[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
JR: Most of the time, I'll defend you, but you're past saving now. When did Acorn become the property of Obama? Why are you Repugs afraid of a non-profit group, that helps and defends the poor, when it starts a voter registration drive? Don't believe the hype coming from McCain! Yeah, looks like another steal the vote is now in progress! In 2000, the recount was stopped and the Supremes selected the President. In 2004, the vote was rigged in Ohio and again, Bush rode his tricycle! In 2000, Bush couldn't even walk down Pennsylvania Ave., so many protesters and garbage was thrown at his Black 4 X 4! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Yes, the Monmouth County Democratic Executive Committee will have at least four (4) attorneys on hand election day in Freehold and another group in Congressman Pallone's office in Long Branch. Any problems in Asbury Park should be directed to my cell phone: 732-996-8160 and I will reach out to the attorneys. Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of fancypaaantz Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:57 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate Michael- Are you aware of whether there will be local attorneys or others around to assist voters in AP if there is a voting machine or other issue? I am aware that there will be a number of attorneys available generally, I was just wondering whether there would be any here (as we are not a battle ground state). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com , Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com mailto:AsburyPark%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
BTW I just realized this writer is the gay human/animal rights activist. Cool guy Read an article of his in a cool NJ Gay mag that I can't recall the name of. Go to freehold and vote on paper. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Michael- Are you aware of whether there will be local attorneys or others around to assist voters in AP if there is a voting machine or other issue? I am aware that there will be a number of attorneys available generally, I was just wondering whether there would be any here (as we are not a battle ground state). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. He has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to Clinton Curtis, a Florida computer programmer. He has confirmed that in 2000 he designed an undetectable programme for Republican congressman Tom Feeney. It was created to rig elections by covertly switching votes from one
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=6500 On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:16 PM, justifiedright wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking, particularly via remote modems. Diebold machines were used in counting a substantial proportion of the 2004 votes and will be used again in next week's presidential poll. Two US computer security experts, in their book Black Box Voting [4], state that by entering a two-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created; and this set of votes can be changed in a matter of seconds, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. This is entirely possible, according to
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
It's not Obama's Acorn. It's simply Acorn, and the facts being put out by Fox news are just plain BS. The era of 24/7 news outlets is doing more to hurt this country, if not world, then help it. Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by interference with voting machine and tabulation software. Meacher [3] reported that Diebold company voting machines and optical scanners may not be tamper-proof from hacking,
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you would like to try to understand why Tommy and other desperate republicans keep repeating things that are simply inaccurate have a read on worldview and consciousness here http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1572245336/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link go to page 18 and read the paragraph headed with Consciousness and Worldview heres one line We can get pretty attached to what we think is true, important and real -- even when presented with evidence to the contrary. To a great extent, our worldview determines what we are capable of seeing, and therefore determines our perceptions of reality. Of course this refers to everyone, not just blinded repubs...and has something to do with our failure to come up with solutions to problems. We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Einstein (an elitist) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=6500 On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:16 PM, justifiedright wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2008/10/29-0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida.
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. I did and thank you. It confirmed what I knew. The only area they disagree with McCain about is that Acorn folks have only committed Voter Registration Fraud not Voter Fraud because election day is not here yet. So voter registration fraud is OK then? It's the preparation one must do to commit voter fraud. Factcheck.org gets one thing wrong themselves, in saying the Obama camp in the general election have not worked with Acorn. Michelle Malkin has an invitation on her site to a joint campaign event by Obama and Acorn. Factcheck.org then goes on to confirm not only Obama's connection to Acorn, but also takes him to task for denying it. Thanks again. Confirmed it all for me. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not Obama's Acorn. It's simply Acorn, and the facts being put out by Fox news are just plain BS. The era of 24/7 news outlets is doing more to hurt this country, if not world, then help it. Internet sites are no help either. My daughter has a media class in college. She has to do a research report on a successful website (other then the typical amazon, yahoo etc She picked RentLaw.com. Asked me if she could and I asked her how the teacher defined successful? So I kicked off her research on google - but the teacher wanted to know who was actaully writing about RentLaw.com (or whatever site). Then I explained to her about trusted sites. What is a trusted site or media outlet? In the old days, we would reply the New York Times, Newsweek, WSJ etc. CSB, NBC and ABC take your pick. TODAY the trusted media is completely different. TV: (TVGUY could add here) - ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, CNBC, BBC and Comedy Central (some people like their news the best...) PRINT: Endless publications that come and go based on how it's funded. Newsweek, businessweek, Bloomberg, Forbes etc. Are some publications whims of the wealthy publishers to preach their views of the world? Internet: A dream come true for everyone with a view and access to a computer and basically zero writing skills or real knowledge of the facts. Websites, blogs and Internet groups like this one. We are FREE to express are sometimes insane views as fact and others actaully respond, fueling the fire. And the net enables everyone with a view, a hobby, a camera, a song or sextape to stick it online (publish) for nothing. Technology means we need to be better educated to sort through it all and make decisions based on tons more information - good and bad. SO back to a trusted site(s). In doing a search for RentLaw.com on Google's Book search, there are now a number of publications and writers who wrote a BOOK and referenced RentLaw.com without probably doing much research on the credibility of the site. Is the information correct? Who writes it and edits it? Where is this info coming from? Same for the syndicated news articles that mention it. Same for a couple radio shows. Today, ANYONE can get a press release published on the Internet for pennies, target thousands of people in minutes and direct people to an Internet site that a majority of people will take for FACT. Take a look at GOOGLE AD running for theasburyparkboardwalk.com with the tag The Official site of the vs the unofficial site asburyboardwalk.com Should I be crying? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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So where do you get the ammo to write no proof of it is offered? There's plenty of proof. Here's a link to a story about it on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946 Here's a link from Philadelphia, that has a photo of an actual flyer; http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081002_Vote- scam_fliers_target_black_neighborhoods.html Finally, ever heard of google? http://tinyurl.com/65ml34 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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heres one from VA Published on HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com) Phony flier says Virginians vote on different days RICHMOND A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials. In fact, Election Day, for voters of all political stripes, remains Nov. 4. The somewhat official-looking flier - it features the state board logo and the state seal - is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that an emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the follwing (sic) emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial process. The four-paragraph flier concludes with: We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause but felt this was the only way to ensure fairness to the complete electorial process. No emergency action has been taken by the General Assembly. It is not in session and lacks the authority to change the date of a federal election. State Board of Election officials today said they are aware of the flier but disavowed any connection to it. It's not even on our letterhead; they just copied the logo from our Web site, said agency staffer Ryan Enright, noting the flier has been forwarded to State Police for investigation as a possible incident of voter intimidation. Election officials did not specify in which Hampton Roads localities the flier had been spotted. State Police are aware of the complaint and are looking into it, said spokeswoman Corinne Geller. In 2007, the General Assembly passed a law making it a Class 1 misdemeanor to knowingly communicate false information to registered voters about the date, time and place of the election or voters' precincts, polling places or voter registration statuses in order to impede their voting. The measure is one of the few such deceptive voting practice laws in the country, according to the watchdog group Common Cause. Julian Walker, (804) 697-1564, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source URL (retrieved on 10/29/2008 - 15:31): http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where do you get the ammo to write no proof of it is offered? There's plenty of proof. Here's a link to a story about it on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946 Here's a link from Philadelphia, that has a photo of an actual flyer; http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081002_Vote- scam_fliers_target_black_neighborhoods.html Finally, ever heard of google? http://tinyurl.com/65ml34 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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As I said, once the DNC put out the order to claim voter suppression even when there is none means you have to take these claims with a grain of salt. But let's see if you can play fair: Are you going to claim as the same size problem a flier found on a road in Virginia, with... Massive registration fraud being investigated in 14 states for tens of thousands of illegal registrations, by Acorn which has received millions of dollars in tax money and has endorsed and is working with a candidate for president? The two are equal? Really? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: heres one from VA Published on HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com) Phony flier says Virginians vote on different days RICHMOND A phony State Board of Elections flier advising Republicans to vote on Nov. 4 and Democrats on Nov. 5 is being circulated in several Hampton Roads localities, according to state elections officials. In fact, Election Day, for voters of all political stripes, remains Nov. 4. The somewhat official-looking flier - it features the state board logo and the state seal - is dated Oct. 24 and indicates that an emergency session of the General Assembly has adopted the follwing (sic) emergency regulations to ease the load on local electorial (sic) precincts and ensure a fair electorial process. The four-paragraph flier concludes with: We are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause but felt this was the only way to ensure fairness to the complete electorial process. No emergency action has been taken by the General Assembly. It is not in session and lacks the authority to change the date of a federal election. State Board of Election officials today said they are aware of the flier but disavowed any connection to it. It's not even on our letterhead; they just copied the logo from our Web site, said agency staffer Ryan Enright, noting the flier has been forwarded to State Police for investigation as a possible incident of voter intimidation. Election officials did not specify in which Hampton Roads localities the flier had been spotted. State Police are aware of the complaint and are looking into it, said spokeswoman Corinne Geller. In 2007, the General Assembly passed a law making it a Class 1 misdemeanor to knowingly communicate false information to registered voters about the date, time and place of the election or voters' precincts, polling places or voter registration statuses in order to impede their voting. The measure is one of the few such deceptive voting practice laws in the country, according to the watchdog group Common Cause. Julian Walker, (804) 697-1564, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Source URL (retrieved on 10/29/2008 - 15:31): http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: So where do you get the ammo to write no proof of it is offered? There's plenty of proof. Here's a link to a story about it on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95509946 Here's a link from Philadelphia, that has a photo of an actual flyer; http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20081002_Vote- scam_fliers_target_black_neighborhoods.html Finally, ever heard of google? http://tinyurl.com/65ml34 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Also, let's also mention that certain rouge factions of the Republican party have gone into certain communities and put out fliers telling them if they go to vote, and they have outstanding warrants, they'll be arrested. In other places, similar fliers are telling people that the election date has been changed from the 4th to the 5th. The same is claimed every year, and no proof of it is offered. Remember the DNC put out a handbook asking people Democrats to claim voter suppression even if there is none. You must have read the handbook. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You know that there are multiple paragraphs in there about Obama's connection to Acorn and even disagreeing with his denials. You didn't post one. You posted others under Selective Reading. I thought you were talking about you for leaving out all the bad stuff the site you referred me to about Obama. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Thank you for admitting to selective reading. Wish you would read the whole article. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Selective reading... ACORN workers.. But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn't do, not to stuff ballot boxes But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting. Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. ACORN also says it cannot simply discard suspicious forms on its own, but is required by law in most states to submit to local election officials all the forms its canvassers bring in. ACORN's Whelan told us that its own legal counsel strongly advises that the group do the same in states that don't explicitly require it, because only election officials are legally able to determine the validity of a voter registration application. Oh and Neither ACORN's Chicago office nor CSI has been accused of voter registration irregularities. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. = I warned the group. The newer members should review the archives for the postings of bluebishop82 and justifiedright. Twisting words and ignoring context are the pattern. Hard to resist the bait - that's the problem. Also - WHY is it so difficult to have political discussion in the group specifically created for that purpose ? I keep asking this without an answer being put forth. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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You are right, and you can also see from my previous posts that I agree with you. He posts these things and you can almost see a smug little smile on his face when he types, then he wants to twist everything around to try and prove some point that 95% of us would not agree with. In a way its like a lawyering trait gone horribly wrong. Lawyers do like to argue, but Tommy argues with twisted facts and strange conclusions. And if the argument may end, he'll just twist it some more to keep it going, arguing for arguments sake. It is annoying. DO you remember that more recent thread about the mission? He was saying something about how he thought Stand Up was anti-Christian or something, and everyone's posts got all twisted around and the argument went on forever! We really should just ignore the bait! Although I know it is hard! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: Now you are going to twist my words around? I did read the whole article- I was referring to your selective reading. Honestly Tommy, this is where you always make yourself look bad and why the rest of us should never even respond to you. = I warned the group. The newer members should review the archives for the postings of bluebishop82 and justifiedright. Twisting words and ignoring context are the pattern. Hard to resist the bait - that's the problem. Also - WHY is it so difficult to have political discussion in the group specifically created for that purpose ? I keep asking this without an answer being put forth. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you don't agree with the bleeding heart liberals you are a troll. I'll wear that badge proudly. I think it is time for a ride on the trolley to the neighborhood of make believe. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:26 PM What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondr eams.org/ headline/ 2008/10/29- 0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/ UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election irregularities in 2004 in Florida. These irregularities, all of which were associated with electronic voting machines, appear to have awarded between 130,000 to 260,000 additional votes to Bush. The discrepancies between paper and electronic voting could be the result of simple technological glitches. But some experts detect something more sinister: outright vote fixing by
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right, and you can also see from my previous posts that I agree with you. He posts these things and you can almost see a smug little smile on his face when he types, then he wants to twist everything around to try and prove some point that 95% of us would not agree with. In a way its like a lawyering trait gone horribly wrong. Lawyers do like to argue, but Tommy argues with twisted facts and strange conclusions. And if the argument may end, he'll just twist it some more to keep it going, arguing for arguments sake. It is annoying. Hey Fancy - A dollar to the Charity of your choice for every wrong fact I posted since you've been here. Go ahead and list them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
No, it is when you say things just to get a rise out of people for argument's sake that you are a troll. bleeding heart liberal nice one! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mike Hemeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't agree with the bleeding heart liberals you are a troll. I'll wear that badge proudly. I think it is time for a ride on the trolley to the neighborhood of make believe. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:26 PM What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondr eams.org/ headline/ 2008/10/29- 0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/ UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In Wisconsin and Ohio, the discrepancy favoured Bush by 4 per cent, in Pennsylvania by 5 per cent, in Florida and Minnesota by 7 per cent, in North Carolina by 9 per cent and in New Hampshire by a whopping 15 per cent. Research by the University of Berkeley, California, revealed election
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate
If you have a postion wear it don't hide from it. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: fancypaaantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 4:36 PM No, it is when you say things just to get a rise out of people for argument's sake that you are a troll. bleeding heart liberal nice one! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Mike Hemeon tvnetdude2000@ ... wrote: If you don't agree with the bleeding heart liberals you are a troll. I'll wear that badge proudly. I think it is time for a ride on the trolley to the neighborhood of make believe. --- On Wed, 10/29/08, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... wrote: From: fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ ... Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 2:26 PM What makes you a troll, unlike Oak, is that you say thinks like the below that are just downright inflamatory. I know I should not even engage, but go to factcheck.org and read about Acorn if you would like to educate yourself. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ ... wrote: Or call Obama's Acorn, and they'll help you vote dozens and dozens of times! Remember the good old days when the left just yelled voter fraud even when there was none (that's right out of the DNC hand book - I can link it if you wish). Now they've graduated to performing illegal acts of voter fraud, and the issue seems to be no big deal anymore. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Michael W. Brim mwbnj@ wrote: If you feel your vote will not be counted, as outlined below. You can make sure it is counted the way it should be! Take the 20 minute drive (+/-) and head over to the Monmouth County Board of Elections, 300 Halls Mill Road, Freehold. You may have to stand in lines to vote by absentee ballot, but it will be a paper vote vs. the bad machine! Michael Michael W. Brim, Municipal Chairman Asbury Park Democratic Executive Committee 321 Sunset Avenue, Unit 5F Asbury Park NJ 07712-5550 Cell: 732-996-8160 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:AsburyPark@ yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Gabrielle Obre Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate This is FREAKING me out. No intention to troll, just reach more people. This is ONE of MANY articles. Call in the international election monitors! http://www.commondr eams.org/ headline/ 2008/10/29- 0 Published on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 by The Independent/ UK The Vote Grab: Voting Machines Are Unreliable and Inaccurate by Peter Tatchell As early voting in the US presidential elections gets underway, ESS iVotronics touch-screen electronic voting machines have been observed in four separate states [1] flipping the votes - mostly from Barack Obama to John McCain but sometimes to third party candidates too. This has already occurred during early voting in the states of West Virginia, Tennessee, Missouri and Texas. A county clerk in West Virginia invited a video crew to watch his demonstration of the reliability of the disputed voting machines but instead he saw the machine flipping the votes, as critics claimed. He put this down to the faulty calibration of the voting machine. However, even after he recalibrated the machine it continued to flip votes. Watch the video here: This is further evidence that the electronic voting machines that will be used in the 4 November election are not reliable and accurate - that they are prone to malfunction and may not record the actual vote winner. Democrats are not the only people who are worried. Stephen Spoonamore, a Republican security expert, explains why electronic voting is inherently unsafe in an eight part series of interviews. You can watch Part 1, and access Parts 2 to 7, here [2]. Writing in the New Statesman way back in 2004, reflecting on criticisms of the electronic voting systems used in the presidential election that year, Michael Meacher MP pointed out that statisticians, academics and political analysts had highlighted significant voting differences [3] between electoral districts that used paper ballots and those that used electronic systems. These cannot be explained by random variation. The investigators found a much larger variance than expected and in every case it favoured George W Bush over John Kerry. In
