date:20050822

However, anything that can curtail or end what has started would be
disastrous. Can you imagine having 3 C8's darkening Asbury's
waterfront. Let them get these 3 projects done Right now, leave well
enough alone, there is new, and quality construction going up on
Asbury's waterfront. In Long Branch, there is new, inferior
construction that will not survive a nor'easter that hits harder than
usual.

Absent a `master developer' that understands and is willing to invest
the necessary moneys in infrastructure, amenities and general
aesthetics, the anything that can curtail or end what has started
already exists.  C8's Dean Geibel, has already stated that [that]
project would not be built till it was pre-sold and the other `fast
track' projects show no signs of breaking any speed records.

As regards who is building quality construction, the jury's out;
certainly the renderings, which mean nothing as to quality, promise no
more than that which Long Branch already has.  I'm afraid the most
that can be said of Asbury's waterfront is that there is `some' new
construction; whether it is well enough we will have to wait.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Werner, With all due respect to you, you are a person who has nothing 
 but the best of hopes and wishes for the city and the people who live 
 and work and play in Asbury Park. You seem to forget that prior to the 
 Weldon led takeover, no one but no one was willing to invest a dime in 
 the waterfront. Is the deal with Asbury Partners a bad one, YES, a 
 resounding yes, but it is better than no deal and 20 more years of 
 poverty and decay. Should the taxpayers of Asbury Park hold the council 
 responsible and force them to do their jobs and rectify what has been 
 done, another resounding yes. However, anything that can curtail
 or end what has started would be disastrous. Can you imagine having 3 
 C8's darkening Asbury's waterfront. Let them get these 3 projects done, 
 then it is the time for throwing the fat in the hot frying pan. Right 
 now, leave well enough alone, there is new, and quality construction 
 going up on Asbury's waterfront. In Long Branch, there is new, inferior 
 construction finished on their waterfront. Construction that will not 
 survive a nor'easter that hits harder than usual. Of your 3 choices I 
 will take a pass until further notice.





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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
 You seem to forget that prior to the 
 Weldon led takeover, no one but no one was willing to invest
 a dime in the waterfront.

My memory of quite good and that is just not true. In just the year 
or two BW (before Weldon) the following were making plays for 
redevelopment rights:

Windstar Financial Services Inc., Renaissance Development Co., Sitar 
Realty, Berman Development Co,. The Applied Cos., Roseland 
Properties, Lorterdan Properties, Westminster Realty, the State and a 
rumour of M. Jackson being interested again.

 Is the deal with Asbury Partners a bad one, YES, a 
 resounding yes, but it is better than no deal and 20 more years
 of poverty and decay. Should the taxpayers of Asbury Park hold
 the council responsible and force them to do their jobs and
 rectify what has been done, another resounding yes.

Sounds like you support my proposed otion #2.

 However, anything that can curtail or end what has started
 would be disastrous. Can you imagine having 3 C8's darkening
 Asbury's waterfront. Let them get these 3 projects done, 

This line of thinking plays right into the lie that questioning 
anything will stop everything. The City is again being held hostage, 
by mass psychology.

 Of your 3 choices I will take a pass until further notice.

You have made a choice, appears to me - following option #1, and 
supporting #2.

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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This line of thinking plays right into the lie that questioning 
 anything will stop everything. The City is again being held hostage, 
 by mass psychology.

These are the scare tactics I referred to in prior reference to the pre-
election period. Critics of the redevelopment plan (being critical is a 
matter of degree) are painted as threatening to stop all development. I 
agree let these fast-track (sic) projects go through. However, when 
they ask for some amendation of the agreement (height, etc.) how about 
getting something in return. There is something very wrong here (am I 
not a genius). Someone is advising the city leaders to sit back and not 
fight for what it ours and what could probably be gotten a lot easier 
than they are led to believe. There is a common denominator here. In 
the best of ironies, I hear Asbury Partners is suing a private group 
who is looking to develop a parcel in the waterfront area (left out of 
the plan, not in Carabetta's rights and not subject condemnation) for 
damaging its economic position. How could they do that? Oh yeah, build 
something.





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Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1395

2005-08-22 Thread restore881FM

Gary-
The very fact that people are just now realizing what guests on Restore Radio - now Asbury Radio - have been saying for the past five years is a testament to the disinformation campaignwaged so successfully againstthis important forum. "Oh, don't listen to that show, she's so negative. They're just against redevelopment." Yeah, we just get off on weed strewn lots and garbage.
Thanks for the opportunity to vent that.
Great seeing you at Clearwater this weekend.
Maureen

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Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:59:25 -0400 From: Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Re: Another Blast from the Past Kinda sounds like there are enough issues being brought up to take a secondlook at the plan, doesn't it? I mean, the Ground Zero comparison shows thateven something of that level can be scrapped and started over.The things I'm hearing people say are either that they weren't aware of thelack of tourism focus or that the plan never cared for tourism but we'restill expecting tourism to be ok. I don't see how you can have it bothways. You either plan for tourism or you don't. If all you want isresidential and the plan (things like parking) is solely based onresidential - don't expect business from elsewhere.

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Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1395

2005-08-22 Thread restore881FM







The Journal of Foreign Affairsspelled outthe very real - Reagan unrelated - reasons for the downfall of the Soviet economy in 1980.

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Ronnie did kill the Commies, by taking advantage of thier  bureaucracy. He knew if he outspent them, they would continually  grow thier bureaucracy until they collapsed under their own weight.  God bless that man. 


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Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1395

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Just a few observations from Asbury Radio's table -
After two days in the blistering heat at the Clearwater Festival, perhaps not the best environment for obtaining positive feedback, I perceived a decidedly sober tone among visitors. This is in contrast to past years when they were almost giddy in their expectations for the "redevelopment," when it was hard to get them to focus on the details of the CAFRA application we'd layed out on the table before them, which called for densities of 3166 condos, parking lot on the dunesand minimum parking.

The euphoria over the reopened Casino passage to Ocean Grove, with the possible exception of an always exuberant Stan (Rock'n Roll Tour) Goldstein, seems to have abated already for most visitors. 
They like the bustle on the boardwalk, but complain about the parking. And they were skeptical about the deserted boardwalk north of Convention Hall.
Why the cooldown? Most who stopped to chat seemed concerned about the lack of rehab overall, in particular the murky state of Wesley Lake, the obvious lack of concern for the protection of that waterway, the loss of the trees,and the unsightly state of the land bordering its north side that seems to be dragging out beyond reason. They asked how much longer Lake Ave would have to be closed. They questioned the lingering piles of dirt and crap that replaced the Palace and 1888 carousel house. Most acknowledged that the sacrifice of the old was a price they were willing to make formoving forward, but felt they're not seeing enough progress to balance the bargain.
And, they expressed suspicion about the city's dedication to restore the landmarks, because of the current appearance and the time that's gone by since the City started its comeback.
One couple asked how the condos could be sellingas well as reported, preconstruction, when the surrounding area still looked so bad.
The attitude overall: far more rational exhuberance.

Maureen



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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:39:13 - From: "wernerapnj" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Another Blast from the Past--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, "bluebishop82" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Talk about your strawmen - no one said that. The point is from the  plan, the MOU, Duany's comments,etc. we do know EXACTLY WHAT THE PLAN IS!!! The assumption is that the 'Plan/Deal' that we have on the table was arrived at through a proper, above board, legal process.I submit to you that it was not, and that's what should have a lotof people up in arms. Put on your attorney hat and ponder the following:Held up at the bankruptcy were the "redevelopment rights". That right by law was to implement the adopted plan in effect at the time, the 1991 redevelopment plan. That plan specified land uses, zoning, densities, eminent domain issues, etc.A party comes to the bankruptcy and purchases those redevelopment rights. He is buying the rights and obligation spelledout in the adopted 1991 plan.Also drafted is a contract, the MOU, which violates the 1991redevelopment plan in effect at the time. This is where things went wrong. One example of many - The blocks along Wesley Lake were zoned for corporate conference/exhibition space. The MOU says those blocks will be condos.This is a basic violation of land use law. A redevelopment contract must be consistant with and impliment the adopted plan. Inpurchaseing the redevopment rights one was purchasing the right to build conference/exhibition space in conformance with the plan. Not condos.A contract can not modify a land use plan, the plan is the governing instrument. Unless or until the plan is modified it is the law. Onecan not then point to the MOU and say to hell with the zoning in place and use it to justify a land use change.Doing so violates the public trust and land use law. The plan comes first then the contract to impliment the plan. In our case a contract was entered into first and a plan built around it.Fishman walked away from the bankruptcy table with more than what was up for consideration. Just compare the MOU with the 1991 plan. That's not to say the plan could not have been changed later, but is was changed to conform to a pre-arranged contract. BIG RED FLAGS should have gone up at the time.What's your legal opinion on this?Werner


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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just a few observations from Asbury Radio's table -
 And, they expressed suspicion about the city's dedication to restore 
the 
 landmarks, because of the current appearance and the time that's gone 
by since the 
 City started its comeback.
 One couple asked how the condos could be selling as well as reported, 
 preconstruction, when the surrounding area still looked so bad.

I was beginning to think we were only in the universe, but it appears 
to have made contact with other intelligent life forms. Thank goodness 
we are not alone after all.

I see this tempering of enthusiam as both good and bad. The good is 
that it brings some rationality (and perhaps responsibility) to the 
table, much like rationality coming back to the stock market. While 
healthy for the long run, some must bear the pain. Like most real 
estate professionals and layman alike, I am waiting for the bubble to 
burst. Just last week I had Donald Trump ask me what I thought was 
going to happen in the marketplace. I looked at him and said, you're 
asking me, you're Donald Trump? That is exactly how perplexing it has 
been. Just like in golf and a swing at the plate, poor follow through 
can ruin your game in real estate. I have my fingers crossed that this 
will not happen in AP, but I have seen it before. When a market 
downturn hits, those areas being gentrified that are not substantially 
completed, gets hit worse and take longer to recover. While no one is 
predicting as serious a downturn as occured in the late-1980's to early-
1990's (does anyone really know for sure), market conditions are 
eroding as we speak. Let's be frank about it. In addition to, and in 
spite of its special nature, what has brought most to AP is its 
availibility of relative bargains. Those bargains are already 
dissappearing. If and when the market goes down, there will be relative 
bargains elsewhere for many. In places with less crime, better schools 
and more substantial and better maintained infrastructure. While those 
areas may not have the same funky allure of AP, people will weigh the 
pros with the cons in making a decision. If the price of the new condos 
cannot be obtained (and let me tell you that there are some pretty 
heady projetions), they will not get built, at least until market 
conditions improve. If caught (as I am fond of comparing the current 
state of AP's redevelopment process) with its pants down, there will 
be the perception that they may never get built and that it was another 
false start. Now, if substantial work had already progressed on the 
pavillions and historic structures, and other amenities of the general 
area, the downturn would be weathered differently. Forgive me for being 
blue this week, it was just a full moon in the past few days.






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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
 There is a common denominator here. In 
 the best of ironies, I hear Asbury Partners is suing a private 
group 
...

Weldon,Fishman,Aaron + Naive City Council = Land Grab

Thinking of Ironies, I suggested a while ago that the City declare 
the beachfront, east of Ocean Avenue, a redevelopment area and 
exercise eminent domain on the Pavilions, Con Hall, Casino, Etc.

Oh, you thought it already was a redevelopment area? No it isn't.

It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me. 
That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront 
back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain.

Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine.

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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
 Now, if substantial work had already progressed on the 
 pavillions and historic structures, and other amenities of
 the general area, the downturn would be weathered differently.
 Forgive me for being blue this week, it was just a full moon
 in the past few days.

That is exactly why a preservation based plan, the 1991 plan for 
example, would have been better for Asbury Park. There was a 
substantial desire of the public for that to happen. See the 
Preservation Plan in the files section:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/

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[AsburyPark] Re: Start over or amend?

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I don't think Asbury Partners or their supporters need to wage 
 a disinformation campaign when the people opposing them are being 
 so contradictory.

I don't think we are contradictory, it's just free thinking. I 
understand your post is a constructive criticisms and I will take it 
as that. Quite frankly, I guess most of us do not like the plan as 
written and see Asbury Partners for what it is, and wish both would 
just go away and we could get something/someone better. However, we 
realize that that is not going to happen and thus, instead of 
contradicting ourselves, we understand that there must be a compromise 
if anything. Thus, the partial retreat. The posts here are not offical 
communiques from the underground, and in essence, have amounted to our 
collective mental masturbation (don't start picketing me Tom). I 
thought our message was clear during the pre-election period, but 
obviously not clear enough or what people wanted to hear. I don't think 
Asbury Partners could mount a disinformation campaign if it wanted to, 
unless it is disinformation about what it means to do with our 
waterfront. Disinformation is part of the government culture here.





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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thinking of Ironies, I suggested a while ago that the City declare 
 the beachfront, east of Ocean Avenue, a redevelopment area and 
 exercise eminent domain on the Pavilions, Con Hall, Casino, Etc.
 
 Oh, you thought it already was a redevelopment area? No it isn't.
 
 It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me. 
 That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront 
 back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain.
 
 Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine.
 

I think we addressed this a while back ago. It is my recollection that 
the city cannot condemn any property within the redevlopment area 
without Asbury Partners' approval. I think you said that does not 
include the beachfront, pavillions, CH, Casino, etc. I think, like 
everything in the agreement (and that's the problem) that that is not 
clear. In any event, that would require a city that stands up to Asbury 
Partners. Have you forgotten where you are?





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

 ...
  Now, if substantial work had already progressed on the 
  pavillions and historic structures, and other amenities of
  the general area, the downturn would be weathered differently.
  Forgive me for being blue this week, it was just a full moon
  in the past few days.

From the 'Deal':

3.3 Pavilion Properties

... The Pavilion Properties are a priority for rehabilitation as well 
as an important part of the retail component of the Plan...If Master 
Developer purchases the Pavilion Properties it must commence 
construction on at least one Pavilion Property, or at Master 
Developer's option, the property currently owned by Master Developer 
located east of Ocean Avenue, currently delineated as Block-176, Lot-
4, within 6 months of obtaining all government approvals, which 
permits shall be promptly applied for.

How long has it been since the appovals?

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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How long has it been since the appovals?
 
I think one of Tommy's points is the difficulty of obtaining approvals. 
Perhaps you could clear this up for us Werber, can you summarize 
exactly what has been applied for and what has been approved? Also, the 
way it is written doesn't really say that they have to APPLY within a 
certain period (does it?) but just that they have to commence work with 
a period after APPROVED. Of course, that's what we see as the problem 
with this poorly written agreement. It does not protect the city. All 
advantage is given to the developer (sic). Why you would continue to 
ride a horse that keeps throwing you is beyond me. What this city needs 
is competent lega representation that works in its best interests. Of 
course, it has to want that in the first place. 





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think one of Tommy's points is the difficulty of obtaining 
approvals. 
 Perhaps you could clear this up for us (Werner), can you summarize 
 exactly what has been applied for and what has been approved?
 Also, the way it is written doesn't really say that they have to
 APPLY within a certain period (does it?) but just that they have
 to commence work with a period after APPROVED.

I'll see what I can dig up. I read it to say it's a priority, permits 
promptly applied for, commence within 6 months, etc.

Isn't there a lawyer here somewhere? :-) Tom, how about looking at
that section of the agreement and giving us an analysis? The document 
is in the files section of the group.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council

.the city cannot condemn any property within the redevelopment area without 
Asbury Partners' approval. .you said that does not include the beachfront, 
pavillions, CH, Casino, etc. I think. that that is not clear. In any event, 
that would require a city that stands up to Asbury Partners.

That would require the city to have independent council, a lawyer who knew 
which master he must serve, not James Aaron.


Skip Bernstein

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- Original Message - 
From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat


 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thinking of Ironies, I suggested a while ago that the City declare
 the beachfront, east of Ocean Avenue, a redevelopment area and
 exercise eminent domain on the Pavilions, Con Hall, Casino, Etc.

 Oh, you thought it already was a redevelopment area? No it isn't.

 It certainly looks 'blighted, underutilized and in disrepair' to me.
 That's some of the criteria under the statue. Take the beachfront
 back and return it to the taxpayers. A proper use of eminent domain.

 Ironic - Asbury Partners getting taste of their own medicine.


 I think we addressed this a while back ago. It is my recollection that
 the city cannot condemn any property within the redevlopment area
 without Asbury Partners' approval. I think you said that does not
 include the beachfront, pavillions, CH, Casino, etc. I think, like
 everything in the agreement (and that's the problem) that that is not
 clear. In any event, that would require a city that stands up to Asbury
 Partners. Have you forgotten where you are? 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Isn't there a lawyer here somewhere? :-) Tom, how about looking at
 that section of the agreement and giving us an analysis? The document 
 is in the files section of the group.
 
Show me two lawyers and I'll show you two different opinions. No 
offense Tom, I would like to see what you think, but I suspect I know 
alreay. You'll have to agree that it leaves holes wide enough to drive 
a truck through for Fishman. What it comes down to, as Tom as said in 
the past, is that you have to bring an action to compel enforcement 
(whatever the interpretation). Tom has cautioned against that, however, 
what good is any contract if someone knows you won't do anything to 
enforce it. Some contracts are better than others. This was written by 
an attorney, but we're not sure who's.






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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

Tom too has a conflict, our wonder boy works for the Fish.

Skip Bernstein

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From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:41 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think one of Tommy's points is the difficulty of obtaining
 approvals.
 Perhaps you could clear this up for us (Werner), can you summarize
 exactly what has been applied for and what has been approved?
 Also, the way it is written doesn't really say that they have to
 APPLY within a certain period (does it?) but just that they have
 to commence work with a period after APPROVED.

 I'll see what I can dig up. I read it to say it's a priority, permits
 promptly applied for, commence within 6 months, etc.

 Isn't there a lawyer here somewhere? :-) Tom, how about looking at
 that section of the agreement and giving us an analysis? The document
 is in the files section of the group.

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files

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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Tom too has a conflict, our wonder boy works for the Fish.


Tom, clear the air. Do you or don't you? I for one will take you at 
your word.





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[AsburyPark] CLEARWATER AND ROADTRIP WERE HALF BAKED........

2005-08-22 Thread mognj

Is the bloom coming off the rose.NEITHER OF THESE 2 EVENTS DREW 
WELL...WHAT'S THE DEAL..




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[AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That clause puts the MD in a higher level of control than the City 
 Government itself.
 
 OH, Now I Get it !!  :-)
 
Why does that surprise you? Have you seen any contrary evidence in the 
past couple of years with regard to the redevelopment? I hear they are 
changing the webiste to the City of Asbury Partners.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

2005-08-22 Thread bluebishop82

Glad to answer you Dan:  I've never had any business dealings with 
Larry or Glen Fishman, MD Sass, Al Fiella (spelling?) Asbury Partners, 
Ansel's office (other than cases against them) or any of the 
subdevelopers. Perhaps Skippy can tell us what he is talking about.

In an attempt to have complete clarity, in the past I set forth my 
total dealings with them outside of business (which Skip recently 
listed himself).  Shortly after the public CAFRA hearing at the 
Paramount I received a call from Larry Fishman, WHOM I HAD NEVER MET 
(Werner can probably recollect when that was). He liked what I said at 
the public portion of the hearing.  He asked me to lunch, we went to 
Frank's and I grabbed the tab.  He met me at my office that day, and 
saw some of my Asbury memorabilia (which I encourage all on this board 
to come see, you'll enjoy it).  He saw a large aerial print I have from 
the 50's, and asked it he could have a copy to submit with his final 
CAFRA permit. I paid for the copy costs.

If anything, I'm up on Larry to the tune of one tuna fish sandwich and 
one copy of a photo.  He has given me nothing.  I'm not complaining - I 
couldn't care less.  The point is I'm in no way beholden to them.

Outside of that I have never had a meeting with Larry or anyone else 
involved (although at the last council meeting Larry told me to give 
him a call and have some lunch. Sounded social not business. I intend 
to call him when I'm not so busy.)

At the last council meeting I saw Skip's eyes widen as he watched me 
walk to Larry's car with him.  If you are interested in knowing what we 
were talking about - I was taking him to task for something I was 
unhappy about. It's all in my column in the current TCN if you want the 
details.  I hide nothing (by the way the emenant domain portion of that 
column might make for an interesting discussion here).

Permit me to say these two things:

First: I find if funny (ha ha funny) and I hope we can all enjoy a 
friendly chuckle together that many on this board think so little of 
this plan that they believe no one could possibly support it unless 
they were getting paid to like it. :-) That's pretty funny and I hope 
we can put down our guards and laugh together for one moment.

Second: I'm pretty used to that kind of allegation from my column. I've 
heard at one point or another about being paid by all of them. I once 
wrote a column about something I disagreed with regarding Georgie's 
Bar.  I was accused of being paid by Shep Pettibone (Paradise) to write 
it. Some other examples are slipping my mind right now but there have 
been others.  Sometimes I'm just accused of not being paid but 
vaguely in cahoots with someone or another on different issues.  

Just to show you that I can't catch a break with these kinds of 
allegations, some folks read my column from 2 weeks ago and accused me 
of suddenly being in cahoots with Councilman Keady. (!) At least on 
that allegation, can I get some love from this group that perhaps some 
people throw the bias card a little too recklessly?





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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tom too has a conflict, our wonder boy works for the Fish.
 
 
 Tom, clear the air. Do you or don't you? I for one will take you at 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Two candidates running for Assembly (Doherty  Reilly) have set 
 themselves up as the anti-Eminent Domain candidates.

I read that, I thought you meant a new article.





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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat



Why not? They're running everything else and building nothing! Where's the taxes Asbury was supposed to get?SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:ThatclauseputstheMDinahigherlevelofcontrolthantheCityGovernmentitself.OH,NowIGetit!!:-)Whydoesthatsurpriseyou?Haveyouseenanycontraryevidenceinthepastcoupleofyearswithregardtotheredevelopment?IheartheyarechangingthewebistetotheCityofAsburyPartners.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Start over or amend?



Lightly,
I agree with you! Now watch someone come in here and contradict me, with 20 answers!
I love this town!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--Lighty<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:However,incontradictiontothem,Garysays:Kindasoundslikethereareenoughissuesbeingbroughtuptotakeasecondlookattheplan,doesn'tit?Imean,theGroundZerocomparisonshowsthatevensomethingofthatlevelcanbeSCRAPPEDANDSTARTEDOVER(emphasissupplied).I'mnotsayingtheyshouldstartoverwithanewplan.I'msayingthatthetownshouldtakeasecondlookattheplan(seeabove).IbroughtupGroundZerobecausethatshowshowevenaplanworkedonbyzillionsofpeopleandentriesfromaroundtheworldforthedesigncanbethrownoutandstartedover.Idon'tthinkAsburyshouldabandonthisplan,butIthinktheyneedtostartenforcingthings.ManyoftheassetsweresoldtoAsburyPartnersbecausethetowndidn'tthinkithadthemoneytorestorethem.Ifthosewerethegreatestassetsofthetown,shouldn'tthetownpeopleDEMANDtoknowwhatistobecomeofthemandonwhattimetable(ifany)therestorationshouldoccur?Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395 - Tom has a conflict



Skip,
Don't know who Tom works for, but rumor has it, that someone in City Hall SLEEPS with the Fish! Just the regular dirt going around. Don't know how true it is, so no names, please!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"SkipBernstein\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Tomtoohasaconflict,ourwonderboyworksfortheFish.SkipBernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://JerseyShoreRocks.com-OriginalMessage-From:"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:Sent:Monday,August22,20051:41PMSubject:[AsburyPark]Re:DigestNumber1395---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:IthinkoneofTommy'spointsisthedifficultyofobtainingapprovals.Perhapsyoucouldclearthisupforus(Werner),canyousummarizeexactlywhathasbeenappliedforandwhathasbeenapproved?Also,thewayitiswrittendoesn'treallysaythattheyhavetoAPPLYwithinacertainperiod(doesit?)butjustthattheyhavetocommenceworkwithaperiodafterAPPROVED.I'llseewhatIcandigup.Ireadittosayit'sapriority,permitspromptlyappliedfor,commencewithin6months,etc.Isn'ttherealawyerheresomewhere?:-)Tom,howaboutlookingatthatsectionoftheagreementandgivingusananalysis?Thedocumentisinthefilessectionofthegroup.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/filesWernerYahoo!GroupsLinksYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock - independent council



Don't mean to be fecetious, so I WILL be. What's the City's Master Plan? In the long run, what's the deal? Please, don't everybody stampede to tell me! Is it online? Are there documents I can look at? I'm from Missouri, Show Me!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"SkipBernstein\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:".thecitycannotcondemnanypropertywithintheredevelopmentareawithoutAsburyPartners'approval..yousaidthatdoesnotincludethebeachfront,pavillions,CH,Casino,etc.Ithink.thatthatisnotclear.Inanyevent,thatwouldrequireacitythatstandsuptoAsburyPartners."Thatwouldrequirethecitytohaveindependentcouncil,alawyerwhoknewwhichmasterhemustserve,notJamesAaron.SkipBernstein[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://JerseyShoreRocks.com-OriginalMessage-From:"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:Sent:Monday,August22,20051:02PMSubject:[AsburyPark]Re:rocktheboat...don'trocktheboat---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:ThinkingofIronies,IsuggestedawhileagothattheCitydeclarethebeachfront,eastofOceanAvenue,aredevelopmentareaandexerciseeminentdomainonthePavilions,ConHall,Casino,Etc.Oh,youthoughtitalreadywasaredevelopmentarea?Noitisn't.Itcertainlylooks'blighted,underutilizedandindisrepair'tome.That'ssomeofthecriteriaunderthestatue.Takethebeachfrontbackandreturnittothetaxpayers.Aproperuseofeminentdomain.Ironic-AsburyPartnersgettingtasteoftheirownmedicine.Ithinkweaddressedthisawhilebackago.ItismyrecollectionthatthecitycannotcondemnanypropertywithintheredevlopmentareawithoutAsburyPartners'approval.Ithinkyousaidthatdoesnotincludethebeachfront,pavillions,CH,Casino,etc.Ithink,likeeverythingintheagreement(andthat'stheproblem)thatthatisnotclear.Inanyevent,thatwouldrequireacitythatstandsuptoAsburyPartners.Haveyouforgottenwhereyouare?Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

Looks like the City is getting it from both ends! Funny, these redevelopement, city and school board attorneys take the city for a ride every four years with their atrocious fees, that get the city screwed even more! I know, I worked for the City Attorney, remember? I don't have a clue as to how he represented AP! I know he charged a lot and did very little! I know, it looked like "Night Court", every day. You had to be there.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"wernerapnj"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Howlonghasitbeensincetheappovals?IthinkoneofTommy'spointsisthedifficultyofobtainingapprovals.PerhapsyoucouldclearthisupforusWerber,canyousummarizeexactlywhathasbeenappliedforandwhathasbeenapproved?Also,thewayitiswrittendoesn'treallysaythattheyhavetoAPPLYwithinacertainperiod(doesit?)butjustthattheyhavetocommenceworkwithaperiodafterAPPROVED.Ofcourse,that'swhatweseeastheproblemwiththispoorlywrittenagreement.Itdoesnotprotectthecity.Alladvantageisgiventothedeveloper(sic).Whyyouwouldcontinuetorideahorsethatkeepsthrowingyouisbeyondme.Whatthiscityneedsiscompetentlegarepresentationthatworksinitsbestinterests.Ofcourse,ithastowantthatinthefirstplace.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Start over or amend?

So do you mean, that Asbury Partners has a "George Bush", mentality? My way or the highway? "Stay the course", type of thing? This will only incite the citizens here, as Cindy Sheehan started her protest of "one" and it snowballed! One Mother protesting the senseless death of HER son, but Mr. Bush stated, "he died for a Noble Cause"! Thus, "Operation Noble Cause" and "Arlington South", has taken off. Just a comparison in contrast, off subject a bit, to compare the way Asbury Partners want to "dumb down" the citizens here, in our fair city! What a shame! What's their point? I'll tell you; to Bamboozle us is what! Smoke and mirrors won't do!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"bluebishop82"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Idon'tthinkAsburyPartnersortheirsupportersneedtowagea"disinformationcampaign"whenthepeopleopposingthemarebeingsocontradictory.Idon'tthink"we"arecontradictory,it'sjustfreethinking.Iunderstandyourpostisa"constructive"criticismsandIwilltakeitasthat.Quitefrankly,Iguessmostof"us"donotliketheplanaswrittenandseeAsburyPartnersforwhatitis,andwishbothwouldjustgoawayandwecouldgetsomething/someonebetter.However,werealizethatthatisnotgoingtohappenandthus,insteadofcontradictingourselves,weunderstandthattheremustbeacompromiseifanything.Thus,thepartialretreat.Thepostsherearenotofficalcommuniquesfromtheunderground,andinessence,haveamountedtoourcollectivementalmasturbation(don'tstartpicketingmeTom).Ithought"our"messagewasclearduringthepre-electionperiod,butobviouslynotclearenoughorwhatpeoplewantedtohear.Idon'tthinkAsburyPartnerscouldmountadisinformationcampaignifitwantedto,unlessitisdisinformationaboutwhatitmeanstodowithourwaterfront.Disinformationispartofthegovernmentculturehere.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395



Werner,
Thanks for the link. Someone told me it was online but I didn't have a clue, again, thanks!SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"wernerapnj\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:...Now,ifsubstantialworkhadalreadyprogressedonthepavillionsandhistoricstructures,andotheramenitiesofthegeneralarea,thedownturnwouldbeweathereddifferently.Forgivemeforbeingbluethisweek,itwasjustafullmooninthepastfewdays.Thatisexactlywhyapreservationbasedplan,the1991planforexample,wouldhavebeenbetterforAsburyPark.Therewasasubstantialdesireofthepublicforthattohappen.SeethePreservationPlaninthefilessection:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/files/WernerYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: rock the boat...don't rock the boat



Werner,
You said a mouthful! "Hit the head on the Nail", "took the bull by the horns" and every other overused and overworked cliche', but you said it and it IS ironic, isn't IT! I thought Aaron worked for them too. Seems like it was intimated in this forum, but maybe I'm confused, as usual! Correct me if I'm wrong,SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"wernerapnj\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,"dfsavgny"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:...Thereisacommondenominatorhere.Inthebestofironies,IhearAsburyPartnersissuingaprivategroup...Weldon,Fishman,Aaron+NaiveCityCouncil=LandGrabThinkingofIronies,IsuggestedawhileagothattheCitydeclarethebeachfront,eastofOceanAvenue,aredevelopmentareaandexerciseeminentdomainonthePavilions,ConHall,Casino,Etc.Oh,youthoughtitalreadywasaredevelopmentarea?Noitisn't.Itcertainlylooks'blighted,underutilizedandindisrepair'tome.That'ssomeofthecriteriaunderthestatue.Takethebeachfrontbackandreturnittothetaxpayers.Aproperuseofeminentdomain.Ironic-AsburyPartnersgettingtasteoftheirownmedicine.WernerYahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

  




  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

After the riots of July 1970, a mall was built off the Asbury Circle. It opened around 1975, with the Steinbach Store being the anchor, then Sears moved across 66, from where the IHOP is. The main entrance to Sears was there. The closing of Steinbach's on Cookman sounded the death knell of the "old" downtown. The rest of the stores went to Norwood Ave., in Deal, like Pix Shoes. Nahan's and Fischs's moved to Ocean township on Hwy. 35. Nahan's is still where is moved to. Fisch's went out of business. Bob and Irving's, Pix Shoes, the Army /Navy Store on Main St. are where the new Municiple complex is. By 1975, only the Baronet and one other theatre was open. The Savoy on Mattison, closed! The Press Box restaurant, Rexall's, (Sonny's), Bob and David's, Wolco's, the Record store, Mr. Fashion, and a couple of dime stores, Woolworth's, WTGrants and another,were all that was left. Canadian's at Press Plaza closed shortly after. The small boutiques also moved to upscale Deal or Allenhurst. The Bra and Girdle factory were there through the 80's, then they closed by Kennedy Park. Bergers moved to Seaview Square and Dainty Apparel closed. I was a professional shopper back then, with 5 growing children, so I knew where the clothes, shoes, eyeglasses for my kids and Varsity Jackets were, that they HAD to have! First Communion, Confirmation, Buster Brown and Stride Right Shoes were ALL purchased rith there on Cookman, Ave., THE place to be, until the remaining stores shut down, one by one! I never liked Monmouth Mall, so I'd go to Woodbridge and Staten Island to shop for my kids, thereafter, although there was a Stenbach still in Red Bank. Never cared much for Red Bank. Different attitude there if you're Black. The better stores in North Jersey didn't give a rat's ass, as long as your money was green! I liked that! Shopped at AS, Ohrbach's, Stern's and Macy's. Better stuff! Really good service, too.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:JustafewobservationsfromAsburyRadio'stable-And,theyexpressedsuspicionaboutthecity'sdedicationtorestorethelandmarks,becauseofthecurrentappearanceandthetimethat'sgonebysincetheCitystarteditscomeback.Onecoupleaskedhowthecondoscouldbesellingaswellasreported,preconstruction,whenthesurroundingareastilllookedsobad.Iwasbeginningtothinkwewereonlyintheuniverse,butitappearstohavemadecontactwithotherintelligentlifeforms.Thankgoodnesswearenotaloneafterall.Iseethistemperingofenthusiamasbothgoodandbad.Thegoodisthatitbringssomerationality(andperhapsresponsibility)tothetable,muchlikerationalitycomingbacktothestockmarket.Whilehealthyforthelongrun,somemustbearthepain.Likemostrealestateprofessionalsandlaymanalike,Iamwaitingforthebubbletoburst.JustlastweekIhadDonaldTrumpaskmewhatIthoughtwasgoingtohappeninthemarketplace.Ilookedathimandsaid,"you'reaskingme,you'reDonaldTrump?"Thatisexactlyhowperplexingithasbeen.Justlikeingolfandaswingattheplate,poorfollowthroughcanruinyourgameinrealestate.IhavemyfingerscrossedthatthiswillnothappeninAP,butIhaveseenitbefore.Whenamarketdownturnhits,thoseareasbeinggentrifiedthatarenotsubstantiallycompleted,getshitworseandtakelongertorecover.Whilenooneispredictingasseriousadownturnasoccuredinthelate-1980'stoearly-1990's(doesanyonereallyknowforsure),marketconditionsareerodingaswespeak.Let'sbefrankaboutit.Inadditionto,andinspiteofitsspecialnature,whathasbroughtmosttoAPisitsavailibilityofrelativebargains.Thosebargainsarealreadydissappearing.Ifandwhenthemarketgoesdown,therewillberelativebargainselsewhereformany.Inplaceswithlesscrime,betterschoolsandmoresubstantialandbettermaintainedinfrastructure.WhilethoseareasmaynothavethesamefunkyallureofAP,peoplewillweightheproswiththeconsinmakingadecision.Ifthepriceofthenewcondoscannotbeobtained(andletmetellyouthattherearesomeprettyheadyprojetions),theywillnotgetbuilt,atleastuntilmarketconditionsimprove.Ifcaught(asIamfondofcomparingthecurrentstateofAP'sredevelopmentprocess)withits"pantsdown,"therewillbetheperceptionthattheymaynevergetbuiltandthatitwasanotherfalsestart.Now,ifsubstantialworkhadalreadyprogressedonthepavillionsandhistoricstructures,andotheramenitiesofthegeneralarea,thedownturnwouldbeweathereddifferently.Forgivemeforbeingbluethisweek,itwasjustafullmooninthepastfewdays.Yahoo!GroupsSponsor~--GetfastaccesstoyourfavoriteYahoo!Groups.MakeYahoo!yourhomepagehttp://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM~-Yahoo!GroupsLinks*Tovisityourgroupontheweb,goto:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/*Tounsubscribefromthisgroup,sendanemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*YouruseofYahoo!Groupsissubjectto:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest Number 1395

2005-08-22 Thread David J. Mieras

Excellent blow by blow Sharon. The only stores I
can think of that somehow weathered the storm are Carl (Mr. Fashion)
Felix Fox, the paint store. It's a toss up between Steinbach's the Asbury
Park Press regarding the death knell scenario I think.

- Original Message -
From:
Sharon G.
Boone
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:39
PM
Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Digest
Number 1395
After the riots of July 1970, a mall was built off the Asbury
Circle. It opened around 1975, with the Steinbach Store being the anchor, then
Sears moved across 66, from where the IHOP is. The main entrance to Sears was
there. The closing of Steinbach's on Cookman sounded the death knell of the
"old" downtown. The rest of the stores went to Norwood Ave., in Deal, like Pix
Shoes. Nahan's and Fischs's moved to Ocean township on Hwy. 35. Nahan's is
still where is moved to. Fisch's went out of business. Bob and Irving's, Pix
Shoes, the Army /Navy Store on Main St. are where the new Municiple complex
is. By 1975, only the Baronet and one other theatre was open. The Savoy on
Mattison, closed! The Press Box restaurant, Rexall's, (Sonny's), Bob and
David's, Wolco's, the Record store, Mr. Fashion, and a couple of dime stores,
Woolworth's, WTGrants and another,were all that was left.
Canadian's at Press Plaza closed shortly after. The small boutiques also moved
to upscale Deal or Allenhurst. The Bra and Girdle factory were there through
the 80's, then they closed by Kennedy Park. Bergers moved to Seaview Square
and Dainty Apparel closed. I was a professional shopper back then, with 5
growing children, so I knew where the clothes, shoes, eyeglasses for my kids
and Varsity Jackets were, that they HAD to have! First Communion,
Confirmation, Buster Brown and Stride Right Shoes were ALL purchased rith
there on Cookman, Ave., THE place to be, until the remaining stores shut down,
one by one! I never liked Monmouth Mall, so I'd go to Woodbridge and Staten
Island to shop for my kids, thereafter, although there was a Stenbach still in
Red Bank. Never cared much for Red Bank. Different attitude there if you're
Black. The better stores in North Jersey didn't give a rat's ass, as long as
your money was green! I liked that! Shopped at AS, Ohrbach's, Stern's and
Macy's. Better stuff! Really good service,
too.SharonBoone[EMAIL PROTECTED]--\"dfsavgny\"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
nbsp;wrote:---InAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com,[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:JustafewobservationsfromAsburyRadio'stable-And,theyexpressedsuspicionaboutthecity'sdedicationtorestorethelandmarks,becauseofthecurrentappearanceandthetimethat'sgonebysincetheCitystarteditscomeback.Onecoupleaskedhowthecondoscouldbesellingaswellasreported,preconstruction,whenthesurroundingareastilllookedsobad.Iwasbeginningtothinkwewereonlyintheuniverse,butitappearstohavemadecontactwithotherintelligentlifeforms.Thankgoodnesswearenotaloneafterall.Iseethistemperingofenthusiamasbothgoodandbad.Thegoodisthatitbringssomerationality(andperhapsresponsibility)tothetable,muchlikerationalitycomingbacktothestockmarket.Whilehealthyforthelongrun,somemustbearthepain.Likemostrealestateprofessionalsandlaymanalike,Iamwaitingforthebubbletoburst.JustlastweekIhadDonaldTrumpaskmewhatIthoughtwasgoingtohappeninthemarketplace.I
lookedathimandsaid,"you'reaskingme,you'reDonaldTrump?"Thatisexactlyhowperplexingithasbeen.Justlikeingolfandaswingattheplate,poorfollowthroughcanruinyourgameinrealestate.IhavemyfingerscrossedthatthiswillnothappeninAP,butIhaveseenitbefore.Whenamarketdownturnhits,thoseareasbeinggentrifiedthatarenotsubstantiallycompleted,getshitworseandtakelongertorecover.Whilenooneispredictingasseriousadownturnasoccuredinthelate-1980'stoearly-1990's(doesanyonereallyknowforsure),marketconditionsareerodingaswespeak.Let'sbefrankaboutit.Inadditionto,andinspiteofitsspecialnature,whathasbroughtmosttoAPisitsavailibilityofrelativebargains.Thosebargainsarealreadydissappearing.Ifandwhenthemarketgoesdown,therewillberelativebargainselsewhereformany.Inplaceswithlesscrime,betterschoolsandmoresubstantialandbettermaintainedinfrastructure.WhilethoseareasmaynothavethesamefunkyallureofAP,peoplewillweigh

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