Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. hahahaha! Thanks, @Mayana, post 26. A post like this has a way of letting me know I can honestly still look forward to the rest of the day and put a smile on it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552200/#p552200 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. @Nocturnus Ffs, this is not your fault at all. Despite what some people here think, leaving topics are very common on forums. Watch any forum for a while, and you'll see one. Granted, they may be more common on more tight-knit communities like this one, because on huge forums if someone posted a topic like this, people would just be like "Uh ... OK? Who the hell are you anyway, and why should we care?" But even there, they are a thing.So trust me, you do not need to blame yourself for people's hunger for attention. Blame human nature for that. People screamed at the sky they were leaving long before you came along,. I bet some caveman wrote it onto a wall somewhere. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552158/#p552158 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I blame myself. I started a topic that I honestly thought was going to contain my last post about 2 years ago and, uh, I think that kind of set the dominos in motion. I won't blame myself entirely because people have to be responsible for actually creating a topic of this caliber, but I do think I sort of started the stupid trend.and the reason I started it was entirely different to why most of the people who have done it recently are doing it, but the general idea was that I honestly thought that my speaking out against the way situations were being handled at the time by the moderation panel and doing it publicly was going to result in my being banned or at the very least told to be quiet and deal. If either had happened I never would have come back. Instead, I received a huge show of support and even had mods reach out to me and tell me they wanted me to come back even if only as a user that helped out sort of behind the scenes. I did. I think that sort of sent the wrong message which was that if you want to gain attention all you need to do is create a goodbye topic. The sad thing is, that it's working, because even negative attention is still attention.What I'd like to point out is that, if anyone does decide to read the topic for any reason I honestly didn't write it as an attention grab... I wrote it because I honestly felt everything within it needed said and aired out. Ever since then though, I've seen a huge spike in topic creation where everyone wants to garner that same level of attention by doing the same thing even if they go about it in a different way. One reputable member did it and he made a 50something post topic, so now we should try it if we just feel down in the dumps and need a little ego boost. My advice to you? Stop it! Negative attention may be attention, but particularly later on in life, that's not the kind of attention you're going to wish you had gotten. You will regret it, even if you don't think you will. Want proof? Look at this post. I wasn't even after attention, and my having gotten it because of a similar topic has resulted in a bunch of pointless topics like this one! I regret it, but looking back I honestly don't know what else I could have said or how else I could have said it to get my point across concisely. That and, I was working on less than a desirable amount of sleep when I wrote out that topic and chose to throw myself into the investigation regarding it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552116/#p552116 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. @9 it happens so much that South Park had made a whole episode out of it.It would be nice if this forum software was current and users could actually delete their own accounts on here. This way if you want to leave, just hit delete account. Done. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/552042/#p552042 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I am quite an old member of this forum but this trend of "I am leaving" topics seems to have emerged not too long ago. I've seen many people leave in the past two years and imo they leave because the community is becomming more toxic and immature as the time passes. The fact that rules are stricter and stricter doesn't help at all, it just encourages people to find other ways of avoiding them in order to seem cool.I might be old school but I see the forum as a place to talk about common interests, a place where I can help and be helped by others and a place where I feel free to talk about my gaming hobby. My life isn't a part of this forum and the forum doesn't take a big part of my time. If I'll be leaving one day probably nobody would know it or even care, and it's completely fine on my part. The ones who want to find me already know how and the ones who don't, well, let's say they don't need to find me.The problem with these topics is that they make you to come back not leave because instead of leaving the original posters come back to check the replies and people's reactions to their leaving. I see it more as a mean of asking for attention and compassion than really wanting to leave. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551919/#p551919 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. It isn’t making the announcement that is toxic. It is how the OP does it. And this guy handled and composed himself correctly and respectfully. Even if it isn’t his true feelings, he didn’t bring out the teargas. Of course don’t feel like you should lie but keep yourself calm or at least reasonable. Anyway good on you for opening the topic in the right way rtt. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551910/#p551910 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I get where you're coming from Ironcross, as we aren't an actual family, so that's a good point. But at the same time, quite a lot of us have made friendships here or we just enjoy each other's company, and sometimes I do worry if I haven't seen some members for a while.See, I think the reason I think like that is because I'm a bit of an extravert and love socializing when I can. I'm the kind of guy that, if you put me in a bar with a karaoke machine, and it's got songs that I love, my word I'm going to try and go for it. Not to impress everyone in the room/be the best there is, but just for the sheer joy of it. If I can make one person happy, I've done what I wanted to do.I like to try to spread positivity if I can. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551681/#p551681 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : RTT entertainment via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Hi guys.I understand where you're coming from.I just felt it would be the right thing to do just so that people know where I am and why I'm gone.Originally I was going to be gone for a shorter while, but something happend today that will ensure my staying away for much longer.@19, thanks for the support, I didn't really think people enjoyed those tracks.If and when I get back I'll be releasing some more. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551527/#p551527 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Damn. No more eight bit tracks? Sigh. RTT do whatcha godda do my boy. Just stay safe, and keep a cool head. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551520/#p551520 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-12
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Hey that's kinda cold. I mean by that logic why should people here turn to one another for support when a pandemic kills physical social interaction for them? But they do. The least we can do is extend some measure of courtesy towards each other. If we are not a family, why should we care if some random kid we never met before on the other side of the world gets bullied? But we do, because morality dictates that we at least try to show some measure of kindness towards one another, because the hurt we see inflicted on others bothers us, and the hurt we have experienced we do not wish on others. If every man and woman on this forum was only looking out for themselves, we wouldn't have a forum. I think it's ok to announce if you're gonna leave, even give a reason or two, just don't fart on the way out, because that just pisses people off. And in fact, there are people who care enough to wonder where people go, myself included. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551508/#p551508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I don't, if you're going to leave, just leave. We're not a family, this is a forum, if you don't see someone, it's not like you wonder if they're OK. I don't see how courtesy plays a part. All the I'm leaving topics do is open up to a bunch of bullshit. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551501/#p551501 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I actually feel like it's more logical and makes more sense if someone posts that they're leaving. It shows courtesy and provides a heads up that OK, you might not see this or that person around here for a while.If I was to leave, I would definitely post something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551471/#p551471 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I didn't read the later posts but@1 I don't understand why you want to declare you want to leave. You wanna leave? Tell it to your close friends, sure, but posting such topics don't make sence, neither does it contribute to anything.Goodbye to you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551463/#p551463 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Liam wrote:Okay. Bye.lmao yes totaly, yes byceriously i you gonna leave, dont say it, just leave, because when ever someone does this, the zombie rises from the dead again URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551381/#p551381 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. sad to se you go URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551347/#p551347 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Good protection here. Sure, the topic title says you're leaving, but the first post says that actually, you aren't leaving, just ... posting a little less. So, that can't even be proven wrong, unless you now go on a massive posting spree, because we don't have exact statistics of how often you usually post.I can't even use my usual comment of "As has been proven time and time again, those who post a leaving topic pretty much never leave", because you aren't leaving at all. Well, damn.Well, good luck with your slow reduction of the dosing of this forum drug. May it prove successful. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551344/#p551344 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. mostly agree with at1Hope to see you again in this forum URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551340/#p551340 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now. @9 Happens in other places too, like twitter, and youtube, and not among blind people exclusively, but the story is mirrored accross all. Environment becomes too toxic around the individual, so they decide that it is in their best interest to leave, and announce it to everyone. And I dont blame them, to be honest, with the amount of toxicity going around. I would go too, but I'm generally good at keeping a cool head on these things and keep most people at arms length so I dont catch too much heat. People say something because they want to let those who care know so they don't worry. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551305/#p551305 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now. @9 Happens in other places too, like twitter, and youtube, and not among blind people exclusively, but the story is mirrored accross all. Environment becomes too toxic around the individual, so they decide that it is in their best interest to leave, and announce it to everyone. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551305/#p551305 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now. @9 Happens in other places too, like twitter, and youtube, and not among blind people exclusively, but the story is mirrored accross all. Environment becomes too toxic around the individual, so they decide that it is in their best interest to leave. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551305/#p551305 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I agree with what post 5 said, I don't know why people need to announce when they're leaving, must be a blind community thing, because I don't see it anywhere else.Normally people just take a break, at least, that's what I would do if I decided to take a break from any online community.Will people notice? maybe, maybe not. For me it doesn't matter.The people I talk to know how to reach me, and if they don't, they can find someone who might be willing to pass on a message. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551302/#p551302 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. All are correct here. If you don't like a person that posts/creates a topic, just ignore it and don't cause any mysterious fights. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551298/#p551298 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : KenshiraTheTrinity via Audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now. If I may just put in my 2 cents worth, I think the rise of cancel culture is partially responsible for this rise in hostility. People are less tolerant now than they used to be, and they want things done their way or nothing at all. No middle ground, no compromise, no acceptance of the occasional and inevitable loss or disagreements that come sometimes. But those differences and disagreements is what makes us human, and we've simply forgotten how to cope with it. This isnt something exclusive to the blind community, not at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551296/#p551296 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Yeah, if you don't like someones posts/topics, just ignore them. It's there business, not yours. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551294/#p551294 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. Okay. Bye. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551290/#p551290 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. There's just more discontent because what? Blind people have to follow these rule things? What are rules anyways? ma audio description! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551289/#p551289 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I've been around a very very long time, and I've got news. There isn't more drama than there used to be, just more mod hating for some reason I can't fathom. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551254/#p551254 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving, for now.
Re: I'm leaving, for now. I really don't understand the point of drama or whatever you wanna call it on this forum. That's so easy to ignore a post or topic if it doesn't mention you. I can somehow understand where you see a topic where racist or offencive comments are left, and it's more than normal to provoke a reaction, but I don't know for real what would cost to someone to draw away when they see two people argueing on something that is utterly their business.For instance, if I see a topic where one claims that all members of this community are dumb, unfriendly, lazy, and boring, normally I would leave a comment on why that claim is not true. Of course I dont feel I am dumb and lazy and that's what provokes a reaction on my side. However, if I see two people argueing on why JAWS is better than NVDA or why one uses iPhone and the other Android, it's definitely not my business. The least and the most I could do is to report the topic if that exceeds some boundaries, but I won't comment on something that is not of my concern. Honestly I have many more things to do offline than persuade someone on here why something is as it is or is not as it is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551247/#p551247 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
I'm leaving, for now.
2020-07-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — Off-topic room : RTT entertainment via Audiogames-reflector
I'm leaving, for now. Hi guys.So, I've been dreading the moment that would make me finally decide to hang up my coat and hat.I joined this forum in the summer of 2014, just before I was due to go off to boarding school.This account was with me through what was probably the worst period of my life.Throughout all the constant misery, one of the few things I could look forward to was checking this forum.It was one of my only links to the outside world, from which I was removed for three torturous months at a time.I would always find some new discussions and games to make the wait worth my while.I've been here for six years.I've matured from a young boy to almost a man, almost.Many of my greatest memories lie in these bits and bites, ones and zeros, whatever you wanna call them.However, the recent downward trend has made me consider leaving.I've seen many good members of this community go before me, and it was a matter of time before I new I'd have to do the same thing.When I look at what has become of this great forum, I feel sorry for what it has become.I think of the good old days of 14 and 15, and being able to post and get a friendly reply 90 percent of the time.I remember seeing members of this community help each other in times of need, gaming or otherwise.Where is that now?Not to say that doesn't happen anymore, but there never used to be so much drama.I won't be participating in topics as much, if at all.I won't be gone for ever, just for the foreseeable future.I might post occasionally, but I won't be very active.I ask you to please not remove my account, because I might yet return.I've made a lot of great friends in the community.I'll still be talking to you guys.If anyone I know would like my contact details, please send me a forum email.Anyway, I'm not gone for ever, I'll still be hangin around.Thanks for everything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/551237/#p551237 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Or if worse comes to worse, do as Quannin says and start from scratch on another site. I mean, if you think about it, if it came down to that, we could back up the database entries into text files, come up with our own systems and go from there. Issue: we'd lose all of the forum discussions that ever took place. It would be like starting from absolute scratch on the forum front, probably. We're talking almost two decades worth now. This version of the forum started in 2005. It's now 2020. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/502141/#p502141 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : mechaSkyGuardian via Audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Based on what I’ve seen over the past two years if I were them I would just stop paying for it and watch the forum go down. Just my opinion URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501954/#p501954 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : Jaidon Of the Caribbean via Audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? I mean, when did I ever do that?Simba, I'm sorry you feel that way. I think if you met me in person you wouldn't think that way. I try relly hard not to come across in that mannor. Still though, you constantly act like all my posts are just the ramblings of a 2 year old. Even Jayd, has admitted i say some intelligent things. Do I post childish and immature shitty posts, yes I do. Are all my posts like that? Hell no. And I still want to know, why do you think I'm dim-witted? Do you think its because you're older? Had a girl who you really loved,then lost her? When to all sorts of parties, drank alchahol and had a hangover the next day? Going to a job interview, having to full out a job application and a resume and the hr officer says, You start on Monday, in a German accent?Where was I going with all that? Do you think all kids are idiotic fools who are incapable of simple tasks? Well, if you don't like me because of that, I'm sorry for your own kids. Hell, I'm sorry for you, because at one point, you were one as well. And this is my longest post. Wow. I think you're the only person on this forum who so strongly dislikes me and only sees the bad side. I know a lot of you dislike me but even the others still see the good. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501840/#p501840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — Site and forum feedback : quanin via Audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? @26: I've offered to host site, forums and all, on a few different occasions if the people responsible for doing so were too busy to do so. They're too busy for that as well, it would seem. This place is lucky no one with either the means or the will to cause an actual problem cares about it. It's a security incident waiting to happen. As in, I sincerely hope no one here uses their AG password anywhere else, even if that password is 40 characters long. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501849/#p501849 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Oh for heaven's sake. Don't drag drama in here.No, the Dark situation was and is no different. I don't care if he was head mod. I don't care if it was a big scandal. Because that's not all there is to it. Yes, it was scandalous, and yes, it was a problem, but many of you folks were like vultures on a corpse. Gleeful vultures. It was pretty disgusting to watch you systematically tear apart someone who, despite that mistake and a few others, had generally served the community well. That was what sparked us as a team to try and ask you to calm it down for awhile. It wasn't that we wanted you not to think or say bad things about Dark. We realized that plenty of outrage was understandable. The fact is, we wanted to minimize the damage and the echo-chamber atmosphere, because such things tend to run away with themselves and result in people posting things they're going to have a hard time taking back later. We tried asking you not to talk about it for a bit, and the forum lost its ever-loving mind over it.So we learned a lesson. The forum can't handle it when we lock threads, so generally we don't unless we absolutely must.Haily's leaving, and other people, will go away on its own. Hell, Sam's thread was considerably worse, and if any of you would care to look, we were talking about shutting that down, but several of you got very angry just at the prospect. Now, we didn't lock that thread, don't think. It eventually petered out on its own, though it got far bigger and more heated than it needed to. Haily's thread, just by comparison, is less than half the size, and already appears to be dying, which, in my opinion, is a good thing.So...yeah. With Liam here. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501844/#p501844 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-16
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Nev, the web masters say their busy people. So, thus, they are not available to do stuff. At least they pay for the sighte. Thank god. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501841/#p501841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-16
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? I mean, when did I ever do that? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501840/#p501840 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Hi.@14 ok, the thing I have against yu?you are an anoying little brad who's nothing better to do than to lurk around the forums, anoy the hel out of 90 percent of active forum members, starts up random topics and always plays the, this is not what it sounded like card, seams that you like to hide your personal attacks and random bullshit behind your, oh, it's just satire atitude.You are just some dimwhitted kid who really should be gone again.There, you asked, you got your answer.Greetings Moritz URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501768/#p501768 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Pretty ridiculous how the webmmasters don't even respond to something regarding their own website. If they were gonna abandon it, they should've handed the server credentials or whatever to someone trustworthy URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501723/#p501723 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Hi.@21 yeah that would be a good idea, thing is, the webmasters who could put this in aren't really responsive to put it lightly so I think we can wait millennia for this.At Jayde yes, i get your point in beeing hesitant to close topics so quickly, but I would rate the Dark and this situation abit differently.With dark, this was an all out forum skandal, with Dark beeing the head mod for more than a decade at that point.This one here is just plain atention seeking and drama starting topic madness which, at least in my opinion doesn't hold any value to be honest. Looking at the off topic room right now, this beeing 5:03 o clock UTC plus 1 central european time, we have 5 topics sitting on the first page which are either "I'm leaving" or the unteenth apologys threat.This for me again brings in the outside representation we discussed in another topic a few days ago, if developers for example the mess that this comunity is in currently, I don't think that their interet in the blind comunity is suddenly not there anymore.I'm not starting to star a flame war against the mods, this is jjust my opinion and how I see things.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501715/#p501715 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? This is why I feel that those who can't make up their mind should just be allowed to duke it out. If only a hide topics feature could be added to the forum... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501706/#p501706 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Its like I say. we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.if we lock a thread we're apparently limiting people's free speech, but then if we don't lock a thread we're apparently not controlling flame wars. GRRR. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501700/#p501700 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? @18 I agree. I'll even admit I'm guilty of jumping on threads when I see a bullshit post, so tp speak. I'm not really down with the idea of just straight up "locking" stuff. I'm sure it's difficult for you guys to manage it all because no matter how good or cool lots of people in here are, it's always the loud assholes that create reasons for new rules to be put in place that may inadvertently affect the rest of us in a negative way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501699/#p501699 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Funny thing is, if I'd stepped in and locked that thread far earlier, I bet some of you would be angry that I was taking away your freedom of speech.Ever since we locked threads regarding the whole Dark situation, when people were just feeding the fire and generally spitting on the guy, and that resulted in a shitstorm, we've definitely been more hesitant about doing so again, largely because the community has proven that it can't handle being told to stay out/stop talking about something. It gets all twisted up and suddenly becomes a free-speech issue.So yes, we do lock stuff when it is needed, but not without very good reason.And I just want you folks to be aware, for some of you at least, that when you're asking for us to lock a thread, what you're really saying isn't that you want the people wishing to leave to be silenced and denied the drama. You're also trying to get us to protect you from yourselves. Here's a novel idea. The next time you see a thread where someone is leaving, whether they're doing it courteously or not, just nope the hell out and go do something else? Because yes, part of the problem is definitely people who want attention or can't seem to make up their mind. But I'd argue that a greater part of the problem are the people who can't let shit go and can't depart without getting the last word.So yeah. I'm not really taking this too seriously at this point. How about using your freedom of speech and protecting yourselves from yourselves a little. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501693/#p501693 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? @15 Well, no offense, but where are the head admins anyway? It's not me trying to be a prick, I'm just asking. Because it's not march of '05 anymore URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501682/#p501682 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? @14 I wouldn't keep that signature my dude, you sound like the exact opposite as you're saying. A dead giveaway is that it's your signature. Just some friendly advice. You're a little younger too. Chill out and relax a bit, man URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501681/#p501681 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? The problem with that Nev is the mods don't really have access to the pannel to add new features. The head Admins made things a bit complicated, otherwise this forum would have as much features as punBB supports. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501673/#p501673 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Yo simba!Take a look at my new signature! Yes I've posted in those topics, but I only post in them because I see bullshit posts, like you claim post 6 is.Dont you think I'm fully aware that I posted in that topic? Do you think I have short memory or do you think I'm just so illiterate and childish I forgot?Why do you lways discredit me? What have I done to you in the past Simba? I like it when people tell me what I done to them and their reasons for not liking me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501672/#p501672 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? What about a "hide topics" feature? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501657/#p501657 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Hi.Take it with a grain of satire, but what if we would use the purge model? One day of the year it's no holds bard rule free action on here so the kids can power themselves out, the rest of the 364 days of the year, it's zero tolerance.Back to the serious part, I also agree that closing those topics would be a good idea, generally a quicker reply of the mods regarding possibly flame topics would be quite nice to see.I get their point, better wait up and see if the flames cool down, but in the time I've been on the forum and looked over those topics, I did notice that this was never the case and topics had to be eventually closed anyway.So, possibly replying and closing down topics would help matters as well.Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501634/#p501634 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Jaidon Of the Caribbean wrote:You know a good idea wwwhich I think will chang the entire forum?Just don't post in shitty topics like that.Dude, you posted in said topics yourself, including Hailys topic. If you can't even stick to your own principals, than post 6 is just garbage.greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501627/#p501627 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? I think in 90% of cases insta-banning shit that some people may not like is just a bad idea. Because then if it becomes a rule and someone genuinely has something constructive to say, they still "technically broke a rule." Which is stupid IMO. Problem is we can't have a completely drama free forum without some zero-tolerance stuff and I don't know if that's a slope we should go down.. We should just stop feeding the negativity, that way people can call attention to themselves and get it. And I say "we" including me because I, like some other on here i'm sure, have a low patience level for stupid bullshit, and sometimes, we try too hard to reason with people that don't have logic and reason anyway. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501623/#p501623 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? I think in 90% of cases insta-banning shit that some people may not like is just a bad idea. Because then if it becomes a rule and someone genuinely has something constructive to say, they still "technically broke a rule." Which is stupid IMO. Problem is we can't have a completely drama free forum without some zero-tolerance stuff and I don't know if that's a slope we should go down.. We should just stop feeding the negativity, that way people can call attention to themselves and get it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501623/#p501623 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? i agree with the last 2 here URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501569/#p501569 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Agree with Nev. Brad's post wasnt nearly as bad as haily's. Although Haily's topic was caused after the kettle overheated and reach 159 degrees C. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501553/#p501553 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? There was one very level-headed one I saw a while back from someone, what was his name? Brad? I think he personally was fine and he doesn't deserve insta-lock. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501543/#p501543 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? You know a good idea wwwhich I think will chang the entire forum?Just don't post in shitty topics like that. I know I caused a good bit of shit, not as much in the Sam tupy topic, but I was still very vocal. Lets just not put Pitch Oil on the fire. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501542/#p501542 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? Depends on the nature of the post imo. "HALEY's" post could definitely be instalocked as it's very self-serving, she was supposed to leave but is still posting in there. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501520/#p501520 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? The mods will never go for it. it seems as they don't like drastic measures. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501497/#p501497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? As much as I'm for it, the mods will neverr go for it. They don't like to sensor topics, but they sensor links to helpful programmes and other stuff. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501497/#p501497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? IMO, any topics that are obviously going to turn into something should get deleted as soon as they're found. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501422/#p501422 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
2020-02-15
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Re: insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? agreed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501413/#p501413 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics?
insta closing of i'm leaving for now topics? everyone knows that all of them are ending with aprox 2 3 warning per topic and constant streams of toxic environment so why dont we avoid that one as a whole, warn those people that opens that sort of topic, if you want to leave, just fuck off in my apinion noone needs to know about itthey will figure it out sune bye themselves URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/501412/#p501412 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving for now
2019-10-21
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Re: I'm leaving for now Sam,I wish you the best. Thank you for all the games! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469816/#p469816 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving for now
Re: I'm leaving for now Hi so this is sad that sam is leaving for now. Remember the guy danny standley left the forum. because of lack of management and other stuff. well I am not blaiming sam and other people for the lack of management but here is the thing. When you creat the game you should have a proper planning and proper self councilling about the roadmap. I advice that do not take any action before the self analysis and mentorship from these incidents you should inspire your self that you should not be a part of clone. I know that ultra power has a unique concept which was exciting that's why everyone want to make it and develope it as if their own game. well in the bottom line I can say that stay safe and be happy and try to move on and yes This topic should be closed. ThanksIshan URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/469809/#p469809 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now @1 I am sorry that you are leaving this forum. I really liked your games. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464735/#p464735 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving for now
Re: I'm leaving for now If somebody is trying to get their family to get them into counseling, you have to consider the facts. All too often I’ve seen situations where the family is mentally abusive, so logically they would not put their daughter/son/wife/husband/whoever into counseling, because they don’t want to pose the risk of their family member snitching on them to their counselor and possibly having higher powers getting involved. Unfortunately there are tons of people I know who have been in abusive relationships, whether it be from family or spouse, physical mental or both. It’s a sad situation to witness. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464676/#p464676 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now I don't believe in fundamental "good" and "evil". I feel that a lot of choices boil down to temperament, tolerance and tendency. Put another way, you'll act in the way you think is best. If you're generally kind-hearted, you'll try and reflect that on others. If you're selfish but not mean-spirited, you are likely to choose your own happiness first without specifically trying to hurt others. If you're shortsighted or stubborn, you may act impulsively or out of anger without considering consequences, or you might have difficulty considering a point of view that isn't yours. Or if you're mentally unbalanced, psychopathic, sociopathic, or just a straight-up mean person, you may do things without caring, or having the capacity to care, about the harm that is done. I don't really believe there is such a thing as "evil" in this sense. I don't believe there's anyone out there who is perfectly sane in every other way, but just generally wants to visit misery on the world. Take the most sadistic serial killer, rapist or whatnot that you can think of; I practically guarantee that they're broken in some way. That doesn't make them evil. But it also doesn't mean I'm going to hand-wave their actions. Believe me, I'm not. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464667/#p464667 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving for now
Re: I'm leaving for now And when the wolf killed everyone, it was not his fault, but the boy's. The boy was responsible for pulling their guard down and leading to their destruction. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464658/#p464658 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving for now
Re: I'm leaving for now At this point it’s boy who cried wolf. We never know when he is serious. If ever. It’s like an abusive partner or parent telling the victim they love them. Each time it is said, it becomes less believable.But some people don’t believe pure evil exists.Pause.I am not saying Mason is at all. This point I am about to talk about is outside the scope of this situation.There is such a thing as pure evil. I’ve seen a case or 2 of it.There isn’t good in all people. Sorry Jade. I know you don’t want to hear that. But pure evil is a thing.This had nothing to do with mason. But boy who cried wolf is URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464640/#p464640 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now If Mason makes an honest-to-god effort to straighten himself out, then we'll see what happens. I'm not going to guess whether or not he'll do this. Either he will or he won't. I'm not going to help him, but I'm not going to kick him if he's down either. If there is honest effort made, then I'm apt to soften my stance somewhat. Everyone can turn it around eventually; you'd have to be pretty far gone indeed to test that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464587/#p464587 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: I'm leaving for now
Re: I'm leaving for now Yeah, no one is gonna literally sit here and say Sam didn't fuck up in the past, but he's trying to fix that now. Part of that is to realize what is unhealthy for him, and right now, that's the forum. I don't see how he could be blamed for stepping back from it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464574/#p464574 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now So I think the major difference between Sma and Mason is that Sam has owned up to his actions and is actively trying to improve. His choice to try to make things better is to step back from the forum. At the end of the day, talk is cheap and actions speak way louder than words. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464555/#p464555 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now That's the saddest trombone I've ever heard. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464554/#p464554 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now As long as he doesn’t pass those handles through any functions.Sorry. I had to URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464546/#p464546 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now From what I hear, people have tried to do more for him and he just snaps and flies off the handle at them. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464536/#p464536 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Agreed on the asking-for-help bit.Yes, at the end of the day it is really ideal if you can find some way to own your behaviour, even if you're having trouble fixing it. But there's a good point to be made about the accessibility of help. It's very easy to say that so-and-so doesn't bother trying to get help, but what if they've tried and they had a bad experience? If you're saying they should just get back on the horse and try again...yes, in a perfect world, that's what should happen. But that can be harder to do than you might realize.Now again, is it our problem if you (general you here) can't or won't get the help you need? No, it's not. But sometimes it's definitely more than just a flat refusal to own the issue. Sometimes all the genuine good will in the world isn't enough. You need money or resources you just don't have, or you're living with people who are actively unsupportive, or who say stupid shit like "well just eat better and you'll feel better". Because diet does have an effect on mental health, but eating well won't cure clinical depression, bipolar disorder or any of half a hundred other psychiatric conditions. Therapy is usually needed, and medication is often (though not always) needed.So this is where I come back to the "stand aside" comment. It's well and good to not want to help, and it's understandable if you don't want to hear more excuses. And some people really and truly don't expend much effort trying to fix their problems. But those people are actually pretty rare; there are usually complications involved, and it's all too easy to think you know a situation when you don't. It might be advisable to avoid talking about a person should just get on and do things, or insinuating that a person is a waste of time for not meeting your arbitrary standards on this point. Again, you don't have to deal with it, maybe, but you also don't have to make the situation any harder. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464535/#p464535 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now We're not not excepting that Mason reacts differently, just viewing his reactions negatively. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464520/#p464520 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Zarvox wrote:Half the people who need help don't try to get help. They don't ask their families to setup appointments. They don't google a place in their area that can help counsel them. They don't apply for an app like better help.The big issue I have heard multiple times around the U.S. is that some families won't offer support for getting help because they, quote, don't believe in it, or what have you. That's not to say there aren't people who themselves aren't trying, just saying that if they can't get the money they need, it's typically a done deal. Even some of the *better* apps require an expensive fee to get going (Talkspace is I believe $100). IN those kinds of situations, they have a bit more leverage if they're 18, but if they are under age, you can basically consider it end of discussion when it comes to trying to deal with close-mindedness. And some people heavily stigmatize Go Fund Me-ers for whatever reason when what it's really doing is putting into perspective the bullshit that is corporate America leaving those who can't afford such important help/medical needs high and dry.Just some food for thought. most people who refuse help are not doing it out of their own accord.Also the situation may or may not be different for those outside the U.S., my guess is that it probably is. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464514/#p464514 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Zarvox wrote:Half the people who need help don't try to get help. They don't ask their families to setup appointments. They don't google a place in their area that can help counsel them. They don't apply for an app like better help.I have heard multiple times that some families won't offer support for getting help because they, quote, don't believe in it, or what have you. That's not to say there aren't people who themselves aren't trying, just saying that if they can't get the money they need, it's typically a done deal. Even some of the *better* apps require a fee to get going. IN those kinds of situations, they have a bit more leverage if they're 18, but if they are under age, you can basically consider it end of discussion when it comes to trying to deal with close-mindedness. And some people heavily stigmatize Go Fund Me-ers for whatever reason when what it's really doing is putting into perspective the bullshit that is corporate America leaving those who can't afford such important stuff high and dry.Just some food for thought. most people who refuse help are not doing it out of their own accord. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464514/#p464514 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now I don't see how any of this makes Sam an issue, at this point anyway. No one's saying he's -always been blameless - no one is ever a hundred percent blameless, in my experience - but regardless of who reacted to whom, it's clear that Sam simply said enough is enough.Yeah. I'm generally completely in agreement with Liam here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464497/#p464497 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Of course, that's true and sad at the same time. But none of them are innocent. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464492/#p464492 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now He reacts by doing more harm. Look at how he reacted to Sam leaving. He still put up ultra power.However, Sam could have made this topic after mason put ultra power up. This could have been the final straw for Sam. Both of these seem pretty solid answers.Did mason react to Sam, or did Sam react to mason? Either way, mason definitely did the more wrong of the 2 here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464489/#p464489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now He reacts by doing more harm. Look at how he reacted to Sam leaving. He still put up ultra power. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464489/#p464489 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Agreed. And not to defend Mason, but many posts earlier, someone claimed that everyone reacts differently. Someone said it to defend Sam. But why doesn't this same thing apply to Mason too? He is also a person after all, even if he made a lot of stupid and idiotic things. Because we all know that he indeed di a lot of harm. But why can't we accept that he also can react differently? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464484/#p464484 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Half the people who need help don't try to get help. They don't ask their families to setup appointments. They don't google a place in their area that can help counsel them. They don't apply for an app like better help.The really sad situations is people admitting they need help but don't do a thing about it. They think they can just pick it up instantly, with the same methods. Coming to the forum is not the solution for everyone.Remember months ago when I posted lots of topics about having trouble accepting blindness? Well it is thanks to the people of this forum, for helping me out majorly with that. I have made a huge improvement on this mission. And I want to thank all of you who participated in those discussions, giving advice, bringing humor, and even those who gave the hard cold truth that I need to suck it up. It all helped.But what works for me can't work with everyone. Mason thinks differently, reacts to emotions differently, and has different passions and determination, and uses it in entirely different ways. He has come to this forum several times asking for help, either legit thinking it will, or thinking he can handle this on a low level rather than confessing he needs a higher level of help. Or, he does it on purpose so he can say he did something and it just didn't work, manipulation!But the dude needs counseling. I'm not willing to do it. I'm not even willing to tell him. It has to be 5 or 10 of his closest to tell him, at the perfect time, for him to consider it for 10 seconds. I'm not one of those closest, I'm not going to bother. If you are and you want to go for it, do whatever you please. Don't be surprised at the result. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464478/#p464478 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now I agree that it's not our job to care for those with mental ilness, but at the same time there has to come a point where we say. Okay. Look. Obviously something is wrong, and you need to hopefully get the help you need. But does that then still mean we excuse their behavior? to that I say no. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464441/#p464441 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now We, as individuals, are never forced to care for people who are going through mental illness of some kind. If you've been spit on one too many times, you're free to walk.All I really ask of people is that they not make the problem worse. Turn your back if it's for your own good, but don't then backstab or get vengeance or whatever.If Mason is also having mental health issues, he has my sympathies for that alone, and I hope he gets the help he needs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464434/#p464434 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now As for the mental health issue, I get it too. I'm not a delusional narcissist like people would like to think, and I'm not an entitled brat. I can see where Sam is coming from. I've been pushed to that point a couple of times myself. We all make stupid decisions, stupid mistakes, and that kind of thing, but do we all continue to be hated for them years later? I've had some issues with several of you during a bad time, but do you see me at your throats? Yes, I get a little testy, or sometimes a lot testy, when you decide to bring that into the public. If you don't like me, please keep it in your diary or something. Chances are I already know that. A few years back, a lot of things in my life went nutty at once, and it pushed me way over the edge. As a sophomore in high school, I dealt with it the best way I could. Now I'm in my fifth semester of college, so that tells you guys how much time has passed since all of that happened. The point of all of this is everyone has problems, and it's up to each person how to handle them, so lighten up and don't be judgmental of something the person with the problem did to deal with it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464433/#p464433 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now @302 better late than never URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464408/#p464408 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now It honestly is draining to be someone's support system. The more friends you have, you may need to take on this role more often. it's not an infinite resource. Being there for someone is something that takes effort to do, which is why some people can't or won't do it. That's why there are different callibers of friends. If you have someone in your life who wants to get shit from you, but every time you try to hang out or make plans to do something, they ghost you, that's a shitty friend.Mason's actions don't make it easy for people to be his friend. That, combined with the emotional draining effect you get when you're constantly someone's rock, makes it harder still. So now we start looking at motives. Why are people going to hang out with someone like Mason. He's a toxic person, and he'll drain you dry. So, it begs the question.To me, the answer is simple. What are they getting out of it. For them, they just have to pretend to care, and they might get any number of goodies. Admin status on his games, help with a map or something, or maybe even help with code. I don't know all the things he does, but let's say there are things that might be worth the hassle.He can also be fun when he's in a good mood, so there's that. It's not constantly a drag being around him. You just have to navigate the eddies and currents of his bad temper, emotional instability, and poor impulse control. If you can do that, and stroke his ego at the same time, you have yourself a line to whatever he will provide. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464404/#p464404 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Reading through this topic was allot of things.Confusing, frustrating, intriguing, educational, sad, but most of all stupid.It's like one of those families that's full of passionate people, so arguments are explosive and grief is devistating, but they still need each other so the bonds are strong regardless.Nothing else I could say hasn't been said already. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464402/#p464402 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now This thread made me a little emotional. But it also made me realize what I'm doing is very wrong by playing these cloned games. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464378/#p464378 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now One thing I wanted to say, since the topic of mental illness and depression has been prevalent in this topic. May be a bit of a text wall, but hey ya know.Were I not his friend, I'd feel strongly sympathetic for Sam upon seeing this post. I have witnessed over the years - not as a friend, but as a fellow forum member and gamer - Sam developing games, making some stupid mistake as a kid that caused his sources to be leaked, and trying to make sure they don't spread. He's however not perfect, having carried out a couple actions in particular a couple years back that would be considered annoying in the least, pretty fucked up in the worst.Now as someone who knows him very well, I constantly see Sam from day to day trying to improve himself. Even when his depression was really bad though, he helped many people - with money, coding, security, and... believe it or not even life advice. Of all the times I've asked him to help, he's done so readily and without request for compensation. And believe me, he's helped me with a *lot* of stuff.So I feel bad for him both as a witness, and a friend to his situation.Some may recall the days when Danny, another former game developer, left the community. He posted similarly about being/feeling depressed. I did not have the same reaction, despite the fact that at one point, Danny helped me as much and in some ways more than Sam does at this point, him being my only friend at one time. I ridiculed him, and I did so quite persistently - because of his actions: blaming the community, faulty game development + superiority complex, unwillingness to change, selfish thinking, and a tendency to screw people over. Now I've compared 2 people who both were or are my friends, have helped me a lot, etc, to attempt to clear the air that my feelings and actions in these situations are not necessarily swayed by how a person has treated just *me*.So now, let's go to a stranger to me in terms of friendship, Mason. I was never Mason's friend over the years - I didn't always dislike him, but we never talked enough to call one another friend. In my opinion a friend is someone you know and talk to, not someone you say hi to in passing, and that's all Mason was. However, reading Mason's posts here, and recently, and having followed him on Twitter and seen his posts there, I don't feel bad for him, similarly to how I don't feel bad for Danny any longer and haven't for 2 years. Here's why: In my opinion, we cannot prove there is a God, simulation, ultimate judge, fate, what have you. We have no proof that someone is deciding moral wrong and right in our world aside from one another. Therefore, to me, you are in control of your actions and feelings - and other people are in control of how they respond to how you treat them. If you were insane and killed someone in someone else's family, now a days they wouldn't kill you because the legal justice system which attempts to maintain order will punish you for your crime. By living in our society, the person who's relative you killed has agreed to abide by the law and let it serve justice on their behalf rather than carrying out the action themselves, because unless they are a radical anarchist they believe that such a system maintains order and control, and is currently the most fair way we can do so. If they then agree to that and decide to enact revenge on you, or take their pain out on someone else, they've now committed a whole new, unrelated act of injustice - one that we just try to relate to "your" actions because had you not done it, they would not have reacted that way. However, they did react that way.I know that Mason has not killed anyone, and that anything he did was not near as serious. I am however comparing cutie oranges to massive oranges, not oranges to apples. I do not know how bad Mason's depression is or even if he has depression, but I can only go on the fact that he does because he's said he does and that's all the viable proof I have. However, I am choosing not to feel in the least bit bad for him because like Danny, he has done bad things in the name of this "depression." He's back stabbed his friends, he's gone against their wishes, he's shat on the audio gaming community numerous times, and he's gone back on his word just as many. Some may say he has no obligation to uphold his word, but then other people have no obligation to feel sympathy and or respect for him. And that's just the beauty of individuality.He, like Danny, chose to react in a negative way towards people who never wronged him, in the name of actions that other unrelated people and situations have done/caused. I can shout abuses at a hammer all night long and it's not going to jump off the desk and bash a hole in the wall in anger - because unlike a human, it can't.I see him having mental breakdowns sometimes and most of the time, I scroll past it. If it's long and detailed and takes more than a second to scroll
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Re: I'm leaving for now One thing I wanted to say, since the topic of mental illness and depression has been prevalent in this topic. May be a bit of a text wall, but hey ya know.Were I not his friend, I'd feel strongly sympathetic for Sam upon seeing this post. I have witnessed over the years - not as a friend, but as a fellow forum member and gamer - Sam developing games, making some stupid mistake as a kid that caused his sources to be leaked, and trying to make sure they don't spread. He's however not perfect, having carried out a couple actions in particular a couple years back that would be considered annoying in the least, pretty fucked up in the worst.Now as someone who knows him very well, I constantly see Sam from day to day trying to improve himself. Even when his depression was really bad though, he helped many people - with money, coding, security, and... believe it or not even life advice. Of all the times I've asked him to help, he's done so readily and without request for compensation. And believe me, he's helped me with a *lot* of stuff.So I feel bad for him both as a witness, and a friend to his situation.Some may recall the days when Danny, another former game developer, left the community. He posted similarly about being/feeling depressed. I did not have the same reaction, despite the fact that at one point, Danny helped me as much and in some ways more than Sam does at this point, him being my only friend at one time. I ridiculed him, and I did so quite persistently - because of his actions: blaming the community, faulty game development + superiority complex, unwillingness to change, selfish thinking, and a tendency to screw people over. Now I've compared 2 people who both were or are my friends, have helped me a lot, etc, to attempt to clear the air that my feelings and actions in these situations are not necessarily swayed by how a person has treated just *me*.So now, let's go to a stranger to me in terms of friendship, Mason. I was never Mason's friend over the years - I didn't always dislike him, but we never talked enough to call one another friend. In my opinion a friend is someone you know and talk to, not someone you say hi to in passing, and that's all Mason was. However, reading Mason's posts here, and recently, and having followed him on Twitter and seen his posts there, I don't feel bad for him, similarly to how I don't feel bad for Danny any longer and haven't for 2 years. Here's why: In my opinion, we cannot prove there is a God, simulation, ultimate judge, fate, what have you. We have no proof that someone is deciding moral wrong and right in our world aside from one another. Therefore, to me, you are in control of your actions and feelings - and other people are in control of how they respond to how you treat them. If you were insane and killed someone in someone else's family, now a days they wouldn't kill you because the legal justice system which attempts to maintain order will punish you for your crime. By living in our society, the person who's relative you killed has agreed to abide by the law and let it serve justice on their behalf rather than carrying out the action themselves, because unless they are a radical anarchist they believe that such a system maintains order and control, and is currently the most fair way we can do so. If they then agree to that and decide to enact revenge on you, or take their pain out on someone else, they've now committed a whole new, unrelated act of injustice - one that we just try to relate to "your" actions because had you not done it, they would not have reacted that way. However, they did react that way.I know that Mason has not killed anyone, and that anything he did was not near as serious. I am however comparing cutie oranges to massive oranges, not oranges to apples. I do not know how bad Mason's depression is or even if he has depression, but I can only go on the fact that he does because he's said he does and that's all the viable proof I have. However, I am choosing not to feel in the least bit bad for him because like Danny, he has done bad things in the name of this "depression." He's back stabbed his friends, he's gone against their wishes, he's shat on the audio gaming community numerous times, and he's gone back on his word just as many. Some may say he has no obligation to uphold his word, but then other people have no obligation to feel sympathy and or respect for him. And that's just the beauty of individuality.He, like Danny, chose to react in a negative way towards people who never wronged him, in the name of actions that other unrelated people and situations have done/caused. I can shout abuses at a hammer all night long and it's not going to jump off the desk and bash a hole in the wall in anger - because unlike a human, it can't.I see him having mental breakdowns sometimes and most of the time, I scroll past it. If it's long and detailed and takes more than a second to scroll
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Re: I'm leaving for now Other planets. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464358/#p464358 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Where did the other 3 tests happen. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464349/#p464349 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Nice to see Senderman active. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464338/#p464338 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now OK, let me see here. Don don is stupid, hilly gal is crooked, and jonsey boy is insane. what's that make. Crinsanipid, stupsanitook, crookpinsane... haha URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464329/#p464329 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: I'm leaving for now Yeah he needs to leave. Donald trump, alex jones, and hillary clenton all combined would make a better game developer than him. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/464318/#p464318 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
