[AsburyPark] Re: Very perceptive post by T.C......Concerning election lets take a look..........

2013-03-27 Thread dfsavgny
sounds like you are running a campaign for someone.


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 The incumbents have run out of gas. Their desperate groveling is becoming 
 sad. The ONEASBURY ticket is interesting. I think Quinn, Woerner and Crank 
 may be a bit young and idealistic. Perhaps another four years of seasoning 
 will get them there. But not now. Myra Campbell and John Mohr are very 
 respectable candidates. Honorable citizens of Asbury for many years. Sister 
 Rosetta Johnson's ticket I have to dismiss politically; not as upstanding 
 citizens. Where has Rosetta been the last four years. In 2009 she threw 
 together a ticket of amateurs to run with her and got beaten badly. And 
 Bruno, Henderson and Sanders were very beatable in 2009. Now, four years 
 later, she pulls the same thing, throwing together a ticket of political 
 neophytes at the last second. No money or organization. Its frankly an insult 
 to the electorate to think you can just jump in at the eleventh hour and 
 insist you're better than the others who have been working for months. Harold 
 and Randy are wasting our time running.The 'A Team' is targeting many of 
 Asbury's disaffected voters. And the fact there are so many people who feel 
 they are on the outside looking in tells you how bad the situation in this 
 city really is. A drive down Cookman does not address the myriad problems we 
 face. I didn't know any PhD's lived in town. To have a tenured professor from 
 Rutgers running for council is a feather in our caps. Dr. Hyland should be 
 elected by a landslide if people have any common sense. But sadly, this is 
 Asbury Park. We are totally stagnant. Change must come!







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[AsburyPark] Re: Do not raise money for CH - MM obligations

2013-03-27 Thread dfsavgny
my fb page

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Asbury-Park-Convention-Hall-Neglected-by-Madison-Marquette/267472413388659


my petition

http://www.change.org/petitions/madison-marquette-fix-asbury-park-convention-hall-or-get-out-of-town

I've been trying to convince well intentioned FB pages not to raise funds for 
the sprinklers. like these folks. I think I set them straight who are the bad 
guys here _ MM

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-The-Paramount-Theatre-and-Convention-Hall-in-Asbury-Park-NJ/441243575955294?ref=stream




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@... wrote:

 After a few hours of tweets directed at MM they have blocked me and
 protected their twitter profile
 
 Jus think if we can get the masses on board with this
 
 Has anyone discussed a peaceful demonstration at their doors on the
 boardwalk? A friend at NBC would love to cover a story like that
 
 We can not sit idlewe must take to MM
 
 Power in numbers folksthey dont want to spend moneywe can do this
 On Mar 25, 2013 12:10 PM, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
 
  **
 
 
 
  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-The-Paramount-Theatre-and-Convention-Hall-in-Asbury-Park-NJ/441243575955294?ref=stream
 
   
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: The only way to deal with a cold hearted company.......

2013-03-27 Thread dfsavgny

be upfront, who are you politicking for? I don't like hidden agendas. I think 
the current government has done fine and has over the past few years taken the 
tough stance that I have been preaching for years.

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 like Madison Marquette is through business negotiation with a team of 
 lawyers. You have to make them an offer. Is it worth their while to stay and 
 spend money...or go! That's it. I find it very curious that ever since 
 this council was re-elected in May of 2009.Madison Marquette has done 
 virtually nothing. Now is that just coincidence or is there something else 
 afoot? There is no transparency in city hall and I believe this undercurrent 
 of failed cooperation with MM has actually been going on for years. I have my 
 suspicions that it has to do with certain social issues in the eyes of 
 primarily Johnson and Mottola, but that's just conjecture. What is not 
 conjecture is the profound failure of this council, plus City Manager and 
 Commerce Director to move this city forward. They are in completely over 
 their heads trying to deal with heavyweights like iStar and MM. Tweets and 
 protest are a good start, but we need a new direction from city hall. This is 
 not working. Did anyone ever think, in their lifetime, Convention Hall would 
 be closed during the summer? Its time to start pointing fingers. This is a 
 dire situation.







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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The only way to deal with a cold hearted company.......

2013-03-27 Thread Brian Watkins
You didnt expect anything less this close to the election did you? :-)

I thought we'd hear from at least 5/6 anonymous political experts by now
On Mar 27, 2013 2:35 PM, dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **



 be upfront, who are you politicking for? I don't like hidden agendas. I
 think the current government has done fine and has over the past few years
 taken the tough stance that I have been preaching for years.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, ediththeelephant666
 ediththeelephant666@... wrote:
 
  like Madison Marquette is through business negotiation with a team of
 lawyers. You have to make them an offer. Is it worth their while to stay
 and spend money...or go! That's it. I find it very curious that ever
 since this council was re-elected in May of 2009.Madison Marquette has
 done virtually nothing. Now is that just coincidence or is there something
 else afoot? There is no transparency in city hall and I believe this
 undercurrent of failed cooperation with MM has actually been going on for
 years. I have my suspicions that it has to do with certain social issues in
 the eyes of primarily Johnson and Mottola, but that's just conjecture. What
 is not conjecture is the profound failure of this council, plus City
 Manager and Commerce Director to move this city forward. They are in
 completely over their heads trying to deal with heavyweights like iStar and
 MM. Tweets and protest are a good start, but we need a new direction from
 city hall. This is not working. Did anyone ever think, in their lifetime,
 Convention Hall would be closed during the summer? Its time to start
 pointing fingers. This is a dire situation.
 

  



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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Do not raise money for CH - MM obligations

2013-03-27 Thread Brian Watkins
Passing these along nowthanks Dan!
On Mar 27, 2013 2:34 PM, dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 my fb page


 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Asbury-Park-Convention-Hall-Neglected-by-Madison-Marquette/267472413388659

 my petition


 http://www.change.org/petitions/madison-marquette-fix-asbury-park-convention-hall-or-get-out-of-town

 I've been trying to convince well intentioned FB pages not to raise funds
 for the sprinklers. like these folks. I think I set them straight who are
 the bad guys here _ MM


 https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-The-Paramount-Theatre-and-Convention-Hall-in-Asbury-Park-NJ/441243575955294?ref=stream

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@...
 wrote:
 
  After a few hours of tweets directed at MM they have blocked me and
  protected their twitter profile
 
  Jus think if we can get the masses on board with this
 
  Has anyone discussed a peaceful demonstration at their doors on the
  boardwalk? A friend at NBC would love to cover a story like that
 
  We can not sit idlewe must take to MM
 
  Power in numbers folksthey dont want to spend moneywe can do this
  On Mar 25, 2013 12:10 PM, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
 
   **
  
  
  
  
 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-The-Paramount-Theatre-and-Convention-Hall-in-Asbury-Park-NJ/441243575955294?ref=stream
  
  
  
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread asburysteve
_Madison  Marquette: Without parking lots, Convention Hall’s future unclear 
‹ Asbury Park  Sun_ 
(http://asburyparksun.com/madison-marquette-without-parking-lots-convention-halls-future-unclear/)
  
 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread dfsavgny
MM wants to control forever lots they dont own and which are only interim uses 
under the plan. they also didnt want to share revenues and I could never see 
how we could allow paid lot compete with our meters, especially during the week 
in the summer when its cheaper than the streets.

MM has turned down offers for the Sunset Pavilion and the old Hot Sand space 
because they didnt want to do the bandshell. 

if you read this article, mottola (who is certifiable) throws everything but 
the kitchen sink as to WHY. Even Bamboozle, which is not even being held 
anywhere. And if that was any test of how this City could handle a large event, 
we passed.




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 ‹ Asbury Park  Sun_ 
 (http://asburyparksun.com/madison-marquette-without-parking-lots-convention-halls-future-unclear/)
   
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread Brian Watkins
Mottola is out of his mind.

I said this last week.they COULD make money from CH and the Theater if
they booked the right acts. Booking these Has-beens and never-were's wont
do it. I have never seen a bigger waste of venue before.

I know of 4 comparible venues in NJ that sell out 3-4 nights a week with
relevant acts.

This is a disaster.
On Mar 27, 2013 5:30 PM, dfsavgny dfsav...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 MM wants to control forever lots they dont own and which are only interim
 uses under the plan. they also didnt want to share revenues and I could
 never see how we could allow paid lot compete with our meters, especially
 during the week in the summer when its cheaper than the streets.

 MM has turned down offers for the Sunset Pavilion and the old Hot Sand
 space because they didnt want to do the bandshell.

 if you read this article, mottola (who is certifiable) throws everything
 but the kitchen sink as to WHY. Even Bamboozle, which is not even being
 held anywhere. And if that was any test of how this City could handle a
 large event, we passed.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@... wrote:
 
  _Madison Marquette: Without parking lots, Convention Hall’s future
 unclear
  ‹ Asbury Park Sun_
  (
 http://asburyparksun.com/madison-marquette-without-parking-lots-convention-halls-future-unclear/)

 
 
 
 
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread dfsavgny
You could make money in CH as a wedding hall if you wanted to. It would be 
booked year round

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 Mottola is out of his mind.
 
 I said this last week.they COULD make money from CH and the Theater if
 they booked the right acts. Booking these Has-beens and never-were's wont
 do it. I have never seen a bigger waste of venue before.
 
 I know of 4 comparible venues in NJ that sell out 3-4 nights a week with
 relevant acts.
 
 





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[AsburyPark] A Poor Match

2013-03-27 Thread wernerapnj
Good to see the group come back to life...

Several posters have noticed that perhaps MM has not managed the ConHall in the 
best way. I agree, and will add it is becoming evident the business model of MM 
and the needs of Asbury Park are not a good match.

A look at MM as a company and the projects they engage in shows they are very 
experienced with retail shopping malls, which are the core of their business. 
Residential development appears to be secondary only as a means to create 
retail traffic by way of 'shoppers' in close proximity. lifestyle Centers is 
the buzz word.

While this business model would seem to fit the current redevelopment plan as 
adopted - it is failing since the 3000+ condos have never become a reality - 
which they should have at this point in the project timeline. It has been 10 
years of --- redevelopment?

This may be a blessing for Asbury Park since the adopted plan has never been 
appropriate for Asbury Park - which I have been saying for the past decade. The 
Plan needs to be amended to address our strength, that of a heritage, 
entertainment, resort destination.

Which brings us to the ConHall (and Casino, Pavilions, Hotels, etc). MM has no 
experience, that I can find, managing entertainment venues such as the 
Paramount and ConHall. It is no surprise that they are under utilized - it does 
not fit their business model. Nor does the remnants of the Casino

In addition - being a National Historic Site brings its own set of assets and 
responsibilities which they have difficulty dealing with.

A large scale shift must be adopted by MM and iStar to embrace development of a 
historic year round entertainment destination. That is what Asbury Park needs 
and is designed for.

Shopping and residential uses should be a secondary consideration.

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Re: [AsburyPark] A Poor Match

2013-03-27 Thread Brian Watkins
As alwayswell said Wernerwell said.
On Mar 27, 2013 6:44 PM, wernerapnj wernera...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 Good to see the group come back to life...

 Several posters have noticed that perhaps MM has not managed the ConHall
 in the best way. I agree, and will add it is becoming evident the business
 model of MM and the needs of Asbury Park are not a good match.

 A look at MM as a company and the projects they engage in shows they are
 very experienced with retail shopping malls, which are the core of their
 business. Residential development appears to be secondary only as a means
 to create retail traffic by way of 'shoppers' in close proximity.
 lifestyle Centers is the buzz word.

 While this business model would seem to fit the current redevelopment plan
 as adopted - it is failing since the 3000+ condos have never become a
 reality - which they should have at this point in the project timeline. It
 has been 10 years of --- redevelopment?

 This may be a blessing for Asbury Park since the adopted plan has never
 been appropriate for Asbury Park - which I have been saying for the past
 decade. The Plan needs to be amended to address our strength, that of a
 heritage, entertainment, resort destination.

 Which brings us to the ConHall (and Casino, Pavilions, Hotels, etc). MM
 has no experience, that I can find, managing entertainment venues such as
 the Paramount and ConHall. It is no surprise that they are under utilized -
 it does not fit their business model. Nor does the remnants of the Casino

 In addition - being a National Historic Site brings its own set of assets
 and responsibilities which they have difficulty dealing with.

 A large scale shift must be adopted by MM and iStar to embrace development
 of a historic year round entertainment destination. That is what Asbury
 Park needs and is designed for.

 Shopping and residential uses should be a secondary consideration.

 Werner
 City Historian in Exle

  



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[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread oakdorf
From  a FB post...

I advise everyone to not take part in this...This is a sensitive issue and it 
is between the developers and the city. Please everyone...Sit tight..There are 
too many rumours and viscious lies going on...I know...Lance and I have been 
here since the begining of the development and the public is not aware of the 
work, time and effort on that has gone into this development by Madison 
Marquette

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:

 MM wants to control forever lots they dont own and which are only interim 
 uses under the plan. they also didnt want to share revenues and I could never 
 see how we could allow paid lot compete with our meters, especially during 
 the week in the summer when its cheaper than the streets.
 
 MM has turned down offers for the Sunset Pavilion and the old Hot Sand space 
 because they didnt want to do the bandshell. 
 
 if you read this article, mottola (who is certifiable) throws everything but 
 the kitchen sink as to WHY. Even Bamboozle, which is not even being held 
 anywhere. And if that was any test of how this City could handle a large 
 event, we passed.
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@ wrote:
 
  _Madison  Marquette: Without parking lots, Convention Hall’s future 
  unclear 
  ‹ Asbury Park  Sun_ 
  (http://asburyparksun.com/madison-marquette-without-parking-lots-convention-halls-future-unclear/)

   
   
   
   
   
  Steve Herman,  610 Sewall Ave
  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread Brian Watkins
Work time and effort? Is that guy serious?
On Mar 27, 2013 8:53 PM, oakdorf oakd...@yahoo.com wrote:

 **


 From a FB post...

 I advise everyone to not take part in this...This is a sensitive issue and
 it is between the developers and the city. Please everyone...Sit
 tight..There are too many rumours and viscious lies going on...I
 know...Lance and I have been here since the begining of the development and
 the public is not aware of the work, time and effort on that has gone into
 this development by Madison Marquette

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote:
 
  MM wants to control forever lots they dont own and which are only
 interim uses under the plan. they also didnt want to share revenues and I
 could never see how we could allow paid lot compete with our meters,
 especially during the week in the summer when its cheaper than the streets.
 
  MM has turned down offers for the Sunset Pavilion and the old Hot Sand
 space because they didnt want to do the bandshell.
 
  if you read this article, mottola (who is certifiable) throws everything
 but the kitchen sink as to WHY. Even Bamboozle, which is not even being
 held anywhere. And if that was any test of how this City could handle a
 large event, we passed.
 
 
 
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@ wrote:
  
   _Madison Marquette: Without parking lots, Convention Hall’s future
 unclear
   ‹ Asbury Park Sun_
   (
 http://asburyparksun.com/madison-marquette-without-parking-lots-convention-halls-future-unclear/)

  
  
  
  
  
   Steve Herman, 610 Sewall Ave
  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Check out Madison Marquette: Without parking lots,

2013-03-27 Thread oakdorf
I should say that was from a FB post by Debbie Delisa - i copied the first part 
of her post.  Granted when they took the WB - it was a boarded up grey 
shell.

And MM did come in and clean up Fishman's mess - but then they signed up to do 
business with the City. MM also managed to finish up Wesley Grove... and the 
paramount and and and... 

$20 on the weekend and special events... 

the pony is more profitable to hold events outdoors... 



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Brian Watkins cbrianwatkins@... wrote:

 Work time and effort? Is that guy serious?
 On Mar 27, 2013 8:53 PM, oakdorf oakdorf@... wrote:
 
  **
 
 
  From a FB post...
 
  I advise everyone to not take part in this...This is a sensitive issue and
  it is between the developers and the city. Please everyone...Sit
  tight..There are too many rumours and viscious lies going on...I
  know...Lance and I have been here since the begining of the development and
  the public is not aware of the work, time and effort on that has gone into
  this development by Madison Marquette
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
   MM wants to control forever lots they dont own and which are only
  interim uses under the plan. they also didnt want to share revenues and I
  could never see how we could allow paid lot compete with our meters,
  especially during the week in the summer when its cheaper than the streets.
  
   MM has turned down offers for the Sunset Pavilion and the old Hot Sand
  space because they didnt want to do the bandshell.
  
   if you read this article, mottola (who is certifiable) throws everything
  but the kitchen sink as to WHY. Even Bamboozle, which is not even being
  held anywhere. And if that was any test of how this City could handle a
  large event, we passed.
  
  
  
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburysteve@ wrote:
   
_Madison Marquette: Without parking lots, Convention Hall’s future
  unclear
‹ Asbury Park Sun_
(
  http://asburyparksun.com/madison-marquette-without-parking-lots-convention-halls-future-unclear/)
 
   
   
   
   
   
Steve Herman, 610 Sewall Ave
   
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[AsburyPark] Pizza

2013-03-27 Thread oakdorf
Pizza can someone sell pizza on the boardwalkweirdest thing. 







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