[AsburyPark] Even the porn industry wants a bailout

2009-01-09 Thread Michael W. Brim
Morning Report: Even the porn industry wants a bailout

By Don McKee 

INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Finally, in this era of unprecedented government bailouts, there is an
industry worthy of our tax dollars.

In a story that no sportswriter could invent, CNN last night reported that
another major American industry is asking for assistance as the global
financial crisis unfolds.

Hustler publisher Larry Flynt and Girls Gone Wild CEO Joe Francis said
yesterday they will request that Congress allocate $5 billion for a bailout
of the adult entertainment industry.

Things must be tough all over.

 

 

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Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550

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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Hot Gay Beach

2009-01-09 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 1/8/2009 8:55:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
anthonyg1...@optonline.net writes:

I will  try to explain from my point of view...If it is offensive to someone, 
Sorry,  
it is not meant to beAs for whether there is a Gay Beach - let's  call 
it sales puffery.
 
==
 
Thanks Anthony.   But no need to apologize to anyone.
 
None of the following are official names for beaches,
but all are useful for some people in choosing where to catch some rays, or  
cool water when they're hot:
 
Guido Beach, Bimbo Beach, Benny Beach, Bikini Beach, Gay Beach, Shka-dole  
Beach,
Nude Beach, Muscle Beach, Tar Beach, Surfer Beach, Fishing Beach, Urban  
Beach, et al.
 
And Asbury Park sure could use some of the tourist money these (gay) beach  
towns get:  http://tinyurl.com/84kqwm

 
Beach Quotes,  Where the Boys Are (1960) - Memorable  quotes   
http://tinyurl.com/89c4pm
 

Police Captain: Gentlemen, the  city of Fort Lauderdale is once again under 
fire from the north. We've survived  it before and I reckon we're gonna survive 
it againExpect anything. Anything  and everything cause that's what 
you're gonna get. Now, Fort Lauderdale is not  the only city to be invaded at 
this 
timethe students of America are  gathering to celebrate the rites of 
springThey're citizens of our  countryBut how the hell to handle them, 
that's a different mannerAnd  remember that they are our guestsAnd, 
above 
all preserve your sense of  humor. Cause you're gonna need it if you want to 
survive
 
[over police radio] Car 19... Student in pajamas  directing trafficCar 9: 
Student swimming in the nude at Silver BeachCar  7: Go to Paradise Hotel. 
A live hammerhead shark has been placed in the pool.  


Ryder Smith: Sophistication isn't a  matter of where you come from or even 
what your family does. It's the way you -  the way you think, your outlook on 
life, what you've experienced. 


Dean Caldwell: Dr. Raunch tells me, when  I spoke to her on the phone, she 
suggested that you might be overly concerned  with the problem of sex. Do you 
think you are...? 
 
=
 
Mr. Russell Lawrence: That's a  man-hunter? 

Moondoggie: Don't you find  Kahuna to be a little on the lazy side? 

Gidget: Oh boy, the bigger they are  the dopier they come. 


 
Announcer: [over the bus's Public Address system]  Attention to our 
gay...riders. This is the final stop in West Lahunga Beach. The  next stop is 
regular 
Lahunga Beach. Depart now or stifle your  creativity.   FIY
 
===
 
Moondoggie, Gidget, Frankie, Annette, Connie:  All Gone with the  Wind.
 
So let's all dance the Swim:   http://tinyurl.com/8xblua
   
http://www.sixtiescity.com/Culture/Images/DAN011.jpg
 
 
;-)
 
 
 

 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Lost 3 Businesses

2009-01-09 Thread Jennifer
I stopped by Wish You Were Here the week before Christmas to get my son 
stocking stuffers.  He loves their candy counter especially the candy 
cigarettes.  Cathy has a sign on the counter that the store is for 
sale.  I think is so sad.  She's been there for a long time and she is 
always open.  Not every store on Cookman can share that fact.  I don't 
work downtown anymore or I'd go there more.  The only way to keep 
businesses open is to visit them.  Wish You Were Here isn't expensive.  
They have really unique items and they sell retro candy (the 
aforementioned cigs, Clark's teaberry gum, pop rocks, fun dip, mary 
janes, etc.).  

I remember when Cookman was so dead that I expected to see tumbleweeds 
blowing down the street.  It could happen again.  Anything can happen 
again.  

Jennifer




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[AsburyPark] Re: Hot Gay Beach

2009-01-09 Thread Jennifer
Several years ago, a reporter came to Asbury Park.  He approached a man 
(I am 99% certain that it was Rich Gore) and asked him where the gay 
beach was.  Rich replied, wherever I put my chair. 






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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote:

 ---most american males don't look that great in speedos

straights






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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  ---most american males don't look that great in speedos
 
 straights


Maybe we need the speedo straight challenge.

You have to be over 35 and married.

I see a tv show here.

Get your picture taken now in your speedo.

July 4, you get on stage on the beach -  best improved - wins drinks at 
paradise

to make the show interesting - you get assigned a gay trainer to get 
you in shape and pick out your new clothes.

Acai berry. We picked up a bottle of this miracle berry concentrate.

Cheaper then a couple drinks. Take a shot every morning.

That, coffee and small turkey sand for lunch, salad for dinner and 
walking the dog 2 miles, ice cream - down 5 lbs in one week.










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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote:

 
 Maybe we need the speedo straight challenge.
 
 You have to be over 35 and married.
 
 I see a tv show here.
 
 Get your picture taken now in your speedo.
 
 July 4, you get on stage on the beach -  best improved - wins drinks at 
 paradise

A mix of The Biggest Loser and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy AP
style. Very interesting. Finals are at RT not July 4. Think of a
catchy name.




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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread sharon_b283
Most therapists HAVE a therapists themselves!  Read the book, August.
 It is hilarious and sad about what happens when therapists leave NYC
for thier month long vacation in the month of, you guessed it, August!
 The AP library should have a copy.  Don't know if it's still in
print.  It's quite thick, but you can't put it down once you start
reading it.  A sort of Catcher in The Rye, type book!  The therapist
in the Sopranos had a therapist too!  

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakd...@... wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ 
 wrote:
  She was claiming that cases of homosexuality have been cured 
 through therapy. 
 
 How many?
 
 then so should being straight, gay, boring or married or single be a 
 diease.
 
 Many therapists need therapy themselves.






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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread Jack Pitzer
Metro Makeover
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsav...@... wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  
  Maybe we need the speedo straight challenge.
  
  You have to be over 35 and married.
  
  I see a tv show here.
  
  Get your picture taken now in your speedo.
  
  July 4, you get on stage on the beach -  best improved - wins drinks at 
  paradise
 
 A mix of The Biggest Loser and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy AP
 style. Very interesting. Finals are at RT not July 4. Think of a
 catchy name.







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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hing...@... wrote:

 Metro Makeover

Hetero Makeover




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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread sharon_b283
Just going to interject my 2 cents.  As a longtime married, being Gay
is not the same as being mental!  I don't see being Gay as a
condition for one and for another, I don't see it as treatable. 
It is what it is!  I have a tough time as it is being straight!  I've
been through therapy but not for my sexuality.  I have problems
dealing with MY reality, much less someone's elses drives, sexual or
not.  

Since I don't understand for lack of a better word, what it is to be
attracted to the same sex, I don't judge someone as being sick or
mental, if they are or gravitate to a person of the same sex.  Trying
to diagnose someone, is like someone pretending to be a lawyer without
a license!  Since I am not Gay, I don't try to figure it out no more
than the pigmentation of my skin, makes me Black.  Just me thinking
out loud!


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre
gabrielleo...@... wrote:

 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre gabrielleobre@ 
  wrote:
   She was claiming that cases of homosexuality have been cured 
  through therapy. 
  
  How many?
 
 I dont' know...thats the thing, I need to find it again. I am sure
 that was her claim and that it involved the DSM categorization. I
 can't believe I didn't make a note of it. I will spend some time over
 the wknd to google like a maniac. But I would love if someone else
 caught it.
 
  
  then so should being straight, gay, boring or married or single be a 
  diease.
 
 yeah, thats what is so funny. but ideology can make us believe
 anything. I dont' actually doubt that there are people who go into
 therapy identifying as same sex loving and change. Gender and
 sexuality are much more fluid than we like to think. Lots of women
 waffle in the bi scene I imagine.
 
 
 
  Many therapists need therapy themselves.
 
 Amen! They are some of the sickest mental cases out there. and they
 have savior complexes to boot. But there are also some great ones.






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[AsburyPark] Re: speaking of gayness...

2009-01-09 Thread sharon_b283
I believe that THIS is what I was trying to say.  Many thanks!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, marioa...@... wrote:

 In a message dated 1/8/2009 7:29:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 gabrielleo...@... writes:
 
 The  other night on the bike at the gym I was flipping channels and
stumbled 
 on  some talk showThere was
 a woman being interviewed who was claiming that  one of the decision
makers 
 at the DSM...She was claiming that cases of  homosexuality have
been cured 
 through therapy.
  
 ==
  
 DMS  Reparative Therapy:
  
 1. American Medical Association:  _http://tinyurl.com/6v9vt6_ 
 (http://tinyurl.com/6v9vt6) 
  
 
 2. American Psychiatric Association: American Psychiatric Association  
 Statement 
  

_http://archive.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/21.pdf_ 

(http://archive.psych.org/edu/other_res/lib_archives/archives/21.pdf) 
  
 
 3. American Psychological Association: American Psychological 
Association 
 Statement 
  
 _http://tinyurl.com/9q4gg9_ (http://tinyurl.com/9q4gg9) 
  
 
 4. American Psychoanalytic Association Reparative Therapy 
  
 _http://tinyurl.com/7r4trz_ (http://tinyurl.com/7r4trz) 
  
 
 5. The American Academy of Pediatrics  _http://tinyurl.com/a7qm96_ 
 (http://tinyurl.com/a7qm96) 
  
 
  
  
 6. PFLAG: Parents, Families,  Friends of Lesbians and Gays 
  
 _http://tinyurl.com/7ptspu_ (http://tinyurl.com/7ptspu) 
  
 === 
  
 From: _http://www.fallwell.com/index2.html_ 
 (http://www.fallwell.com/index2.html)
_http://tinyurl.com/9o3uug_ (http://tinyurl.com/9o3uug) 
  
 
 1. Bible verses not taken literally _http://tinyurl.com/klkkh_ 
 (http://tinyurl.com/klkkh) 
  
  
  
 2. Proof that fundamentalists selectively quote the Bible 
  
_http://tinyurl.com/m246w_ (http://tinyurl.com/m246w) 
  
 
 3. Does the Bible really call gay and lesbian people immoral? 
  
_http://tinyurl.com/9bmke4_ (http://tinyurl.com/9bmke4) 
  
  
  
 4. What would Jesus do about Jerry Falwell? 
  
_http://tinyurl.com/8tst6c_ (http://tinyurl.com/8tst6c) 
  
  
  
 
 5. The truth about interpreting the Bible   
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[AsburyPark] take your pick...

2009-01-09 Thread oakdorf
pick ur bikini http://tinyurl.com/8kbhtr




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[AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality

2009-01-09 Thread jwkeady
Friends of Asbury Park:

I got an email today from a friend I went to school with.  He is 
doing amazing work with/for the homeless in New York City.  He shared 
a news story with me that was done on his organization and their 
clients.  

You can view the story here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=p2sacaf_hPc

I think that people in the gay community in Asbury Park will find 
this story particularly interesting-note the stat on the percentage 
of homeless teens that are gay.  

The one young man who is featured in the video seems a far cry from 
how some in Asbury Park have characterized the homeless in the past 
(ex-cons, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and people with a history 
of violence who are unwanted individuals).

I hope this finds you well. 

Peace, 

Jim Keady, Director
Educating for Justice 




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Re: [AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality

2009-01-09 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 1/9/2009 3:00:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
j...@educatingforjustice.org writes:

I think  that people in the gay community in Asbury Park will find this story 
 particularly interesting-note the stat on the percentage 
of homeless teens  that are gay.  

The one young man who is featured in the video  seems a far cry from how some 
in Asbury Park have characterized the homeless  in the past (ex-cons, 
pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and people with a  history of violence who are 
unwanted individuals).
 
==
 
 
Jim,
 
I joined SUFA not because I believed any of the characterizations you  
mention above, but because of MSM's policies regarding any gay homeless men  
who 
might seek shelter from them or at the proposed JSRM.  
 
JSRM claimed it would offer services to any homeless, but there  were special 
prerequisites for gays to reject their orientation and get  special 
counseling for their addiction.  The research I did at that time  indicated 
that 
Asbury Park, more than our neighboring towns, was likely to  attract homeless 
gay 
teenagers seeking food and shelter, and I campaigned  strongly against the 
mission because of its insensitivity to the issues  documented here 
 
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20070307Seattle_Study_LGBT_
youth.pdf,
 
here  http://tinyurl.com/84byuq ,
 
and here  http://tinyurl.com/88yny7 .
 
(E.g.: Three former 'ex-gay' leaders were scheduled to make public  
apologies Wednesday in Los Angeles for the harm their ministries caused gays 
and  
lesbians, and will call for those still involved in ex-gay therapy to  
acknowledge 
their part.  Those ministries now avoid the term  ex-gay.  They prefer to 
say they are ministering to people  struggling with same-sex attraction. )
 
Such uncredentialed ministries don't alleviate suicides; they aggravate  
them, especially among teenagers.
 
Back in early 2007, the following letter to you (not written by me)  was made 
public as the letter writer noted.
 
As far as I know, you did not respond to this letter, and JSRM's  supporters 
never concretely refuted David's Scott's position on the  matter.  And so I 
intensified my efforts to support SUFA with research and  money.
 
===
 
Excerpts from that letter:

Mr. Keady-
Before answering my questions know that this  letter has gone to you and the 
Asbury Park GLH
website.I just want to be  fair. I have read your email on the Asbury Park 
GLH site.
I want to know why  you do, in fact, support a mission that stands for 
treating Homosexuality as a  disease
and yet will discriminate against those very people they feel are  
diseased?Why you also feel it is propper
for the mission to be located so  close to schools?...And last but not least 
how you support a business that  will council addiction when they don't have 
a license to do so.? Please let  myself and everyone else know why you 
support the
Market Street  MissionJust tell us what you like and don't like.Support 
and don't  supportThe Ball is in your court my good man.
 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality

2009-01-09 Thread MarioAPNJ
In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:21:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
marioa...@aol.com writes:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20070307Seattle_Study_LGBT_
youth.pdf,


That link doesn't work.  It's the most comprehensive study I know of  
concerning the issue
 
Try  _http://tinyurl.com/8kvf6x_ (http://tinyurl.com/8kvf6x) 
 
or
 
_http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/HomelessYouth.pdf_ 
(http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/HomelessYouth.pdf) 
 
The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force [with The National Coalition for  
the Homeless]
would like to thank the Johnson Family Foundation for its generous support,  
which enabled the printing and
distribution of this publication, as well as  its commitment to ensuring that 
lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender homeless  youth nationwide have access 
to the services they need in a safe, secure and  nurturing environment.
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Homelessness and Homosexuality

2009-01-09 Thread jwkeady
Mario, 

I never received the letter you quoted from below.  

Can you: 

1. Send me the full copy? 
2. Let me know where it was published publicly?
3. Let me know who wrote it?  
4. Let me know the date it was sent?  

I am unsure what letter the author is responding to and I know that I 
never personally posted any letter on the AP-GLH website (I assume 
he/she meant the listserve).  I am neither gay, nor was I a homeowner 
in AP, so I was not allowed access to that listserve.  I kept fairly 
detailed records of all emails and letters that were sent to me by 
constituents.  I just went through these records and I could not find 
the letter/email in question.  Given these, I think you can see why I 
never responded.  If you can send along the info above, I will do my 
best to address this matter as a matter of public record. 

I hope this finds you well.

Peace, JWK 

Excerpts from that letter:

Mr. Keady-
Before answering my questions know that this letter has gone to you 
and the
Asbury Park GLH
website.I just want to be fair. I have read your email on the Asbury 
Park
GLH site.
I want to know why you do, in fact, support a mission that stands for
treating Homosexuality as a disease
and yet will discriminate against those very people they feel are
diseased?Why you also feel it is propper
for the mission to be located so close to schools?...And last but not 
least
how you support a business that will council addiction when they 
don't have
a license to do so.? Please let myself and everyone else know why you
support the
Market Street MissionJust tell us what you like and don't 
like.Support
and don't supportThe Ball is in your court my good man.




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Re: [AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality

2009-01-09 Thread Allan Peterson
Jim,
 
This was an extremely poor post on your behalf.  You could have simply posted 
the video without taking a stab a SUFA.  I don't recall anyone making the 
general claim that homeless equals ex-cons, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, 
and people with a history of violence who are unwanted individuals.    Rather 
than twisting the words or having some built-up anger because you were not able 
leave a legacy by getting this facility in Asbury, look at the facts.  Many in 
Asbury support the facilities we already have in place.  The concern was with 
the operators of this particular facility not the homeless.   




From: jwkeady j...@educatingforjustice.org
To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 9, 2009 3:00:30 PM
Subject: [AsburyPark] Homelessness and Homosexuality


Friends of Asbury Park:

I got an email today from a friend I went to school with. He is 
doing amazing work with/for the homeless in New York City. He shared 
a news story with me that was done on his organization and their 
clients. 

You can view the story here: http://www.youtube. com/watch?
v=p2sacaf_hPc

I think that people in the gay community in Asbury Park will find 
this story particularly interesting- note the stat on the percentage 
of homeless teens that are gay. 

The one young man who is featured in the video seems a far cry from 
how some in Asbury Park have characterized the homeless in the past 
(ex-cons, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, and people with a history 
of violence who are unwanted individuals) .

I hope this finds you well. 

Peace, 

Jim Keady, Director
Educating for Justice 

 


  

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[AsburyPark] EVICTIONS 170

2009-01-09 Thread oakdorf
This morning in M. County Court, there were 170 cases before the 
judge in Landlord Tenant Court for evictions. Many were dismissed, 
but quite a few either defaulted (no show) or both showed.

From the landlord side:

1. Don't rent what you can't afford.
2. If you're boyfriend or girlfriend move in, you should have the 
understanding that:
a)they should be working)
b)they should be paying the rent.

I look in amazement when a women with kids has a guy living with them 
and she tells me - well he's not payig the rent, I am. So i say - 
yea, but he's working, right?

3) Beer is rent money. Skip your beer and pay the rent. Same for xmas 
and flat screen tvs. You don't have the rent money, don't run off and 
get a new tv. Especially if your landlord doesn't have one.

4) Work. Especially if the landlord offers you construction work and 
you tell the landlord you can't pay, well, because there ain't no 
work out there and you have a nice new truck full of tools that look 
like they've never been used. wake up and put those bedroom 
windows in - and pay off your debt.

5) Don't get a pet, especially a large dog that eats $100 worth of 
food a week. That's more then I spend on my own kids. 

6) Turn your heat down. Turn your heat down and close the front door. 

7) Wash more then one thing in your free washer. Hang dry. 

8) Don't get roommates, charge them for their room and pocket the 
rent money...

Another headbanger - a women never married the kids father, but have 
lived together the kids 13 years

THEY run up credit card debt etc under HER name. So now, taking some 
good advice, file bankruptcy for about 50k in debt which cost her 
$2500. Today, she's excited becuase her not-husband cased in an 
annunity that will net about $42k. He's buying a new motorcycle, her 
a used car that she wantsa new flat screen tv... 

And you're in court, the tenant gets a legal aid attorney and the 
landlord  - the landlord can't afford an attorney because the tenant 
hasn't paid rent

Hopefully Mr. Obama can do more then stimulate us with money that 
will then likely be pissed away -

Maybe I'll take that $1k and instead of making a payment towards my 
kids schooling that I have to pay for, and say screw it and buy a new 
tv, even though I really don't need it. The old one turns on and off 
and I don't need to see much more detail. I usally fall asleep when I 
turn the tv on anyway.








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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Homelessness and Homosexuality

2009-01-09 Thread MarioAPNJ
All the information has been sent by private email.
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2009 4:54:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
j...@educatingforjustice.org writes:

I never  received the letter you quoted from below.  
Can you: 
1. Send me  the full copy? 
2. Let me know where it was published publicly?
3. Let  me know who wrote it?  
4. Let me know the date it was sent?   
I am unsure what letter the author is responding to and I know that I  
never personally posted any letter on the AP-GLH website (I assume  
he/she meant the listserve).  I am neither gay, nor was I a homeowner  
in AP, so I was not allowed access to that listserve.  I kept fairly  
detailed records of all emails and letters that were sent to me by  
constituents.  I just went through these records and I could not find  
the letter/email in question.  Given these, I think you can see why I  
never responded.  If you can send along the info above, I will do my  
best to address this matter as a matter of public record. 
 
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[AsburyPark] January 7 Council Meeting - Recordings Posted Now

2009-01-09 Thread radio881gal
Hi guys and gals -
I've got my notes and recordings from this week's council meeting up on 
www.asburyradio.com now. I think the recordings start after the annual 
new year appointments and reappointments. If I so and I can get them 
from clerk Steve Clerk, I'll post them.
There's a lot of discussion devoted to the ordinance implementing the 5-
year tax abatement. Now that I've had a chance to read the ordinance, 
it certainly says it supercedes all other such exemptions. I'd 
interpreted Reidy's explanation as meaning that this was for 
individuals who'd fixed up their homes, so they wouldn't get wacked 
with a tax hike right away. But the ordinance states that it applies to 
industrial and commercial projects, too. 
Maybe Jim is familiar with this one.
You can also hear City Attorney Tom Hastie's explanation very clearly 
on the recordings. See what you think.
Thanks for checking it out!
Maureen




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