Re: BMC sues SNOW
Something else to consider is that BMC is also making major innovations again. The lawsuit seems to be pretty mundane corporate stuff that goes on all the time and I don’t think winning it would put SNOW out of business or make any huge difference in their product. What I think will matter if we revisit this conversation a year from now is how far BMC moves forward in that time versus where they were today, and whether or not that makes a better solution. My organization is already on 8.1 but we are already planning for a very busy 2015 (and through the end of this year too.) Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Richter, Howard (CEI - Atlanta) Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:50 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Either way its going to be a mess. Also I cannot think BMC would not be filing if they don’t have any legs to stand on (remember the idea of a counter suit for slander or something else). My guess is that because of one of the statements that the CEO of SNOW made “Big ‘ole corporates don’t stick around like they used to. To survive companies must innovate or die. A key part of the innovative process is to be inspired by, mash-up, and build upon previous work”, with the fact of how many former BMC/Remedy employees have move to SNOW. As we know change is needed and a good thing in the end (just at times painful). However, after reading and listening to the sales pitch (i.e. replace Remedy in only a few months), I just have this feeling that I am in the Wizard of Oz and unsure what is behind the curtain. If SNOW has nothing to hid and if they are the better product, then the market place will decide. I just have not seen yet (and I could be missing something) that they are. Just my 1.2 cents, Howard From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: [arslist] BMC sues SNOW ** A different way to think about this… Lets assume the patents are valid and are being infringed upon. By suing you are choosing to spend time/energy and “stifle” the market vs… Spend time/energy to create and inspire the market. So - as a developer - who do you want to support? -John On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Ken Pritchard pri...@ptd.netmailto:pri...@ptd.net wrote: We (developers) shouldn't really be worried about it - The BMC tools aren't going anywhere anytime soon due to this. I'd still be more worried about any plans Bain Capital has. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ortega, Jesus A Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW Should we be worried that BMC has to resort to suing the competition, rather than innovate and beat them fair and square. Is this a sign that BMC is very worried about what Service Now is doing to them? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: BMC sues SNOW Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own
Re: BMC sues SNOW
It seemed to work for Apple against Samsung, although in that case Samsung had already stopped selling the devices they were sued over. I remember a lot of controversy over that because the patents were very generic as well. Thanks, Shawn Pierson Remedy Developer | Energy Transfer From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:15 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** The other point is that you don't have to convince an IT expert this is a violation of technology patent. You have to convince a jury of people pulled at random from the general population - most of whom are intimidated by anything more complicated than a smart phone (and a lot of those are still using the default ring tone). I don't know which side would be more likely to use their peremptory challenges first to toss any sort of IT person. The plaintiffs may well know they're going to have a hard time convincing the IT guy their stuff is at all unique and worthwhile; at the same time the defense might want to toss anyone with any special knowledge in the IT realm. Gotta run, apparently my cell is on the default ring tone William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.commailto:wrentf...@stratacominc.com Office: 715-204-3061 or 701-232-5697x25 Cell: 715-498-5056 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:06 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Most patents these days aren't for new concepts, but slight - sometimes almost imperceptively so - tweaks in the way something is done. We'll see how these come out, but I think the poster who suggested that this was more a marketing ploy than anything might be more on the mark than most. Rick Cook On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Baker jba...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:jba...@javasystemsolutions.com wrote: Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.orghttp://www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8212 - Release Date: 09/14/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ Private and confidential as detailed here: http://www.energytransfer.com/mail_disclaimer.aspx
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Should we be worried that BMC has to resort to suing the competition, rather than innovate and beat them fair and square. Is this a sign that BMC is very worried about what Service Now is doing to them? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: BMC sues SNOW Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Information contained in this email is subject to the disclaimer found by clicking on the following link: http://www.lyondellbasell.com/Footer/Disclaimer/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
We (developers) shouldn't really be worried about it - The BMC tools aren't going anywhere anytime soon due to this. I'd still be more worried about any plans Bain Capital has. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ortega, Jesus A Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW Should we be worried that BMC has to resort to suing the competition, rather than innovate and beat them fair and square. Is this a sign that BMC is very worried about what Service Now is doing to them? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: BMC sues SNOW Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Information contained in this email is subject to the disclaimer found by clicking on the following link: http://www.lyondellbasell.com/Footer/Disclaimer/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
A different way to think about this… Lets assume the patents are valid and are being infringed upon. By suing you are choosing to spend time/energy and “stifle” the market vs… Spend time/energy to create and inspire the market. So - as a developer - who do you want to support? -John On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Ken Pritchard pri...@ptd.net wrote: We (developers) shouldn't really be worried about it - The BMC tools aren't going anywhere anytime soon due to this. I'd still be more worried about any plans Bain Capital has. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ortega, Jesus A Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW Should we be worried that BMC has to resort to suing the competition, rather than innovate and beat them fair and square. Is this a sign that BMC is very worried about what Service Now is doing to them? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: BMC sues SNOW Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years Information contained in this email is subject to the disclaimer found by clicking on the following link: http://www.lyondellbasell.com/Footer/Disclaimer/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Either way its going to be a mess. Also I cannot think BMC would not be filing if they don’t have any legs to stand on (remember the idea of a counter suit for slander or something else). My guess is that because of one of the statements that the CEO of SNOW made “Big ‘ole corporates don’t stick around like they used to. To survive companies must innovate or die. A key part of the innovative process is to be inspired by, mash-up, and build upon previous work”, with the fact of how many former BMC/Remedy employees have move to SNOW. As we know change is needed and a good thing in the end (just at times painful). However, after reading and listening to the sales pitch (i.e. replace Remedy in only a few months), I just have this feeling that I am in the Wizard of Oz and unsure what is behind the curtain. If SNOW has nothing to hid and if they are the better product, then the market place will decide. I just have not seen yet (and I could be missing something) that they are. Just my 1.2 cents, Howard From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:23 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: [arslist] BMC sues SNOW ** A different way to think about this… Lets assume the patents are valid and are being infringed upon. By suing you are choosing to spend time/energy and “stifle” the market vs… Spend time/energy to create and inspire the market. So - as a developer - who do you want to support? -John On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Ken Pritchard pri...@ptd.netmailto:pri...@ptd.net wrote: We (developers) shouldn't really be worried about it - The BMC tools aren't going anywhere anytime soon due to this. I'd still be more worried about any plans Bain Capital has. -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ortega, Jesus A Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 1:58 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW Should we be worried that BMC has to resort to suing the competition, rather than innovate and beat them fair and square. Is this a sign that BMC is very worried about what Service Now is doing to them? -Original Message- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baker Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:01 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: BMC sues SNOW Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Most patents these days aren't for new concepts, but slight - sometimes almost imperceptively so - tweaks in the way something is done. We'll see how these come out, but I think the poster who suggested that this was more a marketing ploy than anything might be more on the mark than most. Rick Cook On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Baker jba...@javasystemsolutions.com wrote: Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Unless they are able to get an injunction where SNOW cannot be sold to new clients it could backfire as a marketing ploy. If folks feel that SNOW is that close to BMC to have BMC worry and if the price point is lower for SNOW, it could drive more folks in that direction. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:06 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Most patents these days aren't for new concepts, but slight - sometimes almost imperceptively so - tweaks in the way something is done. We'll see how these come out, but I think the poster who suggested that this was more a marketing ploy than anything might be more on the mark than most. Rick Cook On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Baker jba...@javasystemsolutions.com mailto:jba...@javasystemsolutions.com wrote: Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org http://www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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The other point is that you don't have to convince an IT expert this is a violation of technology patent. You have to convince a jury of people pulled at random from the general population - most of whom are intimidated by anything more complicated than a smart phone (and a lot of those are still using the default ring tone). I don't know which side would be more likely to use their peremptory challenges first to toss any sort of IT person. The plaintiffs may well know they're going to have a hard time convincing the IT guy their stuff is at all unique and worthwhile; at the same time the defense might want to toss anyone with any special knowledge in the IT realm. Gotta run, apparently my cell is on the default ring tone William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.com Office: 715-204-3061 or 701-232-5697x25 Cell: 715-498-5056 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:06 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Most patents these days aren't for new concepts, but slight - sometimes almost imperceptively so - tweaks in the way something is done. We'll see how these come out, but I think the poster who suggested that this was more a marketing ploy than anything might be more on the mark than most. Rick Cook On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 2:01 PM, John Baker jba...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:jba...@javasystemsolutions.com wrote: Hello I've reviewed some of the patents and I was amused by what passes for a 'patent'. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US5978594 This patent is all about agents running on hosts, controlled by a central service. It is described as novel, but it's not something invented by BMC and is present in many other products. For example, both IBM Websphere and Oracle Weblogic have a concept of a central service (WAS deployment manager, WL admin server), that feeds instructions/configuration to nodes running JVMs. This is not novel - it's common place. http://www.google.com/patents/US6816898 Collecting performance metrics. I can do that in a couple of lines of Python and it's nothing new. A typical large bank will have lots of this stuff, both purchased and home grown, littered on their networks with an operations team constantly monitoring it. http://www.google.co.in/patents/US6895586 This one is awful. It sounds like BMC claim to have invented a system of storing data in a hierarchical document using namespaces - you know, what we commonly refer to as XML. There's no intellectual property in designing a schema. http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US7062683 This patent seems to suggest BMC have invented a method of troubleshooting via flowcharts - something I recall doing at school in the mid-80s, and I recall plenty being present in my 6502 Assembler guide. I suspect this and other patent relates to the way in which a BMC product works, but copying the concept is not a crime (Microsoft do not own the concept of a word processor, or sending an email). Indeed, for every concept pinched by a competitor, BMC will have pinched one themselves - such as graphing data to display metrics, which is almost certainly patented by some other company. I think the core problem with many IT patents is they aren't actually 'inventions' but a great way for lawyers to make money. After all, they are hardly going to turn around and tell a BMC senior manager, I'm sorry mate, but this patent has no value. Real inventions, such as James Dyson's bag-less vacuum cleaner, have real value. These patents seem to tell a competitor more about how the internals of a BMC product works rather than defining an 'invention' of real value. John Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but I can use Google :) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.orghttp://www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8212 - Release Date: 09/14/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Interesting. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Making the accusation is the easy part – proving it is much tougher – just ask JJ. They tried suing a (small) competitor regarding patent infringement of their test strips for diagnostic equipment. They must be very specific to win. Not saying they can’t, but it will be years and lots of in legal fees. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:09 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Interesting. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 tel:651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com http://www.kineticdata.com/ www.kineticdata.com I http://community.kineticdata.com/ community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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HP is also suing Service Now over patent infringement. I won't bother linking it here- just Google it. They sued in February for similar things. William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.com Office: 715-204-3061 or 701-232-5697x25 Cell: 715-498-5056 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Ken Pritchard Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:13 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Making the accusation is the easy part – proving it is much tougher – just ask JJ. They tried suing a (small) competitor regarding patent infringement of their test strips for diagnostic equipment. They must be very specific to win. Not saying they can’t, but it will be years and lots of in legal fees. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of LJ LongWing Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:09 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Interesting. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 9:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ I community.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8212 - Release Date: 09/14/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://goog_1607741485 http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/# Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://goog_1607741485 http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/# Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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..and that's the literal definition of prior art! William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.com Office: 715-204-3061 or 701-232-5697x25 Cell: 715-498-5056 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of John Sundberg Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:44 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.commailto:remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://goog_1607741485 http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/#http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ I community.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ I community.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8212 - Release Date: 09/14/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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I can't see how any of these actually stand up in court. If you read the first patent it basically says get the details of a computer system into a text file and load the information into a database If that's the case then Tivoli, et al, look out! What a waste of time, money and resource imho. -- Danny Kellett dkell...@javasystemsolutions.com On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:49 PM, Rick Cook wrote: ** Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg [1]john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: [2]http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaview er/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook [4]remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. [5]http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/0 3/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/# Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg [6]john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** [7]http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sue s-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. [8]651-556-0930 I[9]john.sundb...@kineticdata.com [10]www.kineticdata.com I[11]community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. [12]651-556-0930 I[13]john.sundb...@kineticdata.com [14]www.kineticdata.com I[15]community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ References Visible links 1. mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com 2. http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png 4. mailto:remedyr...@gmail.com 5. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ 6. mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com 7. http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html 8. tel:651-556-0930 9. mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com 10. http://www.kineticdata.com/ 11. http://community.kineticdata.com/ 12. tel:651-556-0930 13. mailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com 14. http://www.kineticdata.com/ 15. http://community.kineticdata.com/ Hidden links: 17. http://goog_1607741485/ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
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Yeah but most patent lawsuits are usually about 1 of 2 things. 1. Another source of revenue for the company when the other companies just pay a settlement to make it go away. 2. To force the other company out of business with all of the wasted time and money that eventually they go bankrupt. Levi Lippincott / Remedy Administrator +1 402 561 7014 office +1 402 321 5421 mobile levi.lippinc...@interpublic.commailto:levi.lippinc...@interpublic.com Interpublic Group 6825 Pine Street, Omaha, NE 68106 Talent is a Gift; But Character is a Choice. -Matt Grotewold- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Danny Kellett Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** I can't see how any of these actually stand up in court. If you read the first patent it basically says get the details of a computer system into a text file and load the information into a database If that's the case then Tivoli, et al, look out! What a waste of time, money and resource imho. -- Danny Kellett dkell...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:dkell...@javasystemsolutions.com On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:49 PM, Rick Cook wrote: ** Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.commailto:remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/#http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive this message for the intended recipient), you may not use, copy, disseminate or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail, and delete the message. Thank you very much. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Keep in mind the US patent office gave a patent to a guy for a method of swinging sideways, which was invented by his daughter (and every kid who ever sat on a swing): http://www.google.com/patents/US6368227 William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.com Office: 715-204-3061 or 701-232-5697x25 Cell: 715-498-5056 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Danny Kellett Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** I can't see how any of these actually stand up in court. If you read the first patent it basically says get the details of a computer system into a text file and load the information into a database If that's the case then Tivoli, et al, look out! What a waste of time, money and resource imho. -- Danny Kellett dkell...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:dkell...@javasystemsolutions.com On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:49 PM, Rick Cook wrote: ** Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.commailto:remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/#http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8212 - Release Date: 09/14/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
I can tell you Fred was never an artist. Not even close. Good artists are influenced by great artists. They NEVER copy. Great Artists go after their own style even though it may be new and revolutionary - especially if it's new and revolutionary. They do not ever steal. They have their name all over their work. You can recognize it even before you see a signature. Those who copy may have a talent, but that does not mean they are artists. They just can repeat what others have done to near perfection. That's why they are called tribute artists - tribute bands for example. So in other words, is he saying that by copying, SNOW was paying some sort of tribute to the original artists? Joe _ From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:08 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying . . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I've been a thief all my life. Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-s ervicenow-insiders-including-moores-/# http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii- servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for -Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com http://www.kineticdata.com/ www.kineticdata.com I http://community.kineticdata.com/ community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Ah look, they are getting the Peregrine band back together for Financial Raid 2014. It has been 10 years, time for a reunion tour. Let me guess, they have some people singing backing vocals from the joint. Jason On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://goog_1607741485 http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/# Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
I am pretty sure all artists steal. For example — they steal the idea of putting a representation of their idea into a sharable form. Oh - and a lot of them seem to draw pictures/etc… of other people. (Of course - I don’t think that patent is still valid). -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Joe D'Souza jdso...@shyle.net wrote: ** I can tell you Fred was never an artist. Not even close. Good artists are influenced by great artists. They NEVER copy. Great Artists go after their own style even though it may be new and revolutionary – especially if it’s new and revolutionary. They do not ever steal. They have their name all over their work. You can recognize it even before you see a signature. Those who copy may have a talent, but that does not mean they are artists. They just can repeat what others have done to near perfection. That’s why they are called tribute artists – tribute bands for example. So in other words, is he saying that by copying, SNOW was paying some sort of tribute to the original artists? Joe -- *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] *On Behalf Of *Rick Cook *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:08 AM *To:* arslist@ARSLIST.ORG *Subject:* Re: BMC sues SNOW ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://goog_1607741485 http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/# http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- *John Sundberg* *Kinetic Data, Inc.* *Your Business. Your Process.* 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- *John Sundberg* Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930 I john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.com I community.kineticdata.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Your tax dollars at work…. From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of William Rentfrow Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:18 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** Keep in mind the US patent office gave a patent to a guy for a method of swinging sideways, which was invented by his daughter (and every kid who ever sat on a swing): http://www.google.com/patents/US6368227 William Rentfrow wrentf...@stratacominc.commailto:wrentf...@stratacominc.com Office: 715-204-3061 or 701-232-5697x25 Cell: 715-498-5056 From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Danny Kellett Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10 AM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** I can't see how any of these actually stand up in court. If you read the first patent it basically says get the details of a computer system into a text file and load the information into a database If that's the case then Tivoli, et al, look out! What a waste of time, money and resource imho. -- Danny Kellett dkell...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:dkell...@javasystemsolutions.com On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:49 PM, Rick Cook wrote: ** Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.commailto:remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/#http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8212 - Release Date: 09/14/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date. _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ Portions of this message may be confidential under an exemption to Ohio's public records law or under a legal privilege. If you have received this message in error or due to an unauthorized transmission or interception, please delete all copies from your system without disclosing, copying, or transmitting this message. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
All, I wonder if its based on some of the former BMC/Remedy employees that now work for SNOW and the fact that employers require NDAs. Just a thought. Howard From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Danny Kellett Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:10 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: [arslist] BMC sues SNOW ** I can't see how any of these actually stand up in court. If you read the first patent it basically says get the details of a computer system into a text file and load the information into a database If that's the case then Tivoli, et al, look out! What a waste of time, money and resource imho. -- Danny Kellett dkell...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:dkell...@javasystemsolutions.com On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:49 PM, Rick Cook wrote: ** Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.commailto:remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/#http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/C2PJY6GunF7GX2PQPOmvUq6rRgRshdaJyp0zKSNLWFZCbfel40ECZwGasm501HMJ79BufXyWNdn46EHnGWFGZQ== to report this email as spam. _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ ___ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Where the Answers Are, and have been for 20 years
Re: BMC sues SNOW
Actually a pretty good marketing strategy. Company looking for a solution might be shy of Service Now if there were the possibility of a massive upgrade due to some court decision. Better to pick some other provider now (e.g. BMC) and avoid that possibility. Those thinking of jumping from BMC to SNOW, might think again or wait. Mark From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Richter, Howard (CEI - Atlanta) Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 3:09 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: BMC sues SNOW ** All, I wonder if its based on some of the former BMC/Remedy employees that now work for SNOW and the fact that employers require NDAs. Just a thought. Howard From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Danny Kellett Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:10 PM To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG Subject: Re: [arslist] BMC sues SNOW ** I can't see how any of these actually stand up in court. If you read the first patent it basically says get the details of a computer system into a text file and load the information into a database If that's the case then Tivoli, et al, look out! What a waste of time, money and resource imho. -- Danny Kellett dkell...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:dkell...@javasystemsolutions.com On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:49 PM, Rick Cook wrote: ** Maybe, but legally, there is a difference between stealing a concept (nothing new under the sun) and stealing (the details) how that concept is brought to market. It doesn't help that the SNOW C-team is full of people with a track record of unethical, if not illegal, behavior. That BMC isn't the only competitor suing them adds weight to the claim. Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:44 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** That is a “stolen quote” … Many people say that line. Indirectly - it is saying - nothing is invented - just new interpretations of existing stuff. Take for example: http://www.google.com/patents/US7617073 Adding colors to elements - based on health - and then make special marks based on a dependents components health. This sort of seems to be previous art. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Joseph_Minard#mediaviewer/File:Minard-carte-viande-1858.png (Looks old to me) -John On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Rick Cook remedyr...@gmail.commailto:remedyr...@gmail.com wrote: ** The money quote: ...company founder, Fred Luddy, described his approach to innovation by saying “. . . good artists copy and great artists steal, and I’ve been a thief all my life.” Little tip: That's maybe not something you say in public, Fred. You may remember Mr. Luddy as part of the Peregrine gang, which looks to be up to their old shenanigans. Details here. http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/#http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblogs/news-ticker/2013/apr/03/peregrine-ii-servicenow-insiders-including-moores-/ Rick Cook On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:01 AM, John Sundberg john.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com wrote: ** http://www.bmc.com/news/press-releases/2014/BMC-Software-Sues-ServiceNow-for-Patent-Infringement.html -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ -- John Sundberg Kinetic Data, Inc. Your Business. Your Process. 651-556-0930tel:651-556-0930 ijohn.sundb...@kineticdata.commailto:john.sundb...@kineticdata.com www.kineticdata.comhttp://www.kineticdata.com/ Icommunity.kineticdata.comhttp://community.kineticdata.com/ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ Click herehttps://www.mailcontrol.com/sr/C2PJY6GunF7GX2PQPOmvUq6rRgRshdaJyp0zKSNLWFZCbfel40ECZwGasm501HMJ79BufXyWNdn46EHnGWFGZQ== to report this email as spam. _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ _ARSlist: Where the Answers Are and have been for 20 years_ This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have
