[AsburyPark] Re: For the record Oak
If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² Did you share this with the police? That sounds to me like a threat to commit violence. I understand there is anger, but threatening to burn the whole fucking thing down is very serious. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@... wrote: All I know is the rich and famous go to rehab over and over while the poor get locked up and they throw away the key and in some cases like gangs and drugs, it should be! Spend a few hours in AP Muni court. I believe in the court room there are drug counselors, reverends, interpreters, court appointed lawyers, etc. If you get convicted in M county, the first time, there are many opportunities to get clean. That includes Pre Trial Intervention. I know someone working there. They get to interview lawyers, doctors, drug dealers, first time buyers, murders gang members, moms, dads, grandmoms and everything in between. And tons of money are spend on rehab at that point as well. Even for some - their second time looking to get pre-trial relief. And again - there are rich people, poor people white and black. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Those homes are condemned, well a lot of them are at least No. The feds spent about $100 million rehabbing them all - from top to bottom. THEN knocked them down. There was that fear of over crowded schools or creating a community of affordable housing. People still don't understand the words affordable housing vs low income housing. My sister is finally putting an offer on a house in OT. She's 41. The house is going for $215 and we put an offer in lower. She HAS to get in lower to be able to afford to live there. Single, no kids and has a good job with the county for just above $50k year. Since the banks are no longer giving out loans just because - you more or less have to have 20% down (so with it all, you need $45,000 down on a $200,000 purchase). That leaves a mortgage of around $145,000. So the payment of $900 perm monththen add in property taxes - close to $500 per month - add in the basics - sewer tax of $40 month, water, gas, electric. Then all the rest - food, gas, medical, dental,pet food, clothing, phone and tv. She had her list and kept it real limited. Add to that she has a near perfect credit score. That's her. But what if she askedwhat if something happens what if..the kitchen is old, the roof if old, the walls are ugly, the driveway is cracked, the windows are old... But I told her, it has 3 bedrooms and room you can get 4. I also told if it doesn't work out, she can always rent it out as a section 8 rental. Easily get $1800 month. So that's the agony of trying to BUY OWN AND LOVE and AFFORD a home here in NJ, while you're employed with perfect credit. Welcome to NJ. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: For the record Oak
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Educating for Justice jim@... wrote: After the wake, I drove four of the young man¹s friends home. I knew two of them from coaching rec basketball, so they felt somewhat comfortable speaking with me. I asked them what they thought about AP and the direction it was going. One of them said to me, ³You don¹t think we know what¹s going on here? All these new people moving in just want all the poor black people out of here. Redevelopment? Not for us. But I can tell you this. If they don¹t make us a part of it, it may get to a point where we¹ll burn the whole fucking thing down. Maybe if we march down Cookman and break some windows and scare some of these white people, then they will listen to us.² I dare them to do it. All the money in the world and bullshit coddling will never cure that mentality. Time for tough love. here will always be a subsection of society like that. There has always been. It transcends race, religion, etc. There has been and is plenty of help out there. Seek it. How's Spring Lake? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] not just here
August 12, 2011 A Summer Idyll, and Then Three Bullets By JOHN LELAND IN the hour before sunset on June 30, Calvin Chu was with his wife, Melissa, and 15-month-old daughter, Emma, at the playground in Morningside Park, awaiting the long holiday weekend. Children splashed under graceful arcs of water from the sprinklers or clambered over a hanging wooden bridge. But as Mr. Chu watched Emma play, he noticed a teenager on the street behind her, raising what looked like a gun. Mr. Chu, who moved to the area last year, had seen drug dealers by that corner, 116th Street and Morningside Avenue, but a gun was something different. He heard three loud pops. Another man ran from the scene. For an instant, some parents thought the pops were firecrackers. Then someone yelled, Gun! It was outrageous because it was right across the street from the playground, said Mr. Chu, 36, who works at Columbia University, just across the park. Adults hurried their children away. The teenager with the gun rode off on his bicycle. That might have been the end of the story, a brazen crime on a hot summer evening. No one was seriously hurt; no arrests were made. But the area around Morningside Park has in recent years attracted waves of young professionals, in part with the promise of a new Harlem. The park itself once a forbidding no-man's land that serves as the border between the Morningside Heights and Harlem neighborhoods has become an emblem of the community's cultural richness, with the playground, which opened in 2008, its brightest advertisement: clean, bright, filled with children of all colors. It said that Harlem was a place to raise kids. The gunshots, combined with a shooting in the park earlier in the month, sent up a warning flag. Was the area in danger of sliding back, to a past many knew only by reputation? What happened next has been a test of social media and public outrage in a changing area, where sparkling new restaurants and condominiums are still rising up, even as a bad economy pummels the less-affluent, longer-term residents. The shootings called into question the neighborhood's identity. Which Harlem would win out, and did the residents there new and old have a say in the matter? For some, the answer was obvious. I'm moving to Westchester, said Julia Taylor, a high school teacher and mother of two, who moved to the neighborhood 12 years ago. Asked about the recent shooting, she said, bitterly, Which one? But Melissa Chu, a stay-at-home mother, heard the shooting as a wake-up call. She had never expected anything like that in the neighborhood. She called the city's help line, 311, which gave her names and numbers for the community board and elected officials. After calling them all, she said, I thought that wasn't enough. So Ms. Chu posted an account of the shooting, including the phone numbers of the various officials, on a Web site for Upper West Side mothers. A woman on the site, Hiam Abbas, was appalled. She, too, liked to use the playground with her 1-year-old son, Khalil. Ms. Abbas, who works for the World Bank on urban poverty issues, copied Ms. Chu's post onto another e-mail list, Harlem4Kids. Then things got interesting. In its five years of existence, Harlem4Kids has grown from a story hour at a local bookstore to an online community of 1,152 people who swap opinions about preschools, lactation consultants, school supplies and other vicissitudes of modern parenting a virtual Park Slope, in a neighborhood where such a network did not exist. Lisa Jones Brown, a founder of Harlem4Kids, read Ms. Abbas's post and immediately began calling numbers. Ms. Brown, who writes professionally as Lisa Jones, has lived in the neighborhood since 2001. At Community Board 10, she said, the person who answered the phone was dismissive, saying something like: This is Harlem. There are shootings in school yards, in front of churches, etc. Ms. Brown, fuming, posted about this response on Harlem4Kids. That enraged me, and it enraged all of us, said Ms. Brown, 49, who is the daughter of the writers Amiri Baraka and Hettie Jones. Maybe we're a different generation that's more empowered. No one's going to tell me that in the community where I live violence just happens. Ms. Brown posted a rallying cry. The mayor of this city would be up in arms if this shooting had happened in Central Park in front of one of the playgrounds that borders 5th Ave, she wrote. The mailing list lit up. Tiffany Gardner, 35, places herself firmly in this new Harlem generation. When she read on Harlem4Kids about the community board's response, Mrs. Gardner found it unacceptable, a throwback to an earlier era, when Harlem residents routinely complained about official neglect. But it would have been appalling even then, she said. Mrs. Gardner lives with her husband and 1-year-old son in a new condominium that advertises itself as a perfect place for families, young couples
Re: [AsburyPark] not just here
In a message dated 8/16/2011 dfsav...@yahoo.com writes: August 12, 2011, A Summer Idyll, and Then Three Bullets, By JOHN LELAND === Similarly, the link below is to one of several I seen this summer regarding increasing problems for police. I chose this one because it's about the Jersey shore (not Asbury Park). But I've similar stories about cities like Philadelphia where they are trying to enforce new tighter curfews because of similar problems. Seaside Heights, Point Pleasant Beach police crack down on boardwalk violence | MyCentralJersey.com | MyCentralJersey.com http://bit.ly/rj3Kak It started as a summer of trouble for police in the Shore’s boardwalk towns, with fights, a stabbing and a homicide taking place during the big holiday weekends. There also have been incidents affecting quality of life that are not as high-profile, from drunken and disorderly behavior to disrobing and even defecating in public. In response, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] this reminds me of someone
a quote about christine quinn of NYC but reminds me of someone local You can be the attack-dog politician score points and accomplish nothing or you can decide to get things done, and she decided to get things done, Mr. Skyler said. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] the guy who couldn't read...
part of what Jim wrote... the guy who was drunk got visibly enraged. He burst into tears, screaming, ³JIM! I¹m 26 years old and I can¹t fucking read! I can¹t read! How can I get a job? I can¹t fucking read!² That is not his fault. He was failed by both his family (if one existed) and by the school system. In that moment, he felt safe to share that rage with me and it was controlled. In another situation, it might not be. But COULD he have sought help - or was he pushed along by the schools and teachers and , if he had parent(s) by them? My son told me someone came in the other day for a job app. Screaming in the place he needed someone to help read to fill out the application. So my son went over there first to tell him to cool it, then to help him fill out the app. He wasn't a youngster either. the next day, i was driving with my son down main street, my son said that's the guy.. that was in the other day filling out the app 1. By the end of second grade, every child who has a problem reading should be identified and put into focused classes. It may be all kids should be and those that are capable of reading pulled out. But we like to mainstream -right or wrong. 2. I like this topic. Why? More or less my entire family is or was involved in education - mother teaching degree sub at AP years ago, father at monmouth, sister -was neptune special ed, aunts uncles cousins all with differing political views teachers. So it makes me an expert by blood. 3. I met this girl at monmouth who became my wife. I realized she had a reading and writing problem then. Great way to meet girls then, read for them AND do their papers. Turned out she had (has) dyslexia. Of course I still wonder how much is that (brain just sees things differently) or where she grew up in PA, up to 8th grade in was more or less a 6 room school. Her father was a great man as well, but had dropped out in 8th grade and her mom managed a bank, but never went to college. While I grew up seeing my parents always reading or typing and reading materials all over the house, that wasn't the case in their house. So I think the more a kid sees someone reading and reading materials are around, the better the chance a kid will learn to read. I did it with my kids. There has always been reading materials in the bathroom - wall street journals, discovery mag, science books etc. I'd even leave a computer in there. And never chase them out of the bathroom. Maybe that worked. Maybe not. My daughter went to Hunter and I hoped she'd get interested in their urban studies program. Didn't pan out. Not yet anyway. Now my son is heading to pace and managed to do well enough in AP classes in economics and bio to get college credit for them. He eventually wants to go to med school. I wonder. Daughter read since she was two, my son was around 4-5 before it clicked. It took the computer to help him. to get a kid to read, they have to be encourage and let to read what they are interested in first. That way they don't become afraid of the book. So does AP have any programs out there to arm each kid with a kindle or similar device? What grade can you start that? I'm sure you can cut a deal and stick a loaded kindle in each 6th graders backpack. How about paying for and letting the kids pick a magazine or two of their choice. How about a program for parents - they get to take a FREE online class by one of the NJ colleges. PACE university has it for kids that go there. EACH parent gets to take one class - undergrad. This is only one square mile. Charities and non profits take in tens of millions. I haven't added it up yet. Add in abbott funding and extra funding and grants. Mucho dinero. The business of low income and poor is big business. I just said that the other day to someone looking to rent a building in AP for a program. We have people... but we need to be in the AP/Neptune area... the more people, the more they make. you get so many bodies per sq ft, per day. It's a good business to be in I hear... No, no not really Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Mucho dinero. The business of low income and poor is big business. I just said that the other day to someone looking to rent a building in AP for a program. We have people... but we need to be in the AP/Neptune area... the more people, the more they make. you get so many bodies per sq ft, per day. It's a good business to be in I hear... No, no not really How about aid/assistance for performance. Attending school, grades, attending parents teacher meetings, seeking employment, etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: How about aid/assistance for performance. Attending school, grades, attending parents teacher meetings, seeking employment, etc. because that's not fair. some notes: NJ Department of Human Services Division of Family Development offers parents financial assistance to pay for some of the costs of child care. Parents must be income eligible and involved in a work, training or school related activity. - ecipients of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families may be able to receive assistance with child care expenses while participating in an approved work activity and also may be eligible for Transitional Child Care for up to 24 months after discontinuing TANF. HEAD START The Head Start Program in Monmouth County is administered by Acelero Learning. Acelero Learning Monmouth County Head Start provides child care for eligible children at several locations in Monmouth County. The program includes education, health screenings and nutritious meals. Home based services and a summer program are also available. Head Start also provides extended hours for working families. Families receiving TANF are automatically eligible for Head Start programs. I think they get around $6 million, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
Oak, a lot of these programs are only available in the poorest areas, so again you are still talking about the concentration of poverty/segregation. Here is the head start for Bergen County, it is in a couple of spots, none in the Northern part of the county and it runs from 845-345. That does not cover a lot of time for employment. http://www.bergencap.org/headstart.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: How about aid/assistance for performance. Attending school, grades, attending parents teacher meetings, seeking employment, etc. because that's not fair. some notes: NJ Department of Human Services Division of Family Development offers parents financial assistance to pay for some of the costs of child care. Parents must be income eligible and involved in a work, training or school related activity. - ecipients of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families may be able to receive assistance with child care expenses while participating in an approved work activity and also may be eligible for Transitional Child Care for up to 24 months after discontinuing TANF. HEAD START The Head Start Program in Monmouth County is administered by Acelero Learning. Acelero Learning Monmouth County Head Start provides child care for eligible children at several locations in Monmouth County. The program includes education, health screenings and nutritious meals. Home based services and a summer program are also available. Head Start also provides extended hours for working families. Families receiving TANF are automatically eligible for Head Start programs. I think they get around $6 million, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: Oak, a lot of these programs are only available in the poorest areas, Don't blame me. Blame the directors. Apparently, no one has the common sense to see that they have a problem with hours. The real problem is, there are s many programs running against each other, competing for the same grants or getting dupe grant monies for the same stuff. Everybody wants a program. But in many cases, you need to have money to get money. Or need the space to begin with to get the money to get a program. you have homeless and homeless charities. And then there are the professional charities and programs. All out body hunting. Great article the other day. A judge was convicted along with 30 others for kids for cash -steering kids into programs run by his buddies - for kickbacks. Like the schools, you need bodies to keep the schools open. I can't tell you how many different groups I spoke to that want a charter school or similar program. I think the last program was for around $2m per school (maybe more)- first you need a building - that is school ready. Then you need one teacher within a district where the school is to be - to be part of the program. Out of that money, they need to have budget, plan etc... You can apply by whatever date is was, get denied, then apply again, hoping to get approved. Having a license to operate certain day programs in NJ is gold. They are valuable. I've had this what could be a great building in AP for sale for a client. NOw he's down to around $685,000. Big. 12,000 sq ft. Be a great building for city services - after school programs, special programs etc. Just needs some tlc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
That building would be great for youth programs considering the location to the HS Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:49:49 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@... wrote: Oak, a lot of these programs are only available in the poorest areas, Don't blame me. Blame the directors. Apparently, no one has the common sense to see that they have a problem with hours. The real problem is, there are s many programs running against each other, competing for the same grants or getting dupe grant monies for the same stuff. Everybody wants a program. But in many cases, you need to have money to get money. Or need the space to begin with to get the money to get a program. you have homeless and homeless charities. And then there are the professional charities and programs. All out body hunting. Great article the other day. A judge was convicted along with 30 others for kids for cash -steering kids into programs run by his buddies - for kickbacks. Like the schools, you need bodies to keep the schools open. I can't tell you how many different groups I spoke to that want a charter school or similar program. I think the last program was for around $2m per school (maybe more)- first you need a building - that is school ready. Then you need one teacher within a district where the school is to be - to be part of the program. Out of that money, they need to have budget, plan etc... You can apply by whatever date is was, get denied, then apply again, hoping to get approved. Having a license to operate certain day programs in NJ is gold. They are valuable. I've had this what could be a great building in AP for sale for a client. NOw he's down to around $685,000. Big. 12,000 sq ft. Be a great building for city services - after school programs, special programs etc. Just needs some tlc. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: That building would be great for youth programs considering the location to the HS You and I might think that. But I contacted Interfaith Neighbors, sent letters to the city, chamber, school board (thanks to garret responded) , Habitat (they did come look) when I had it listed higher, Salvation Army (they really want to be on a highway), a couple church groups that have all the heart in the world and no money, someone that thought it make a cool house, someone considering a brewery, a gallery a few guys that needed warehouse space and someone that wanted to be closer to cookman. It historic if that means anything to anyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: not just here
Read it in today's Press! An eye-opener. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@... wrote: In a message dated 8/16/2011 dfsavgny@... writes: August 12, 2011, A Summer Idyll, and Then Three Bullets, By JOHN LELAND === Similarly, the link below is to one of several I seen this summer regarding increasing problems for police. I chose this one because it's about the Jersey shore (not Asbury Park). But I've similar stories about cities like Philadelphia where they are trying to enforce new tighter curfews because of similar problems. Seaside Heights, Point Pleasant Beach police crack down on boardwalk violence | MyCentralJersey.com | MyCentralJersey.com http://bit.ly/rj3Kak It started as a summer of trouble for police in the Shoreâs boardwalk towns, with fights, a stabbing and a homicide taking place during the big holiday weekends. There also have been incidents affecting quality of life that are not as high-profile, from drunken and disorderly behavior to disrobing and even defecating in public. In response, [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
I still like the idea someone had on here awhile back. Make the assistance - section 8, welfare, food stamps, etc, contingent on the kids having acceptable grades. Also make it contingent upon the parents attempting to get work or better their lives in some way. If the pattern is broken, the problem will gradually be reduced, if not eliminated. The trouble is that it's passed down from one generation to the next, in rapid succession since a generation in this area is often 14-16 yrs. Stop rewarding teens for having babies, too. -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fancypaaantz Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:12 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read... Oak, a lot of these programs are only available in the poorest areas, so again you are still talking about the concentration of poverty/segregation. Here is the head start for Bergen County, it is in a couple of spots, none in the Northern part of the county and it runs from 845-345. That does not cover a lot of time for employment. http://www.bergencap.org/headstart.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: How about aid/assistance for performance. Attending school, grades, attending parents teacher meetings, seeking employment, etc. because that's not fair. some notes: NJ Department of Human Services Division of Family Development offers parents financial assistance to pay for some of the costs of child care. Parents must be income eligible and involved in a work, training or school related activity. - ecipients of Temporary Assistance to Needy Families may be able to receive assistance with child care expenses while participating in an approved work activity and also may be eligible for Transitional Child Care for up to 24 months after discontinuing TANF. HEAD START The Head Start Program in Monmouth County is administered by Acelero Learning. Acelero Learning Monmouth County Head Start provides child care for eligible children at several locations in Monmouth County. The program includes education, health screenings and nutritious meals. Home based services and a summer program are also available. Head Start also provides extended hours for working families. Families receiving TANF are automatically eligible for Head Start programs. I think they get around $6 million, Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
then if the kids don't get good grades - then what? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
dont have to be good grades but improvement and trying. when there is an incentive perhaps parents will make be involved and that is what is missing. A vicious cycle. As a liberal I acknowledge some of the failures of the Great Society and the welfare system. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: then if the kids don't get good grades - then what? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
If they don't get decent grades (or at least passing), the family loses the funding. We are paying billions of dollars in tax money for assistance programs for people who could care less about improving themselves, all they are doing is passing the same problem on to the next generation. There are, of course, exceptions - people who have fallen upon hard times and are doing the best that they can. That is exactly what the programs are designed for. But the vast majority that are on welfare or other government programs do not even try to better their situations. Laws need to be changed so that if they want the assistance, they earn it. If they don't want to make the effort, they lose the assistance and are on their own to figure it out. -Original Message- From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dfsavgny Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:01 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read... dont have to be good grades but improvement and trying. when there is an incentive perhaps parents will make be involved and that is what is missing. A vicious cycle. As a liberal I acknowledge some of the failures of the Great Society and the welfare system. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: then if the kids don't get good grades - then what? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
