Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
Title: RE: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Hi Santanu: A few quick thoughts about your thoughts. Gotta run for a bunch of meetings this morning. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. *** I don't know the answer. But since the constitution was NOT something given down to a bearded man on a mountain top engraved in stone tablets by God himself, and it was something devised by imperfect men, who did NOT represent all of the disparate constituents of the union and under circumstances not entirely under their control and/or free will; one will have to believe that it is an instrument that should and could be amended and corrected, to reflect the need of the times. There is nothing inherently sacrosanct about a constitution. Much more so in the Indian context, because it is violated by its custodians everyday, with the institutions of governance UNABLE to prevent its debasement. The Indian constitution's sanctity is a myth, created by people in power, by majoritarian diktat, and not thru democratic means where minority rights have credible and effective built-in protections. *** The question of the constitutional constraints in dealing with the issue of secession aspirations of a people could arise ONLY if the constitution has been mutually acceptable with a credible track-record for safeguarding the interests of the many disparate constituents of the union, as they were promised at the time of accession. Take for example the case of Manipur, in which the accession was forced by imprisonment of its King by a lowly Indian army Brigadier at the orders of Sardar Patel. If it is not so accepted by EVEN ONE of the constituents, then it is fair game to be disavowed by the aggrieved party. That would be a natural law. Oh, yes there would be the issue of might is right. Just as it has played out in the subcontinent since independence. And that is why the armed rebellions. More later! At 10:07 PM -0600 1/9/06, Roy, Santanu wrote: One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have a constitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over 50 times. Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose a political party was floated in Assam that demanded an amendment to the constitution - in this instance, with particular reference to procedure for secession of Assam. Suppose it contested the election on that platform and won a strong majority of seats. Would that be almost equivalent to a preliminary vote on demand for self determination? I am just thinking aloud. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan Mahanta Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 12:30 PM To: Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Chandan da thinks he is right. *** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows they have suffered enough. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. *** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thru a free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), if they choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional state of the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that. And I salute YOU Utpal, for being able to think like that ( not that I had a doubt).But can Ram? Can Rajen? Can Himen-da ? Can the so many amongst us who sing the praises of democracy on the one hand, but shall not accord the same to the people of Assam, or of Kashmir? I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. *** Me too. But we all know the reality. At 11:23 PM + 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday the nation called India will be matured
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
C-da: I agre with all of this. But an armed rebellion is not likely to succeed on its own. One needs a civilian political movement above the ground for three reasons. One, to build up and establish internationally visible political legitimacy for the demand for secession (this is distinct from the moral legitimacy of the demand that you allude to). Second, to articulate and formulate a blueprint for the proposed state in transparent direct interaction with people. This cannot be done from the barracks. Third, and this is far important than all of the above, to actively foster nation building across the thnic groups in the state. To have a nation state, a pan-Assam political nationality beyond ethnic identities must emerge. This is also not possible without a long term civil movement. My thoughts were in connection with how one might find room for a civil political movement even within the current political landscape. In the history of the world, no armed rebellion has been sustained more than few decades without a definite strong civilian political process above the ground. If the demand for secession is based on the fact that Assam and the states of north east India are colonies of India - then, one must also understand that no empire minds insurgency or armed rebellion that only affects the colonies. For them, its a nuisance at worst. Finally, I do not think the current negotiations are going to lead to any settlement in the near future. Santanu. -Original Message- From: Chan Mahanta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 11:13 PM To: Roy, Santanu; Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.org Subject: RE: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Hi Santanu: A few quick thoughts about your thoughts. Gotta run for a bunch of meetings this morning. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. *** I don't know the answer. But since the constitution was NOT something given down to a bearded man on a mountain top engraved in stone tablets by God himself, and it was something devised by imperfect men, who did NOT represent all of the disparate constituents of the union and under circumstances not entirely under their control and/or free will; one will have to believe that it is an instrument that should and could be amended and corrected, to reflect the need of the times. There is nothing inherently sacrosanct about a constitution. Much more so in the Indian context, because it is violated by its custodians everyday, with the institutions of governance UNABLE to prevent its debasement. The Indian constitution's sanctity is a myth, created by people in power, by majoritarian diktat, and not thru democratic means where minority rights have credible and effective built-in protections. *** The question of the constitutional constraints in dealing with the issue of secession aspirations of a people could arise ONLY if the constitution has been mutually acceptable with a credible track-record for safeguarding the interests of the many disparate constituents of the union, as they were promised at the time of accession. Take for example the case of Manipur, in which the accession was forced by imprisonment of its King by a lowly Indian army Brigadier at the orders of Sardar Patel. If it is not so accepted by EVEN ONE of the constituents, then it is fair game to be disavowed by the aggrieved party. That would be a natural law. Oh, yes there would be the issue of might is right. Just as it has played out in the subcontinent since independence. And that is why the armed rebellions. More later! At 10:07 PM -0600 1/9/06, Roy, Santanu wrote: One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have a constitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over 50 times. Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose a political party was floated in Assam that demanded an amendment to the constitution - in this instance, with particular reference to procedure for secession of Assam. Suppose it contested the election on that platform and won a strong majority of seats. Would that be almost equivalent to a preliminary vote on demand for self determination? I am just thinking aloud. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan Mahanta Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 12:30 PM To: Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Chandan da thinks he is right. *** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
Well stated, Santanu. You managed to speak your mind without getting hung up on emotions. The following paragraph was not very clear to me -- If the demand for secession is based on the fact that Assam and the states of north east India are colonies of India - then, one must also understand that no empire minds insurgency or armed rebellion that only affects the colonies. For them, its a nuisance at worst. Can you elaborate please? Dilipda - Original Message From: Roy, Santanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite C-da: I agre with all of this. But an armed rebellion is not likely to succeed on its own. One needs a civilian political movement above the ground for three reasons. One, to build up and establish internationally visible political legitimacy for the demand for secession (this is distinct from the moral legitimacy of the demand that you allude to). Second, to articulate and formulate a blueprint for the proposed state in transparent direct interaction with people. This cannot be done from the barracks. Third, and this is far important than all of the above, to actively foster nation building across the thnic groups in the state. To have a nation state, a pan-Assam political nationality beyond ethnic identities must emerge. This is also not possible without a long term civil movement. My thoughts were in connection with how one might find room for a civil political movement even within the current political landscape. In the history of the world, no armed rebellion has been sustained more than few decades without a definite strong civilian political process above the ground. If the demand for secession is based on the fact that Assam and the states of north east India are colonies of India - then, one must also understand that no empire minds insurgency or armed rebellion that only affects the colonies. For them, its a nuisance at worst. Finally, I do not think the current negotiations are going to lead to any settlement in the near future. Santanu. -Original Message- From: Chan Mahanta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 11:13 PM To: Roy, Santanu; Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.org Subject: RE: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Hi Santanu: A few quick thoughts about your thoughts. Gotta run for a bunch of meetings this morning. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. *** I don't know the answer. But since the constitution was NOT something given down to a bearded man on a mountain top engraved in stone tablets by God himself, and it was something devised by imperfect men, who did NOT represent all of the disparate constituents of the union and under circumstances not entirely under their control and/or free will; one will have to believe that it is an instrument that should and could be amended and corrected, to reflect the need of the times. There is nothing inherently sacrosanct about a constitution. Much more so in the Indian context, because it is violated by its custodians everyday, with the institutions of governance UNABLE to prevent its debasement. The Indian constitution's sanctity is a myth, created by people in power, by majoritarian diktat, and not thru democratic means where minority rights have credible and effective built-in protections. *** The question of the constitutional constraints in dealing with the issue of secession aspirations of a people could arise ONLY if the constitution has been mutually acceptable with a credible track-record for safeguarding the interests of the many disparate constituents of the union, as they were promised at the time of accession. Take for example the case of Manipur, in which the accession was forced by imprisonment of its King by a lowly Indian army Brigadier at the orders of Sardar Patel. If it is not so accepted by EVEN ONE of the constituents, then it is fair game to be disavowed by the aggrieved party. That would be a natural law. Oh, yes there would be the issue of might is right. Just as it has played out in the subcontinent since independence. And that is why the armed rebellions. More later! At 10:07 PM -0600 1/9/06, Roy, Santanu wrote: One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have a constitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over 50 times. Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose a political party was floated
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
the moral legitimacy of the demand that you allude to).Second, to articulate and formulate a blueprint for the proposed state in transparent direct interaction with people. This cannot be done from the barracks. Third, and this is far important than all of the above, to actively foster nation building across the thnic groups in the state. To have a nation state, a pan-Assam political nationality beyond ethnic identities must emerge. This is also not possible without a long term civil movement. My thoughts were in connection with how one might find room for a civil political movement even within the current political landscape.In the history of the world, no armed rebellion has been sustained more than few decades without a definite strong civilian political process above the ground. If the demand for secession is based on the fact that Assam and the states of north east India are colonies of India - then, one must also understand that no empire minds insurgency or armed rebellion that only affects the colonies. For them, its a nuisance at worst. Finally, I do not think the current negotiations are going to lead to any settlement in the near future.Santanu.-Original Message-From: Chan Mahanta [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 11:13 PMTo: Roy, Santanu; Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.orgSubject: RE: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Hi Santanu:A few quick thoughts about your thoughts. Gotta run for a bunch ofmeetings this morning.Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand anamendment to the constitution? I don't think so. *** I don't know the answer. But since the constitution was NOTsomething given down to a bearded man on a mountain top engraved instone tablets by God himself, and it was something devised byimperfect men, who did NOT represent all of the disparate constituents of the union and under circumstances not entirely undertheir control and/or free will; one will have to believe that it isan instrument that should and could be amended and corrected, toreflect the need of the times. There is nothing inherently sacrosanct about a constitution. Muchmore so in the Indian context, because it is violated by itscustodians everyday, with the institutions of governance UNABLE toprevent its debasement. The Indian constitution's sanctity is a myth, created by people in power, by majoritarian diktat, and not thrudemocratic means where minority rights have credible and effectivebuilt-in protections.*** The question of the constitutional constraints in dealing with the issue of secession aspirations of a people could arise ONLY ifthe constitution has been mutually acceptable with a credibletrack-record for safeguarding the interests of the many disparateconstituents of the union, as they were promised at the time of accession.Take for example the case of Manipur, in which the accession wasforced by imprisonment of its King by a lowly Indian army Brigadierat the orders of Sardar Patel.If it is not so accepted by EVEN ONE of the constituents, then it is fair game to be disavowed by the aggrieved party. That would be anatural law.Oh, yes there would be the issue of might is right. Just as it hasplayed out in the subcontinent since independence. And that is why the armed rebellions.More later!At 10:07 PM -0600 1/9/06, Roy, Santanu wrote:One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have aconstitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over50 times.Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is thatunconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand anamendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose apolitical party was floated in Assam that demanded an amendment to the constitution - in this instance, with particular reference toprocedure for secession of Assam. Suppose it contested the electionon that platform and won a strong majority of seats. Would that be almost equivalent to a preliminary vote on demand for selfdetermination?I am just thinking aloud.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan MahantaSent: Tue 1/10/2006 12:30 PMTo: Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Chandan da thinks he is right.*** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people ofAssam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows they have suffered enough. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India ormay be they don't.*** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thrua free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), ifthey choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional state of the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that.And I salute
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
I will go further than Chandan da. If one plebiscite fails in Assam or Kashmir or Nagaland for whatever reasons, it doesn't seal the Assam nation's or Kashmir nation's on Naga nation's fate for ever. Such plebiscites should be allowed every 10-15-25 years say, at least every generation, if there is demand for it, just like Canada allows. A country's or an empire's boundaries are not immortal, they change as an obvious matter of history and flow of time and events, and if such changes can be effected by plebiscites and not by the making of war, it is the ultimate triumph of democracy as far as the human race is concerned. Similarly, if some regions or national groups want to become a part of another union, like the countries of Eastern Europe recently becoming part of the European Union, that should also be done by public, open and fair voting. That is the ideal situation, the human race should strive for: free (albeit following an arduous procedure so that there is no anarchy) association or disassociation of regions or national groups, the right of regions or national groups to choose their own destiny by peaceful means. Secession by plebiscites should be enshrined as a moral and legal principle of world governance as is accession by plebiscites at this time. That is the ideal all liberal, open-minded, human-minded intellectuals, policy makers and statesmen should strive for, to accept in their own minds and in policy-making. Jugal -Original Message- From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; assam@assamnet.org Sent: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:30:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Chandan da thinks he is right. *** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows they have suffered enough. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. *** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thru a free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), if they choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional state of the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that. And I salute YOU Utpal, for being able to think like that ( not that I had a doubt).But can Ram? Can Rajen? Can Himen-da ? Can the so many amongst us who sing the praises of democracy on the one hand, but shall not accord the same to the people of Assam, or of Kashmir? I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. *** Me too. But we all know the reality. At 11:23 PM + 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. Ut! pal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
answer. But since the constitution was NOTsomething given down to a bearded man on a mountain top engraved instone tablets by God himself, and it was something devised byimperfect men, who did NOT represent all of the disparateconstituents of the union and under circumstances not entirely undertheir control and/or free will; one will have to believe that it isan instrument that should and could be amended and corrected, toreflect the need of the times.There is nothing inherently sacrosanct about a constitution. Muchmore so in the Indian context, because it is violated by itscustodians everyday, with the institutions of governance UNABLE toprevent its debasement. The Indian constitution's sanctity is a myth,created by people in power, by majoritarian diktat, and not thrudemocratic means where minority rights have credible and effectivebuilt-in protections.*** The question of the constitutional constraints in dealing withthe issue of secession aspirations of a people could arise ONLY ifthe constitution has been mutually acceptable with a credibletrack-record for safeguarding the interests of the many disparateconstituents of the union, as they were promised at the time ofaccession.Take for example the case of Manipur, in which the accession wasforced by imprisonment of its King by a lowly Indian army Brigadierat the orders of Sardar Patel.If it is not so accepted by EVEN ONE of the constituents, then it isfair game to be disavowed by the aggrieved party. That would be anatural law.Oh, yes there would be the issue of might is right. Just as it hasplayed out in the subcontinent since independence.And that is why the armed rebellions.More later!At 10:07 PM -0600 1/9/06, Roy, Santanu wrote: One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have a constitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over 50 times. Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose a political party was floated in Assam that demanded an amendment to the constitution - in this instance, with particular reference to procedure for secession of Assam. Suppose it contested the election on that platform and won a strong majority of seats. Would that be almost equivalent to a preliminary vote on demand for self determination? I am just thinking aloud.-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan Mahanta Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 12:30 PM To: Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbiciteChandan da thinks he is right. *** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows they have suffered enough. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. *** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thru a free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), if they choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional state of the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that. And I salute YOU Utpal, for being able to think like that ( not that I had a doubt).But can Ram? Can Rajen? Can Himen-da ? Can the so many amongst us who sing the praises of democracy on the one hand, but shall not accord the same to the people of Assam, or of Kashmir? I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution. *** Me too. But we all know the reality. At 11:23 PM + 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution. Ut! pal Brahmahttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/search now __
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Hi there Utpal, No, I don't think I am right all the time -and am sure others think likewise. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. That would be the easy part (thinking about it)- but the tougher part would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one. Why do I say this: Whichever side looses, they are going to claim there was widespread intimidation etc, etc. Yes, one could say - get those international observers (Jimmy Carter) to observe. But that is very unlikely. India will never submit to that (claiming sovereignty issues). Add to the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up with illegal Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents). The question that comes to mind is, if thats the situation (like Pakistanis in Kashmir), why would we ever want to go for a plebicite of a population that would want to merge with B'desh or Pakistan? About a plebicite being bloodless - I seriously doubt if that will be be the turn of events. I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think? --Ram da On 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. Utpal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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Ihope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution. You said it ALL :IF THIS NATION EVER WISHES TO JOIN THE Great Nation Club mm From:Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:assam@assamnet.orgSubject:[Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbiciteDate:Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:23:23 + (GMT) Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution. Utpal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
What I typedA nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think?The nation can alsome only as much mature as the framework will allow it. What I meant was The nation can also be only as much mature as the framework will allow it. Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram da,That would be the easy part (thinking about it)- but the tougher part would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one.But peace itself has been elusive and almost impossible to achive in Kashmir and Assam for last 27 years, isn't it? I think more than "impossible", it is the question of gathering the required courage. A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think?The nation can also me only as much mature as the framework will allow it. Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there Utpal,No, I don't think I am right all the time -and am sure others think likewise. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed.That would be the easy part (thinking about it)- but the tougher part would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one.Why do I say this: Whichever side looses, they are going to claim there was widespread intimidation etc, etc. Yes, one could say - get those international observers (Jimmy Carter) to observe. But that is very unlikely. India will never submit to that (claiming sovereignty issues). Add to the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up with illegal Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents). The question that comes to mind is, if thats the situation (like Pakistanis in Kashmir), why would we ever want to go for a plebicite of a population that would want to merge with B'desh or Pakistan? About a plebicite being bloodless - I seriously doubt if that will be be the turn of events. I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution.A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think?--Ram da On 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed.But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution.Utpal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___assam mailing listassam@assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Does your mail provider give you FREE antivirus protection? Get Yahoo! Mail___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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It's sheer hypocrisy on the part of India if it claims to be the biggest democracy in the world and cannot hold a plebiscite in Assam, NE or Kashmir. Ram da's argument is sheer balony. Jugal -Original Message- From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:01:42 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite What I typed A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think? The nation can also me only as much mature as the framework will allow it. What I meant was The nation can also be only as much mature as the framework will allow it. Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ram da, That would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougher part would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one. But peace itself has been elusive and almost impossible to achive in Kashmir and Assam for last 27 years, isn't it? I think more than impossible, it is the question of gathering the required courage. A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think? The nation can also me only as much mature as the framework will allow it. Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there Utpal, No, I don't think I am right all the time -and am sure others think likewise. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. That would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougher part would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one. Why do I say this: Whichever side looses, they are going to claim there was widespread intimidation etc, etc. Yes, one could say - get those international observers (Jimmy Carter) to observe. But that is very unlikely. India will never submit to that (claiming sovereignty issues). Add to the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up with illegal Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents). The question that comes to mind is, if thats the situation (like Pakistanis in Kashmir), why would we ever want to go for a plebicite of a population that would want to merge with B'desh or Pakistan? About a plebicite being bloodless - I seriously doubt if that will be be the turn of events. I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think? --Ram da On 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. Utpal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Does your mail provider give you FREE antivirus protection? Get Yahoo! Mail ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
Hi Jugal, I am all for a plebicite, but as Utpal pointed out, it would be very difficult for it happen. Just look at Kashmir. The Pakistanis and I guess many in Kashmir want one. But GOI will never go for it because it would claim that many insurgents have crept into Kasmir and will tilt the scales. I would think something similar would be the thinking on the part of GOI inthe case of Assam. Even though India claims to be the biggest democracy ( and she thinks she is), it would be impossible for India (as a nation)to take the risk of losing either Kashmir or Assam. What logical reason (or advantage) would it be for India to allow one, where it might see its area reduced and thus making it more vulnerable to either China or Pakistan? If India were to take that gamble, other states may also join the fray, and India will not like that. My suggestion would be for a number of states to band together and seek autonomy, that would keep the geographical boundaries of India intact, and at the same time allow individual states more power over their resources and also their future. The idea of a plebicite has been bandied about, but if you or others can convince us how one goes about it by holding one peacefully and fairly, then I will definitely swing to a plebicite solution. --Ram da On 1/9/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's sheer hypocrisy on the part of India if it claims to be thebiggest democracy in the world and cannot hold a plebiscite in Assam, NE or Kashmir. Ram da's argument is sheer balony.Jugal-Original Message-From: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani[EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:01:42 + (GMT)Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbiciteWhat I typed A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think?The nation can also me only as much mature as the framework will allowit.What I meant wasThe nation can also be only as much mature as the framework willallow it. Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ram da,That would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougherpart would to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to impossible to hold one.But peace itself has been elusive and almost impossible to achive inKashmir and Assam for last 27 years, isn't it?I think more than impossible, it is the question of gathering the required courage. A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allowit. Don't you think?The nation can also me only as much mature as the framework will allowit. Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi there Utpal,No, I don't think I am right all the time -and am sure others thinklikewise.There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed.That would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougher partwould to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next toimpossible to hold one. Why do I say this: Whichever side looses, they are going to claimthere was widespread intimidation etc, etc. Yes, one could say - getthose international observers (Jimmy Carter) to observe. But that is very unlikely. India will never submit to that (claiming sovereigntyissues).Add to the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up withillegal Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents). The question that comes to mind is, if thats the situation (like Pakistanis in Kashmir),why would we ever want to go for a plebicite of a population that wouldwant to merge with B'desh or Pakistan?About a plebicite being bloodless - I seriously doubt if that will be be the turn of events.I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough toincorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution.A nation can be mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you think?--Ram daOn 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter whatI or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what thepeople of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam wantseperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutralenvironment and avoid all bloodshed.But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moralcourage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whetherpro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same.I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough toincorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. Utpal BrahmaYahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and usedcars online search now___assam mailing list
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Title: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Chandan da thinks he is right. *** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows they have suffered enough. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. *** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thru a free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), if they choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional state of the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that. And I salute YOU Utpal, for being able to think like that ( not that I had a doubt).But can Ram? Can Rajen? Can Himen-da ? Can the so many amongst us who sing the praises of democracy on the one hand, but shall not accord the same to the people of Assam, or of Kashmir? I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. *** Me too. But we all know the reality. At 11:23 PM + 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday thenation called Indiawill be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. Ut! pal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have a constitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over 50 times. Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose a political party was floated in Assam that demanded an amendment to the constitution - in this instance, with particular reference to procedure for secession of Assam. Suppose it contested the election on that platform and won a strong majority of seats. Would that be almost equivalent to a preliminary vote on demand for self determination? I am just thinking aloud. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan Mahanta Sent: Tue 1/10/2006 12:30 PM To: Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.org Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Chandan da thinks he is right. *** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows they have suffered enough. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. *** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thru a free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), if they choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional state of the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that. And I salute YOU Utpal, for being able to think like that ( not that I had a doubt).But can Ram? Can Rajen? Can Himen-da ? Can the so many amongst us who sing the praises of democracy on the one hand, but shall not accord the same to the people of Assam, or of Kashmir? I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. *** Me too. But we all know the reality. At 11:23 PM + 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't. There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the instrument of seccession in the constitution. Ut! pal Brahma http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/search now ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org ___ assam mailing list assam@assamnet.org http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
This is 2006 27 years after Asom gono Andwlon First we don't have yet anypolitical party with such agenda. Not to say of aa political party with such agenda who will win. I think such apolitical party with such agenda will have to bea centrist party to win the majority. It won't win on the mere slogan of"GOI is dysfunctional and we will administer better". People will like to see the beef. So the political who will have such agenda will also have to be a centrist party to be popular. Have we seen even any glimpse of such a party? And then it win on the agenda. Then what? Does the constitution will allow plebicite simply because the state has a political party with that support. Where does the Sovereignty of India goes? Why a soverign country will allow plebisite. This is 2006 This is why I call Ahok Barixa katok pat Roija bhinihi khaija bhat RB - Original Message - From: Ram Sarangapani To: Roy, Santanu Cc: assam@assamnet.org Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite Now Santanu that seems more logical than lot of the stuff on the subject. But I don't know about the constitutional framework - whether such a move is allowed or not. I wonder if it is, and a political party in Assam does win on that ground, what would the GOI do? Would it not have to accede to the demand for an amendment? If it did not, then the GOI would not be following the mandate of the constitution. Thinking aloud with you :) --Ram On 1/9/06, Roy, Santanu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One must recognize that all it takes for India to recognize the right to secede and a procedure for secession of states is to have a constitutional amendment. That's not very tough - its been done over 50 times. Now, one can rephrase the demand for referendum and right to secession as a demand for such a constitutional amendment. Is that unconstitutional? I mean, is it unconsitutional to demand an amendment to the constitution? I don't think so. Now, suppose a political party was floated in Assam that demanded an amendment to the constitution - in this instance, with particular reference to procedure for secession of Assam. Suppose it contested the election on that platform and won a strong majority of seats. Would that be almost equivalent to a preliminary vote on demand for self determination? I am just thinking aloud.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Chan MahantaSent: Tue 1/10/2006 12:30 PMTo: Malabika Brahma; assam@assamnet.orgSubject: Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbiciteChandan da thinks he is right.*** I am perfectly willing to SUBMIT to the will of the people of Assam, as expressed in a free and fair plebiscite. Heaven knows theyhave suffered enough.May be most of the people in Assam want seperation from India ormay be they don't.*** And if they had a shot at expressing themselves, AFTER they had an opportunity to EXAMINE the TRUTHS about their condition ( as thrua free and unfettered discussion/debate of all pertinent issues), ifthey choose to remain with India and share their dysfunctional stateof the state, so be it! I shall forever hold MY peace on that. And I salute YOU Utpal, for being able to think like that ( not thatI had a doubt).But can Ram? Can Rajen? Can Himen-da ? Can the so manyamongst us who sing the praises of democracy on the one hand, butshall not accord the same to the people of Assam, or of Kashmir?I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough toincorporate the "instrument of seccession"in the constitution. *** Me too. But we all know the reality.At 11:23 PM + 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma wrote:Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da or Mike daor my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what reallymatters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the peoplein Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't.There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a freeneutral environment and avoid all bloodshed.But somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moralcourage to face the free and fair ballot thatwould decide the fate of Assam or NE for that matter. Also the question is whetherpro-independence groups of NE have the moral courage face the same.I hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of seccession"in the constitution.Ut! pal Brahma http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/cars/*http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/Yahoo!Cars NEW - sell your car and br
Re: [Assam] What prevents India from holding a plesbicite
I will take it
Very simple.
Prove Ramda wrong and go for
plebiscite..
RB
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It's sheer hypocrisy on the part of India if it claims to be the
biggest democracy in the world and cannot hold a plebiscite in Assam,
NE or Kashmir. Ram da's argument is sheer balony.
Jugal -Original Message- From: Malabika Brahma
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To: Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:
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10 Jan 2006 03:01:42 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Assam] What prevents
India from holding a plesbicite What I typed
A nation can be mature only as much as its
population will allow it. Don't you think? The
nation can also me only as much mature as the framework will allow
it. What I meant was The
nation can also be only as much mature as the framework will allow
it.Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Ram da, That would
be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougher part would to
hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to
impossible to hold one. But peace itself has been
elusive and almost impossible to achive in Kashmir and Assam for last
27 years, isn't it? I think more than "impossible", it
is the question of gathering the required courage.
A nation can be mature only as much as its population
will allow it. Don't you think? The nation can
also me only as much mature as the framework will allow it.
Ram Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi
there Utpal, No, I don't think I am right all the time
-and am sure others think likewise.
There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free
neutral environment and avoid all bloodshed. That
would be the easy part (thinking about it) - but the tougher part would
to hold one at all. Whether its Kashmir or Assam, it is next to
impossible to hold one. Why do I say this: Whichever
side looses, they are going to claim there was widespread intimidation
etc, etc. Yes, one could say - get those international observers (Jimmy
Carter) to observe. But that is very unlikely. India will never submit
to that (claiming sovereignty issues). Add to
the equation, that many feel that Assam is filled up with illegal
Bangladeshis (and maybe even ISI agents). The question that comes to
mind is, if thats the situation (like Pakistanis in Kashmir), why would
we ever want to go for a plebicite of a population that would want to
merge with B'desh or Pakistan? About a plebicite being
bloodless - I seriously doubt if that will be be the turn of
events. I hope someday the nation called India
will be matured enough to incorporate the "instrument of
seccession" in the constitution. A nation can be
mature only as much as its population will allow it. Don't you
think? --Ram da
On 1/9/06, Malabika Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Chandan da thinks he is right. So does Rajen da or Ram da
or Mike da or my self. May be we all are right or may be not. It does
not matter what I or you feel (the elites of Assam) , what really
matters is what the people of Assam feel. May be most of the people in
Assam want seperation from India or may be they don't.
There is easy way to find out. Hold a plesbicite under a free neutral
environment and avoid all bloodshed. But
somehow I think the present form of GOI does not have the moral courage
to face the free and fair ballot that would decide the fate of Assam or
NE for that matter. Also the question is whether pro-independence
groups of NE have the moral courage face the same. I
hope someday the nation called India will be matured enough to
incorporate the "instrument of seccession" in the constitution.
Utpal Brahma Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell
your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search
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