[AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
This is but ONE of the reasons that benefits set aside for needy people and families, never reach those it's intended for. I thank you for sharing this but your cousin's in-law is a thief! There's a saying in the Black Community and in general: What goes around, comes around! I suffer from Catholic Guilt. I could never do anything like this and expect to get away with it. Trust me. Either he'll be found out and be arrested or as the old folks say; I hope nothing bad happens to him. Just remember, God is watching. So let him enjoy his ill gotten goods. It's people like him that give the poor and down trodden, a bad name. I didn't know States could add stipulations to receiving Federal Benefits. I know that in some states, you can't vote if you do certain crimes. The ACLU hasn't challenged this yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I agree 100% Sharon I believe there are ways you can legislate behavior in some manner, and some states do already In some states violent crime felons are not allowed to receive financial assistance, like food stamps and such Some states drug test etc I think there are a couple states that are requiring drug tests prior to getting benefits What I feel is the problem with government assistance is the loopholes and the ones who purposely take advantage of the system, here's an example, My cousins brother in law works full time completely off the books, gets unemployment (been on it for 74wks), and food stamps (receiving them for 40wks). His off the books job pays more than mine (which is ridiculous). And get this... the guy buys LOBSTER TAILS every week from Shop Rite with those food stamps. So he's making more than his actual job he was laid off from. He is collecting $1200 every 2 wks from unemployment (NJ Maximum) and he gets free food My cousin won't allow him in his house until he stops stealing from the taxpayers So what our elected officials really need to do is figure out how to close the loop holes and stop letting people take advantage of it.I don't have the answers, I wish I did though Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
I think your ideas are wonderful. What happened to the Jobs program Asbury had. I don't see anyone working with the contractor that has the West Side Contract for the Senior Center, matter of fact, every time I pass there, no one is working! Your ideas are great and workable. I hate to say it, but the only time anything/programs for the poor/underclass/uneducated/at risk in this community, is when an incident takes place. Social problems in this community get glared at, because the powers that be don't heed the warnings. Know why I don't partake in the fireworks? Because I don't want to be around potential trouble. I'd be a statistic, if anything happened. I can't run, so I stay far away from potential violence. City Hall had better take heed BEFORE something or someone get hurt! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Unless you're willing to get involved, more incidents are going to occur. Be ready. Well sharon your points, comments and life experiences (and the success of raising your family) are well taken. Once again, it's that be ready...cause trouble is waiting.. That's the scary part - for lack of better words. So why don't the community leaders - all these organizations that ARE there to help, take action. Talk to the kids and parents. What are the REAL issues? - Is it housing - quality of life - lack of work - what kind of work would one accept ... Employment: - What kind of programs are in place within the city with city and surrounding employers. For example: Are there any intern programs with Jersey Shore Medical - between the HS and JS?? If not, why not? Seems like a natural. - does the city have any interns? How about the chamber of commerce? How about Madison Marquette. I call them interns, but if the business can't afford to pay for it, I'd say take it from the school $ or other grant money. The kids can work 25 hours per week, $9 per hour. That's 225 per week gross. 10 weeks - each kid gets $2250. Take 200 kids. Pennies for such a program. Can you get kids to work $9.00? IS it worth more to keep them off the street - then go for it. $12 hour? - how about kids that graduated from AP High? Where did they go, what are they doing now? Anyone know? Does anyone track their careers? Can they come back and talk to other kids What kinds of employment programs exist in the school system with a $90 million budget. (as for employment programs, I meant for the kids - not admin) There is only so much that can be done. You need intelligent people running these programs and people that want to participate. Without, you have people making comments like we gonna burn the place down or be ready. That is what has to be addressed by those who interact with the local community. And those leaders should be inviting in african american owned businesses. And those leaders should ensure that if something is built or renovated on the west side, that bricks don't get thrown through the windows or lights shattered. Would it make difference if you just gave everyone, and I mean everyone $1,000,000? Every resident, any color. What do you think? The one that pisses it away after two weeks would be pissed at the guy who saved it, right? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fast4u sharon_b283@ wrote: My daughter was married by Judge Apostolou. Her Air Force husband was relocating to New Mexico to Cannon AFB and he wore his dress uniform and she, her wedding gown. He asked them, if it was okay to introduce them to the vermin waiting to be seen and they said okay. He is serving Uncle Sam and this flower, has agreed to join him! You could hear a pin drop. The atmosphere was worse than Night Court, if you remember the series. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read...
Sharon That is why my cousin has cut off contact with him, and many others in the family have as well, he is officially the family outcast, I'd personally kick his butt if ever saw him I don't think the states can stop federal assistance, but they can stop state assistance I didn't collect unemployment when I got out of the Marines. You can get it, and many do, but I was not laid off or fired from the military, my time was up, I felt guilty attempting to collect unemployment, and couldn't collect, thankfully I found work quick Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: 2fast4u sharon_b...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:02:08 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: the guy who couldn't read... This is but ONE of the reasons that benefits set aside for needy people and families, never reach those it's intended for. I thank you for sharing this but your cousin's in-law is a thief! There's a saying in the Black Community and in general: What goes around, comes around! I suffer from Catholic Guilt. I could never do anything like this and expect to get away with it. Trust me. Either he'll be found out and be arrested or as the old folks say; I hope nothing bad happens to him. Just remember, God is watching. So let him enjoy his ill gotten goods. It's people like him that give the poor and down trodden, a bad name. I didn't know States could add stipulations to receiving Federal Benefits. I know that in some states, you can't vote if you do certain crimes. The ACLU hasn't challenged this yet. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I agree 100% Sharon I believe there are ways you can legislate behavior in some manner, and some states do already In some states violent crime felons are not allowed to receive financial assistance, like food stamps and such Some states drug test etc I think there are a couple states that are requiring drug tests prior to getting benefits What I feel is the problem with government assistance is the loopholes and the ones who purposely take advantage of the system, here's an example, My cousins brother in law works full time completely off the books, gets unemployment (been on it for 74wks), and food stamps (receiving them for 40wks). His off the books job pays more than mine (which is ridiculous). And get this... the guy buys LOBSTER TAILS every week from Shop Rite with those food stamps. So he's making more than his actual job he was laid off from. He is collecting $1200 every 2 wks from unemployment (NJ Maximum) and he gets free food My cousin won't allow him in his house until he stops stealing from the taxpayers So what our elected officials really need to do is figure out how to close the loop holes and stop letting people take advantage of it.I don't have the answers, I wish I did though Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Hello Everyone, My name is Ramona Thornton and I am the program manager for the jobs program, its leadership has changed many hands, but the program manager is still trying to make a difference. I have been watching this board for quite some time now. I think I can shed some light on a couple of issues that have been coming up recently. First of all I don't see any racist people on this group I only see frustrated intelligent individuals that are having problems wrapping their minds around so many problems in a 1 mile town. Someone wise said once .. don't bring the problem to the table without bringing the start of the solution! (My Grandmother at her dinner table!) So here goes The Jobs program in Asbury WAS alive and well through an initiative called the Construction Connection. Supported by the City and the Resource Center in Asbury Park. The city has sponsored 28 people through this connection. Interfaith Neighbors has sponsored 2 that are currently working on the Springwood Center and have been since the beginning. I am going to tell a story now about 2 them Approximately a year ago there was a meeting at city hall for anyone who was interested in a weatherization/construction training program sponsored by the DCA. We went into Neptune and Asbury Park to inform the residents of this opportunity ... pack filled rooms .. but they needed to have a certain grade level (it was not 12th grade either), get a hold of their HS Diploma, demonstrate by action that they were serious about this opportunity and have an obtainable license (If they had a suspended license because of fines and if the number was low enough that they could obtain a valid license within 1 or 2 paychecks they were not excluded). We identified ONE HUNDRED and EIGHTEEN eligible residents ... only HALF came to be interviewed by the training team ... they were drug tested ... only ONE came up dirty. We had the training facility MOVED from Freehold to LONG BRANCH because of transportation issues ... TWENTY showed up the first day of class. TWELVE showed up the second day of class ... and that 12 graduated. 118 to 12 ... WOW ... Among them were the 2 individuals that are working on the Springwood Avenue project . We monitor our recommendations to businesses on a weekly basis ... NO problems were reported ... they weren't late ... they weren't disrespectful ... they went on to get several certificates .. so they could continue to work on the project. The young men have families ... brand new babies ...not baby mama's but families. One works out regularly at the PAL on his promising boxing career. The other WAS successfully completing the steps to become a city fireman, passed the written test, passed the physical, he was also the individual that was shot in the head last week! He was coming home from work .. he was ACROSS the STREET when the ruckus started ... he was hit by a stray bullet! He is ok came out of the hospital yesterday, but has a lot of physical therapy to do so he can continue on his path to becoming a fireman. He came by the office yesterday, to tell me thank you and he understood if his job couldn't be held ... I assured him his job is waiting for him ... be strong ... get better .. and we will work it out. I say this because the Resource Center was Asbury Works (which didn't turn out so good) ... turned over to the Housing Authority (which didn't turn out so good) ... and now the program manager is starting up again ... because people like Keshawn and Darryl and the 28 others in the Construction Connection ... and the 45 graduates from the Best Foot Forward Program (paid work experience from the DOL with 37 documented positive exits! (positive exit means one of the following happened... increase in education level and/or getting a GED, unsubsidized employment, attendance in a secondary school ) deserve someone who will stop saying ... somebody ought to do something ... to some people who will show them HOW ... Our case management team is small .. we do what we can ... we ignore those who call up and say ... have you got a job for me yet? ... and work with the ones who actually show up more than once every three months and put the work in. Funding is a big issue .. grants are practically non existent for small non-profits (but readily available to the big national ones) and they will get even slimmer by next year. We have reached out to other businesses, and we understand the feedback of their fears and concerns ... so we initiated monitors not mentors ... monitors and if you have a problem with someone that was recommended to you .. you have options ... we don't guarantee we warranty our recommendations. If you choose the option to fire them ... we document it ... if we can't remedy the problem with the participant .. they aren't recommended again. I have been involved with the problem since 2006 and I have learned that it is generational! When asked what their future plans are ... they have no
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Ok. So I'm back. Nice to see someone that has been watching this board step up tell us something meaningful. One of the major problem is, as I see it, you have to remove some of the barriers -at least that of education level to at least get started. The transportation issue is another. Shouldn't exist either. Either vouchers for NJ coast, bus or the program has to provide some kind of shuttle service. That's why I see Meriidan Health (Jersey Shore) or Robert Wood (Monmouth Medical ) as tow of the areas largest employers that must be major supporters and participants in programs. You have quite a few other groups in AP - chamber of commerce , theatre group, the fire dept, several banks VNA. Same with the city. I can bet you half of those without educational level just might some kind of computer skill - they either know or don't know they do. I'd love to convert the building at 1411 memorial drive to support a REAL training center - not a hang out, not a soup kitchen - but an option for anyone interested in improving their life - in any line of work. You have several large organization that are multi-million operations - REStore under Habitat, Salvation Army to name two. I have my thoughts, and I'll keep them in my head - for now. Jewish Children Family services( not jsut for jews), United way You can train a secretary. You can train someone to swing a hammer. You can train someone to fix a car or computer or work at the home depot or make a career in the medical field. You also have monmouth university, brookdale - both very large employers. Not sure if I might help out or commit - but I'm flexible on Tues and Wednesday eve/late afternoons. Thank you for response. At least some more people may now understand the problem you face as the admin and the problems those face looking for help. Did anyone setup a fund to help the kid that got shot?? Wondering. PS. I think I found a winner. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] one more...
Do they ask the kids starting in first grade what do you want to be when you grow up..?. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Upperclass boardwalk and downtown?
Thank you for your response. I have been in the trenches for a minute and know from experience the results. We have tried to initiate a program with Meridian Health ... we worked with Wendy and Wayne.Problem was the process background check took forever, scheduling for shots and exams was also lengthy. We had 5 participants by the time they were cleared for work we only had 2 left ... one obtained their physical therapy license and is working as a therapist. The other was a senior in high school, gave up an opportunity to play in Italy for the summer for the experience to work with the morgue but due to program funding we were not able to link her with further education. As you know Great Adventure is a major employer in the area ... we have asked for several summers now that they initiate a shuttle from our area to help the residents get summer employment. They said no ... apparently they tried it before my time in town (I've been back since 2006) an incident occurred ... and well you know the results ... the only way area residents can get to GA is to take the bus from the Transportation Center to Freehold to catch the GA Shuttle... this would make the commute unreasonable ... few have tried only to find out that their scheduled work hours in the park were not favorable to the pickup times and also increased their commute time. We have worked with the Fire Department the fire chief asked us to attend an outreach to the residents for training with the fire department ... same story .. packed room .. we offered educational training to help them pass ... 3 applied ... 1 - Keshawn is the only one I know of who pursued this interest. We have worked with the banks ... they require a certain amount of training at their training facility ... most of facilities are in Lakewood / up north or some other not easily accessible spot unless you have a car. We have worked with RESTORE for a training program to refinish and restore furniture .. it was in collaboration with the High School and as you can imagine .. that didn't turn out too well. Brookdale - moved out of Asbury and went to Neptune .. offered free GED classes .. to make a long story short we called them to let THEM KNOW that they were suppose to setting up classes ... results ... moved the program to Long Branch. United Way - brings a lot to the table ... but it's not what is needed at first ... and they are difficult to open a dialogue with. It has taken the team a lot of years and a lot of aspirin to gain the respect of these individuals where we can go up them and point blank tell them to pull their pants up ... fix your hair and yes you will take ALL the tests and participate in the all the required sessions (1. TABE which is the Adult Basic Education Test / 2. Kiersey Temperament Test / 3. Career Assessment Test / 4. Not really a test but we ask them to give us a written statement of where they would like to be, or what they want to achieve) BEFORE we even begin to help you ...we don't refuse anyone .. but we aren't afraid to say NO .. you approached the situation wrong (we tell them what they did wrong and why) ... go home .. and try again tomorrow. The team operates with this thought in mind ... We have ONE strategy to move anyone, in any situation, through the stages of: CONFUSION (because most of the time they just don't know HOW to get out of something) to ORDER (THINK about approaching your problem differently because your solutions didn't work too good the first time!) to EXCELLENCE (when they reach this stage the disbelief in astounding!) We believe you cannot send the majority of participants in our database to any other program, initiative, training etc .. until they have gone though our basic program which might take them 6 months (the pace is up to them) because they don't have the mental skill-set to withstand what obstacles can come their way! They drop out the program within 2 months time! Again, Thank you for listening and we are working on a benefit for Keashawn. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Ok. So I'm back. Nice to see someone that has been watching this board step up tell us something meaningful. One of the major problem is, as I see it, you have to remove some of the barriers -at least that of education level to at least get started. The transportation issue is another. Shouldn't exist either. Either vouchers for NJ coast, bus or the program has to provide some kind of shuttle service. That's why I see Meriidan Health (Jersey Shore) or Robert Wood (Monmouth Medical ) as tow of the areas largest employers that must be major supporters and participants in programs. You have quite a few other groups in AP - chamber of commerce , theatre group, the fire dept, several banks VNA. Same with the city. I can bet you half of those without educational level just might some kind of computer skill - they
[AsburyPark] Re: one more...
Background .. I have 2 daughters and have tried to be an active parent in the school system ... I served on the PTO, Parent Advisory Council etc .. I brought it to the board's attention that the Gifted and Talented program wasn't up to speed ... could go on ... but long story short I lost the will to fight, took my children out of the school system. I may be dating myself but do you remember when you asked your mom, dad, uncle aunt to come to school for career day? When was the last time you read about that happening in Asbury Park in the Coaster? Oh they might ask ... but it has no followup --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote: Do they ask the kids starting in first grade what do you want to be when you grow up..?. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
