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To borrow a line, No Brag, Just Fact (A drink to the first person to identify the source of that) Werner Walter Brennan. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I'm with you Allan. Werner your reply is for no real reason both condesending and a bit nasty, apparently because you have a different point of view so everyone else must be wrong. Can't someone have an opinion that is not yours, or are you always right and all-knowing? Asburycouple, (who are you anyway?) My apologies if you find my comments offensive. You are way off the mark with your assumptions as to my motivations. Opinions are one thing, conclusions based upon experience and evidence are another. Just what is your familiarity with this redevelopment? Funny that you should think me a 'know-it-all, sorry that is my nature. Who has been here for 28 years? Who was mentored by our past City Planner? Who started the Historical Society? Who was twice awarded scholorships by the National Trust? Who represented the City at 2 National Peservation Conferences? Who applied for millions of dollars in Preservation Grants? Who was appointed the Offical City Historian Who was the first Official to complete the States Main Street program? Who got the beachfront listed on Save Americas Treasures? Who was accepted by the Zoning Board as an advisor? Who was accepted by the Planning Board as an advisor? Who was called as an expert witness in Federal Court by the FBI? Who has attended more board and committee meetings? Who has studied this redevelopment since the very begining? (I'm sure I left out a few items) Until you find someone with comparable or better experience, I'm honored to serve as the local know-it-all. Werner, I love that tag, Resident Know-it-all! You have done MORE, than your fair share of getting it together! Ignore the haters! Sharon Have all the opinions you like, When you want more than that just ask. To borrow a line, No Brag, Just Fact (A drink to the first person to identify the source of that) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People are not allowed to express their opinion? I personally like the work don on the Wesley project along cookman. I think the design is good and the buildings show some character. I am also quite surprise how much has been done since I recall reading not too long ago that the work had stopped. Allan, Certainly you can have your opinion, but what is it worth, what is it based upon? A personal like or dislike of something is irrelevent in the context of a discussion of redevelopment. For example, while you may 'like' the design of Wesley Grove it, in fact, violates the very plan that was adopted and promised to the public. The block face of Cookman was supposd to display at least 2 different architectural styles. There were to be pedestrian and view corridors through the block to Wesley Lake. The architcture and monotony of the townhouse side is an insult to the existing National Historic District. When weighed against the anticipated development 'sold' to the public, Wesley Grove is a failure and not in the best interests of Asbury Park. That is the conclusion one would find if knowledgable of the facts. Regarding the pace of construction, it is extremely slow. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you Allan. Werner your reply is for no real reason both condesending and a bit nasty, apparently because you have a different point of view so everyone else must be wrong. Can't someone have an opinion that is not yours, or are you always right and all-knowing? Asburycouple, (who are you anyway?) My apologies if you find my comments offensive. You are way off the mark with your assumptions as to my motivations. Opinions are one thing, conclusions based upon experience and evidence are another. Just what is your familiarity with this redevelopment? Funny that you should think me a 'know-it-all, sorry that is my nature. Who has been here for 28 years? Who was mentored by our past City Planner? Who started the Historical Society? Who was twice awarded scholorships by the National Trust? Who represented the City at 2 National Peservation Conferences? Who applied for millions of dollars in Preservation Grants? Who was appointed the Offical City Historian Who was the first Official to complete the States Main Street program? Who got the beachfront listed on Save Americas Treasures? Who was accepted by the Zoning Board as an advisor? Who was accepted by the Planning Board as an advisor? Who was called as an expert witness in Federal Court by the FBI? Who has attended more board and committee meetings? Who has studied this redevelopment since the very begining? (I'm sure I left out a few items) Until you find someone with comparable or better experience, I'm honored to serve as the local know-it-all. Have all the opinions you like, When you want more than that just ask. To borrow a line, No Brag, Just Fact (A drink to the first person to identify the source of that) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
Hey Werner. No worries. I really do respect your knowledge and value the historical perspective you bring to this board. My comment was not directed toward your knowledge of the past history of this city but an at-times apparent unwillingness to accept others points of view about the future of it that comes off in writing a bit condesending. Preserving the proud history of Asbury Park is important and should be a guide to the future (and has been grossly neglected in our current efforts), but it is not the only consideration. Everyone has a right to their opinions about the future and sometimes they might even be right, even if through the lens of an historical perspective of our past they might not seem so. PS. My name is Scott - nice to meet you. Asburycouple, (who are you anyway?) My apologies if you find my comments offensive. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
Will Sonnett's catchphrase from The Guns of Will Sonnett - I'll enjoy meeting you for that drink! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I'm with you Allan. Werner your reply is for no real reason both condesending and a bit nasty, apparently because you have a different point of view so everyone else must be wrong. Can't someone have an opinion that is not yours, or are you always right and all-knowing? Asburycouple, (who are you anyway?) My apologies if you find my comments offensive. You are way off the mark with your assumptions as to my motivations. Opinions are one thing, conclusions based upon experience and evidence are another. Just what is your familiarity with this redevelopment? Funny that you should think me a 'know-it-all, sorry that is my nature. Who has been here for 28 years? Who was mentored by our past City Planner? Who started the Historical Society? Who was twice awarded scholorships by the National Trust? Who represented the City at 2 National Peservation Conferences? Who applied for millions of dollars in Preservation Grants? Who was appointed the Offical City Historian Who was the first Official to complete the States Main Street program? Who got the beachfront listed on Save Americas Treasures? Who was accepted by the Zoning Board as an advisor? Who was accepted by the Planning Board as an advisor? Who was called as an expert witness in Federal Court by the FBI? Who has attended more board and committee meetings? Who has studied this redevelopment since the very begining? (I'm sure I left out a few items) Until you find someone with comparable or better experience, I'm honored to serve as the local know-it-all. Have all the opinions you like, When you want more than that just ask. To borrow a line, No Brag, Just Fact (A drink to the first person to identify the source of that) Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
Will Sonnett's catchphrase from The Guns of Will Sonnett - I'll enjoy meeting you for that drink! Funny that you should think me a 'know-it-all, sorry that is my nature. Internet Genius. Where would be without them. Kind of hard to miss a final jeapordy question. M grandmother would be proud. Maybe the Google boys will just buy everyone out of AP. I think they can still afford another $1.6 BILLION t buy everyone out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Werner. No worries. I really do respect your knowledge and value the historical perspective you bring to this board. My comment was not directed toward your knowledge of the past history of this city but an at-times apparent unwillingness to accept others points of view about the future of it that comes off in writing a bit condesending. Thank you, It is difficult to to remain level when so many errors in redevelopment are made that could have been avoided. Unfortunately, redevelopment is not about opinions or points of view, it is about repairing a damaged community and doing what is in the best interests of the public. Historical perspective just helps make better decissions by avoiding past failures and embracing past successes. Preserving the proud history of Asbury Park is important and should be a guide to the future (and has been grossly neglected in our current efforts), but it is not the only consideration. Everyone has a right to their opinions about the future and sometimes they might even be right, even if through the lens of an historical perspective of our past they might not seem so. 'Grossly neglected' is an understatement. Yes, history is not everything. However, economics, public rights, community character, etc are all related to the local history and in the case of AP that history and economic potential is much more significant than other redevelopment areas. The lens to use is - What is the best thing to do, that will benefit the most, with the least effort, while preserving what is significant. When measured against those goals the current path is seriously flawed. PS. My name is Scott - nice to meet you. Hello Scott Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will Sonnett's catchphrase from The Guns of Will Sonnett - I'll enjoy meeting you for that drink! WE HAVE A WINNER ! - let's hit the Wonder Bar and I'll show you the street changes I've been writing about. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
I am well aware. Even if you don't see finished results, does not mean a project has come to a hault. One could have gathered that from the read. It is the Asbury spin zone. - Original Message From: charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 6:38:06 PMSubject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave " I am also quite surprise how much has been done since I recall reading not too long ago that the work had stopped." i think work had stopped, beasue they were awaiting materials. all the owrk thats being done now, is with concrete facades and bricks. its possiable thats what they were waiting on. it seemed like before they stopped, they were all set up. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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Just an additional item, It will not be one way. It will be 2 way traffic with no parking. Not only have they narrowed Ocean Ave, Changed it to 2 way traffic, They have eliminated parking in front of Convention Hall. Brilliant ! Werner --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i walked around the construction in front of convention hall today. the newly curved part of ocean ave look good. it looks more like how i thought it was sopose to look. it truely is best to wait till something is done, or close to done, before you make a verdict. oringally i thought it was headed in the complete opposite direction as to how it was presnted to us. but things are looking good now. however i am puzzled as to why its only one way??? maybe because anyhthing north of convention hall is considered a park like setting no one will really go over that way. and if you live there, youd probably be entering north beach off 7th ave. (or maybe its 8th) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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x-tad-bigger Not only have they narrowed Ocean Ave, Changed it to 2 way traffic, They have eliminated /x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger parking in front of Convention Hall. Brilliant !/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger Werner/x-tad-bigger That's ok, they hardly use the building anyway. Upstage Magazine - New Jersey's Premier Arts Entertainment Magazine PO Box 140, Spring Lake, NJ 07762(732) 280-3305 http://www.UpstageMagazine.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
People are not allowed to express their opinion? I personally like the work don on the Wesley project along cookman. I think the design is good and the buildings show some character. I am also quite surprise how much has been done since I recall reading not too long ago that the work had stopped. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 6:23:27 AMSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave Chuck, Since you took the time to look around,Did you notice that the new curbs are actally BELOW the existing street grade?This is a huge engineering mistake. The new west edge of Ocean Ave is 2 or 3 feet below the level of the parkThe new east edge is 1 or 2 feet below the Convention Hall side walk.In all likelyhood all of this will need to be torn out and rebuilt at the proper grades to account for what is already there. Apparantly no one thought to design this to fit the existing surroundings.Did you notice that 21 feet of Sunset Avenue is being removed? The north edge of the park is being moved toward the BC Hotel. This is the area used for hotel and event parking. Also the area where trucks using CH will need to travel.Conplete stupidity, there is absolutely no reason to narrow Sunset Avenue by 21 feet. Just leave it the way it is !!! Narrower streets are not an asset.Chuck, With all do respect, you have a habit of looking at things and just concluding that "it looks good to me" Do yourself a favor and actually think about what you're looking at in the larger context.BTW, do you still think the Weley Lake townhouses are not all identical as you wrote months ago?Werner--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ ... wrote: i walked around the construction in front of convention hall today. the newly curved part of ocean ave look good. it looks more like how i thought it was sopose to look. it truely is best to wait till something is done, or close to done, before you make a verdict. oringally i thought it was headed in the complete opposite direction as to how it was presnted to us. but things are looking good now. however i am puzzled as to why its only one way??? maybe because anyhthing north of convention hall is considered a "park like setting" no one will really go over that way. and if you live there, youd probably be entering north beach off 7th ave. (or maybe its 8th) - - --- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave
I'm with you Allan. Werner your reply is for no real reason both condesending and a bit nasty, apparently because you have a different point of view so everyone else must be wrong. Can't someone have an opinion that is not yours, or are you always right and all-knowing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People are not allowed to express their opinion? I personally like the work don on the Wesley project along cookman. I think the design is good and the buildings show some character. I am also quite surprise how much has been done since I recall reading not too long ago that the work had stopped. - Original Message From: wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 6:23:27 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: ocean ave Chuck, Since you took the time to look around, Did you notice that the new curbs are actally BELOW the existing street grade? This is a huge engineering mistake. The new west edge of Ocean Ave is 2 or 3 feet below the level of the park The new east edge is 1 or 2 feet below the Convention Hall side walk. In all likelyhood all of this will need to be torn out and rebuilt at the proper grades to account for what is already there. Apparantly no one thought to design this to fit the existing surroundings. Did you notice that 21 feet of Sunset Avenue is being removed? The north edge of the park is being moved toward the BC Hotel. This is the area used for hotel and event parking. Also the area where trucks using CH will need to travel. Conplete stupidity, there is absolutely no reason to narrow Sunset Avenue by 21 feet. Just leave it the way it is !!! Narrower streets are not an asset. Chuck, With all do respect, you have a habit of looking at things and just concluding that it looks good to me Do yourself a favor and actually think about what you're looking at in the larger context. BTW, do you still think the Weley Lake townhouses are not all identical as you wrote months ago? Werner --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ ... wrote: i walked around the construction in front of convention hall today. the newly curved part of ocean ave look good. it looks more like how i thought it was sopose to look. it truely is best to wait till something is done, or close to done, before you make a verdict. oringally i thought it was headed in the complete opposite direction as to how it was presnted to us. but things are looking good now. however i am puzzled as to why its only one way??? maybe because anyhthing north of convention hall is considered a park like setting no one will really go over that way. and if you live there, youd probably be entering north beach off 7th ave. (or maybe its 8th) - - --- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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"Chuck, With all do respect, you have a habit of looking at things and just concluding that "it looks good to me" Do yourself a favor and actually think about what you're looking at in the larger context."werner - ha! yes, i do notice small things. ive noticed the street curve level compared to the existing street for months. i saw it going on during the whole north end of ocean ave construction. i dont know the reason behind it. expect that for some engineering purpose it was made lower. obvioulsy they were aware of what they were doing. im trying to look at everything with a positive face, considering most of the things were looking at are set in stone. copleted, 50 percent done, 25 percent done. their done! just trying to look at the positive things in the pgroess. the only thinig i mentioned was that the curve in ocean ave across from convention hall looked just like it does on the drawings. a few months ago, it looked like it was headed towards a cheap 45 degree werid angled curve (i posted a few months ago about this, thats teh reason why i mentioned it again!) dont look too deeply at things i said. you might be looking too hard! and over looking the simple concept i was making! ha! and YES, it appears the wesely grove units look very, VERY much the same. i like the fronts on cookman ave though. they do look good, with the stone/concrete facades. the "backs" (ha!) do look out of place though. maybe when the trees and plants go in, things will blend together more (being realistic, and partial sarcastic!) charlie Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
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" I am also quite surprise how much has been done since I recall reading not too long ago that the work had stopped."i think work had stopped, beasue they were awaiting materials. all the owrk thats being done now, is with concrete facades and bricks. its possiable thats what they were waiting on. it seemed like before they stopped, they were all set up. Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
