[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is...
Thanks Mario. I had 2 small victories this morning. One was a nice conversation with the assistant City Manager about fixing the lighting in the park. He said they'd look into it and get back to me later this week. Hopefully that will work out. The second victory went like this. I left my house to walk my dog, and encountered a nice couple who my dog wanted to say hello to. They were really nice, they petted my furry pal, and continued on their walk. A few steps later the guy just drops his giant styrofoam 64 oz. coffee cup in the middle of the street and keeps on walking. His girlfriend said something, and he mumbled and kept going. I then walked over and simply said Excuse me, why would you drop that there when there's a garbage can right there on the corner? He looked at me, said he's sorry, then very slowly walked over and picked it up. His girlfriend also apologized and said that he has a problem with this, and he needs to get over it and do the right thing. So, this time, he did the right thing. Maybe this is how to effect change, one person at a time. I understand that it would probably be hard for somebody to call someone out on littering, but if it worked for me, maybe it'll work for others. When I think back to the 70's while Nixon was president, I recall that there were frequent commercials on TV like Give a hoot, don't pollute and that iconic crying Indian. We don't have that anymore. i tend to think that it's not taught in schools anymore, or at least not in Asbury Park schools. I think that's a great place to start. Teach the kids not to litter, and teach them to pass that on to their parents. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need for second thoughts or apologies. AP needs residents with passion who are not afraid to go out on a limb. Looks like leadership to me. Keep on Truckin'. In a message dated 10/23/2007 8:05:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I read back my post below, it occurs to me that I'm beginning to sound like a one-track mind jerk, so I apologize in advance. I thought about deleting the post, but I figure it's better to be honest and let it stay. I guess part of the problem for me and litter is that I've never lived in a place where it's so prevelent. It truly disgusts me. The nearest local town I lived in prior to moving here was Allenhurst, which we all know is pretty spotless. Same goes for Edgewater up north. When I think back to around the year 2000, I was living in Allenhurst, and dating a girl here in AP. Occasionally, me and my dog would spend the night at her place, and I'd take my dog for a walk in AP and back then I vowed never to live in a place this dirty. So I guess I can only blame myself for moving to a place that had a problem I already knew about. Personally, I can't relate to the mentality of a person who thinks it's ok to just drop their trash anywhere they want to. I guess growing up in the 70's and watching that commercial with the Indian crying had an effect on me. Anyhow, I apologize to my friends here for my frequent rants on this subject. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I recall that there were frequent commercials on TV like Give a hoot, don't pollute and that iconic crying Indian. We don't have that anymore. i tend to think that it's not taught in schools anymore, or at least not in Asbury Park schools. I think that's a great place to start. Teach the kids not to litter, and teach them to pass that on to their parents. == While being taught the basics of proper garbage disposal, a good dose of how to use the sidewalks provided for them by all our tax dollars would be appreciated. It amazes me that anyone would walk in the streets that are obviously there for vehicles. Kids and adults alike. I think there is a common sense gene lacking in those people. Perhaps they are the same ones distributing litter ?? Cracking down on public behaviour issues such as jay-walking, littering, boom-boxes, leash-laws, etc would do wonders for Asbury park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is...
Cracking down on public behaviour issues such as leash-laws Bad boy! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
Actually, it is not the City that does not care about the litter, it is the LITTERERS that don't care. I watch miscreants drop their trash on the street all the time. They look me in the eye when they are doing it. It is simply an undertated way of saying F. U. Their are signalling to the rest of us that they do not give a damn about this city. Tragically, this is the attitude that is ruining their sorry lives. Police should issue summonses whenever they see this happening. It is the ONLY way to stop it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really think it's done on purpose. I think the sad fact is we have some ignorant low life slobs in this city who just don't care. Add to that the people who live in the section 8 housing such as the welfare hotel across the street from me. I'm sorry to say it, but those people, and the endless stream of cars that seems to be visiting there, are a bunch of slobs. Much of the daily garbage I encounter in my neighborhood is discarded liquor and beer containers. This happens every single day. I've never seen anything like it. 2 houses away from mine is a recently restored home that has a nicely landscaped yard, and they spent money to replace the depleted grass on both sides with sod. This weekend, some a-hole dumped the remains of what looked like a whole case of beer on that sod and drove away. Things like that make me crazy. I wish I could help it, but I can't. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u sharon_b283@ wrote: Jack, I can't help but think, that the trashing is done on purpose! Sorry, but you tried your best! Don't know what else to say, but it's like beating a dead horse! The city just ought to care! They don't! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow figure out how to reprogram my brain. I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately cleaned fountain already had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake packages and other assorted crap in and around it. I'm close to giving up. But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from Trinty Church, so hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince them that a good incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would be to equip some of them as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them some clean up supplies and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the people seeking charitiable help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean. Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their parks and street cleanup. And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most European cities, you will see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and parks, and emptying the trash cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from what I've seen from my many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their cities, so theres less crap to clean up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Paul Vail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it is not the City that does not care about the litter, it is the LITTERERS that don't care. I watch miscreants drop their trash on the street all the time. They look me in the eye when they are doing it. It is simply an undertated way of saying F. U. Their are signalling to the rest of us that they do not give a damn about this city. Tragically, this is the attitude that is ruining their sorry lives. Police should issue summonses whenever they see this happening. It is the ONLY way to stop it. The same for jay-walking, The person is saying, F-U, I/we own the streets. 'Can't tell me where to walk...' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
The same for jay-walking, The person is saying, F-U, I/we own the streets. 'Can't tell me where to walk...' and they give the finger(s) when you clip their toes with your tires usually around 2nd and main for some reason. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The same for jay-walking, The person is saying, F-U, I/we own the streets. 'Can't tell me where to walk...' But I give them a run for their money when they do. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
As I read back my post below, it occurs to me that I'm beginning to sound like a one-track mind jerk, so I apologize in advance. I thought about deleting the post, but I figure it's better to be honest and let it stay. I guess part of the problem for me and litter is that I've never lived in a place where it's so prevelent. It truly disgusts me. The nearest local town I lived in prior to moving here was Allenhurst, which we all know is pretty spotless. Same goes for Edgewater up north. When I think back to around the year 2000, I was living in Allenhurst, and dating a girl here in AP. Occasionally, me and my dog would spend the night at her place, and I'd take my dog for a walk in AP and back then I vowed never to live in a place this dirty. So I guess I can only blame myself for moving to a place that had a problem I already knew about. Personally, I can't relate to the mentality of a person who thinks it's ok to just drop their trash anywhere they want to. I guess growing up in the 70's and watching that commercial with the Indian crying had an effect on me. Anyhow, I apologize to my friends here for my frequent rants on this subject. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow figure out how to reprogram my brain. I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately cleaned fountain already had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake packages and other assorted crap in and around it. I'm close to giving up. But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from Trinty Church, so hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince them that a good incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would be to equip some of them as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them some clean up supplies and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the people seeking charitiable help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean. Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their parks and street cleanup. And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most European cities, you will see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and parks, and emptying the trash cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from what I've seen from my many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their cities, so theres less crap to clean up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
Jack, I can't help but think, that the trashing is done on purpose! Sorry, but you tried your best! Don't know what else to say, but it's like beating a dead horse! The city just ought to care! They don't! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow figure out how to reprogram my brain. I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately cleaned fountain already had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake packages and other assorted crap in and around it. I'm close to giving up. But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from Trinty Church, so hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince them that a good incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would be to equip some of them as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them some clean up supplies and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the people seeking charitiable help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean. Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their parks and street cleanup. And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most European cities, you will see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and parks, and emptying the trash cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from what I've seen from my many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their cities, so theres less crap to clean up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is un-winnable
I don't really think it's done on purpose. I think the sad fact is we have some ignorant low life slobs in this city who just don't care. Add to that the people who live in the section 8 housing such as the welfare hotel across the street from me. I'm sorry to say it, but those people, and the endless stream of cars that seems to be visiting there, are a bunch of slobs. Much of the daily garbage I encounter in my neighborhood is discarded liquor and beer containers. This happens every single day. I've never seen anything like it. 2 houses away from mine is a recently restored home that has a nicely landscaped yard, and they spent money to replace the depleted grass on both sides with sod. This weekend, some a-hole dumped the remains of what looked like a whole case of beer on that sod and drove away. Things like that make me crazy. I wish I could help it, but I can't. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I can't help but think, that the trashing is done on purpose! Sorry, but you tried your best! Don't know what else to say, but it's like beating a dead horse! The city just ought to care! They don't! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I think I'm going to have to either avoid the park, or somehow figure out how to reprogram my brain. I just went for a dog walk in the park, and yesterdays immaculately cleaned fountain already had somebodies discarded snot rags, cigarette packs, cupcake packages and other assorted crap in and around it. I'm close to giving up. But before I do, I'm working on a meeting on Sunday with people from Trinty Church, so hopefully something good will come of that. Maybe I could convince them that a good incentive for people looking to utilize their charity services would be to equip some of them as volunteers to help clean up the park on a daily basis. Give them some clean up supplies and send them into the park. Maybe it would be good for both the people seeking charitiable help, as well as keeping an otherwise beautiful park clean. Of course, I'm constantly reminded of how Europe deals with their parks and street cleanup. And of course it takes money that we don't have. Anyhow, in most European cities, you will see clean up crews every single night cleaning the streets and parks, and emptying the trash cans. It's almost like what happens at Disney everyday. And from what I've seen from my many years spent overseas, people are less prone to trash their cities, so theres less crap to clean up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: I guess the war against litter in Library Square Park is...
No need for second thoughts or apologies. AP needs residents with passion who are not afraid to go out on a limb. Looks like leadership to me. Keep on Truckin'. In a message dated 10/23/2007 8:05:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I read back my post below, it occurs to me that I'm beginning to sound like a one-track mind jerk, so I apologize in advance. I thought about deleting the post, but I figure it's better to be honest and let it stay. I guess part of the problem for me and litter is that I've never lived in a place where it's so prevelent. It truly disgusts me. The nearest local town I lived in prior to moving here was Allenhurst, which we all know is pretty spotless. Same goes for Edgewater up north. When I think back to around the year 2000, I was living in Allenhurst, and dating a girl here in AP. Occasionally, me and my dog would spend the night at her place, and I'd take my dog for a walk in AP and back then I vowed never to live in a place this dirty. So I guess I can only blame myself for moving to a place that had a problem I already knew about. Personally, I can't relate to the mentality of a person who thinks it's ok to just drop their trash anywhere they want to. I guess growing up in the 70's and watching that commercial with the Indian crying had an effect on me. Anyhow, I apologize to my friends here for my frequent rants on this subject. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
