Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Phillips

On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 15:02 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:

> 1,000,000/300 = many more moons than either of us will be alive. 

Well, actually its something like 7 years but I take your point. 

OK, you've convinced me.

Now all I have to do is work out how to install the thing from
the .img.tgz file. When I did tar -xvzf it extracted a load of smaller
files none of which I could use as the basis for a dd session. Perhaps I
didn't look hard enough?

Anyhow, all is working fine now so many thanks to all involved!

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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Darrick Hartman
Mark Phillips wrote:
> Are the system writes limited? Not if your system is actively doing
> voicemail etc and you have a pretty steady flow of calls coming and
> going. I get maybe 15-20 VM's a day and about 60 calls. My VM's produce
> 3 types of file as well as index's etc. When I delete the message at
> least 4 writes happen for a total of getting on for 300 writes a day.
> And that's just the ones I know about. What about my other system users?
> 
> A CF card is only good for a few million writes.

1,000,000/300 = many more moons than either of us will be alive.  With 
wear leveling, the same sector isn't being written to each write.  The 
load is spread around.  You should get years of use out of a CF card the 
way Astlinux is configured.  If you're paranoid, change the card once a 
year.

> Before I get too committed to this line; I am right in thinking that the
> genunion is a replacement for the keydisk? If so then IMHO this is a
> step backwards.

You can use a keydisk AND unionfs partition if you so choose.  Nothing 
stopping you from doing so.

> The ability to pull a working USB stick and shove it into a replacement
> PBX has more value that I can measure. 

If you're paranoid, you'd be better off using rsync to copy the data on 
a regular basis.  You don't seem to be concerned about writes to your 
USB thumb drive.  That's going to fail well in advance of a good CF card.

> Mark 
> 
> Perhaps the speed isn't faster
> On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 13:29 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
>> Mark Phillips wrote:
>>> I think that the OS is NOT picking up the USB stick for it's own use. 
>>>
>>> I'll try the /dev/hda approach rather than /dev/sda but I thought the
>>> whole point of using s CF card and USB combo was that the CF card was
>>> write cycle limited as well as pretty slow.
>>>
>> You really think that a USB drive is going to be faster?  The number of 
>> writes that make it to a CF card are somewhat limited.  I would be 
>> surprised if you got less than several years of use from a Sandisk CF 
>> card of reasonable size (1GB or larger).  With the wear leveling 
>> mechanisms, you should be good covered for a much longer period.  There 
>> was some discussion about this on the Soekris mailing list late last 
>> week or early this week--it all blends together these days.
>>
>> With the runnix/unionfs model you should be fine with the one device. 
>> The OS upgrade was the biggest reason for using two devices in the past. 
>>   By removing the 'dd' install method and only requiring copying a few 
>> files to the 'os' directory, the unionfs (and optionally keydisk) 
>> partitions can remain through upgrades without problem.
>>
>> Darrick
>>


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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Darrick Hartman
Mark Phillips wrote:
> I think that the OS is NOT picking up the USB stick for it's own use. 
> 
> I'll try the /dev/hda approach rather than /dev/sda but I thought the
> whole point of using s CF card and USB combo was that the CF card was
> write cycle limited as well as pretty slow.
> 

You really think that a USB drive is going to be faster?  The number of 
writes that make it to a CF card are somewhat limited.  I would be 
surprised if you got less than several years of use from a Sandisk CF 
card of reasonable size (1GB or larger).  With the wear leveling 
mechanisms, you should be good covered for a much longer period.  There 
was some discussion about this on the Soekris mailing list late last 
week or early this week--it all blends together these days.

With the runnix/unionfs model you should be fine with the one device. 
The OS upgrade was the biggest reason for using two devices in the past. 
  By removing the 'dd' install method and only requiring copying a few 
files to the 'os' directory, the unionfs (and optionally keydisk) 
partitions can remain through upgrades without problem.

Darrick


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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Michael Keuter
>Well, so much for USB support in the NET4801.
>
>The stick is detected on boot up but not mounted.
>
>If I unplug it and then plug it back in after bootup when the system is
>running then it gets detected and mounted as /dev/sda1. However, this
>still doesn't allow me to make any writes other than directly
>to /dev/sda1's files via the command prompt.
>
>Obviously I can't be re-plugging the USB stick every time there's a
>power cut.
>
>Mark
>
>
>On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 10:41 -0400, Mark Phillips wrote:
>>  I think that the OS is NOT picking up the USB stick for it's own use.
>>
>>  I'll try the /dev/hda approach rather than /dev/sda but I thought the
>>  whole point of using s CF card and USB combo was that the CF card was
>>  write cycle limited as well as pretty slow.
>>
>>  Have I spotted an "undocumented feature" here?
>>
>>  Mark
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:20 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
>>  > Mark,
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Mark Phillips wrote:
>>  > > Hi Darrick,
>>  > >
>>  > > Yes, I have rebooted a number of times.
>>  > >
>>  > > I get this when I issue your command;
>>  > >
>>  > > pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
>>  > > findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
>>  > > pbx ~ #  
>>  > >
>>  > > I'm running a 1gb CF card and a 512mb USB stick in a NET4801.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > If findfs wasn't able to find the label, it's not going to mount your
>>  > unionfs partition.
>>  >
>>  > Are you certain that you rebooted after creating the unionfs partition?
>>  >   (ie fdisk /dev/hda ; create new partition bla bla reboot)
>  > >
>  > > Then after rebooting 'genunion /dev/hda2'
>  > >
>  > > I don't know how well the usb thumb drive will work for the unionfs
>  > > partition.  I haven't tested it.  If you have a 1GB CF card, you have a
>>  > large amount of space available on that card for your unionfs partition.
>>  >   I strongly recommend using that and not using the usb thumb drive.
>>  >
>>  > > The genunion script appears to run correctly. It doesn't bail out with
>>  > > any errors or bitch about things it can't find.
>>  > >
>>  > > With the "old" 0.4 images etc one had to choose from a menu at boot time
>>  > > which told Astlinux what partitions to use for what purposes. I don't
>>  > > see this menu anymore. Should there be one?
>>  >
>>  > With new images, the initrd is able to auto detect the unionfs and key
>>  > disk (if present) partitions based on the file system labels.  These are
>>  > then mounted at boot time.
>>  >
>>  > Darrick
>>  >
>>  > > On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 08:55 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
>>  > >> Mark Phillips wrote:
>>  > >>> OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I 
>>can't get it to
>>  > >>> write anything down.
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>> I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
>>  > >>> anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). 
>>Whenever I try to
>>  > >>> change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>> Writes through the web interface fail also.
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>> As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
>>  > >>> that it's a work in progress.
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>> Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>> Thanks
>>  > >>>
>>  > >>> Mark
>>  > >>>
>>  > >> Mark,
>>  > >>
>>  > >> Have you rebooted since running genunion?
>>  > >>
>>  > >> To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do 
>>the following:
>>  > >>
>>  > >> findfs LABEL=asturw
>>  > >>
>>  > >> If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't
>>  > >> have a unionfs partition.
>>  > >>
>>  > >> Darrick
>>  >
>--
>
>
>
>Mark Phillips, G7LTT/NI2O
>Randolph, NJ

I had to do "tune2fs -L ASTURW /dev/hda2" on my net4801 to set the 
volume label.

Michael

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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Phillips
Well, so much for USB support in the NET4801.

The stick is detected on boot up but not mounted.

If I unplug it and then plug it back in after bootup when the system is
running then it gets detected and mounted as /dev/sda1. However, this
still doesn't allow me to make any writes other than directly
to /dev/sda1's files via the command prompt.

Obviously I can't be re-plugging the USB stick every time there's a
power cut.

Mark


On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 10:41 -0400, Mark Phillips wrote:
> I think that the OS is NOT picking up the USB stick for it's own use. 
> 
> I'll try the /dev/hda approach rather than /dev/sda but I thought the
> whole point of using s CF card and USB combo was that the CF card was
> write cycle limited as well as pretty slow.
> 
> Have I spotted an "undocumented feature" here?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:20 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
> > Mark,
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Phillips wrote:
> > > Hi Darrick,
> > > 
> > > Yes, I have rebooted a number of times.
> > > 
> > > I get this when I issue your command;
> > > 
> > > pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
> > > findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
> > > pbx ~ #   
> > > 
> > > I'm running a 1gb CF card and a 512mb USB stick in a NET4801.
> > 
> > 
> > If findfs wasn't able to find the label, it's not going to mount your 
> > unionfs partition.
> > 
> > Are you certain that you rebooted after creating the unionfs partition? 
> >   (ie fdisk /dev/hda ; create new partition bla bla reboot)
> > 
> > Then after rebooting 'genunion /dev/hda2'
> > 
> > I don't know how well the usb thumb drive will work for the unionfs 
> > partition.  I haven't tested it.  If you have a 1GB CF card, you have a 
> > large amount of space available on that card for your unionfs partition. 
> >   I strongly recommend using that and not using the usb thumb drive.
> > 
> > > The genunion script appears to run correctly. It doesn't bail out with
> > > any errors or bitch about things it can't find.
> > > 
> > > With the "old" 0.4 images etc one had to choose from a menu at boot time
> > > which told Astlinux what partitions to use for what purposes. I don't
> > > see this menu anymore. Should there be one?
> > 
> > With new images, the initrd is able to auto detect the unionfs and key 
> > disk (if present) partitions based on the file system labels.  These are 
> > then mounted at boot time.
> > 
> > Darrick
> > 
> > > On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 08:55 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
> > >> Mark Phillips wrote:
> > >>> OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
> > >>> write anything down.
> > >>>
> > >>> I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
> > >>> anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
> > >>> change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
> > >>>
> > >>> Writes through the web interface fail also.
> > >>>
> > >>> As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
> > >>> that it's a work in progress.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> Mark
> > >>>
> > >> Mark,
> > >>
> > >> Have you rebooted since running genunion?
> > >>
> > >> To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do the 
> > >> following:
> > >>
> > >> findfs LABEL=asturw
> > >>
> > >> If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't 
> > >> have a unionfs partition.
> > >>
> > >> Darrick
> > 
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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Phillips
I think that the OS is NOT picking up the USB stick for it's own use. 

I'll try the /dev/hda approach rather than /dev/sda but I thought the
whole point of using s CF card and USB combo was that the CF card was
write cycle limited as well as pretty slow.

Have I spotted an "undocumented feature" here?

Mark


On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 09:20 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> 
> Mark Phillips wrote:
> > Hi Darrick,
> > 
> > Yes, I have rebooted a number of times.
> > 
> > I get this when I issue your command;
> > 
> > pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
> > findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
> > pbx ~ #   
> > 
> > I'm running a 1gb CF card and a 512mb USB stick in a NET4801.
> 
> 
> If findfs wasn't able to find the label, it's not going to mount your 
> unionfs partition.
> 
> Are you certain that you rebooted after creating the unionfs partition? 
>   (ie fdisk /dev/hda ; create new partition bla bla reboot)
> 
> Then after rebooting 'genunion /dev/hda2'
> 
> I don't know how well the usb thumb drive will work for the unionfs 
> partition.  I haven't tested it.  If you have a 1GB CF card, you have a 
> large amount of space available on that card for your unionfs partition. 
>   I strongly recommend using that and not using the usb thumb drive.
> 
> > The genunion script appears to run correctly. It doesn't bail out with
> > any errors or bitch about things it can't find.
> > 
> > With the "old" 0.4 images etc one had to choose from a menu at boot time
> > which told Astlinux what partitions to use for what purposes. I don't
> > see this menu anymore. Should there be one?
> 
> With new images, the initrd is able to auto detect the unionfs and key 
> disk (if present) partitions based on the file system labels.  These are 
> then mounted at boot time.
> 
> Darrick
> 
> > On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 08:55 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
> >> Mark Phillips wrote:
> >>> OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
> >>> write anything down.
> >>>
> >>> I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
> >>> anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
> >>> change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
> >>>
> >>> Writes through the web interface fail also.
> >>>
> >>> As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
> >>> that it's a work in progress.
> >>>
> >>> Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> Have you rebooted since running genunion?
> >>
> >> To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do the following:
> >>
> >> findfs LABEL=asturw
> >>
> >> If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't 
> >> have a unionfs partition.
> >>
> >> Darrick
> 
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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Phillips
I've just rebooted for the n'th time and careful scrolling back through
the screen buffer shows the USB stick gets detected but somehow it's not
mounted. Oddly though it works in other machines.

I'm gonna try a different stick.

Mark


On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 10:10 -0400, Mark Phillips wrote:
> Hi Darrick,
> 
> Yes, I have rebooted a number of times.
> 
> I get this when I issue your command;
> 
> pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
> findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
> pbx ~ #   
> 
> I'm running a 1gb CF card and a 512mb USB stick in a NET4801.
> 
> The genunion script appears to run correctly. It doesn't bail out with
> any errors or bitch about things it can't find.
> 
> With the "old" 0.4 images etc one had to choose from a menu at boot time
> which told Astlinux what partitions to use for what purposes. I don't
> see this menu anymore. Should there be one?
> 
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 08:55 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
> > Mark Phillips wrote:
> > > OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
> > > write anything down.
> > > 
> > > I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
> > > anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
> > > change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
> > > 
> > > Writes through the web interface fail also.
> > > 
> > > As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
> > > that it's a work in progress.
> > > 
> > > Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
> > > 
> > > Thanks
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
> > 
> > Mark,
> > 
> > Have you rebooted since running genunion?
> > 
> > To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do the following:
> > 
> > findfs LABEL=asturw
> > 
> > If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't 
> > have a unionfs partition.
> > 
> > Darrick
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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Lonnie Abelbeck

On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Mark Phillips wrote:

> pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
> findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
> pbx ~ #

Try:

pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=ASTURW

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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Darrick Hartman
Mark,


Mark Phillips wrote:
> Hi Darrick,
> 
> Yes, I have rebooted a number of times.
> 
> I get this when I issue your command;
> 
> pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
> findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
> pbx ~ #   
> 
> I'm running a 1gb CF card and a 512mb USB stick in a NET4801.


If findfs wasn't able to find the label, it's not going to mount your 
unionfs partition.

Are you certain that you rebooted after creating the unionfs partition? 
  (ie fdisk /dev/hda ; create new partition bla bla reboot)

Then after rebooting 'genunion /dev/hda2'

I don't know how well the usb thumb drive will work for the unionfs 
partition.  I haven't tested it.  If you have a 1GB CF card, you have a 
large amount of space available on that card for your unionfs partition. 
  I strongly recommend using that and not using the usb thumb drive.

> The genunion script appears to run correctly. It doesn't bail out with
> any errors or bitch about things it can't find.
> 
> With the "old" 0.4 images etc one had to choose from a menu at boot time
> which told Astlinux what partitions to use for what purposes. I don't
> see this menu anymore. Should there be one?

With new images, the initrd is able to auto detect the unionfs and key 
disk (if present) partitions based on the file system labels.  These are 
then mounted at boot time.

Darrick

> On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 08:55 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
>> Mark Phillips wrote:
>>> OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
>>> write anything down.
>>>
>>> I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
>>> anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
>>> change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
>>>
>>> Writes through the web interface fail also.
>>>
>>> As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
>>> that it's a work in progress.
>>>
>>> Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Have you rebooted since running genunion?
>>
>> To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do the following:
>>
>> findfs LABEL=asturw
>>
>> If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't 
>> have a unionfs partition.
>>
>> Darrick


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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Phillips
Hi Darrick,

Yes, I have rebooted a number of times.

I get this when I issue your command;

pbx ~ # findfs LABEL=asturw
findfs: Unable to resolve 'LABEL=asturw'
pbx ~ #   

I'm running a 1gb CF card and a 512mb USB stick in a NET4801.

The genunion script appears to run correctly. It doesn't bail out with
any errors or bitch about things it can't find.

With the "old" 0.4 images etc one had to choose from a menu at boot time
which told Astlinux what partitions to use for what purposes. I don't
see this menu anymore. Should there be one?


Mark




On Tue, 2008-10-14 at 08:55 -0500, Darrick Hartman wrote:
> Mark Phillips wrote:
> > OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
> > write anything down.
> > 
> > I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
> > anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
> > change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
> > 
> > Writes through the web interface fail also.
> > 
> > As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
> > that it's a work in progress.
> > 
> > Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Have you rebooted since running genunion?
> 
> To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do the following:
> 
> findfs LABEL=asturw
> 
> If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't 
> have a unionfs partition.
> 
> Darrick
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Re: [Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Darrick Hartman
Mark Phillips wrote:
> OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
> write anything down.
> 
> I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
> anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
> change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.
> 
> Writes through the web interface fail also.
> 
> As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
> that it's a work in progress.
> 
> Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 

Mark,

Have you rebooted since running genunion?

To make sure the unionfs partition was created properly, do the following:

findfs LABEL=asturw

If you're not getting a partition as a result of that query, you don't 
have a unionfs partition.

Darrick

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[Astlinux-users] 0.6.1 won't allow me to write anything

2008-10-14 Thread Mark Phillips
OK, I have runnix installed and also AstLinux too but I can't get it to
write anything down.

I've run genunion and it makes a keydisk of sorts but doesn't mount it
anywhere so as to write to it (that I can see anyhow). Whenever I try to
change the root password it fails to write to /etc/shadow.

Writes through the web interface fail also.

As far as I can see I've gone through the entire howto-ish. I realise
that it's a work in progress.

Any help etc would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Mark

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