[AsburyPark] Sound Recordings of the AP Council
Eureka, it's finally happened!!! I've posted those first Mp3s of Asbury Park's council meeting (July 2). The audio on the activities file gets a little better further into the file, but I'm really too far away for good pickup. I'll sit closer to the front next time. The public session recording is very sharp. The beeping you hear isn't my recorder. It's the clerk's timer, signaling that the speaker's 3 minutes of public comment are up. Speakers get one time at the mic for the whole meeting, unless there is an ordinance open for discussion. My goal is to record more parts of the meetings. I think this will give those who can't attend meetings themselves a better idea of what goes on at council meetings, without a reporter's filter. Also, these reports will go up shortly after the meeting ends. The other advantage is that you'll be able to blog your comments right on the same page at AsburyRadio.com. So please check it out and let me know what you think. For those who'd prefer video, yes, so would I. But the bandwidth requirement for your viewing would be far greater. If someone knows of a compression technique, please let me know and we can look into it. I don't own a video camera, but do have a digital camera that takes video. All best, Maureen - Asbury Radio - The Radio Voice of Asbury Park Maybe that should be the audio voice... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
I'll second that, it looked to me what Ive heard about in the media did not get done. I thought Asbury was rebuilt over the last years. Looks like a long wasy to go. You are so right about guality, Ive been to many places and the best show attention to detail and good presentation. I hate to say it [since i did have a good time] but things look cheap and disorganized along with being unfinished. Someone asked for an example when i mentioned the mismatched buildings, just look at the one next to the convention center. Imagine taking the US capital, or any classy building, and painting it 3 differnt colors. Orange on the left, cream in the middle and yellow on the right doesnt say quality to me. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one would like a healthy mix of residential, retail and entertaiment by the boardwalkI fear that if the boardwalk becomes almost exclusively a tourist destination it will not be as enjoyable for those of us who live here or spend a bunch of time here. In my opinion a boardwalk and businesses that would end up being way over crowded would be less desirable to take advatage of. A balance of being able to support a thriving boardwalk and city with and well thought out entertainment options / festivals / events would be great.I would take quality over quantity. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Actions speak louder than words
I thought I read somewhere that MM wanted to rehab and adopt out the BW cats. That's all well and good and a very caring effort for the kittens and strays. But for the many ferals who not be able to be rehabbed, we need to have a town catch then spay/neuter and release program so they do not make any more cats. I spoke with animal control about the cats on my property, but now there is no more animal control. On that note, there are three cats who live on my property, one feral, two strays. The strays will come to me for affection, they purr and I call them Puss (tabby) and Boots (small black). They pal around together and were probably owned and then abandonned together. I have a parrot and a dog (rescued), so I can't take them. Don't even know if they would go inside at this point any way. But if anyone is interested in them, or if there is someone I can call for a catch/release program, let me know. There are cats all over the place, not just on the bw. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Peace At Home
Local non profit fundraiser - Peace Symbols - made from recycled cedar, perfect for planting in your garden (comes with attachable stake) or hanging on your wall. Painted in bold colors, earth tones, natural, or the ever popular tie-die. Certificate of contribution with purchase. Limited availability at Under The Sun in The Arcade.
[AsburyPark] Re: Sound Recordings of the AP Council
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please check it out and let me know what you think. An excellent idea whose time came long ago. Good to see this happening. As you acknowledged, the sound is a bit fuzzy in some spots, particularly the official responses during the public comment period. Is there a soundboard for the mics on both the public comment lecturn and the council desk that you can plug into? If not, maybe some audiophiles in town have a boom mic they can loan you. It's unfortunate that you have to do this yourself when council meetings in many other towns are broadcast on the local public access channel. But good for you for taking the initiative. This will definitely help shed some light on the operations of city government. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] NYT
July 13, 2008 In the Region | New Jersey Deferred Hopes and Stalled Projects By ANTOINETTE MARTIN WHEN word came last December that work had stopped at the Esperanza, the centerpiece of Asbury Park's long-awaited beachside redevelopment, even the project's name hope in Spanish seemed to mock the city's aspirations. I know a lot of people were very much stunned, and upset, said Dean Geibel, the principal of Metro Homes, the developer of the double-tower condominium, for which only the foundation has been completed. The Esperanza was starting to rise on the site of a previous failure, where a steel skeleton had stood for two decades, menacing prospects for revitalization. And we were sort of the first big project in New Jersey to take a hit when the financial market turned sour, Mr. Geibel said. Since then, destructive market forces have slowed progress on other large projects around the state. Work has sputtered to a stop at two of them the $1.5 billion Centuria development at the foot of the George Washington Bridge in Fort Lee, and the $66 million Town Center development in Somerville before foundations have even been laid. These large projects are facing trouble, said Andrew J. Merin, a broker who is currently marketing the rights to build Centuria, because financing is almost impossible today. Mr. Merin, a vice chairman of Cushman Wakefield who is based in East Rutherford, said banks had all but ceased making construction loans for projects costing more than $50 million. And investors are holding back, looking for the rich returns that mixed-use real estate projects do not currently guarantee. Mr. Merin said a number of developers were bidding to develop some portion of Centuria. But Fort Lee officials have their hearts set on a redevelopment plan that requires one master developer to produce about 500 rental apartments, more than 150,000 square feet of retail space, an office building and a hotel. The current developer, the Town and Country Corporation of Manhattan, bought the 16-acre Centuria site from the Helmsley Organization in 2003, and then laid out millions of dollars to clean up contaminated soil, Mr. Merin said. By the time the site preparation was finished, the financing situation had turned grim. Also in 2003, Edgewood Properties bought its Somerville project site, a run-down strip mall that was to be demolished. The project, which envisions 272 apartments, retail shops and office space, became mired in delays because of a lawsuit brought by the Pathmark grocery chain, which operated a store in the strip mall. Now, the project is on hold, until the market improves, according to the developer and city officials. Meanwhile, in Asbury Park, Mr. Geibel is working feverishly on a scaled-down plan and on securing reduced financing with the goal of beginning work afresh by the end of the year. This summer, city redevelopment officials worked out a new agreement with the builder, acknowledging that a redesign of Esperanza would take into account current economic and market realities, and is likely to involve fewer amenities, smaller units and a shorter structure. Last week, Mr. Geibel said the condo towers were likely to be 12 or 13 stories high, rather than 10 and 16 stories as originally planned. We have been spending a lot of time lately with professionals on the cutting edge of the construction industry, and learning everything possible about the most cost-efficient ways to build, he said. This is still going to be a beautiful building with extravagant amenities, he said, but we'll be more sensible about the way we construct it. Limiting the building's height, for example, permits use of a new panelized material that is a far less expensive alternative to poured concrete flooring, Mr. Geibel said. Redesigning balconies to be recessed, rather than extending out, also reduces construction costs, because work scaffolding can be erected all at once, flat across an exterior wall. The new structure will rise on the existing foundation, Mr. Geibel said, but it will have a new layout with smaller one-, two- and three-bedroom units and fewer design configurations. Previously, we had 84 different designs, which might have been rather excessive, he said, but we were trying to offer everything, for everybody. Now, the project architect, Dean Marchetto of Hoboken, is creating far fewer, in an array to be repeated on every floor. And he is working with fresh data profiling the most likely buyers, compiled for Metro Homes by the New Jersey market analyst Jeffrey Otteau, rather than just reaching for the stars in terms of features, Mr. Geibel explained. He added that he was negotiating with CapitalOne, the original lender for the project, hoping to recapitalize it with a smaller loan. In addition, the national real estate company Madison Marquette, which is leading the rebuilding of Asbury Park's boardwalk, retail and theater space and which recently bought out the Kushner
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
Someone asked for an example when i mentioned the mismatched buildings, just look at the one next to the convention center. Imagine taking the US capital, or any classy building, and painting it 3 differnt colors. Orange on the left, cream in the middle and yellow on the right doesnt say quality to me. Colors have nothing to do with quality! Not sure why you're bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) The stucco used could have been done the cheap with, foam board covered in a skim coat. That is how most stucco jobs are done today. However, the boardwalk buildings were done the right way with multi steps and real metal mesh. You speak about the 5th ave pavilion, the one next to CH (Convention Hall). How is it out of place of mismatched? How does the current building, before it was remodeled fit in with the CH? Classical stylings next to space age modern? The only thing matching were the orange bricks and orange details of the HOJO. The 5th ave pavilion is not the state capital or a classy building. If you were to paint 2 walls of the CH different colors, that would be maddness. However, the building you speak of was always corky (again, before the remodel). Back when it was first built it was space age modern, jetsons, i'm pretty sure it was ahead of it's time back then. Imagine what people might have said about it when it went up? Something that crazy being sat next to CH?? I'm sure there must have been quite the uproar. I don't think the things being done so far are cheap, but confused may be a better way to define it. Things are not done, nothing is completed, yet things are trying to open. They are way behind on the dates they gave, it's a fact! But instead of complaining about it (not you), I say let them work and try to get things done. Of course I think the city should come up with some sort of an agreement with MM to get some things for the boardwalk that the city wants also. Maybe more boardwalk type food, or other traditional boardwalk features.
[AsburyPark] HARRISON: KETEL ONE AFTER DARK SATURDAY NIGHTS
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Re: [AsburyPark] NYT
Sounds like their plan was doomed from the start. 84 designs, reaching for the stars for the buyer demo, costly marketing , plus the high price to pay partners. Not sure how they will do it, they have a ton of costs to make up and they can't build it too cheap. Time will tell - Original Message From: dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 1:43:01 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] NYT July 13, 2008 In the Region | New Jersey Deferred Hopes and Stalled Projects By ANTOINETTE MARTIN WHEN word came last December that work had stopped at the Esperanza, the centerpiece of Asbury Park's long-awaited beachside redevelopment, even the project's name — hope in Spanish — seemed to mock the city's aspirations. I know a lot of people were very much stunned, and upset, said Dean Geibel, the principal of Metro Homes, the developer of the double-tower condominium, for which only the foundation has been completed. The Esperanza was starting to rise on the site of a previous failure, where a steel skeleton had stood for two decades, menacing prospects for revitalization. And we were sort of the first big project in New Jersey to take a hit when the financial market turned sour, Mr. Geibel said. Since then, destructive market forces have slowed progress on other large projects around the state. Work has sputtered to a stop at two of them — the $1.5 billion Centuria development at the foot of the George Washington Bridge in Fort Lee, and the $66 million Town Center development in Somerville — before foundations have even been laid. These large projects are facing trouble, said Andrew J. Merin, a broker who is currently marketing the rights to build Centuria, because financing is almost impossible today. Mr. Merin, a vice chairman of Cushman Wakefield who is based in East Rutherford, said banks had all but ceased making construction loans for projects costing more than $50 million. And investors are holding back, looking for the rich returns that mixed-use real estate projects do not currently guarantee. Mr. Merin said a number of developers were bidding to develop some portion of Centuria. But Fort Lee officials have their hearts set on a redevelopment plan that requires one master developer to produce about 500 rental apartments, more than 150,000 square feet of retail space, an office building and a hotel. The current developer, the Town and Country Corporation of Manhattan, bought the 16-acre Centuria site from the Helmsley Organization in 2003, and then laid out millions of dollars to clean up contaminated soil, Mr. Merin said. By the time the site preparation was finished, the financing situation had turned grim. Also in 2003, Edgewood Properties bought its Somerville project site, a run-down strip mall that was to be demolished. The project, which envisions 272 apartments, retail shops and office space, became mired in delays because of a lawsuit brought by the Pathmark grocery chain, which operated a store in the strip mall. Now, the project is on hold, until the market improves, according to the developer and city officials. Meanwhile, in Asbury Park, Mr. Geibel is working feverishly on a scaled-down plan — and on securing reduced financing — with the goal of beginning work afresh by the end of the year. This summer, city redevelopment officials worked out a new agreement with the builder, acknowledging that a redesign of Esperanza would take into account current economic and market realities, and is likely to involve fewer amenities, smaller units and a shorter structure. Last week, Mr. Geibel said the condo towers were likely to be 12 or 13 stories high, rather than 10 and 16 stories as originally planned. We have been spending a lot of time lately with professionals on the cutting edge of the construction industry, and learning everything possible about the most cost-efficient ways to build, he said. This is still going to be a beautiful building with extravagant amenities, he said, but we'll be more sensible about the way we construct it. Limiting the building's height, for example, permits use of a new panelized material that is a far less expensive alternative to poured concrete flooring, Mr. Geibel said. Redesigning balconies to be recessed, rather than extending out, also reduces construction costs, because work scaffolding can be erected all at once, flat across an exterior wall. The new structure will rise on the existing foundation, Mr. Geibel said, but it will have a new layout with smaller one-, two- and three-bedroom units — and fewer design configurations. Previously, we had 84 different designs, which might have been rather excessive, he said, but we were trying to offer everything, for everybody. Now, the project architect, Dean Marchetto of Hoboken, is creating far fewer, in an array to be repeated on every floor. And he is working with fresh data profiling the most likely buyers, compiled for Metro Homes by the New Jersey
[AsburyPark] The Carousel House has Gates.
I just viewed a Flickr picture. There are gate doors on the carousel house of The Casino. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Colors have nothing to do with quality! I'd have to respectfully disagree, and you seem to acknowledge the importance of color yourself when you write: If you were to paint 2 walls of the CH different colors, that would be maddness. Not sure why you're bringing that up into the case you're trying to make! :-) This was the first impression of a newcomer, and since the town is trying rightfully to attract newcomers with a will to invest, it's a valid impression to share. You make some good points about the 5th AVE pavilion and it probably did seem a little crazy in 1961 (although the Rufus Nims roof design and orange and white color scheme had become ubiquitous across America by then), but it managed to grow on visitors and become an indelible part of the boardwalk experience. This probably says more about the vision of John Fridy than anything else. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hi - Questions
You make some good points about the 5th AVE pavilion and it probably did seem a little crazy in 1961 (although the Rufus Nims roof design and orange and white color scheme had become ubiquitous across America by then), but it managed to grow on visitors and become an indelible part of the boardwalk experience. This probably says more about the vision of John Fridy than anything else. BTW, sorry for any typos in my last post, it was rushed. Thanks. i liked the old 5th ave pavilion the way it was, but I also like the new design. But, also keep in mind the building is NOT done. Even when it is done, it's still not! The 2nd story is not being worked on for some time. I remember at a city meeting, MM even said when the 2nd story is worked on in the future, small elements of what has already been done may be modified to attach into whatever new stuff is created up top. It's fine if you don't like the style of the building, but trying to pass it of as a mismatched building next to CH is insane. The present of past 5th ave pavilion never matched. It just felt right because everyone knew it. It grew on you one might say. And i'm sure it took time for it to grow all those years ago. On a different topic all together, the inside arcade at CH is really shaping up. It's too bad we can't have those kinds of crowds on the boardwalk!!! I don't know if we will ever see that.. Unless more sociable places open on the boardwalk. People will only walk back and forth on the boardwalk so many times... The more there is to do, the more they will wonder around.
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT
I remember someone suggested it be named The Titania. I believe this was the title created and given by James A. Bradley himself for the winner of the annual pageant held at one time in Asbury Park. Princess of Titania was the winners title. I think The Titania was a great idea in that it had a historical connection to the city and its founder. As a side note I didn't like the MM websites use of Bradley in that way either. In addition, the fuse noise in the beginning almost gave me a heart attack. Mr. Geibel said the project would be given a new name its third. A contest among Asbury Park schoolchildren produced the name Esperanza. It was a great name, Mr. Geibel said, but this is going to be a different building, a building that will fit the market, and the times. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Sound Recordings of the AP Council
Thanks very much for the encouragement, Sandpiper. I hope to get better at it. The responses would be ok if the speakers up front were using the microphones, which they're really required to do by law. When people respond off mic the comments don't get picked up in the recorded minutes either. This is a constant request of audience members, since the table where the city manager sits has one and sometimes two mics, but getting people to use them is pulling teeth. Thanks for the suggestions! Maureen -- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: So please check it out and let me know what you think. An excellent idea whose time came long ago. Good to see this happening. As you acknowledged, the sound is a bit fuzzy in some spots, particularly the official responses during the public comment period. Is there a soundboard for the mics on both the public comment lecturn and the council desk that you can plug into? If not, maybe some audiophiles in town have a boom mic they can loan you. It's unfortunate that you have to do this yourself when council meetings in many other towns are broadcast on the local public access channel. But good for you for taking the initiative. This will definitely help shed some light on the operations of city government. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
