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Frank, When I read this in the paper, I was very confused. 1. When did the City Council begin speaking for the BOE? 2. Since you ALL are ELECTED, separately, (2 elections), by the Citizens of AP, are SEPARATE entities, budgets, etc., where the Council, is more geared toward municipal government, garbage pickup, street sweeping, law enforcement, salaries for municipal workers, etc. When citizens complain to the Council, are they legally able to intercede? They administer 1 aspect of governance, where your group attends to the educational needs of this community. I never thought that the Council would be so dead set against this BOE! What was I thinking? Sorry, if I'm behind a little. Been offline for a few days attending to other business. Tell me, who OWNS, this building, the city or the school board. Why was the original board building sold, to the developer and who got the proceeds? How are they able to sell a public parcel? Again, who got the proceeds? Why was the present building, sold out from under you guys, again, literally tossing the board into the street, like a deadbeat tenant, which you and the board certainly aren't; I just don't get it. You don't win friends of forge partnerships, by doing so. There I go thinking, again! Sharon --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. I actually feel the same way about the lack of communication. How in the world would the BOE know what the council was up to especially with respect to the Braverman building when just a week previous, council members were quoted as saying that the building they were negotiating for was in the Redevelopment Zone? Mr. Bruno was quoted as saying that the developers probably would want something in return for taking that building out the zone (maybe extra floors for their luxury condos, etc.) How's this for chutzpah: years ago the council condemned the BOE administration building (public property) to hand it over to private developer and felon Kushner without so much as consulting the Board. For what it is worth, this is my recollection of last week's council meeting. (For health reasons I do not go to council meetings. The only reason I attended this one was because I had visited Werner in the county jail that afternoon and hoped to speak to people who would be at the council meeting. I also considered speaking about the treatment of Werner at the public comment portion of the meeting. That became moot when I left the meeting abruptly.) Monday, September 10, 2007 I was at the Asbury Park City Council meeting of Wednesday, September 5, 2007. I arrived shortly after 7 PM. The 6 PM Workshop meeting was still going on when I arrived. Toward the end of that Workshop meeting (about 8 PM), Councilman Loffredo announced to the people in the meeting, including many senior citizens present who were prepared to submit a petition to the council concerning the lack of progress in the 5-year search for a permanent Senior Center, that he had good news. Mr. Loffredo said that the city was acquiring the Braverman Building as the new Senior Center. Since I had been involved along with the Board of Ed President Robert DiSanto and the Superintendent of Schools at the time, Dr. Lewis, I was shocked to hear Mr. Loffredo say that since I knew that was the same building which the now-defunct SCC had bought for the Board of Ed to be torn down and replaced with a state of the art Early Childhood Learning Center. We had been working on the plans for many years, and the only thing that prevented further progress was the fact that the SCC had run out of money. When Mr. Loffredo made his announcement, there was a cheer from the senior citizens present. At that time, I went over to one of the Senior leaders, Mrs. Marianne Kisloski, and explained that this was the property that was supposed to house the ECLC. I expressed my displeasure that the Council seemed to be pitting one group against the other by making this announcement, when no more than a week previous, it had been announced that the building for which the Council was negotiating was in the Redevelopment Zone (about a half mile away from the Braverman Building), and according to the deputy Mayor, the negotiations had to be secret and the Developers would have to be in on the negotiations as well as the unnamed building's owners since they would probably want something in return for the taking a building out of that zone. Here it was a
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Sounds too easy! Sorry, I just had to chirp in! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --maybe whomever sent that letter is the same who called in Werner's body. This is classic. There's so much room to build new in AP and improve and serve, yet they spent a ton to aquire a building that has to e knocked down. Real interesting. While Long Branch and Neptune managed to empty the SCC funds of over $300 million, AP got zip. Wonder why. (note no question mark) See Frank Run. Run Frank Run. It's a one horse town. One thought process. How about the seniors take up space, that the city can pay for, in Asbury Towers? Or they can get a couple penthouses at the Seville. $2m and they get 2 units around 4,000 sq ft, ocean view etc. Be cheaper then anything the city would ever come up. Get ocean views, bathrooms, game room, gym, little tiny pool, card room Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You don't see the entire picture. The schools aren't overcrowded! There are only 17 kids in my grand-daughter's class at Thurgood Marshall. She's in the Apogee Program, so I don't know if all of the classes are like that. I see 3 buses pulling up everyday, also, transporting the kids, from the West Side. I'm the Grandma, with her hand on her hip, every day! Thanks Frank! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. What I do see is one entire school pulled out of the system this year however life goes on. Are the classrooms overcrowed? Or has enrollement droped so far that one school is not needed. If that is the case, the board of Ed could move there and have pre school classes. - Original Message From: asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:35:38 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building. Baloney. Frank Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, When I read this in the paper, I was very confused. 1. When did the City Council begin speaking for the BOE? 2. Since you ALL are ELECTED, separately, (2 elections), by the Citizens of AP, are SEPARATE entities, budgets, etc., where the Council, is more geared toward municipal government, garbage pickup, street sweeping, law enforcement, salaries for municipal workers, etc. When citizens complain to the Council, are they legally able to intercede? They administer 1 aspect of governance, where your group attends to the educational needs of this community. I never thought that the Council would be so dead set against this BOE! What was I thinking? Hi Sharon and Group, The only thing I can say is that the Council may have been conflating two completely different issues. (I'm trying to give them the benefit of a doubt.) They are confusing our vital and long overdue need for an Early Childhood Learning Center with the controversy over where the Administration Building will be now that we are being evicted due to the council's condemnation of the present administration building. Those are two separate, mutually exclusive things. The ECLC is to be built on the Braverman Building site which the SCC bought in 2005 for the BOE to be used for that purpose only. Although the SCC ran out of money, the project was never abandoned. As a matter of fact, our very excellent Early Childhood Supervisor, Nancy Sterling, has been working continuously with the State Dept. of Education to make certain that when the SCC (now called the State Development Authority) gets the necessary funding again, the most up-to-date facility will be built there for our little ones. There are some folks out there who claim that the present situation of little preschools all over the city is good enough. Meanwhile the young people of Neptune and Long Branch have absolute state of the art facilities. Our kids are at a huge competitive disadvantage. That is not to say that the present preschools and the staffs are not good. It's just that we need to end the preschool diaspora now and require a state of the art, 21st century education for these kids. When that happens, it will filter up to all the upper grades as well and inure to the benefit of the entire city. Why the children of Asbury Park are not entitled to the same advantages as the kids from Neptune, Long Branch, or anywhere else has to be explained to me. The parents of Asbury Park have been too patient; they and we should demand that ECLC now. So I ask people not to confuse the controversy over the so-called Brookdale building with the vital plans we have for the Braverman building property. Regardless of what some council members or the city manager may have either said or implied, the BOE never, never gave any indication to the state that we were no longer interested in the Braverman site. That would be yet another tragedy for this city. I sincerely hope that this episode does not cause any further delay in getting that Early Childhood Learning Center built. It is extremely vital to the survival of this city as a viable entity. In my opinion, and I do not speak for the Board in any of this, the city council needs to stop stringing the senior citizens along like they have been doing for five years now. As late as last month, they claimed they were negotiating for a building in the redevelopment zone. It is an open secret as to what building they were talking about. Someone needs to ask them to 'fess up to the fact that no real negotiations were transpiring at all. Their hopping aboard the Braverman Building thing can only serve to continue their pie in the sky by and by dance with the seniors at the same time that they pull the rug out from under the BOE. Again in my opinion, they owe the seniors a huge apology for cynically lifting their hopes once again only to have them cruelly dashed. How many times and for how many years can they get the Seniors to believe them? Frank (I once was lost but now I'm found) D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It is amazing. For the last 3 years I have been trying to build a bridge between the BOE and the City Council and The Manager. It is unfortunate that some board members do not want this bridge to be built. Using one rateable for two entities is a fantastic plan.?Considering the way our?taxes are, we do not need to be taking?parcels off the tax roles when we can utilize one parcel of land for a multi community complex. The tax payers are suffering enough. How much more can we afford? We need to start consolidating. Garrett Giberson Jr. -Original Message- From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 9:34 pm Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. Sorry Frank, but Alan must be reading my mind. I just read in the coaster that the BOE is paying $16,OOO PER MONTH for rent. Was that a TYP? How much space is there? How is all that to be used? Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
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Garrett Giberson Jr. And if you can't do it...then who can? Say hi to pops for me. A good guy. Actually ALL BOE's should become part of the town or city which, in most parts of NJ other then 31 or 32, funds it. And BOE's which dont have a school or only a small school don't need a superintendet and support staff. Consoldiate. It's the real world. Tell me this, how MUCH DOES IT COST the boe attorney to talk to the CITY ATTORNEY?? Let's see the billing for this lastest fisasco. I was in AP today, at Welsey. One of these days, I'll move to AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. I actually feel the same way about the lack of communication. How in the world would the BOE know what the council was up to especially with respect to the Braverman building when just a week previous, council members were quoted as saying that the building they were negotiating for was in the Redevelopment Zone? Mr. Bruno was quoted as saying that the developers probably would want something in return for taking that building out the zone (maybe extra floors for their luxury condos, etc.) How's this for chutzpah: years ago the council condemned the BOE administration building (public property) to hand it over to private developer and felon Kushner without so much as consulting the Board. For what it is worth, this is my recollection of last week's council meeting. (For health reasons I do not go to council meetings. The only reason I attended this one was because I had visited Werner in the county jail that afternoon and hoped to speak to people who would be at the council meeting. I also considered speaking about the treatment of Werner at the public comment portion of the meeting. That became moot when I left the meeting abruptly.) Monday, September 10, 2007 I was at the Asbury Park City Council meeting of Wednesday, September 5, 2007. I arrived shortly after 7 PM. The 6 PM Workshop meeting was still going on when I arrived. Toward the end of that Workshop meeting (about 8 PM), Councilman Loffredo announced to the people in the meeting, including many senior citizens present who were prepared to submit a petition to the council concerning the lack of progress in the 5-year search for a permanent Senior Center, that he had good news. Mr. Loffredo said that the city was acquiring the Braverman Building as the new Senior Center. Since I had been involved along with the Board of Ed President Robert DiSanto and the Superintendent of Schools at the time, Dr. Lewis, I was shocked to hear Mr. Loffredo say that since I knew that was the same building which the now-defunct SCC had bought for the Board of Ed to be torn down and replaced with a state of the art Early Childhood Learning Center. We had been working on the plans for many years, and the only thing that prevented further progress was the fact that the SCC had run out of money. When Mr. Loffredo made his announcement, there was a cheer from the senior citizens present. At that time, I went over to one of the Senior leaders, Mrs. Marianne Kisloski, and explained that this was the property that was supposed to house the ECLC. I expressed my displeasure that the Council seemed to be pitting one group against the other by making this announcement, when no more than a week previous, it had been announced that the building for which the Council was negotiating was in the Redevelopment Zone (about a half mile away from the Braverman Building), and according to the deputy Mayor, the negotiations had to be secret and the Developers would have to be in on the negotiations as well as the unnamed building's owners since they would probably want something in return for the taking a building out of that zone. Here it was a week later and the building now being acquired was nowhere near the redevelopment zone. When that Workshop meeting ended and there was a short recess, I asked the reporter for the Asbury Park Press, Ms. Nancy Shields, if she had heard what I had heard. She said she did, and at that point I approached the City Manager, Mr. Terry Reidy, for an explanation. I prefaced my remarks by saying that this was yet another instance of the Council refusing to communicate with the BOE that would cause a huge problem, like they did when they condemned the BOE's Administration building without so much as consulting with the BOE. I said they were now creating a conflict between the Seniors and the kids, and the BOE would be made to be the villains. At that point he said that he knew that the BOE had sent a letter to the State saying we were no longer interested in the Braverman Building as an ECLC! I reminded him that I was a member of the BOE, was involved in the discussions about the building including having commented on renderings of the proposed facility, in which way the new building should be oriented (the Braverman building was parallel to the railroad tracks), where the drop-off for the buses would be, etc., etc. I told him I wanted to see a copy of the letter he was talking about. At that point (about 8:15 PM), the so-called 7 PM regular meeting was gaveled to order. I was so upset
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. PS I neglected to state above that I DO NOT SPEAK FOR THE ASBURY PARK BOE. I speak only as one of nine board members. I apologize for not including that disclaimer in my previous long statement. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--maybe whomever sent that letter is the same who called in Werner's body. This is classic. There's so much room to build new in AP and improve and serve, yet they spent a ton to aquire a building that has to e knocked down. Real interesting. While Long Branch and Neptune managed to empty the SCC funds of over $300 million, AP got zip. Wonder why. (note no question mark) See Frank Run. Run Frank Run. It's a one horse town. One thought process. How about the seniors take up space, that the city can pay for, in Asbury Towers? Or they can get a couple penthouses at the Seville. $2m and they get 2 units around 4,000 sq ft, ocean view etc. Be cheaper then anything the city would ever come up. Get ocean views, bathrooms, game room, gym, little tiny pool, card room Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. Next take that money to renovate and clean the Bang school building. You can use that for the preschool and the borad of ed offices. This not only fixes the problems but would also reduce costs becuase you would not need to lease office space. Could it be this simple? - Original Message From: asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:57:18 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: REad today's press on the school board, pre-k, board offices etc etc. Only in AP no one knows what the other wants to do. And the state paid $5.2m for the building which has sat empty. SOS. Go Frank Go. See Frank Go. Go Frank Go. Make sense out of it. I actually feel the same way about the lack of communication. How in the world would the BOE know what the council was up to especially with respect to the Braverman building when just a week previous, council members were quoted as saying that the building they were negotiating for was in the Redevelopment Zone? Mr. Bruno was quoted as saying that the developers probably would want something in return for taking that building out the zone (maybe extra floors for their luxury condos, etc.) How's this for chutzpah: years ago the council condemned the BOE administration building (public property) to hand it over to private developer and felon Kushner without so much as consulting the Board. For what it is worth, this is my recollection of last week's council meeting. (For health reasons I do not go to council meetings. The only reason I attended this one was because I had visited Werner in the county jail that afternoon and hoped to speak to people who would be at the council meeting. I also considered speaking about the treatment of Werner at the public comment portion of the meeting. That became moot when I left the meeting abruptly.) Monday, September 10, 2007 I was at the Asbury Park City Council meeting of Wednesday, September 5, 2007. I arrived shortly after 7 PM. The 6 PM Workshop meeting was still going on when I arrived. Toward the end of that Workshop meeting (about 8 PM), Councilman Loffredo announced to the people in the meeting, including many senior citizens present who were prepared to submit a petition to the council concerning the lack of progress in the 5-year search for a permanent Senior Center, that he had good news. Mr. Loffredo said that the city was acquiring the Braverman Building as the new Senior Center. Since I had been involved along with the Board of Ed President Robert DiSanto and the Superintendent of Schools at the time, Dr. Lewis, I was shocked to hear Mr. Loffredo say that since I knew that was the same building which the now-defunct SCC had bought for the Board of Ed to be torn down and replaced with a state of the art Early Childhood Learning Center. We had been working on the plans for many years, and the only thing that prevented further progress was the fact that the SCC had run out of money. When Mr. Loffredo made his announcement, there was a cheer from the senior citizens present. At that time, I went over to one of the Senior leaders, Mrs. Marianne Kisloski, and explained that this was the property that was supposed to house the ECLC. I expressed my displeasure that the Council seemed to be pitting one group against the other by making this announcement, when no more than a week previous, it had been announced that the building for which the Council was negotiating was in the Redevelopment Zone (about a half mile away from the Braverman Building), and according to the deputy Mayor, the negotiations had to be secret and the Developers would have to be in on the negotiations as well as the unnamed building's owners since they would probably want something in return for the taking a building out of that zone. Here it was a week later and the building now being acquired was nowhere near the redevelopment zone. When that Workshop meeting ended and there was a short recess, I asked the reporter for the Asbury Park Press, Ms. Nancy Shields, if she had heard what I had heard. She said she did, and at that point I approached the City Manager, Mr. Terry Reidy, for an explanation. I prefaced my remarks by saying that this was yet another instance of the Council refusing to communicate with the BOE that would cause a huge problem, like they did when they condemned the BOE's Administration building without so much as consulting with the BOE. I said they were now creating a conflict between the Seniors and the kids, and the BOE would be made to be the villains. At that point he said that he knew that the BOE had sent a letter to the State saying we were no longer
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. Perhaps you missed the detail of the State having purchased the Baverman site. It is not owned my the Board of ED. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the Braverman building 601 Grand Ave., the now vacant building where the Brookdale Annex was until a few weeks ago? == No, Its the grey cube on Memorial Drive. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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so the city buys the building from the state, the state funds the board of ed, so maybe the state loans the board the money to renovate and the movey saved from the lease, go to repay the loan. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:29:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. = = = = = = == Perhaps you missed the detail of the State having purchased the Baverman site. It is not owned my the Board of ED. Werner Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building. Baloney. Frank Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so the city buys the building from the state, the state funds the board of ed, so maybe the state loans the board the money to renovate and the movey (sic) saved from the lease, go to repay the loan. More baloney. Maybe you should tell that to the folks who have been working on this for years while the council tries to pull the rug from under them in one week. Maybe you should pay these folks yourself for the plans you want to scuttle. Frank D'A. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. What I do see is one entire school pulled out of the system this year however life goes on. Are the classrooms overcrowed? Or has enrollement droped so far that one school is not needed. If that is the case, the board of Ed could move there and have pre school classes. - Original Message From: asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:35:38 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ ... wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building. Baloney. Frank Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
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Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. Sorry Frank, but Alan must be reading my mind. I just read in the coaster that the BOE is paying $16,OOO PER MONTH for rent. Was that a TYP? How much space is there? How is all that to be used? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Sounds like the borad of ed does not need this building and a senior facility is needed. Board of Ed is currently running without 1 school. So use that. Sell the Braverman building to the city. Perhaps you missed the detail of the State having purchased the Baverman site. It is not owned my the Board of ED. Werner when did the state buy it? was it removed from the citys tax rolls? whos colleecting the rent for the methadone and other clinics? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
Amazing isn't it. I believe the problem come from the lack of accountability. Most the the funding for Asbury education come from the state. If the reddents were flipping the bill, they would be all over this. What is sad it is the students who suffer as well as the town. - Original Message From: oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:34:13 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and... Maybe I don't see the entire picture here. Sorry Frank, but Alan must be reading my mind. I just read in the coaster that the BOE is paying $16,OOO PER MONTH for rent. Was that a TYP? How much space is there? How is all that to be used? Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
[AsburyPark] Re: City, Board of Ed, the State and...
If the reddents were flipping the bill, they would be all over this. What is sad it is the students who suffer as well as the town. I've been preaching this for years... on this board. The town picks up less then 15% or less of the total cost to run the schools. Other towns it's 85% or more. Even Long Branch is getting uppped to over 20%at least I think these numbers are close. Long Branch has built themselves some educational palaces. I;m sure Frank could be more accurate on these numbers because I haven't looked in awhile. That's why the state funding mechanisms for school repaurs and building went bankrupt, to use a real world word. Mismanagement, spending like they won the lottery, designs like they build corporate Headquarters (another who cares approach, because it's fake money..) When you go home and walk in your kitchen or bathroom, most of us might say I'd love to redo it but just don't have the money. Yet, you buy a lottery ticket and think IF I win, then I will remodel. The school spending is or has been like winning he lottery. Granted, some ways of the past had to be corrected, but the spending was like pouring a tanker truck of fuel on a pile of money and tossing a match. Now you have: 1. Empty scholol building. And, as allen pointed out, life will go on with the relocation of students. 2. YOu have another building (Braverman) that state overpaid for that might not be used for anything - or might be knocked down or rehabbed at probably 3 times the cost of the purchase price and cost to build new. 3. A board of ed that has to lease, in my opinion, costly space. But that;s ok, because the state rubber stamped it. Meanwhile, you have a stretch of springwood that sits empty and would actually make a nice spot for a school, park and playground. A strip fo stores and apartments isn';t really needed there. You;d ahve to find tenants for the stores. YOu have a whole strip across the street looking for tenants. There was.is an existing school building in eatontown, 7 acres, 26 classrooms, offices, main gym, smaller gym, lockers, 8,000 q ft of storage. It could be purchased for $5,3million and you can walk in and teach. THIS is what the real world is. The braverman building offers no land unless oyou knock it down. Jsut BURN the money. Maybe you should put out to vote to let MM just takeover the enitre city, let them do what they want. Let them control the budgets and all. Main Street, Asbury Ave, Springwood, Sunset, Deal Lake, Wesley Lake... Hey, it worked in Florida for Disney World. Aobut time the council and BOE AND the state work together, not trying to outdo each other. A real joke at the expense of the STATE tax payer. End the Abbott failure today. Not that folks aren't trying, but it ain't working. To those BOE members that are piuching their way through best of luck. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
