[AsburyPark] Another Twist on Development

2007-04-09 Thread wernerapnj
NY Times Article - excerpts:

...in the nine years since construction began that the schools are 
overflowing, property taxes are skyrocketing and the main streets 
are clogged.

...lent their construction manager to Asbury Park for a $150,000 
fee. Last month, they sued the state Department of Education for 
money they claim was unfairly cut off

The lost state aid might have become an afterthought if the 
township had been able to collect anticipated taxes from commercial 
property next to Town Center.

Without the expected commercial taxes, residential property taxes 
in Washington Township rose 84 percent between 1998 and 2004,


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/nyregion/09smart.html?
_r=1pagewanted=all

or

http://tinyurl.com/36ht3q


Werner



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Drug Testing in Schools

2007-04-09 Thread wait_foru
good suggestions with some should already be in place.uniforms have always 
been controversial point with parents paying..If Jersey City can do it so 
can AP

2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 
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 So what suggestion might one have as an alternative to what is going
on? 
 

Install Metal detectors at ALL entrances. Every student, every
teacher and any personnel, should be wearing photo ID, with the name
of the school, attending and hours of entrance and dismissal, posted.
Any student or adult, with ANY weapons will be suspended, pending
expulsion. Uniforms, should be worn and females should dress
appropriately; white school blouse and dark slacks in winter, skirts
in Spring and Fall. Each student and teacher, should have a school
handbook, so there would be no mistake about what is required. The
schools should have 2 uniformed police in the Middle and high schools.
The elementary school should have security guards. One at the front
entrance and 1 at the rear entrance. Unless a child is ill in school,
parents must make an appointment, to see personnel. There should be
regular assembly times for the principal and staff to address the
students and fliers should be posted for upcoming events, if not
published in the school newspaper or website. These are all I can
think of, for now, but if any infractions or weapons are found, these
kids should be sent to a youth detention facility and their parents
notified, to pick them up and be seen as to how the school will mete
out punishment. Compared to what these few safety precautions cost,
the kids, would be better served, if they felt safe in the school or
on the grounds.
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[AsburyPark] lake ave

2007-04-09 Thread oakdorf
lake ave should be closed and parking recreated. You have the whole 
lake front completely wasted.

The only one who realized this was moonstruck. Alo, the original plans 
for Wesley Grave capitalized on the waterfront. Dumb and doomed from 
day one. 

Drove by the Wesley the other day. Only a small number of units 
sheetrocked. NOtice the hurry sign on the empty pile driven lot? 

I think that lot could become the world's largest arcade game stands:
1) knock the bottle off the piling
2) beanbag toss
3) whack a piling
4) hop-a-piling


How about securing the MK or the the old phoneix go-go block? Its about 
violation time, no?




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: FCC Response to Pallone re. Asbury Radio

2007-04-09 Thread 2fine4u
Can you post that website?  I'd like to take a look-see, but forgot,
how I got there!  Silly me!  Thanks for the letter!

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 The file is posted now.
 Thanks, Werner.
 Let me know if anyone needs the link to the FCC's Enforcement Bureau 
 pages, where they post the Notices of Apparent Violation.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Drug Testing in Schools

2007-04-09 Thread 2fine4u
I don't know if it's me, or what, but I have a totally different point
of reference about school, what it is, or what it should be!  I feel
that I'm out of touch and don't know, or realize, what's really
happening today.  I guess I sound old-fashioned, because I still think
people are entitled to privacy, but since there's so much violence in
schools now, privacy rights, seem to go out the window, huh?  Privacy
is one thing, overly intrusive suggestions, are another!  These
so-called kids, come to school, with too much baggage!  Many, not
all, are unfortunately in single parent situations, where even if the
Mom or Dad, is a professional, they can find their child, pressured to
be like the rest; ARMED!  Columbine, proved that, the shooting in a
small Amish community, proved that and here in tiny AP, we are saddled
with problems, we never dreamed of! You can't assume, that a district
that is majority Black, would be troublesome.  I say that, because
before 1960, every school in Louisiana, was segregated, public or
private!  We didn't have ADD, or what we called retarded kids,
streamlined into our schools, it was Black or White and nothing
in-between.  You had your brainy A-B, students in one group, then you
had what was slow learners, right?  Children, being what they were,
little bullies, or holier than thou, types, called these kids,
DUMB!  We didn't have disadvantaged; we had poor kids and the
snots, with their noses, in the air!  Drug testing?  Test the
adults, first!  They're the ones, who we trust our kids to!  I knew
some teachers, who definitely needed psychiatric treatment!  Don't
laugh, you had some too!  You remember the eccentric, ones?  The
ones, who smelled?  The alcoholic, ones?  Um-Hmmm!  Don't forget
the ones whose shoes, were run-over! I remember pretty teachers,
that the boys, would drool over, the really hip and cool ones and the
ones, who knew less, than you!  Don't forget those child-abusing
Nuns!  When I read about sex-abusing priests, I cringe, because I know
of no such people, in my Parish.  In that regard, we were fortunate. 
So I have to apologize, for not being too on the ball, about
conditions in the schools, nowadays, except I still believe children,
are people and as such get enough grief, without well meaning adults,
who want to trample, on what few rights, they have.  Just me,
nothing personal.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wait_foru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 good suggestions with some should already be in place.uniforms
have always been controversial point with parents paying..If
Jersey City can do it so can AP
 
 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wait_foru wait_foru@ wrote:
 
  So what suggestion might one have as an alternative to what is going
 on? 
  
 
 Install Metal detectors at ALL entrances. Every student, every
 teacher and any personnel, should be wearing photo ID, with the name
 of the school, attending and hours of entrance and dismissal, posted.
 Any student or adult, with ANY weapons will be suspended, pending
 expulsion. Uniforms, should be worn and females should dress
 appropriately; white school blouse and dark slacks in winter, skirts
 in Spring and Fall. Each student and teacher, should have a school
 handbook, so there would be no mistake about what is required. The
 schools should have 2 uniformed police in the Middle and high schools.
 The elementary school should have security guards. One at the front
 entrance and 1 at the rear entrance. Unless a child is ill in school,
 parents must make an appointment, to see personnel. There should be
 regular assembly times for the principal and staff to address the
 students and fliers should be posted for upcoming events, if not
 published in the school newspaper or website. These are all I can
 think of, for now, but if any infractions or weapons are found, these
 kids should be sent to a youth detention facility and their parents
 notified, to pick them up and be seen as to how the school will mete
 out punishment. Compared to what these few safety precautions cost,
 the kids, would be better served, if they felt safe in the school or
 on the grounds.
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[AsburyPark] Re: Wesley grove

2007-04-09 Thread Hinge
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  - Professionally designed landscaped garden areas 
  - Brick, stucco and Hardi Plank® exterior 
 
 from their website


I think they forgot;

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[AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 anyone catch the new 4th ave pav? 
 
 The wallpaper is up.

=
=
Just came from there.
A few thoughts come to mind.

- Tacky
- Gaudy
- Silly
- Waste of effort

That is one of the few pavilions that is structurally sound.

If it's in good enough condition to rehab for their sales/model 
office then it certainly could have been rehabed for actual 
retail/beachfront business uses.

Werner



 
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[AsburyPark] Special Meeting on Overlook Park

2007-04-09 Thread Michael W. Brim
From the Asbury Park City's website


PUBLIC NOTICE


PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that on the 9th day of May, 2007 at 6:00 P.M. a Public 
Hearing will be held in City Council Chambers, located in City Hall, One 
Municipal Plaza, Asbury Park, New Jersey regarding the City of Asbury Park’s 
application to the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection Green 
Acres Program for a corrective amendment to the Asbury Park Recreation and Open 
Space Inventory. The amendment will remove a 25' by 100' portion of Block 117 
Lot 1, commonly known as 500 Cookman Avenue or Overlook Park. The portion which 
is the subject of the application is located on the southwest corner of the 
property and lies beyond the sidewalk west of Overlook Park and bordering on a 
vacant lot currently used for parking on the east side of Moonstruck 
Restaurant. 


All information submitted to the Green Acres Program related to this 
application is available for public inspection in the City Clerk’s office 
located in City Hall during regular business hours: 9:00 – 5:00 and the Asbury 
Park Public Library, located at 500 First Avenue, Asbury Park, New Jersey. A 
copy is also available on the City of Asbury Park’s website at 
www.cityofasburypark.com.


We are inviting public participation in the Public Hearing and/or through the 
submission of written comments during a “Public Comment Period,” which will 
begin on April 5, 2007 and close on May 23, 2007. Any written comments during 
the Public Comment Period shall be submitted to:


Tony Nuccio, Director

Social Services and Community Relations 

City of Asbury Park 

One Municipal Plaza

Asbury Park, New Jersey 07112


With copies to:


New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection

Green Acres Program

Bureau of Legal Services and Stewardship

P.O. Box 412

Trenton, New Jersey 08625-0412


Michael W. Brim
321 Sunset Ave. 5F
Asbury Park NJ 07712
Cell: 732-996-8160


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 anyone catch the new 4th ave pav? 
 
 The wallpaper is up.

==

Another issue:

Will these improvements now trigger a re-valuation for tax purposes as 
has happened to many homeowners recently?

Also does this now trigger the clock of rehabing all the subsequesnt 
pavilions as per the contract?

Werner




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Special Meeting on Overlook Park

2007-04-09 Thread wernerapnj
Thats funny/sad, they cant even get the name of the Park correct.

Its Kennedy Park! Was dedicated in the 60s to JFK.

The building next to it was called the Park Overlook.


Werner




 
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[AsburyPark] AP|Action Announces Endorsements for School Board

2007-04-09 Thread Tom

Asbury Park Action Campaign Endorses
Castro, D'Alessandro, Lesinski and Pivinski
for Board of Education



AP|Action continues to be pleased by the desire of many Asbury Park
residents who offer themselves for public service. The Board of Trustees
thanks everyone who participated in our endorsement selection process
and we offer our sincere gratitude to all of the candidates for their
willingness to give their time in furthering our shared mission of
creating a brighter future for Asbury Park.



Most importantly, we strongly encourage every resident in Asbury Park to
vote, as it is our belief that providing a strong education for our
children is vital, and clearly, our future depends on it. Accordingly,
we hope that every registered voter participates in this election by
exercising his or her right to vote.



AP|Action's Endorsement

In endorsing a candidate, AP|Action attempts to make the best
determination of the people seeking office in order to decide who is the
most qualified. Equally important in our decision is the candidate's
alignment with our core principles - embracing diversity, redeveloping
Asbury Park successfully, improving the quality of life and governing
openly and responsively. In the 2007 School Board election, it is our
belief that Marie Castro, Frank D'Alessandro, Barbara Lesinski and
Tom Pivinski represent the best choice for Asbury Park on April 17th. We
strongly encourage all Asbury Park residents to vote for these
candidates.



One Year Term

Frank D'Alessandro, a retired educator, has served on the Board of
Education for the past three years with integrity and distinction. We
are pleased Frank has decided to run for one additional year as his
dedication and hard work would surely be missed. His knowledge of the
workings of the district coupled with his willingness to roll up his
sleeves and get the job done has proven to be the kind of leadership
Asbury Park needs.

Three Year Term

Marie Castro is a semi-retired educator who we believe will bring a
fresh perspective to the Asbury Park school system and the challenges it
currently faces. Marie was recently appointed to the Board to fill a
vacant seat and she noted a strong desire to work with all of the Board
Members to solve problems and to develop sound policies in order to
improve the education our children receive.



Barbara Lesinski has dedicated herself to community service in Asbury
Park for over a decade. A twelve-year veteran of the Asbury Park Police
department, Barbara has also served as the Chairperson of the Asbury
Park Housing Authority. We were impressed with her ideas with regards to
making our schools safer and her enthusiasm for community service.



Tom Pivinski, a former teacher and Asbury Park business owner, also
serves as the Chairperson of the Asbury Park Environment and Shade Tree
Commission.  He is a well-rounded, level-headed, intelligent man with a
diversity of experience and dedicates himself to any task he undertakes.
It is without doubt that we endorse Tom as we fully believe he will work
tirelessly to create a brighter future for the children of Asbury Park.

  Two Year Term

AP|Action decided an endorsement is unnecessary since this is an
uncontested race.



AP|Action's Process

In an effort to represent all of the residents of Asbury Park, the
Asbury Park Action Campaign previously solicited the community to
provide input on questions they would like to have answered from
candidates for the BOE. The most popular questions were provided to all
of the candidates and their written responses are factored into our
decisions. Additionally, we provide all responses to the community and
they will be distributed within a few days. While it is our hope that
everyone will agree with our endorsement selections, we believe that
helping to educate the public regarding a candidate's views is most
important. Accordingly, we encourage everyone to use the candidate's
answers as a reference for making their own determination regarding who
they believe is best suited to serve Asbury Park. Primarily, we
encourage everyone to get out and vote on April 17th!



Additionally, every candidate was given an invitation to meet with
AP|Action's Board of Trustees for an informal private interview. All
accepted our invitation and we were very pleased with all of the
candidates who were able to meet with us.



The Board of Trustees then met to review the candidate's answers to the
public questions and notes taken during the private interviews in order
to decide who best aligns with our core principles and who is best
qualified. Based on that meeting, the Board reached a consensus on
endorsement selections.



This notice is the formal announcement of the Asbury Park Action
Campaign's endorsements in the 2007 Board of Education election. Now,
our volunteers and sponsors will support the endorsed candidates via
advertising including lawn signs, direct mail and newspapers.
Additionally, we will continue to conduct voter 

Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
No matter how it looks, it will probably help Metro homes sell faster.  It's a 
good location for an office, right behind the project.  People going to the 
office can first hand see their future residence being built behind them.  
Thats a neat aspect.   The support part is bad though, i didnt expect it to be 
quite like that either.  I thought it would be painted on too, didn't know it 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread wernerapnj
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No matter how it looks, it will probably help Metro homes sell 
faster.
===

The building is not even built yet !
Nice of you to want Metro sell faster.

But -

The purpose of redevelopment is to HELP THE CITY.

Wouldn't rehabing the pavilion into a business filled fully assesed 
and taxed comercial building HELP THE CITY more ??

We are going to choke on taxes due to lack of ratables.

Werner



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
The building is not even built yet !
Nice of you to want Metro sell faster.
But -
The purpose of redevelopment is to HELP THE CITY.
Wouldn't rehabing the pavilion into a business filled fully assesed 
and taxed comercial building HELP THE CITY more ??
We are going to choke on taxes due to lack of ratables.
   
  yes, what you say makes more sence.  i was just commenting on the location of 
the office is a good plaec for selling the project.  the faster the building is 
sold, and done, the better it is for the city too?
   Of course the building isn't built yet!  Alot of times mass retail 
projects or residential projects have offices before ground is broken.  It's a 
good marketing tool.  When people who don't know everything ride down Ocean 
ave, what's better for them to see?  A big whole in the ground (c-8) or the 
future?  It's good marketing.  The project Dimond head on Ocean Blvd. in Long 
branch had offices set up before their building too (now under construction).

 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread Allan Peterson
Metro selling the units will help the city. The more contracts, the faster the 
building goes up c/o's issued (more ratables) and taxes collected.  That 
building was  WASTE for all this time.  At least now it will dirve people to 
the boradwalk.  Think about it, Metro is advertising, people will come to the 
sales office and then maybe walk around the borads.  


- Original Message 
From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 12:25:11 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ ... wrote:

 No matter how it looks, it will probably help Metro homes sell 
faster.
 = = = = = = =

The building is not even built yet !
Nice of you to want Metro sell faster.

But -

The purpose of redevelopment is to HELP THE CITY.

Wouldn't rehabing the pavilion into a business filled fully assesed 
and taxed comercial building HELP THE CITY more ??

We are going to choke on taxes due to lack of ratables.

Werner





 

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
thue pavilion would be best used in a different way, of course.  But, also 
consider the Asbury Partners offices are there too (their not going anywhere).  
The whole building might as well be offices, keep it all together.  Image if 
they chose to use a portion of a different pavillion!  Then we'd have two 
pavillions tied up!  
   Also, what you said before, about having the clock start on 
reconstruction of the pavillions.  I agree, not sure if you did, but i suspect 
thats the angle you were going for.  If the Metro homes offices space, along 
side with asbury partners officves do not classify as rehabed, then i dont know 
what is.  I say start the clock.
   Werner, do you have any inside info on the Fact that MM wants Lake 
ave. reopened?  What are the chances of that acutally happening?  Forgot who 
posted it, but they didnt come back at me with a reason behind what they said.  
It seemed like they had inside info fo sorts, not sure if that's posisable 
though
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
i took some pictures yesterday, i just added them to the photo section for 
anyone who can't see in person.

  
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[AsburyPark] Asbury Park: A West Side Story - Meet the Author

2007-04-09 Thread MarioAPNJ
Asbury Park: West Side Story
Meet author Madonna Carter Jackson
Saturday, April 141 PM - 3  PM
 
Barnes and Noble
310 Route 36, West Long Branch, NJ
732-542-8868
 
Amazon excerpt:  _Amazon.com:  Asbury Park: A West Side Story - A Pictorial 
Journey Through the Eyes of Joseph  A. Carter, Sr: Books: Madonna, Ca._ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Asbury-Park-Pictorial-Journey-Through/dp/159800963X)  
 
 
Negatives Expose Positive Images

A  photographer's daughter preserved her father's archive of hundreds of 
black and  white negatives. The Images are of a media neglected population of 
people living  in Asbury Park, New Jersey's West Side. She shares her memories 
about the people  and places captured in the photographs that were taken almost 
seventy years ago.  

The Author/Photographer Madonna Carter Jackson has selected over 200  
photographs that document the varied influences, innumerous contributions of  
social, 
civic, and community pride. You will see an amazing visual display of  
pictures from the 1940's through 1980, some of streets and avenues that no  
longer 
exist in the one square mile town on the Jersey coast. Readers of all  ages 
will enjoy and relate to the reminiscing and will without a doubt, have  
memories 
of their own sparked by the display of nostalgia regardless of where  they 
live. African American's sought to find a better life during this period,  and 
you will be able to see life being lived lovely through this pictorial  journey 
as seen through the camera lens of Joseph A. Carter, Sr. (1917-1980) 




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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
Metro selling the units will help the city. The more contracts, the faster the 
building goes up c/o's issued (more ratables) and taxes collected.  That 
building was  WASTE for all this time.  At least now it will dirve people to 
the boradwalk.  Think about it, Metro is advertising, people will come to the 
sales office and then maybe walk around the borads.  
   
   Very true, or somewhat at least.  I suspect anyone going to the officve 
may take a walk around the boardwalk.  Sure, theres nothing on the boardwalk 
(haha), but the idea that the people who are wanting in on the project want 
to walk the asbury boardwalk.  It is a good sign!  Their not just people who 
want a townhouse, or even if they are, at least we know they like the idea of 
the Asbury boardwalk.  Curious to see what's going on.  Do you think the people 
who bought those hi end units on Ovean ave. in Belmar acutally stepped foot 
onto the boardwalk?  The office is no where near the project.
   Also, having the Metro Homes office on the boardwalk is a way to sell 
the Boardwalk.  It's connects the two together.
   But, its agreeded that the pavillion would be better used for a Real 
reason.  But, do you really think anything would have been done with that half 
of the Asbury Partners pavillion anyway?  highly doubted.  It's being put to a 
functional use, compared to nothing at all.  



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread Gary Wien

  But, its agreeded that the pavillion would be better used for  
 a Real reason.  But, do you really think anything would have been  
 done with that half of the Asbury Partners pavillion anyway?   
 highly doubted.  It's being put to a functional use, compared to  
 nothing at all.



Are you kidding?   That pavillion seemed to be in fine shape --  
certainly good enough that Asbury Partners chose to put their offices  
there several years ago.  Meanwhile we have retail stores in  
pavillions with leaky roofs and bad plumbing.  That pavillion could  
definitely have been used for other purposes.

One of my biggest problems with Asbury Partners was them having their  
office space there.  If you're in control of a billion dollar  
rennovation you could spend a hundred dollars on a nice sign for your  
business.  Instead, they had a handwritten sign that looked straight  
out of the little rascals.

That pavillion would have had plenty of chances for use.


 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Werner, do you have any inside info on the Fact that MM 
wants Lake ave. reopened?  What are the chances of that acutally 
happening?  Forgot who posted it, but they didnt come back at me with a 
reason behind what they said.  It seemed like they had inside info fo 
sorts, not sure if that's posisable though
   charlie

It was me and yes I have info. It is not only possible, but it was a 
big mistake to be closed in the first place. MM wants it and will/has 
already asked the city about it.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 One of my biggest problems with Asbury Partners was them having 
their  
 office space there.  If you're in control of a billion dollar  
 rennovation you could spend a hundred dollars on a nice sign for 
your  
 business.  Instead, they had a handwritten sign that looked straight  
 out of the little rascals.


Probably the same sign maker Larry used for his dad's place, Art's 
Ices. No menu - just a hand written sign.

Partners' motto - Minimum In/Maximum Out.

While Metro's use of the 4th Ave pavillion will no doubt draw some 
people to the boards, a restored building with a viable boardwalk use 
would draw more. Again, MM is trying to hit the ground running for this 
season and show some activity. They only get this season as a grace 
period in my book.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
Are you kidding? That pavillion seemed to be in fine shape -- 
certainly good enough that Asbury Partners chose to put their offices 
there several years ago. Meanwhile we have retail stores in 
pavillions with leaky roofs and bad plumbing. That pavillion could 
definitely have been used for other purposes.
   
   Asbury Partners only chose that pavillion as their offices because that 
was the past location of Ocean Mile.  It was already set up.  They did a few 
cosmetic changed and moved right in.  There are still Ocean mile items from the 
past in there.
   The other pavillions are in bad shape, yes.  The offfice pavillion is 
probably the best out of all of them.  Although i suspect the pavillion behind 
the Berkely is i good shape too.  Pretty sure its been sealed since the late 
80's.

 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
Are you kidding? That pavillion seemed to be in fine shape -- 
certainly good enough that Asbury Partners chose to put their offices 
there several years ago. Meanwhile we have retail stores in 
pavillions with leaky roofs and bad plumbing. That pavillion could 
definitely have been used for other purposes.
   
   Asbury Partners only chose that pavillion as their offices because that 
was the past location of Ocean Mile.  It was already set up.  They did a few 
cosmetic changed and moved right in.  There are still Ocean mile items from the 
past in there.
   The other pavillions are in bad shape, yes.  The offfice pavillion is 
probably the best out of all of them.  Although i suspect the pavillion behind 
the Berkely is i good shape too.  Pretty sure its been sealed since the late 
80's.

 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
It was me and yes I have info. It is not only possible, but it was a 
big mistake to be closed in the first place. MM wants it and will/has 
already asked the city about it.
   
  Oh all right,  there you are.  That's good to hear then.  Hope it happens.  

 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread Gary Wien

On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:11 PM, charlie wrote:


  Asbury Partners only chose that pavillion as their offices  
 because that was the past location of Ocean Mile.


Yeah, that was a good omen, wasn't it?



 It was already set up.  They did a few cosmetic changed and moved  
 right in.  There are still Ocean mile items from the past in there.
  The other pavillions are in bad shape, yes.  The offfice  
 pavillion is probably the best out of all of them.


Then why don't you think it would have been put to use had they not  
taken it?  Isn't it easier to move people into a pavillion in good  
shape over ones in poor shape?



 
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2007-04-09 Thread jerseykev
Atlantic Yards Hit with Seventh  Lawsuit  
by Sarah Ryley ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ), 
 published online 04-09-2007

Opponents Ask Court To Make  Project
Start Review, Approval Process Over
By Sarah  Ryley
Brooklyn Daily Eagle
FORT GREENE — Opponents of the  Atlantic Yards arena and high-rise 
development filed a lawsuit  yesterday seeking an annulment of the project’s 
approval 
based on  deficiencies in its Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS),  
bringing the tally of project-related lawsuits to seven.  
The plaintiffs, which include 26 community groups ranging from  neighborhood 
block associations to the Sierra Club, will be asking  state Supreme Court 
Justice Joan Madden (Manhattan) to stop  demolition and construction until the 
case is resolved. If they win,  the project would have to start the entire 
review and approval  process over again, which could take years.  
Project developer Forest City Ratner Companies, the ESDC, the  Public 
Authorities Control Board and the Metropolitan Transportation  Authority are 
all 
named as defendants.  
“The suit filed today by project opponents should come as no  surprise to 
anyone, as the opponents have claimed publicly that  their strategy is to sue 
early and often,” said FCRC Executive Vice  President Bruce Bender.  
“[Yesterday]’s action is simply the latest in a long line of  attempts to 
derail Atlantic Yards and the over 2,500 units of  affordable housing, 
thousands 
of jobs for the community, job  training programs, a new precedent for 
minority and women workers  and contractors, and a new exciting home for the 
Nets 
[basketball  team],” said Bender. “We believe that the opponents’ claims are  
without merit and we will prevail in court.”  
Daniel Goldstein, a plaintiff in one of two lawsuits challenging  the project’
s use of eminent domain, said preparations “to challenge  what we knew would 
be a flawed FEIS” have been three years in the  making, “because we knew it 
would be predetermined who the developer  of the project would be.” Goldstein 
is also the spokesman for  Develop Don’t Destroy Brooklyn (DDDB), the group 
leading opposition  to the project that is named in this lawsuit and two 
others.  
Central to arguments against the project is the fact that no  other 
developers were seriously considered for redevelopment of the  Vanderbilt 
Yards, 
situated at the intersection of Atlantic and  Fourth avenues, and essential to 
the 
22-acre project.  
“For nearly four years, we participated in an exhaustive public  review 
process, involving hundreds of meetings with local leaders  and officials, 
including numerous public hearings, as well as  countless meetings with 
community 
representatives,” said Bender. “We  have also complied with rigorous state and 
city requirements,  resulting in what we believe is a better project.”  
Does an Arena Serve 
A ‘Civic Purpose’?
The lawsuit  also seeks a declaration that a privately-leased and operated 
sports  arena does not meet the definition of a “civic project” under the  
Urban Development Corporation Act, which was established in the  1960s to 
fast-track urban renewal. The act gives the ESDC the power  to issue bonds and 
grant 
tax abatements, condemn land and seize  property through eminent domain, and to 
overrule local zoning laws  without acquiring legislative approval for urban 
renewal-related  projects.  
The ESDC has often used its authority to spur private  development. The Jacob 
K. Javits Convention Center and the  redevelopment of Times Square, which 
both used eminent domain, and  the World Trade Center Memorial Fund are a few 
examples.  
Opponents of the project said the Barclays Center — named after  Barclays 
Bank purchased the naming rights for the Nets arena and  immediately 
surrounding 
high-rises — is not a civic project because  community groups would only have 
use of the arena for 10 events a  year, at a prohibitively high price.  
Community groups would be charged $100,000 to hold events like  high school 
graduations at the Barclays Center, according to a  state-mandated financial 
analysis of the project. Other nights would  be used for Nets basketball games 
and concerts.  
The lawsuit contends that “the home of a professional sports team  and 
commercial venue [is] by no stretch of the imagination a  ‘facility for 
educational, 
cultural, recreational, community,  municipal, public service or other 
municipal purposes.’”  
Supporters of the project have argued that the affordable housing  and jobs 
it provides would also serve a civic purpose.  
“Another delay in the Atlantic Yards project means delaying  economic 
opportunity for many in the Brooklyn community,” said Delia  Hunley-Adossa, 
chair of 
the committee overseeing the project’s  Community Benefits Agreement. “Those 
opposing the project can afford  delays, but what of the over 2,000 who are 
clamoring for jobs, the  hundreds of minority and women-owned contractors 

[AsburyPark] Re: Drug Testing in Schools

2007-04-09 Thread 2fine4u
Not trying to be funny, but bring back the whack!  These kids need
guidance, that they don't get, or the parents are too afraid to
punish, them.  On the other hand, you have the torturers, like those
foster parents, who starved those 3 kids!  Kids today, will tell you,
they will call DYFS, which I needed someone, to tell me what Difus,
is!  I kid you not!  I didn't know what WELFARE, was, because when I
was a kid, it was called RELIEF!  When my Dad spoke about someone,
who was on relief, I thought they had passed GAS!   Okay, okay!  I
am just in the dark, still naive, no, stupid!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
 
  I don't know if it's me, or what, but I have a totally different 
 
 I was talking to some guy the other day who said his teacher took care 
 of the problem kid himself. He had a big old college ring on, would 
 turn it around, and whack the kid in the side of the head.





 
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[AsburyPark] Asbury Boy,16, charged with stealing car

2007-04-09 Thread Hinge
Wow, they start young in our town...

Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 04/9/07

EATONTOWN — Police said they took a 16-year-old Asbury Park boy into custody 
after they 
saw him unlock a stolen vehicle with a key and get inside.

The owner of the 2004 Toyota reported the vehicle stolen to Asbury Park police 
on Friday.

Eatontown Police Sgt. Mike Panchak located the Toyota on the same day, by 
tracking a Lojack 
vehicle recovery signal, according to Detective Sgt. Thomas Clayton.

The officer found the vehicle parked in the Monmouth Mall lot, so Detective 
Edward Nelson 
set up surveillance, and he spotted the boy get into the car around 9:10 p.m., 
police said.

The boy was charged with possession of a stolen vehicle. He was released to his 
parents.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Another Twist on Development

2007-04-09 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
Werner, 
Any idea what that $150,000 fee we paid  was for? 


Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] Another Twist on 
Development  Date: 4/9/2007 7:31:26 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time  From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com)   Sent on:
NY Times Article - excerpts:

...in the  nine years since construction began that the schools are 
overflowing,  property taxes are skyrocketing and the main streets 
are  clogged.

...lent their construction manager to Asbury Park for a  $150,000 
fee. Last month, they sued the state Department of Education for  
money they claim was unfairly cut off

The lost state aid might have  become an afterthought if the 
township had been able to collect anticipated  taxes from commercial 
property next to Town Center.

Without the  expected commercial taxes, residential property taxes 
in Washington Township  rose 84 percent between 1998 and  2004,


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/09/nyregion/09smart.html?
_r=1pagewanted=all

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http://tinyurl.com/36ht3q


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
Then why don't you think it would have been put to use had they not 
taken it? Isn't it easier to move people into a pavillion in good 
shape over ones in poor shape?
   
  i was stating facts and posting statements.  i didn't post my oppion.  but, i 
feel it would have most likley been left empty.  how come it was never occupied 
in previous years?  for some reason they chose pavillions in horriable shape.  
i dont know.

 
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[AsburyPark] sidewalk ramps on ocean ave.

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
 It's funny how time works sometimes.  I took some pictures of a 
few of the sidewalks ramps on Sunday.  You know, the ramps that go from 
Ocean ave.  up onto the sidewalks.  I took them with reason to post 
them on here, but i never saved them onto my computer becasue i decided 
to wait a few more weeks.
 Anyway, to the point. ha ha.  There are (were!) two ramps between 
1st and 2nd that looked different then all the others.  Couldn't figure 
out why.  At first i thoguth they were speacial ramps for the disabled 
spots, but that didnt play out.  
 These two ramps had the verticle blocks cutting in from the road 
out to the ocean. It's hard to discribe here.  should have saved the 
pictures.
 Today i see these ramps are tore up, and a few more spots were cut 
out of the curb.  I wonder if someone go in trouble for not having 
enough ramps?  or is this the voice of MM somehow?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Drug Testing in Schools

2007-04-09 Thread Jim

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not trying to be funny, but bring back the whack!  These kids need
 guidance, that they don't get, or the parents are too afraid to
 punish, them.  On the other hand, you have the torturers, like those
 foster parents, who starved those 3 kids!  Kids today, will tell you,
 they will call DYFS, which I needed someone, to tell me what Difus,
 is!  I kid you not!  I didn't know what WELFARE, was, because when I
 was a kid, it was called RELIEF!  When my Dad spoke about someone,
 who was on relief, I thought they had passed GAS!   Okay, okay!  I
 am just in the dark, still naive, no, stupid!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote:
  
   I don't know if it's me, or what, but I have a totally different 
  
  I was talking to some guy the other day who said his teacher took care 
  of the problem kid himself. He had a big old college ring on, would 
  turn it around, and whack the kid in the side of the head.
 

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Sharon,
You are right.Spending Easter at my Mothers out in Jackson for several days 
brought back memories.I would never talk to my parents when I was growing like 
some kids do today.My neighbors could whack me for being bad.Then I would get 
whack when I got home.God Bless You Sharon you are a person Asbury Park is 
lucky to have.You should run for Council.

Jim Grabe
Just Another Veteran 
from Asbury Park.  



 
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[AsburyPark] Becket Fund Press Release on Lighthouse Mission V Long Branch

2007-04-09 Thread jerseykev
 
Lighthouse Mission Fights for Survival
Mar 29, 2007 
March 27, Philadelphia, PA – Today the Third Circuit Court of Appeals heard  
arguments in the case of Lighthouse Institute for Evangelism v. City of Long  
Branch. Since 1994, Lighthouse has been seeking permission from zoning 
officials  to provide social services and conduct worship services from their 
location at  162 Broadway. However, the City’s plans to redevelop this 
previously 
rundown  section of the Jersey Shore City have so far excluded the Lighthouse 
Mission.  
“If the City were serious about cleaning up the area, they’d be more  
accommodating to religious groups like Lighthouse that provide valuable 
services  to 
those in need,” said Anthony Picarello, Vice President and General Counsel  
for the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, a public interest law firm that  
argued on behalf of lighthouse before the Third Circuit. “Instead, they’ve  
allowed theaters and bars galore while excluding Lighthouse, which would 
provide  
real benefits to the entire community.”  
The Third Circuit panel will rule on the Church’s claims that the city’s  
zoning ordinances, new and old, violate the Free Exercise Clause of the First  
Amendment as well as the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act  
(RLUIPA). 
“RLUIPA says you must treat churches at least as well as secular assemblies,  
and that includes theaters and bars,” explained Picarello. “If the 
government is  going to let people come together for drinks, they can’t 
distinguish 
between  beer and communion wine.” 
Relevant Cases
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[AsburyPark] 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread oakdorf
Here's an idea for it and should of been in the agreement.

How about restoring it as a bathhouse - you know, one the public could 
use to shower and sh_t?

The basement was used for lifeguard room, the upper floor for the 
bathhouse as was the basement. It had a tunnel that led out to the 
beach.

What a concept,no?

There's a building that has been misued for 35 years. 

Let's see if metro has better luck marketing their building. At least 
from the look of the design, it has a better chance.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Becket Fund Press Release on Lighthouse Mission V Long Branch

2007-04-09 Thread oakdorf
...If the government is going to let people come together for drinks, 
they can't distinguish between beer and communion wine

amazing.





 
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[AsburyPark] Keady in NYTimes

2007-04-09 Thread radio881gal
Hey did anybody else find this story featuring Jim Keady in the 
NYTimes on Saturday? The reporter is a longtime NYT staff guy, too.
You can say what you want about Jim, but he sure is earnest! This 
also might help some people understand what Educating for Justice - 
Keady's company - actually does. This stuff that came up at that 
council meeting about Jim's business benefitting by his helping 
homeless people find a place to stay is really misguided.
Maureen

Well-Meaning but Misguided Stock Screens 
By JOE NOCERA
 
In a small, packed meeting room at the Manhattan headquarters of TIAA-
CREF, an earnest man named James W. Keady rose to make a speech. TIAA-
CREF, as you probably know, is a huge financial services firm, with 
more than $400 billion in assets. Mr. Keady, 35, a former college 
soccer player with a master's degree in theology, is the founder of a 
group called Educating for Justice, which consists, essentially, of 
himself and his wife. It has a budget of $80,000.
 
TIAA-CREF's primary mission is to manage the retirement accounts for 
over three million academics, researchers, hospital workers and other 
members of the nonprofit universe. (The initials stand for Teachers 
Insurance and Annuity Association-College Retirement Equities Fund.) 
Educating for Justice's mission is narrower: Mr. Keady wants to bring 
the giant Nike Corporation to its knees. 
 
Or at least to force Nike to drastically improve the pay and working 
conditions of the thousands of people in developing countries who 
work in the factories that produce its footwear. In 1997, Mr. Keady 
was forced off the St. John's University soccer coaching staff 
because he objected so strenuously to a multimillion-dollar deal the 
school was negotiating with Nike. He has made Nike his life's work 
ever since, even living in Indonesia for a while to better understand 
the working conditions of the factory employees.
 
Nike executives feel certain that the wages earned by people 
producing Nike products are sufficient for meeting an individual's 
basic needs in the local towns where goods are produced, he said 
Tuesday at the TIAA-CREF mutual funds shareholder meeting, his eyes 
ablaze with passion. Unfortunately, based on Educating for Justice's 
ongoing research of the same, we are not as convinced. 
 
Like many activists, Mr. Keady was making his complaint to TIAA-CREF 
largely because of the firm's reputation for a kind of genteel 
activism. It also supports what's called socially responsible 
investing: that is, investing in companies that have strong records 
in areas like the environment and human rights, and avoiding 
companies with poor records. In 1990, in response to complaints by 
some of its academic clients who wanted to avoid investing in mutual 
funds that held oil, tobacco, military and other bad stocks, TIAA-
CREF began offering its first socially screened investment product. 
 
It currently has two; one of them, the CREF Social Choice Account, is 
the largest socially responsible investing vehicle in the country, 
with $9 billion in assets. And it clearly plans to do more. A few 
weeks ago, TIAA-CREF came out with an updated policy statement on 
corporate governance that stressed its desire to engage with 
companies on governance, environmental, social and performance 
issues. One of its executives, John Wilcox, does nothing but manage 
the firm's work in this area.
 
Indeed, after the meeting, Mr. Wilcox approached Mr. Keady, and they 
huddled for about 10 minutes. Mr. Wilcox listened respectfully, and 
offered to meet with Mr. Keady for a longer discussion.
 
But then I spoke to Mr. Wilcox, and discovered something that 
surprised me. Nike, which had been kicked out of TIAA-CREF's socially 
responsible funds back when it was first engulfed in controversy over 
the treatment of workers in overseas factories, was reinstated in the 
summer of 2005. Which means that TIAA-CREF had come to the view that 
Nike had earned the right to rejoin the ranks of socially responsible 
companies. But what, exactly, was that judgment based on?
 
I should concede right here that I've always harbored some suspicion 
about socially responsible investing. The longstanding complaint from 
skeptics is that it forces investors to accept lower returns — 
because lots of rising stocks are excluded — for dubious social good. 
But performance isn't really the problem. A number of socially 
screened mutual funds have done just fine, and the benchmark Domini 
400 index, which is made up entirely of companies viewed as socially 
responsible, has actually outperformed the Standard  Poor's 500-
stock index over the course of its 16-year existence. Besides, most 
mainstream mutual fund managers don't consistently beat the market, 
so why should socially responsible fund managers be held to a higher 
standard?
 
No, my problem is that socially responsible investing oversimplifies 
the world, and in so doing distorts reality. It allows investors to 

[AsburyPark] Re: Podcast

2007-04-09 Thread radio881gal
Thanks, JJ and Sharon -
I'm afraid podcasts are still limited to a finite group of people. 
And the phone in's are what the show was all about - that and having 
guests on; and I'm not sure how the multiple guests would work in a 
podcast format.
 I'd like to have a cable type show with guests, something that would 
be timely. Channel 77 is good for scheduled programs, but not 
breaking news. Can you imagine having to change the tape everytime 
the situation changes in Asbury? And that would be my obligation, 
right up until airing time - possibly 6 weeks after the actual 
taping. 
Anybody know anybody with pull? That's where my followers could 
really help out, even telling a station that they need the show. 
It seems a shame, there's so much information that needs to get 
discussed. Yet we have air time going to somebody like Imus - or the 
101.5 guys today at 6. The guy describing how his wife cleans up 
after sex while he watches sports. Ewoo!!
Thanks again, guys!
Maureen
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Maureen,
 
 Ever thought of podcasting? You basically have all the 
infrastructure 
 in place, its simply a matter of submitting your streams to iTunes 
or 
 podcastalley.
 
 http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html
 
 The good part is you're not subject to the FCC. Also, you can edit 
 your show, aren't bound to set timelines, and can do it during a 
more 
 convenient time. The bad part is you can't really take call-ins 
 unless they're prearranged.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Restore881FM restore881FM@ 
 wrote:
 
  Whatever happened to Asbury Radio?
  Well I thought you'd never ask, Allen.
  The weekly show was like doing a feature article a week and so 
took 
 considerable time from my revenue producing work. For most of the 
 past 6.5 years my freelance work suffered and so did my bank 
account. 
 Just prior to the first FCC visit to WYGG, I took an office job. My 
 boss allows me to work four weekdays and Saturday, affording me one 
 weekday to do my freelancing. It's working out quite well. The same 
 cannot be said for the show, which hasn't aired since Nov. 16th.
  This letter, below, that I sent to Sen. Menendez on March 20th, 
 will explain the current status. I recently got a response from 
Cong. 
 Frank Pallone to a similar fax I sent him, on Feb. 12th.  He said 
his 
 office had asked the FCC's enforcement bureau to look into it. If I 
 don't hear anything by April 8th, I should give him another call. 
 This isn't satisfactory since the station's temporary permit 
expires 
 April 7th. Pallone had no response to that information.
  I know you've been critical of my show in the past, Allen, but I 
 would hope that you and other critics could still appreciate the 
 importance of this threat to free speech - and no, I still don't 
know 
 who is behind this.
 
  March 20, 2007
   
  Re. FCC Intervention in WYGG 88.1FM
   
  Dear Senator Menendez:
   
  I have had a radio show, Asbury Radio (previously Restore by the 
 Shore and Restore Radio), on WYGG 88.1 FM, which would've been on 
the 
 air 7 years this June. The station is a low-band, minority owned 
 arrangement that broadcasts largely in Haitian Creole. (Abner Luima 
 bought and held the license until recently.) 
   
  In mid-November Steven Desena, a field engineer with the FCC 
based 
 on Varick St., in NY, claimed to be driving by our studios at 601 
 Bangs Ave., in Asbury Park. Mr. Desena gained entrance to the 
 building and examined the antenna without WYGG present. DeSena 
phoned 
 the station manager, Jean Guy Henry, and pretended to be a cable 
 installer who needed the transmitter turned down to work on the 
roof. 
 He then summoned Henry  to the roof and brow beat Henry to try to 
get 
 him to turn off the transmitter. Eventually, according to Henry, 
 Desena turned off the transmission himself, which I’m told is a 
 violation of FCC rules. The station remained off the air from just 
 before Thanksgiving until February of 2007.
   
  Desena told Henry he’d have to move the station, which he did 
 during January.  The station was relocated to a house owned by and 
 adjacent to the French Haitian church at 414 Asbury Ave. The FCC 
 granted a temporary permit to allow the station back up on the air, 
 but that permission expires in early April. The management 
gradually 
 reintroduced programming to the station, with the exception of my 
 show. Henry told me in March that he’s afraid that my show is the 
 real target of the FCC’s attentions. (Desena visited again at the 
 new location on Jan. 28th.) This makes three or four visits to a 
100-
 watt station in roughly two months. Despite this, there is no 
record 
 on the FCC's web pages for listing Notices of Apparent Violation.
  On a recent visit, Desena reportedly asked specifically about my 
 talk show and, granted this is second hand, told Henry that it may 
be 
 the public’s right to talk 

[AsburyPark] Re:what ever happened to - The Conspiracy To End Piracy

2007-04-09 Thread radio881gal
Thanks, Kevin and Dan -
When you look at what's out there, there just isn't local talk, where 
anyone can call in and start a thread going. Granted, we had our guests 
and topics lined up each week, er, most weeks anyway. But we tried to 
keep it some portion each week open. The only format that I can think 
of even close is Jim Gearhardt. But he keeps it extremely narrow. 
Asbury's always been about punishing people who speak out. I remember 
when Barbara Lesinski tried to tell me about the recriminations that 
would fly. I thought she was exaggerating. Huh!
Steve Adubato has a callin show on cable. It's usually politicians and 
reporters. But why couldn't Asbury Radio be done that way?  Man, I'm 
babbling away here. Better get some shut eye.
Thanks for listening...
Maureen


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
  Maureen, the most important element of your production was the 
  freedom that you allowed for people to speak their minds and profer 
  their opinions.  Additionally you providing opposition a voice - 
  balanced with those they were in opposition to.
  
  Those in power, who have things they wish to keep secret or too 
  complicated to understand, fear such forums.
  
  You should consider going live once a week online!
 
 
 I truly miss Maureen's show. Independent radio, and especially 
 independet local talk radio, is an important local asset that is 
 quickly dissappearing. Can't wait until you are back on the air waves.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] 4th ave pav

2007-04-09 Thread charlie
The basement was used for lifeguard room, the upper floor for the 
bathhouse as was the basement. It had a tunnel that led out to the 
beach.
   
  Are you talking about the asbury partners building?  Didn't know that was 
it's orignal use all those years ago   are we talking about the same 
building?  I know it was the candy store in the late 70's to --?-- on the 
southern end.  Weren't the bathrooms located where the present one is now?  
Behind the empress and berkely?

   
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