[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Good that someone actually goes to those meetings to report back.
Thats where all the 'funny business' happens in most towns.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj wernera...@...
wrote:
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap newbeetoap@
wrote:
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From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got
screwed in that deal.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote:
...
I'm not up to date on how things were left with the
bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower
half,
and the upper half was set for a later date?
==
As I recall from attending the Planning Board Hearing, The only
approval for permanent
renovations was granted for the !st Ave Pavilion.
The work on the 3rd and 5th Ave Pavilions was approved as Temporary
pending the
submission of Permanant plans.
Temporary was discussed as 5 years I believe. The work completed
certainly does not
appear 'temporary' and it may be a loophole being used to avoid
paying Property Taxes.
Werner
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[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Wow - you really dont get it do you? Materials is part of design. Likeing or not liking a building is different from recognizing that a particular building is unique in design and worth keeping original. How many people would buy a house and then stucco one third orange, brick third yellow and side one third green? It would be rediculous and the neighbors would have a fit. What does HoJo have to do with it? I was saying that the building could have been restored to its original appearance AND the CURRENT businesses could still be in there. From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got screwed in that deal. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why must everything be designed in 'suburban-stucco- modern' architechture ? I'm still picturing that bandstand building, how badly it was butchered architecturally. And how easy it would have been to preserve it as the really unique piece of AP that it is. It would still be occupied by the same businesses. Nothing would be different except it would look like its supposed to, like it was designed to be. I don't mind the modern boardwalk buildings. I like them. Were the previous buildings made of brick really that different then what was going up around them at the time? I don't know, so i'm asking. It seems like those types of bricks were popular during the time period. Not a stand out matieral, that separted the boardwalk from other buildings around towns and citys. I'm speaking about matiearls, not design. Preservation is one thing, but to say it would still be occupied by the same businesses is crazy. It was empty other then HOJO? HOJO's days were numbered as it was, not because of it's location, but the whole chain itself. I'm not up to date on how things were left with the bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower half, and the upper half was set for a later date? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, New Beetoap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... From what Ive read that seems to have been the intent but AP got screwed in that deal. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote: ... I'm not up to date on how things were left with the bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower half, and the upper half was set for a later date? == As I recall from attending the Planning Board Hearing, The only approval for permanent renovations was granted for the !st Ave Pavilion. The work on the 3rd and 5th Ave Pavilions was approved as Temporary pending the submission of Permanant plans. Temporary was discussed as 5 years I believe. The work completed certainly does not appear 'temporary' and it may be a loophole being used to avoid paying Property Taxes. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Temporary was discussed as 5 years I believe. The work completed certainly does not appear 'temporary' and it may be a loophole being used to avoid paying Property Taxes. One of first thing an investor can do is to look to reduce or eliminate expenses. Real Estate Taxes are one of the largest expenses that investors try, or should look into, reducing. On a temporary basis, is may be ok. If it (the reduced taxes) become permanent - then the city goes deeper into a hole. Like GM, Ford and the rest - but we have a planthis time, we swear we do... In land banking, since the land has no value into built upon or sold, one must eliminate any buildings that cause an expense. A lot is considered undeveloped land. That is, until you put a PARKING LOT ON IT that should be taxable. What were/are the taxes and tax abatements granted on the buildings? What are the taxes on the new first ave pav? How much is abated? For how long? Are the cans taxed? Or are they temporary. It's not temppary when attached by one or means to the ground The city should have an ordinance that if a building is removed for the purpose of building in the future, then a % of the taxes prior to removal REMAIN and increase y to y as incentive for the property to be redeveloped or taxes recaptured. Like farmland that goes to development. The city cannot provide services without taxing for it. Springsteen and the State can't support it forever. Lucky there's good people and programs to support recreation programs like little league or soccer. Without it who would fund the programs? Taxes?? What if every city employee donated one of their accumulated sick day back to one of the rec programs? Like to see one of the math gurus come up with what that number is. Guess. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
And why must everything be designed in 'suburban-stucco- modern' architechture ? I'm still picturing that bandstand building, how badly it was butchered architecturally. And how easy it would have been to preserve it as the really unique piece of AP that it is. It would still be occupied by the same businesses. Nothing would be different except it would look like its supposed to, like it was designed to be. I don't mind the modern boardwalk buildings. I like them. Were the previous buildings made of brick really that different then what was going up around them at the time? I don't know, so i'm asking. It seems like those types of bricks were popular during the time period. Not a stand out matieral, that separted the boardwalk from other buildings around towns and citys. I'm speaking about matiearls, not design. Preservation is one thing, but to say it would still be occupied by the same businesses is crazy. It was empty other then HOJO? HOJO's days were numbered as it was, not because of it's location, but the whole chain itself. I'm not up to date on how things were left with the bandshell. I'm still thinking work was promissed on the lower half, and the upper half was set for a later date? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
And why must everything be designed in 'suburban-stucco-modern' architechture ? I'm still picturing that bandstand building, how badly it was butchered architecturally. And how easy it would have been to preserve it as the really unique piece of AP that it is. It would still be occupied by the same businesses. Nothing would be different except it would look like its supposed to, like it was designed to be. And the bandstand would be usable. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? If we still had as many venues as we once had, and outdoor summer concerts on the beach, and the Arthur Pryor Bandshell in use, then we'd plenty to attact people. The city lost a huge opportunity by letting it's musical heritage slip away. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have already suggested, but I don't know There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the works...), etc watch for them soon. Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The real history of AP's real glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone else to trip over them. Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. Add to that AP's undocumented history... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on the walls and in books? That's it? How about something a bit more dramatic. There's a whole mystery behind the Morro C. === The Morro Castle grounded across from the Sunset Avenue Pavilion. I cant think of a more appropriate place for a museum/memorial than one of the storefronts there. It would create a attraction to venture north beyond the ConHall. Recall that there is no commercial/retail activity in that corridor. Hopefully someone will not expect me to fix my house before running with that idea. :-( Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Thanks for picking up on the word brilliantly... The old ads are a piece of history themselves. AP was one of THE destinations. Imagine if there were hotels or motels for people to say at once they came in for entertainment. Especially FREE entertainment combined with the paid entertainement. Which goes back to whoever posted about their weekend condo and coming down for the weekend and going to dinner once... While that is great and doesn't impact the schools or real services of everyday AP (therefore the taxes paid aren't used) - it doesn't do much for the guy in town on a daily basisand an example of how many condos will be used. But, someone can say that those part-timers will spend MORE money when they are in town then those full0time residents. T or F? Mosquito free AP (another old ad) AP had no marsh lands... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? If we still had as many venues as we once had, and outdoor summer concerts on the beach, and the Arthur Pryor Bandshell in use, then we'd plenty to attact people. The city lost a huge opportunity by letting it's musical heritage slip away. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have already suggested, but I don't know There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the works...), etc watch for them soon. Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The real history of AP's real glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone else to trip over them. Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. Add to that AP's undocumented history... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James Cagney (in dictating a letter to Pat O'Brien regarding what a third person is supposed to be saying to his missing wife) says, I did not go down on the Morro Castle! And at the conclusion of the 1935 Spencer Tracy film Dante's Inferno a gambling cruise ship (resembling the Morro Castle) is completely ablaze. The 1944 movie Minstral Man also features the fire and sinking of the Morro Castle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the memorial there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since 9/11, but before that, when it was open, I made a visit once. The person at the visitors center said that maybe a few 100 people visit every year, with less as the years go by. If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions, and if the price is right, they are usually recession proof. Austin TX thrives because of it's music and entertainment scene. Memphis has Beele street. Nashville is all about music tourism. NYC packs people into their theaters and concert halls, and below that there's a myriad of places that carry on the tradition of CBGBs etc. AP once had that kind of draw, but the venues are disappearing, and the boardwalk has been made into a high end retail location that I predict will fail big time this winter. If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. But, my thoughts on this are a complete waste, because it's just not going to happen, because our city doesn't recognize what it let slip thru it's fingers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James Cagney (in dictating a letter to Pat O'Brien regarding what a third person is supposed to be saying to his missing wife) says, I did not go down on the Morro Castle! And at the conclusion of the 1935 Spencer Tracy film Dante's Inferno a gambling cruise ship (resembling the Morro Castle) is completely ablaze. The 1944 movie Minstral Man also features the fire and sinking of the Morro Castle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? True to an extent. You need BIG things like BIG entertainment and little things like regular free entertainment and something as simple as a plaque. AP kept the morro around for a couple years then because people wanted to see it sitting there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
Yeah, I could see a walk thru, well done museum about the Morro Castle, but I think the public would need a reintroduction to it, because I doubt many people living today still have a conscience connection between AP and that disaster. AP also has Bud Abbott and Arthur Pryor in it's history. I also think that we have a history involving the African American community that's been all but overlooked. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? True to an extent. You need BIG things like BIG entertainment and little things like regular free entertainment and something as simple as a plaque. AP kept the morro around for a couple years then because people wanted to see it sitting there. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
In a message dated 11/25/2008 10:20:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions,... If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. = I'm all for the focus on music you mention above. But a few years ago, before Cookman and our boardwalk came alive again, I used to take visitors to Point Pleasant Beach where the Tiki Bar was my favorite destination. ;-) A few benny friends spotted Jenkinson's aquarium and and wanted to go in. Never an aquarium fan, I had to be dragged into the place. Turned out it was entertaining and great fun. I realize that it isn't a simple attraction--looks like they didn't take the cheapest route--so we may not be ready for such risks -- yet. But I also see their web site is inviting tourists to the Aquarium's Sea of Lights, dressed in its holiday best during December and into January: http://www.jenkinsons.com/aquarium/index.cfm Happy Thanksgiving all. **One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/ ?optin=new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom0001) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
I sometimes feel like I live in a different place than some of the posters. ap has been crazy busy the past few weekends as far as I can tell, isn't it ALREADY an attraction. Maybe fun is an attraction. Feels that way to me. Sat nite Stella looked busy, Paradise was packed and throbbing with dancers. Wonder Bar looked humming, there were cars all over the place. it seems like there are a lot of people on the board trying to eat the menu instead of the food. instead of living the coulda woulda shoulda existence, how about getting out and diving into it? and dropping some of your cash. lots of others are. you can be concerned about the budget AND dig the place. BTW drinks are affordable at Paradise and they had a special on absolut. Paradise is a beautifully mixed crowd, lights and sound are amazing. plus you get the buff men in cock socks. sorry guys it is what it is. you can spend a lot of time thinking ap (and life) could be better than it is, but you'll just die without having tasted what is offered which is pretty delicious. and you'll be as miserable and perception challenged as the anonymous maubdy who only posts to bash Werner. or the even more miserable code asshole who keeps getting off on giving him violations. what is that guy's deal? and what in God's name sleeps with him? he seems to be a perfect example of what Wilhelm Reich wrote about in Listen Little Man. somebody's pawn, somebody's bitch. maybe maubdy and he are the same person.? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the memorial there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since 9/11, but before that, when it was open, I made a visit once. The person at the visitors center said that maybe a few 100 people visit every year, with less as the years go by. If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions, and if the price is right, they are usually recession proof. Austin TX thrives because of it's music and entertainment scene. Memphis has Beele street. Nashville is all about music tourism. NYC packs people into their theaters and concert halls, and below that there's a myriad of places that carry on the tradition of CBGBs etc. AP once had that kind of draw, but the venues are disappearing, and the boardwalk has been made into a high end retail location that I predict will fail big time this winter. If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. But, my thoughts on this are a complete waste, because it's just not going to happen, because our city doesn't recognize what it let slip thru it's fingers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James Cagney (in dictating a letter to Pat O'Brien regarding what a third person is supposed to be saying to his missing wife) says, I did not go down on the Morro Castle! And at the conclusion of the 1935 Spencer Tracy film Dante's Inferno a gambling cruise ship (resembling the Morro Castle) is completely ablaze. The 1944 movie Minstral Man also features the fire and sinking of the Morro Castle. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to:
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You're right, AP is an attraction when music events are in town. Without them, it would be more of a ghost town. For me, the point is that it's obvious what will bring new people to the city, entertainment and dining. I think that should be the focus of new PR campaigns. The high end retail on the boardwalk isn't going to succeed year round in my opinion, and it's probably not going to succeed in the summer months too, because in our economy, people aren't showing up at a beach to go shopping at a mall. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gabrielle Obre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sometimes feel like I live in a different place than some of the posters. ap has been crazy busy the past few weekends as far as I can tell, isn't it ALREADY an attraction. Maybe fun is an attraction. Feels that way to me. Sat nite Stella looked busy, Paradise was packed and throbbing with dancers. Wonder Bar looked humming, there were cars all over the place. it seems like there are a lot of people on the board trying to eat the menu instead of the food. instead of living the coulda woulda shoulda existence, how about getting out and diving into it? and dropping some of your cash. lots of others are. you can be concerned about the budget AND dig the place. BTW drinks are affordable at Paradise and they had a special on absolut. Paradise is a beautifully mixed crowd, lights and sound are amazing. plus you get the buff men in cock socks. sorry guys it is what it is. you can spend a lot of time thinking ap (and life) could be better than it is, but you'll just die without having tasted what is offered which is pretty delicious. and you'll be as miserable and perception challenged as the anonymous maubdy who only posts to bash Werner. or the even more miserable code asshole who keeps getting off on giving him violations. what is that guy's deal? and what in God's name sleeps with him? he seems to be a perfect example of what Wilhelm Reich wrote about in Listen Little Man. somebody's pawn, somebody's bitch. maybe maubdy and he are the same person.? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Yeah, but unless you are a history buff, or a local, how many people would actually take the time to visit just for the Morro Castle? The Hindenburgh disaster happened at Lakehurst, and people rarely visit the memorial there. I'm not sure if the airbase has been closed to the public since 9/11, but before that, when it was open, I made a visit once. The person at the visitors center said that maybe a few 100 people visit every year, with less as the years go by. If I had my say, I'd steer our boardwalk area to be focused on music and entertainment. Those are proven attractions, and if the price is right, they are usually recession proof. Austin TX thrives because of it's music and entertainment scene. Memphis has Beele street. Nashville is all about music tourism. NYC packs people into their theaters and concert halls, and below that there's a myriad of places that carry on the tradition of CBGBs etc. AP once had that kind of draw, but the venues are disappearing, and the boardwalk has been made into a high end retail location that I predict will fail big time this winter. If AP had a rock and roll museum that highlighted Bruce and the others who are tied to our city, people would come from all over the US, Europe and the world to check it out. But, my thoughts on this are a complete waste, because it's just not going to happen, because our city doesn't recognize what it let slip thru it's fingers. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Isn't the simplest, and most obvious attraction to AP it's music scene? Why just have ONE (type) attraction to bring people in? More people in town for MORE reasons, year round = more people spending more money. Disaster Tourism. Ever go to universal and go on the earthquake ride (think they changed the name) There's a hundred angles you can go with this. Start simple. Some memorial and few notes about the mystery of the Morro and the scandals that followed it. Put it this way. If the Titanic sunk off the coast of AP, there probably would of been no movie of it or no memorial. In the mid-1980s, HBO television aired a dramatization of the fire in their Catastrophe series, called The Last Voyage of the Morro Castle. In 2002, the AE television network made a documentary about the incident. . --- Despite the fascinating tragedy and mystery of the Morro Castle Disaster, no film for theatrical distribution nor even a television movie was made of the story. However there have been references to it. In the 1938 film Boy Meets Girl, James
[AsburyPark] Re: Why is it we miss a simple attraction to AP???
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right, AP is an attraction when music events are in town. Without them, it would be more of a ghost town. and come the spring and summer people will be complaing there's not enough parking, they had to wait to eat, they saw two men holding hands, the water park water was cold etc... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on the walls and in books? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was given to AP years ago and some creative historian may have already suggested, but I don't know There isn't a Morro Castle display, memorial, replicas (in the works...), etc watch for them soon. Would be interesting to have that some place on the boardwalk. The real history of AP's real glory days or gay days lay around just waiting for someone else to trip over them. Not many towns have such documented history hidden away. Add to that AP's undocumented history... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't Ms. Harris' place on the boards have much of the history on the walls and in books? That's it? How about something a bit more dramatic. There's a whole mystery behind the Morro C. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
