport, but the airport is only 5-10 miles from downtown.

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 



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On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 

I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD.. I'm 
not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours 
except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is Baltimore known 
for?

Joe

 

- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 

How about Baltimore , MD ?

 

www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center can 
handle most conferences.

 

I’d love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

>From a yahoo search - Fells Point is a neighborhood in Baltimore, Maryland,
home to a variety of shops, restaurants, coffee bars, music stores, and
over 120 pubs. Located on the harbor and famous for its maritime past,
it now boasts the greatest concentration of pubs/bars in the city. This
waterfront community is a much-visited location in Baltimore,
accessible by water taxi, freeway, and several bus lines.

I still can't get over 'over 120 pubs'! Nice.. Perhaps perfect :-)

Joe


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From: "Shellman, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:29:06 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
Crab.  Baltimore 
Aquarium.  Inner Harbor.  Fells Point.  Chesapeake 
Bay.
 
Just for starters.
 
Dave



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DeSouza
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

**  
I've 
worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD.. I'm not 
quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours except a 
trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is Baltimore known 
for?

Joe 


- 
Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, 
September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

**  
How about Baltimore , 
MD ?
 
www.Baltimore.org
 
BWI is one of the big 
airport hubs in the country and the convention center can handle most 
conferences.
 
I’d love to introduce 
you all to a steamed blue crab!
 
Gordon M. 
Frank
Lockheed 
Martin




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Re: 2008 User World

[john]

Gordon,

 

Nothing like supporting your home town now!

 

John Rosquist

RightStar

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:32 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 

How about Baltimore, MD?

 

www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center
can handle most conferences.

 

I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin

 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

Crab.  Baltimore Aquarium.  Inner Harbor.  Fells Point.  Chesapeake Bay.
 
Just for starters.
 
Dave



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On Behalf Of Joe DeSouza
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 1:24 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD.. I'm 
not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours 
except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is Baltimore known 
for?

Joe 

- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 

How about Baltimore , MD ?

 

www.Baltimore.org <http://www.baltimore.org/> 

 

BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center can 
handle most conferences.

 

I’d love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!

 

Gordon M. Frank

Lockheed Martin


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Re: 2008 User World

[Warren Baltimore]

Baltimore is a perfect example of what I'm saying.  Great city, not one that
you normally think about, but lots to do and see.

On 9/25/08, Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> **
>
> How about Baltimore, MD?
>
>
>
> www.Baltimore.org 
>
>
>
> BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the country and the convention center
> can handle most conferences.
>
>
>
> I'd love to introduce you all to a steamed blue crab!
>
>
>
> Gordon M. Frank
>
> Lockheed Martin
>
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

I've worked around in Greenbelt, MD that's not too far from Baltimore, MD.. I'm 
not quite sure I found too many interesting things to do there after hours 
except a trip to the Air and Space Museum in VA. What else is Baltimore known 
for?

Joe


- Original Message 
From: "Frank, Gordon M. (CMS/CTR)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:31:47 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

**  
How about Baltimore , MD ?
 
www.Baltimore.org
 
BWI is one of the big airport hubs in the
country and the convention center can handle most conferences.
 
I’d love to introduce you all to a
steamed blue crab!
 
Gordon M. Frank
Lockheed Martin




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Re: 2008 User World

[Pascale Boyer]

KK my turn to try to sell my location

What about beautiful Montreal, Quebec, Canada?
We have great food, great convention centers and our $$ is back at being 
lower than the US ...
And yes, we all speak English here too  :o)

Pascale Boyer
Analyste Expert Remedy
Vidéotron Technologie Inc
Développement produits affaires & service corporatifs
800, de la Gauchetière, Ouest
niveau 1, local 1130
Montréal, (Québec)  H5K 1K6
Tél.: (514) 380-7841
Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: 2008 User World

[Brian Goralczyk]

Why not St Louis or Kansas City?  A nice central location?  I understand the
point about Vegas being thought of as an "excuse" for a vacation, however,
the point of keeping costs down is valid.   Almost every hotel in Vegas has
cheap rooms.  I would think you wouldn't need to be more than a few blocks
away from the conference.  Of course that is just my opinion.

Brian

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Shellman, David <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yes I agree. Especially when the request to send some one to Vegas comes
> right after the company has had to layoff 200 workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio
> or Kentucky because they are closing plants as a result of an economic
> downturn.
> Dave
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>
> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
> ** Kelly, it's not so much the cost that can be the concern, but the
> location.  Often when Vegas is the location, there is an association with it
> that makes some management think "why would I spend my budget on this
> guy/gal's bachnalian vacation in Vegas?"  Trust me, folks in the public
> sector will often run into this.
>
> I love going to the User World, and the last one was in a truly interesting
> city!  I'd love to see more locations like Vancouver.  Sort of off the
> beaten convention path.  Reasonable in price (although the hotel was pricey,
> but the value of the USD wasn't helping that).  There are so many smaller
> cities in this country that offer wonderful convention facilities and
> interesting entertainment venues.  Plus they are centrally located!
>
> How about BUW 2010 - Steubenville, OH?  (just kidding).
>
> Cities like Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or one of my personal favorites,
> Chicago IL have so much to offer.  And the expnese is so much less then the
> Miami's of the world
>
> Just an idea.
>
> Warren
>
>
> On 9/25/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels?
>>
>> Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver
>> because I want the convenience of staying near the conference.
>>
>> There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day
>> event it was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night.
>>
>> It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between
>> listening to a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration
>> Management or Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little
>> time will be spent at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception
>> because folks do use events like free vacations.
>>
>> Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the technical
>> content.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>> -
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>> *Sent*: Thu Sep 25 07:57:52 2008
>> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>>
>>  I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap
>> flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it
>> also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search
>> for 3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the
>> Luxor, Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
>>
>> Kelly Deaver
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and
>> not the official opinion of BMC)
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>> From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://tycoelectronics.com/>
>> >
>> Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
>> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>>
>> Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they
>> really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great
>> shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances,
>> cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts
>> and not buying like they did.
>>
>> It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are
>> effected economies through out the world.
>>
>> In response, Tyco Electronics is

Re: 2008 User World

[Pruitt, Christopher J]

WOW, Comdex had no issue with going to Vegas every year, and it was
replaced by Interop, which also goes to Vegas every year. In fact,
Interop will be in Vegas mid-May of 2009. Vegas has some of the best
convention space in the world.  Why would BMC not think they are on the
same level as these giants?
 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Deaver
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:58 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more
cheap flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel
rooms but it also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to
Travelocity and search for 3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I
got 85 hits including the Luxor, Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the
poster and not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG


Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to
this before they really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy
is not in great shape. I work for a company that manufacturers
connectors for appliances, cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc.
People are tightening their belts and not buying like they did.

It also not just in the US. The events over the last few
weeks are effected economies through out the world.

In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to
tighten it's belt. A conference in Vegas when the economy continues to
slow down is not a good thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas
may be frowned upon as extravagant.

It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida
during hurricane season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In
this case the conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come
because of the cost and the glitz in a bad economy.

Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For
me it probably be an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston.

Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008
    Subject: Re: 2008 User World 
** 
Vegas could be problematic
 
You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in
Vegas!
 
How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
 
Warren

 
On 9/24/08, Shellman, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

** 
Kelly,

Thanks for that update. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)


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Re: 2008 User World

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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

Yes I agree. Especially when the request to send some one to Vegas comes right 
after the company has had to layoff 200 workers in Pennsylvania, Ohio or 
Kentucky because they are closing plants as a result of an economic downturn. 
Dave 
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From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Thu Sep 25 11:58:55 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 


** 
Kelly, it's not so much the cost that can be the concern, but the location.  
Often when Vegas is the location, there is an association with it that makes 
some management think "why would I spend my budget on this guy/gal's bachnalian 
vacation in Vegas?"  Trust me, folks in the public sector will often run into 
this.
 
I love going to the User World, and the last one was in a truly interesting 
city!  I'd love to see more locations like Vancouver.  Sort of off the beaten 
convention path.  Reasonable in price (although the hotel was pricey, but the 
value of the USD wasn't helping that).  There are so many smaller cities in 
this country that offer wonderful convention facilities and interesting 
entertainment venues.  Plus they are centrally located!
 
How about BUW 2010 - Steubenville, OH?  (just kidding).
 
Cities like Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or one of my personal favorites, 
Chicago IL have so much to offer.  And the expnese is so much less then the 
Miami's of the world
 
Just an idea.
 
Warren

 
On 9/25/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

** 

How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels?

Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver 
because I want the convenience of staying near the conference.

There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day 
event it was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night.

It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between 
listening to a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration 
Management or Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little time 
will be spent at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception because 
folks do use events like free vacations.

Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the 
technical content.


Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)




From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Thu Sep 25 07:57:52 2008 

Subject: Re: 2008 User World 





I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap 
flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it 
also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search for 
3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the Luxor, 
Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and 
not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 

    ---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<http://tycoelectronics.com/> >
Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG


Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this 
before they really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in 
great shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances, 
cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts 
and not buying like they did.

It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks 
are effected economies through out the world.

In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten 
it's belt. A conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not 
a good thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as 
extravagant.

It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during 
hurricane season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the 
conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost 
and the glitz in a bad economy.

Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it 
probably be an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston. 
Dave

Re: 2008 User World

[Warren Baltimore]

Kelly, it's not so much the cost that can be the concern, but the location.
Often when Vegas is the location, there is an association with it that makes
some management think "why would I spend my budget on this guy/gal's
bachnalian vacation in Vegas?"  Trust me, folks in the public sector will
often run into this.

I love going to the User World, and the last one was in a truly interesting
city!  I'd love to see more locations like Vancouver.  Sort of off the
beaten convention path.  Reasonable in price (although the hotel was pricey,
but the value of the USD wasn't helping that).  There are so many smaller
cities in this country that offer wonderful convention facilities and
interesting entertainment venues.  Plus they are centrally located!

How about BUW 2010 - Steubenville, OH?  (just kidding).

Cities like Columbus, OH, Indianapolis, IN or one of my personal favorites,
Chicago IL have so much to offer.  And the expnese is so much less then the
Miami's of the world

Just an idea.

Warren


On 9/25/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> **
>
> How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels?
>
> Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver because
> I want the convenience of staying near the conference.
>
> There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day event
> it was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night.
>
> It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between
> listening to a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration
> Management or Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little
> time will be spent at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception
> because folks do use events like free vacations.
>
> Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the technical
> content.
>
>
> Dave
> -
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Wireless)
>
> --
> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> *To*: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Sent*: Thu Sep 25 07:57:52 2008
> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>
>  I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap
> flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it
> also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search
> for 3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the
> Luxor, Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
>
> Kelly Deaver
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not
> the official opinion of BMC)
>
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
> From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://tycoelectronics.com/>
> >
> Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>
> Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they
> really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great
> shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances,
> cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts
> and not buying like they did.
>
> It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are effected
> economies through out the world.
>
> In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten it's belt. A
> conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not a good
> thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as
> extravagant.
>
> It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during hurricane
> season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the
> conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost
> and the glitz in a bad economy.
>
> Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it probably be
> an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston.
> Dave
> -
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Wireless)
> --
> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> *To*: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Sent*: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008
> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
> ** Vegas could be problematic
>
> You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
>
> How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
>
> Warren
>
>
> On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> ** Kelly,
>>
>> Thanks for that update.
>> Dave
>> -
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (Wireless)
>> 

Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

** 

How far away from the event are the less expensive hotels?

Miami was going to cost a fair amount more than it did in Vancouver because I 
want the convenience of staying near the conference.

There was a day event in New York last week. Even though it was a day event it 
was held in a hotel that the cheapest room was over 400 a night.

It's not just cost. A couple of responses discussed choice between listening to 
a dry discussion on CMDB or slots. Choice between Configuration Management or 
Blackjack. It can be a perception that it's Vegas and little time will be spent 
at the event. In some cases it's not a misconception because folks do use 
events like free vacations.

Maybe it's just me. I don't go for the glitz. I attend for the technical 
content.


Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Thu Sep 25 07:57:52 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 


I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap flights to 
it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it also has very 
reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search for 3-5 star hotels 
for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the Luxor, Circus Circus, 
etc. What am I missing?
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the 
official opinion of BMC)
 
 

 Original Message ----
    Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG


Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they 
really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great shape. I 
work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances, cars, 
computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts and not 
buying like they did.

It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are 
effected economies through out the world.

In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten it's belt. 
A conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not a good 
thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as 
extravagant.

It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during hurricane 
season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the conference 
maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost and the glitz 
in a bad economy.

Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it probably 
be an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
    Sent: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 
** 
Vegas could be problematic
 
You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
 
How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
 
Warren

 
On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

** 
Kelly,

Thanks for that update. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008 

Subject: Re: 2008 User World 

 

If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) 
you have to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" 
type rules. You can do this by filling out this form - 
http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the 
poster and not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 

    ---- Original Message 
Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<http://tycoelectronics.com/> >
Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

** 

Re: 2008 User World

[Kelly Deaver]

**
I don't understand why Las Vegas is extravagant. It has more cheap flights to it than about anywhere. It does have expensive hotel rooms but it also has very reasonable and yet safe rooms. Go to Travelocity and search for 3-5 star hotels for less than $100 a night. I got 85 hits including the Luxor, Circus Circus, etc. What am I missing?
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 
 Original Message Subject: Re: 2008 User WorldFrom: "Shellman, David" shellman@TYCOELECTRONICS.COM>Date: Wed, September 24, 2008 7:40 pmTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they really decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great shape. I work for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances, cars, computers, phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts and not buying like they did.It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are effected economies through out the world.In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten it's belt. A conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not a good thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as extravagant.It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during hurricane season and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the conference maybe held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost and the glitz in a bad economy.Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it probably be an easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston. Dave - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wireless)

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008Subject: Re: 2008 User World ** 
Vegas could be problematic
 
You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
 
How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
 
Warren 
On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
** 

Kelly,Thanks for that update. Dave - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wireless)

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008 
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 
 

If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type rules. You can do this by filling out this form - http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 
 Original Message Subject: Re: 2008 User WorldFrom: "Shellman, David" shellman@TYCOELECTRONICS.COM>Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pmTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG** 
Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED]with the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
 
Mark Your CalendarsMany of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including dates and locations coming soon! 
Dave
 


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Easter, DavidSent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PMTo:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: 2008 User World 
** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,



 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.
 


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, DavidSent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AMTo:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: 2008 User World 
** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more inf

Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

Where does the drink beer and tequilla fit in :-) I haven't the foggiest about 
playing poker and I'm not even kidding! I do get lucky on those slot machines 
though..
 
Joe


- Original Message 
From: Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:39:41 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
I've been to both Vegas and Atlantic City.  The good news is that Vegas has 
lots more to do.  The bad news is that Vegas has lots more to do.  Play poker 
or go to breakout session on CMDB?  Play poker... or go to different session on 
CMDB?  (Repeat decision tree).

Rick


On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Joe DeSouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

** 
Was it ever held in NY or NJ? Atlantic City may not be a bad choice either - 
its not quite Vegas but does follow along those lines..
 
Joe



- Original Message 
From: Warren Baltimore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:51:59 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
Vegas could be problematic

You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!

How the heck do we get all of our loot home!

Warren

 
On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
** 
Kelly,

Thanks for that update. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008 

Subject: Re: 2008 User World 

If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to 'opt 
in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type rules. You 
can do this by filling out this form 
- http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 

Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the 
official opinion of BMC)


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

** 
Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED] the 
subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It details what forms 
to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a 
reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
 
Mark Your Calendars
Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that UserWorld 
will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including dates and 
locations coming soon! 

Dave

 


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 ** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this matter.  The 
information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have confirmed with the 
organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at this point.  When an 
official communication goes out, I will certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out - but 
anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,
 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this 
E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary 
participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, 
liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.




From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 ** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on the 
web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 ** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

** 
Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look forward 
to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
Dave 
Dave Shellman 
Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:    (717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
TycoElectronics 
MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607

Re: 2008 User World

[Rick Cook]

I've been to both Vegas and Atlantic City.  The good news is that Vegas has
lots more to do.  The bad news is that Vegas has lots more to do.  Play
poker or go to breakout session on CMDB?  Play poker... or go to different
session on CMDB?  (Repeat decision tree).

Rick

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Joe DeSouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> **
>
> Was it ever held in NY or NJ? Atlantic City may not be a bad choice either
> - its not quite Vegas but does follow along those lines..
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Warren Baltimore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:51:59 PM
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>
> ** Vegas could be problematic
>
> You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
>
> How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
>
> Warren
>
>
> On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> Thanks for that update.
>> Dave
>> -
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (Wireless)
>>
>> ------
>> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>> *To*: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>> *Sent*: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008
>> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>>
>>  If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to
>> 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type
>> rules. You can do this by filling out this form -
>> http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644
>>
>> Kelly Deaver
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and
>> not the official opinion of BMC)
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
>> From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://tycoelectronics.com/>
>> >
>> Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
>> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>>
>> ** Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement
>> Process."  It details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts,
>> etc.
>>
>> I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a
>> reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
>>
>> Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
>>
>> Mark Your Calendars
>> Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that
>> UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including
>> dates and locations coming soon!
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Easter,
>> David
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
>> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>>
>>
>> ** FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
>> matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
>> confirmed with the organizers that the information here is *NOT*confirmed at 
>> this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will
>> certainly again update this community.
>>
>> Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out
>> - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -David J. Easter
>> Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
>> BMC Software, Inc.
>>
>> The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in
>> this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My
>> voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a
>> spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software,
>> Inc.
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
>> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
>> David
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
>> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>>
>>
>> ** No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
>>
>> The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
>> the web site by the end of the week.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>  --
>> *From:*Action R

Re: 2008 User World

[Joe DeSouza]

Was it ever held in NY or NJ? Atlantic City may not be a bad choice either - 
its not quite Vegas but does follow along those lines..
 
Joe



- Original Message 
From: Warren Baltimore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:51:59 PM
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

** 
Vegas could be problematic

You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!

How the heck do we get all of our loot home!

Warren

 
On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
** 
Kelly,

Thanks for that update. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008 

Subject: Re: 2008 User World 

If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to 'opt 
in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type rules. You 
can do this by filling out this form 
- http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 

Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the 
official opinion of BMC)


 Original Message ----
Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

** 
Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED] the 
subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It details what forms 
to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a 
reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
 
Mark Your Calendars
Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that UserWorld 
will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including dates and 
locations coming soon! 

Dave

 


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 ** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this matter.  The 
information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have confirmed with the 
organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at this point.  When an 
official communication goes out, I will certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out - but 
anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,
 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this 
E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary 
participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, 
liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.




From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 ** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on the 
web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 ** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

** 
Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look forward 
to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
Dave 
Dave Shellman 
Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:    (717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
TycoElectronics 
MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607




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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

Vegas could be problematic. Maybe BMC will listen to this before they really 
decide. As others have pointed out, the economy is not in great shape. I work 
for a company that manufacturers connectors for appliances, cars, computers, 
phones, power lines, etc. People are tightening their belts and not buying like 
they did.

It also not just in the US. The events over the last few weeks are effected 
economies through out the world.

In response, Tyco Electronics is looking at ways to tighten it's belt. A 
conference in Vegas when the economy continues to slow down is not a good 
thing. My asking to attend a conference in Vegas may be frowned upon as 
extravagant.

It maybe similar to scheduling a conference in Florida during hurricane season 
and in a hotel that's going to be renovated. In this case the conference maybe 
held but the technical folks can't come because of the cost and the glitz in a 
bad economy.

Then again we may get lucky and the economy pick up. For me it probably be an 
easier sell if it were in San Francisco or Houston. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 19:51:59 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 


** 
Vegas could be problematic
 
You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!
 
How the heck do we get all of our loot home!
 
Warren

 
On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

** 

Kelly,

Thanks for that update. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)




From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008 

    Subject: Re: 2008 User World 





If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have 
to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type 
rules. You can do this by filling out this form - 
http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and 
not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 

 Original Message ----
    Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<http://tycoelectronics.com/> >
Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

** 
Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It 
details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was 
given a reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is 
below:
 
Mark Your Calendars
Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you 
know that UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details 
including dates and locations coming soon! 

Dave

 


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World

 
** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on 
this matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have 
confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at 
this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will certainly again 
update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone 
did go out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,


 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action 
expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc. 
 My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a 
spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.

Re: 2008 User World

[Warren Baltimore]

Vegas could be problematic

You know what they say, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas!

How the heck do we get all of our loot home!

Warren


On 9/24/08, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> **
>
> Kelly,
>
> Thanks for that update.
> Dave
> -
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Wireless)
>
> --
> *From*: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> *To*: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Sent*: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008
> *Subject*: Re: 2008 User World
>
>  If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to
> 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type
> rules. You can do this by filling out this form -
> http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644
>
> Kelly Deaver
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not
> the official opinion of BMC)
>
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: 2008 User World
> From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]<http://tycoelectronics.com/>
> >
> Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
>
> ** Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It details what
> forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
>
> I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a
> reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
>
> Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
>
> Mark Your Calendars
> Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that
> UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including
> dates and locations coming soon!
> Dave
>
>
>  ------
> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Easter,
> David
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
>
> ** FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
> matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
> confirmed with the organizers that the information here is *NOT* confirmed
> at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will certainly
> again update this community.
>
> Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out -
> but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
>
> Thanks,
>
> -David J. Easter
> Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
> BMC Software, Inc.
>
> The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in
> this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My
> voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a
> spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software,
> Inc.
>
>
>  --
> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Shellman,
> David
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
>
> ** No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
>
> The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
> the web site by the end of the week.
>
> Dave
>
>  --
> *From:*Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [
> mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG ] *On Behalf Of *Rick Cook
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
> *To:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
>
> ** So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
> guess...
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> ** Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look
>> forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
>> Dave
>> Dave Shellman
>> Phone:  (717) 810-3687
>> Fax:(717) 810-2124
>> email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Tyco** Electronics*
>> MS 161-043
>> PO Box 3608
>> Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607
>>
>>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

** 

Kelly,

Thanks for that update. 
Dave 
- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(Wireless)



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG 
Sent: Wed Sep 24 07:47:43 2008
Subject: Re: 2008 User World 


If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to 'opt 
in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type rules. You 
can do this by filling out this form - 
http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the 
official opinion of BMC)
 
 

 Original Message 
    Subject: Re: 2008 User World
From: "Shellman, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pm
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG

** 
Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It details what 
forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a 
reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
 
Mark Your Calendars
Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that 
UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including dates 
and locations coming soon! 

Dave



From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this 
matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have confirmed 
with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at this point.  
When an official communication goes out, I will certainly again update this 
community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go 
out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,


 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed 
in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My 
voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a 
spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.
 



From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted 
on the web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I 
guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
    

    ** 
Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US 
version).  Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
Dave 
Dave Shellman 
Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:(717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Tyco Electronics 
MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607 

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Re: 2008 User World

[Kelly Deaver]

**
If you want to be kept informed on the saga of User World(s) you have to 'opt in' to get email. This is a requirement to meet the "no spam" type rules. You can do this by filling out this form - http://www.bmc.com/webforms/webforms.cfm?template=3644 
 
Kelly Deaver
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Yes, I work for BMC. This post reflects the opinions of the poster and not the official opinion of BMC)
 
 
 Original Message Subject: Re: 2008 User WorldFrom: "Shellman, David" shellman@TYCOELECTRONICS.COM>Date: Tue, September 23, 2008 6:23 pmTo: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG** 
Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED]with the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
 
Mark Your CalendarsMany of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including dates and locations coming soon! 
Dave



From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Easter, DavidSent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PMTo:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: 2008 User World
** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,



 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.
 


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, DavidSent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AMTo:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: 2008 User World
** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on the web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave


From:Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick CookSent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AMTo:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGSubject: Re: 2008 User World
** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I guess...Rick
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
** 

Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
Dave 
Dave Shellman 
Phone:  (717) 810-3687 Fax:    (717) 810-2124 email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

Hmmm.  It appears I just got an "official email" from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the subject of "BMC UserWorld Miami Reimbursement Process."  It
details what forms to fill out, where to send the receipts, etc.
 
I spoke with another person that had registered and she was given a
reimbursement process 2 weeks ago.
 
Just as FYI, the last paragraph of the "official email" is below:
 
Mark Your Calendars
Many of you have been asking, and we are pleased to let you know that
UserWorld will be held in October 2009. Look for more details including
dates and locations coming soon! 

Dave



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed
at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will
certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go
out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,
 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed
in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.
My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a
role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for
BMC Software, Inc.
 



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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
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Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
the web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


** 

    Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).
Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.

Dave 

Dave Shellman 

Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:(717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607 


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Re: 2008 User World

[Susan Palmer]

Gee Dave, you get all the emails first ... you must be a 'favorite' !!

So we miss a whole year.  Probably right to consider whether companies would
budget for two trips in a year.

So what about all the new information that should have been presented.  It's
hard to talk about this without resentment and disallusionment.

I guess it will make our regional meetings more important.  Maybe we'll get
more active participation by engineering in those.

At least it's not Vegas in July !  Although this site was probably booked
last year.  Hoping the hotel is not under renovation construction ... lol
... RED flag.

Sorry for rambling on ... you look forward to something ... look forward to
what you're going to learn ... look forward to an injection of excitement
for the product  it all feels so empty ... about the same after nearly a
year of darkness back in whatever year it was.

Susan



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Shellman, David <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> **
>
> Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look
> forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Shellman
>
> Phone:  (717) 810-3687
> Fax:(717) 810-2124
> email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> *Tyco** Electronics*
> MS 161-043
> PO Box 3608
> Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

Just call me Carnac.
 
Dave



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed
at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will
certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go
out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,
 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed
in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.
My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a
role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for
BMC Software, Inc.
 



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
the web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


** 

Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).
Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.

Dave 

Dave Shellman 

Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:(717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Tyco Electronics 
MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607 


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Re: 2008 User World

[Rick Cook]

Thanks, David.  Could the Powers-That-Be be encouraged to give us an update
on a EuroBUW, if there is to be one, in 2009 as well?  I thought I heard it
was to be in France in late May, but that's apparently also unofficial.  I
may want to go there as part of a vacation.

Rick

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Easter, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> ** FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
> matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
> confirmed with the organizers that the information here is *NOT* confirmed
> at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will certainly
> again update this community.
>
> Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go out -
> but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
>
> Thanks,
>
> -David J. Easter
> Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
> BMC Software, Inc.
>
> The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in
> this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My
> voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a
> spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software,
> Inc.
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, David
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
> ** No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
>
> The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
> the web site by the end of the week.
>
> Dave
>
>  --
> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Cook
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: 2008 User World
>
> ** So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
> guess...
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look
>> forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Dave Shellman
>>
>> Phone:  (717) 810-3687
>> Fax:(717) 810-2124
>> email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> *Tyco** Electronics*
>> MS 161-043
>> PO Box 3608
>> Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607
>>
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>
>
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Re: 2008 User World

[Easter, David]

FYI - there have been no official communications sent out on this
matter.  The information here is, at this time, speculation.  I have
confirmed with the organizers that the information here is NOT confirmed
at this point.  When an official communication goes out, I will
certainly again update this community.
 
Not calling anyone a liar - I'm sure some message from someone did go
out - but anything sent/received is not conformed and not official..
 
Thanks,
 
-David J. Easter
Sr. Product Manager, Solution Strategy and Development
BMC Software, Inc.
 
The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed
in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.
My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a
role as a spokesperson, liaison or public relations representative for
BMC Software, Inc.
 



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:22 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
the web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


** 

Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).
Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.

Dave 

Dave Shellman 

Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:(717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Tyco Electronics 
MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607 


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Re: 2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

No 2008 BUW.  Those that registered are to get refunds.
 
The email I received noted that there will be more information posted on
the web site by the end of the week.
 
Dave



From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:19 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 2008 User World


** 
So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
guess...

Rick


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


** 

Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).
Look forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.

Dave 

Dave Shellman 

Phone:  (717) 810-3687 
Fax:(717) 810-2124 
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Tyco Electronics 
MS 161-043 
PO Box 3608 
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607 


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Re: 2008 User World

[Rick Cook]

So there will be NO 2008 BUW?  Or did they say?  It is a bit late, I
guess...

Rick

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Shellman, David <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> **
>
> Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look
> forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.
>
> Dave
>
> Dave Shellman
>
> Phone:  (717) 810-3687
> Fax:(717) 810-2124
> email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> *Tyco** Electronics*
> MS 161-043
> PO Box 3608
> Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607
>
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2008 User World

[Shellman, David]

Just received an update concerning 2008 User World (US version).  Look
forward to 2009 User World in Vegas next October.

Dave

Dave Shellman

Phone:  (717) 810-3687
Fax:(717) 810-2124
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tyco Electronics
MS 161-043
PO Box 3608
Harrisburg, PA 17105-3607



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