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Oh god what is all this about moral coward...blah blah blah...so much is being said about the sovereignty and all that let us all understand what the ULFA means about that and where in lies the contradiction...and why are all the people calling this PCG as the ULFA?. Anyways is it not interesting that we are talking about pushing the B;deshis back, knowing it fully well that the ULFA will never ever agree to that? We all know why they would refuse...great is not it? think...think and think...!!! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
[Assam] From Asian Times: Hindus protest against Britain?s X?mas stamp
London, Nov 8: Leaders of the Hindu community in Britain have protested against one of this years six Christmas stamps issued by the Royal Mail on the grounds that its image amounts to an insult to Hinduism. The stamp in question is based on a 17th-century picture that shows a man and a woman with tilak marks on their foreheads worshipping the infant Jesus Christ. The image is reported to be on display in a gallery in Mumbai. Ramesh Kallidai, secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain, told Asian Times: Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable if the government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian priest offering worship to baby Krishna? A Royal Mail spokesman said no offence had been intended. We thought it would be nice to return to a religious theme, he said. Kallidai asked Royal Mail to withdraw the stamp, and accede to his earlier demand to issue a stamp to mark Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights. However, this demand did not evoke any response from the Royal Mail. It is striking to see that the Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu community, but remains silent on issuing stamps for Diwali, the festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community in Britain and by a billion Hindus worldwide, Kallidai said. The controversial stamp is priced 68 pence, the basic cost to send letters to India. It went on sale last Tuesday. According to the city art gallery, the picture on the stamp is an Indianised version of a European print of The Holy family with St Anne and the two angels. The Telegraph reported that the picture has a European theme but with a Mughal setting. The picture was chosen for the Royal Mail by this years stamp designer, Irene Von Treskow, an Anglican priest in an English-speaking church in Berlin. She told the paper that she was fascinated by the image because it was so interesting to see a Mughal painting with a Christian subject. Treskow does not believe the picture is offensive. How can it be? she asked. It is 17th-century art. She said she found the painting in a book and then looked up the image on the Internet. Kallidai said the man in the painting has a tilak marking on his forehead, clearly identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu.The woman has the traditional kumkum mark on her forehead, identifying her as a married Hindu woman. These are exclusively used by Hindus, he said. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in India has been the subject of heated debate. Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 made the mistake of portraying practising Hindus worshipping the infant Christ, we should be asking if this is politically and communally correct in the 21st century, Kallidai said. http://www.AsianTimesonline.co.uk The new version of Messenger is here - download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like success.
Title: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like s At 8:40 PM -0800 11/7/05, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote: I forgot to send a copy to Assamnet. It was meant to be public discussion. Dilip Deka It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. Actually I meant to say --It ought to be apparent to anyone with EVEN half a working brain. Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It is a two way street. Of course some people miss that. Some of them are those who have attempted to establish their own intellectual superiority over those who support Assam's sovereignty aspirations, as has been abundantly clear in this forum. I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. Utpal Brahma does not need the mentoring. He is however eminently qualified to be the mentor to a lot of people here, who obviously do not realize that they need it real bad, smug in their own sense of superiority. There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. False humility only affirms the presence latent chauvinism. Be it minority or be it majority, mentoring has merit. That is the bottom line. cm I believe the full working brain meant to say It ought to be apparent to anyone with a half working brain. I'd thinkhalf a working brain, though it is not wholesome, is better than a brain not working because it still works, buta half working brain is dangerous. You never know when that halfworking brain is actually working and when it is not working. :-) :-) Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It does not do anyone any good. It just aggravates personal relations. There have been so many instances of thisin the past but the writers don't seem to realize when to stop. About mentoring the indigenous people in Assam, I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. From my side I'd say if mentoring is the solution, why wait for mentoring to start after sovereignty and not get an early start now? How come the mentees didn't accept it in the past and why should citizens of equal rights accept it in the future? There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. Dilip Deka Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:04 AM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: The question is : are the demanders of sovereignity (read ULFA and fellow travellers) arequalified to be mentors of anyone. Umesh It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ForThose Antagoniststo Sovereignty for Assam who cite everytime what IF the INDIGENOUS(as if Assamese are not)peoples say NO/--read this sent in by Umesh. Hope you will see the point. Power Mentoring: How Successful Mentors and Protégés Get the Most Out of Their Relationships by Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy Jossey Bass, 2005 November 7, 2005 Many prominent leaders across the public and private sectors attribute their success to the strong mentoring relationships they developed in their careers. Even Bill Gates, who rose from nerdy, disheveled programmer to software company giant, benefited from an early mentoring relationship: As a student at Seattles Lakeside High School, he landed his first computer job thanks to the guidance of a high school teacher, Fred Wright. Wright also mentored Gates classmates and fellow computer club membersthree of whom went on to become programmers at Microsoft, and another, Paul Allen, who co-founded Microsoft. In this book, management professors Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy use Gates to explore the concept of power mentoring. Power mentoring simply means that protégés do not rely on one particular person for support, but rather strategically cultivate a variety of mentors for support and advice. The traditional mentoring relationship in corporate America used to involve an older, wiser executive who selected a protégé of similar background and career interests. Mentor and protégé may have attended the same college or shared the same social milieu. The mentor groomed the protégé in his image, dispensing professional wisdom as well as secrets of the organization. Ensher and Murphy, who interviewed fifty leaders in a variety of industries to ensure that their study included women as well as people of color, have identified a pattern more common today. Protégés do not hesitate to ask for help and are eager to learn from others. While a privileged background certainly gives some people a boost, others in the study rose from modest beginnings and overcame obstacles to attain their current level of success. The obvious audience for Power Mentoring is managers and professionals concerned about their own career development, but the book is also targeted at administrators of mentoring programs and anyone who teaches or conducts training about mentoring. It is hard to argue with the benefits of mentoring. But it is important to keep in mind that
Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with Mainland India
Hi Mayur:
At 9:30 PM -0800 11/7/05, mayur bora wrote:
Wishing away something is very easy. Translating a
meaningful dream into reality is quite tough. It is no
wonder that many people prefer the former to drive
home their viewpoints. But fortunately, there are some
roadblocks which are difficult to demolish. People's
proclivity to attribute anything undesirable to
outside forces is like GoI putting the blame on ISI
everytime something untoward happens in India. People
are trying to denounce GoI consciosly. But
unconsciously they can't help imitating them. Whether
it can be called an 'unintended' flattery as per
CM-da's analogy earlier ? Or should I go one step
forward and say that imitation is a confession of
limitation. Don't keep it up Mukul da.
Mayur
Huh? That was a mouthful of wisdom I am sure. But what does it mean?
What is YOUR proposal for eradicating what you
believe to be Assam's no. 1 'weakness'?
Or are you too attempting to get ahead in the
world by merely saying no to others who propose
something?
Anyway. let me ask you another question here:
Are you familiar with the concept of meles ( mlecch)?
If so, do you know where that came from? And can you see its influence
on the subject?
Also, do YOU, personally that is, believe in that concept? And do you
ever invoke that in YOUR prayers, consciously or unconsciously ( I
presume you are a praying man from your responses regarding
Xonkor Joyonti)?
The questions might seem off the wall, but they
are pertinent to a point I am attempting to make
in regard to the No 1 Weakness of Kharkhowa
people as you see it. I am of course hoping that
you have what it takes to delve into the matter.
But I will understand if you avoid this too, like
the plague or otherwise.
cm :-)
--- mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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can a provide any
realistic and workable solution to dispel the
legitimate feeling of mistrust among many of the
tribal people towards caste Hindu Assamese.
Legitimate feeling of mistrust
Wrong assumption again. Dying of self pity? Go to the
offensive and show that the enemy is from outside.
Who is Caste Hindu. I am not. You are not. Who is ?
Disown him .
Without a Sovereign Assam you cannot even start
creating a proud,hardworking,focussed modern nation.
Come up with abetter model.Come out . Sensitive
thinkers do not need repeated requests.
mm
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From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mayur bora [EMAIL PROTECTED], mc mahant
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: assam@assamnet.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Assam] Assam's Ancient Links with
Mainland India
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:11:15 -0600
blockquote, dl, ul, ol,
li{padding-top:0;padding-bottom:0;}At 9:17 AM -0800
11/7/05, mayur bora wrote:
I can't agree more with Rajen da's comment on the
attitude of caste Hindu Assamese people towards
thetribes of Assam.
*** I join you there Mayur. But what does that have
to do with Assam's sovereignty aspirations?
BTW, caste Hindus' mistreatment of their fellow men
was not limited to the indigenous people of Assam
alone, but fell on their own brethren who did not
quite cut it as their equals.
Now take a wild guess on where these ideas came from,
where they are still nurtured and is a major force in
politics and governance? Did you hear about the Muslim
village pillaged and several Muslims incinerated by
mobs in UP, on the RUMOR that they slaughtered cows
for celebrating ID, and turns out there was no truth
to the rumors?
And if I am not mistaken, you submit yourself to that
very culture in an abject display of servitude, don't
you?
When I listed out the weaknesses of
Assamese people sometime back on assamnet, this was
the first weakness cited by me.
*** This is not a 'weakness' of ALL the people of
Assam. It is of only a certain segment. Also, such
ill-treatment and discrimination is possible only by
those who wield POWER, be it political,be it economic,
be it religious.
I would be very happy
if Mahanta da-s (both CM and MM)can a provide any
realistic and workable solution to dispel the
legitimate feeling of mistrust among many of the
tribal people towards caste Hindu Assamese.
*** Why me or my brother? Why not YOU? Why not Rajen?
But I have explained. If you don't agree, tell us
why. If you could not understand, ask. I will be
pleased to try and explain again. But to go about
repeating your Mantra, without any explanation could
paint an unflattering picture of your deliberative
skills.
*** Are you attempting to suggest here that because of
this CULTURAL mistrust between the indigenous people
and the caste Hindus, Assam has forfeited its
sovereignty aspirations? Is that your best argument
a trump card on your stand against Assam's
sovereignty?
If it is, you need to work on it much harder Mayur
:-). Because the political fracture
Re: [Assam] Rebuild Assam or India
I would like to share my views regarding the topic 'Rebuild Assam or India'. It is a very very nice initiative. It is mentioned there that 'If you have any objection about ULFA- ask yourself why India continues with a million strong armed forces...' Yes, of course. I have objection about ULFA. And probably my view starts from this point onwards. What I feel is that, we (the Assamese) are not yet matured enough to think of independence. In which front are we capable? Can we compete with rest of the Indians? No we cant. How candidates get seat in IITs, how many candidates can clear UPSC, how many renowned people are there in the art and culture field, how many high ranking officers are there in defense service? There are numerous similar questions are there whose answer is common either no or very few. So we are not yet been able to compete with others. Can we blame Indian Union Government for all these inabilities? Even very less number of people outside Assam know about Srimanta Sankar Dev or Vir Lachit. Is not our responsibility to spread the message of these great personalities to different parts of the world? I think it is high time for introspection. Simply passing the blame to others is not going to solve the problem rather it makes things more and more complicated. What I feel is that we need to prepare our self to compete equally with others. There should not be any front untouched. We should learn how to work hard. We must be able to compel central government leadership to solve our problems. There should be no leader left who can overlook our problem. We must be able to create a situation where blame on central government will reduce drastically. And to do all these we need to penetrate into every front, every filed. And for that we must work hard, compete boldly. After achieving these objectives, if anybody still wants independence, then I shall have no objection. Partha Sarathi Borah Gurgaon, India Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:08:21 + (GMT)From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre for Policy AlternativesTo: mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: assam@assamnet.orgMessage-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Mukul-da, You did not answer my questionWhat is the cure and who are these people ? Umeshmc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Umesh Grow up--FAST.If you or any in the Assamnet or beyond have any ideas on HOW to rebuild Assam or India -Shoot at me -not with a gun-but intelligently.I shall record these and present the essence at anappropriate time and venue.If you have any objection about ULFA- ask yourself why India continues with a million strong armed forces--and spends literally evey Dollar"Earned" from the effort of millions sent out to slave in the 1st world-- in keeping this 'Armed Forces, supplied and equipped-- knowing fully well that these will not be defending anybody,anywhere,anytime.And ask yourself if GeorgeWBush is a leader or a pusher or what?And ask why there is any unrest anywhere at all--come with an unified theory--you might even rank with Amartya Sen Types.mm Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC
Title: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Was Thanks for forwarding it Rajen. I looked up the Statesman site. I know SH is very knowledgeable about NE issues, and was thus looking forward to seeing something informative to be updated with. But aside from the name-dropping I learned precious little more. Did I miss something? c At 11:30 PM -0600 11/7/05, Barua25 wrote: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Sanjoy Hazarika writes: Dear Barua: We had an excellent discussion at Brookings, the first such public event on the NE in decades (perhaps ever in DC) and we could press a few home truths and outline concerns and issues. You may looknat my column on the event at www.thestatesman.net (link is NE page and my column, North by North East). The nE Page appears every Saturday ion the Statesman and is the only rpt only platform for the NE that is read the same day in Delhi, Kolkata, Bhuvaneswar and Siliguri and on the net, unlike other papers which publish NE supplemnts for circulation in the NE only Sanjoy Hazarika: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may see more of his activities by visiting his web page www.c-nes.org (Center for NE Studies) - From the NE Page of the Statesman North by North East: Sanjoy Hazarika: Making sense of the N-E in Washington At 3-30 pm on Thursday evening, Washington hosted its first public event on the North-East (at least I do not recall, in 23 years of travelling to the US capital, of a similar event) and I was privileged to be among those who made presentations on the situation in the region. The others included Lieutenant-General VK Raghavan, former DG Military Operations of the Indian Army, and Samir K Das of Calcutta University. The discussions were held at the Brookings institute and drew a range of academics, serving and former officials from the US administration, journalists and human rights activists. We covered the Naga imbroglio and Ulfa as well as the role of the military, the region and its neighbours, the Look East Policy, economics, ethnicity and migration. It was a fairly comprehensive list and participants asked good, sharp questions on several issues, including the earlier CPI-M support to migration from Bangladesh, which it has since discontinued. Whenever we cover the North-east to a new and especially Western audience, one is concerned that we may end up confusing the audience instead of clarifying the situation, of such complexities is our region. The discussion was co-hosted by Stephen Cohen, a friend of India, who is at Brookings, and Mutthiah Alagappa of the East-West Centre; the latter had just concluded an exhausting four-day workshop elsewhere in the capital on armed conflicts in Asia. In the past days, one has talked with persons from other countries who are going through similar if not worse crisis than what the North-east is struggling with: Nepal and Sri Lanka, Thailand and Myanmar (Burma). In each of these nations, the peripheral borders cause the maximum trouble to the states. One was struck by the difficulties faced by ordinary researchers in gathering information; a Thai professor even went so far as to say that it would be unsafe for a Thai researcher to work in a Muslim-dominated belt in non-Thai areas in southern Thailand where vigilante groups and political and religious pressures dominate. In the North-east, the threats to ordinary citizens and professionals as well as media still exist. We have seen reference to this, and take encouragement from the position of the Manipur media which recently passed a resolution saying it would not be browbeaten by the underground. - ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Rebuild Assam or India
Title: Re: [Assam] Rebuild Assam or India Hello Partha, Welcome to assamnet. I am sure you did not post your comments here merely to preach, but did so after thinking about it,deliberating about it, hoping to contribute constructively to the discourse. With that assumptions, allow me ask you two simple questions about your comments. There are many more, but that is for later, should you remain engaged that is. We must be able to compel central government leadership to solve our problems. *** Why do you want to compel the Central Govt. to solve YOUR problems? Why must you be dependent on somebody else for your welfare? We must be able to create a situation where blame on central government will reduce drastically. *** WHY do you or others BLAME the Center ? Why is it a blame-magnet? What are the things that YOU blame the Center for, if anything? I am asking you, because you broach the subject and because of a propensity amongst us here to speak for others, while holding back our own views. It is not a very good approach to play self-appointed spokesmen or interpreters for others. It is far more credible if we speak for ourselves. Know what I mean? I will look forward to your answers. And should you furnish some, we can engage in some discussion. Best to you. cm At 2:51 PM + 11/8/05, Partha Borah wrote: I would like to share my views regarding the topic 'Rebuild Assam or India'. It is a very very nice initiative. It is mentioned there that 'If you have any objection about ULFA- ask yourself why India continues with a million strong armed forces...' Yes, of course. I have objection about ULFA. And probably my view starts from this point onwards. What I feel is that, we (the Assamese) are not yet matured enough to think of independence. In which front are we capable? Can we compete with rest of the Indians? No we cant. How candidates get seat in IITs, how many candidates can clear UPSC, how many renowned people are there in the art and culture field, how many high ranking officers are there in defense service? There are numerous similar questions are there whose answer is common either no or very few. So we are not yet been able to compete with others. Can we blame Indian Union Government for all these inabilities? Even very less number of people outside Assam know about Srimanta Sankar Dev or Vir Lachit. Is not our responsibility to spread the message of these great personalities to different parts of the world? I think it is high time for introspection. Simply passing the blame to others is not going to solve the problem rather it makes things more and more complicated. What I feel is that we need to prepare our self to compete equally with others. There should not be any front untouched. We should learn how to work hard. We must be able to compel central government leadership to solve our problems. There should be no leader left who can overlook our problem. We must be able to create a situation where blame on central government will reduce drastically. And to do all these we need to penetrate into every front, every filed. And for that we must work hard, compete boldly. After achieving these objectives, if anybody still wants independence, then I shall have no objection. Partha Sarathi Borah Gurgaon, India Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:08:21 + (GMT) From: umesh sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre for Policy Alternatives To: mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mukul-da, You did not answer my question What is the cure and who are these people ? Umesh mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh Grow up--FAST. If you or any in the Assamnet or beyond have any ideas on HOW to rebuild Assam or India -Shoot at me -not with a gun-but intelligently.I shall record these and present the essence at anappropriate time and venue. If you have any objection about ULFA- ask yourself why India continues with a million strong armed forces--and spends literally evey DollarEarned from the effort of millions sent out to slave in the 1st world-- in keeping this 'Armed Forces, supplied and equipped-- knowing fully well that these will not be defending anybody,anywhere,anytime.And ask yourself if GeorgeWBush is a leader or a pusher or what?And ask why there is any unrest anywhere at all--come with an unified theory--you might even rank with Amartya Sen Types. mm Enjoy this Diwali with Y! India Click here ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC
But aside from the name-dropping I learned precious little more. Did I miss something? Nothing at all. Some people think he has some great intellectual qualities. Others think "He is quite flexible--can't blame him". NYT! -now down to the Statesman. mm From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Barua25" [EMAIL PROTECTED], assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DCDate: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:28:16 -0600 Thanks for forwarding it Rajen. I looked up the Statesman site. I know SH is very knowledgeable about NE issues, and was thus looking forward to seeing something informative to be updated with. But aside from the name-dropping I learned precious little more. Did I miss something? c At 11:30 PM -0600 11/7/05, Barua25 wrote: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Sanjoy Hazarika writes: Dear Barua: We had an excellent discussion at Brookings, the firstsuch public event on the NE in decades (perhaps everin DC) and we could press a few home truths andoutline concerns and issues. You may looknat mycolumn on the event at www.thestatesman.net (link isNE page and my column, North by North East). The nEPage appears every Saturday ion the Statesman and isthe only rpt only platform for the NE that is read thesame day in Delhi, Kolkata, Bhuvaneswar and Siliguriand on the net, unlike other papers which publish NEsupplemnts for circulation in the NE only Sanjoy Hazarika: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may see more of his activities by visiting his web page www.c-nes.org (Center for NE Studies) - From the NE Page of the Statesman North by North East: Sanjoy Hazarika: Making sense of the N-E in Washington At 3-30 pm on Thursday evening, Washington hosted its first public event on the North-East (at least I do not recall, in 23 years of travelling to the US capital, of a similar event) and I was privileged to be among those who made presentations on the situation in the region.The others included Lieutenant-General VK Raghavan, former DG Military Operations of the Indian Army, and Samir K Das of Calcutta University. The discussions were held at the Brookings institute and drew a range of academics, serving and former officials from the US administration, journalists and human rights activists.We covered the Naga imbroglio and Ulfa as well as the role of the military, the region and its neighbours, the Look East Policy, economics, ethnicity and migration. It was a fairly comprehensive list and participants asked good, sharp questions on several issues, including the earlier CPI-M support to migration from Bangladesh, which it has since discontinued.Whenever we cover the North-east to a new and especially Western audience, one is concerned that we may end up confusing the audience instead of clarifying the situation, of such complexities is our region.The discussion was co-hosted by Stephen Cohen, a friend of India, who is at Brookings, and Mutthiah Alagappa of the East-West Centre; the latter had just concluded an exhausting four-day workshop elsewhere in the capital on armed conflicts in Asia.In the past days, one has talked with persons from other countries who are going through similar if not worse crisis than what the North-east is struggling with: Nepal and Sri Lanka, Thailand and Myanmar (Burma).In each of these nations, the peripheral borders cause the maximum trouble to the states. One was struck by the difficulties faced by ordinary researchers in gathering information; a Thai professor even went so far as to say that it would be unsafe for a Thai researcher to work in a Muslim-dominated belt in non-Thai areas in southern Thailand where vigilante groups and political and religious pressures dominate.In the North-east, the threats to ordinary citizens and professionals as well as media still exist. We have seen reference to this, and take encouragement from the position of the Manipur media which recently passed a resolution saying it would not be browbeaten by the underground. - ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] (no subject)
Title: Re: [Assam] (no subject) Hello Soma: Welcome to you too--to assamnet. Nice to see more and more people here. Ignore the occasional distraction from the trash that vandals throw here time to time. But if we do our share to keep it from becoming a garbage pile, we will do fine. On this account, I am sure you will agree, that we all--those of us who know better that is, have a responsibility to stand up and be counted -- speak out and not pretend that we have not seen or heard anything, or stand up to speak out only when it is expedient to do so. You are doing great as a newcomer :-). Now about your question about : ---pushing the B;deshis back, knowing it fully well that the ULFA will never ever agree to that? *** I cannot answer whether ULFA will or not. But, Is this a problem that was created by the ULFA? Who is responsible for and have the resources to address it? Is that authority doing its job? If not, why not? And how are YOU all, as responsible citizens, holding the feet of the responsible to the fire? If the 'legitimate' authorities have FAILED in their duty over 30 years, having been shown the problem, including resorting to agitations leading even to loss of human lives, then: Have you all assigned ULFA to solve the problem for you, giving it the necessary support, morally and materially, to help solve it for you? If not, how do you, with any degree of honesty or integrity, imply that the ULFA is somehow guilty of either causing or aggravating what you see as a, if not the, biggest problem Assam faces? If nothing else, your note implies that ULFA is an OBSTACLE to resolution of the problem of B'Deshi infiltration, because ULFA leaders have taken refuge from the Indian military's pursuit, and thus are unlikely to serve as your ally in about pushing the B;deshis back--. Is it a complaint AGAINST ULFA, or is it a complaint against those who are responsible for creating this condition--of ULFA leaders having to seek refuge in B'Desh? Or is it a case of 'xaap hoiw khutisa aaru bez hoiw jaarisa' :-), being disingenuous? My guess is that it is the latter. That would be insulting netters' intelligence , not a cool thing to do. But I will give you the benefit of a doubt, because you must have picked up the line from some of Assam/Indian intelligentsia's shining stars, household names in the media; without giving it any thought on your own or being a a critical observer. But I hope you will learn to look at things analytically and critically here in this forum. Best to you. cm At 11:17 AM + 11/8/05, soma bhowmick wrote: Oh god what is all this about moral coward...blah blah blah...so much is being said about the sovereignty and all that let us all understand what the ULFA means about that and where in lies the contradiction...and why are all the people calling this PCG as the ULFA?. Anyways is it not interesting that we are talking about pushing the B;deshis back, knowing it fully well that the ULFA will never ever agree to that? We all know why they would refuse...great is not it? think...think and think...!!! ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC
Title: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Was Chandan: We must try to see the event in right perspective. If you do that, we (guys from Assam or NE) will not be looking at the presentation to find anything new (in fact there is nothing new for us to know about NE), but to find that Assam and the NE has been preented at all, ever, in an International NGO Research platform likeBrookings Institute. in Washington, DC. The problem, or the root of the proble,of Assam and the NE has beencomplete ignorance, mis-representation and confusion aboutthe region from all quarters, within and outside India. Only people who can change the situation are the people of Assam NE. As such this has beenan opportunity let othersknow what is happening in Assam and the NE. From that angle,this presentation was very important. Brookings Institute has organized andinvited these three individualsfrom India to talk about Assam and NE. We are proud that Sanjoy Hazarika happens to be one of the speakers. (We don't have to know what exactly what he spoke here, because we know what he will speak to prsent the right picture). (For thosewho donot know much about Sanjoy Hazarika, I can summarize his achievementsin the following sentence: He is a hard working Assamese journalist of high caliber, who, among other things,visited and dined withPhizo;who wrote such classic books as 'The Strangers in the Mist', "The Rites of Passage" etc givingthe complete no-nonsense storyof the insurgencies and the immigration problems in NE;who recently won the an award from the World Bank for designing the 'Ship of Hope',a unique but simpleboat for the Flood Victims in Assam and who produced the documentary "Brahmaputra", and whoI found to be adedicated hard working young Assamese who is presently engaged for the welfare on the entire people of NE without any prejudice. See more of Sanjoy Hazarika in www.c-nes.com). Partha Gogoi from Washington DC who attended the presentation wroteabout the workshop thus,"On the workshop, there was no presentation in the form of a slide-show as such. The three key-note speakers were asked to talk for at least 15 minutes about their views on the North East. There were several heavyweights in the crowd - Salman Haider (India's previous Foreign Secy - was basically India's top diplomat), Swaminathan Aiyer (writes Swaminomics in Times of India and based out of DC), Amnesty International Director, Stephen Cohen who's an expert on South Asian affairs and several interested Americans who seemed to know about Phizo and the Naga insurgency." What we need is tofind whatthe other twokey note speakers, namely Lieutenant-General VK Raghavan, former DG Military Operations of the Indian Army, and Samir K Das of Calcutta Universityspoke about.As a community from Assam, what we can and should do, in my opinion, is to find out more about the Brookings Institute and other such organizations where we can present the correct picture aboutAssam and the North East. Sanjoy Hazarika has just opened the door for us. Hementioned that the discussion was co-hosted by Stephen Cohen, a friend of India, who is at Brookings, and Mutthiah Alagappa of the East-West Centre; We need to explore more about these individuals for future. May be we can explore to see if we can make it possible to bring Sanjoy Hazarika for more presentation in such other international platforms or by any other for that matter. Rajen. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Thanks for forwarding it Rajen. I looked up the Statesman site. I know SH is very knowledgeable about NE issues, and was thus looking forward to seeing something informative to be updated with. But aside from the name-dropping I learned precious little more. Did I miss something? c At 11:30 PM -0600 11/7/05, Barua25 wrote: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Sanjoy Hazarika writes: Dear Barua: We had an excellent discussion at Brookings, the firstsuch public event on the NE in decades (perhaps everin DC) and we could press a few home truths andoutline concerns and issues. You may looknat mycolumn on the event at www.thestatesman.net (link isNE page and my column, North by North East). The nEPage appears every Saturday ion the Statesman and isthe only rpt only platform for the NE that is read thesame day in Delhi, Kolkata, Bhuvaneswar and Siliguriand on the net, unlike other papers which publish NEsupplemnts for circulation in the NE only Sanjoy Hazarika: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may see more of his activities by visiting his web page www.c-nes.org (Center for NE Studies)
Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC
Rajen-da, This seems like a good development. Hopefully more people will take up the matter at World Bank - which is also in DC and at UN which is nearby at New York. Partha Gogoi's and Sanjoy Hazarika's comments together give a good picture. Just wish we had transcript of what they said since -- we could also be enlightened like the folks at Brookings. UmeshRajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandan: We must try to see the event in right perspective. If you do that, we (guys from Assam or NE) will not be looking at the presentation to find anything new (in fact there is nothing new for us to know about NE), but to find that Assam and the NE has been preented at all, ever, in an International NGO Research platform likeBrookings Institute. in Washington, DC. The problem, or the root of the proble,of Assam and the NE has beencomplete ignorance, mis-representation and confusion aboutthe region from all quarters, within and outside India. Only people who can change the situation are the people of Assam NE. As such this has beenan opportunity let othersknow what is happening in Assam and the NE. From that angle,this presentation was very important. Brookings Institute has organized andinvited these three individualsfrom India to talk about Assam and NE. We are proud that Sanjoy Hazarika happens to be one of the speakers. (We don't have to know what exactly what he spoke here, because we know what he will speak to prsent the right picture). (For thosewho donot know much about Sanjoy Hazarika, I can summarize his achievementsin the following sentence: He is a hard working Assamese journalist of high caliber, who, among other things,visited and dined withPhizo;who wrote such classic books as 'The Strangers in the Mist', "The Rites of Passage" etc givingthe complete no-nonsense storyof the insurgencies and the immigration problems in NE;who recently won the an award from the World Bank for designing the 'Ship of Hope',a unique but simpleboat for the Flood Victims in Assam and who produced the documentary "Brahmaputra", and whoI found to be adedicated hard working young Assamese who is presently engaged for the welfare on the entire people of NE without any prejudice. See more of Sanjoy Hazarika in www.c-nes.com). Partha Gogoi from Washington DC who attended the presentation wroteabout the workshop thus,"On the workshop, there was no presentation in the form of a slide-show as such. The three key-note speakers were asked to talk for at least 15 minutes about their views on the North East. There were several heavyweights in the crowd - Salman Haider (India's previous Foreign Secy - was basically India's top diplomat), Swaminathan Aiyer (writes Swaminomics in Times of India and based out of DC), Amnesty International Director, Stephen Cohen who's an expert on South Asian affairs and several interested Americans who seemed to know about Phizo and the Naga insurgency." What we need is tofind whatthe other twokey note speakers, namely Lieutenant-General VK Raghavan, former DG Military Operations of the Indian Army, and Samir K Das of Calcutta Universityspoke about.As a community from Assam, what we can and should do, in my opinion, is to find out more about the Brookings Institute and other such organizations where we can present the correct picture aboutAssam and the North East. Sanjoy Hazarika has just opened the door for us. Hementioned that the discussion was co-hosted by Stephen Cohen, a friend of India, who is at Brookings, and Mutthiah Alagappa of the East-West Centre; We need to explore more about these individuals for future. May be we can explore to see if we can make it possible to bring Sanjoy Hazarika for more presentation in such other international platforms or by any other for that matter. Rajen. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Thanks for forwarding it Rajen. I looked up the Statesman site. I know SH is very knowledgeable about NE issues, and was thus looking forward to seeing something informative to be updated with. But aside from the name-dropping I learned precious little more. Did I miss something? c At 11:30 PM -0600 11/7/05, Barua25 wrote: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Sanjoy Hazarika writes: Dear Barua: We had an excellent discussion at Brookings, the firstsuch public event on the NE in decades (perhaps everin DC) and we could press a few home truths andoutline concerns and issues. You may looknat mycolumn on the event at www.thestatesman.net (link isNE page and my column, North by North East). The nEPage appears every Saturday ion the Statesman and isthe only rpt only platform for the NE that is read thesame day in Delhi, Kolkata, Bhuvaneswar and Siliguriand on the net, unlike other papers which publish NEsupplemnts for circulation in the NE only Sanjoy Hazarika: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may see
[Assam] CNN.com - U.N.: Quake survivors will freeze - Nov 8, 2005
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Re: [Assam] From Asian Times: Hindus protest against Britain?s X?mas stamp
British Mail seems to be full of intelligent fools. All the more reason why Diwali stamp should be launched. It seems a strange way of honoring Indian immigrants - without honoring festivals of their majority community. UmeshRini Kakati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: London, Nov 8: Leaders of the Hindu community in Britain have protested against one of this years six Christmas stamps issued by the Royal Mail on the grounds that its image amounts to an insult to Hinduism. The stamp in question is based on a 17th-century picture that shows a man and a woman with tilak marks on their foreheads worshipping the infant Jesus Christ. The image is reported to be on display in a gallery in Mumbai. Ramesh Kallidai, secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain, told Asian Times: Would the worldwide Christian community feel comfortable if the government of India issued a Diwali stamp with a Christian priest offering worship to baby Krishna? A Royal Mail spokesman said no offence had been intended. We thought it would be nice to return to a religious theme, he said. Kallidai asked Royal Mail to withdraw the stamp, and accede to his earlier demand to issue a stamp to mark Diwali, the Hindu festival of lights. However, this demand did not evoke any response from the Royal Mail. It is striking to see that the Royal Mail thinks it prudent to issue Christmas stamps that can cause resentment in the worldwide Hindu community, but remains silent on issuing stamps for Diwali, the festival of lights celebrated by the third largest faith community in Britain and by a billion Hindus worldwide, Kallidai said. The controversial stamp is priced 68 pence, the basic cost to send letters to India. It went on sale last Tuesday. According to the city art gallery, the picture on the stamp is an Indianised version of a European print of The Holy family with St Anne and the two angels. The Telegraph reported that the picture has a European theme but with a Mughal setting. The picture was chosen for the Royal Mail by this years stamp designer, Irene Von Treskow, an Anglican priest in an English-speaking church in Berlin. She told the paper that she was fascinated by the image because it was so interesting to see a Mughal painting with a Christian subject. Treskow does not believe the picture is offensive. How can it be? she asked. It is 17th-century art. She said she found the painting in a book and then looked up the image on the Internet. Kallidai said the man in the painting has a tilak marking on his forehead, clearly identifying him as a Vaishnava Hindu.The woman has the traditional kumkum mark on her forehead, identifying her as a married Hindu woman. These are exclusively used by Hindus, he said. While many people doubt the authenticity of the age of the painting, we believe that even if this were true, it would be insensitive to use it at a time when the issue of conversions in India has been the subject of heated debate. Even if we accept that an artist in 1620 made the mistake of portraying practising Hindus worshipping the infant Christ, we should be asking if this is politically and communally correct in the 21st century, Kallidai said. http://www.AsianTimesonline.co.uk The new version of Messenger is here - download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Too much spam in your inbox? Yahoo! Mail gives you the best spam protection for FREE! Get Yahoo! Mail___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like success.-Napolean Pope
I was seeing an exhibition on Napolean yesterday at National Geographic Scoeity's HQ -- how Napolean used the "Mentor" of Catholics - the Pope -- to get himself declared the Emperor of France. Later asked the Pope to step down from his position. Mentors are dangerous unless chosen wisely-- they can be like false prophets or false Gurus. One has to be very careful while choosing mentors. ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. UmeshDilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to send a copy to Assamnet. It was meant to be public discussion. Dilip Deka " It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain." I believe the full working brain meant to say "It ought to be apparent to anyone with a half working brain." I'd thinkhalf a working brain, though it is not wholesome, is better than a brain not working because it still works, buta half working brain is dangerous. You never know when that halfworking brain is actually working and when it is not working. :-) :-) Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It does not do anyone any good. It just aggravates personal relations. There have been so many instances of thisin the past but the writers don't seem to realize when to stop. About "mentoring" the indigenous people in Assam, I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. From my side I'd say if mentoring is the solution, why wait for mentoring to start after "sovereignty" and not get an early start now? How come the "mentees" didn't accept it in the past and why should citizens of equal rights accept it in the future? There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. Dilip DekaChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:04 AM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: The question is : are the demanders of sovereignity (read ULFA and fellow travellers) arequalified to be mentors of anyone. Umesh It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ForThose Antagoniststo Sovereignty for Assam who cite everytime "what IF the INDIGENOUS(as if Assamese are not)peoples say NO/"--read this sent in by Umesh. Hope you will see the point. Power Mentoring: How Successful Mentors and Protégés Get the Most Out of Their Relationships by Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy Jossey Bass, 2005 November 7, 2005 Many prominent leaders across the public and private sectors attribute their success to the strong mentoring relationships they developed in their careers. Even Bill Gates, who rose from nerdy, disheveled programmer to software company giant, benefited from an early mentoring relationship: As a student at Seattles Lakeside High School, he landed his first computer job thanks to the guidance of a high school teacher, Fred Wright. Wright also mentored Gates classmates and fellow computer club membersthree of whom went on to become programmers at Microsoft, and another, Paul Allen, who co-founded Microsoft. In this book, management professors Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy use Gates to explore the concept of power mentoring. Power mentoring simply means that protégés do not rely on one particular person for support, but rather strategically cultivate a variety of mentors for support and advice. The traditional mentoring relationship in corporate America used to involve an older, wiser executive who selected a protégé of similar background and career interests. Mentor and protégé may have attended the same college or shared the same social milieu. The mentor groomed the protégé in his image, dispensing professional wisdom as well as secrets of the organization. Ensher and Murphy, who interviewed fifty leaders in a variety of industries to ensure that their study included women as well as people of color, have identified a pattern more common today. Protégés do not hesitate to ask for help and are eager to learn from others. While a privileged background certainly gives some people a boost, others in the study rose from modest beginnings and overcame obstacles to attain their current level of success. The obvious audience for Power Mentoring is managers and professionals concerned about their own career development, but the book is also targeted at administrators of mentoring programs and anyone who teaches or conducts training about mentoring. It is hard to argue with the benefits of mentoring. But it is important to keep in mind that formal and informal mentoring programs within an organization carry the potential to emphasize inequity if such opportunities are not carefully institutionalized so that they are available to all staff. mm ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Can't remember an address in your address book? Enter the first few letters and Address AutoComplete will automatically finish it. Get Yahoo! Mail
Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC
Umesh: Now that you are in Washington DC, you could have probably atteneded the presentation if you would have known before and could have given a first hand report!! Could you try to get whatever we can get from Brookings Institute (Mr Stephen Cohen) about the proceedings of the Workshop. Any other related information on any of the referenced individuals or any other relevent for Assam, if you can dig up, will be usefull and greatly appreciated. Thanks Rajenda . - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Rajen Barua ; Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Rajen-da, This seems like a good development. Hopefully more people will take up the matter at World Bank - which is also in DC and at UN which is nearby at New York. Partha Gogoi's and Sanjoy Hazarika's comments together give a good picture. Just wish we had transcript of what they said since -- we could also be enlightened like the folks at Brookings. UmeshRajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandan: We must try to see the event in right perspective. If you do that, we (guys from Assam or NE) will not be looking at the presentation to find anything new (in fact there is nothing new for us to know about NE), but to find that Assam and the NE has been preented at all, ever, in an International NGO Research platform likeBrookings Institute. in Washington, DC. The problem, or the root of the proble,of Assam and the NE has beencomplete ignorance, mis-representation and confusion aboutthe region from all quarters, within and outside India. Only people who can change the situation are the people of Assam NE. As such this has beenan opportunity let othersknow what is happening in Assam and the NE. From that angle,this presentation was very important. Brookings Institute has organized andinvited these three individualsfrom India to talk about Assam and NE. We are proud that Sanjoy Hazarika happens to be one of the speakers. (We don't have to know what exactly what he spoke here, because we know what he will speak to prsent the right picture). (For thosewho donot know much about Sanjoy Hazarika, I can summarize his achievementsin the following sentence: He is a hard working Assamese journalist of high caliber, who, among other things,visited and dined withPhizo;who wrote such classic books as 'The Strangers in the Mist', "The Rites of Passage" etc givingthe complete no-nonsense storyof the insurgencies and the immigration problems in NE;who recently won the an award from the World Bank for designing the 'Ship of Hope',a unique but simpleboat for the Flood Victims in Assam and who produced the documentary "Brahmaputra", and whoI found to be adedicated hard working young Assamese who is presently engaged for the welfare on the entire people of NE without any prejudice. See more of Sanjoy Hazarika in www.c-nes.com). Partha Gogoi from Washington DC who attended the presentation wroteabout the workshop thus,"On the workshop, there was no presentation in the form of a slide-show as such. The three key-note speakers were asked to talk for at least 15 minutes about their views on the North East. There were several heavyweights in the crowd - Salman Haider (India's previous Foreign Secy - was basically India's top diplomat), Swaminathan Aiyer (writes Swaminomics in Times of India and based out of DC), Amnesty International Director, Stephen Cohen who's an expert on South Asian affairs and several interested Americans who seemed to know about Phizo and the Naga insurgency." What we need is tofind whatthe other twokey note speakers, namely Lieutenant-General VK Raghavan, former DG Military Operations of the Indian Army, and Samir K Das of Calcutta Universityspoke about.As a community from Assam, what we can and should do, in my opinion, is to find out more about the Brookings Institute and other such organizations where we can present the correct picture aboutAssam and the North East. Sanjoy Hazarika has just opened the door for us. Hementioned that the discussion was co-hosted by Stephen Cohen, a friend of India, who is at Brookings, and Mutthiah Alagappa of the East-West Centre; We need to explore more about these individuals for future. May be we can explore to see if we can make it possible to bring Sanjoy Hazarika for more presentation in such other international platforms or by any other for that matter. Rajen. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday,
[Assam] News from Sentinel
C-da, From the article: "The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are inside the jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safe places to keep their children outside the jail. The jail authorities got in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided them with a teacher." UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:15:20 -0600To: assam@assamnet.orgFrom: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] News from SentinelThis is the kind of democracy that is running the country, in which CHILDREN are in prison along with their parents. Is this the legacy of a ten, and why not even 15, thousand year (un)civilization?cmOf ISI teachers and ULFA 'kids'NAGAON, Nov 7 (UNI): The teachers are dreaded ISI agents and the students "ULFA children". Nothing sinister here but.This unique school with seven students and three teachers is inside a jail of Assam. The students are mostly offsprings of the jailed ULFA leaders and the teachers are three dreaded ISI agents, condemned for life.Their daily activities related to schooling have brought in a fresh air of expectation and happiness in the entire jail compound which has been resounding with nursery rhymes along with the usual sounds of thick heavy boots walking on the long verandahs.The school curriculum is a healthy mixture of alphabets, English and games besides the lively nursery rhymes.The school, without a name, is housed inside the Nagaon district jail, 130 kilometre from Guwahati, where the three ISI agents and a group of ULFA detenues, many of whom are women, are jailed.The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are inside the jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safe places to keep their children outside the jail. The jail authorities got in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided them with a teacher.But the three ISI agents, one each from Karachi and Bangladesh, came forward and, according to jail authorities, they are proving to be good teachers with children enjoying with them.The three ISI agents are Fasiullah (45) from Karachi, Billal Miyan (35) of Shyllet, Bangladesh and Mosaha Samsed Khan (30) of Muzaffarpur of Uttar Pradesh. Of them, Fasiullah is the dreaded one and his arrest five years back was considered as one of the greatest success of Assam Police as well as the Central Intelligence Agencies.Fasiullah was the actual kingpin of the ISI racket in the North east India, supplying both money and material in the fertile land of Islamist Fundamentalists in bordering areas of lower Assam.He, along with other two, were lodged in the Guwahati jail and only on August 8 were they transferred to Nagaon jail as the Guwahati jail had become overcrowded.All the three were lodged at Hospital ward of the Nagaon jail where they have opened their school also. The ULFA detenues are kept a little away in the general ward or National Security Act (NSA) prisoner's ward.There is no fixed time for the school and it all depends on the children's waking up and getting ready.The jail authorities have provided each child books, pencils and rough books, besides elementary facilities and the children are very happy to be with their teachers.According to jail authorities the teachers focus more on English, which have made their mothers happier.Although there is no official record, in various jails there are more than 30 such children of ULFA parents. Most of these young ULFA boys and girls joined the militant outfits with romantic illusions and got married and down the years were arrested by police.The maximum number of mothers and children got arrested when the Bhutan camp was busted.The eldest child of Nagaon jail is Abinav Deka (6).___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC
Rajen-da, I'll see what I can do with Brookings - though I was hoping to get instructions today from Friendship-Edison Charter school to start work this week. However, I am still finding new leads at World Bank etc - from Professors and also new acquaintances I have made in DC - might get an opening there - so that I get inside info from there etc. UmeshRajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umesh: Now that you are in Washington DC, you could have probably atteneded the presentation if you would have known before and could have given a first hand report!! Could you try to get whatever we can get from Brookings Institute (Mr Stephen Cohen) about the proceedings of the Workshop. Any other related information on any of the referenced individuals or any other relevent for Assam, if you can dig up, will be usefull and greatly appreciated. Thanks Rajenda . - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Rajen Barua ; Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Sanjoy Hazarika: Making Sense of the NE in Washington DC Rajen-da, This seems like a good development. Hopefully more people will take up the matter at World Bank - which is also in DC and at UN which is nearby at New York. Partha Gogoi's and Sanjoy Hazarika's comments together give a good picture. Just wish we had transcript of what they said since -- we could also be enlightened like the folks at Brookings. UmeshRajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandan: We must try to see the event in right perspective. If you do that, we (guys from Assam or NE) will not be looking at the presentation to find anything new (in fact there is nothing new for us to know about NE), but to find that Assam and the NE has been preented at all, ever, in an International NGO Research platform likeBrookings Institute. in Washington, DC. The problem, or the root of the proble,of Assam and the NE has beencomplete ignorance, mis-representation and confusion aboutthe region from all quarters, within and outside India. Only people who can change the situation are the people of Assam NE. As such this has beenan opportunity let othersknow what is happening in Assam and the NE. From that angle,this presentation was very important. Brookings Institute has organized andinvited these three individualsfrom India to talk about Assam and NE. We are proud that Sanjoy Hazarika happens to be one of the speakers. (We don't have to know what exactly what he spoke here, because we know what he will speak to prsent the right picture). (For thosewho donot know much about Sanjoy Hazarika, I can summarize his achievementsin the following sentence: He is a hard working Assamese journalist of high caliber, who, among other things,visited and dined withPhizo;who wrote such classic books as 'The Strangers in the Mist', "The Rites of Passage" etc givingthe complete no-nonsense storyof the insurgencies and the immigration problems in NE;who recently won the an award from the World Bank for designing the 'Ship of Hope',a unique but simpleboat for the Flood Victims in Assam and who produced the documentary "Brahmaputra", and whoI found to be adedicated hard working young Assamese who is presently engaged for the welfare on the entire people of NE without any prejudice. See more of Sanjoy Hazarika in www.c-nes.com). Partha Gogoi from Washington DC who attended the presentation wroteabout the workshop thus,"On the workshop, there was no presentation in the form of a slide-show as such. The three key-note speakers were asked to talk for at least 15 minutes about their views on the North East. There were several heavyweights in the crowd - Salman Haider (India's previous Foreign Secy - was basically India's top diplomat), Swaminathan Aiyer (writes Swaminomics in Times of India and based out of DC), Amnesty International Director, Stephen Cohen who's an expert on South Asian affairs and several interested Americans who seemed to know about Phizo and the Naga insurgency." What we need is tofind whatthe other twokey note speakers, namely Lieutenant-General VK Raghavan, former DG Military Operations of the Indian Army, and Samir K Das of Calcutta Universityspoke about.As a community from Assam, what we can and should do, in my opinion, is to find out more about the Brookings Institute and other such organizations where we can present the correct picture aboutAssam and the North East. Sanjoy Hazarika has just opened the door for us. Hementioned that the discussion was co-hosted by Stephen Cohen, a friend of India, who is at Brookings, and Mutthiah Alagappa of the East-West Centre; We need to explore more about these individuals for future. May be we can explore to see if we can make it possible to bring Sanjoy Hazarika for more presentation in such other international platforms or by any other for that matter. Rajen. - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta To: Barua25 ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:28
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like success.-Napolean Pope
Title: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like s ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. Anyone can have any view. Does not really take any skills, of any kind, to mouth off. But what is the value of such opinions? At 7:38 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: I was seeing an exhibition on Napolean yesterday at National Geographic Scoeity's HQ -- how Napolean used the Mentor of Catholics - the Pope -- to get himself declared the Emperor of France. Later asked the Pope to step down from his position. Mentors are dangerous unless chosen wisely-- they can be like false prophets or false Gurus. One has to be very careful while choosing mentors. ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. Umesh Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to send a copy to Assamnet. It was meant to be public discussion. Dilip Deka It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. I believe the full working brain meant to say It ought to be apparent to anyone with a half working brain. I'd thinkhalf a working brain, though it is not wholesome, is better than a brain not working because it still works, buta half working brain is dangerous. You never know when that halfworking brain is actually working and when it is not working. :-) :-) Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It does not do anyone any good. It just aggravates personal relations. There have been so many instances of thisin the past but the writers don't seem to realize when to stop. About mentoring the indigenous people in Assam, I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. From my side I'd say if mentoring is the solution, why wait for mentoring to start after sovereignty and not get an early start now? How come the mentees didn't accept it in the past and why should citizens of equal rights accept it in the future? There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. Dilip Deka Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:04 AM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: The question is : are the demanders of sovereignity (read ULFA and fellow travellers) arequalified to be mentors of anyone. Umesh It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ForThose Antagoniststo Sovereignty for Assam who cite everytime what IF the INDIGENOUS(as if Assamese are not)peoples say NO/--read this sent in by Umesh. Hope you will see the point. Power Mentoring: How Successful Mentors and Protégés Get the Most Out of Their Relationships by Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy Jossey Bass, 2005 November 7, 2005 Many prominent leaders across the public and private sectors attribute their success to the strong mentoring relationships they developed in their careers. Even Bill Gates, who rose from nerdy, disheveled programmer to software company giant, benefited from an early mentoring relationship: As a student at Seattles Lakeside High School, he landed his first computer job thanks to the guidance of a high school teacher, Fred Wright. Wright also mentored Gates classmates and fellow computer club membersthree of whom went on to become programmers at Microsoft, and another, Paul Allen, who co-founded Microsoft. In this book, management professors Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy use Gates to explore the concept of power mentoring. Power mentoring simply means that protégés do not rely on one particular person for support, but rather strategically cultivate a variety of mentors for support and advice. The traditional mentoring relationship in corporate America used to involve an older, wiser executive who selected a protégé of similar background and career interests. Mentor and protégé may have attended the same college or shared the same social milieu. The mentor groomed the protégé in his image, dispensing professional wisdom as well as secrets of the organization. Ensher and Murphy, who interviewed fifty leaders in a variety of industries to ensure that their study included women as well as people of color, have identified a pattern more common today. Protégés do not hesitate to ask for help and are eager to learn from others. While a privileged background certainly gives some people a boost, others in the study rose from modest beginnings and overcame obstacles to attain their current level of success. The obvious audience for Power Mentoring is managers and professionals concerned about their own career development, but the book is also targeted at administrators of mentoring programs and anyone who teaches or conducts training about mentoring. It is hard to argue with the benefits of mentoring. But it is important to keep in mind that formal and informal mentoring programs within an organization carry the potential to emphasize inequity if such opportunities are not carefully institutionalized so that they are
Re: [Assam] News from Sentinel
Title: Re: [Assam] News from Sentinel At 9:40 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, From the article: The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are inside the jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safe places to keep their children outside the jail. *** And the difference from being imprisoned? At best semantic, isn't it? The bottom line: These children are being made to pay for their parents' sins, real or imagined. Do civilized people do that? You tell us. But I will take a step back and ask you and others if it is a Hindu thing: For children to pay for the sins of their parents, and ancestors? Why I ask is that I am reminded, very vaguely, about certain rites by offsprings, at the demise of their parents, dealing with their salvation or something to do with that. Maybe there IS such a thing in Hindu traditions for the offsprings to pay for their parents' sins. Is there? If it is so, it might explain this profoundly despicable practice. I am going to look into referring the issue to Amnesty International. If there is anyone in the net who have made contacts with AI in the past, will appreciate any feedback. cm The jail authorities got in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided them with a teacher. Umesh Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:15:20 -0600 To: assam@assamnet.org From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] News from Sentinel This is the kind of democracy that is running the country, in which CHILDREN are in prison along with their parents. Is this the legacy of a ten, and why not even 15, thousand year (un)civilization? cm Of ISI teachers and ULFA 'kids' NAGAON, Nov 7 (UNI): The teachers are dreaded ISI agents and the students ULFA children. Nothing sinister here but. This unique school with seven students and three teachers is inside a jail of Assam. The students are mostly offsprings of the jailed ULFA leaders and the teachers are three dreaded ISI agents, condemned for life. The! ir daily activities related to schooling have brought in a fresh air of expectation and happiness in the entire jail compound which has been resounding with nursery rhymes along with the usual sounds of thick heavy boots walking on the long verandahs. The school curriculum is a healthy mixture of alphabets, English and games besides the lively nursery rhymes. The school, without a name, is housed inside the Nagaon district jail, 130 kilometre from Guwahati, where the three ISI agents and a group of ULFA detenues, many of whom are women, are jailed. The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are inside the jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safe places to keep their children outside the jail. The jail authorities got in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided them with a teacher. But the three ISI agents, one each from Karachi and Bangladesh, came forward and, according to jail authorities, they are proving to be good teachers with children enjoying with them. The three ISI agents are Fasiullah (45) from Karachi, Billal Miyan (35) of Shyllet, Bangladesh and Mosaha Samsed Khan (30) of Muzaffarpur of Uttar Pradesh. Of them, Fasiullah is the dreaded one and his arrest five years back was considered as one of the greatest success of Assam Police as well as the Central Intelligence Agencies. Fasiullah was the actual kingpin of the ISI racket in the North east India, supplying both money and material in the fertile land of Islamist Fundamentalists in bordering areas of lower Assam. He, along with other two, were lodged in the Guwahati jail and only on August 8 were they transferred to Nagaon jail as the Guwahati jail had become overcrowded. All the three were lodged at Hospital ward of the Nagaon jail where they have opened their school also. The ULFA detenues are kept! a little away in the general ward or National Security Act (NSA) prisoner's ward. There is no fixed time for the school and it all depends on the children's waking up and getting ready. The jail authorities have provided each child books, pencils and rough books, besides elementary facilities and the children are very happy to be with their teachers. According to jail authorities the teachers focus more on English, which have made their mothers happier. Although there is no official record, in various jails there are more than 30 such children of ULFA parents. Most of these young ULFA boys and girls joined the militant outfits with romantic illusions and got married and down the years were arrested by police. The maximum number of mothers and children got arrested when the Bhutan camp was busted. The eldest child of Nagaon jail is Abinav Deka (6). ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like success.-Napolean Pope
C-da, You did not see the analogy. Like Pope - is the PCG negotiating with GOI - and like Napolean is ULFA - which wants the appeal of PCG members to win public support for their coronation. Later to be discarded -- like Napolean tried to pressurize Pope to resign. What is the skill of ULFA members? Has any ULFA wing ever done any development work for Assam? Napolean never killed his own countrymen in trying to win power. UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. Anyone can have any view. Does not really take any skills, of any kind, to mouth off. But what is the value of such opinions? At 7:38 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: I was seeing an exhibition on Napolean yesterday at National Geographic Scoeity's HQ -- how Napolean used the "Mentor" of Catholics - the Pope -- to get himself declared the Emperor of France. Later asked the Pope to step down from his position. Mentors are dangerous unless chosen wisely-- they can be like false prophets or false Gurus. One has to be very careful while choosing mentors. ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. UmeshDilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to send a copy to Assamnet. It was meant to be public discussion. Dilip Deka " It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain." I believe the full working brain meant to say "It ought to be apparent to anyone with a half working brain." I'd thinkhalf a working brain, though it is not wholesome, is better than a brain not working because it still works, buta half working brain is dangerous. You never know when that halfworking brain is actually working and when it is not working. :-) :-) Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It does not do anyone any good. It just aggravates personal relations. There have been so many instances of thisin the past but the writers don't seem to realize when to stop. About "mentoring" the indigenous people in Assam, I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. From my side I'd say if mentoring is the solution, why wait for mentoring to start after "sovereignty" and not get an early start now? How come the "mentees" didn't accept it in the past and why should citizens of equal rights accept it in the future? There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. Dilip DekaChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:04 AM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: The question is : are the demanders of sovereignity (read ULFA and fellow travellers) arequalified to be mentors of anyone. Umesh It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ForThose Antagoniststo Sovereignty for Assam who cite everytime "what IF the INDIGENOUS(as if Assamese are not)peoples say NO/"--read this sent in by Umesh. Hope you will see the point. Power Mentoring: How Successful Mentors and Protégés Get the Most Out of Their Relationships by Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy Jossey Bass, 2005 November 7, 2005 Many prominent leaders across the public and private sectors attribute their success to the strong mentoring relationships they developed in their careers. Even Bill Gates, who rose from nerdy, disheveled programmer to software company giant, benefited from an early mentoring relationship: As a student at Seattles Lakeside High School, he landed his first computer job thanks to the guidance of a high school teacher, Fred Wright. Wright also mentored Gates classmates and fellow computer club membersthree of whom went on to become programmers at Microsoft, and another, Paul Allen, who co-founded Microsoft. In this book, management professors Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy use Gates to explore the concept of power mentoring. Power mentoring simply means that protégés do not rely on one particular person for support, but rather strategically cultivate a variety of mentors for support and advice. The traditional mentoring relationship in corporate America used to involve an older, wiser executive who selected a protégé of similar background and career interests. Mentor and protégé may have attended the same college or shared the same social milieu. The mentor groomed the protégé in his image, dispensing professional wisdom as well as secrets of the organization. Ensher and Murphy, who interviewed fifty leaders in a variety of industries to ensure that their study included women as well as people of color, have identified a pattern more common today. Protégés do not hesitate to ask for help and are eager to learn from others. While a privileged background certainly gives some people a boost, others in the study rose from modest beginnings and overcame obstacles to attain their current level of success. The obvious audience for Power Mentoring is managers and professionals concerned about their own career development, but the book is
Re: [Assam] News from Sentinel - prisoners' children
I do wish that Assamese NGO take up the task of raising children of imprisoned ULFA members. Prima -facie from the article it seems that Indian govt has granted special concession to allow the ULFA members to remain together . I my own home -- I look at the case of my poor cousin who was poisoned by his wife last year and died subsequently. The wife and her paramour are in jail now. What happened to the children?? Noone in our family wanted to shoulder the burden of raising them. Ultimately now they are with my father -- who is a distant relative of theirs. Perhaps similarly noone wants to raise the children of imprisonedULFA members. It is good that this issue has been raised. maybe NRAs can do something for the children - like opening a residential school in Assam and providing funds for international level studies. UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:40 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, From the article: "The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are insidethe jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safeplaces to keep their children outside the jail. *** And the difference from being imprisoned? At best semantic, isn't it? The bottom line: These children are being made to pay for their parents' sins, real or imagined. Do civilized people do that? You tell us. But I will take a step back and ask you and others if it is a Hindu thing: For children to pay for the sins of their parents, and ancestors? Why I ask is that I am reminded, very vaguely, about certain rites by offsprings, at the demise of their parents, dealing with their salvation or something to do with that. Maybe there IS such a thing in Hindu traditions for the offsprings to pay for their parents' sins. Is there? If it is so, it might explain this profoundly despicable practice. I am going to look into referring the issue to Amnesty International. If there is anyone in the net who have made contacts with AI in the past, will appreciate any feedback. cm The jail authoritiesgot in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided themwith a teacher." UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:15:20 -0600To: assam@assamnet.orgFrom: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Assam] News from SentinelThis is the kind of democracy that is running the country, in whichCHILDREN are in prison along with their parents. Is this the legacyof a ten, and why not even 15, thousand year (un)civilization?cmOf ISI teachers and ULFA 'kids'NAGAON, Nov 7 (UNI): The teachers are dreaded ISI agents and thestudents "ULFA children". Nothing sinister here but.This unique school with seven students and three teachers is insidea jail of Assam. The students are mostly offsprings of the jailedULFA leaders and the teachers are three dreaded ISI agents,condemned for life.The! ir daily activities related to schooling have brought in a freshair of expectation and happiness in the entire jail compound whichhas been resounding with nursery rhymes along with the usual soundsof thick heavy boots walking on the long verandahs.The school curriculum is a healthy mixture of alphabets, English andgames besides the lively nursery rhymes.The school, without a name, is housed inside the Nagaon districtjail, 130 kilometre from Guwahati, where the three ISI agents and agroup of ULFA detenues, many of whom are women, are jailed.The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are insidethe jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safeplaces to keep their children outside the jail. The jail authoritiesgot in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided themwith a teacher.But the three ISI agents, one each from Karachi and Bangladesh, cameforward and, according to jail authorities, they are proving to begood teachers with children enjoying with them.The three ISI agents are Fasiullah (45) from Karachi, Billal Miyan(35) of Shyllet, Bangladesh and Mosaha Samsed Khan (30) ofMuzaffarpur of Uttar Pradesh. Of them, Fasiullah is the dreaded oneand his arrest five years back was considered as one of the greatestsuccess of Assam Police as well as the Central Intelligence Agencies.Fasiullah was the actual kingpin of the ISI racket in the North eastIndia, supplying both money and material in the fertile land ofIslamist Fundamentalists in bordering areas of lower Assam.He, along with other two, were lodged in the Guwahati jail and onlyon August 8 were they transferred to Nagaon jail as the Guwahatijail had become overcrowded.All the three were lodged at Hospital ward of the Nagaon jail wherethey have opened their school also. The ULFA detenues are kept! a little away in the general ward or National Security Act (NSA)prisoner's ward.There is no fixed time for the school and it all depends on thechildren's waking up and getting ready.The jail authorities have provided each child
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like success.-Napolean Pope
I am very vocal about my doubt about the future of a sovereign Assam. However, in my opinion,the most pragmatic solution to all these debates onsovereignity lie in GOI agreeing to a referrendum to determine the fate of Assam. Both pro and anti sovereign parties should try to convince the people on the merits and ills of a sovereign Assam and then let the people decide what they want. The GOI and ULFA, NDFB etc should also have to moral courage to face the outcome of a referrendum held in a fair democratic way. Having said the above, if a referrendum is ever held to determine the future of the region, I would vote against sovereignity. In fact I am sure most of the people in the region feel the same way and the outcome of the referrendum will go against sovereignity. That's why I think GOI should agree to a referrendum. But we (whether pro or anti sovereignity group) should have the courage to face and honor the verdict of the people. I hope GOI will some day feel that way.Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. Anyone can have any view. Does not really take any skills, of any kind, to mouth off. But what is the value of such opinions? At 7:38 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: I was seeing an exhibition on Napolean yesterday at National Geographic Scoeity's HQ -- how Napolean used the "Mentor" of Catholics - the Pope -- to get himself declared the Emperor of France. Later asked the Pope to step down from his position. Mentors are dangerous unless chosen wisely-- they can be like false prophets or false Gurus. One has to be very careful while choosing mentors. ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. UmeshDilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to send a copy to Assamnet. It was meant to be public discussion. Dilip Deka " It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain." I believe the full working brain meant to say "It ought to be apparent to anyone with a half working brain." I'd thinkhalf a working brain, though it is not wholesome, is better than a brain not working because it still works, buta half working brain is dangerous. You never know when that halfworking brain is actually working and when it is not working. :-) :-) Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It does not do anyone any good. It just aggravates personal relations. There have been so many instances of thisin the past but the writers don't seem to realize when to stop. About "mentoring" the indigenous people in Assam, I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. From my side I'd say if mentoring is the solution, why wait for mentoring to start after "sovereignty" and not get an early start now? How come the "mentees" didn't accept it in the past and why should citizens of equal rights accept it in the future? There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. Dilip DekaChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:04 AM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: The question is : are the demanders of sovereignity (read ULFA and fellow travellers) arequalified to be mentors of anyone. Umesh It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ForThose Antagoniststo Sovereignty for Assam who cite everytime "what IF the INDIGENOUS(as if Assamese are not)peoples say NO/"--read this sent in by Umesh. Hope you will see the point. Power Mentoring: How Successful Mentors and Protégés Get the Most Out of Their Relationships by Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy Jossey Bass, 2005 November 7, 2005 Many prominent leaders across the public and private sectors attribute their success to the strong mentoring relationships they developed in their careers. Even Bill Gates, who rose from nerdy, disheveled programmer to software company giant, benefited from an early mentoring relationship: As a student at Seattles Lakeside High School, he landed his first computer job thanks to the guidance of a high school teacher, Fred Wright. Wright also mentored Gates classmates and fellow computer club membersthree of whom went on to become programmers at Microsoft, and another, Paul Allen, who co-founded Microsoft. In this book, management professors Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy use Gates to explore the concept of power mentoring. Power mentoring simply means that protégés do not rely on one particular person for support, but rather strategically cultivate a variety of mentors for support and advice. The traditional mentoring relationship in corporate America used to involve an older, wiser executive who selected a protégé of similar background and career interests. Mentor and protégé may have attended the same college or shared the same social milieu. The mentor groomed the protégé in his image, dispensing professional wisdom as well as secrets of the organization. Ensher and Murphy,
Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like success.-Napolean Pope
Title: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Re: Sovereignty--Nothing succeeds like su I would vote against sovereignity. That is one's choice. But the ONLY right way to determine where the wishes of the majority lies is a referendum, held after a period of free and unfettered one. But as I said before, I won't hold my breath on GoI agreeing to it. At 1:40 AM + 11/9/05, Malabika Brahma wrote: I am very vocal about my doubt about the future of a sovereign Assam. However, in my opinion,the most pragmatic solution to all these debates onsovereignity lie in GOI agreeing to a referrendum to determine the fate of Assam. Both pro and anti sovereign parties should try to convince the people on the merits and ills of a sovereign Assam and then let the people decide what they want. The GOI and ULFA, NDFB etc should also have to moral courage to face the outcome of a referrendum held in a fair democratic way. Having said the above, if a referrendum is ever held to determine the future of the region, I would vote against sovereignity. In fact I am sure most of the people in the region feel the same way and the outcome of the referrendum will go against sovereignity. That's why I think GOI should agree to a referrendum. But we (whether pro or anti sovereignity group) should have the courage to face and honor the verdict of the people. I hope GOI will some day feel that way. Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. Anyone can have any view. Does not really take any skills, of any kind, to mouth off. But what is the value of such opinions? At 7:38 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: I was seeing an exhibition on Napolean yesterday at National Geographic Scoeity's HQ -- how Napolean used the Mentor of Catholics - the Pope -- to get himself declared the Emperor of France. Later asked the Pope to step down from his position. Mentors are dangerous unless chosen wisely-- they can be like false prophets or false Gurus. One has to be very careful while choosing mentors. ULFA can mentor anyone ? -- perhaps only in the art of killing - thats my view. Umesh Dilip/Dil Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to send a copy to Assamnet. It was meant to be public discussion. Dilip Deka It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. I believe the full working brain meant to say It ought to be apparent to anyone with a half working brain. I'd thinkhalf a working brain, though it is not wholesome, is better than a brain not working because it still works, buta half working brain is dangerous. You never know when that halfworking brain is actually working and when it is not working. :-) :-) Humor aside, this attack of disparagingwords needs to stop. It does not do anyone any good. It just aggravates personal relations. There have been so many instances of thisin the past but the writers don't seem to realize when to stop. About mentoring the indigenous people in Assam, I am eagerly waiting to hear what Utpal Brahma has to say. From my side I'd say if mentoring is the solution, why wait for mentoring to start after sovereignty and not get an early start now? How come the mentees didn't accept it in the past and why should citizens of equal rights accept it in the future? There is something hokey and dangerous in this thought process. Dilip Deka Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 2:04 AM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: The question is : are the demanders of sovereignity (read ULFA and fellow travellers) arequalified to be mentors of anyone. Umesh It ought to be apparent to anyone with half a working brain. mc mahant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ForThose Antagoniststo Sovereignty for Assam who cite everytime what IF the INDIGENOUS(as if Assamese are not)peoples say NO/--read this sent in by Umesh. Hope you will see the point. Power Mentoring: How Successful Mentors and Protégés Get the Most Out of Their Relationships by Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy Jossey Bass, 2005 November 7, 2005 Many prominent leaders across the public and private sectors attribute their success to the strong mentoring relationships they developed in their careers. Even Bill Gates, who rose from nerdy, disheveled programmer to software company giant, benefited from an early mentoring relationship: As a student at Seattles Lakeside High School, he landed his first computer job thanks to the guidance of a high school teacher, Fred Wright. Wright also mentored Gates classmates and fellow computer club membersthree of whom went on to become programmers at Microsoft, and another, Paul Allen, who co-founded Microsoft. In this book, management professors Ellen Ensher and Susan Murphy use Gates to explore the concept of power mentoring. Power mentoring simply means that protégés do not rely on one particular person for support, but rather strategically cultivate a variety of
Re: [Assam] News from Sentinel - prisoners' children
I think, when one looks at the whole thing, this seems to be rather a positive and creative thing that GOI is doing by allowing the children to live inside the jail with their mothers. On a negative sense, we may say, like Chandan is doing, look, they are putting the children also in jail, what a shame. But look at thealternatives. In the West, where things are looked either as black or white, suchchildren would have been completely abandoned and would have been drug addict or something like that.(No wonder, USA has the highestnumber of peoplebehindbars). In this creative scheme done by India, the children are allowed to live with their mothers who are in jail. That has definitely lessened the pain of the jail term on both the mother and children. Second the childrenare getting an education. The children probably would not feel that they in jail. I am sure they have the freedom to go out with some guardian. I think the whole experience will pacify the mothers in the end and will make them rather realizethe futility of their mission to die for their country rather than to live for theirchildren.After all, when one looks at things philosophically,all missions, whether religion or patriotism or revolution or revenge, that people often commit themselves to die for,would seem rather childish. After all the whole thing depends onbasicallywhat type of training or lesson onegets inchildhood, or what type of horrible experience people go through in life etc. I am not saying that one is good and the other is bad. Both are life, and people esteem life depending on the value system that they believe. Gandhi was a revolutionary who fought for the freedom of India. Rabindra Nath Tegore or Vivekanand or Aurobindo did not, In the end, I really don't know whose contribution is more for India.Would India would have been bad, if Gandhi were never born? May be India would have been under British rule ten or twenty more years. Would it have been bad? Bad for whom? Definitely not for Assam, many would say. After all the Assamese may be right in taking life rather easy without any strong committment or in as they say, in a Hobo Diok manner. Today Assam may be lagging, but we cannot ssay that the Assamese are lagging. RB - Original Message - From: umesh sharma To: Chan Mahanta ; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] News from Sentinel - prisoners' children I do wish that Assamese NGO take up the task of raising children of imprisoned ULFA members. Prima -facie from the article it seems that Indian govt has granted special concession to allow the ULFA members to remain together . I my own home -- I look at the case of my poor cousin who was poisoned by his wife last year and died subsequently. The wife and her paramour are in jail now. What happened to the children?? Noone in our family wanted to shoulder the burden of raising them. Ultimately now they are with my father -- who is a distant relative of theirs. Perhaps similarly noone wants to raise the children of imprisonedULFA members. It is good that this issue has been raised. maybe NRAs can do something for the children - like opening a residential school in Assam and providing funds for international level studies. UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 9:40 PM + 11/8/05, umesh sharma wrote: C-da, From the article: "The jail has seven children. They are not prisoners, but are insidethe jail by default as their mothers are prisoners who have no safeplaces to keep their children outside the jail. *** And the difference from being imprisoned? At best semantic, isn't it? The bottom line: These children are being made to pay for their parents' sins, real or imagined. Do civilized people do that? You tell us. But I will take a step back and ask you and others if it is a Hindu thing: For children to pay for the sins of their parents, and ancestors? Why I ask is that I am reminded, very vaguely, about certain rites by offsprings, at the demise of their parents, dealing with their salvation or something to do with that. Maybe there IS such a thing in Hindu traditions for the offsprings to pay for their parents' sins. Is there? If it is so, it might explain this profoundly despicable practice. I am going to look into referring the issue to Amnesty International. If there is anyone in the net who have made contacts with AI in the past, will appreciate any feedback. cm The jail authoritiesgot in touch with the Sarba Siksha Mission who in turn provided themwith a teacher." UmeshChan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:15:20 -0600To:
[Assam] Please welcome Ron ..
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