[AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning through while I was seeking something else! It appears to me that most of the New People who have arrived here in the past 5-7 years are actually Raping Asbury Park, NOT Standing Up for Anything good at ALL here! Steve, in case you haven't noticed, the Berlin Wall has come down. How am I raping Asbury? I continue to pay school taxes and don't use the system? You like to place blame for all this country's ills on those you characterize as rich or wealthy. Those same people pay a lot of the bills through taxes and by employing others. Is there a divide? Certainly. But anyone can go for the brass ring. Twenty years ago my salary put me below the poverty level. Now I pay more in local income taxes than many people earn. I don't begrudge paying those taxes and having a minor in economics, I fully understand that it is a redistribution of wealth. But then I don't appreciate being lectured by you. I would just like you to say thank you. Many of the solutions of the 1960's simply do not work. They have created generations of welfare recipients. Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish. Must there be a safety net? Sure, but don't make it a permanent feather bed. The last thing AP needs is the Market Mission. They will not screen their customers and religious groups have a spotty record in being good neighbors operating such facilities. Stop makingblanket statements about those who support SUFA. I, and others who support it, do not support Fishman or the majority on the council wo have let him have his way. As more COs are delivered for new units, the more affordable housing payments are made by Partners. That money needs to be put to good use by the city (preferably by people like Keady) to find a long-term solution to homelessness and increase home ownership in AP. Couple that with ZERO TOLERANCE for crime and quality of life issues. It is you who are spouting racist views by demonizing and lump diverse persons into groups (newcomers from NYC). Want to make a difference? Make more money and pay more taxes. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
Not sure if Keady should be the one to distribute low income house money since he is for the Market Street Mission.dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Steve" asburysteve2001@... wrote: Hi Paul, I'm responding to a rather old message that I just saw scanning through while I was seeking something else! It appears to me that most of the "New" People who have arrived here in the past 5-7 years are actually Raping Asbury Park, NOT "Standing Up" for Anything good at ALL here!Steve, in case you haven't noticed, the Berlin Wall has come down. How am I raping Asbury? I continue to pay school taxes and don't use the system? You like to place blame for all this country's ills on those you characterize as rich or wealthy. Those same people pay a lot of the bills through taxes and by employing others. Is there a divide? Certainly. But anyone can go for the brass ring. Twenty years ago my salary put me below the poverty level. Now I pay more in local income taxes than many people earn. I don't begrudge paying those taxes and having a minor in economics, I fully understand that it is a redistribution of wealth. But then I don't appreciate being lectured by you. I would just like you to say thank you.Many of the solutions of the 1960's simply do not work. They have created generations of welfare recipients. Give a hungry man a fishing pole and not a fish. Must there be a safety net? Sure, but don't make it a permanent feather bed.The last thing AP needs is the Market Mission. They will not screen their "customers" and religious groups have a spotty record in being good neighbors operating such facilities. Stop makingblanket statements about those who support SUFA. I, and others who support it, do not support Fishman or the majority on the council wo have let him have his way. As more COs are delivered for new units, the more affordable housing payments are made by Partners. That money needs to be put to good use by the city (preferably by people like Keady) to find a long-term solution to homelessness and increase home ownership in AP. Couple that with ZERO TOLERANCE for crime and quality of life issues. It is you who are spouting racist views by demonizing and lump diverse persons into groups (newcomers from NYC).Want to make a difference? Make more money and pay more taxes. How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Don't Miss Out On Broadcast Opportunity
Again, my point is Long Branch is NOT Asbury Park. Your Lighthouse mission does not serve the community of Asbury Park. How about this, advertise to the people of Long Branch. Other people have pointed this out on the board, but I will reiterate. Solving the problem of homelessness isn't an easy one. You have the problem of no affordable housing and companies not paying competitive wages. Organizations such as Lighthouse Mission need to stop taking care of the temporary problems and go after the real problems as mentioned above. Yes I realize I am generalizing, if I were to go into every detail then this reply would be a novel. Again, advertise your services in Long Branch not on a messageboard for Asbury Park. Asbury has its own problems to deal with. vinny --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The service is a community service, and it belongs in a community message board. It's unfortunate that some people just to assail others. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Stand Up For Asbury, Meeting!
Question DAN,How would he be able to make shelters obsolete after it is already in place? Even if every resident of AP had a home, this shelter will take in outsiders? dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@... wrote: Not sure if Keady should be the one to distribute low income house money since he is for the Market Street Mission. Keady is on the affordable housing committee. Despite his stand on the shelter, he is a good man. Further, he would rather be able to make shelters obsolete. Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Tax Increase
I thought this was not a bill. On my statement it said this is not a bill. dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "chooseorlose3636" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know what the new tax rate is? I was looking at my quarterly statement and my bill will increase by $750 next year. What the ROI on that? Looks like more spending is Asbury.Note the enclosure with it saying NJ law requires bills to be mailed at least 25 days before due date. The envelope was postmarked July 13. Taxes are due Aug 1. That's 19 days by my count. Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] tillie
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[AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I do not work for New Jersey, I issue speeding tickets and the motorist is found guilty based on my observations 99% of the time. I do not know how New Jersey works but where I work we have the odometer calibration certificates in a file cabinet at Traffic Court. Well that is smart, but I assume you are talking about a small jurisdiction. That could work. But the major portion of tickets are on highways in NJ by state troopers. The sheer number of tickets in most jurisdictions makes it impossible to have the certificates on hand. If you do not have the certificates for both the device, the facility and and what it was tested against, then they should have appealed the court's decision. It is against the law. Cops are onlydoing their job. I don't blame them. Part of speed enforcement is safety and part is revenue. All a municipality has to do is buy a radar or laser device and rake in the dough. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tax Increase
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this was not a bill. On my statement it said this is not a bill. I didn't see that but you may be right. Mine said due Aug 1 with 10-day grace period for interest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ I don't blame them. Part of speed enforcement is safety and part is revenue. All a municipality has to do is buy a radar or laser device and rake in the dough. Its a shame that both speeding and traffic violations are needed to get revenue. It does put pressure on officers at certain times to charge people they KNOW didnt do anything wrong. Ive had it happen to me a few times where you could tell the officer really didnt want to give a ticket but had to because of a quota. Theyll say things like Call the station, Ill make sure you dont get any points for this on your license. Meanwhile, they know that about 99% of the people will simply pay the ticket. And, even if the person disputes the ticket, the police seem to win about 99.5% of the arguments in Jersey Shore courts. I wonder just how many tickets would be handed out each month if REVENUE wasnt a factor... __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ
I believe I work for an area larger that Monmouth County, but do not quote me. New York State does not require the original certificates for the odometer, just a photocopy. For RADAR or LASER, New York State requires just the testimony but a lawtyer can request copies through the police department. I would like to ask where you get your information from. Are you a traffic court lawyer? Often, regular lawyers feel all of the rules of regular court apply to traffic court and they are wrong. Traffic court is an administrative court and a lot of the Law and Order stuff does not apply. Otherwise, did you get your information from a New Jersey police officer or Traffic Court judge? Their words I would believe. As for rake in the dough? Do you feel speed limits are solely for revenue? Does that go for passing stopped school buses with flashing red lights (which cost more $$$ and points on a license)? And do you believe all of those studies linking cellphone use while driving are dangerous are performed just to create revenue? Drive safe, Tom --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom me@ wrote: While I do not work for New Jersey, I issue speeding tickets and the motorist is found guilty based on my observations 99% of the time. I do not know how New Jersey works but where I work we have the odometer calibration certificates in a file cabinet at Traffic Court. Well that is smart, but I assume you are talking about a small jurisdiction. That could work. But the major portion of tickets are on highways in NJ by state troopers. The sheer number of tickets in most jurisdictions makes it impossible to have the certificates on hand. If you do not have the certificates for both the device, the facility and and what it was tested against, then they should have appealed the court's decision. It is against the law. Cops are onlydoing their job. I don't blame them. Part of speed enforcement is safety and part is revenue. All a municipality has to do is buy a radar or laser device and rake in the dough. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ
HAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but the thought that I would risk my employment, my pension, and my honor by signing a false statement (a crime) for an offense that I knew did not happen made me laugh. The I¹ve had it happen to me a few times where you could tell the officer really didn¹t want to give a ticket but had to because of a quota line is one of two things. Either the cop uses it as a line to diffuse the motorist's anger and make it seem like he is forced to do this or never writes summonses which makes a boss lean on him since it is not possible to drive around 8-12 hours a day and not see a traffic violation. I prefer to go to an area of high accident occurrances and strictly enforce the traffic law between 911 calls to help curb future accidents and it works. Oh, and I have used the line that my boss is there so I have to issue this summons so that a motorist would stop complaining. Bottom line - a lying about a summons is not worth losing a career over and there are plenty of fish in the barrel that you do not have to write a bogus ticket. Tom --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't blame them. Part of speed enforcement is safety and part is revenue. All a municipality has to do is buy a radar or laser device and rake in the dough. It¹s a shame that both speeding and traffic violations are needed to get revenue. It does put pressure on officers at certain times to charge people they KNOW didn¹t do anything wrong. I¹ve had it happen to me a few times where you could tell the officer really didn¹t want to give a ticket but had to because of a quota. They¹ll say things like ³Call the station, I¹ll make sure you don¹t get any points for this on your license². Meanwhile, they know that about 99% of the people will simply pay the ticket. And, even if the person disputes the ticket, the police seem to win about 99.5% of the arguments in Jersey Shore courts. I wonder just how many tickets would be handed out each month if REVENUE wasn¹t a factor... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tax Increase
Imagine if you had to actaully pay something to educate the kids AP - like a school tax. Imagine. Add 4k or more to each bill. Keep those Abbott $coming. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ On 7/19/06 3:42 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but the thought that I would risk my employment, my pension, and my honor by signing a false statement (a crime) for an offense that I knew did not happen made me laugh. Look, I know there are good cops and there are bad cops. When youve had police officers stop you as youre walking into the driveway of your beach house because you match the description of somebody theyre looking for and you ask them what was the description and you hear a male caucasian -- you tend to lose a little faith in the police. Just as when youre pulled over doing the speed limit coming back from college with a car full of furniture because the cop wants to make sure theres nothing illegal about the car. Basically, some people run into being profiled and others never see that side of things. I dont believe every cop would give a false ticket but Ill gladly swear on the Bible that Ive had one or two in my life. Or maybe that officer in the backwoods of Virginia really did follow me for seven miles because of a stop sign that I didnt stay stopped at long enough. Maybe the officer wasnt really hoping to score a drug bust from a Yankee deep in the backwoods country... This stuff does happen man. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park home Asbury park nj Asbury park hotel Asbury park foreclosure Asbury park real estate Asbury park YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Traffic Ticket prices have been increased in NJ
Every vocation has a bad apple and those should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Yet, the blanket statements you made like it does put pressure on officers at certain times to charge people they KNOW didn't do anything wrong reflect badly upon all police officers. Regarding all police officers in a negative light due to a couple of negative experiences you had is just as bad as if a police officer started treating an entire group a certain way due to a few bad interactions with members of said group. Tom --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/19/06 3:42 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAHAHAHAHA! Sorry, but the thought that I would risk my employment, my pension, and my honor by signing a false statement (a crime) for an offense that I knew did not happen made me laugh. Look, I know there are good cops and there are bad cops. When you¹ve had police officers stop you as you¹re walking into the driveway of your beach house because you match the description of somebody they¹re looking for and you ask them what was the description and you hear ³a male caucasian² -- you tend to lose a little faith in the police. Just as when you¹re pulled over doing the speed limit coming back from college with a car full of furniture because the cop wants to make sure there¹s nothing illegal about the car. Basically, some people run into being profiled and others never see that side of things. I don¹t believe every cop would give a false ticket but I¹ll gladly swear on the Bible that I¹ve had one or two in my life. Or maybe that officer in the backwoods of Virginia really did follow me for seven miles because of a stop sign that I didn¹t stay stopped at long enough. Maybe the officer wasn¹t really hoping to score a drug bust from a Yankee deep in the backwoods country... This stuff does happen man. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tax Increase
That is why I like the idea of a flat sales tax versus property tax. This way everyone (homeowners, renters, business people, visitors, etc) that use our resources (highways, sanitation, education, etc.) will pay their fair share. Tom --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Imagine if you had to actaully pay something to educate the kids AP - like a school tax. Imagine. Add 4k or more to each bill. Keep those Abbott $coming. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
