Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity?
In this resurrection list of long-gone AP music venues, shouldn't The Pillow Talk have some mention. It was on Cookman Ave, within a block of the Lyric theater. From _http://tinyurl.com/56ao9o_ (http://tinyurl.com/56ao9o) , which is worth a click if only for the pictures of the teen scene from that era. It's a MySpace site for an old Long Branch band called the Inmates: Clubs like Asbury Park's The Pillow Talk, The Student Prince, The UpStage Club , the TEEN-D-VOUSThe Jersey shore Teen Scene was extensive enough to have it's own fanzine based out of Allenhurst, only a handful of prized copies still exist. In a message dated 8/24/2008 5:46:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was the Pone Stoney (thats how you would say it after a few) for me. I was never at Vinyl. I was friends with the Albanos to. I think the son Jay had Blondies on Main Street? But to correctly put a date on me, I was never at the Student Prince. During my hoppin' days it was Club Xanadu. It was pretty cool because the one side was the dance club (where the Circuit Bar is today) and the other side was the Rock n Roll room (where Cruisin is today). They only other place I can remember in Asbury having a dance room and a rock room was the old Park Place (which burned). I can't place quite where it was. Third Ave maybe? That was the first nightclub I ever snuck into in High School. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oak you hung at the Clover Club? You are dyed in the wool old school Asbury, man! Thank God there were no cell phone cameras or YouTube back then. Keep on eye on more youtube vids being posted...you may get caught in some grainy flick. So for you - did the Pony mean the Pony or Vinyl. The Jefferson...I must of been there righjt next to you. Owned by Tony Albano - his daughter(s) and I were pretty great friends. He also owned the Sand n Sea DISCO (Net Lanes fisherman). At the Clover...there was an old italian guy at the bar who would tell more about biz then any college. He owned bars and body shops - ..two things that people with no money need...A car that runs and a drink after pay day... So the point at where does the Pony belong - in the casino or not or where it i today Bring back the sunshine. Bring back Mrs. Jays outdoor beer garden. I can imagine a pretty cool exterior of the casino - the front of the Pony, the front of the old Jays a pol hall called the 'Digger..or the Student Prince.. there's probably more ticket stubs and posters with Bruce at the Student Prince then the Ponyso what's right? What'd right today is the weather. It's been right all summer,. As far as the boardwalk being better today then it was yesterday - yep. And it will better tomorrow. On the beach in deal yesterday - a couple from deal were talking about eh birthday party their daughter (5) is having today. At Asbury Boardwalk - their playing mini golf, then doing something with the bikes and going for candy and then the beach. So we might go down and walk around and go to the beach. So... the net effect? 20 kids going to a party in Asbury. The parents going to the beach. I'd guess a fewa few merchants benefit from just ONE birthday party and at least least 20 more families here about it. Come to Asbury. Spend 24 hours and a couple $. You'll enjoy it. I was thinking of some slogans like that last night. Yahoo! Groups Links **It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv000547)
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this resurrection list of long-gone AP music venues, shouldn't The Pillow Talk have some mention. It was on Cookman Ave, within a block of the Lyric theater. Pillow Talk? I never heard of that one. You are one old-school Asbury dude, Mario. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking to some people the other day about the old bar scene days. I was rock n roll through and through, played in bands and made fun of disco. Then one day a Syrian kid from Deal said to me, You like girls, right? Come with me tonght to some discos. When I walked in and saw all those girls dancing in spandex and halter tops, high heels and make-up, I put down the guitar and bought some Capezio shoes and silk shirts and spent the next few years at the Disco Danny bars. And just when/It hit me/Somebody turned around, and shouted Play that funky music, white boy! ... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You should get together with Werner. Your comments are too similiar. - Original Message From: New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:35:27 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, nobepeymay nobepeymay@ ... wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: I laid back for a while to see where the talk would go to. Why is it that any mention of making things better is usually flagged as a complaint? I always though that being critical of things tends to make them better. Agreed on this point...but as I read on I see negativity in your post rather than contructive critcism. Will everyone love all aspects of the redevelopment. ...of course not. = = = = = = == You seem to be overly positive and optimistic; going with the flow to be part of the party perhaps? You keep talking about the past year in your prior posts; is that the extent of your view about what has gone on? I've read about all the great things supposed to be happening since 2000. By my count its now 7 years later and very little has been accomplished in that time. (talking about the oceanfront) Ok you want things with a positive spin: (some issues people are talking about) Wouldnt it be better if the Porta-Potties were gone? Wouldnt it be better if there were real rest rooms? Wouldnt it be better if the bandstand building were correctly restored? Wouldnt it be better if freight containers wre not used as buildings? Wouldnt it be better if roofs didn't have airconditioners all over them? Wouldnt it be better if that unfinished foundation were not there? Wouldnt it be better if flood lights were not all over the place? Wouldnt it be better if the organ were working Wouldnt it be better if traffic flow was different? Wouldnt it be better if it lived up to the hype being put out for the last 7 years? How about some positive criticisms from you instead of just going along with everything? Fine if your happy with the way things are. I was/am disappointed as are others apparantly.
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Oak you hung at the Clover Club? You are dyed in the wool old school Asbury, man! I went a few times but my small bar neighborhood hangs were either the Jefferson or the 5th Avenue Tavern (mostly Jefferson). Wasn't in Clover much. All those motorcycles outside the Clover Club could be a little intimidating. Even though I knew Bam Bam since we were little so he would never bother me, if he was in a place you just knew there gonna be some trouble so that was another reason not to go. Jefferson was fun it got packed between 2 and 3 when the rest of the bars closed. I was talking to some people the other day about the old bar scene days. I was rock n roll through and through, played in bands and made fun of disco. Then one day a Syrian kid from Deal said to me, You like girls, right? Come with me tonght to some discos. When I walked in and saw all those girls dancing in spandex and halter tops, high heels and make-up, I put down the guitar and bought some Capezio shoes and silk shirts and spent the next few years at the Disco Danny bars. Thank God there were no cell phone cameras or YouTube back then. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote: I didn't know the building was ever anything other then The Saint. Hmmm... This could explain the neon clover over the door? It was more then that. It was THE place to go when you looked old enough. It's historic as well for many reasons. Like Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Ocean Twp kids. 2 for 1 Rum and cokes, flaming shots...the bayonne girls... lots of good times..kamikzi by the pitchers.. Let's see if Tommy D can come up with the owner / b-tender name. Clover Club before the Saint. My Pontiac Catalina died out there. I tried to put the air filter cover back on at 2 am on the wing nut fell into the carb. I thought it would make it back home to wanamassa. The wing nut found its way down into the engine and seized it up There's another 100 Clover Club stories better Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak you hung at the Clover Club? You are dyed in the wool old school Asbury, man! Thank God there were no cell phone cameras or YouTube back then. Keep on eye on more youtube vids being posted...you may get caught in some grainy flick. So for you - did the Pony mean the Pony or Vinyl. The Jefferson...I must of been there righjt next to you. Owned by Tony Albano - his daughter(s) and I were pretty great friends. He also owned the Sand n Sea DISCO (Net Lanes fisherman). At the Clover...there was an old italian guy at the bar who would tell more about biz then any college. He owned bars and body shops - ..two things that people with no money need...A car that runs and a drink after pay day... So the point at where does the Pony belong - in the casino or not or where it i today Bring back the sunshine. Bring back Mrs. Jays outdoor beer garden. I can imagine a pretty cool exterior of the casino - the front of the Pony, the front of the old Jays a pol hall called the 'Digger..or the Student Prince.. there's probably more ticket stubs and posters with Bruce at the Student Prince then the Ponyso what's right? What'd right today is the weather. It's been right all summer,. As far as the boardwalk being better today then it was yesterday - yep. And it will better tomorrow. On the beach in deal yesterday - a couple from deal were talking about eh birthday party their daughter (5) is having today. At Asbury Boardwalk - their playing mini golf, then doing something with the bikes and going for candy and then the beach. So we might go down and walk around and go to the beach. So... the net effect? 20 kids going to a party in Asbury. The parents going to the beach. I'd guess a fewa few merchants benefit from just ONE birthday party and at least least 20 more families here about it. Come to Asbury. Spend 24 hours and a couple $. You'll enjoy it. I was thinking of some slogans like that last night. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It was the Pone Stoney (thats how you would say it after a few) for me. I was never at Vinyl. I was friends with the Albanos to. I think the son Jay had Blondies on Main Street? But to correctly put a date on me, I was never at the Student Prince. During my hoppin' days it was Club Xanadu. It was pretty cool because the one side was the dance club (where the Circuit Bar is today) and the other side was the Rock n Roll room (where Cruisin is today). They only other place I can remember in Asbury having a dance room and a rock room was the old Park Place (which burned). I can't place quite where it was. Third Ave maybe? That was the first nightclub I ever snuck into in High School. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Oak you hung at the Clover Club? You are dyed in the wool old school Asbury, man! Thank God there were no cell phone cameras or YouTube back then. Keep on eye on more youtube vids being posted...you may get caught in some grainy flick. So for you - did the Pony mean the Pony or Vinyl. The Jefferson...I must of been there righjt next to you. Owned by Tony Albano - his daughter(s) and I were pretty great friends. He also owned the Sand n Sea DISCO (Net Lanes fisherman). At the Clover...there was an old italian guy at the bar who would tell more about biz then any college. He owned bars and body shops - ..two things that people with no money need...A car that runs and a drink after pay day... So the point at where does the Pony belong - in the casino or not or where it i today Bring back the sunshine. Bring back Mrs. Jays outdoor beer garden. I can imagine a pretty cool exterior of the casino - the front of the Pony, the front of the old Jays a pol hall called the 'Digger..or the Student Prince.. there's probably more ticket stubs and posters with Bruce at the Student Prince then the Ponyso what's right? What'd right today is the weather. It's been right all summer,. As far as the boardwalk being better today then it was yesterday - yep. And it will better tomorrow. On the beach in deal yesterday - a couple from deal were talking about eh birthday party their daughter (5) is having today. At Asbury Boardwalk - their playing mini golf, then doing something with the bikes and going for candy and then the beach. So we might go down and walk around and go to the beach. So... the net effect? 20 kids going to a party in Asbury. The parents going to the beach. I'd guess a fewa few merchants benefit from just ONE birthday party and at least least 20 more families here about it. Come to Asbury. Spend 24 hours and a couple $. You'll enjoy it. I was thinking of some slogans like that last night. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You seem to be overly positive and optimistic; going with the flow to be part of the party perhaps? anyone who is investing in a business, and / or a buying house here I would characterize as attempting turn the tide rather that go with the flow. You keep talking about the past year in your prior posts; is that the extent of your view about what has gone on? valid pointmy frame of reference isn't as long as others herethat is for surei am definetly a newbie as I have only had a house here since this March and visited AP for the first time in the spring of 07'. i grew up in rochester, ny went to hoftra u in long island and have lived in NNJ for the past 15 or so years. I've read about all the great things supposed to be happening since 2000. By my count its now 7 years later and very little has been accomplished in that time. (talking about the oceanfront) i remember a post by tommy disputing the fact that the past 7 years have been a failed redevelopment...wish i had time to big it up and offer the link, i found it very interestingtalked about how bad it really was here before the first pioneers started coming in. I am focusing on the fact that it is happeninig right now on the ocean front...more and more people are coming down and enjoying all AP has to offerlot's of great people, beach, restaurants, entertainment and other businesses all over town. I am just praying that it does't become way overcrowded during the summer months as I am sure it evenutually will. Ok you want things with a positive spin: (some issues people are talking about) Wouldnt it be better if the Porta-Potties were gone? Wouldnt it be better if there were real rest rooms? Wouldnt it be better if the bandstand building were correctly restored? Wouldnt it be better if freight containers wre not used as buildings? Wouldnt it be better if roofs didn't have airconditioners all over them? Wouldnt it be better if that unfinished foundation were not there? Wouldnt it be better if flood lights were not all over the place? Wouldnt it be better if the organ were working Wouldnt it be better if traffic flow was different? Wouldnt it be better if it lived up to the hype being put out for the last 7 years? How about some positive criticisms from you instead of just going along with everything? Fine if your happy with the way things are. I was/am disappointed as are others apparantly. i did notice that the slot you would put bills in in the new parking meters are very very low to the groundcould be annoying for anyone who does't carry change around such as myself. there is nothing fundamentally wrong with anything I see going on right nowif there was I would complain about them. let's see how the ongoing negotiations go between MM and the cityhow the boardwalk looks and feels when it is closer to a finished product. there are many things that will be added or corrected and many things that people will not like. i am starting to sound like a broken record. can we agree to disagree? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Could the redevelopment be better? YES. However we are where we are today due to the past 7 years. Even if all building came to a stop we are better off today. The streets are safer and people care abou their homes. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:51:38 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Complaints? Negativity? You seem to be overly positive and optimistic; going with the flow to be part of the party perhaps? anyone who is investing in a business, and / or a buying house here I would characterize as attempting turn the tide rather that go with the flow. You keep talking about the past year in your prior posts; is that the extent of your view about what has gone on? valid pointmy frame of reference isn't as long as others herethat is for surei am definetly a newbie as I have only had a house here since this March and visited AP for the first time in the spring of 07'. i grew up in rochester, ny went to hoftra u in long island and have lived in NNJ for the past 15 or so years. I've read about all the great things supposed to be happening since 2000. By my count its now 7 years later and very little has been accomplished in that time. (talking about the oceanfront) i remember a post by tommy disputing the fact that the past 7 years have been a failed redevelopment...wish i had time to big it up and offer the link, i found it very interestingtalked about how bad it really was here before the first pioneers started coming in. I am focusing on the fact that it is happeninig right now on the ocean front...more and more people are coming down and enjoying all AP has to offerlot's of great people, beach, restaurants, entertainment and other businesses all over town. I am just praying that it does't become way overcrowded during the summer months as I am sure it evenutually will. Ok you want things with a positive spin: (some issues people are talking about) Wouldnt it be better if the Porta-Potties were gone? Wouldnt it be better if there were real rest rooms? Wouldnt it be better if the bandstand building were correctly restored? Wouldnt it be better if freight containers wre not used as buildings? Wouldnt it be better if roofs didn't have airconditioners all over them? Wouldnt it be better if that unfinished foundation were not there? Wouldnt it be better if flood lights were not all over the place? Wouldnt it be better if the organ were working Wouldnt it be better if traffic flow was different? Wouldnt it be better if it lived up to the hype being put out for the last 7 years? How about some positive criticisms from you instead of just going along with everything? Fine if your happy with the way things are. I was/am disappointed as are others apparantly. i did notice that the slot you would put bills in in the new parking meters are very very low to the groundcould be annoying for anyone who does't carry change around such as myself. there is nothing fundamentally wrong with anything I see going on right nowif there was I would complain about them. let's see how the ongoing negotiations go between MM and the cityhow the boardwalk looks and feels when it is closer to a finished product. there are many things that will be added or corrected and many things that people will not like. i am starting to sound like a broken record. can we agree to disagree?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was the Pone Stoney (thats how you would say it after a few) for me. I was never at Vinyl. Maria and Toni. Jay had Blondies on Main... Park Place was on 3rd and Ocean Ave. Apparently the fire started on the roofearly redevelopment. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The streets are safer and people care abou their homes. homeownerhip vs specualtors and landlords. How to stop blight? Eliminate taxes on sale of home onwed by investor to owner occupied buyer. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Although they do go to Liverpool to visit the Cavern Club... which isn't the real Cavern Club. arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had lunch at Brickwall. Met a couple from the UK. They asked directions to the Pony. Big Bruce fans. They are staying in Manhattan but it was always in their plans to come here to see the Pony and the streets that Bruce walked. Golden opportunities are being mixed. It is an industry waiting to be capitalized.You do not even have to create it. Make the Pony part of a working music museum. If yoy ran things right you coud probsbly keep a hotel fully booked with foreign Bruce tourists. That being said, I highly doubt people like that would come to Asbury to see a relocated Stone Pony in a building like the casino. A hotel/restaurant/museum on the Stone Pony block would be an absolute score... packed with tourists and music enthusiasts all year round. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Asbury Park's Cavern Club was the Student Prince. Maybe someone should open one that isn't the real Student Prince. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although they do go to Liverpool to visit the Cavern Club... which isn't the real Cavern Club. arcman210 wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Had lunch at Brickwall. Met a couple from the UK. They asked directions to the Pony. Big Bruce fans. They are staying in Manhattan but it was always in their plans to come here to see the Pony and the streets that Bruce walked. Golden opportunities are being mixed. It is an industry waiting to be capitalized.You do not even have to create it. Make the Pony part of a working music museum. If yoy ran things right you coud probsbly keep a hotel fully booked with foreign Bruce tourists. That being said, I highly doubt people like that would come to Asbury to see a relocated Stone Pony in a building like the casino. A hotel/restaurant/museum on the Stone Pony block would be an absolute score... packed with tourists and music enthusiasts all year round. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asbury Park's Cavern Club was the Student Prince. Maybe someone should open one that isn't the real Student Prince. There's lots of old clubs that could come back . The Saint, in my day, was the Clover Club. I miss the Clover Club. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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There's lots of old clubs that could come back . The Saint, in my day, was the Clover Club. I miss the Clover Club. I didn't know the building was ever anything other then The Saint. Hmmm... This could explain the neon clover over the door?
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't know the building was ever anything other then The Saint. Hmmm... This could explain the neon clover over the door? It was more then that. It was THE place to go when you looked old enough. It's historic as well for many reasons. Like Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Ocean Twp kids. 2 for 1 Rum and cokes, flaming shots...the bayonne girls... lots of good times..kamikzi by the pitchers.. Let's see if Tommy D can come up with the owner / b-tender name. Clover Club before the Saint. My Pontiac Catalina died out there. I tried to put the air filter cover back on at 2 am on the wing nut fell into the carb. I thought it would make it back home to wanamassa. The wing nut found its way down into the engine and seized it up There's another 100 Clover Club stories better Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You DO realize that you are now officially known to this group as Wingnut? WN for short. This could have happened to me (and still could!) Shit happens... apparently to you first and me second, I'll be WN-2!! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote: I didn't know the building was ever anything other then The Saint. Hmmm... This could explain the neon clover over the door? It was more then that. It was THE place to go when you looked old enough. It's historic as well for many reasons. Like Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Ocean Twp kids. 2 for 1 Rum and cokes, flaming shots...the bayonne girls... lots of good times..kamikzi by the pitchers.. Let's see if Tommy D can come up with the owner / b-tender name. Clover Club before the Saint. My Pontiac Catalina died out there. I tried to put the air filter cover back on at 2 am on the wing nut fell into the carb. I thought it would make it back home to wanamassa. The wing nut found its way down into the engine and seized it up There's another 100 Clover Club stories better Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those 49 properties might have already been built or rehabbed or they added on to. Much like the Casino, Carousel House, pavilions, Baronet or Fastlane, no? You just don't draw a pretty picture and then build it. I tried to knock down a house in OT that I've had for twenty years. Two meetings and I tried to wing it with the architecture and engineering all done. That alone cost me over $3k - drawings, engineering, fees etc - probably over $4k. They told me to come back again. Heck with it - the house has been there since 1875 and will stay there. I hear what you're saying, but that applies either to new construction or demolition. What about a situation like the Carousel House? Rather than tear it down, they've spent a significant amount of money refurbishing it, only to stick a farmer's market in there. What kind of zoning and approval hurdles could they possibly face to reinstall what was already there for years and years? (And if there are any, then shame on the city. I don't know what that place is zoned for this week, but common sense says do everything you can to get a working ride back in there - not for nostalgia's sake but as part of a long term economic investment.) Or the 5th Avenue Pavilion? The seats were still on top when they acquired the property, no? All they had to do was scrub them down and, maybe, refinish them. What possible zoning hurdle could have forced them to rip the seats out and supplant what the people of AP thought they were going to get according to signed agreements? Isn't that a band performing up there in this concept drawing?: http://www.conventionhall.net/initiative/05.html The Baronet? It's a perfectly fine working theater. Let the proprieter continue to operate it unless or until they come up with a better plan - rather than letting it languish there for no justifiable reason. Again, how could engineering and approval fees play into this? It's already engineered and approved. Just get out of the way let it work. Everyone can dig that you don't just draw pretty pictures and build something. I think people are willing to wait for the eastern portion of the Casino, or the residential construction, and even the rehab of the other pavilions. But pre-existing structures that are ready for use don't need pretty pictures. They need people to stop fixing what ain't broke, get the hell out of the way, and let these places come back to life. Wouldn't shifting operational responsibility to someone else free MM up that much more to focus on the approvals process for the rest of their projects? Fair or not, there is a perception of selective unprofessionalism on MM's part (not at all improved by anecdotes of geographic snobbery and backroom deals with coffee truck owners). They've got A-Rod assets but they're handling some of these easy plays like George Plimpton. If Convention Hall and the Paramount were Reggie's three homers in '77, the 5th Ave. pavilion and the Carousel House are Buckner's bungle in '86. I'm no real estate expert, but it's hard to believe this is all regulatory in nature. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buckner's bungle was one of the happiest days of my life After that, Lenny Dykstra's wife went on shopping spree. I worked at Merrill then, and once in a while, some famous name popped up on our computer screens in customer service... just like looking at the Catholic Church's (im sure others) billons in the bank. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Rock Musician [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at the Stone Pony with my kid Wed night and the Fireworks on the beach were awsome. Thank you Asbury Park. I love sharing moments like that with my kids. Its a memory you never forget. Had lunch at Brickwall. Met a couple from the UK. They asked directions to the Pony. Big Bruce fans. They are staying in Manhattan but it was always in their plans to come here to see the Pony and the streets that Bruce walked. Golden opportunities are being mixed. It is an industry waiting to be capitalized.You do not even have to create it. Make the Pony part of a working music museum. If yoy ran things right you coud probsbly keep a hotel fully booked with foreign Bruce tourists. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair or not, there is a perception of selective unprofessionalism on MM's part (not at all improved by anecdotes of geographic snobbery and backroom deals with coffee truck owners). They've got A-Rod assets but they're handling some of these easy plays like George Plimpton. If Convention Hall and the Paramount were Reggie's three homers in '77, the 5th Ave. pavilion and the Carousel House are Buckner's bungle in '86. I'm no real estate expert, but it's hard to believe this is all regulatory in nature. It is not. MM are malls guys from start to go. GM is flaky and spacey. Jack of all trades and master of none. But we'll work to get this right. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Had lunch at Brickwall. Met a couple from the UK. They asked directions to the Pony. Big Bruce fans. They are staying in Manhattan but it was always in their plans to come here to see the Pony and the streets that Bruce walked. Golden opportunities are being mixed. It is an industry waiting to be capitalized.You do not even have to create it. Make the Pony part of a working music museum. If yoy ran things right you coud probsbly keep a hotel fully booked with foreign Bruce tourists. That being said, I highly doubt people like that would come to Asbury to see a relocated Stone Pony in a building like the casino. A hotel/restaurant/museum on the Stone Pony block would be an absolute score... packed with tourists and music enthusiasts all year round. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I laid back for a while to see where the talk would go to. Why is it that any mention of making things better is usually flagged as a complaint? I always though that being critical of things tends to make them better. Agreed on this point...but as I read on I see negativity in your post rather than contructive critcism. Will everyone love all aspects of the redevelopmentof course not. No wonder Asbury is in such a mess, noone wants to take advice or admit that mistakes have been made. Going with the flow even when its not in the best direction seems to be the normal MO. your statement no wonder AP is such as messI think many here would disagree. look at the success of what has happenend in the residential community as well as what has happened on cookman and the boardwalk in progress, etc. Wouldn't you describe this as a success? Has Asbury lost control of its own future, I certainly was shocked to see so little accomplished after hearing about the rebirth for years. We had a failed condo plan which may be blessing in disguise? More recently, didnt they make a commitment to have the entire beachfront done by Memorial Day? Its almost Labor Day. too ambitiuos of a timeline...I do not think anyone really expected this to happen by Memorial Day but it they didn't pu this aggesive time line in place they would probably be even further behind than today. I brought up the bad architecture and the answer was: its fine, its better than a year ago, lets see where it goes. Well it looks like its going nowhere. (thanks webcam and flicker, etc) I see improved funcationality and conveniences with what they have done so far. I agree to a certain extent on the arguements against what has been done to the 5th ave pavillion especially if the band shell is not brought back into play. If they chose brickface versus stucco would that solve the issue for you? Now the types of shops are an issue, rightfully so. Are the Porta- Potties gone yet? They were so tacky and low class along with the freight containers. In any redevelopment you will have retailers come and go...it is the nature of the beast. as far as the containers, the positive spin is they allow people who otherwise couldn't afford boardwalk rents to participateI take my hat off to any and all of the people who have the faith and courage to participate and put their neck on the line. I see more negativitly and despair than contructive critism in your posts. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: AP, and most towns are not easy to work any longer. NEW construction is tougher then rehabbing. You can sit here and argue that they should of had more people working to get it done etc etc. But maybe the plans are changing as they go as to what should happen. Maybe, maybe not. Over the past just couple years, there have been many concept plans drawn up - these costs tens of thousands of dollars. It's not you or me doodling on paper (although I'm pretty good...) saying wouldn't it be cool if all those doodles they present cost $. They're done to meet code, present a what if we CAN do this, maximize land value. Meeting with an engineer and architect is almost as painful as meeting with a lawyer. Then again, the laywers alwyas have their ideas and want to meet with the engineers. Some even like to meet with the architects It's not cheap what Partners and MM is going through. Again, look at all the concept plans to date. You know what it cost to get an approval for a house. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: AP, and most towns are not easy to work any longer. NEW construction is tougher then rehabbing. You can sit here and argue that they should of had more people working to get it done etc etc. But maybe the plans are changing as they go as to what should happen. Maybe, maybe not. David.your input is invaluable on these topics. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Good points. Can one really equate Madison Marquette with an individual home builder though? The company has 49 properties and 23 million sq feet of retail space throughout the United States. That's 49 sets of concept plans. 49 sets of meeting after meeting with engineers and architects. 49 sets of meetings with lawyers. 49 arduous approval processes. They're not amateurs. They've done this before. Their goal is profit, not charity. As such, is it wrong to hold them to a higher standard? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@ wrote: AP, and most towns are not easy to work any longer. NEW construction is tougher then rehabbing. You can sit here and argue that they should of had more people working to get it done etc etc. But maybe the plans are changing as they go as to what should happen. Maybe, maybe not. Over the past just couple years, there have been many concept plans drawn up - these costs tens of thousands of dollars. It's not you or me doodling on paper (although I'm pretty good...) saying wouldn't it be cool if all those doodles they present cost $. They're done to meet code, present a what if we CAN do this, maximize land value. Meeting with an engineer and architect is almost as painful as meeting with a lawyer. Then again, the laywers alwyas have their ideas and want to meet with the engineers. Some even like to meet with the architects It's not cheap what Partners and MM is going through. Again, look at all the concept plans to date. You know what it cost to get an approval for a house. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good points. Can one really equate Madison Marquette with an individual home builder though? The company has 49 properties and 23 million sq feet of retail space throughout the United States. Those 49 properties might have already been built or rehabbed or they added on to. Those 49 might of had 100 concept plans, countless approval hearings (or disapproval) millons of dollars in feesand still not get what they really wanted. Dan S had invited me some time ago to a real estate appraisers meeting in NYC...very interesting. One property just nearing completion - first piece of the block purchased over 40 years ago I sold a building last october in Neptune - building went for $400k great spot - going to cost around another $400k to turn it into a Dr. Office. - site work, special lighting (werner should like that) cause it's in a redev zone alone is $48k. Attorneys, Engineering, site work, architecture - etc etc. They are just getting their first permits. So maybe by november And I'm friendly with the Project mgr whose real tough to work with or even sell something to - its my wife. You just don't draw a pretty picture and then build it. I tried to knock down a house in OT that I've had for twenty years. Two meetings and I tried to wing it with the architecture and engineering all done. That alone cost me over $3k - drawings, engineering, fees etc - probably over $4k. They told me to come back again. Heck with it - the house has been there since 1875 and will stay there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
