[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
sorry about resurrecting such an old post but http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10252015 Economist.com Food prices The end of cheap food Dec 6th 2007 From The Economist print edition Rising food prices are a threat to many; they also present the world with an enormous opportunity FOR as long as most people can remember, food has been getting cheaper and farming has been in decline. In 1974-2005 food prices on world markets fell by three-quarters in real terms. Food today is so cheap that the West is battling gluttony even as it scrapes piles of half-eaten leftovers into the bin. That is why this year's price rise has been so extraordinary. Since the spring, wheat prices have doubled and almost every crop under the sunmaize, milk, oilseeds, you name itis at or near a peak in nominal terms. The Economist's food-price index is higher today than at any time since it was created in 1845 (see chart). Even in real terms, prices have jumped by 75% since 2005. No doubt farmers will meet higher prices with investment and more production, but dearer food is likely to persist for years (see article). That is because agflation is underpinned by long-running changes in diet that accompany the growing wealth of emerging economiesthe Chinese consumer who ate 20kg (44lb) of meat in 1985 will scoff over 50kg of the stuff this year. That in turn pushes up demand for grain: it takes 8kg of grain to produce one of beef. But the rise in prices is also the self-inflicted result of America's reckless ethanol subsidies. This year biofuels will take a third of America's (record) maize harvest. That affects food markets directly: fill up an SUV's fuel tank with ethanol and you have used enough maize to feed a person for a year. And it affects them indirectly, as farmers switch to maize from other crops. The 30m tonnes of extra maize going to ethanol this year amounts to half the fall in the world's overall grain stocks. Dearer food has the capacity to do enormous good and enormous harm. It will hurt urban consumers, especially in poor countries, by increasing the price of what is already the most expensive item in their household budgets. It will benefit farmers and agricultural communities by increasing the rewards of their labour; in many poor rural places it will boost the most important source of jobs and economic growth. Although the cost of food is determined by fundamental patterns of demand and supply, the balance between good and ill also depends in part on governments. If politicians do nothing, or the wrong things, the world faces more misery, especially among the urban poor. If they get policy right, they can help increase the wealth of the poorest nations, aid the rural poor, rescue farming from subsidies and neglectand minimise the harm to the slum-dwellers and landless labourers. So far, the auguries look gloomy. In the trough That, at least, is the lesson of half a century of food policy. Whatever the supposed threatthe lack of food security, rural poverty, environmental stewardshipthe world seems to have only one solution: government intervention. Most of the subsidies and trade barriers have come at a huge cost. The trillions of dollars spent supporting farmers in rich countries have led to higher taxes, worse food, intensively farmed monocultures, overproduction and world prices that wreck the lives of poor farmers in the emerging markets. And for what? Despite the help, plenty of Western farmers have been beset by poverty. Increasing productivity means you need fewer farmers, which steadily drives the least efficient off the land. Even a vast subsidy cannot reverse that. With agflation, policy has reached a new level of self-parody. Take America's supposedly verdant ethanol subsidies. It is not just that they are supporting a relatively dirty version of ethanol (far better to import Brazil's sugar-based liquor); they are also offsetting older grain subsidies that lowered prices by encouraging overproduction. Intervention multiplies like lies. Now countries such as Russia and Venezuela have imposed price controlsan aid to consumersto offset America's aid to ethanol producers. Meanwhile, high grain prices are persuading people to clear forests to plant more maize. Dearer food is a chance to break this dizzying cycle. Higher market prices make it possible to reduce subsidies without hurting incomes. A farm bill is now going through America's Congress. The European Union has promised a root-and-branch review (not yet reform) of its farm-support scheme. The reforms of the past few decades have, in fact, grappled with the rich world's farm programmesbut only timidly. Now comes the chance for politicians to show that they are serious when they say they want to put agriculture right. Cutting rich-world subsidies and trade barriers would help taxpayers; it could revive the stalled Doha round of world trade talks, boosting the
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
I agree with you. I would never buy a wii game for a giving tree. Basketballs, art supplies, mittens, simple toys...kids don't need what they want. The kids i know who don't have much are getting shoe boxes filled with art supplies, writing tools, writing pads, fun chewable vitamins, kid tooth brushes, toothpaste, calculators. I will do my best to never buy toys for giving trees and if i do i will buy the basics. I WILL try to make sure that I always have kids IN my life that i know have less than most so i can not only have the opportunity the share with them personally, but also be able to talk to them about greed advertising and EXTREME poverty the likes of which will never exist in Asbury Park. but this post started about FOOD. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the difference between Italian Catholicism and Irish Catholicism is Italian Catholicism has a cuisine. They get fed. The greatest virtue in Irish Catholicism is to deny yourself. I am half Irish and we always had irish 7 course dinners - a sixpack and a baked potato ;) Truly, at the Italian functions (weddings, funeralss, etc.) we ate ourselves into a frenzy. At the Irish ones we drank ourselves into a frenzy. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am half Irish... My brother. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: I am half Irish... My brother. separated at birth Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, evosap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am willing to believe that food banks are as capable of using propaganda as much as the Bush admin... Perhaps everyone uses propaganda. This weekend on the way out of church, my kids wanted to stop at the giving tree. It is a Christmas Tree set up with little tags all over it. On each tag is the name of a present that a poor child in the area wants for christmas. You pull a tag and donate that present. The first tag we pulled - a request for a certain wii game. This started a discussion amongst our family. We don't have a wii console, because it is $250.00 and I told my kids I'm not spending that much money on a toy (even though they really want one). If this poor kid is asking for one of the wii games, then he must already have the $250.00 wii console. Is he really poor? Even if he is, is he poor enough that he should get our limited charity, while perhaps a kid without a wii doesn't get our charity? My kids were confused by this. So was I. What do you think? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
What do you think? Does a poor kid deserve a Wii. It depends on the real situation or how they were classified. Does the kid deserve a pair of sneakers instead? Underwear? Are they in a welfare motel and this is the kids fantasy? Was that request put on there by a social worker thinking of gifts? Maybe all the kid wants is a mitt and uniform to play baseball. Maybe he should ask for a field to play it on? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
All great points. It's why giving at this time of year can be so tricky. The Charitable Industrial Complex can't always be trusted to be honest about the need. In the end you by the kid the game and hope for the best. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think? Does a poor kid deserve a Wii. It depends on the real situation or how they were classified. Does the kid deserve a pair of sneakers instead? Underwear? Are they in a welfare motel and this is the kids fantasy? Was that request put on there by a social worker thinking of gifts? Maybe all the kid wants is a mitt and uniform to play baseball. Maybe he should ask for a field to play it on? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All great points. It's why giving at this time of year can be so tricky. right. Does my daughter need a new snowoard that she just called me for...i'm working to 7:00 so that's another $50, then i'm working all week...so can u take me after work...we're going snowboarding this weekend and my other board Hanukkah and Christmas I remember my grandmother giving me about $25 when I was around 10 and I bought a label maker from Sears in Neptune and joe nammath jersey. As for the Food Bank, the kids used to have to got here on a class trip when it was a garage in Springlake (i think), then they built the big one in Neptune. At first sight, I was annoyed that it was built so fancy and big. Granted, I haven't been there to see what they do in this facility, but I'll give it at the checkout. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you think? Buy your kids a wii you stingy bastard and then invite me over so I can play with it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
LOL! We'll see what Santa Claus can do. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: What do you think? Buy your kids a wii you stingy bastard and then invite me over so I can play with it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Anybody know where I can find one - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 3, 2007 3:32:38 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years LOL! We'll see what Santa Claus can do. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: What do you think? Buy your kids a wii you stingy bastard and then invite me over so I can play with it. Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! We'll see what Santa Claus can do. Don't go out in the back yard and shoot off a shotgun and then come in tell me he committed suicide. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as stupid as the Wii looks, my kids friend had it over - I bowled 5 games and my elbow was sore as hell by 1 am. Just as if I went real bowling. Maybe have your kids volunteer somewhere for the holidays. I've said it before - poor means different things to different people. Ask around. It all depends on what you've been exposed to and believe or think you or your kid must have at Christmas. God knows I have endulged my children. I have tried to draw the limit. Whatever I have or will bought, I try to make sure they know that it is not automatic. It is not something I owe them but rather something they have earned. And since they both are good persons, do/did well in school, never got in trouble, respect others and are kind, I think I (really my wife) pulled it off. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
as stupid as the Wii looks, my kids friend had it over - I bowled 5 games and my elbow was sore as hell by 1 am. Just as if I went real bowling. Maybe have your kids volunteer somewhere for the holidays. I've said it before - poor means different things to different people. Ask around. It all depends on what you've been exposed to and believe or think you or your kid must have at Christmas. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
I am willing to believe that food banks are as capable of using propaganda as much as the Bush admin...its just that food prices are rising. and smart commodity folks are calling for a soft commodity bull market. add to that water issues, chinas growth, the use of corn for fuel, the all time high cost of energy to process and transport and the ethnocentric response of reaction seeking right wing locals with adorable daughters doesn't seem so smart. though it seems we would be better served having you as BOE attny. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
And the difference between Italian Catholicism and Irish Catholicism is Italian Catholicism has a cuisine. They get fed. The greatest virtue in Irish Catholicism is to deny yourself. So with the result we had no cuisine. Only the Irish now are discovering food. Oh, my god. And they're all going on Weight Watchers and giving up drinking pints of Guinness in favor of Cosmopolitans. Frank McCourt (Angela's Ashes) to Tavis Smiley . Archives . Frank McCourt . November 28, 2007 | PBS http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071128_mccourt.htm\ l \ In a message dated 12/2/2007 10:49:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am willing to believe that food banks are as capable of using propaganda as much as the Bush admin... That's a mighty stretch. its just that food prices are rising. and smart commodity folks are calling for a soft commodity bull market. add to that water issues, chinas growth, the use of corn for fuel, the all time high cost of energy to process and transport..The actual reasons given in the article (Food Banks, in a Squeeze, Tighten Belts - New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us/30food.html?_r=1hp=oref=sloginp\ agewanted=print ): Experts attributed the shortages to an unusual combination of factors: rising demand, a sharp drop in federal supplies of excess farm products, and tighter inventory controls that are leaving supermarkets and other retailers with less food to donate. retailers are selling to discount stores, the price of oil, gas, rents and foreclosures, household budget squeezes had led to a drop in donations and greater demand. most people have a very heavy debt load. In part, food banks are suffering because farmers are doing well. The food banks rely on supplies from the federal Agriculture Department's Bonus Commodity Program, which buys surplus crops like apples and potatoes from farmers. Right now, the agricultural economy is very strong and the surpluses aren't available for us to purchase, Supplies from the surplus program dropped to $67 million worth last year, from $154.3 million in 2005 and $233 million in 2004. federal government's programs are dropping tighter inventory monitoring, which has left many stores with less to donate. They know exactly what they have, down to the can,They can track a lot better and don't order in bulk. Efficiency has kind of been the enemy of the food bank. Extra food items that are not selling or seasonal inventory that is no longer needed is now often sold to low-cost retailers Donations are down, and people who need help is up = Happy Chanukah (Supreme Court style: On Language; Chappy Chanukah - New York Times http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE0DC163FF933A25751C1\ A96F948260 Safire, 1989)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
Many of our modern Christmas traditions began hundreds of years before Christ was born. Some of these traditions date back more than 4000 years. The addition of Christ to the celebration of the winter solstice did not occur until 300 years after Christ died and as late as 1800, some devout Christian sects, like the Puritans, forbade their members from celebrating Christmas because it was considered a pagan holiday. So what is the history behind these traditions? http://www.zenzibar.com/articles/christmas.asp The Christmas tree is derived from several solstice traditions. The Romans decked their halls with garlands of laurel and placed candles in live trees to decorate for the celebration of Saturnalia. In Scandinavia, they hung apples from evergreen trees at the winder solstice to remind themselves that spring and summer will come again. The evergreen tree was the special plant of their sun god, Baldor. The practice of exchanging gifts at a winter celebration is also pre- Christian and is from the Roman Saturnalia. They would exchange good- luck gifts called Stenae (lucky fruits). They also would have a big feast just like we do today. Mistletoe is from an ancient Druid custom at the winter solstice. Mistletoe was considered a divine plant and it symbolized love and peace. The tradition of kissing under the mistletoe is Druid in origin. The Scandinavian solstice traditions had a lot of influences on our celebration besides the hanging of ornaments on evergreen trees. Their ancient festival was called Yuletide and celebrated the return of the sun. One of their traditions was the Yule log. The log was the center of the trunk of a tree that was dragged to a large fireplace where it was supposed to burn for twelve days. From this comes the twelve days of Christmas. Even the date of Christmas, December 25, was borrowed from another religion. At the time Christmas was created in AD 320, Mithraism was very popular. The early Christian church had gotten tired of their futile efforts to stop people celebrating the solstice and the birthday of Mithras, the Persian sun god. Mithras’ birthday was December 25. So the pope at the time decided to make Jesus’ official birthday coincide with Mithras’ birthday. No one knows what time of year Jesus was actually born but there is evidence to suggest that it was in midsummer. So, if you are celebrating any of the western traditions of Christmas this year, remember that you are actually enjoying the rituals and activities of several ancient religions whose traditions have been borrowed by the Christians over the years for the celebration of the birth of Christ. On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:01:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Google hits for Food bank Shortage = 181,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2006 = 196,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2005 = 194,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2004 = 199,000 The article said, the shortages at food banks were the worst the organization had seen in 26 years. It didn't say that there weren't food shortages before. Google hits for worst 'Food bank Shortage' = 16 I'll stick with Charity Navigator's 4 Stars, and not these guys trying to incite culture wars at every turn. Google hits for War on Christmas = 270,000 Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wastersof 2007.
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
Google hits for Food bank Shortage = 181,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2006 = 196,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2005 = 194,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2004 = 199,000 And here is just one of many you can read about Second harvest being short of food last year: http://www.metjax.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3354 You can Google all day and read about how these orgs claim a shortage every year. Just...like...I...said. I even nabbed the Monmouth Ocean Food Bank sending out an email with false stats on it a couple of years ago. The guy who made the email tried to make me out to be a bad guy for catching it. I told him I rely upon the orgs to whom I give to be honest about their plight. If I catch them stretching, I cut them off, because its like stealing from the other charities when they lie about the need. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 11/30/2007 11:04:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Same claim at Christmas every year by food orgs like this. Ho hum. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ma Ross Fraser, a spokesman for America’s Second Harvest, which distributes more than two billion pounds of donated food and grocery products annually, said the shortages at food banks were the worst the organization had seen in 26 years. If so, the claim is for sure no sillier than the perennial claim that there's a War on Christmas! Time to dig that one out of the files for TriCity. Can you document that the same claim is made every year by Second Harvest? I doubt it: the integrity of America's Second Harvest is documented by Charity Navigator (Top Rating of 4 Stars) and the Better Business Bureau; moreover, they provide complete transparency at their web site: _http://www.secondharvest.org/about_us/financial_statements/_ (http://www.secondharvest.org/about_us/financial_statements/) (finances, board of directors, et al.) Ho hum? Is that the Peace on Christmas version of Let them eat cake? **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
Same claim at Christmas every year by food orgs like this. Ho hum. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Fraser, a spokesman for Americaâs Second Harvest, which distributes more than two billion pounds of donated food and grocery products annually, said the shortages at food banks were the worst the organization had seen in 26 years. _Food Banks, in a Squeeze, Tighten Belts - New York Times_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/30/us/30food.html? hp=pagewanted=all) The FoodBank of Monmouth and Ocean Counties is part of the America's Second Harvest network: _http://www.foodbankmoc.org/_ (http://www.foodbankmoc.org/) **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007? NCID=aoltop000301) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I just don't understand why these hungry people can't utilize FreshDirect! What's the problem here? On Nov 30, 2007, at 11:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/30/2007 11:04:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Same claim at Christmas every year by food orgs like this. Ho hum. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Fraser, a spokesman for America’s Second Harvest, which distributes more than two billion pounds of donated food and grocery products annually, said the shortages at food banks were the worst the organization had seen in 26 years. If so, the claim is for sure no sillier than the perennial claim that there's a War on Christmas! Time to dig that one out of the files for TriCity. Can you document that the same claim is made every year by Second Harvest? I doubt it: the integrity of America's Second Harvest is documented by Charity Navigator (Top Rating of 4 Stars) and the Better Business Bureau; moreover, they provide complete transparency at their web site: http://www.secondharvest.org/about_us/ financial_statements/ (finances, board of directors, et al.) Ho hum? Is that the Peace on Christmas version of Let them eat cake? Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wastersof 2007.
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In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:01:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Google hits for Food bank Shortage = 181,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2006 = 196,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2005 = 194,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2004 = 199,000 The article said, the shortages at food banks were the worst the organization had seen in 26 years. It didn't say that there weren't food shortages before. Google hits for worst 'Food bank Shortage'= 16 I'll stick with Charity Navigator's 4 Stars, and not these guys trying to incite culture wars at every turn. Google hits for War on Christmas = 270,000 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[AsburyPark] Re: Shortages at food banks worst in 26 years
And others will say Chirstianity copied Ra and Horus and Krishna and Buddha and on and on and on, all of which collpases on investigation. Regarding December 25, we use the Georgian calendar, based on the Julian calendar, which dates to only 45 BC. Before that the Egyptian calendar had only 360 days. They would not have had the same December 25 as we do today. Also, the Bible doesn't say Jesus was born December 25. We don't really know the exact date, or even year. There is evidence of His birth from 6 BC to 6 AD, with a birth time ranging from late autumn to early winter. The December 25 date was decided as a celebratory date later. It has nothing to do with the pagan Winter Solstice, which is December 22. However, as Christians were only slightly more persecuted back then than they are today, there could be some credence to the fact that they chose a date close to the pagan date so as to be inconspicuous during celebration. Merry Christmas. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many of our modern Christmas traditions began hundreds of years before Christ was born. Some of these traditions date back more than 4000 years. The addition of Christ to the celebration of the winter solstice did not occur until 300 years after Christ died and as late as 1800, some devout Christian sects, like the Puritans, forbade their members from celebrating Christmas because it was considered a pagan holiday. So what is the history behind these traditions? http://www.zenzibar.com/articles/christmas.asp The Christmas tree is derived from several solstice traditions. The Romans decked their halls with garlands of laurel and placed candles in live trees to decorate for the celebration of Saturnalia. In Scandinavia, they hung apples from evergreen trees at the winder solstice to remind themselves that spring and summer will come again. The evergreen tree was the special plant of their sun god, Baldor. The practice of exchanging gifts at a winter celebration is also pre- Christian and is from the Roman Saturnalia. They would exchange good- luck gifts called Stenae (lucky fruits). They also would have a big feast just like we do today. Mistletoe is from an ancient Druid custom at the winter solstice. Mistletoe was considered a divine plant and it symbolized love and peace. The tradition of kissing under the mistletoe is Druid in origin. The Scandinavian solstice traditions had a lot of influences on our celebration besides the hanging of ornaments on evergreen trees. Their ancient festival was called Yuletide and celebrated the return of the sun. One of their traditions was the Yule log. The log was the center of the trunk of a tree that was dragged to a large fireplace where it was supposed to burn for twelve days. From this comes the twelve days of Christmas. Even the date of Christmas, December 25, was borrowed from another religion. At the time Christmas was created in AD 320, Mithraism was very popular. The early Christian church had gotten tired of their futile efforts to stop people celebrating the solstice and the birthday of Mithras, the Persian sun god. Mithras' birthday was December 25. So the pope at the time decided to make Jesus' official birthday coincide with Mithras' birthday. No one knows what time of year Jesus was actually born but there is evidence to suggest that it was in midsummer. So, if you are celebrating any of the western traditions of Christmas this year, remember that you are actually enjoying the rituals and activities of several ancient religions whose traditions have been borrowed by the Christians over the years for the celebration of the birth of Christ. On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/30/2007 1:01:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Google hits for Food bank Shortage = 181,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2006 = 196,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2005 = 194,000 Google hits for Food bank Shortage 2004 = 199,000 The article said, the shortages at food banks were the worst the organization had seen in 26 years. It didn't say that there weren't food shortages before. Google hits for worst 'Food bank Shortage' = 16 I'll stick with Charity Navigator's 4 Stars, and not these guys trying to incite culture wars at every turn. Google hits for War on Christmas = 270,000 Check out AOL Money Finance's list of the hottest products and top money wastersof 2007. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join
