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Hi listers Concerning the enhanced search, I suggest you have a look at our tool. It does all what Jose said about that and even more. You can download an evaluation version for free from www.arsmarts.com Additionally, we just started the 2.8 beta version this morning. ARSmarts 2.8 has full support of overlays. Support From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: vendredi 30 mars 2012 11:15 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 15:55, Guillaume Rheault wrote: ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer
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Hello, The next step for DevStudio is a real time debugger, allowing adminstrators to remotely connect to an AR System instance and debug server side workflow with the same level of transparency afforded to other programming technologies. To compliment this huge leap forward, the client side will be running nicely formatted Javascript, served from the output of converting database (but in reality, memory) based storage of workflow into Javascript files. John ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: DevStudio Tool
I actually asked a related question last RUG, the ability to scan from a 3 dimensional bar code and have the information populated in the appropriate field, as I do feel it would be a useful asset type code where you develop a bar code using various parameters and have a lot of information scan-able to cut down data entry time - and hopefully improve accuracy of data that resulted from typos.. Joe From: Easter, David Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:19 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Personally, I think the discussion has been great so far – but what hasn’t come up yet are ideas around what I think will be the biggest next step in Developer Studio… getting it to work well on smartphones like the iPhone or the newly redesigned RAZR. I’ve been talking to some of our big customers and they all seem to be saying the same thing – the trend toward “OOTB” applications is declining, so they want to make their environments as unique as possible as quickly as possible. Being able to modify workflow and processes on-the-fly from a remote location with minimal (or no) review from a Change Approval Board (CAB) will ensure that one person’s opinion can instantly be realized across a broad set of end users in all facets the company. Getting Dev Studio as mobile as possible would be a way to meet that business need. To be able to do this, Dev Studio would need to become even simpler to use. Since the screen is going to be pretty small for development, one idea is to integrate closely with voice recognition systems like Siri. As Siri’s database of recognized terms increases, it should be possible for Siri to recognize 5GL programming statements, thus reducing the programming knowledge needed to make changes to an app even further. For example, one should be able just to say “Siri – Add a field to track number of abandoned tickets between the Company Name field and the Price field” or “Add a qualification to the filter on the Priority field to reduce the number entered by one if a submitter is in the ‘Director or higher’ permission group”. That way, you wouldn’t even need a GUI - so the issues around getting Dev Studio to fit on a screen become moot. I’m pretty sure that other smartphone vendors will be copying Siri’s concept pretty soon, so that the implementation can be cross platform. For those that do want to use a GUI, I was thinking that the accelerometer could be really good for getting a field into the right location on the screen. Just tip the smartphone in the direction you want to move the field and it will “bump” into other fields, moving them out of the way and making room for your new field. Then just tap the phone gently to get it back into the right location and then save your work. Want to delete a field? Just select it and then shake the phone like a whip to “throw” it out of the display. The camera is really useful as well. For example, when end users find a GUI that has the look and feel that they want for your remedy app, I was thinking they could just use the camera to “scan” that UI and send it back to AR System. Then Dev Studio would automatically rework the application to use the same color scheme, icons, fonts, etc. It could create a different view for every scan that was submitted, enabling every user to have their own personalized “skin” for your standardized enterprise business application. I’m not exactly sure how to use the GPS function yet, but perhaps the Remedy Developer’s location could be tracked real-time. That way when the developer is moving around and they get close to someone who has ideas of how to change the application, an alert could be immediately sent to the developer – giving them a chance to stop by the idea-person’s cube to discuss that person’s latest opinions on what could be done to improve the app. Since Dev Studio would be mobile, those changes could be put in place right away – increasing end-user satisfaction. Anyway, I’m sure all of these concepts can be further discussed at the WWRUG12 panel, which is coming pretty soon. Today being April 1st, that’s only about 6 ½ months away. -David J. Easter Manager of Product Management, Remedy Platform BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc or reality. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison, prankster or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 6:49 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter
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CanOfWorms=open ;) On Apr 1, 2012 10:23 AM, "Shellman, David" wrote: > ** > It was a good one. Yet it makes one think that having Developer Studio > run in a tablet environment would be a nice concept. > > Dave > > On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "arslist" wrote: > > ** > > Based on the GPS you could also tell the Developers just how lost they are. > > > ** ** > > You can use the Bluetooth to link to any handy screen, say you are at a > film in an IMAX theatre, > > just about big enough to see what you are doing without using the NASA > wall of screens J > > ** ** > > Nice one David, happy April Fools Day! > > ** ** > > Daniel > > ** ** > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Easter, David > *Sent:* April 1, 2012 10:20 AM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** ** > > ** > > Personally, I think the discussion has been great so far – but what hasn’t > come up yet are ideas around what I think will be the biggest next step in > Developer Studio… getting it to work well on smartphones like the iPhone or > the newly redesigned RAZR. I’ve been talking to some of our big customers > and they all seem to be saying the same thing – the trend toward “OOTB” > applications is declining, so they want to make their environments as > unique as possible as quickly as possible. Being able to modify workflow > and processes on-the-fly from a remote location with minimal (or no) review > from a Change Approval Board (CAB) will ensure that one person’s opinion > can instantly be realized across a broad set of end users in all facets the > company. Getting Dev Studio as mobile as possible would be a way to meet > that business need. > > ** ** > > To be able to do this, Dev Studio would need to become even simpler to > use. Since the screen is going to be pretty small for development, one > idea is to integrate closely with voice recognition systems like Siri. As > Siri’s database of recognized terms increases, it should be possible for > Siri to recognize 5GL programming statements, thus reducing the programming > knowledge needed to make changes to an app even further. For example, one > should be able just to say “Siri – Add a field to track number of abandoned > tickets between the Company Name field and the Price field” or “Add a > qualification to the filter on the Priority field to reduce the number > entered by one if a submitter is in the ‘Director or higher’ permission > group”. That way, you wouldn’t even need a GUI - so the issues around > getting Dev Studio to fit on a screen become moot. I’m pretty sure that > other smartphone vendors will be copying Siri’s concept pretty soon, so > that the implementation can be cross platform. > > ** ** > > For those that do want to use a GUI, I was thinking that the accelerometer > could be really good for getting a field into the right location on the > screen. Just tip the smartphone in the direction you want to move the > field and it will “bump” into other fields, moving them out of the way and > making room for your new field. Then just tap the phone gently to get it > back into the right location and then save your work. Want to delete a > field? Just select it and then shake the phone like a whip to “throw” it > out of the display. > > ** ** > > The camera is really useful as well. For example, when end users find a > GUI that has the look and feel that they want for your remedy app, I was > thinking they could just use the camera to “scan” that UI and send it back > to AR System. Then Dev Studio would automatically rework the application > to use the same color scheme, icons, fonts, etc. It could create a > different view for every scan that was submitted, enabling every user to > have their own personalized “skin” for your standardized enterprise > business application. > > ** ** > > I’m not exactly sure how to use the GPS function yet, but perhaps the > Remedy Developer’s location could be tracked real-time. That way when the > developer is moving around and they get close to someone who has ideas of > how to change the application, an alert could be immediately sent to the > developer – giving them a chance to stop by the idea-person’s cube to > discuss that person’s latest opinions on what could be done to improve the > app. Since Dev Studio would be mobile, those changes could be put in place > right away – increasing end-user satisfaction. > > ** ** > > Anyway, I’m sure all of these concepts can be further discussed at the > WWRUG12 panel, which is coming pr
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It was a good one. Yet it makes one think that having Developer Studio run in a tablet environment would be a nice concept. Dave On Apr 1, 2012, at 12:41 PM, "arslist" mailto:arsl...@danielbloom.ca>> wrote: ** Based on the GPS you could also tell the Developers just how lost they are. You can use the Bluetooth to link to any handy screen, say you are at a film in an IMAX theatre, just about big enough to see what you are doing without using the NASA wall of screens ☺ Nice one David, happy April Fools Day! Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Easter, David Sent: April 1, 2012 10:20 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Personally, I think the discussion has been great so far – but what hasn’t come up yet are ideas around what I think will be the biggest next step in Developer Studio… getting it to work well on smartphones like the iPhone or the newly redesigned RAZR. I’ve been talking to some of our big customers and they all seem to be saying the same thing – the trend toward “OOTB” applications is declining, so they want to make their environments as unique as possible as quickly as possible. Being able to modify workflow and processes on-the-fly from a remote location with minimal (or no) review from a Change Approval Board (CAB) will ensure that one person’s opinion can instantly be realized across a broad set of end users in all facets the company. Getting Dev Studio as mobile as possible would be a way to meet that business need. To be able to do this, Dev Studio would need to become even simpler to use. Since the screen is going to be pretty small for development, one idea is to integrate closely with voice recognition systems like Siri. As Siri’s database of recognized terms increases, it should be possible for Siri to recognize 5GL programming statements, thus reducing the programming knowledge needed to make changes to an app even further. For example, one should be able just to say “Siri – Add a field to track number of abandoned tickets between the Company Name field and the Price field” or “Add a qualification to the filter on the Priority field to reduce the number entered by one if a submitter is in the ‘Director or higher’ permission group”. That way, you wouldn’t even need a GUI - so the issues around getting Dev Studio to fit on a screen become moot. I’m pretty sure that other smartphone vendors will be copying Siri’s concept pretty soon, so that the implementation can be cross platform. For those that do want to use a GUI, I was thinking that the accelerometer could be really good for getting a field into the right location on the screen. Just tip the smartphone in the direction you want to move the field and it will “bump” into other fields, moving them out of the way and making room for your new field. Then just tap the phone gently to get it back into the right location and then save your work. Want to delete a field? Just select it and then shake the phone like a whip to “throw” it out of the display. The camera is really useful as well. For example, when end users find a GUI that has the look and feel that they want for your remedy app, I was thinking they could just use the camera to “scan” that UI and send it back to AR System. Then Dev Studio would automatically rework the application to use the same color scheme, icons, fonts, etc. It could create a different view for every scan that was submitted, enabling every user to have their own personalized “skin” for your standardized enterprise business application. I’m not exactly sure how to use the GPS function yet, but perhaps the Remedy Developer’s location could be tracked real-time. That way when the developer is moving around and they get close to someone who has ideas of how to change the application, an alert could be immediately sent to the developer – giving them a chance to stop by the idea-person’s cube to discuss that person’s latest opinions on what could be done to improve the app. Since Dev Studio would be mobile, those changes could be put in place right away – increasing end-user satisfaction. Anyway, I’m sure all of these concepts can be further discussed at the WWRUG12 panel, which is coming pretty soon. Today being April 1st, that’s only about 6 ½ months away. -David J. Easter Manager of Product Management, Remedy Platform BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc or reality. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison, prankster or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]<mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]> On Behal
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Based on the GPS you could also tell the Developers just how lost they are. You can use the Bluetooth to link to any handy screen, say you are at a film in an IMAX theatre, just about big enough to see what you are doing without using the NASA wall of screens J Nice one David, happy April Fools Day! Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Easter, David Sent: April 1, 2012 10:20 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Personally, I think the discussion has been great so far but what hasnt come up yet are ideas around what I think will be the biggest next step in Developer Studio getting it to work well on smartphones like the iPhone or the newly redesigned RAZR. Ive been talking to some of our big customers and they all seem to be saying the same thing the trend toward OOTB applications is declining, so they want to make their environments as unique as possible as quickly as possible. Being able to modify workflow and processes on-the-fly from a remote location with minimal (or no) review from a Change Approval Board (CAB) will ensure that one persons opinion can instantly be realized across a broad set of end users in all facets the company. Getting Dev Studio as mobile as possible would be a way to meet that business need. To be able to do this, Dev Studio would need to become even simpler to use. Since the screen is going to be pretty small for development, one idea is to integrate closely with voice recognition systems like Siri. As Siris database of recognized terms increases, it should be possible for Siri to recognize 5GL programming statements, thus reducing the programming knowledge needed to make changes to an app even further. For example, one should be able just to say Siri Add a field to track number of abandoned tickets between the Company Name field and the Price field or Add a qualification to the filter on the Priority field to reduce the number entered by one if a submitter is in the Director or higher permission group. That way, you wouldnt even need a GUI - so the issues around getting Dev Studio to fit on a screen become moot. Im pretty sure that other smartphone vendors will be copying Siris concept pretty soon, so that the implementation can be cross platform. For those that do want to use a GUI, I was thinking that the accelerometer could be really good for getting a field into the right location on the screen. Just tip the smartphone in the direction you want to move the field and it will bump into other fields, moving them out of the way and making room for your new field. Then just tap the phone gently to get it back into the right location and then save your work. Want to delete a field? Just select it and then shake the phone like a whip to throw it out of the display. The camera is really useful as well. For example, when end users find a GUI that has the look and feel that they want for your remedy app, I was thinking they could just use the camera to scan that UI and send it back to AR System. Then Dev Studio would automatically rework the application to use the same color scheme, icons, fonts, etc. It could create a different view for every scan that was submitted, enabling every user to have their own personalized skin for your standardized enterprise business application. Im not exactly sure how to use the GPS function yet, but perhaps the Remedy Developers location could be tracked real-time. That way when the developer is moving around and they get close to someone who has ideas of how to change the application, an alert could be immediately sent to the developer giving them a chance to stop by the idea-persons cube to discuss that persons latest opinions on what could be done to improve the app. Since Dev Studio would be mobile, those changes could be put in place right away increasing end-user satisfaction. Anyway, Im sure all of these concepts can be further discussed at the WWRUG12 panel, which is coming pretty soon. Today being April 1st, thats only about 6 ½ months away. -David J. Easter Manager of Product Management, Remedy Platform BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc or reality. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison, prankster or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 6:49 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter monitors the ARS list, so maybe he can chime in on what he thinks about this Guillaume
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Personally, I think the discussion has been great so far - but what hasn't come up yet are ideas around what I think will be the biggest next step in Developer Studio... getting it to work well on smartphones like the iPhone or the newly redesigned RAZR. I've been talking to some of our big customers and they all seem to be saying the same thing - the trend toward "OOTB" applications is declining, so they want to make their environments as unique as possible as quickly as possible. Being able to modify workflow and processes on-the-fly from a remote location with minimal (or no) review from a Change Approval Board (CAB) will ensure that one person's opinion can instantly be realized across a broad set of end users in all facets the company. Getting Dev Studio as mobile as possible would be a way to meet that business need. To be able to do this, Dev Studio would need to become even simpler to use. Since the screen is going to be pretty small for development, one idea is to integrate closely with voice recognition systems like Siri. As Siri's database of recognized terms increases, it should be possible for Siri to recognize 5GL programming statements, thus reducing the programming knowledge needed to make changes to an app even further. For example, one should be able just to say "Siri - Add a field to track number of abandoned tickets between the Company Name field and the Price field" or "Add a qualification to the filter on the Priority field to reduce the number entered by one if a submitter is in the 'Director or higher' permission group". That way, you wouldn't even need a GUI - so the issues around getting Dev Studio to fit on a screen become moot. I'm pretty sure that other smartphone vendors will be copying Siri's concept pretty soon, so that the implementation can be cross platform. For those that do want to use a GUI, I was thinking that the accelerometer could be really good for getting a field into the right location on the screen. Just tip the smartphone in the direction you want to move the field and it will "bump" into other fields, moving them out of the way and making room for your new field. Then just tap the phone gently to get it back into the right location and then save your work. Want to delete a field? Just select it and then shake the phone like a whip to "throw" it out of the display. The camera is really useful as well. For example, when end users find a GUI that has the look and feel that they want for your remedy app, I was thinking they could just use the camera to "scan" that UI and send it back to AR System. Then Dev Studio would automatically rework the application to use the same color scheme, icons, fonts, etc. It could create a different view for every scan that was submitted, enabling every user to have their own personalized "skin" for your standardized enterprise business application. I'm not exactly sure how to use the GPS function yet, but perhaps the Remedy Developer's location could be tracked real-time. That way when the developer is moving around and they get close to someone who has ideas of how to change the application, an alert could be immediately sent to the developer - giving them a chance to stop by the idea-person's cube to discuss that person's latest opinions on what could be done to improve the app. Since Dev Studio would be mobile, those changes could be put in place right away - increasing end-user satisfaction. Anyway, I'm sure all of these concepts can be further discussed at the WWRUG12 panel, which is coming pretty soon. Today being April 1st, that's only about 6 ½ months away. -David J. Easter Manager of Product Management, Remedy Platform BMC Software, Inc. The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc or reality. My voluntary participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, liaison, prankster or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 6:49 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter monitors the ARS list, so maybe he can chime in on what he thinks about this Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:14 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point
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We wont say a word :-) From: arslist Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:35 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I have someone picking up a couple of cases of Arrogant Bastard for me, just don’t tell the hotel J (I asked them first, they can’t get it). Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: March 30, 2012 11:08 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe, Sounds like the WWRUG staff has your number. I'll kick in a beer or two. Dave On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:20 PM, "Jason Miller" wrote: ** Did anybody say there wouldn't be? Although now we are encouraging you to be difficult and make us come after you. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I have someone picking up a couple of cases of Arrogant Bastard for me, just don’t tell the hotel J (I asked them first, they can’t get it). Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David Sent: March 30, 2012 11:08 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe, Sounds like the WWRUG staff has your number. I'll kick in a beer or two. Dave On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:20 PM, "Jason Miller" wrote: ** Did anybody say there wouldn't be? Although now we are encouraging you to be difficult and make us come after you. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Or you should be on the panel J From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer Sent: March 30, 2012 5:26 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think the panel was my idea to begin with, so front row people should also get treats! On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** I'll agree to be a very co-operating victim of kidnap with all that free beer and all going on in the evenings where I'd be held :-) Joe From: Jason Miller <mailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Uh Joe, if you say you're not making it we are going kidnap you and bring you there against your will. You might as well plan on being there :) Jason On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** Yup Dan wrote me that on an offline and its something I'm considering.. Travel may not cost me much as I can leverage my frequent flyer benefits to get 'free' stuff... I'll need to check what is scheduled during that period at the customer site I am at right now.. Joe From: Kemes, Lisa <mailto:lisa.ke...@te.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :) Something to think about! Thanks! Lisa _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer <mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** "Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. " Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio's ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching, they ought to do something about these things.. Joe From: Rod Harris <mailto:r...@smapps.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checkin
Re: DevStudio Tool
Joe, Sounds like the WWRUG staff has your number. I'll kick in a beer or two. Dave On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:20 PM, "Jason Miller" mailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com>> wrote: ** Did anybody say there wouldn't be? Although now we are encouraging you to be difficult and make us come after you. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org<http://www.arslist.org> attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com<http://www.wwrug12.com> ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com<http://www.wwrug.com> ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: DevStudio Tool
No classes, no internet. Just imagination & creativitykind of like Remedy :-) Maybe I can male Sushi in the back of the room while you present on DS. I am sure I won't be able to keep quiet if I am in the room anyway! Happy Friday, Everyone. Sent from my Android phone - autocorrect mistakes are Google's fault ! :-) - Reply message - From: "Joe Martin D'Souza" Date: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 9:20 pm Subject: DevStudio Tool To: You’re my best friend! I bought a sushi kit, yet to try to make any.. Did you learn to make it yourself? Or did you go for some cooking classes? I saw a few online video’s to learn to DIY and it looks pretty simple.. Got to love the internet.. Learnt today to clean my camera SLR sensors – something that a decade ago I might have spent 100 dollars to get done at a shop.. Joe From: bauti...@bullcreek.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:34 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I make Sushi. Rolls, Nigiri, Sashimi, etc. Sent from my Android phone - autocorrect mistakes are Google's fault ! :-) - Reply message - From: "Joe Martin D'Souza" Date: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 4:01 pm Subject: DevStudio Tool To: This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: DevStudio Tool
You’re my best friend! I bought a sushi kit, yet to try to make any.. Did you learn to make it yourself? Or did you go for some cooking classes? I saw a few online video’s to learn to DIY and it looks pretty simple.. Got to love the internet.. Learnt today to clean my camera SLR sensors – something that a decade ago I might have spent 100 dollars to get done at a shop.. Joe From: bauti...@bullcreek.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 7:34 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I make Sushi. Rolls, Nigiri, Sashimi, etc. Sent from my Android phone - autocorrect mistakes are Google's fault ! :-) - Reply message - From: "Joe Martin D'Souza" Date: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 4:01 pm Subject: DevStudio Tool To: This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I make Sushi. Rolls, Nigiri, Sashimi, etc. Sent from my Android phone - autocorrect mistakes are Google's fault ! :-) - Reply message - From: "Joe Martin D'Souza" Date: Fri, Mar 30, 2012 4:01 pm Subject: DevStudio Tool To: This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
Re: DevStudio Tool
There's always Twinkies. On Mar 30, 2012, at 5:26 PM, "Susan Palmer" mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com>> wrote: ** I think the panel was my idea to begin with, so front row people should also get treats! On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: ** I’ll agree to be a very co-operating victim of kidnap with all that free beer and all going on in the evenings where I’d be held :-) Joe From: Jason Miller<mailto:jason.mil...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:17 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Uh Joe, if you say you're not making it we are going kidnap you and bring you there against your will. You might as well plan on being there :) Jason On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: ** Yup Dan wrote me that on an offline and its something I’m considering.. Travel may not cost me much as I can leverage my frequent flyer benefits to get ‘free’ stuff... I’ll need to check what is scheduled during that period at the customer site I am at right now.. Joe From: Kemes, Lisa<mailto:lisa.ke...@te.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :) Something to think about! Thanks! Lisa From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer<mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: ** “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching, they ought to do something about these things.. Joe From: Rod Harris<mailto:r...@smapps.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to
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I think the panel was my idea to begin with, so front row people should also get treats! On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > ** > > I’ll agree to be a very co-operating victim of kidnap with all that free > beer and all going on in the evenings where I’d be held :-) > > Joe > > *From:* Jason Miller > *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 4:17 PM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** Uh Joe, if you say you're not making it we are going kidnap you and > bring you there against your will. You might as well plan on being there > :) > > Jason > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > >> ** >> >> Yup Dan wrote me that on an offline and its something I’m considering.. >> Travel may not cost me much as I can leverage my frequent flyer benefits to >> get ‘free’ stuff... >> >> I’ll need to check what is scheduled during that period at the customer >> site I am at right now.. >> >> Joe >> >> *From:* Kemes, Lisa >> *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM >> *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> ** >> You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! >> :) >> >> Something to think about! >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Lisa >> >> >> -- >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Joe Martin D'Souza >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> ** >> Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how >> to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with >> the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. >> >> Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer >> majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer >> session in the end.. >> >> Joe >> >> *From:* Susan Palmer >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM >> *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I >> think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking >> about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the >> slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes >> 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. >> >> I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points >> already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from >> the crowd. >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: >> >>> ** >>> >>> “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default >>> heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run >>> Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ >>> Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There >>> are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can >>> adjust your heap size. >>> >>> I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after >>> what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time >>> you select it, it sticks... >>> >>> So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy >>> too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be >>> overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is >>> watching, they ought to do something about these things.. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> *From:* Rod Harris >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM >>> *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general >>> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >>> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >>> >>> ** >>> Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, >>> >>> I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never >>> consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high >>> resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the >
Re: DevStudio Tool
Did anybody say there wouldn't be? Although now we are encouraging you to be difficult and make us come after you. On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and > sushi at the kidnapping party! > > -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > > I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. > __**__** > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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This is fun! Would be more fun if there was beer and/or warm saki and sushi at the kidnapping party! -Original Message- From: Carin Grobler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I'll be part of the kidnapping ring.. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I’ll agree to be a very co-operating victim of kidnap with all that free beer
and all going on in the evenings where I’d be held :-)
Joe
From: Jason Miller
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:17 PM
Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
** Uh Joe, if you say you're not making it we are going kidnap you and bring
you there against your will. You might as well plan on being there :)
Jason
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote:
**
Yup Dan wrote me that on an offline and its something I’m considering..
Travel may not cost me much as I can leverage my frequent flyer benefits to get
‘free’ stuff...
I’ll need to check what is scheduled during that period at the customer site
I am at right now..
Joe
From: Kemes, Lisa
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM
Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
**
You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :)
Something to think about!
Thanks!
Lisa
--
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
**
Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to
type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the
Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views..
Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer
majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session
in the end..
Joe
From: Susan Palmer
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM
Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I
think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking
about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides,
we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations'
but maybe this would be an option for this type of group.
I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already
mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd.
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote:
**
“Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap
settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio.
Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “
Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are
more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can adjust
your heap size.
I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after
what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you
select it, it sticks...
So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy
too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be
overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching,
they ought to do something about these things..
Joe
From: Rod Harris
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM
Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
**
Hi Dan, Joe and everyone,
I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never
consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high
resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default
there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio.
My favourites are:
1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or
by name to find the field you need quickly.
2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable
you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have
captured all of the impacts.
3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or
anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to
do a bulk update.
4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially
now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the
early 7.5 releases
The bad things
1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default
heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run
Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less.
2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow
keys. This feature i
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Uh Joe, if you say you're not making it we are going kidnap you and bring you there against your will. You might as well plan on being there :) Jason On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > ** > > Yup Dan wrote me that on an offline and its something I’m considering.. > Travel may not cost me much as I can leverage my frequent flyer benefits to > get ‘free’ stuff... > > I’ll need to check what is scheduled during that period at the customer > site I am at right now.. > > Joe > > *From:* Kemes, Lisa > *Sent:* Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** > You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :) > > Something to think about! > > > Thanks! > > Lisa > > > -- > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Joe Martin D'Souza > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** > Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how > to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with > the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. > > Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer > majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer > session in the end.. > > Joe > > *From:* Susan Palmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I > think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking > about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the > slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes > 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. > > I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already > mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the > crowd. > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > >> ** >> >> “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default >> heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run >> Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ >> Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There >> are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can >> adjust your heap size. >> >> I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after >> what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time >> you select it, it sticks... >> >> So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy >> too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be >> overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is >> watching, they ought to do something about these things.. >> >> Joe >> >> *From:* Rod Harris >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM >> *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> ** >> Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, >> >> I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never >> consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high >> resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the >> default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. >> >> My favourites are: >> >> >>1. The *Outline View *and the ability to sort fields by ID or by >>label or by name to find the field you need quickly. >>2. Once you find the field the *show relationships* feature will >>enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident >>that you have captured all of the impacts. >>3. If you need to *bulk change* a whole bunch of fields, active links >>or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties >>page to do a bulk update. >>4. *Autocomplete*, built in help and syntax checking are nice >>especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some >>nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases >> >> The bad things >> >>1. Importing
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Yup Dan wrote me that on an offline and its something I’m considering.. Travel may not cost me much as I can leverage my frequent flyer benefits to get ‘free’ stuff... I’ll need to check what is scheduled during that period at the customer site I am at right now.. Joe From: Kemes, Lisa Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:44 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :) Something to think about! Thanks! Lisa From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching, they ought to do something about these things.. Joe From: Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3.. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Ma
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That being said, one of the best kept secrets of the Texas Remedy User's Group (TRUG) is our "Panel" discussion typically held at the end of the meeting which has always beena big hit. We have had such Remedy Brain Trust participants as Dr. Christopher Strauss, ARnold Noche, and others. Even if we have a presentation from Joe or others, there is always the "Birds of a Feather"(BOF) session series after the Technical/Breakout Sessions at WWRUG where you can sign up to "host" a BOF and use the same rooms, microphones, podium etc. that the sessions do and there is essentially not a 45 minute time limitation as there are in the sessions. Jus' sayin' :-) Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html 512-731-0304 -Original message- From: "Kemes, Lisa" lisa.ke...@te.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:44:47 -0400 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :) > > Something to think about! > > > Thanks! > > Lisa > > > > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIS> > T.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** > Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to t> > ype questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the S> > tudio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. > > Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer maj> > ority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session> > in the end.. > > Joe > > From: Susan Palmer<mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM > Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I th> > ink having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking ab> > out would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides,> > we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentatio> > ns' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. > > I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already > > mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the cro> > wd. > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza > to:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: > ** > > "Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap> > settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstud> > io. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. " > Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are> > more files than just the development studio's ini file where you can adjus> t > your heap size. > > I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after wh> > at seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time yo> > u select it, it sticks... > > So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.> > . But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be ove> > rshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching,> > they ought to do something about these things.. > > Joe > > From: Rod Harris<mailto:r...@smapps.com.au> > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM > Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** > Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, > > I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consi> > der going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high reso> > lution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default th> > ere are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. > > My favourites are: > > > 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or b> > y name to find the field you need quickly. > 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you> > to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you hav> e > captured all of the impacts. > 3. If you need to bulk chan
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You know you get your registration fee taken care of if you present!! :) Something to think about! Thanks! Lisa From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:49 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer<mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: ** "Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. " Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio's ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching, they ought to do something about these things.. Joe From: Rod Harris<mailto:r...@smapps.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.c
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Actually it doesn’t work in 7.6.03.. I just tried it on a form that has some fields not in view.. and when I click the ‘Show Fields Not In Any View’ doesn’t work.. Shows me a blank list when I actually do have fields not in view.. I wonder if it strictly shows fields not in ANY view.. meaning if they are not in any view at all.. In that case I would have liked if it did show fields not in the current view but might be present in other views.. I tried it with a field that is not in ANY view and it does work for that.. so it’s a functionality that looks like is partially implemented.. And by the name of it, its something that BMC can definitely claim to be working as designed.. What Jose was requesting for is the other set of fields as well.. which are not in the current view.. The only property information on these fields that are in other views and not in the current view that could be grayed out or not displayed is view specific information such as positioning.. Joe From: Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:51 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** The WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW works great with 7.6.04 SP2. Not sure if it works well with 7.6.03, so we can scratch that of the list, can't we? From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Joe Martin D'Souza [jdso...@shyle.net] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:46 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that among all your ideas, the one I like best is WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW. And possibly with minimum code change to the DS as it stands right now.. All it would take is instead of populating the Field Properties pane only on clicking on the field, to have the ability to switch that properties pane in a search mode and type out the DB Name of fields not in view, and fetch their properties.. Gray out the areas of properties where fields not in view do not get set any values so the user cannot change those.. Its would be a simple query to the meta-data to fetch that information.. Great idea.. I like it.. Love it actually... Maybe you should submit an RFE for this.. In the RFE the obvious advantage you can state is that you do not have to dirty a form or its view by bringing it in view just to view that fields property. It’s a big seller.. Everyone would benefit by this and not just a small group of people so it should be something that should get a good consideration.. I also like the ONLINE DEBUG. This however has been something that we as a community have been suggesting ever since I was new to this whole Remedy world.. and that’s more than a decade.. If it still hasn’t happened, I don’t see it happening anytime too soon. It must have come on their tables as an RFE 10 times over already and has been turned down or probably deferred indefinitely.. Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:05 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** For ENHANCED SEARCH of filters to any form try the following Make a working list of all directly related items to a form and then use the filtering options against that. Fred From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES:
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Damn!!! I hadn’t seen that.. Like I said I have not read any docs on the new version.. all my knowledge so far is by using it directly.. Thanks for that tip.. One more for the ‘panel’... Joe From: Greg Donalson Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:17 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi, The “Work with fields not in view” can be done today. 1) Open the form that has the field in it that you want to change. 2) Open the Outline (Window -> Show View -> Outline) 3) In the top right, one of the Icons is “Show Fields not in View” 4) Select the field that you would like to change 5) From here, you can Open the Properties (go to Window -> Show View -> Properties) or right-click and Create Overlay 6) Once you open the Properties, you can see all the Properties of that field even though it is not in the view and you can make changes to it. Thanks! Greg From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:49 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter monitors the ARS list, so maybe he can chime in on what he thinks about this Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:14 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 15:55, Guillaume Rheault wrote: ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and r
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The WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW works great with 7.6.04 SP2. Not sure if it works well with 7.6.03, so we can scratch that of the list, can't we? From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Joe Martin D'Souza [jdso...@shyle.net] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:46 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that among all your ideas, the one I like best is WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW. And possibly with minimum code change to the DS as it stands right now.. All it would take is instead of populating the Field Properties pane only on clicking on the field, to have the ability to switch that properties pane in a search mode and type out the DB Name of fields not in view, and fetch their properties.. Gray out the areas of properties where fields not in view do not get set any values so the user cannot change those.. Its would be a simple query to the meta-data to fetch that information.. Great idea.. I like it.. Love it actually... Maybe you should submit an RFE for this.. In the RFE the obvious advantage you can state is that you do not have to dirty a form or its view by bringing it in view just to view that fields property. It’s a big seller.. Everyone would benefit by this and not just a small group of people so it should be something that should get a good consideration.. I also like the ONLINE DEBUG. This however has been something that we as a community have been suggesting ever since I was new to this whole Remedy world.. and that’s more than a decade.. If it still hasn’t happened, I don’t see it happening anytime too soon. It must have come on their tables as an RFE 10 times over already and has been turned down or probably deferred indefinitely.. Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W<mailto:frederick.w.gro...@xo.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:05 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** For ENHANCED SEARCH of filters to any form try the following Make a working list of all directly related items to a form and then use the filtering options against that. Fred From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regar
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AL and Filter properties- Display AL or Filter Guides in which active link or filter belongs In AL and Filter Message actions-Allow alpha numeric values in the Number field Escalations List- Display the interval setting in a column and/or provide a filtering option for interval values or date\times Allow the use of the IN operator Introduce SQL editor formatting to the Run If Qualification Provide a way to store documents in a packing list -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:06 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** For ENHANCED SEARCH of filters to any form try the following Make a working list of all directly related items to a form and then use the filtering options against that. Fred From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 29, 2012 3:55 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta Sent: Th
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thanks for the tip, works great Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Grooms, Frederick W [frederick.w.gro...@xo.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:05 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** For ENHANCED SEARCH of filters to any form try the following Make a working list of all directly related items to a form and then use the filtering options against that. Fred From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 29, 2012 3:55 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] on behalf of Jose Huerta Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot&
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I think that among all your ideas, the one I like best is WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW. And possibly with minimum code change to the DS as it stands right now.. All it would take is instead of populating the Field Properties pane only on clicking on the field, to have the ability to switch that properties pane in a search mode and type out the DB Name of fields not in view, and fetch their properties.. Gray out the areas of properties where fields not in view do not get set any values so the user cannot change those.. Its would be a simple query to the meta-data to fetch that information.. Great idea.. I like it.. Love it actually... Maybe you should submit an RFE for this.. In the RFE the obvious advantage you can state is that you do not have to dirty a form or its view by bringing it in view just to view that fields property. It’s a big seller.. Everyone would benefit by this and not just a small group of people so it should be something that should get a good consideration.. I also like the ONLINE DEBUG. This however has been something that we as a community have been suggesting ever since I was new to this whole Remedy world.. and that’s more than a decade.. If it still hasn’t happened, I don’t see it happening anytime too soon. It must have come on their tables as an RFE 10 times over already and has been turned down or probably deferred indefinitely.. Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:05 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** For ENHANCED SEARCH of filters to any form try the following Make a working list of all directly related items to a form and then use the filtering options against that. Fred From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 29, 2012 3:55 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you ve
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That's actually one of the things the DevStudio makes easy that was much harder in the Admin Tool. It is another one of those tools that you MUST have when working with the ITSM Suite, where MOST of the fields have been hidden in the user-facing forms. Christopher Strauss, Ph.D. Call Tracking Administration Manager University of North Texas Computing & IT Center http://itsm.unt.edu/ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Greg Donalson Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 9:17 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi, The "Work with fields not in view" can be done today. 1) Open the form that has the field in it that you want to change. 2) Open the Outline (Window -> Show View -> Outline) 3) In the top right, one of the Icons is "Show Fields not in View" 4) Select the field that you would like to change 5) From here, you can Open the Properties (go to Window -> Show View -> Properties) or right-click and Create Overlay 6) Once you open the Properties, you can see all the Properties of that field even though it is not in the view and you can make changes to it. Thanks! Greg From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:49 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter monitors the ARS list, so maybe he can chime in on what he thinks about this Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:14 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 15:55, Guillaume Rheault mailto:guilla...@dcshq.com>> wrote: ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation langu
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Hi, The "Work with fields not in view" can be done today. 1) Open the form that has the field in it that you want to change. 2) Open the Outline (Window -> Show View -> Outline) 3) In the top right, one of the Icons is "Show Fields not in View" 4) Select the field that you would like to change 5) From here, you can Open the Properties (go to Window -> Show View -> Properties) or right-click and Create Overlay 6) Once you open the Properties, you can see all the Properties of that field even though it is not in the view and you can make changes to it. Thanks! Greg From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 8:49 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter monitors the ARS list, so maybe he can chime in on what he thinks about this Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:14 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 15:55, Guillaume Rheault mailto:guilla...@dcshq.com>> wrote: ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG&
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For ENHANCED SEARCH of filters to any form try the following Make a working list of all directly related items to a form and then use the filtering options against that. Fred From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jose Huerta Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:15 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Friday, March 29, 2012 3:55 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] on behalf of Jose Huerta Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To
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Hola Jose Thanks for the clarification, you make interesting points. We know that David Easter monitors the ARS list, so maybe he can chime in on what he thinks about this Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 5:14 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 15:55, Guillaume Rheault mailto:guilla...@dcshq.com>> wrote: ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es<mailto:jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es>] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answe
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Guillaume, I know that Remedy development is very different from structured or object programming. But my point is about the quality and possibilities of their development tools. I will explain in detail what I consider essential: ONLINE DEBUG: There is a tool in Remedy that allows you to debug step by step. But it's text based. I want to log in in debug mode, that executes normally. Set breakpoints at some filters. When these filters arrive stop execution, see the fields values at this particular moment, and continue executing filters step by step. If this can be done by text, Why is it not possible to do through dev studio? UNITARY TEST: Configure some actions (like creating a request with some values or call a service action with some values) and program the expected behavior. So when you run the unitary test the system checks it. Maintaining a library of unitary tests on your system and reexecuting them at every change, you get more control. I do it now, with some very complex situations, but I need to use SOAPUI to call a web service and get the response, checking it to see if it is valid. GRAPHICAL ENHANCEMENTS LIKE BLOCKING OR HIDDING: Set some elements in a view and group them in layers. Then you can easily hide a layer, but only when editing. Or you can block a layer, to be sure you can't select it. ENFORCEMENT OF BEST PRACTICES: Have a set of best practices configured (like naming convention) and the system automatically checks them. So if you brake a best practice the system warms you. WORK WITH FIELDS NOT IN VIEW: If you want to reconfigure or change a field that is not present in any view, then you must add it (where you can't search it from the fieldid, only by the name) to a view, change it and remove it again from the view. ENHANCED SEARCH: I can only search elements from one criteria. And the available criteria is not enough. If I want to list all filters with some word in the name that are part of a particular application, this is not possible. If I want to know which filters are used in a particular form, this is not possible (I can only search for the primary form, but not shared). I want to list all filters that use a particular field in the qualification, this is not possible. I have a Remedy form that feeds from the Remedy's data dictionary that can perform all these searches. Under my point of view, the developer studio has the minimum set of feature to allow developing, but it is far from being a good tool. Regards, Jose Huerta http://theremedyforit.com/ On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 15:55, Guillaume Rheault wrote: > ** > Jose, > > I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS > world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language > like java or .net. > The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation > language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. > As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. > > Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th > generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. > We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an > objective and rational comparison. > > So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool > and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share > your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will > incorporate new features in future versions. > > Guillaume > > -- > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all > talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. > But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application > to a bad application. > > Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There > are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of > other development environments like: > > - Online debugging > - Unitary test > - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with > others). > - Enforcement of best practices. > - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links > that can change one particular field? What filters are associated with a > form (not only the main form, but also as a secondary form)? > > It is not a good tool. And the prove of it is that a lot of partners are > providing parallel tools to make things that the developer studio would had > to do. > > I work with a 24" p
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Guillaume, There are some things that we do in Remedy that I think would be easier if you could branch out into a subroutine with some sort of coding language. Basically, what I want is to replicate what is currently being done via plugins called via Run Process actions, and put that natively into ARS in some way. My issue is that as complex things are done (mostly by BMC), they are being dumped into black box mystery applications that we have no access to. I've also had some exposure to other tools that have similar strategies. Several years ago I shared an office with a Siebel developer, and it was interesting to see that they had the ability to do high-level workflow similar to ARS, but he could also do more traditional coding to build things inside of Siebel as well. It was too long ago for me to remember specifics, but I was definitely impressed by it. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Southern Union From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 9:52 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Shawn I think I get your point about "would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System", which if I understand you correctly, it would mean being able to do structural or object oriented programming. This is a common thing, I believe, with tech folks that have knowledge of "real" programming (vs. GUI application development), that get involved in the ARS world. I was like that too, only two years after I graduated from computer engineering, I became a Remedy developer. At the beginning I missed the deep technical challenge that is removed with a high-level GUI app developer tool. But I made peace with that a long time ago and accepted the fact of what ARS is, a very high-level app development environment. From what I have seen, BMC will always keep ARS at that high level, since that was the original intent. So IMHO, ARS is not the right area for tech folks that need their daily deep tech fix complementing that with actual programming like java, .net or other "programming" languages (maybe in other projects that have nothing to do with Remedy or integrations with Remedy, or developing tools or utilities using the Remedy API ) seems the way to go. Just a sugegstion my $0.02 Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Pierson, Shawn [shawn.pier...@sug.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:25 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** When Developer Studio first came out, I was suspicious because it appeared to be part of a huge shift toward making Remedy more Java-like. Consider that Developer Studio is basically just a customized version of Eclipse, which is the IDE quite a few Java developers use, and also keep in mind how many additional plugins have been added over the years mostly for ITSM. Personally I am probably more in the same camp as Jose. I would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System, especially since I've been dabbling in Java and Android development using Eclipse for a while now and see some of the strengths of Eclipse being limited in Developer Studio. At the same time, I want the option of keeping things as simple as possible with Remedy workflow, and would like to see them abstract things even more to where you can build workflow using something that looks like Visio to design processes that automatically generate code (sort of like Pentaho Spoon/Atrium Integrator is supposed to do.) These things are not necessarily simple, but I think BMC can accomplish those types of things if that is their vision as well. Either way, I now prefer Developer Studio over the old Admin Tool for the same reasons as most people here. It was a bit of a learning curve, but once you're past it, it should be smooth sailing. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Southern Union From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language'
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Shawn I think I get your point about "would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System", which if I understand you correctly, it would mean being able to do structural or object oriented programming. This is a common thing, I believe, with tech folks that have knowledge of "real" programming (vs. GUI application development), that get involved in the ARS world. I was like that too, only two years after I graduated from computer engineering, I became a Remedy developer. At the beginning I missed the deep technical challenge that is removed with a high-level GUI app developer tool. But I made peace with that a long time ago and accepted the fact of what ARS is, a very high-level app development environment. From what I have seen, BMC will always keep ARS at that high level, since that was the original intent. So IMHO, ARS is not the right area for tech folks that need their daily deep tech fix complementing that with actual programming like java, .net or other "programming" languages (maybe in other projects that have nothing to do with Remedy or integrations with Remedy, or developing tools or utilities using the Remedy API ) seems the way to go. Just a sugegstion my $0.02 Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Pierson, Shawn [shawn.pier...@sug.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:25 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** When Developer Studio first came out, I was suspicious because it appeared to be part of a huge shift toward making Remedy more Java-like. Consider that Developer Studio is basically just a customized version of Eclipse, which is the IDE quite a few Java developers use, and also keep in mind how many additional plugins have been added over the years mostly for ITSM. Personally I am probably more in the same camp as Jose. I would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System, especially since I’ve been dabbling in Java and Android development using Eclipse for a while now and see some of the strengths of Eclipse being limited in Developer Studio. At the same time, I want the option of keeping things as simple as possible with Remedy workflow, and would like to see them abstract things even more to where you can build workflow using something that looks like Visio to design processes that automatically generate code (sort of like Pentaho Spoon/Atrium Integrator is supposed to do.) These things are not necessarily simple, but I think BMC can accomplish those types of things if that is their vision as well. Either way, I now prefer Developer Studio over the old Admin Tool for the same reasons as most people here. It was a bit of a learning curve, but once you’re past it, it should be smooth sailing. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Southern Union From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links that can change one particu
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There is always room for improvisations.. That’s why we have patches to fix what's not working and new versions for adding new features.. If the app was perfect, there would be no need for patches and future versions.. These were not Doug’s exact words but something that he more or less said to me when I was talking to him about the many problems with the new versions of the apps in general during the RUG. I agree with that.. I do not however agree that an app should be released with too many obvious bugs.. if the bug or a point of failure was hidden behind many covers, its one thing.. Where it takes a specific set of actions, not performed very often or frequently, to replicate it.. Those are forgivable.. But if it’s a single action replication of a bug is around a basic functionality like the inability to complete a qualification on a join form or a menu (this was an actual bug in 7.5), then that app should never have been released until that was fixed.. The testing teams out there at BMC probably needs a little shake up and some of them sent to hell :-)... St Peter probably would agree.. I’m just saying Joe From: Jose Huerta Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links that can change one particular field? What filters are associated with a form (not only the main form, but also as a secondary form)? It is not a good tool. And the prove of it is that a lot of partners are providing parallel tools to make things that the developer studio would had to do. I work with a 24" panoramic monitor + 22" 4:3 monitor + the 15" laptop monitor. And I use all three when using the developer studio. For me there is a waste of space when displaying a filter. All this information can be reorganized better way. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 13:53, arslist wrote: ** The call for Papers should be happening within a week, so if Joe and Rod could talk and create a panel and submit, that would be great. [Ironically I was trying to do the same thing last year, but I tend to be a bit busy around conference time J]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: March 28, 2012 10:49 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just
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Its not about knowing the subject.. I’ve always had stage fright. I had kind of got over it for a while when I started participating in social activities that exposed me to attention like that so I get over the whole stage fright issue.. Just that I haven’t done a lot lately. Last time I ever got on stage was to receive my 2010 MVP award last year.. I did feel a little nervous just getting up there :-) From: Shellman, David Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:50 AM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe, I agree that it would be could for you to do a presentation at WWRUG12. I know the feeling about being mortified standing in front of an audience. I did a presentation at WWRUG in San Francisco years ago. I find that if deep down you understand the subject, the presentation will be over before you can get nervous. Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** The documentation is unfriendly.. I agree.. the best way to learn it is fiddle with the tool.. I can’t be honest and say I have read a single page of the documentation on that tool. I’m not even kidding.. My path had been trial and error too.. I even recall asking one of my colleagues on how to change permissions on a form and he being new to it didn’t know as well so we both figured where it was after a lot of frustration.. That was within that first 7 day period that I was made to work with that tool.. After I found where about 50% of everything is, it started feeling a little more easier.. Even at that point I wished that old tool back so much.. I think I even recall posting on the list on how terrible the new tool is. The only reason I do not feel bad about posting that now is those things I found actually turned out to be bugs.. Finding bugs like the type I found do not help when I started using that tool with some form of inborn hatred. It took me about 10 to 15 days to get used to it and after that I still didn’t think I liked all the changes.. Until I started to slowly see the advantages of some of them and then almost all of them.. If I am there at the next RUG (although I suck at presenting things and usually get mortified when standing in front of an audience) I would not mind doing something like that.. But that would mean I would need to start evaluating how I use it. Its something I’ll think about.. If not I wouldn’t mind sitting around after a day with everyone interested and have an informal session where we all can discuss all our positive experiences with the tool. Some of us may repeat the others, but it may be a great dinner time social session.. Maybe I may prefer something like that so I do not have the pressure of the focus being on my material :-) Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:13 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... I say this with the nicest intent. I wish I knew as much about Dev Studio as you do. I found the documentation to be unfriendly and too time consuming. I simply don't have time to play with it just to find everything. It was mostly a trial and error and how can i do this without necessarily finding the best way since time didn't allow. I think you would be a great candidate to do a tips/tricks on Dev Studio at the next RUG for those of us that would love to see them. Maybe I'd be the only one there, but I think that's unlikely. Please consider it! On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: It probably is 7.6.03 that fixed it as I do not have that hassle at this current site and they are still at 7.6.03. I can't wait we get ready to move to 7.6.04 if I am at this site for long enough.. Joe -Original Message- From: Guillaume Rheault Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are
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When Developer Studio first came out, I was suspicious because it appeared to be part of a huge shift toward making Remedy more Java-like. Consider that Developer Studio is basically just a customized version of Eclipse, which is the IDE quite a few Java developers use, and also keep in mind how many additional plugins have been added over the years mostly for ITSM. Personally I am probably more in the same camp as Jose. I would like the ability to do more powerful development on AR System, especially since I've been dabbling in Java and Android development using Eclipse for a while now and see some of the strengths of Eclipse being limited in Developer Studio. At the same time, I want the option of keeping things as simple as possible with Remedy workflow, and would like to see them abstract things even more to where you can build workflow using something that looks like Visio to design processes that automatically generate code (sort of like Pentaho Spoon/Atrium Integrator is supposed to do.) These things are not necessarily simple, but I think BMC can accomplish those types of things if that is their vision as well. Either way, I now prefer Developer Studio over the old Admin Tool for the same reasons as most people here. It was a bit of a learning curve, but once you're past it, it should be smooth sailing. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Southern Union From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Guillaume Rheault Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:56 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links that can change one particular field? What filters are associated with a form (not only the main form, but also as a secondary form)? It is not a good tool. And the prove of it is that a lot of partners are providing parallel tools to make things that the developer studio would had to do. I work with a 24" panoramic monitor + 22" 4:3 monitor + the 15" laptop monitor. And I use all three when using the developer studio. For me there is a waste of space when displaying a filter. All this information can be reorganized better way. _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.sug.com/disclaimers/default.htm#Mail . If you cannot access the link, please e-mail sender. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Jose, I think some of the points you mention are not applicable in the ARS world, since as you very well know, ARS is not a 3rd generation language like java or .net. The general consensus is that ARS is greater than a 4th generation language, it's either 4.5 or 5th generation. As a point of reference PL/SQL and T-SQL are 4th generation languages. Therefore you cannot really compare the developer tool of a of 5th generation language with the developer tool of a 3rd generation language. We need to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges to make an objective and rational comparison. So... if you are familiar with a 5th generation language's developer tool and want to compare it with Developer Studio, please go ahead and share your analysis, the community values them, and hopefully BMC will incorporate new features in future versions. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Jose Huerta [jose.hue...@sm2baleares.es] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:27 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links that can change one particular field? What filters are associated with a form (not only the main form, but also as a secondary form)? It is not a good tool. And the prove of it is that a lot of partners are providing parallel tools to make things that the developer studio would had to do. I work with a 24" panoramic monitor + 22" 4:3 monitor + the 15" laptop monitor. And I use all three when using the developer studio. For me there is a waste of space when displaying a filter. All this information can be reorganized better way. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Joe, I agree that it would be could for you to do a presentation at WWRUG12. I know the feeling about being mortified standing in front of an audience. I did a presentation at WWRUG in San Francisco years ago. I find that if deep down you understand the subject, the presentation will be over before you can get nervous. Dave From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:30 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** The documentation is unfriendly.. I agree.. the best way to learn it is fiddle with the tool.. I can't be honest and say I have read a single page of the documentation on that tool. I'm not even kidding.. My path had been trial and error too.. I even recall asking one of my colleagues on how to change permissions on a form and he being new to it didn't know as well so we both figured where it was after a lot of frustration.. That was within that first 7 day period that I was made to work with that tool.. After I found where about 50% of everything is, it started feeling a little more easier.. Even at that point I wished that old tool back so much.. I think I even recall posting on the list on how terrible the new tool is. The only reason I do not feel bad about posting that now is those things I found actually turned out to be bugs.. Finding bugs like the type I found do not help when I started using that tool with some form of inborn hatred. It took me about 10 to 15 days to get used to it and after that I still didn't think I liked all the changes.. Until I started to slowly see the advantages of some of them and then almost all of them.. If I am there at the next RUG (although I suck at presenting things and usually get mortified when standing in front of an audience) I would not mind doing something like that.. But that would mean I would need to start evaluating how I use it. Its something I'll think about.. If not I wouldn't mind sitting around after a day with everyone interested and have an informal session where we all can discuss all our positive experiences with the tool. Some of us may repeat the others, but it may be a great dinner time social session.. Maybe I may prefer something like that so I do not have the pressure of the focus being on my material :-) Joe From: Susan Palmer<mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:13 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... I say this with the nicest intent. I wish I knew as much about Dev Studio as you do. I found the documentation to be unfriendly and too time consuming. I simply don't have time to play with it just to find everything. It was mostly a trial and error and how can i do this without necessarily finding the best way since time didn't allow. I think you would be a great candidate to do a tips/tricks on Dev Studio at the next RUG for those of us that would love to see them. Maybe I'd be the only one there, but I think that's unlikely. Please consider it! On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: It probably is 7.6.03 that fixed it as I do not have that hassle at this current site and they are still at 7.6.03. I can't wait we get ready to move to 7.6.04 if I am at this site for long enough.. Joe -Original Message- From: Guillaume Rheault Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. S
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I think that Developer Studio is not as good as it must be. You all talk about the great leap made from the admin tool to the developer studio. But under my point of view it's is like going from a very bad application to a bad application. Have you seen other developer studios (like the Microsot's one)? There are a lot of features missing in the current version that are the basis of other development environments like: - Online debugging - Unitary test - Graphical blocking of elements (to block some elements and work with others). - Enforcement of best practices. - Search objects: To answer the next questions: What are the active links that can change one particular field? What filters are associated with a form (not only the main form, but also as a secondary form)? It is not a good tool. And the prove of it is that a lot of partners are providing parallel tools to make things that the developer studio would had to do. I work with a 24" panoramic monitor + 22" 4:3 monitor + the 15" laptop monitor. And I use all three when using the developer studio. For me there is a waste of space when displaying a filter. All this information can be reorganized better way. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 13:53, arslist wrote: > ** > > The call for Papers should be happening within a week, > > so if Joe and Rod could talk and create a panel and submit, that would be > great. > > ** ** > > [Ironically I was trying to do the same thing last year, but I tend to be > a bit busy around conference time J]. > > ** ** > > Daniel > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Joe Martin D'Souza > *Sent:* March 28, 2012 10:49 PM > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** ** > > ** > > Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to > type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the > Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. > > > > Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer > majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer > session in the end.. > > > > Joe > > > > *From:* Susan Palmer **** > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM > > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > > > ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I > think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking > about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the > slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes > 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. > > I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already > mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the > crowd. > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza > wrote: > > ** > > > > “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default > heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run > Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ > > Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There > are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can > adjust your heap size. > > > > I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after > what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time > you select it, it sticks... > > > > So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy > too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be > overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is > watching, they ought to do something about these things.. > > > > Joe > > > > *From:* Rod Harris > > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM > > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > > > ** > > Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, > > > > I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never > consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high > resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the > default there are plent
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The call for Papers should be happening within a week, so if Joe and Rod could talk and create a panel and submit, that would be great. [Ironically I was trying to do the same thing last year, but I tend to be a bit busy around conference time J]. Daniel From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: March 28, 2012 10:49 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer <mailto:suzanpal...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** "Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. " Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio's ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching, they ought to do something about these things.. Joe From: Rod Harris <mailto:r...@smapps.com.au> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -
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Fred. You are correct. It is ARS that keeps data with x’0a’ only on all databases and all platforms. Not sure what happens if you try to force in an x’0d’ through the API (if it will be dropped or not). Cheers Ben Chernys Senior Software Architect Description: logoSthInc-sm Canada / Deutschland Mobile: +49 171 380 2329GMT + 1 + [ DST ] Email: Ben.Chernys_AT_softwaretoolhouse.com Web: <http://www.softwaretoolhouse.com/> www.softwaretoolhouse.com Check out Software Tool House's freebies for an ITSM 7.6.04 Forms and Fields spreadsheet. Meta-Update, our premium ARS Data tool, lets you automate your imports, migrations, in no time at all, without programming, without staging forms, without merge workflow. <http://www.softwaretoolhouse.com/> http://www.softwaretoolhouse.com/ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: March-29-12 04:57 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hit me with a private email tomorrow if I do not reply to this by noon EST.. I will try it and let you know if it works on windows with an oracle db (10g). Its an extremely short test so I can do it in a couple of minutes.. Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W <mailto:frederick.w.gro...@xo.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:50 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** App on Linux with Oracle db (When I opened the issue the app was on Solaris) I believe that even on MS SQL a return is saved in a data field as Chr(10), so the database should not matter From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:43 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** It moves as many pixels as the grid size I think.. Do not bite me if I am wrong on this as I barely use that anymore when its so much more easier to just write the coordinates on the right and move it exactly a pixel up or down or right or left.. I actually find that easier as you can see the co-ordinates of the other fields and do a bulk modify of the co-ordinates.. I do agree while moving fields if you could see the outline names, it may have been useful.. I’ll check the carriage return thing tomorrow.. maybe its database specific? What DB are you on? Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W <mailto:frederick.w.gro...@xo.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:37 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I’d like to add an additional bad thing (which I opened a bug on while it was 7.6.03 and it still is not fixed). If you build a string with a return in it the tool puts in 2 characters. I also miss the ability to grab a field and move it 1 pixel at a time with the arrow keys (Yes I know you can hit the period and use the arrow keys, but that moves too many pixels at a time) And when moving fields the Admin tool will show you the Label and the data area in the outline shadow (so you can line up the data area how you want). Dev Studio only shows an outline of the complete field area (both label and data area). From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also
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Count me in. I was thinking about seeing if you wanted too partner on a presentation but now that we are talking panel even better. My team has been using DS almost three years now and we have become pretty darn efficient using it. There are so many tricks to figure out. Here is one that has completely changed how fast I can develop workflow objects. In those places where you can type (set/push field mapping, web service mapping, run if) but auto complete doesn't seem to kick in try CTRL + Space to get a menu of matching fields you can use to arrow up and down (if multiple matches) and press Enter to a select the field you want. You can create whole set/push field mappings, run ifs, and qualifications without taking your hands of the keyboard. It makes that bug where it wipes out what you just had in the mapping field a bit more bearable (still annoying but bearable) because you can just type the field name again and press CTRL + Enter without having to click to open the field selection dialog. One note, you do have e to start with the appropriate syntax. If your field Needs dollar signs or a single quote make sure you type that character before typing the field name. Regarding screen size I have 24 inch monitors but I also do a ton of development on my laptop screen. The key for me is to minimize almost all of the default windows. Now you have some room to work. Also there is a maximize feature that will allow a form to take up almost all of the DS window for those times you need just a bit more restate. Don't forget you can zoom forms in and out now too. Jason On Mar 28, 2012 7:49 PM, "Joe Martin D'Souza" wrote: > ** > Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how > to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with > the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. > > Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer > majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer > session in the end.. > > Joe > > *From:* Susan Palmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I > think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking > about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the > slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes > 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. > > I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already > mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the > crowd. > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > >> ** >> >> “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default >> heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run >> Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ >> Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There >> are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can >> adjust your heap size. >> >> I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after >> what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time >> you select it, it sticks... >> >> So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy >> too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be >> overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is >> watching, they ought to do something about these things.. >> >> Joe >> >> *From:* Rod Harris >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM >> *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> ** >> Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, >> >> I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never >> consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high >> resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the >> default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. >> >> My favourites are: >> >> >>1. The *Outline View *and the ability to sort fields by ID or by >>label or by name to find the field you need quickly. >>2. Once you find the field the *show relationships* feature will >>enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident >>that you have captured all of the impacts. >>
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Hit me with a private email tomorrow if I do not reply to this by noon EST.. I will try it and let you know if it works on windows with an oracle db (10g). Its an extremely short test so I can do it in a couple of minutes.. Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:50 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** App on Linux with Oracle db (When I opened the issue the app was on Solaris) I believe that even on MS SQL a return is saved in a data field as Chr(10), so the database should not matter From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:43 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** It moves as many pixels as the grid size I think.. Do not bite me if I am wrong on this as I barely use that anymore when its so much more easier to just write the coordinates on the right and move it exactly a pixel up or down or right or left.. I actually find that easier as you can see the co-ordinates of the other fields and do a bulk modify of the co-ordinates.. I do agree while moving fields if you could see the outline names, it may have been useful.. I’ll check the carriage return thing tomorrow.. maybe its database specific? What DB are you on? Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:37 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I’d like to add an additional bad thing (which I opened a bug on while it was 7.6.03 and it still is not fixed). If you build a string with a return in it the tool puts in 2 characters. I also miss the ability to grab a field and move it 1 pixel at a time with the arrow keys (Yes I know you can hit the period and use the arrow keys, but that moves too many pixels at a time) And when moving fields the Admin tool will show you the Label and the data area in the outline shadow (so you can line up the data area how you want). Dev Studio only shows an outline of the complete field area (both label and data area). From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3.. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms,
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Oh another feature that I really really like.. I’m not a big fan of remembering syntax – although over the years I must say I managed to pick up maybe 10 % of the syntax of all the Run Process commands .. OK a little more than 10% like maybe 90%, but the point is that the new tool, you do not have to remember any of it, and yet not look at the help file or guides.. That I think is another huge time saver when you are developing apps from scratch where you tend to use a lot of these process commands.. All you do is click on the Process navigation panel at the bottom that appears on the Run Process dialog window or Set or Push field, and you see a complete list of all the Run Process commands.. and when you click and select the one you want, the usage appears on the bottom of the edit box... How neat is that! When I first saw that (mind you never read the docs so I stumbled on it) I was like this is amazing! Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:41 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** When this thread is finally done I'm going to print it out and try all of these things! On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Grooms, Frederick W wrote: ** I’d like to add an additional bad thing (which I opened a bug on while it was 7.6.03 and it still is not fixed). If you build a string with a return in it the tool puts in 2 characters. I also miss the ability to grab a field and move it 1 pixel at a time with the arrow keys (Yes I know you can hit the period and use the arrow keys, but that moves too many pixels at a time) And when moving fields the Admin tool will show you the Label and the data area in the outline shadow (so you can line up the data area how you want). Dev Studio only shows an outline of the complete field area (both label and data area). From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3.. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) http:/
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Submit it to the program team Joe ! I like your enthusiasm, I think you'll do a great job explaining everything in a friendly atmosphere a panel will provide. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > ** > Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how > to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with > the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. > > Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer > majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer > session in the end.. > > Joe > > *From:* Susan Palmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I > think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking > about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the > slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes > 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. > > > I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already > mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the > crowd. > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > >> ** >> >> “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default >> heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run >> Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ >> Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There >> are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can >> adjust your heap size. >> >> I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after >> what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time >> you select it, it sticks... >> >> So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy >> too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be >> overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is >> watching, they ought to do something about these things.. >> >> Joe >> >> *From:* Rod Harris >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM >> *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general >> *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> ** >> Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, >> >> I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never >> consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high >> resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the >> default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. >> >> My favourites are: >> >> >>1. The *Outline View *and the ability to sort fields by ID or by >>label or by name to find the field you need quickly. >>2. Once you find the field the *show relationships* feature will >>enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident >>that you have captured all of the impacts. >>3. If you need to *bulk change* a whole bunch of fields, active links >>or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties >>page to do a bulk update. >>4. *Autocomplete*, built in help and syntax checking are nice >>especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some >>nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases >> >> The bad things >> >>1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The >>default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig >> to >>run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. >>2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow >>keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There >> also >>seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still >>3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and >>they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been >> around >>since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. >> >> So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to >> the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even >> happier. I'm loving my new
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Yes a Panel is a great idea.. Where you as an audience can ask the how to type questions and we as a panel of users who are more friendlier with the Studio can answer if there is an answer to it and share our views.. Maybe we could as a panel share our experiences first, which may answer majority of the how to questions, and then have a open question answer session in the end.. Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:39 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can adjust your heap size. I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you select it, it sticks... So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching, they ought to do something about these things.. Joe From: Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3.. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com Remedy Approved C
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It moves as many pixels as the grid size I think.. Do not bite me if I am wrong on this as I barely use that anymore when its so much more easier to just write the coordinates on the right and move it exactly a pixel up or down or right or left.. I actually find that easier as you can see the co-ordinates of the other fields and do a bulk modify of the co-ordinates.. I do agree while moving fields if you could see the outline names, it may have been useful.. I’ll check the carriage return thing tomorrow.. maybe its database specific? What DB are you on? Joe From: Grooms, Frederick W Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:37 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** I’d like to add an additional bad thing (which I opened a bug on while it was 7.6.03 and it still is not fixed). If you build a string with a return in it the tool puts in 2 characters. I also miss the ability to grab a field and move it 1 pixel at a time with the arrow keys (Yes I know you can hit the period and use the arrow keys, but that moves too many pixels at a time) And when moving fields the Admin tool will show you the Label and the data area in the outline shadow (so you can line up the data area how you want). Dev Studio only shows an outline of the complete field area (both label and data area). From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3.. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html 512-731-0304 -Original message- From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the - Undo-Redo - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields m> appings (along with the auto-complete feature) - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working wi> th ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow)
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When this thread is finally done I'm going to print it out and try all of these things! On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Grooms, Frederick W < frederick.w.gro...@xo.com> wrote: > ** > > I’d like to add an additional bad thing (which I opened a bug on while it > was 7.6.03 and it still is not fixed). If you build a string with a return > in it the tool puts in 2 characters. > > > > ** ** > > ** ** > > I also miss the ability to grab a field and move it 1 pixel at a time with > the arrow keys (Yes I know you can hit the period and use the arrow keys, > but that moves too many pixels at a time) > > ** ** > > And when moving fields the Admin tool will show you the Label and the data > area in the outline shadow (so you can line up the data area how you > want). Dev Studio only shows an outline of the complete field area (both > label and data area). > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Rod Harris > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 PM > > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** ** > > ** > > Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, > > > > I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never > consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high > resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the > default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. > > > > My favourites are: > > > >1. The * Outline View *and the ability to sort fields by ID or by >label or by name to find the field you need quickly. >2. Once you find the field the *show relationships* feature will >enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident >that you have captured all of the impacts. >3. If you need to *bulk change* a whole bunch of fields, active links >or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties >page to do a bulk update. >4. *Autocomplete*, built in help and syntax checking are nice >especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some >nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases > > The bad things > >1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The >default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to >run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. >2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow >keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also >seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still > >3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and >they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around >since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. > > So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help > to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be > even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig > too. > > > > Rod Harris > > > > > > > > > > On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > > > > Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a > Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get > your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and > reduced my smoking to almost nothing! > > > > -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com > > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > > > One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs > (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other > windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. > > > > > Phil Bautista > > President / CEO > > Bull Creek Data Corporation > > www.bullcreek.com > > Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) > > http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html > > 512-731-0304 > > -Original message- > > From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com > > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400 > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > >
Re: DevStudio Tool
Joe ... maybe a panel situation would be more comfortable for you. I think having a projection of the tool and then showing what you're talking about would be great. Especially when answering questions. Skip the slides, we want the real tool in action. I know the wwrug team likes 'presentations' but maybe this would be an option for this type of group. I don't think you'd even have to prepare more than a couple points already mentioned here (choose mine please) and the rest will generate from the crowd. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > ** > > “Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default > heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run > Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “ > Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There > are more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can > adjust your heap size. > > I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after > what seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time > you select it, it sticks... > > So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy > too.. But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be > overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is > watching, they ought to do something about these things.. > > Joe > > *From:* Rod Harris > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** > Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, > > I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never > consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high > resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the > default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. > > My favourites are: > > >1. The *Outline View *and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label >or by name to find the field you need quickly. >2. Once you find the field the *show relationships* feature will >enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident >that you have captured all of the impacts. >3. If you need to *bulk change* a whole bunch of fields, active links >or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties >page to do a bulk update. >4. *Autocomplete*, built in help and syntax checking are nice >especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some >nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases > > The bad things > >1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The >default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to >run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. >2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow >keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also >seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still >3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and >they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around >since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. > > So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to > the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even > happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. > > Rod Harris > > > > On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > > >> Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and >> a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to >> get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and >> reduced my smoking to almost nothing! >> >> -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: >> public.remedy.arsystem.general >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs >> (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other >> windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. >> >> Phil Bautista >> President / CEO >> Bull Creek Data Corporation >> www.bullcreek.com >> Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) >> http://www.wwrug.com/contact_**phil.html<http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html> >> 512-731-0304
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I'd like to add an additional bad thing (which I opened a bug on while it was 7.6.03 and it still is not fixed). If you build a string with a return in it the tool puts in 2 characters. [cid:image001.png@01CD0D2A.503A2DB0] I also miss the ability to grab a field and move it 1 pixel at a time with the arrow keys (Yes I know you can hit the period and use the arrow keys, but that moves too many pixels at a time) And when moving fields the Admin tool will show you the Label and the data area in the outline shadow (so you can line up the data area how you want). Dev Studio only shows an outline of the complete field area (both label and data area). From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rod Harris Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza mailto:jdso...@shyle.net>> wrote: Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com<http://bullcreek.com/> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com<http://www.bullcreek.com/> Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html 512-731-0304 -Original message- From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com<mailto:guilla...@dcshq.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the - Undo-Redo - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields m> appings (along with the auto-complete feature) - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working wi> th ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow) the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships are> displayed, etc so that would be the 4th. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG>] > on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com<mailto:guilla...@dcshq.com>] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG<mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the t> i
Re: DevStudio Tool
“Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap
settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio.
Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. “
Have you increased the heap on the import ini configuration file? There are
more files than just the development studio’s ini file where you can adjust
your heap size.
I hate 2 and 3 too.. experienced those things myself as well where after what
seems like you selected the field it just disappears and the 2nd time you
select it, it sticks...
So yea Rod actually managed to point 2 things that I find to be clumsy too..
But the advantages outweigh these so these few quirks just seem to be
overshadowed.. Thank you for pointing these up and I think if BMC is watching,
they ought to do something about these things..
Joe
From: Rod Harris
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:22 PM
Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
**
Hi Dan, Joe and everyone,
I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider
going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution
screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are
plenty of huge upsides in dev studio.
My favourites are:
1.. The Outline View and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by
name to find the field you need quickly.
2.. Once you find the field the show relationships feature will enable you to
drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have
captured all of the impacts.
3.. If you need to bulk change a whole bunch of fields, active links or
anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to
do a bulk update.
4.. Autocomplete, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now
that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the
early 7.5 releases
The bad things
1.. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default
heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run
Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less.
2.. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys.
This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to
be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still
3.. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they
don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since
day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed.
So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the
run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier.
I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too.
Rod Harris
On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote:
Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a
Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your
session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my
smoking to almost nothing!
-Original Message- From: bullcreek.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups:
public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs
(Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows
as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them.
Phil Bautista
President / CEO
Bull Creek Data Corporation
www.bullcreek.com
Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC)
http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html
512-731-0304
-Original message-
From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the
- Undo-Redo
- Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields
m> appings (along with the auto-complete feature)
- performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working
wi> th ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow)
the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships
are> displayed, etc so that would be the 4th.
Guillaume
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]
> on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool
I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5.
Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the
t> ime and effort.
I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if th
Re: DevStudio Tool
The documentation is unfriendly.. I agree.. the best way to learn it is fiddle with the tool.. I can’t be honest and say I have read a single page of the documentation on that tool. I’m not even kidding.. My path had been trial and error too.. I even recall asking one of my colleagues on how to change permissions on a form and he being new to it didn’t know as well so we both figured where it was after a lot of frustration.. That was within that first 7 day period that I was made to work with that tool.. After I found where about 50% of everything is, it started feeling a little more easier.. Even at that point I wished that old tool back so much.. I think I even recall posting on the list on how terrible the new tool is. The only reason I do not feel bad about posting that now is those things I found actually turned out to be bugs.. Finding bugs like the type I found do not help when I started using that tool with some form of inborn hatred. It took me about 10 to 15 days to get used to it and after that I still didn’t think I liked all the changes.. Until I started to slowly see the advantages of some of them and then almost all of them.. If I am there at the next RUG (although I suck at presenting things and usually get mortified when standing in front of an audience) I would not mind doing something like that.. But that would mean I would need to start evaluating how I use it. Its something I’ll think about.. If not I wouldn’t mind sitting around after a day with everyone interested and have an informal session where we all can discuss all our positive experiences with the tool. Some of us may repeat the others, but it may be a great dinner time social session.. Maybe I may prefer something like that so I do not have the pressure of the focus being on my material :-) Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:13 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Joe ... I say this with the nicest intent. I wish I knew as much about Dev Studio as you do. I found the documentation to be unfriendly and too time consuming. I simply don't have time to play with it just to find everything. It was mostly a trial and error and how can i do this without necessarily finding the best way since time didn't allow. I think you would be a great candidate to do a tips/tricks on Dev Studio at the next RUG for those of us that would love to see them. Maybe I'd be the only one there, but I think that's unlikely. Please consider it! On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: It probably is 7.6.03 that fixed it as I do not have that hassle at this current site and they are still at 7.6.03. I can't wait we get ready to move to 7.6.04 if I am at this site for long enough.. Joe -Original Message- From: Guillaume Rheault Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin _
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Hi Dan, Joe and everyone, I've been using Dev Studio since 7.5 first came out and I would never consider going back to the old admin tool. Whilst you certainly need a high resolution screen and you should go 64bit and up your heap from the default there are plenty of huge upsides in dev studio. My favourites are: 1. The *Outline View *and the ability to sort fields by ID or by label or by name to find the field you need quickly. 2. Once you find the field the *show relationships* feature will enable you to drill in to the right workflow quickly and to be confident that you have captured all of the impacts. 3. If you need to *bulk change* a whole bunch of fields, active links or anything else you can usually select the objects and use the properties page to do a bulk update. 4. *Autocomplete*, built in help and syntax checking are nice especially now that the bugs seem to have been removed. There were some nasty ones in the early 7.5 releases The bad things 1. Importing and exporting workflow can chew up memory fast. The default heap settings are next to nothing and you need a minimum of 2Gig to run Devstudio. Admin tool could get by with 1Gig or less. 2. I miss the ease of moving around a bunch of fields using the arrow keys. This feature is there but it doesn't seem to work as well. There also seems to be some bugs with group moving/resizing fields in devstudio still 3. Sometimes I select fields to add to a setfields or push fields and they don't take. I have to select the field again. This bug has been around since day 1 and I'm not sure it has been fixed. So on the whole I love devstudio. Fix the bugs, extend the syntax help to the run process commands, improve the memory utilisation and I'll be even happier. I'm loving my new laptop with the full HD screen and 8 Gig too. Rod Harris On 29 March 2012 09:59, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a > Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get > your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and > reduced my smoking to almost nothing! > > -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs > (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other > windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. > > Phil Bautista > President / CEO > Bull Creek Data Corporation > www.bullcreek.com > Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) > http://www.wwrug.com/contact_**phil.html<http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html> > 512-731-0304 > -Original message- > From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com > Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400 > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > > >> BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the >> >> - Undo-Redo >> - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields >> m> appings (along with the auto-complete feature) >> - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working >> wi> th ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow) >> >> the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships >> are> displayed, etc so that would be the 4th. >> >> Guillaume >> __**__ >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] >> > on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM >> To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG >> Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool >> >> I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. >> Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the >> t> ime and effort. >> >> I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a >> possib> ility. >> If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to >> do > a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince >> management to u> pgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use >> DevStudio, so I'd do all > the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums >> how I feel about DevStudio> and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that >> once you are comfortable wi> th DevStudio, you will be much more productive >> (if you already are an exper> ienced developer, that is). >> >> what would I change about Dev Studio? Wha
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Joe ... I say this with the nicest intent. I wish I knew as much about Dev Studio as you do. I found the documentation to be unfriendly and too time consuming. I simply don't have time to play with it just to find everything. It was mostly a trial and error and how can i do this without necessarily finding the best way since time didn't allow. I think you would be a great candidate to do a tips/tricks on Dev Studio at the next RUG for those of us that would love to see them. Maybe I'd be the only one there, but I think that's unlikely. Please consider it! On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > It probably is 7.6.03 that fixed it as I do not have that hassle at this > current site and they are still at 7.6.03. I can't wait we get ready to > move to 7.6.04 if I am at this site for long enough.. > > Joe > > -Original Message- From: Guillaume Rheault > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. > Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the > time and effort. > > I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a > possibility. > If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do > a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to > upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all > the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio > and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable > with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an > experienced developer, that is). > > what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio > 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join > forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was > 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, > and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 > did. > > So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? > I can't think of anything right now > > Guillaume > > __**__ > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: DevStudio Tool > > Hello there all, > > We would like to have your input on a Question. > > How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? > Do you miss the Admintool? > Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and > reliability. > > If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? > > > Thank you > Carin > __**__** > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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It probably is 7.6.03 that fixed it as I do not have that hassle at this current site and they are still at 7.6.03. I can't wait we get ready to move to 7.6.04 if I am at this site for long enough.. Joe -Original Message- From: Guillaume Rheault Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Yea I like that one too.. And that you can switch between an AL list and a Filter list without waiting for a coffee break or a cigarette break to get your session back - especially since I have stopped drinking coffee and reduced my smoking to almost nothing! -Original Message- From: bullcreek.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 9:28 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html 512-731-0304 -Original message- From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the - Undo-Redo - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields m> appings (along with the auto-complete feature) - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working wi> th ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow) the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships are> displayed, etc so that would be the 4th. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the t> ime and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possib> ility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do > a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to u> pgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all > the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio> and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable wi> th DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an exper> ienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7> .5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join f> orms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7> .6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and> 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did.> So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I> can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliabili> ty. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be?> Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Yes you can search by 1) Field Id, 2) Field Label (even if they are duplicate labels or blank although that means you would need to rely on what shows in the field ID and field name column that’s besides it) & 3) Field Name.. This is found on the tab near properties .. If you have difficulties finding it, email me offline and I will send you a screen shot.. "Choosing fields for stuff in active links "... Why do you want to choose when you can type the first few characters of the field and then you get a short list of all the fields that match that? you can even use the * wild card if you know just the middle part of the field name.. Another alternate method is typing the field name in the placeholder where the field ought to be and leveraging the auto complete feature.. Again I'll be happy to send you screen shots of this if you need.. By the way this is another feature that I really adore - how easy it actually is to find your fields while creating workflow as opposed to the traditional huge menus that filled an entire screen or even if you used the scroll menu.. The new feature in the Dev Studio is so useful in a form that has like a 1000 fields.. To use a good part of the 12 Gig memory that you have for the dev studio, modify the ini file. The defaults in the ini file are 64 and 512 for startup and max heaps which is barely anything.. The idea of a 'classic view' seems to be a good one.. its always nice to keep old horses like us happy right from the word go... Maybe its something we can suggest to the big boys at BMC? I might like to switch back and forth for a few things.. For the most part I do like the new studio (for developing Active Links, Filters, Escalations, Menus etc.. The only place I might have needed to switch if that was possible was for certain things on form development when you are at a point you just want the whole real estate to see the form only and nothing else.. Other than that I do like what you can do on the forms from the new cluttered appearances.. There seems to be method in the madness.. once you indulge in a little bit of that madness :-) Joe -Original Message- From: arslist Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:31 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool Probably because it leads us to Margaritaville. I will ignore that when I spoke to the original developers of the Developer Studio After their presentation at the 2007 RUG in Vancouver, was that we would never be able to use it on a laptop, need more real estate. Apparently they took notes and didn't listen. I use a 27" screen at 1920X1080. I noticed 30 years ago that UNIX programmers were always in the highest resolution, meaning micro dots that normal humans couldn't distinguish from morse code. When my new HDMI KVMS arrives I will try At a higher resolution and see if my eyes can still read it. That being said, I can almost use the Developer Studio at that resolution now that I am used to it. So, yes, more features in it than the admin tool but, it is still much slower to use to develop, and my 2 wishes( I could really use at least 5): 1) I can reduce the screen by a lot just by having the old tabbed area with field properties 2) I would love to have an easy search by field id again. I am sure it is buried somewhere, I think I found it for a while, but I'm not sure I don't understand why there isn't a "classic view" that reduces the real estate needed like the old admin tool, that is what these fancy New tools were supposed to provide, a customizable Admin Tool, or at least I thought that is what they advertised? Choosing fields for stuff in active links takes 10 times longer, much I used to do in seconds takes 10s of minutes. OF course the plan was we wouldn't be modifying the system like we used to, but the power of the ARSystem has always been rapid development. Dan p.s. generally I use my Dell Studio XPS9100 with 12 gig memory, an ATI Radeon HD5670 display adapter, and a Dell 2709W monitor all of which should be handle any single application GUI -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: March 28, 2012 6:22 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I totally just made up that word 'Pixelville' without even realizing it.. It sounds kind of cool though :-) -Original Message- From: Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:19 PM To: ARS List Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool Yup that s what I learnt too a little hard way around.. Get as much 'real estate' in 'Pixelville' as you can afford.. And Susan, 2 GB would not quite be enough if you attempt some expensive operations.. There are certain operations that could be a resource
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Probably because it leads us to Margaritaville. I will ignore that when I spoke to the original developers of the Developer Studio After their presentation at the 2007 RUG in Vancouver, was that we would never be able to use it on a laptop, need more real estate. Apparently they took notes and didn't listen. I use a 27" screen at 1920X1080. I noticed 30 years ago that UNIX programmers were always in the highest resolution, meaning micro dots that normal humans couldn't distinguish from morse code. When my new HDMI KVMS arrives I will try At a higher resolution and see if my eyes can still read it. That being said, I can almost use the Developer Studio at that resolution now that I am used to it. So, yes, more features in it than the admin tool but, it is still much slower to use to develop, and my 2 wishes( I could really use at least 5): 1) I can reduce the screen by a lot just by having the old tabbed area with field properties 2) I would love to have an easy search by field id again. I am sure it is buried somewhere, I think I found it for a while, but I'm not sure I don't understand why there isn't a "classic view" that reduces the real estate needed like the old admin tool, that is what these fancy New tools were supposed to provide, a customizable Admin Tool, or at least I thought that is what they advertised? Choosing fields for stuff in active links takes 10 times longer, much I used to do in seconds takes 10s of minutes. OF course the plan was we wouldn't be modifying the system like we used to, but the power of the ARSystem has always been rapid development. Dan p.s. generally I use my Dell Studio XPS9100 with 12 gig memory, an ATI Radeon HD5670 display adapter, and a Dell 2709W monitor all of which should be handle any single application GUI -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: March 28, 2012 6:22 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I totally just made up that word 'Pixelville' without even realizing it.. It sounds kind of cool though :-) -Original Message- From: Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:19 PM To: ARS List Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool Yup that s what I learnt too a little hard way around.. Get as much 'real estate' in 'Pixelville' as you can afford.. And Susan, 2 GB would not quite be enough if you attempt some expensive operations.. There are certain operations that could be a resource hog.. for e.g. The Expand All Panels.. you could potentially have your client freeze on you for a brief time if you tried that with 2 GB and had something like 10 set field actions in your If and Else Joe -Original Message- From: strauss Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:12 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool IMHO, it wasn't worth the enormous interface change/learning curve/pure aggravation - UNTIL - the implementation of overlays. Only when you reach the point where you are converting your customizations to overlays does the new tool start to make sense, as does the updated Migrator which also takes some getting used to. So going from the 7.1.00.02 Admin Tool to the 7.6.04.01 DevStudio was worth the effort because of the corresponding sea change in object management requirements. Overlay implementation was the logical point to change the tool set. Note that you had to have the Admin Tool available to perform tasks on base forms that DevStudio would not do, while converting. As to screen size, I got a 27" iMac specifically to run this thing, on Windows 7 x64 under Parallels (2498 x 1367), but not until after I had already slogged through most of the customizations on XP x86 with a 24" screen (1920 x 1200). Screen size/resolution is absolutely a big factor with this real estate hog. Christopher Strauss, Ph.D. Call Tracking Administration Manager University of North Texas Computing & IT Center http://itsm.unt.edu/ -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Carin Sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" __
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I will also point out that it does take some adjustment to see info that was available in the Admin tool like user info. I don't have a problem with it being available in the user tool, just that when you don't use it much and they move it, it can take you a few minutes to find the new location. Overall, as I get used to the Dev Studio I complain less about not having the Admin tool. As with any change of this magnitude, it takes some time to adjust to. Brian Goralczyk Phone 574-643-1144 Email bgoralc...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Guillaume Rheault wrote: > actually I do have another killer feature to mention, so that's five > killer features: > > 5- the anywhere search on names of active links, filters, etc, > > if you have a good naming convention for workflow, this saves a LOT of time > > my other 4 kilelr features are , in no particular order: > > 1- Undo-Redo > 2- Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields > mappings (along with the auto-complete feature) > 3- performance (specially working with ITSM which has a ton of workflow) > 4- relationships > > I hope one day it will be possible for DevStudio to open a def file > (without connecting to teh server), the same way that the good ol' IT > Masters used to do > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. > Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the > time and effort. > > I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a > possibility. > If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do > a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to > upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all > the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio > and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable > with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an > experienced developer, that is). > > what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio > 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join > forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was > 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, > and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 > did. > > So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? > I can't think of anything right now > > Guillaume > > ____ > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: DevStudio Tool > > Hello there all, > > We would like to have your input on a Question. > > How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? > Do you miss the Admintool? > Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and > reliability. > > If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? > > > Thank you > Carin > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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actually I do have another killer feature to mention, so that's five killer features: 5- the anywhere search on names of active links, filters, etc, if you have a good naming convention for workflow, this saves a LOT of time my other 4 kilelr features are , in no particular order: 1- Undo-Redo 2- Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields mappings (along with the auto-complete feature) 3- performance (specially working with ITSM which has a ton of workflow) 4- relationships I hope one day it will be possible for DevStudio to open a def file (without connecting to teh server), the same way that the good ol' IT Masters used to do From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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One of my favorite features is the ability to "tear off" the tabs (Relationship, Forms, Filters, Properties etc.) and stick them on other windows as well as stacking forms or workflow side by side to compare them. Phil Bautista President / CEO Bull Creek Data Corporation www.bullcreek.com Remedy Approved Consultant (RAC) http://www.wwrug.com/contact_phil.html 512-731-0304 -Original message- From: Guillaume Rheault guilla...@dcshq.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:03:49 -0400 To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the > > - Undo-Redo > - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields m> > appings (along with the auto-complete feature) > - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working wi> > th ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow) > > the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships are> > displayed, etc so that would be the 4th. > > Guillaume > > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > > on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool > > I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. > Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the t> > ime and effort. > > I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possib> > ility. > If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do > > a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to u> > pgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all > > the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio> > and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable wi> > th DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an exper> > ienced developer, that is). > > what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7> > .5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join f> > orms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7> > .6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and> > 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did.> > > So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I> > can't think of anything right now > > Guillaume > > ____ > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] > > on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM > To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > Subject: DevStudio Tool > > Hello there all, > > We would like to have your input on a Question. > > How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? > Do you miss the Admintool? > Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliabili> > ty. > > If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be?> > > > Thank you > Carin > > ___> > > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > ___> > > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I meant performance is awesome compared to the good ol' admin tool. it's dramatic. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:03 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the - Undo-Redo - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields mappings (along with the auto-complete feature) - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working with ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow) the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships are displayed, etc so that would be the 4th. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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BTW, IMHO, to me the 3 killer features of DevStudio are the - Undo-Redo - Ability to type (or paste) field names in the set fields or push fields mappings (along with the auto-complete feature) - performance is really awesome compared to DevStudio (specially working with ITSM whaich has a ton of workflow) the record relationships feature is very nice too, the wayrelationships are displayed, etc so that would be the 4th. Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Guillaume Rheault [guilla...@dcshq.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I've been working with DevStudio since it first came out in 7.5. Learning curve was fairly steep at the beginning but definitely worth the time and effort. I would never ever go back to the old Admin tool, even if that was a possibility. If I had to be involved in a project with ARS 7.1 or older and I had to do a lot of development, I would put all my energy to convince management to upgrade to at least 7.5 in order to be able to use DevStudio, so I'd do all the development with DevStudio: I hope this sums how I feel about DevStudio and the old admin tool. . I truly believe that once you are comfortable with DevStudio, you will be much more productive (if you already are an experienced developer, that is). what would I change about Dev Studio? What really annoyed me in DevStudio 7.5 was the "over-grouping with the parentheses" in qualifications in join forms, active links, etc, but that has been fixed. I don't know if it was 7.6.3 that fixed or not, since I jumped from DevStudio 7.5 to 7.6.4 SP2, and 7.64 SP2 does not "over-group" with parentheses, at least not how 7.5 did. So to answer your question with DevStudio 7.6.4 SP2, what would I change? I can't think of anything right now Guillaume From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] on behalf of Carin Sinclair [remedy...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Oh ya I forgot to mention that.. I think it was Brian who had pointed that a few weeks after I started using it to show it still can be done on the new version too.. I do not seriously think there is a single thing that was doable in the old tool that is not doable now.. Joe From: Brian Goralczyk Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:29 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Susan, I feel you pain in most of your issues. I might be able to help you out on one. ** I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). You can still do this. CTRL + Click will select multiple fields one at a time. SHIFT + Click and drag will work. The key for this is to make sure that you see the crosshair mouse icon. If that is up you can click and drag. It will add the fields selected to the selection you already have. HTH, Brian Goralczyk Phone 574-643-1144 Email bgoralc...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: ** If you right click on the filter or active link after opening it,and click Expand All Panels, it expands everything on that one click.. I agree this should have been a preference if you wanted to do it everytime you opened an object.. About the size.. that’s why I said it’s the minimum large size.. if you can get a bigger resolution absolutely go for that.. Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:52 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** After reading Joe's comments I should note I have no performance issues. Windows 7 64 bit 2gb memory I'm at 1920 x 1200 but had to increase font to 115%. Even with glasses that is a bit of a stretch in the comfortable reading zone. I also need to add that when working in filters or active links I dislike the fact I constantly have to expand things to see the qualification and action information. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Susan Palmer wrote: Not very Yes I have been using DevStudio v7.5 for 9 months now so I should be over the learning and adjustment curve. I find everything takes longer to do. I have no issue with reliability. Usability is subjective and I personally find it awkward. I'm constantly resizing portions. Even though I have a 24" monitor it really needed to be 32" (or maybe 55"). It is aggravating the way the Properties work. Always needing to expand everything. Of course Change History is always expanded and I use that the least. Database, Display and Permissions should always be expanded. But of course then you'd have to constantly scroll. I do like the fields area and way you can easily sort by name or ID. I don't like the way the form/workflow lists take up basically the same real estate you're going to use if you open a form. Again constantly adjusting the portions. I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). I have mixed feeling about the ability to line up fields which I'm a bit anal about, its different and sometimes its just hard. On page fields why can't the first tab always show instead of having to do the left arrow click. Of course if you expand it full size not a problem. But then I lose the ability to easily use the properties. Sometimes I get wild and click on an icon inadvertently and close a portion, like where my form was displayed and it will take me 10 min trying to find it again. Why are the icons so small? Importing and Exporting takes more steps now and it accomplishes the same thing as before. I do like the filter ability on the Forms/Workflow list portions. I do like the Relationships feature. I'm sure I've missed some things, these are just the ones I immediately thought of. No, I'm not adverse to change but when I make changes I've consulted my customers and make a big effort to make it as easy as possible for them to adjust. How can I choose one thing? Not possible. As Remedy developers we just have to be adaptable! We are basically a custom shop so I do customizations every week to keep up with our constantly growing business and processes. So I hope you all are as pleased as I am. Susan On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Carin Sinclair wrote: Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing y
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Susan, I feel you pain in most of your issues. I might be able to help you out on one. ** I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). You can still do this. CTRL + Click will select multiple fields one at a time. SHIFT + Click and drag will work. The key for this is to make sure that you see the crosshair mouse icon. If that is up you can click and drag. It will add the fields selected to the selection you already have. HTH, Brian Goralczyk Phone 574-643-1144 Email bgoralc...@gmail.com On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza wrote: > ** > > If you right click on the filter or active link after opening it,and click > Expand All Panels, it expands everything on that one click.. I agree this > should have been a preference if you wanted to do it everytime you opened > an object.. > > About the size.. that’s why I said it’s the minimum large size.. if you > can get a bigger resolution absolutely go for that.. > > Joe > > *From:* Susan Palmer > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:52 PM > *Newsgroups:* public.remedy.arsystem.general > *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG > *Subject:* Re: DevStudio Tool > > ** > After reading Joe's comments I should note I have no performance issues. > Windows 7 64 bit 2gb memory > > I'm at 1920 x 1200 but had to increase font to 115%. Even with glasses > that is a bit of a stretch in the comfortable reading zone. > > I also need to add that when working in filters or active links I dislike > the fact I constantly have to expand things to see the qualification and > action information. > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Susan Palmer wrote: > >> Not very >> Yes >> >> I have been using DevStudio v7.5 for 9 months now so I should be over >> the learning and adjustment curve. >> >> I find everything takes longer to do. >> I have no issue with reliability. >> Usability is subjective and I personally find it awkward. I'm constantly >> resizing portions. Even though I have a 24" monitor it really needed to be >> 32" (or maybe 55"). >> It is aggravating the way the Properties work. Always needing to expand >> everything. Of course Change History is always expanded and I use that >> the least. Database, Display and Permissions should always be expanded. >> But of course then you'd have to constantly scroll. >> I do like the fields area and way you can easily sort by name or ID. >> I don't like the way the form/workflow lists take up basically the same >> real estate you're going to use if you open a form. Again constantly >> adjusting the portions. >> I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields >> for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). >> I have mixed feeling about the ability to line up fields which I'm a bit >> anal about, its different and sometimes its just hard. >> On page fields why can't the first tab always show instead of having to >> do the left arrow click. Of course if you expand it full size not a >> problem. But then I lose the ability to easily use the properties. >> Sometimes I get wild and click on an icon inadvertently and close a >> portion, like where my form was displayed and it will take me 10 min trying >> to find it again. >> Why are the icons so small? >> Importing and Exporting takes more steps now and it accomplishes the same >> thing as before. >> I do like the filter ability on the Forms/Workflow list portions. >> I do like the Relationships feature. >> >> I'm sure I've missed some things, these are just the ones I immediately >> thought of. No, I'm not adverse to change but when I make changes I've >> consulted my customers and make a big effort to make it as easy as >> possible for them to adjust. >> >> How can I choose one thing? Not possible. As Remedy developers we just >> have to be adaptable! >> >> We are basically a custom shop so I do customizations every week to keep >> up with our constantly growing business and processes. >> So I hope you all are as pleased as I am. >> >> Susan >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Carin Sinclair wrote: >> >>> Hello there all, >>> >>> We would like to have your input on a Question. >>> >>> How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? >>> Do you miss the Admintool? >>> Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and >>> reliability. >>> >>> If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it >>> be? >>> >>> >>> Thank you >>> Carin >> >> _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I totally just made up that word 'Pixelville' without even realizing it.. It sounds kind of cool though :-) -Original Message- From: Joe Martin D'Souza Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:19 PM To: ARS List Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool Yup that’s what I learnt too a little hard way around.. Get as much 'real estate' in 'Pixelville' as you can afford.. And Susan, 2 GB would not quite be enough if you attempt some expensive operations.. There are certain operations that could be a resource hog.. for e.g. The Expand All Panels.. you could potentially have your client freeze on you for a brief time if you tried that with 2 GB and had something like 10 set field actions in your If and Else Joe -Original Message- From: strauss Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:12 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool IMHO, it wasn't worth the enormous interface change/learning curve/pure aggravation - UNTIL - the implementation of overlays. Only when you reach the point where you are converting your customizations to overlays does the new tool start to make sense, as does the updated Migrator which also takes some getting used to. So going from the 7.1.00.02 Admin Tool to the 7.6.04.01 DevStudio was worth the effort because of the corresponding sea change in object management requirements. Overlay implementation was the logical point to change the tool set. Note that you had to have the Admin Tool available to perform tasks on base forms that DevStudio would not do, while converting. As to screen size, I got a 27" iMac specifically to run this thing, on Windows 7 x64 under Parallels (2498 x 1367), but not until after I had already slogged through most of the customizations on XP x86 with a 24" screen (1920 x 1200). Screen size/resolution is absolutely a big factor with this real estate hog. Christopher Strauss, Ph.D. Call Tracking Administration Manager University of North Texas Computing & IT Center http://itsm.unt.edu/ -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Carin Sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Yup that’s what I learnt too a little hard way around.. Get as much 'real estate' in 'Pixelville' as you can afford.. And Susan, 2 GB would not quite be enough if you attempt some expensive operations.. There are certain operations that could be a resource hog.. for e.g. The Expand All Panels.. you could potentially have your client freeze on you for a brief time if you tried that with 2 GB and had something like 10 set field actions in your If and Else Joe -Original Message- From: strauss Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 6:12 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool IMHO, it wasn't worth the enormous interface change/learning curve/pure aggravation - UNTIL - the implementation of overlays. Only when you reach the point where you are converting your customizations to overlays does the new tool start to make sense, as does the updated Migrator which also takes some getting used to. So going from the 7.1.00.02 Admin Tool to the 7.6.04.01 DevStudio was worth the effort because of the corresponding sea change in object management requirements. Overlay implementation was the logical point to change the tool set. Note that you had to have the Admin Tool available to perform tasks on base forms that DevStudio would not do, while converting. As to screen size, I got a 27" iMac specifically to run this thing, on Windows 7 x64 under Parallels (2498 x 1367), but not until after I had already slogged through most of the customizations on XP x86 with a 24" screen (1920 x 1200). Screen size/resolution is absolutely a big factor with this real estate hog. Christopher Strauss, Ph.D. Call Tracking Administration Manager University of North Texas Computing & IT Center http://itsm.unt.edu/ -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Carin Sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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If you right click on the filter or active link after opening it,and click Expand All Panels, it expands everything on that one click.. I agree this should have been a preference if you wanted to do it everytime you opened an object.. About the size.. that’s why I said it’s the minimum large size.. if you can get a bigger resolution absolutely go for that.. Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:52 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** After reading Joe's comments I should note I have no performance issues. Windows 7 64 bit 2gb memory I'm at 1920 x 1200 but had to increase font to 115%. Even with glasses that is a bit of a stretch in the comfortable reading zone. I also need to add that when working in filters or active links I dislike the fact I constantly have to expand things to see the qualification and action information. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Susan Palmer wrote: Not very Yes I have been using DevStudio v7.5 for 9 months now so I should be over the learning and adjustment curve. I find everything takes longer to do. I have no issue with reliability. Usability is subjective and I personally find it awkward. I'm constantly resizing portions. Even though I have a 24" monitor it really needed to be 32" (or maybe 55"). It is aggravating the way the Properties work. Always needing to expand everything. Of course Change History is always expanded and I use that the least. Database, Display and Permissions should always be expanded. But of course then you'd have to constantly scroll. I do like the fields area and way you can easily sort by name or ID. I don't like the way the form/workflow lists take up basically the same real estate you're going to use if you open a form. Again constantly adjusting the portions. I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). I have mixed feeling about the ability to line up fields which I'm a bit anal about, its different and sometimes its just hard. On page fields why can't the first tab always show instead of having to do the left arrow click. Of course if you expand it full size not a problem. But then I lose the ability to easily use the properties. Sometimes I get wild and click on an icon inadvertently and close a portion, like where my form was displayed and it will take me 10 min trying to find it again. Why are the icons so small? Importing and Exporting takes more steps now and it accomplishes the same thing as before. I do like the filter ability on the Forms/Workflow list portions. I do like the Relationships feature. I'm sure I've missed some things, these are just the ones I immediately thought of. No, I'm not adverse to change but when I make changes I've consulted my customers and make a big effort to make it as easy as possible for them to adjust. How can I choose one thing? Not possible. As Remedy developers we just have to be adaptable! We are basically a custom shop so I do customizations every week to keep up with our constantly growing business and processes. So I hope you all are as pleased as I am. Susan On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Carin Sinclair wrote: Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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IMHO, it wasn't worth the enormous interface change/learning curve/pure aggravation - UNTIL - the implementation of overlays. Only when you reach the point where you are converting your customizations to overlays does the new tool start to make sense, as does the updated Migrator which also takes some getting used to. So going from the 7.1.00.02 Admin Tool to the 7.6.04.01 DevStudio was worth the effort because of the corresponding sea change in object management requirements. Overlay implementation was the logical point to change the tool set. Note that you had to have the Admin Tool available to perform tasks on base forms that DevStudio would not do, while converting. As to screen size, I got a 27" iMac specifically to run this thing, on Windows 7 x64 under Parallels (2498 x 1367), but not until after I had already slogged through most of the customizations on XP x86 with a 24" screen (1920 x 1200). Screen size/resolution is absolutely a big factor with this real estate hog. Christopher Strauss, Ph.D. Call Tracking Administration Manager University of North Texas Computing & IT Center http://itsm.unt.edu/ -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Carin Sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 3:24 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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I guess as you first of all pointed out ‘usability is subjective’... That being said I personally actually thought I loved the way the properties thing is designed.. There is so much more you can do with the current design with multiple fields on properties that you just could not with the Admin Tool. For eg in the old admin tool, there were only a limited set of attributes you could apply a multiple change to. Not anymore. And I can’t say how glad I am about that.. It’s the best thing that happened after .. hmmm.. whatever the last good thing before that was! What I like: * The way the field Ids or the field Names or the Database names can be sorted on the properties side. Takes me 5 seconds to find a field in a cluttered mess of 500 fields or more which used to take forever on the Admin tool even after they had the drop list of ID’s and Database field names.. * The whole GUI has got so much more better. Its easier to make better looking screens now faster than before. I used to take forever to make a good looking screen with the Admin tool.. but then I’m pretty anal at times on the looks of a form.. Some people may not spend as much time as I do on the looks of forms. I do.. (This is a subjective view) * Editing Workflow!! That’s the killer feature.. having all the If and Else action view in a single pane! Editing every view of a form with just a few clicks!!! Ability to edit tab orders!! Without having to click back and forth! That is I think the best thing that ever happened to mankind! * Viewing almost all the properties of a form or workflow in a single view! That gives you so much of the complete picture in just one glance once you get used to it.. * And saving your workbench.. That is such a great feature! What did I do in the past to emulate that? Pretty much do not log out of the session after a days work and lock the work station and hope no one pulled a plug? And the best part about it is that its portable my saving the xml file and copying it to another workbench on some other PC. I can’t say how many places I have used that saving tons of time... * The Undo and Redo button :-) - it should have featured in the OMG section of yahoo! Didn’t we want that almost forever! I could go on.. By lining up fields if you meant aligning them, what is the problem you are having??? And I would suggest looking at the resolution capability rather than just expanding the size of your monitor.. The size of the monitor just makes things look bigger, and doesn’t give you the more compact view that you want with the Dev Studio.. I bet you work with a low resolution monitor that has a large 32” screen. Is it lower than what I currently have? Mine is 1920x1080 and I feel I lucked on getting just about the minimum required resolution.. Its only a 15” screen. Anything lower than the resolution I have, I’d be begging for more.. I plan buying an even higher resolution if its available the next time I’m due to buy new hardware.. Joe From: Susan Palmer Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:45 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: DevStudio Tool ** Not very Yes I have been using DevStudio v7.5 for 9 months now so I should be over the learning and adjustment curve. I find everything takes longer to do. I have no issue with reliability. Usability is subjective and I personally find it awkward. I'm constantly resizing portions. Even though I have a 24" monitor it really needed to be 32" (or maybe 55"). It is aggravating the way the Properties work. Always needing to expand everything. Of course Change History is always expanded and I use that the least. Database, Display and Permissions should always be expanded. But of course then you'd have to constantly scroll. I do like the fields area and way you can easily sort by name or ID. I don't like the way the form/workflow lists take up basically the same real estate you're going to use if you open a form. Again constantly adjusting the portions. I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). I have mixed feeling about the ability to line up fields which I'm a bit anal about, its different and sometimes its just hard. On page fields why can't the first tab always show instead of having to do the left arrow click. Of course if you expand it full size not a problem. But then I lose the ability to easily use the properties. Sometimes I get wild and click on an icon inadvertently and close a portion, like where my form was displayed and it will take me 10 min trying to find it again. Why are the icons so small? Importing and Exporting takes more steps now and it accomplishes the same thing as before. I do like the filter ability on the Forms/Workflow list portions. I do like the Relationships feature. I'm sure I've mi
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After reading Joe's comments I should note I have no performance issues. Windows 7 64 bit 2gb memory I'm at 1920 x 1200 but had to increase font to 115%. Even with glasses that is a bit of a stretch in the comfortable reading zone. I also need to add that when working in filters or active links I dislike the fact I constantly have to expand things to see the qualification and action information. On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Susan Palmer wrote: > Not very > Yes > > I have been using DevStudio v7.5 for 9 months now so I should be over > the learning and adjustment curve. > > I find everything takes longer to do. > I have no issue with reliability. > Usability is subjective and I personally find it awkward. I'm constantly > resizing portions. Even though I have a 24" monitor it really needed to be > 32" (or maybe 55"). > It is aggravating the way the Properties work. Always needing to expand > everything. Of course Change History is always expanded and I use that > the least. Database, Display and Permissions should always be expanded. > But of course then you'd have to constantly scroll. > I do like the fields area and way you can easily sort by name or ID. > I don't like the way the form/workflow lists take up basically the same > real estate you're going to use if you open a form. Again constantly > adjusting the portions. > I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields > for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). > I have mixed feeling about the ability to line up fields which I'm a bit > anal about, its different and sometimes its just hard. > On page fields why can't the first tab always show instead of having to do > the left arrow click. Of course if you expand it full size not a problem. > But then I lose the ability to easily use the properties. > Sometimes I get wild and click on an icon inadvertently and close a > portion, like where my form was displayed and it will take me 10 min trying > to find it again. > Why are the icons so small? > Importing and Exporting takes more steps now and it accomplishes the same > thing as before. > I do like the filter ability on the Forms/Workflow list portions. > I do like the Relationships feature. > > I'm sure I've missed some things, these are just the ones I immediately > thought of. No, I'm not adverse to change but when I make changes I've > consulted my customers and make a big effort to make it as easy as > possible for them to adjust. > > How can I choose one thing? Not possible. As Remedy developers we just > have to be adaptable! > > We are basically a custom shop so I do customizations every week to keep > up with our constantly growing business and processes. > So I hope you all are as pleased as I am. > > Susan > > > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Carin Sinclair wrote: > >> Hello there all, >> >> We would like to have your input on a Question. >> >> How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? >> Do you miss the Admintool? >> Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and >> reliability. >> >> If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? >> >> >> Thank you >> Carin >> >> >> ___ >> UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org >> attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" >> > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Not very Yes I have been using DevStudio v7.5 for 9 months now so I should be over the learning and adjustment curve. I find everything takes longer to do. I have no issue with reliability. Usability is subjective and I personally find it awkward. I'm constantly resizing portions. Even though I have a 24" monitor it really needed to be 32" (or maybe 55"). It is aggravating the way the Properties work. Always needing to expand everything. Of course Change History is always expanded and I use that the least. Database, Display and Permissions should always be expanded. But of course then you'd have to constantly scroll. I do like the fields area and way you can easily sort by name or ID. I don't like the way the form/workflow lists take up basically the same real estate you're going to use if you open a form. Again constantly adjusting the portions. I cannot express how much I miss the ability to grab a group of fields for movement purposes via the mouse (click and drag). I have mixed feeling about the ability to line up fields which I'm a bit anal about, its different and sometimes its just hard. On page fields why can't the first tab always show instead of having to do the left arrow click. Of course if you expand it full size not a problem. But then I lose the ability to easily use the properties. Sometimes I get wild and click on an icon inadvertently and close a portion, like where my form was displayed and it will take me 10 min trying to find it again. Why are the icons so small? Importing and Exporting takes more steps now and it accomplishes the same thing as before. I do like the filter ability on the Forms/Workflow list portions. I do like the Relationships feature. I'm sure I've missed some things, these are just the ones I immediately thought of. No, I'm not adverse to change but when I make changes I've consulted my customers and make a big effort to make it as easy as possible for them to adjust. How can I choose one thing? Not possible. As Remedy developers we just have to be adaptable! We are basically a custom shop so I do customizations every week to keep up with our constantly growing business and processes. So I hope you all are as pleased as I am. Susan On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Carin Sinclair wrote: > Hello there all, > > We would like to have your input on a Question. > > How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? > Do you miss the Admintool? > Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and > reliability. > > If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? > > > Thank you > Carin > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org > attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are" > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Carin, From my personal experience.. Day 1 to maybe Day 10 or Day 15ish.. Where do I find this.. where do I find that.. WT* is this? It looked hopeless and near miserable. But then most of that was mainly because of a huge change in the look and feel. The functionality is *mostly* all preserved. Its just implemented differently. From then on I think it’s a great tool minus the bugs they still are ironing out. Its pretty much stable since 7.6.x - still some bugs with 7.6.03 that literally stops you from doing things that were so easily doable before.. Some big bugs with 7.6.04 base version and Patch 1, but later patches of 7.6.04 are great.. Performance wise it’s a breeze compared to the older Admin tool. At this point I think if I have to be working on a 6.x system, I would hope that the earliest release of the studio which was available on a flash drive, is compatible with 6.3 (which they did claim was compatible). Its so much more better for navigation.. Word of caution though.. upgrade your desktop/laptop screen area.. if you thought a 1024x768 was just about ok to work with the Admin tool as a minimum max size, you need a lot more than that for the Dev studio.. I work with a 1920x1080 laptop, and I still wish it was a higher resolution than that, but I can just about get by.. anything less than this and I'd be pulling my hair.. or whatever is left of it... seriously.. Also its nice to be working on a client that has at least about 4 GB RAM.. you might get by with 2, but 4 is nice to have.. 8 would be really really nice.. remember to tweak your java startup memory on the studios ini file to take advantage of the higher available memory Joe -Original Message- From: Carin Sinclair Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 4:24 PM Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: DevStudio Tool Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
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Hello there all, We would like to have your input on a Question. How happy are you with DevStudio 7.5-7.6 to do customizations? Do you miss the Admintool? Are you satisfied with the DevStudio functionality, usability and reliability. If there was one thing you would change about DevStudio, what would it be? Thank you Carin ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org attend wwrug12 www.wwrug12.com ARSList: "Where the Answers Are"
