[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
I'd love to! Some of the nicest people live there! I beleive that there are 3 New Jerseys. The so-called industrial North, central, which is us, although my Northern friends call Asbury South Jersey, and South Jersey, that calls Asbury, North Jersey! Jerseyjohn and others, I'm no longer going to post about racism, racist attitudes, etc., Why? You have a poster who either has his/her head in the sand and nothing you or I say will convince him/her, otherwise. IT EXISTS! Just look at who runs the government to who runs the prisons. Oh yeah, we've made progress. I can walk into a restaurant and hopefully be served. What happened to all the dime stores like Woolworths, Newberrys, Kress, McCrory's, etc.? They ALL went out of business! Why? They didn't change with the times! Sure lunch counters were integrated in the 60's but who would eat from these greasy spoons? Also, if you do business with the government, you HAVE to hire minorities, as in Blacks. Why? We pay federal tax, too! We pay ncome tax, too! Just as the revolutionaries argued against paying tax to King george without representation, why should any black person pay taxes? We're not represented fairly. Matter of fact, we should be exempt, until reparations are paid to us for 450 years of free labor, okay Blue Bishop? How'd you go to law school? What did your parents do for a living? Did you have a maid? Butler? Mexican gardener? Au pair? You sound like you've been under a rock, don't read the papers, never heard of police brutality, Abner Louima, Emmett Till, or the T- shirts, NYC cops wore during the Giuilani Administration, We Own The Night! NO? Italians, Irish, German, ALL have been discriminated from the moment they touched these shores! You need a lesson in History! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *yawn* next time I go to my parents, you wanna come down to a farm? You wanna see how chickens go from an egg to your grocery store? Wanna see sausage made? Did you ever wonder why it's called scrapple? do you know WHY butchers wear white aprons? You're probably too busy in your quests to take a drive down to Cumberland County for an afternoon, so how can you expect some basketball star to take a month out of his too brief career to see how his shoes are made? Me, I personally know too many good Americans who are out of work to worry about some Malayindopolynesian who is working. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Similarly, we have been asking Nike endorsed athletes to come with us to Indonesia for quite a while, so that they can meet personally the people who make their clothes and shoes, and who are working in sweatshops. But most athletes don't want to go to Indonesia or Mexico or Thailand to meet sweatshop workers firsthand b/c then they might feel guilty and they can't continue to be conveniently uninformed - the whole if I don't see it, it doesn't exist thing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1373
if it's like a bankruptcy sale for a large chunk of land that i was involved with - it was even advertised in MLS. Over 200 attorneys from all walks of gvt, public notices, etc. Result: 10 people were in the court. 2 bidders. The rest attorneys. All done in 8 minutes. The Bankruptcy process in the AP case lasted for such a long period of time along with the cast of those involved, deterred most people/groups. Any group with means did approach the city. I even spent $212 for a tiny ad in the WSJ. The Sass group made WHAT APPEARS TO TURN OUT to be a very good bet. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1373
the story (stories) go so much deeper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1374
Tom - Now I'm really confused. Didn't you say MD Sass was the only one who wanted the rights? How can you say there were others negotiating for them then? How do you justify both statements? Maureen In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 4 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:16:39 - From: "bluebishop82" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Digest Number 1373Maureen,If you are talking about some tiny little public notice in the back of the newspaper, there was no such advertising. There was however much better advertisment. For years, back to the mid 1990's, it was all over the news that different groups were trying to negotiate for the rights. Well, the bankruptcy trustee owned the rights. Anyone could have contacted the bankruptcy trustee to negotiate for those rights.Even when MD Sass bought the tax liens, it was very public in the papers that the bankruptcy judge stopped it. At that point too, anyone could have intervened in the bankruptcy case and bid on the liens and the redevelopment rights.MD Sass did. No one else did. Good for MD Sass. Speak up - It's America!!Maureen NevinRestore Radio 88.1FM - "5" Years on the Radio!!Asbury Park's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 SPONSORED LINKS United state patent United state flag United state patent search Trademark united state United state quarters Asbury park nj YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Racism
Title: AOL Email boone37 It's no need in wasting your breath with blue bishop. He is indeed an arrogant, unsophisticated,know nothing individual. He is behind the times,and has no real awareness of other peoples plight. A person like him is dangerous. So you can only feel sorry for the poor misguided man, if that's what he is. We know the plight of the people, and not just ours. Racism flows in both ways. What need to be done is the education of our people, i mean the real facts about our people, not just from the slavery aspect.Our children need to know their true history and worth. We were KINGS QUEENS on this earth, while a few were still in caves(no offence). Racism is the ignorance of the nature of a people, and fear that these people will rise back to the position that they held before.It all has to go back to where it came from, just like fashion.They know it, and that's whysome struggle so hard to keep us back.Whenever there is period where the people start educating themselves, they push another drug on the market so as to rock you back to sleep for another 10 or 20 yrs. It's ben proven. Now we are at the point where a lot of the youth think their only way out is selling drugs or taking drugs. It's a sad situation, but nonetheless, straight out genocide. mental genocide with physical impressions.We have to teach our own, and teach them true history, and not have us worshipping the forefathers who never gave a damn about us as black people. The education system is still playing games with our youth. They make us think mcdonalds is a good job, they work there to, but in a few months, they are managers, then owners. Education is the key.We definitely need to teach our own history. The curicullum in schools now are passe.That's why the children don't care about going, nothing to spark their interest. I took a business management course ,and during the history part of it, this teacher had the audacity to tell the class, no black people were here before columbus. Terrible hunh? But these are the conditions we subject our children to.All that negative rap, it's absurd. They know how to keep up with those nasty words better than they know their abc's. So a lot of it is our fault to. But the part that belongs to the others, we definitely have to fight.We can't let them or ourselves keep us at the bottom of the rung. Peace. p.s. And those racist who call us ns, they have to understand that there are ns in all races. And theirs are a damn sight worse than ours. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1374
JJ - Thanks for putting us back then. How easy it is to forget the details of how we got here, amidst the rush of all the other minutia of the years since. I didn't realize or had forgotten just how tight that timeframe was - to have the rights still in play on 7/29 and suddenly gone to Sasson 8/2 -- 4 days!! That gives no time to unwind one offer, beforeadequately analyzinganother. This is so typical of the frenzied way so many of the details of the redevelopment were and continue to be handled. This crisis mentality - exemplified so well by Duany's 2 week review of the plan, given a Frenchtermused only inarchitectural circlesto make it sound chic and exotic - has stalked us and underminedevery bargaining position. Hell, it was the most expensive two weeks known to man. What did he get $200,000?? Does anyone recall the exact amount? All this rushing does nothing to benefit this city. And the agendas for the council meetings are another glaring example. To properly inform the public it takes most of a reasonable public meeting to introduce or passone ordinance. We shove through three to five at ashot. No wonder everyone's exhausted and ready to answer yes to anything. Don't you think that hurts our ability to judge these matters? Maureen In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 22:26:03 - From: "jerseyjohn99" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Digest Number 1373actually BB, if you recall, the city always contended that Carabetta lost the redevelopment rights when he failed to perform according to the 1991 agreement. A federal mediator, former New York City deputy mayor Milton Mollen, was appointed to mediate between Carabetta and the city. During this mediation, the city heard proposals from at least 7 developers.The mediation was ongoing when the current city council took office on July 1, 2001. They actually held a meeting with Ted Murnick on 7/29/01 to discuss redevelopment rights. On 8/2/01, MD Sass announced that they had bought out Carrabetta's interest and appointed themselves as redevelopers. Speak up - It's America!!Maureen NevinRestore Radio 88.1FM - "5" Years on the Radio!!Asbury Park's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Dancing in the Dark Made Great Interview
Click here: Restore by the Shore - Home - Dancing in the Dark mystery author Mary Jane Clark turned into a wonderful interview last night on Restore by the Shore. Clark is a very compassionate, intelligent woman, who shares our sentiments about preserving Asbury landmarks. Listen to her interview on the net now - at This Week's Show click - and then meet her in person at Antic Hay Books, Saturday night from 7 - 9. Lots of other good stuff on this show - the making of the commemoration of 125 years of the Church of the Holy Spirit with Werner Baumgartner and Frank D'Alessandro, and the latest report from MizKiz, with the Kiz'n Tell Report. Our musical guest was also a treat: John Padovano, The Ironbound Crooner. (johnpadovano.com) Thanks for listening! Maureen Speak up - It's America!!Maureen NevinRestore Radio 88.1FM - "5" Years on the Radio!!Asbury Park's Own Live Talk Show601 Bangs AvenueListen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM orListen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/Call the show 732-775-0821Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1374
Maureen, Right back to where we started. Your point was that 50 cents on the dollar paid by Sass was too good of a deal for the tax liens. My point was that when SASS bourtht the liens and the rights (it was a package deal in the bankruptcy court)that anyone could have bid more for them to the bankruptcy trustee. Therefore, if it was such a great deal for Sass at the time, why did no one, not even all these others trying to get in, out-bid Sass? It belies your point that paying 50 cents on the dollar was such a great deal when no one else was willing to take the risk on Asbury and offer more money. Sass deserves the credit for taking the risk. If it was such an incredible deal like you and others on your show have so often maintained, someone would have outbid them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom - Now I'm really confused. Didn't you say MD Sass was the only one who wanted the rights? How can you say there were others negotiating for them then? How do you justify both statements? Maureen In a message dated 8/5/2005 4:43:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 4 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:16:39 - From: bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Digest Number 1373 Maureen, If you are talking about some tiny little public notice in the back of the newspaper, there was no such advertising. There was however much better advertisment. For years, back to the mid 1990's, it was all over the news that different groups were trying to negotiate for the rights. Well, the bankruptcy trustee owned the rights. Anyone could have contacted the bankruptcy trustee to negotiate for those rights. Even when MD Sass bought the tax liens, it was very public in the papers that the bankruptcy judge stopped it. At that point too, anyone could have intervened in the bankruptcy case and bid on the liens and the redevelopment rights. MD Sass did. No one else did. Good for MD Sass. Speak up - It's America!! Maureen Nevin Restore Radio 88.1FM - 5 Years on the Radio!! Asbury Park's Own Live Talk Show 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/ Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Racism
ATALAC48 and Sharon Boone: If you want to continually paint Black people as being nothing more than trampled upon victims, oppressed by racism and unable to help themselves, then I suggest it is you that is hurting them, not anyone else. My view of American Blacks is quite different. Since you inquired about my past, and wondered about my butlers, maids, etc., I will fill you in correctly. I was raised on Asbury's west side. I was about 9 when the riots occurred, and stayed right here while it occurred (where were you two?). Considering where I was and the time frame, you are a tad off about the butlers and maids. For many years, I was the only white kid in my class. My view of Black people today is shaped by my interactions back then. As I recall, the smartest kid in the class was black. The nicest kid in the class was black. The kid with the wealthiest parents in the class was black. The best looking kid was black. The best-dressed kid was black. The most talented athlete was black. The most talented musician was black. My view of American Blacks is, by experience, very positive. They were the dominant and admired people in my neighborhood when I was growing up. What I don't recall was any of these successful black people crying about racism and claiming to be held down and oppressed. They excelled. They loved the American dream and worked it. Asbury's 3 days of riots was not performed by a majority of Asbury Park's black people. It was a handful of lawbreakers, and most of Asbury Park's black people wanted nothing to do with it. My best recollection of that time was our black neighbors and friends coming to our house during the riots. Staying with us, eating with us, sitting on our porch. Making sure we weren't the target of lawbreakers just because we were white. It was a real show of black/white solidarity against those few lawbreakers that were wrecking the City. A positive story of Black civility that you won't read in the AP Press. The Asbury Park Press will only tell stories where black people look like thugs out committing crimes. My recollection of Asbury Park black people is much nicer, and far more accurate. If you want to join the Press in portraying Black people as wild animals, or as you protray them - some poor lot consumed by racism who don't have the guts to help themselves, be my guest. Lump everyone together as if they don't have their own minds. But I ask you - who among us is actually the racist? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: boone37 It's no need in wasting your breath with blue bishop. He is indeed an arrogant, unsophisticated,know nothing individual. He is behind the times,and has no real awareness of other peoples plight. A person like him is dangerous. So you can only feel sorry for the poor misguided man, if that's what he is. We know the plight of the people, and not just ours. Racism flows in both ways. What need to be done is the education of our people, i mean the real facts about our people, not just from the slavery aspect.Our children need to know their true history and worth. We were KINGS QUEENS on this earth, while a few were still in caves(no offence). Racism is the ignorance of the nature of a people, and fear that these people will rise back to the position that they held before.It all has to go back to where it came from, just like fashion.They know it, and that's why some struggle so hard to keep us back.Whenever there is period where the people start educating themselves, they push another drug on the market so as to rock you back to sleep for another 10 or 20 yrs. It's ben proven. Now we are at the point where a lot of the youth think their only way out is selling drugs or taking drugs. It's a sad situation, but nonetheless, straight out genocide. mental genocide with physical impressions.We have to teach our own, and teach them true history, and not have us worshipping the forefathers who never gave a damn about us as black people. The education system is still playing games with our youth. They make us think mcdonalds is a good job, they work there to, but in a few months, they are managers, then owners. Education is the key.We definitely need to teach our own history. The curicullum in schools now are passe.That's why the children don't care about going, nothing to spark their interest. I took a business management course ,and during the history part of it, this teacher had the audacity to tell the class, no black people were here before columbus. Terrible hunh? But these are the conditions we subject our children to.All that negative rap, it's absurd. They know how to keep up with those nasty words better than they know their abc's. So a lot of it is our fault to. But the part that belongs to the others, we definitely have to fight.We can't
[AsburyPark] Grand Opening Party
Hello everyone The staff at Jersey Shore Wedding Chapel and The Safe- Way Group would like you to attend the grand opening party at our office 601 Bangs Ave. # 502 stop by and say hi. 6pm till 9pm Thanks Wayne Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
