[AsburyPark] Re: Little League - SUFA

2007-12-03 Thread apoojo
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We did it with SUFA and we can do it with the Little League. First of
 all, write those emails protesting the action of the BOE's attorneys,
 and by extension the BOE itself, is derailing the AP Little League 
field.
 
 1. Continue to vote against payment of the attorneys' bills. Let the
 state monitor override the BOE vote and go out on a limb and pay the
 attorneys.
 
 2. Sue the BOE. Maybe the city can join in another amicus brief.
 
 3. Get state and county elected officials on the case. Keep the
 pressure up. Open this travesty to the light of day. The BOE attorneys
 are wasting state taxpayer money.

 totaly agree, this is a winable item, it has to get out to the public, 
the press, the politicians, i continue to say it, this bd. has to have 
the backbone to take on the CZAR, why not on this issue? its for the 
childre, its been in the works for over 2 years, and it is cheaper to 
coniunue than move everything, duh, one would think a no brainer, but i 
think Frank said it in a SANE CITY this would not be happening.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: wonder bar

2007-12-03 Thread arcman210
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I visited the Holiday Bazaar this past Saturday Night at the 
Convention
 Hall.  There was a stand selling new Wonder Bar shirts. When I asked 
why
 they would have new merchandise for a place that was closed down, the
 woman working there said that the Wonder Bar was not necessarily gone
 for good...




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: wonder bar

2007-12-03 Thread arcman210
I was also curious about the wonder bar when I stopped by the bazaar 
saturday.  At the Esperanza stand I picked up a matchbook and one one 
side was a rendering of the Esperanza, on the other was an 
advertisement for the wonder bar.  Also saw the lights on and thought 
it was open at first when I got there.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, arhythmick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 I visited the Holiday Bazaar this past Saturday Night at the 
Convention
 Hall.  There was a stand selling new Wonder Bar shirts. When I 
asked why
 they would have new merchandise for a place that was closed down, 
the
 woman working there said that the Wonder Bar was not necessarily 
gone
 for good...
 




 
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[AsburyPark] Asbury Park Pop Warner Pee Wees--Go Bishops

2007-12-03 Thread denise
Left for Florida yesterday will be playing their first game on Tuesday


  

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RE: [AsburyPark] wonder bar

2007-12-03 Thread charlie
The Wonder Bar was only lit up to add a nice background for the holiday events 
at the beachfront.  Gary Mottola asked me if I could light it up and since they 
have done so much to improve the area I was happy to comply. 
   
It's kind of rediculous when you stop and think about it!!!  Why would 
you turn a buildings lights on, giving the illusion that it's open if it's 
not.   Sure it looks good, but isn't that missleading to the visitors accross 
the street at CH?  When you walked up close however you could see that it 
wasn't open.. The people who visited CH events, and havn't been up to date on 
the beachfronts activies might asssume its open.  Just not that night. That AP 
had done something good, and saved a bar from 30 years ago.  Little do they 
know, it was all for show.  
I don't think the WB is gone either.  I don't think it will ever reopen 
in that building, but the location maybe.  Ocean Ave is still sopose to have 
ground floor retail/or?, right?  If we can somehow knock out all housing on 
that one corner that would be good.  I can' picture being outside in front of 
CH, or the SWC and looking up at residential windows...  Right near the park, 
the hotel, CH... It won't work...  I take that back, it will work, however it 
will slowly kill more life out of AP.
   

   
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[AsburyPark] Euro keeps NYC real estate prices up - how do we get Euros in Asbury?

2007-12-03 Thread lindagriggsartist
Euro keeps NYC real estate prices up - how do we get Euros in Asbury?

Someone told me that the US housing slump had no effect on NYC because
the weak dollar means that NYC real estate is effectively on sale if
you've got euros.

So how do all these co-op converters and house flippers get the word
out to rich Euros?  

I wish I knew.  





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And the difference between Italian Catholicism and Irish Catholicism is
 Italian Catholicism has a cuisine. They get fed. The greatest virtue in
 Irish Catholicism is to deny yourself.

I am half Irish and we always had irish 7 course dinners - a sixpack
and a baked potato ;)

Truly, at the Italian functions (weddings, funeralss, etc.) we ate
ourselves into a frenzy. At the Irish ones we drank ourselves into a
frenzy.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Little League - SUFA

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you better convince SUFA that having a little league field in AP will
 increase their property values.  i will happily be wrong, but they
 don't give a rat's ass about kids in AP.  they had one issue in mind.
  and it wasn't the welfare of anyone here.  it was their welfare only.


Well you are wrong. Many of the same folks who supported SUFA have
supported many, many charitable drives in AP over the years. And BTW,
having the LL field is good for all our welfare and our property
values. Low property values never helped anyone. You are too myopic to
recognize that one can balance improving property values and the
standard of living. While a rising tide may not raise all boats, a
sinking tide will certainly strand all.



 
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[AsburyPark] How great were the singers and the fireworks!

2007-12-03 Thread lindagriggsartist
It was such a wonderful night.

I hope you all got to see it.  And 1st Sat was esp. fun for us since
we got to meet some neighbors AND we found out they were artists too.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Euro keeps NYC real estate prices up - how do we get Euros in Asbury?

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
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wrote:

 Euro keeps NYC real estate prices up - how do we get Euros in Asbury?
 
 Someone told me that the US housing slump had no effect on NYC because
 the weak dollar means that NYC real estate is effectively on sale if
 you've got euros.
 
 So how do all these co-op converters and house flippers get the word
 out to rich Euros?  
 
 I wish I knew.

I do a lot of Manhattan land valuations for litigation. The other day
we had a meeting with the CEO (female) of the largest US re company in
for a talk. They advised us of a sale of a site just on the western
fringe of Times Square that was in contract and not closed. Without
even closing yet on the site, let alone beginning demolition and
construction, the planned condos have all been pre-sold to Irish
buyers. The Irish have been the most prolific buyers in NYC.

Besides the obvious currency conversion discount, European real estate
is extremely expensive relative to the US. Europe has maxed out
development and land coverage over a much greater period of years than
the US. Europeans look at the US as sparsely populated.

While the Irish have experienced a great economy over the past decade,
it is very difficult for Europeans to buy real estate. Homes are
typically inherited and generations still share residences. It is
quite uncommon in most of Europe for newly married couples to have
their own home.

Could you market AP to Europeans? Perhaps. Canadians and Brits have
always favored the warmer climes. I remember Ft Lauderdale and
Hollywod FL becoming an extension of Montreal.

Might be a hard sell. You would need someone to be working over there.
If I were Metro, that is what I would do. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Prepared by Global Insight for The United States Conference of Mayors  
 November 26, 2007


But help is on the way. From WSJ.


Some Investors
Fault Plan to Aid
Home Borrowers
Critics Say Rate Freeze
May Prolong the Pain;
Lenders' Shares Rise
By DEBORAH SOLOMON, JAMES R. HAGERTY and LINGLING WEI
December 1, 2007; Page A1

WASHINGTON -- A government-led plan to freeze interest rates on
certain troubled subprime home loans drew criticism both from
investors who foresee losses and from some analysts warning that it
will merely prolong the pain of the mortgage crisis.

But others said the Bush administration was making the right move to
stave off dangers in the housing market. Shares of major home lenders
moved higher.

As much as $362 billion in U.S. subprime home mortgages with
adjustable interest rates are due to reset at potentially higher rates
in the coming year, according to Banc of America Securities, risking a
wave of defaults by borrowers unable to afford the new monthly
payments. That in turn could exacerbate a wave of write-offs by
investors who now own those mortgages. Losses related to bad mortgages
already have reached the tens of billions of dollars and have led to
turmoil in the world's financial markets.
[Mortgage]

Fears that the problems could accelerate have led the U.S. Treasury
and the mortgage industry to develop a plan that would postpone the
higher rates for some borrowers.

The success of the plan, details of which are still under discussion,
may hang on the many investors in securities backed by mortgages. A
coalition of lenders negotiating with the administration includes
investor representatives, but the securities are held world-wide and
it would be impossible to get everyone's approval. A deal could also
spark lawsuits from investors who believe they're being cheated out of
their money.

Unlike in years past, when just a bank and a borrower were involved in
a mortgage, today's loans have been bundled together, sliced into
securities and sold to investors. That has created problems for
officials trying to help borrowers, because so many parties are involved.

Alan Fournier, a fund manager at Pennant Capital Management LLC,
Chatham, N.J., predicted that the plan being pushed by the Treasury
Department will prolong the pain of the housing slump. He said it
would merely delay inevitable foreclosures for some people who can't
afford their homes, while allowing holders of mortgage-backed
securities to put off marking down their assets.

This reduces the pressure short-term to bring everything to a
clearing price, Mr. Fournier says. We really just need to let it
wash through.

Most subprime loans, which go to borrowers with poor credit records,
carry an introductory teaser rate for two or three years before
moving to a higher rate. The plan would keep the teaser rate
temporarily for some borrowers.

The outline of the Bush administration plan won praise from a diverse
spectrum. Paul Krugman, the liberal New York Times columnist, offered
kudos to the Bush administration on his blog, saying that while he
needed to see more details, It seems that [Treasury Secretary] Henry
Paulson is being much more proactive on the housing mess than I expected.

House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank, a Massachusetts
Democrat, offered legislative help for the large-scale modification of
loans, saying he was encouraged by reports of progress in efforts to
help borrowers who are in danger of losing their homes.

The plan is being negotiated by the Treasury Department and a
coalition of mortgage-industry participants, including lenders,
mortgage counselors and servicers -- the companies that collect
mortgage payments. Many of the particulars need to be worked out,
including how long the interest-rate freeze would last and which
subprime borrowers would be eligible for relief.

Interest rates on about two million adjustable mortgages are scheduled
to jump over the next two years, threatening many of those borrowers
with foreclosure.
RELATED ARTICLES
 
• Setting Criteria on Mortgage Aid1
12/1/07
• Moody's Warns Over Ratings of Some SIVS2
12/1/07
• U.S., Banks Near A Plan to Freeze Subprime Rates3
11/30/07

Andy Chow, who manages a $7 billion portfolio of mortgage bonds and
other fixed-income assets for SCM Advisors in San Francisco, said the
success of the plan will depend on how many borrowers qualify.

Given what we know right now, it would benefit a smaller number of
borrowers than the market is assuming, he said. But if they expand
this notion to include more loans, such as those that haven't reset
but have already been delinquent or those that have already reset, it
could be a big deal for the markets.

The stocks of financial institutions involved in the plan rose sharply
in Friday trading, in part because of expectations that the Federal
Reserve might cut interest rates but also because of hope that the
government's plan might put 

[AsburyPark] The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread MarioAPNJ
Prepared by Global Insight for The United States Conference of Mayors  
November 26, 2007
 
_Global  Insight // Highlight_ 
(http://www.globalinsight.com/Highlight/HighlightDetail11078.htm)  
 
Using Global Insight's proprietary databases and extensive housing analyses,  
the report for the U.S. Conference of Mayors, The Mortgage Crisis: Economic 
and  Fiscal Implications for Metro Areas, examines the effects of the housing 
 recession and mortgage crisis on the economic growth prospects for 361 of 
the  nation's metropolitan areas. Weak residential investment, lower spending 
and  income in the construction industries, as well as curtailed consumer 
spending  resulting from decreased home equity will have multiplier effects 
on the 
 nation's economy. Other report findings include:  
*   The foreclosure crisis alone will reduce home values by an additional 
$519  billion in 2008, bringing the total forecast of lost equity for the 
nation's  homeowners to
$1.2 trillion. 

*   In 2008, the economy will grow at a rate of 1.9%, a full percentage 
point  lower than would have been the case without the mortgage crisis. 

*   Foreclosures will increase by at least 1.4 million in 2008; these 
homes  represent a market value of $316 billion. 

*   In 10 states, representing a cross section of the United States, the  
aggregate loss in tax revenue will equal $6.6 billion. 

*   Home price declines across the United States will average 7% in 2008, 
 ranging as high as 16% in California. 

*   Consumer spending will slip to 2.0% growth, well below a 3.1% gain in 
 incomes. 

*   Housing starts will continue to decline until the second quarter of 
2008,  when the annual rate of housing starts will be less than 1 million. 

*   Sales of existing homes also will continue to fall, by another 10% in 
 2008. 
Full Study:
_The  Mortgage Crisis: Economic and Fiscal Implications for Metro  Areas_ 
(http://www.globalinsight.com/Scripts/registrationForm.cfm?ID=100) 
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Maybe not. 




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[AsburyPark] Special meeting for City Council

2007-12-03 Thread denise
Events for 12/4/2007
Start Time7:00 PM
Title
Council Meeting
Location
Asbury Tower Senior Cneter
Extra Details
Please be advised that the mayor and Council of the City of Asbury Park will 
hold a Special Work Session Meeting on Tuesday, December 4,2007, at 7:00 PM at 
the Asbury Tower Senior Center, 1701 Ocean Avenue.
The purpose of said meeting is to discuss community issues.  there will not be 
any official business conducted at this meeting.
This notice is being posted in compliance with the Open Public Meeting Act.
Stephen M. Kay
City Clerk


  

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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am half Irish...

My brother.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
--but those borrowers are still faced with payments on a home they
might of over paid for or were weak getting into, high credit card
rates to buy the car to go with the house, the furnishings and clothes.

If the feds want to really help, they would cut everyone's property
taxes in HALF for 5 years. that would return $300 to $700 month in a
homeowner's pocket...so it could be pissed away somewhere else. (skip
the rich and limit the credit).

If you go to save it and aren't careful, it will get sucked out of
your retirement fund or other investment.


And guess where that tax savings would come from - that school tax.




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of M...

2007-12-03 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/3/2007 12:26:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

But  help is on the way. From WSJ.


James Diffley, who helped write that report for the mayors, was on C-Span  
this morning.  He was asked if a bail out like Reagan's Savings  Loan  
lifeline 
would be forthcoming now.  He claimed not to see any such  bailout.
 
I dunno



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Euro keeps NYC real estate prices up - how do we get Eur...

2007-12-03 Thread MarioAPNJ
 


In a message dated 12/3/2007 12:06:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The Irish  have been the most prolific buyers in NYC.


 
Are we better off than we were 7 years ago?   Ireland is.
 
Ireland's economic miracle demonstrates the adage fortune favors the well  
prepared. (James Burnham)
 
from  _Midweek  Perspectives: We can import the 'Irish Miracle'_ 
(http://www.post-gazette.com/forum/20010321edflor3.asp)   
The Irish Miracle was powered by a new model of growth, premised upon the  
Three Ts of economic development - technology, talent and tolerance from 
which 
 we can learn.  
 Technology: Under the savvy leadership of the Industrial Development 
Authority,  the Irish worked aggressively to recruit leading high-tech 
companies 
through a  policy of industrialization by invitation.  
Financial and tax-related incentives helped recruit the first wave of  
companies such as IBM, Lotus, Intel, Microsoft, Dell, Gateway and Oracle, which 
 
were also lured by the thick talent pool emerging from the country's 
world-class  
universities.  
Not content to simply recruit high-tech from abroad, the Irish government  
formed a body known as Enterprise Ireland, to support entrepreneurship and  
venture capital and foster the indigenous high-tech industry. Today, top Irish  
companies such as Baltimore Technologies, Iona Technologies and NUA are players 
 
on the global stage.  
The Irish software industry now consists of some 700 firms, employing over  
18,000 people. Today, Ireland is the fifth-largest producer and second-largest  
exporter of packaged software in the world - second only to the United 
States.  
 Talent: By investing in its higher education system, Ireland simultaneously  
bolstered is ability both to generate and to attract top talent. Since the  
1960s, the Irish government has invested heavily in higher education and, in  
particular, it has supported the formation of technical skills in electronics  
and computer-related disciplines through a system of regional technical  
colleges.  
Today, 60 percent of Ireland's university students major in engineering,  
science or business. And with a growing job market and exciting lifestyle  
options, fewer and fewer have any reason to leave the country.  
 Tolerance and Lifestyle: But both of these more traditional economic 
development  efforts would not have worked if Ireland did not support and 
reinforce 
them with  the third T. Long a conservative nation, Ireland built upon its 
legacy of  culture, art and music to become a center for bohemian energy and an 
eclectic  milieu of scenes, lifestyles and people.  
Today the streets teem with a mixture of people - from buttoned-down  
businessmen to geeky software developers, edgy black-garbed artists and  
musicians. 
In a remarkable fusion of history and progressiveness, Ireland has  turned 
cities like Dublin into lifestyle meccas for dynamic creative people and  those 
who want to be around such amenities.  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
  I am half Irish...
 
 My brother.


separated at birth



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I am willing to believe that food banks are as capable of using
 propaganda as much as the Bush admin...

Perhaps everyone uses propaganda.

This weekend on the way out of church, my kids wanted to stop at 
the giving tree.  It is a Christmas Tree set up with little tags 
all over it.  

On each tag is the name of a present that a poor child in the area 
wants for christmas.  You pull a tag and donate that present.

The first tag we pulled - a request for a certain wii game.  This 
started a discussion amongst our family.  We don't have a wii 
console, because it is $250.00 and I told my kids I'm not spending 
that much money on a toy (even though they really want one).

If this poor kid is asking for one of the wii games, then he must 
already have the $250.00 wii console.  Is he really poor? Even if he 
is, is he poor enough that he should get our limited charity, while 
perhaps a kid without a wii doesn't get our charity? My kids were 
confused by this.  So was I.

What do you think?

  



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread rkgsx
This would only benefit owners in a handful of states like NJ, NY  
CA.

Most people could save more money by just dropping HBO from their 
cable...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --but those borrowers are still faced with payments on a home they
 might of over paid for or were weak getting into, high credit card
 rates to buy the car to go with the house, the furnishings and 
clothes.
 
 If the feds want to really help, they would cut everyone's property
 taxes in HALF for 5 years. that would return $300 to $700 month in a
 homeowner's pocket...so it could be pissed away somewhere else. 
(skip
 the rich and limit the credit).
 
 If you go to save it and aren't careful, it will get sucked out of
 your retirement fund or other investment.
 
 
 And guess where that tax savings would come from - that school tax.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Euro keeps NYC real estate prices up - how do we get Eur...

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
---how to get euros?

Marketing. 

Many Europeans may be familiar with the name Springsteen.

Back to marketing, feel free to send me over with a couple brochures. 
Actaully, let's start in Australia since it's their summer season. 
then send me off to the some of the most exclusive resorts so I can 
mingle around the bar and go fishing, skiing, play some tennis etc 
and I'll talk all about AP.

Set up a invest in /buy in section of the city website in Japanese, 
Italian, Spanish, French, Portugese, Russian, Chineese etc etc. 
Figure out WHOSE money you want here...

Then again, there's nothing wrong with good old fashioned American 
money, families and tourists. Keep up the momentum that there is no 
and see that the current developers continue to build, sell and 
develop again what they started. The small folks have filled in the 
mean time which is and was the key to the big picture. Fill up those 
condos, and AP will evolve to some form of it's current state and 
past.

Then end the politcally bullshit / infighting over the next 5 or 10 
years that so many people see.

There's enough creative energy in AP to move ahead.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf

 
 What do you think?


Does a poor kid deserve a Wii.

It depends on the real situation or how they were classified. Does the 
kid deserve a pair of sneakers instead? Underwear? Are they in a 
welfare motel and this is the kids fantasy? Was that request put on 
there by a social worker thinking of gifts? 

Maybe all the kid wants is a mitt and uniform to play baseball. Maybe 
he should ask for a field to play it on?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
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 This would only benefit owners in a handful of states like NJ, NY  
 CA.
 
 Most people could save more money by just dropping HBO from their 
 cable...
 


Drop cable, cellphones, ringtones, texting. Lower their heat, cut AC, 
don't smoke, drink, buy fancy water, get coffee out, use premium gas, 
eat less, don't use a dryer, don't eat out, don't say yes to everything 
the kid wants, don't buy $200 jeans or shoes or eat $14 hamburgers.



 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread Allan Peterson
You can't forget that the problems in the housing market are not limited to 
credit/mortgages.  There is also an invertory problem.  Too much.  


- Original Message 
From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 12:59:10 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference 
of Mayors

--but those borrowers are still faced with payments on a home they
might of over paid for or were weak getting into, high credit card
rates to buy the car to go with the house, the furnishings and clothes.

If the feds want to really help, they would cut everyone's property
taxes in HALF for 5 years. that would return $300 to $700 month in a
homeowner's pocket...so it could be pissed away somewhere else. (skip
the rich and limit the credit).

If you go to save it and aren't careful, it will get sucked out of
your retirement fund or other investment.

And guess where that tax savings would come from - that school tax.





  

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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread justifiedright
All great points.  It's why giving at this time of year can be so 
tricky. 

The Charitable Industrial Complex can't always be trusted to be 
honest about the need.

In the end you by the kid the game and hope for the best.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  What do you think?
 
 
 Does a poor kid deserve a Wii.
 
 It depends on the real situation or how they were classified. Does 
the 
 kid deserve a pair of sneakers instead? Underwear? Are they in a 
 welfare motel and this is the kids fantasy? Was that request put 
on 
 there by a social worker thinking of gifts? 
 
 Maybe all the kid wants is a mitt and uniform to play baseball. 
Maybe 
 he should ask for a field to play it on?





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread Paul Vail
Re: Tax cuts.

It is the city, county and state that tax property.  Jersey voters 
consistently re-elect the same people over and over and over again.  
We are clearly very happy with the status quo.




 
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[AsburyPark] BUCKS Schleping for Wii End Toys

2007-12-03 Thread Mario
In a message dated 12/3/2007 2:23:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The first tag we pulled - a request for
a certain wii game. This started a discussion amongst our family. We
don't have a wii
console, because it is $250.00 and I told my kids I'm not spending that
much money on a toy (even though they really want one).

What do you think? I say back to stick ball, tinker toys, and
Etch-a-Sketch. Steven
Weber is a bit more of a curmudgeon today.  A snippet:   That's why, I'm
not proud to say at the start of another Christmas season, things suck
the way they do because reality has to be approximated, because Wii is
the rage instead of actually doing whatever the simulation is based on.
We've become ever more used to the bland, the general, the mediocre. 
Our senses are dulled and so is our judgment.   CNN and FOX are retarded
brutes compared to, say, the BBC World News, which has a far more
catholic response to the expectations of its audience. But back in
America, mass mediocrity has become the adhesive that binds its
citizenry who are no longer incentivized to want better education, to be
more vigilant about food and product safety, to expect responsible civil
service and to dare hope for accountable leaders. That stuff is so
Greatest Generation. What is sexy is the low hanging fruit of low
expectations and lower standards. No longer is this nation the agrarian
Jeffersonian society whose survival depends on the wisdom of its
inhabitants but rather the shambling pleasure-seeking Brotherhood of the
Uninspired Consuming Knucklehead (or BUCKS for short. I know, I
know...).  Steven Weber: The Journey of a Thousand Miles Begins With One
Schlepp - Politics on The Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/the-journey-of-a-thousand_b_\
75017.html   


[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 All great points.  It's why giving at this time of year can be so 
 tricky. 


right. Does my daughter need a new snowoard that she just called me 
for...i'm working to 7:00 so that's another $50, then i'm working 
all week...so can u take me after work...we're going snowboarding 
this weekend and my other board

Hanukkah and Christmas

I remember my grandmother giving me about $25 when I was around 10 
and I bought a label maker from Sears in Neptune and joe nammath 
jersey.

As for the Food Bank, the kids used to have to got here on a class 
trip when it was a garage in Springlake (i think), then they built 
the big one in Neptune. At first sight, I was annoyed that it was 
built so fancy and big. Granted, I haven't been there to see what 
they do in this facility, but I'll give it at the checkout. 



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
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 What do you think?


Buy your kids a wii you stingy bastard and then invite me over so I
can play with it.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread justifiedright
LOL!

We'll see what Santa Claus can do.


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 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  
  What do you think?
 
 
 Buy your kids a wii you stingy bastard and then invite me over so I
 can play with it.





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread denise
Anybody know where I can find one


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Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

LOL!

We'll see what Santa Claus can do.

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 justifiedright@  wrote:
 
  
  What do you think?
 
 
 Buy your kids a wii you stingy bastard and then invite me over so I
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
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 LOL!
 
 We'll see what Santa Claus can do.

Don't go out in the back yard and shoot off a shotgun and then come in
tell me he committed suicide.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
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 as stupid as the Wii looks, my kids friend had it over - I bowled 5
 games and my elbow was sore as hell by 1 am.  Just as if I went real
 bowling. 
 
 Maybe have your kids volunteer somewhere for the holidays.
 
 I've said it before - poor means different things to different
 people. Ask around.
 
 It all depends on what you've been exposed to and believe or think you
 or your kid must have at Christmas.


God knows I have endulged my children. I have tried to draw the limit.
Whatever I have or will bought, I try to make sure they know that it
is not automatic. It is not something I owe them but rather something
they have earned. And since they both are good persons, do/did well in
school, never got in trouble, respect others and are kind, I think I
(really my wife) pulled it off.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
as stupid as the Wii looks, my kids friend had it over - I bowled 5
games and my elbow was sore as hell by 1 am.  Just as if I went real
bowling. 

Maybe have your kids volunteer somewhere for the holidays.

I've said it before - poor means different things to different
people. Ask around.

It all depends on what you've been exposed to and believe or think you
or your kid must have at Christmas.





 
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[AsburyPark] Fishman in AP

2007-12-03 Thread justifiedright
Over the years, we've had several debates about how Fishman got the 
Redevelopment rights and whether the got a sweetheart deal, an 
inside deal, etc.

I've always taken the postion that not only did he not get any 
special deal, but anyone could have walked into the bankruptcy court 
and offered more than the $13 million Fishman did and walked away 
with the rights.

I based that on the bankruptcy trustee having one goal in mind - to 
raise as much money for creditors as he can.  He would have taken 
any bigger deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered.

I say some support for my assertion in the press today.  Read below:




Bidder on Dwek property out $50G

Among the bulging ranks of bankers, investors and others who lost 
money in Solomon Dwek's property empire collapse, few compare to 
John Bardis.

Bardis, the owner of the Golden Bell Diner on Route 9 in Freehold 
Township, didn't know Solomon Dwek from King Solomon. But Dwek's 
tangle of litigation and bankruptcy has cost Bardis more than 
$50,000 and left him with one big lesson learned: Bidder beware.

The justice is dead, justice is sick, the stocky 56-year-old Greek 
native said last week. I spent money, a lot of time and money.

Bardis hadn't heard of Dwek until May 2006 when a state court judge 
took control some 350 properties owed by Dwek after PNC Bank accused 
him of bouncing a $25 million check.

Construction workers walked away from a half-dozen unfinished Dwek 
building sites, FBI agents charged Dwek with bank fraud and a state 
court judge took the first steps toward selling off Dwek's assets to 
pay $350 million in claims of debt and fraud.

Stalled in mid-construction was a two-story 7,300-square-foot retail 
building on Main Street in Farmingdale. It was only a shell of a 
building with a plywood roof and a finished brick facing. But it had 
ample parking and a house on the property. Bardis would drive by it 
during his commutes to the diner, and he took a liking to it.

When he read in the Asbury Park Press the judge was going to sell 
Dwek's holdings, Bardis moved. He arranged for a loan, offered $1.3 
million for the property, borrowed the money for a 10 percent 
deposit, and on the appointed day last December, showed up to bid in 
court.

He almost didn't get it.

Going once, going twice, gone, Superior Court Judge Alexander D. 
Lehrer intoned after Bardis let another man outbid him for $1.45 
million.

Bardis had immediate loser's remorse. He gingerly raised an index 
finger, and that small motion caught the judge's eye.

Not gone, Lehrer enthused.

Bardis bid another $15,000 and won both the auction and a court 
order to buy the 
property for $165,000 more than his initial offer. Lehrer told 
Bardis congratulations, and asked if he would be able to stop at the 
building to buy coffee. The closing date on the Bell Plaza was set 
for February.

But days before that date, the building was not gone again.

On Feb. 9, PNC Bank and two other creditors forced Dwek into an 
involuntary federal bankruptcy. The were frustrated with both the 
pace of the sales in Lehrer's courtroom and their chances of getting 
their money back under state law.

The move stopped the sale of the Farmingdale property and 11 others 
ordered sold by Lehrer, but which hadn't closed. It also opened up 
the possibility that someone else could buy the Farmingdale property 
at a higher price from the bankruptcy court.

Even so, Bardis said he believed he would get it. When the 
bankruptcy trustee twice asked him to pay to put up fencing around 
the trash-strewn lot that had become a hangout for local teenage 
skateboarders, he said he did, at an expense of about $3,400. Bardis 
said he felt the request showed Dwek's court-appointed bankruptcy 
trustee, Charles A. Stanziale Jr., was treating him as the owner.

Finally, the bankruptcy court scheduled a hearing on the sale for 
last Tuesday, and it invited any higher and better offers on the 
property. Then, the day before Thanksgiving, Bardis learned another 
bidder was interested.

At court in Trenton Nov. 27, an unhappy Bardis watched as his lawyer 
and nephew, 
Constantine Bardis, battle for the property again, this time against 
Hall Construction Co. of Farmingdale.

Within seconds, and in $10,000 increments, Hall bid the property to 
$1.585 million, out of Bardis' range.

It went up $120,000, Stanziale noted after the hearing. It's his 
job to get the most possible money at from Dwek's assets and to 
return it to Dwek's creditors.

The sale also makes it likely that the property, now an abandoned 
eyesore on 
Farmingdale's Main Street, will be open for business. Mark D. Hall, 
president of Hall Construction, could not be reached for comment.

We're so glad that someone will take it and finish the project, 
said Ken Wester, the co-owner of Woody's Roadside Tavern, which is 
across the street from the property.

But it won't be John Bardis, who lost a-year-and-a-half of effort 
and more than 
$50,000. That 

[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-03 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Over the years, we've had several debates about how Fishman got the 
 Redevelopment rights and whether the got a sweetheart deal, an 
 inside deal, etc.
 
 I've always taken the postion that not only did he not get any 
 special deal, but anyone could have walked into the bankruptcy court 
 and offered more than the $13 million Fishman did and walked away 
 with the rights.
 
 I based that on the bankruptcy trustee having one goal in mind - to 
 raise as much money for creditors as he can.  He would have taken 
 any bigger deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered.
 
 I say some support for my assertion in the press today.  Read below:
 


Don;t scratch an old wound. We've moved on. Even those who approved
the deal wish Partners would dissappear. It gets us no where to
continue being Sunday morning quarterbacks. Whether it was corrupt,
legit, the best that they could do, or a smart deal, Fishman and
Partners screwed the city and the city finds it hard to get from out
under the deal. The only issue of the past that i would bring up is if
its continued today and that for me is to continue taking advice from
Aaron. He either knew or should have known. I won't rehash the fact
that he allowed the city to sign something that held all schedules in
abeyance if there was litigation pending against the WRP. You will
recall that he allowed the city to sign that when there was in fact
litigation pending. It was a no go from the start.

I am not going to crucify people anymore for what happened - I want
forward movement, but don't try to make it right.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-03 Thread justifiedright
My post was about me not them.  Just wanted to make the point to 
certain folks that I knew what I was talking about when I said a 
bankruptcy trustee's job is to maximize the income, so anyone could 
have walked in and bid more, whether the City liked it or not.  

You're right about not returning to the rest of the stuff and moving 
on.

I gave Gary Mattola a big Christmas hug when I saw the inside of 
Convention Hall.







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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Over the years, we've had several debates about how Fishman got 
the 
  Redevelopment rights and whether the got a sweetheart deal, an 
  inside deal, etc.
  
  I've always taken the postion that not only did he not get any 
  special deal, but anyone could have walked into the bankruptcy 
court 
  and offered more than the $13 million Fishman did and walked 
away 
  with the rights.
  
  I based that on the bankruptcy trustee having one goal in mind - 
to 
  raise as much money for creditors as he can.  He would have 
taken 
  any bigger deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered.
  
  I say some support for my assertion in the press today.  Read 
below:
  
 
 
 Don;t scratch an old wound. We've moved on. Even those who approved
 the deal wish Partners would dissappear. It gets us no where to
 continue being Sunday morning quarterbacks. Whether it was corrupt,
 legit, the best that they could do, or a smart deal, Fishman and
 Partners screwed the city and the city finds it hard to get from 
out
 under the deal. The only issue of the past that i would bring up 
is if
 its continued today and that for me is to continue taking advice 
from
 Aaron. He either knew or should have known. I won't rehash the fact
 that he allowed the city to sign something that held all schedules 
in
 abeyance if there was litigation pending against the WRP. You will
 recall that he allowed the city to sign that when there was in fact
 litigation pending. It was a no go from the start.
 
 I am not going to crucify people anymore for what happened - I want
 forward movement, but don't try to make it right.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Signs of Recovery. A work in Progress. But you can see the Future.

2007-12-03 Thread 2fine4u
Mario,
Great piece!  Enjoyed reading every word!  Really great signs of hope.
 I wish the same for our lovely little community.  The secret, is
getting past all of the politics and the egos.
S.

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 Our beachfront makes us different. But in everything else about the
 redevelopment story below and others I've read, the process seems
 similar:
 
 Revitalization, Restaurants, Renovations, Race  Rock and Roll; Clubs,
 Condos  a Center for the performing arts; Trader Joe's, Tripling
 values, Transitional neighborhoods  Trolleys; Boutiques, office
 Buildings,  vacant Buildings; Sidewalks, Streetlights, Shoppers 
 Safety.
 
 A work in process. But you can see the future.
 




 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Excuse my doting....

2007-12-03 Thread Mike Hemeon
I have kids and grand children for your info.

2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yeah,
You should learn!

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 Doting is what parents and grand-parents are supposed to do. It's
part of the job description.
 
 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In
AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  If you catch Scrooge tonight and through the weekend at the
Paramount, 
  watch for Kathy Crachit being played by a little lady who is fast 
  becoming my hero in music :-)
  
  My daughter Annalisa wants to make a career on stage. Unlike her Dad, 
  people like her! (she inherited her Mom's sweet side). Hope you all 
  get a chance to meet her.
  
  I'm very happy Premeire Theater is back in AP where it belongs. God 
  Bless Gary Mattola. 
  
  I'll be there tonight. Hope to see you folks there.
 
 Wishing her and you, all the best! Congratulations!
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Programs to Pinpoint Problems in Schools

2007-12-03 Thread Mario
Program to Pinpoint Problems in Paterson Schools, December 2, 2007  --
fromStatistics Pinpoint Problems in Paterson Schools - New York
Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/nyregion/02stat.html?_r=1oref=slogin\
pagewanted=all
Excuses are not an option.
A dramatic shake-up of a school culture.
Moving from a culture that rewards relationships to one that rewards
results.
In Paterson district officials rolled out SchoolStat last spring to help
turn around a school system that has been under state control since 1991
because of fiscal mismanagement and poor academics. The district's
27,222 students are among the poorest in the state.
Relentless follow-up.
Two years ago, it took more than three months to repair a chair in the
school auditorium that he had reported as broken — so long, in fact,
that a woman tried to sit on it during a parents' meeting with the
superintendent and fell to the ground.
But this fall, Mr. Hoff reported a broken gym door, and it was fixed the
next day.   Pros  Cons at link above.


[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread Mario

In a message dated 12/3/2007 2:32:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Drop cable, cellphones, ringtones, texting. Lower their heat, cut AC,
don't smoke, drink, buy fancy water, get coffee out, use premium gas,
eat less, don't use a dryer, don't eat out, don't say yes to everything
the kid wants, don't buy $200 jeans or shoes or eat $14 hamburgers.

Oak's comments echoed in Mortgage Relief Impact May Be
Limited:  adapted excerpts from  http://tinyurl.com/2dwk2g
http://tinyurl.com/2dwk2g  12/2

You're spending $60 a month on cable TV; can you get by with
less? You're spending $200 a month on food for two people, but food
costs in your area show that you should be able to get by with $100 a
month. These are the kinds of conversations that loan-servicing
companies have to have with borrowers.

The risk is that you could be modifying loans for people who don't
need it, said Sharon Greenberg, director of mortgage strategy at
Barclay's. There's only so much you can do without talking
to the borrower.

To decide whether a person qualifies for an extension of the teaser
rate, a mortgage lender or a loan-servicing company would have to
analyze the person's monthly income and expenses to determine
whether he or she could realistically make the higher payments.

Industry analysts and executives estimate that payments on many subprime
mortgages are set to jump 30 percent or more and were skeptical about
the government's ability to produce a high-speed approach to
handling thousands of cases with a few simple principles.



[AsburyPark] Re: The Mortgage Crisis Report to the U.S. Conference of Mayors

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
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 Oak's comments echoed in Mortgage Relief Impact May Be
 Limited:  adapted excerpts from  http://tinyurl.com/2dwk2g


That's because it's really relief for the banker's that gave those
loans and their bail out. 

We all should be able to enjoy early retirement with $100 million plus
severance packages for playing golf while the ship sank. Executive
compensation is a joke. Wait, was this the AP BOE... no - the banking
crisis. 

No crime for bad business - just government relief for stealing.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
 deal than Fishman offered, but no one offered.
 
 I say some support for my assertion in the press today.  Read below:
 


Two completely different scenarios.

Except that the Dwek fisaco and the AP deal are two great case studies
for a law class.

The first deal sold in the Dwek case since November was the former
Cranes Fire building  on Rt 35 in Neptune was my deal. It went for
$380k. One of best commercial deals.

The Farmingdale case should of closed prior to the bankruptcy, but
didn't. I was in court the day that deal originally was auctioned off
by Lehrer. 

Tommy, forget the board of Ed. Become an attorney for the trustee or
action in Bankruptcy. You can go online in the bankruptcy system and
see how much the new set of professionals are taking in. I think the
new trustee is up to about $3 MILLION.

The Dwek case is a big piggy bank for the attorneys. 

Amazing how they can screw the brokers.

We all know that MOST people couldn't get involved in AP at that
period in time. There were way, way to many clouds and no one wanted
to play the AP game.

Larry and deserve credit for being able to pull it off and then
benefit on the rest of the little guys coming in to do their thing.
And Madison Marquette for the past year to make all seem rosy.





 
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[AsburyPark] One more school thought

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
I had to go visit someone at Monmouth med tonight. 

My kids and I went past Long Branch Middle and HighSchool complex -
needless to say, my kids go off - what the f (not me)look at this
s...  ...and we can't even get a book

Told them to read about Abbott and then call the Gov. or move to Long
Branch.








 
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[AsburyPark] Giving and Charter Schools

2007-12-03 Thread oakdorf
Did anyone catch an Oprah show (It was on on the room) about 2 weeks
ago with Clinton (bill) and Andre Agassi? 

The show was on Clinton's book Giving and featured Andre Agassi and
his charter school in Los Vegas. 

While the Charter School was praised by Andre and Oprah and looks real
modern with a bridge between buildings etc etc. there's more to it
then  the building, the money and the ideas - it's commitment.

Some kids do great, others have problems. Curious as I was, I looked
up the school on the Internet. The school as it turns out has problems
with teacher turnover, admin policies and more. But - it is an
alternative for education. What I did catch Agassi say is that in this
school - the cost PER KID is $5700 (I believe that was the number) to
educate.

http://www.agassiprep.org/about.html

You know what I say - pack it up.






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fishman in AP

2007-12-03 Thread charlie
Who is Gary Mattola?  I've heard his name mentioned twice in the last few posts.

   
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